them and start speaking to him. that would be a tremendous help to the police. and my experiences maybe they ll go down that road. we will see if this thing ends hopefully within the next few hours with no and injured. remember he said over and over again i don t see my kids hurt, i do not want to hurt anybody. one who may convince him to follow through by not hurting anyone are his family members, the ones that he loves. arthel: we do not know, perhaps, steve he has a cell phone with him perhaps he has heard from his family members, we do not know that. i think you agree with danny colson, ted williams, negotiators who want this hostage taker to know his life does matter. they do want him to come out of the situation alive. of course they want the hostages to come out alive and they want to sing to end peacefully. do you agree? one 100%. i like the way you framed that. his life doesn t matter to his