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for benjamin netanyahu. meanwhile, peace talks in israel are going on today without israel at the table. i'll talk to a top democrat from the house foreign affairs committee about that. also, in an 11th hour vote, undocumented kids crossing the border. what's in it, what's not? we've got the breakdown. also, the sweet tax. the new bill wants to tax sugary drinks and soda nationwide. i'll talk to the congresswoman who wrote that bill. >> i've just been a mess since all this happened. couldn't eat. couldn't sleep. wake up screaming. let him go. >> wii hearing from the family of a man who died after an nypd police officer put him in a choke hold. the medical examiner rules the death a homicide. we'll have the latest on that investigation. meanwhile, good afternoon to you all. i'm t.j. holmes in today for mr. craig melvin. developing this hour, one of two americans who contracted the deadly ebola virus is now on u.s. soil and is in the care of doctors at emery university hospital in atlanta. the balance arrived there at emery. two people got out of the back. one of them be the doctor, the american, who is infected. nbc's sarah dollop is keeping an eye on all of this for us. what happens now? >> reporter: well, what happens now, t.j., is that doctors are evaluating doctor brantley, kind of a twist there for the doctor who had pledged his life to be a medical missionary down there in liberia. right now, they need to assess his condition. we were all very surprised when we actually saw him walk out of the balance, assisted by a medical professional. they were both clad in the protective suits that nobody expected for him to walk out of that balance of his own volition. quite incredible after learning that his condition actually worsened about 48 hours ago. he's in this special isolated unit. doctors figuring out what they can do. there is no treatment. there is no cure for ebola. so they have to provide kind of supportive care. they have to figure out what his body needs in order to build the antibodies to fight ebola. that might mean fluids. that might mean monitoring his blood pressure. if things were to take a turn for the worse, they are prepared for dialysis or respirator. right now they are in the evaluation stage. the specialty unit is in one of these buildings behind me and it is actually sealed off from the rest of the hospital. it has its own laboratory, its own patient room, even its own filtration system to minimize the risk for the other patients and the general public. >> what do we know about the other american, when she might be returning to the united states as well? >> reporter: she will return some time during the week of august third. that begins tomorrow. that plane that delivered dr. brantley can only hole one person at a time. it was on the ground for such a short time today, really enough time to drop him off, refuel, and then it was back on its way. it will return to liberia, get her, bring her back to atlanta, and the same process, to bring her here to emery university hospital. her family just released a statement saying that they are thankful for the safe transfer of dr. brantley and that they are praying right now for his full recovery. >> thank you so much. i want to bring in an assistant professor of infectious diseases at boston university medical school, and also will be traveling to sierra leone next week to learn more about the ebola virus. thank you so much for being here. i'm not seeing the doctor yet. i do want to confirm we do have her. there she is. thank you so much for being here. we were all surprised to see the doctor walk off that balance. should we have been surprised? were you surprised? >> you know, i was pleasantly surprised. as you know, this virus actually takes its toll at different rates on different people, but given the fact that you can see him walking means that his bin laden pressure -- his blood pre great and his vitals are great. >> maybe you feel the same way, we understand what you were saying. they were excited, that they would be excited to treat this type of patient. what does this mean? i guess history-making, if you will, to some degree. this is the first time someone who is known to have ebola has been in the united states and we're going to get a chance now to take a good look and learn a lot, are we not? >> yes. i should start by saying that the u.s. medical system and the public health system has seen a lot of highly communicable infections in the past. middle eastern respiratory syndrome virus and sars, but we've taken a lot of others as well, such as dengue. we have seen this disease before and have handled it with a history of safety, but not this sort of patients involved. but also the health care workers. when they're saying they're excited, it's because we're in an increasingly smaller world. never seen a patient, it only equips us better. >> help our viewers -- this is a very important question i wanted to ask you. there seems to be so much information and maybe some misinformation out there, exactly about ebola and whether it's airborne, which the cdc and other doctors will tell you it's not. but you have so many people out there who are now seeing this and it's in the united states, and they just have those fears, whether it's from hollywood and people have fears, or just not trusting the system, and just things happen. help us understand ebola and maybe even this particular strain of ebola. is there a threat or a chance or any possibility that this thing is airborne and can be passed the way we're used to seeing flu or cold passed around? >> so, i'm glad you mentioned the media component of this. ebola seems to incite this cultural anxiety in us. i do think some of that is what we see. it has been said many times before -- i'll say it again here -- the major form of transmission, the mode of transmission for ebola is close contact and bodily fluids. i think the reason there is this concern is it's in terms of how long it survives out of the body and how it mobilizes but says nothing about whether airborne is a mode of transmission. i can tell you that from what we know, that it is -- having a patient such as dr. brantley, it's of absolutely no threat to the general public. particularly when they're in such good hands as the people in emery. >> all right, doctor, we appreciate that answer. i know you'll be going to sierra leone, so good luck to you over there. we hope to talk to you when you get back. thanks so much. eight minutes past the hour. israel may be scaling back its operation in some parts of gaza. prime minister benjamin netanyahu will be making an announcement to that effect. we're expecting that at any moment, certainly within the hour, but it could happen at any moment. this is coming as israeli troops continue bombarding the southern gaza town in their search for the 23-year-old soldier believed to have been captured there. however, hamas says they believe that soldier was killed during an ambush. meanwhile, palestinian health officials say the death toll in gaza has topped 1,600 with more than 9,000 people wounded. nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel joining me now. what can we expect possibly in this announcement that could come at any moment? >> reporter: a lot of israelis are watching very closely. what we think might be said, and this is what we're being told by israeli officials, but we won't know until netanyahu actually speaks, that could come quite shortly, is that the prime minister is going to say that israel has been very successful in its mission to eliminate hamas's tunnels. that the mission to destroy hamas's tunnels, these are tunnels that are between the gaza strip, into israel, that hamas has used to launch attacks on the israeli communities, to try and kidnap soldiers and the tunnels that hamas has used quite effectively during this month-long fight. i think the prime minister is going to say that those tunnels have now been neutralized. the tunnel mission was what israel said this war was about. and once it says that it is finishing or has finished that tunnel mission that israeli troops can start to pull back from gaza, pull away from the border and it would mean a major dees ralaticalation of this fig. that's what we're expecting. >> if that's what we expect and that's what we hear, how will that message be received in gaza? >> reporter: it's going to be received with a mixed message here, frankly. hamas does not want the war to end this way. hamas has said it will not accept a unilateral move, an israeli pullback. hamas says it will continue to fight. it will continue to fire rockets, more than 3,000 rockets have been fired over the last month from gaza at israel. the vast majority of them missing, their targets being shot down. what hamas wants is a negotiated settlement. hamas wants a cease-feire deal. it doesn't want to just see israel saying we have finished our mission, we've destroyed the tunnels, our troops are now pulling back, and our mission is over. but i think that's probably what we're going to see. and we're also probably going to see threats from the israeli prime minister to hamas saying if the militants continue to fire rockets after our troops pull back, we will respond with heavy, perhaps even devastating force. and i think that's where this thing may be headed, israel saying it's finished its tunnel mission, it's pulling back, and with a threat that if hamas continues to fire rockets, it's not going to send in troops chasing after them, which has been quite costly for israel. israel has lost more than 60 troops and civilians in this fight, but it will fire on them with air power. >> richard engel for us in gaza. thank you so much. we will keep a watch on that announcement and bring you the latest as we get it here in just a few minutes. also coming up, the house dealing with the influx of undocumented kids crossing the border. why this was a futile exercise. also a little later, new york city tried to ban large sodas. remember that? 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of course, they have the right to protect themselves if rockets continue to be fired and their citizens continue to be threatened. but for the most part, if these tunnels are dismantled, what next in your opinion? >> i think it has to be coupled with the de militarization of gaza. hamas has been lobbying their missiles on israeli civilians, and no country -- and president obama has said that. we in the united states wouldn't tolerate it. no country can tolerate those kinds of attacks every single day. week, months, years against zil yans. -- civilians. it should also be noted that hamas is a terrorist organization. the fight is between israel and a terrorist organization which denies israel's right to exist, which wants to kill every israeli they can kill. no country could stand for that. so we hope that if israel is pulling back and that there will be some quiet, they'll also be some kind of a demilitarization so we don't have in six months, eight months, ten months the same thing starting all over again. >> there are some -- and "the washington post" was writing about this, that there are signs of some impatience. some growing frustration with israelis as the civilian casualties continue to mount. what is your take then, as palestinian officials reporting at least 1,600 casualties there in gaza. what would you say to the mounting casualties we have seen on the palestinian side, and i guess to the israelis and their responsible to protect at the pentagon, as officials at the pentagon put it, living up to the high standards of protecting innocent life. >> look, civilian casualties are horrific. it's terrible. innocent people shouldn't be killed. but i think you have to look at why that's happening. hamas uses the palestinians as human shields. they build their bomb factories and their missile launches in heavily, densely populated areas. even at the u.n. school, they found missiles three times or four times this past week there as well. so when you use your own people as human shields and then they get killed as a result, it's really kind of what my mother used to call crocodile tears. insincere tears, because you're the ones who put your own people in harm's way in the first place. i don't know what israel is supposed to do. if they want to weed out those rockets that are coming at them and their civilians are in close proximity, i think you blame the people who put those civilians in close proximity. israel gives phone calls, gives messages, drops notes and says we're going to bomb, we'll give you time to get out and leave. hamas tells the palestinian civilians to stay. so i think that they bear culpability. the house of representatives passed a resolution this week condemning hamas for using the palestinian people as human shields. and also, last night, we passed money replenishing the iron dome, which has saved countless israeli lives. >> and it sounds as if israel has no choice almost, but do they bear any responsibility for trying to be a little more -- taking a little more care in protecting innocent civilian life in your opinion? >> look, i think innocent civilian life should always be protected. but i think israel's got a right to defend itself and i think the hamas terrorist organization should stop using the palestinian people as human shields. this is not a fight between israel and palestinians. it's a fight between israel and a terrorist organization named hamas that denies israel's very right to watch. i don't know what else the israelis are supposed to do. >> i know we'll talk to you again. hopefully we'll get you again when you're back here in new york. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we're 20 minutes past the hour. still standing by expecting israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu to make an announcement that could come at any moment about the military operation under way in gaza. we will continue to monitor it, bring you the very latest, so stay here with us on a busy news weekend. is you. add vanishing deductible from nationwide insurance and get $100 off for every year of safe driving. which for you, shouldn't be a problem. just another way we put members first, because we don't have shareholders. join the nation. nationwide is on your side. now what if i told youok a hotel you can save up to 60%,me first. but you couldn't know the name until after you book? 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now that it is a homicide, that's probable cause for an arrest. >> he says that is all you need. what more do you need other than this m.e.'s report saying that this man's death was a homicide, and that it did not have to happen. came at the hands of this officer. they're making calls for the u.s. attorney and the district attorney to file charges in the case. now, it's beginning to be a procedural matter who's going to file, if indeed they're going to file. but as it stands right now, they have not filed. they have both met with the families, the u.s. attorney and the district attorney's office. so i expect to see something perhaps this week. in the meantime, the officer remains sort of off duty. he had to turn in his badge and gun. it was another officer that was reassigned. there was a lot of news about the four emergency medical workers who showed up who basically provided no medical care for him on the sidewalk there and essentially looked at him and checked him for a pulse but didn't do anything, no cpr, no oxygen, nothing. >> there were calls there certainly today for justice, which would mean an arrest. but also for policy changes. but it's against policy to put someone in a choke hold in the first place. so what policy changes could we be looking at? >> the police commissioner said he will absolutely retrain this police force on the use of force. and obviously the choke hold is not a part of the tactics that are approved by the department. a lot of departments across the country don't approve of that maneuver because it can lead to an unfortunate tragedy like this. the police union says that all of this could have been avoided had eric garner just simply complied with the officer's instruction, taken the arrest, and peacefully gone off with the officers. obviously that didn't happen. >> nbc's ron mott on the story for us. good to have you here. coming up on the bo bottom of the hour. benjamin netanyahu addressing the nation. a soldier believed to be captured in gaza. he's saying israel has nothing against the citizens of gaza. its battle is with hamas. we will continue to monitor this news conference. it's in hebrew. we'll translate it as quickly as we get it. meantime, coming up, preventing infant mortality with something that looks like a plastic bag. or big idea coming up. also -- >> i'm going to have to act alone because we don't have enough resources. we've already been pretty clear, we've run out of money. >> obama rolls out the rules to congress. we'll tell you what that republicans did in response. that is next. it's scary. little bit in my eye. 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both of these have no chance of going anywhere. let me head over to the white house. nbc white house correspondent kristen welker joins me now. hello to you and what's the president to do now? >> hi, t.j. president obama has been talking with some of his constituent groups about what to do next. he's prepared to take unilateral action when it comes to immigration reform. based on my conversations with senior administration officials, he is still on track to do that. and we know thatted a vo ka adv been encouraging him to go big. i'm told he's not shying away from that option. among the options he's considering, potentially granting legal protection for those who are here, and who have very close relations with u.s. citizens. those who don't have any type of criminal history. and that could impact a broad swath of those who are here illegally, as many as 5 million people, that's the number that "the washington post" is reporting, although nbc news has not independently confirmed that number. if president obama does announce any type of executive action that is broad and that is big, that will certainly anger republicans already. they are saying he doesn't have the authority to do that. of course, some democrats who are facing tough re-election battles like mary landrieu in louisiana has expressed concern about president obama going too big in terms of an executive action on immigration reform. but based on my conversations with democrats, they say that any political fallout would be minimal. they believe this would be a win for them, not just in 2014, but looking ahead to 2016, they think that it would be something that would be good for them. at least if president obama did take some type of broad action on immigration reform. t.j.? >> nbc's kristen welker for us at the white house. thank you so much. i want to turn now to "washington post" white house reporter david nakamura and jonathan allen. david, let me start with you. yes, they passed a bill, the republicans did, which probably isn't going to go anywhere. let's listen to the president one more time from his press conference yesterday. >> house republicans suggested that since they don't expect to actually pass a bill that i can sign, that i actually should go ahead and act on my own to solve the problem. keep in mind, that just a few days earlier, they voted to sue me for acting on my own, and then when they couldn't pass the bill yesterday, they put out a statement suggesting i should act on my own, because they couldn't pass a bill. >> david, have they left the man a choice? >> what you saw from the president yesterday was an aggressive move to sort of set up over the next five weeks the groundwork for the white house to roll out some time after the summer this idea that kristen welker just talked about, which is to sort of go bigger on executive action, on immigration. i think that would do two things. one, the president says we have to deal with this crisis on the border and congress did not agree on a final funding bill, so i'm going to devote more resources toward that. at the same time, i'm going to answer concerns of those undocumented ee eed immigrantse been here and law-abiding. i'm going to maybe allow them to work and pay taxes legally, at least temporarily, while we sort of shift our focus elsewhere on the current crisis. so i think the president was really trying to put the blame on the house, say i tried to work with you the past year on broader reforms. you couldn't even come with a bill to address the current crisis. i have to work on my own and i think that's what you're going to see the president do in the fall. >> "the wall street journal" editorial called this another spectacle for the republicans. also, this was the latest immigration debacle. just how bad of a look is this for the gop right now? >> it's terrible. i think what house republicans had wanted to do was send a message on immigration to at least make an argument for their view of things, and because it took them an extra day to get it done, it became clear that they don't have a singular message. that the president is going to use this to lay the groundwork for aggressive sweeping action, probably give a lot of work permits to undocumented workers who are already here. i think he wanted to do that before. but now house republicans have given him the excuse that he was looking for. i think, you know, they're playing to their base in a lot of these house districts at the expense of their ability to put together a national program that is appealing to hispanic voters down the road. >> let's listen in here to luis gutierrez. this was yesterday. >> it is though the republican caucus that began to reach out after the 2012 november debacle as we re-elected president barack obama, and they said we need to do something different. we need to reach out to that latino community. we need to sensitize ourselves to their need. it's as though they have amnesia and have forgotten and have abandoned that road. >> is there a clearer signal now to how this is going to play out, now that everybody is going back home to tear districts for the summer? >> if you talk about advocates, labor unions, all those folks pushing the white house to move forward on immigration reform as aggressively as they can, i think they're just going to keep pushing that message. the republicans, i think they're not going to be talking much about imgrimigration other than say this border crisis is the president's fault and this shows the border is not the cure. i think that's a common theme among conservatives who believe that strongly. but i think going forward, there's this idea that in the midterms, the immigration is not going to help democrats that much in these state where is there's competitive senate races. but as jonathan said, looking forward to 2015 and 2016, republicans i think have really squandered an opportunity to get past immigration as a major issue and you're going to see it as a big issue in the campaign, especially on the democratic side, as they really sort of try to galvanize their base. >> last thing to you here. we did have a breakdown from our nbc political editor about just how ineffective this congress has been, on track to be one of the least productive in modern history. but also this week, they were able to pass the v.a. reform bill and also the temporary highway funding bill. they passed those two bills and those were pretty popular measures. should we give them credit for doing to some great degree the easy part politically, which was pass two things that everybody could agree on? >> these are the things that they couldn't leave town without doing. they had to do a highway bill or that funding would have run out. these are mom and apple pie issues from the perspective of the public, so i guess you give him a little bit of credit for not defying what all of their constituents wanted them to do. they can uniformly agree to do a few things. they did funding for iron dome in israel. they are able to do a few things, but they're not able to do much, and i don't think this week was one of the most stellar in congressional history by any stretch. >> i'd like to talk to you soon and maybe we can -- you can point me to the weeks that were stellar for this congress. >> back a few years. >> jonathan allen, david nakamura. gentlemen, thank you both. i'll see you again soon. we are 20 of the top of the hour. time to flash back. it was 24 years ago today when iraq invaded kuwait. that invasion led to the gulf war. at the time, saddam hussein was president of iraq. he made the call to invade his country's tiny oil rich neighbor. five days later, president george h.w. bush ordered american troops to the persian gulf as part of operation desert shield. five months after that, after hussein ignored a deadline to remove his forces from kuwait, a massive u.s.-led international offensive known as operation desert storm was launched to free kuwait. here's how our nbc news crews covered the invasion. >> at this hour, iraq remains in firm control of the tiny oil-rich country of kuwait and there is no indication that those iraqi troops, some 100,000 of them, will be leaving soon. they invaded kuwait last night united states time in the middle of the night, kuwaiti time and they have taken control of that tiny country which was not prepared to defend itself. it only has about 20,000 troops altogether. it's about the size of new jersey. and iraq, a battle-tested country led by a man by the name of saddam hussein. he has grand designs for his own personal empire, and of course, he badly needs the oil revenue of that country. toaster strudel! best morning ever! 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>> if 48-hour window around the time of birth is when mothers and babies are most vulnerable. around the world, about 150,000 women die in childbirth each year. and 1.6 million newborns die. and most of those are in the developing countries, countries that lack access to reliable sources of electricity. they don't have access to trained and skilled health providers. so they don't have all the modern amenities that we have in our hospitals here today. we need new solutions. >> how could this cut down on some of those deaths at birth, this particular device? >> obstructive labor is definitely one of the causes of maternal mortality and could also cause problems for new bor borns. this actually is a replacement for something like the forceps. we've had this around for hundreds of years. what this actually does, it's really low-cost, simple device. very easy to use. actually, my 11-year-old daughter demoed it yesterday. so you don't need extensive training to be able to use it. >> how does it work? tell me what i'm looking at here. >> this is a double sleeve plastic sheet. you use an inserter device. and it inserts through the birth canal, and basically forms a little nice balloon around the baby's head. and i will try to demo it for you here from this angle. you gently pool. we've got a little balloon. we release the air. and then, you just gently pull. and the baby's head comes out of the birth canal. >> has this been demonstrated and used for a live birth that we know of yet? >> i believe it's been used in some clinical trials so far on healthy births. they're testing it in argentina and also south africa. so right now it has to go through clinical testing. but it certainly has a lot of promise for use in the developing world. but also use in the developed world. it could be a nice alternative. >> we do know that you handed out 30 more grants to folks who are working on this same type of thing, which is trying to cut down on those mortality rates at birth. so maybe we'll come back and you'll show us another device. the odon is today's big idea. thank you so much for this. >> great, thank you. >> if you have a big idea out there, we want you to let us know about it. you can let us know via twitter, or you can e-mail us at bigidea.msnbs@nbcuni.com. a new bill wants to tax the makers of sodas, sports drinks and certain juices. the congresswoman who's behind the bill asks about how it will work, and what it's meant to do. television announcer: mattress discounters' $197 mattress sale $197 mattress sale is ending sunday. bulldog: mattress discounters' $197 mattress sale! television announcer: that means sunday is your last chance to get a serta mattress any size, for just $197 each piece when you buy the complete set. bulldog: any size mattress - twin, full, queen, or king - for one low price! and they'll deliver it free. television announcer: the $197 mattress sale... bulldog: oh boy! television announcer: ...ends sunday. ♪ mattress discounters remember when the big apple tried to ban sugary sodas? a new house bill calls for a tax on sugary drinks. the legislation would charge manufacturers are penny per teaspoon of sugar and other high caloric sweeteners. it's meant to combat the country's obesity crisis. but the american beverage association is pushing back saying this is an old idea that just does not work. joining me now, the congresswoman behind the bill. thank you so much for being here. how are you going to keep this from being passed on to me? i don't want to pay any more for my drinks. >> well, got to take that up with the beverage association. they don't have to pass it on. but they will. but look, you said it very accurately. we have a very serious dual crisis in public health today. one is obesity. the other is diabetes. we're looking at about almost 35% of adults who are obese, 70% of kids. our children, the numbers have tripled and quadrupled. what do we know? we know that sugar is a culprit. there is an enormous volume, if you will, of scientific research and data that shows how sugar is correlated to diabetes. and we have to address it in some way, and the same way we dealt with the public health problem with tobacco. >> but is part of your objective to get those companies to pass along an increase to the consumer because you're hoping that consumers, if they don't want to pay any more for it, maybe they will cut down. >> what i want to do is deter consumption of sugary beverages. as we found with tobacco, with the increased cost, that consumption is down. it has been very successful in the cessation of smoking. and we know what a crisis that was in public health, and similar to that, this is what we're looking at here. so yes, what we want to do is to put, you know, a dent in that consumption of sugar. in an effort to deal with a public health crisis. what we will do, the money will go to the public health prevention fund, which will take a look at freetreatment, preven, research, nutrition education, etc., so it's put to good use and the deterrence and prevention. >> the beverage association, as you know -- i'm sure you've been hearing from them. they responded and said this is an old idea that has gotten no traction before. what's different about your bill that's been tried before? is there anything different? or is this just a new effort? >> well, i'm not sure that i -- you know, i expect the beverage industry to do precisely what it is doing. i think what we're looking at today is this very serious public health crisis. american heart association has come out in support of this in addition to a number of health organizations. because they're on the front lines. they realize what's happening out there. we also have a much greater awareness in the public today of nutrition. and health. so if you combine the two pieces, public health and a greater awareness, i think that there's every opportunity to move forward. you know, look, about a number of years ago, i proposed a menu labeling. let's put the calories on menu boards. at that time, i was regarded as the crazy aunt in the attic. and now we know that it's the law of the land. it is part of the affordable care act. >> well, congresswoman -- >> we will have the calories on the board and we are beginning to deter the use of sugar. >> i have to leave it there. hope to have you back. i know this debate is not over about this particular legislation. thank you, so, so much. we're going to have a live update on our breaking news out of israel. stay with us. not only do they clean everyday dirt, they clean a lot of unexpected stuff too. like scuffed up shoes, tough stuck-on sticker gunk, and lots more. in fact, his book got so full... he made a website instead. share your magic eraser tips at mycleanbook.com thank ythank you for defendiyour sacrifice. and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel. thank you daddy. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance can be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. israel will do whatever it must do to protect its people. >> israel prime minister netanyahu indicating israel is close to its goal of destroying all known tunnels out of gaza, but israel is continue to battle its hamas as long as they need. this as peace talks are under way. i'll talk to a former middle east peace negotiator about all of these developments. alsoing o ing also, one of two americans affected with ebola is back in the u.s. he arrived just a couple hours ago. we'll have a live update on his treatment. also, just hours before heading onto their summer break, the house passed a bill to block undocumented kids crossing the border. what's in that bill, what's not, and what's next? 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>> reporter: everybody was listening to see whether he would make a firm statement. either is israel going to end the ground invasion or go in deeper, in particular because of the israeli soldier. in fact, what he said was pretty much staying in the middle. he said israel is very close to finishing -- achieving its major goals in gaza, in particular destroying all the tunnels. the word he used translated into english was regroup. he said at that point israel will regroup and decide what to do. he didn't commit israel or the army to coming in, going out either way. it's just a matter of regrouping and deciding what to do. that will probably be based on what reaction is now from hamas, how many rockets will hamas fire into israel. the key development really on the ground was that israel told residents, one of the towns in northern gaza where the most severe fighting was taking place, israel told them you can now -- told them you can now go home. and the same israeli tanks and personnel carriers were seen leaving gaza and returning to israel. that suggests the key fighting in that major area of northern gaza is, in fact, over. but in the south, israels are still continuing to fight about 60 palestinians at least, killed today in that area where the israeli lieutenant was taken. so the idea of an end to the fighting is not near. the defense minister who followed netanyahu, he emphasized that the operation could go on for a good time yet, a good deal longer. and the emphasis on the palestinians and the international community, which is the peace talks in cairo, well, israel has said they're not even going to send is delegation to those peace talks. israel says it's just not worth it. that they had a deal with hamas, a cease fire, the 72-hour humanitarian cease-fire that began on friday for three days. it didn't last two hours and israel accuses hamas of breaking the cease-fire. now their conclusion is no point talking to hamas, no point arranging another cease-fire. it now appears that israel will withdraw in its own good time. for hamas, i think that is probably a blow because hamas wants a deal with israel under which the siege of gaza would be lifted. if israel withdraws unilaterally, then there's no agreement about the siege, so hamas would not have gained very much in terms of their major condition, which was the lifting of the siege. so that's the bad news i believe for the citizens of gaza, who were hoping that they would be able to bring in food, medicine, building supplies. they would need israel to negotiate that with egypt, which controls the southern border. >> martin fletcher for us in tel aviv, thank you so much. i want to turn to george mitchell, he was appointed by president obama as a special envoy for middle east peace, a role he served, and until 2011. what did you make of the statement as well from benjamin netanyahu? our reporter saying that everybody's standing by, waiting for a firm statement and he kind of stayed in the middle and talked about regrouping. >> ei think it probably lays th ground for a withdrawal of israeli forces, as your correspondent indicated. that already appears to be occurring in the northern part of gaza. it also serves the purpose, of course, of reporting to the people of israel, which people expect from their leaders. periodic reports on a conflict that's ongoing. it probably takes focus on the conflict between the egyptians and various palestinian factions. i think that although israel will not achieve its ultimate objective of removal of hamas and the threat to its security from gaza, it has achieved the tactical goal of eliminating for the moment at least the tunnels that have been a serious problem for them and of severely degrading hamas's capability to serve as a threat in the future. from hamas's side, they have elevated themselves politically within palestinian society. before this outbreak, hamas has had a pretty low point politically with their opposition, the palestinian authority led by president abbas, being seen as probably higher standing among the palestinian people. as a result i think it's probably adversely affected abbas because it raises a sense of patriotism and unity among the palestinian people, even though they have internal political differences. so hamas has probably made some political gains in that regard. it's hard to see whether that will be long-lasting. that may be temporary. >> how much closer to this move, it might cut down on some of the casualties and maybe the fighting won't be as intense? but does it get us closer to some kind of a deal to end the fighting? or we have one phase of the fighting that's now over? if troops are going to pull out? >> i don't think there will be a deal in the sense that we use the term, because what hamas wants and what i think is unlikely to achieve agreed to lift the blockade on gaza which has been in effect for many years. i just don't think that's like tloi occur. while israel may withdraw its forces from gaza, it will maintain the prior situation there. and israel has occurred in the past. there will be either a formal cease-fire or more likely a sputtering out of conflict that will erupt from time to time. chemo, that there are many different factions within gaza and hamas does not appear to have full control over all of them. >> one more thing. you know how difficult this work is to be a negotiator there in the middle east. secretary kerry has been criticized, has received some criticism. what do you see of the united states -- is there much more the united states can be doing at this point? >> well, of course, criticism is inevitable in almost any public position and it's absolutely inevitable for anybody in the middle east. keep in mind that there have been what i think have been 20 secretaries of states. numerous envoys. all american who have gone there, tried to resolve this problem over the past 65 years. and none have achieved the full outcome that we seek. that is an end to the palestinian-israeli conflict and a normalization of relations between israel and the arab countries in the region. so i think secretary kerry knows that criticism comes with the job and he's to be commended for staying at it in the face of the difficulties that have occurred. and our inability to bring it to an end. but i'll just make one point. the united states is the dominant military and economic power in the world. we have an unequalled capacity to influence the world, but we will never have the capacity to control everything that happens in the world. a lot of factors go into these conflicts. this is not something that should be viewed in isolation. there's turbulence throughout the middle east. there's several intersecting battles and conflicts, some ancient, some recent going on. so any notion that the united states has the capacity to completely exert control over what everybody does in the region is simply a fantasy. we should do the best we can to support those who are our allies and who share our values, but we can't control what everybody does and it should not be seen as an american failure because fighting continues in the region. >> former senator george mitchell, also former middle east envoy. sir, we appreciate your perspective. thank you so much. we have another major story developing this hour. one of two americans who contracted the deadly ebola virus has arrived on u.s. soil and is now in the care of doctors at emery university hospital. you are seeing video of dr. kent brantley earlier today getting out of that balance and walking into the hospital. we're learning that dr. brantley's family is about to visit him for the first time in that hospital. sarah, he walked into the hospital. a lot of us were thrown off by that. >> reporter: a lot of pleasant surprise for the medical professionals treating him here, t.j. no one expected dr. brantley to walk off of the plane. he's been battling ebola and they had this very detailed plan to get him here. he had taken a turn for the worse about 48 hours ago, so this is a huge shock. he is currently in a specialized isolation unit here at emery university hospital where doctors are evaluating his condition. they are here to provide supportive care for him. they are here to keep his body going and give it what it needs so he can develop these antibodies. right now there is no respirator or anything like that. it is there just in case. as for now, fluids, those sorts of things they can do safely without exposing any of the medical staff, any of the patients or visitors to the hospital. >> sarah dallof for us in atlanta. thank you so much. we'll continue to follow that story out of lanatlanta. a late night bill to keep undocumented kids from crossing the border. we'll break down what's in that new bill. and later this hour, the little guy captures the nation's hearts last year. he was batkid for a day. we have new footage and details of what it took to make that kid's adventure happen. cer ] aaah, the amazing, delicious cinnamon and sugar taste of cinnamon toast crunch and cold milk. ♪ cinnamon toast crunch. crave those crazy squares. cinnamon toast crunch. when folks think about wthey think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection? 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once again, to act on his own and once again, of course, doing so with folks in congress. >> reporter: the president indicated yesterday that he is prepared to act alone. he asked congress for $3.7 billion to deal with the border crisis. so it's possible the white house is beginning to be looking for some preexisting funds. but the president says he's also going to act alone on immigration reform. we know he has been meeting with advocates in recent weeks. they would like to see him take bold action and i am told that he's not shying away from that. among the things he's considering, a plan that would give legal protections for some of those who are here illegally, who are related to u.s. citizens, as long as they don't have any criminal history, any criminal background. this is something that could apply to millions of people, maybe as high as 5 million people, but in speaking with one white house people, i am told that no decisions have been made yet. this is going to be legally tricky, and that is one of the reasons why they are taking this so slowly. we anticipate that president obama will make a decision by the end of the summer or the fall. so this is doing that we're going to hear in the coming weeks. it will come just ahead of the 2014 midterm elections. that has some democrats who are facing tough re-election battles very nervous, but the broader calculation on the part of democrats is that this is going to be a big win in 2016. you'll remember that president obama beat mitt romney amongst latinos by 70% to about 20%, so they think that those margins are only going to solidify if president obama does take big, bold action on immigration reform. >> nbc's kristen welker for us at the white house. thank you, as always. president obama also raised some eyebrows at his press conference yesterday when he said this. >> in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, we did some things that were wrong. we dade whole lot of things that were right, but we tortured some folks. we did some things that were contrary to our values. >> the president bluntly reacting to a senate report on interrogation tactics following the 9/11 attacks. even acknowledging that the u.s. crossed the line. the president also defended cia director john brennan after some lawmaker lawmakers, including democrats called on him to resign, after another report about the computer files of senate staffers. if you wear a denture, touch it with your tongue. if your denture moves, it can irritate your gums. try fixodent plus gum care. it helps stop denture movement and prevents gum irritation. fixodent. and forget it. a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so moving is easier. celebrex can be taken with or without food. and it's not a narcotic. you and your doctor should balance the benefits with the risks. all prescription nsaids, like celebrex, ibuprofen, naproxen and meloxicam have the same cardiovascular warning. they all may increase the chance of heart attack or stroke, which can lead to death. this chance increases if you have heart disease or risk factors such as high blood pressure or when nsaids are taken for long periods. nsaids, like celebrex, increase the chance of serious skin or allergic reactions, or stomach and intestine problems, such as bleeding and ulcers, which can occur without warning and may cause death. patients also taking aspirin and the elderly are at increased risk for stomach bleeding and ulcers. don't take celebrex if you have bleeding in the stomach or intestine, or had an asthma attack, hives, other allergies to aspirin, nsaids or sulfonamides. get help right away if you have swelling of the face or throat, or trouble breathing. tell your doctor your medical history. and find an arthritis treatment for you. visit celebrex.com and ask your doctor about celebrex. for a body in motion. now is time, since the medical examiner has made his determination, now is time for the rubber to meet the road and somebody to show where we going. >> that's the reverend al sharpton, head of the national action network. that was just a little while ago, joining the family of eric garner to rally supporters in their call for justice. the new york city medical examiner ruled the death a homicide friday and said the father of six was killed bay choke hold when police attempted to arrest him last month. nbc's ron mott was at the national action network event earlier today, joins me in studio now. ron, good to have you back in here. what does it mean? how does this change things now that it has officially been ruled a homicide? >> i think reverend al sharpton and the family think it is now an automatic indictment. but that's not the case. the video that you see there, they have to do some more investigating before they can determine to attach any criminal liability in this case. it's not an automatic -- you know, because this is ruled a homicide, now let's go get this officer and arrest him. there are some people here in new york city over the weekend wondering why this hasn't already been done, but due diligence has to be done here as well on behalf of that officer and the other officers involved. >> right there. that was my question. help us with that. we've got everybody that can see what happened in that video. the choke hold. the choke hold, the compression is what killed this man. so why no arrest? tell us what due process is? what is going on now to determine whether or not he should be charged? are the police handling this or the district attorney handling? >> i think both. i think the police are definitely investigating the case. i think what prosecutors are looking for now is the behavior of eric garner there. was he resisting? did he, in fact, contribute by resisting to his own demise? that's what the police union is saying, if he didn't resist, this tragedy wouldn't have happened. the family is saying the opposite. he did not have to be handled this way. obviously the police said that they were there to effect an arrest because he was selling individual cigarettes, against the law in new york city. a lot of folks are saying even for that kind of behavior, if he were guilty of doing that, was this physical confrontation necessary? you can see when eric garner throws his hands up as if to say let's have a conversation, let's not arrest me, let's have a conversation here. right before all of that happened, he says he was tired of them ha ras -- harassing him. sadly, his life ended that day. >> some people upset that that has now become a part of the story. but also today, part of the story is the officer, that very officer in that video who put him in that hold, has a background as well that was highlighted at today's press conference. >> that's correct. there's apparently a civil rights lawsuit that has been filed against this officer who is an eight-year veteran. had his badge and gun removed. there was a second officer who was reassigned in this case here as well. we don't know where that federal case is going to go. these gentlemen allege that this particular officer forced them to be strip searched in public. we have not been able to hear from the other side, so we'll have to see where that goes. but reverend al sharp on the did want to bring this to everyone's attention that this officer was responsible for that choke hold, is also involved in another incident involving some young african-american men. >> nbc's ron mott. thank you so much. good to have you in studio. up next, we're heading to look at one of the most important senate races in the country. many of my patients still clean their dentures with toothpaste. but they have to use special care in keeping the denture clean. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident is designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning in a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that's why i recommend using polident. 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not much surprises us. does anything surprise you about this one in particular? >> no, i think it's interesting that you have two very contrary stories, with one saying well, you know, the governor's wife was taking these things because she was in love with the giver. and the giver saying something completely different, meaning i would never give these types of gifts to anyone. we have seen this story play out over and over again, whether it's actual sexual immorality or affair or adultery, or just ethics challenges, and financial corruption. we've seen it play out aefr and over and over again. >> is there something to be learned here, a lesson to be learned? we're seeing someone that was a rising star. it's just remarkable. hasn't been found guilty of anything. but does this tell us anything, some lesson to be learned about political office, politicians and just how dirty and behind the scenes it can be sometimes? >> yeah. i mean, the human drama is incredible. but i think the kind of policy angle here is that virginia for a long time was one of the few states that had basically no ethics rules. you could give anything to public fishes. so mcdonnell thought he was on right within the law. his defense is saying he didn't realize he was breaking the law here and he didn't do any quid pro quo after this guy jonnie williams. so it's sort of the logical conclusion of the attacks that we're seeing at the supreme court and other levels on campaign finance laws. it's the logical conclusion of that. where wealthy people can influence people in office with gifts or donations to try to get favors for their company. it's obviously an extreme and brazen and almost comical version of it. but i think it does highlight where this could be going if we're not careful. >> let me switch to another gear here and what we saw in the house, republicans in particular do, in passing a couple of bills having to do with the crisis on the border. two bills that are going to go nowhere and everybody understands that. one of them passing almost $700 million to go towards border security. what did you make of it, and the strategy in doing so? because it had to be a strategy because everybody knew this bill had no chance of passing the senate and getting the president's signature. >> it appears to me that both sides were playing for the fall election and they were getting their talking points together and neither side was particularly interested in finding common ground to secure our borders and to bring some sense of safety, both to american cities and to the children that had been transported politically out of south and central america. one of the interesting things for me a picture, if you can just visualize the edge and the border of central america and mexico, and then go straight up land and hit the closest american city, it's about 1,200 miles. and you tell me that 8, 9, and 5-year-olds are getting up there by themselves with no food? this is crazy. this is an attack on our sovereignty. >> angela -- >> what? >> i was just about to bring you in here. you say an attack on sovereignty. i'll let you do the response. i know you want to get back in there, ken. >> i'm not even going to respond to that. what i will say is that the former secretary of state is dead-wrong here. this isn't about talking points going into recess. this is about a party, the democratic party being the big party. they had said from the outset, whether it was passing the dream control, or the border principles that they stood on throughout this congress, or the senate side passing a comprehensive immigration reform measure that the house refused to take up. this is about speaker boehner, them saying they are going to address immigration reform, and shortly thereafter, eric cantor saying they absolutely wouldn't. so much so that speaker boehner put this out on one of their principles, that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents. it's time to provide a legal opportunity for citizenship for children brought to this country through no fault of their own. what were they doing yesterday? everything yesterday flies in the face of this particular border principal. i'm sorry, you have it wrong. >> why an attack on sovereignty versus the humanitarian crisis? >> just think about it, what i just said, t.j. you have 5 and and 8-year-olds coming 1,200 miles with no food and no water. look, that's crazy. you would have to have the imagination of jonathan swift to believe that this isn't a well-orchestrated -- >> or the courage of harriet tubman, ken blackwell. i'm not going to let you do this today. >> excuse me. my message would be to those border governors. you know, while they play around in washington, do what's in your authority to protect your borders. >> alex, let me bring you back in here. we're seeing how the debate plays out. this led to some tense moments last night after republican congressman tom moreno from pennsylvania said this about democrats and the issue. let's listen. i'll bring you in here. >> you know something that i find quite interesting about the other side? under the leadership of the former speaker and under the leadership of the former leader, 2009 and 2010, they had the house, the senate, and the white house, and they knew this problem existed. they didn't have the strength to go after it back then. but now, they're trying to make a political issue out of it now. >> now, this led to minority leader nancy pelosi -- i think we have the video. she stormed over to him in congress in the middle of that speech and eventually shook his hand, but they had some pretty tense moments. we don't have that up for you there. but here it is. you can see it on the bottom -- you see it on the bottom of your screen. ended up eventually shaking his hand. but what are we to make of -- we talk about a crisis we have going on, but we don't seem to be able -- any of us to agree about what to do. and now congress is taking a vacation, or a summer break. nothing has been done on this issue, and kids continue to cross the border. >> yeah, i mean, it's incredible. i think that moment on the floor there with nancy pelosi, the leader of the democratic caucus, just underscores how emotional this issue has become, and how far we've come from the seeming consensus of just a year and a half ago, or two years ago after the 2012 election when the republican report said they need to embrace immigration reform. you have leaders like marco rubio coming out in favor of it. we can't even get this bill done before we go on recess. and the guy leading the opposition to the bill on the republican side, ted cruz in the senate, takes off the next day to go to iowa, and i think that kind of tells you, you know, everything you need to know about some of the political motivations here behind this, some of the people taking a hard line on immigration. it's an eye toward the election, an eye towards the next election towards 2016. >> all right, i'm going to have to leave it there. i'm not completely out of time, but i know if ken and angela -- if i get y'all back out in here -- >> you're absolutely right. >> i'm going to completely run out of time. >> you're absolutely right. >> i hope harry reid brings them back to washington. >> that's not going to happen. bye, ken. >> that's right. angela, alex, ken, i will talk to you all again real soon. >> thanks, t.j. new documentary in the works about the 5-year-old batkid who saved san francisco last year. the producer of that film coming up. and as we go to break, another live look from the fancy farm picnic in western kentucky. senator mitch mcconnell and his democratic challenger are going to be a couple of the highlights, and they are expected to speak in just a few minutes. stay with us. my mother made the best toffee in the world. it's delicious. so now we've turned her toffee into a business. my goal was to take an idea and make it happen. i'm janet long and i formed my toffee company through legalzoom. i never really thought i would make money doing what i love. we created legalzoom to help people start their business and launch their dreams. go to legalzoom.com today and make your business dream a reality. at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side. been all fun and games, here at the harrison household. but one dark, stormy evening... she needed a good meal and a good family. so we gave her purina cat chow complete. it's great because it has the four cornerstones of nutrition. everything a cat needs for the first step to a healthy, happy life. purina cat chow complete. share your rescue story and join us in building better lives. one rescue at a time. your studied day and night for her driver's test. secretly inside, you hoped she wouldn't pass. the thought of your baby girl driving around all by herself was... you just weren't ready. but she did pass. 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ferguson, missouri. the crowd demanding justice for michael brown and an end to police profiling and brutality. plus, should it be legal for little kids to shoot big guns? even if it's at a shooting range. a 9-year-old girl accidentally shot her instructor with an uzi. also, on this saturday, it's an app that only a mother could love. kids, you need to hear about this one. your parents can now lock your phone if you ignore their calls. it's today's big idea. good afternoon to you all. t.j. holmes. thank you for being with us. new concerns about the threat from the terror group isis after officials in britain raised their threat level to severe. meaning an attack is highly likely. the obama administration calling for an international coalition to address the growing threat. secretary of state john kerry will head to europe next week for talks with u.s. allies, but in an op-ed in today's "new york times," kerry called for the world to unite in the fight, saying isis is a cancer that must not be allowed to spread. saying there is evidence that these extremists if left unchecked will not be satisfied at stopping with syria and iraq. they will have already demonstrated the ability to seize and hold more territory than any other terrorist organization in a strategic region that borders jordan, lebanon, turkey, and is peril s perilously close to israel. british prime minister cameron was expected to push for coordinated action to confront extremists. let me turn now to kelly in london for us. hello to you. is there a reason brit -- britain should be more worried than u.s. in taking the action to step up the terror alert? >> i think the prime reason is there are 500 british citizens who have traveled to syria to fight and as many as 250 are to fight. that's the main reason to be so concerned. if prime minister david ron using some pretty dramatic language yesterday, talking of a generational struggle for the uk. a poisonous ideology of islamic extremism. that threat level raised from substantial to severe, meaning an attack is highly likely, but not yet imminent. this has been a concern in this country for more than a year now. >> secretary kerry going to be meeting with allies at the nato summit next week, but is there enough support out there, is it really a possibility for a joint military strategy against isis? >> military is the keyword there, t.j. a joint military strategy will probably be a tough sell with other nato countries, as well as other european countries. america's closest ally, the uk, is shying away from anything with military in it right now. prime minister cameron said britain's role in iraq and in syria would be primarily humanitarian. and that the uk could help with intelligence and arming kurdish fighters. but no mention of air strikes, or certainly of boots on the ground. >> kelly cobiella, thank you so much. we'll check back in as this story continues to develop. we'll turn now to ferguson, missouri. hundreds of people there marching this afternoon to protest police profiling and brutality. group gathered near the location where unarmed teen michael brown was shot and killed by a police officer three weeks ago today. earlier this week, six missouri residents filed a federal lawsuit against city, county, and police officials alleging their civil rights were violated during the unrest that followed the shooting. they're seeking more than $40 million in damages. a national reporter for "usa today" was in ferguson. you've been covering this for some time, and you wrote, that you think this could be a catalyst. what's happening in ferguson could be a catalyst for change. how so? >> as you say, the violence could be a catalyst for change, because they pointed to other riots. we talked about the watts riots and the riots that followed the beating of rodney king, and they said while peaceful protests might get the message out, violence is where you see the media coming in. violence is where you see people starting to rethink how they're going to deal with this. a lot of the experts i talked to said the next time a young armed black boy is killed in a small city, they're going to think twice about how they really deal with this. because we had rioting and ferguson, we had all those things that happened. they think the violence is really going to make people not only act differently in the future, but also going to bring the attention and brought the attention that other peaceful protests might not have brought. >> there's so much of a disconnect between the black community and police. but in many communities around the country. have you seen or did you see any indication that maybe that rift was starting. was there any type of warming of relations, or reaching out from one side to the other in ferguson going on just yet? >> i think captain johnson made a big difference to people. i think before that, and before he was brought in, i was there in the days before, people were angry, they were talking about how terribly the police treated them. and then captain johnson showed up and people said he's someone who knows us, who knows what we've been through, who can talk about his black son who wears his hat to the side. in that regard, people started to warm up to him. i don't think i saw people warming up to military gear, fatigue wearing officers in armored trucks. i don't think that has happened yet. i think people are starting to rethink policing in that community. because captain ron johnson, just the day before i left, said i'm going to be here for a while. i'm not going to just come here, and when the cameras are gone, i'm going to leave. so i think with people promising to stay there, are really going to think about him. >> that's a good point to make. they can pull him out of there, quite frankly, and they still are dealing with the police force that has 53 officers on it and only three of them are black. that's a long way to go for the ferguson community and police. people are trying to figure out where we're going to go, what's next. there's so much talk about putting police officers on every police officer in the country, quite frankly. it's worked in some communities. but now they have collected 150,000 signatures, called for a law to require all officers to wear body cameras. this is coming from a petition on the white house's we the people web page. this means essentially that now the white house is going to have to respond in some way to this petition. how receptive are police that you have talked to, maybe police there in ferguson, or elsewhere receptive to this idea? >> i think the police i talked to, i spent the whole night with them probably about seven hours, talking to them. i think they're receptive to that idea. the people i've talked to, the officers that i talked to said how different would the situation be if we had a videotape from beginning to end of what happened with michael brown. we would have either had a resolution, the cops could have said this is what happened, now you understand our side. i think the police i've talked to said that they're really receptive to this. that they want to tell people, this is what we need to face. they wanted me to write a story to say this is how our day began. this so how we started off talking to people. you understand at what point that happened. so i think people -- the officers are receptive to this. i think the idea always comes back to funding. how are we going to fund this? i think there's still questions there. i think they're receptive. i certainly want to get your comment on. you may not know this name yet. dylan taylor. this is a young man who was shot and killed in salt lake city by a salt lake city police officer. the young man, 20 years old was unarmed. the officer shot and killed him in a confrontation, the young man felt or fit the description of someone, a suspect. the young man is described as white, hispanic. and the officer is described as non-white. and there are some places it's reported he is black. we can't confirm that, but at least the police department said he is a non-white police officer. there's been a lot of criticism out there, and a lot of talk over why isn't this case -- when it's a white kid getting shot, who was unarmed, versus a black kid getting armed, why don't we see marches, why don't we see civil rights unrest, or civil rights leaders coming in and talking about this case. i'm asking you for a little perspective. there have been protests in salt lake city, but when you read that story and see some of the reaction to it and you've been in ferguson as long as you have, the perspective of why those two cases might draw different reaction from communities. >> i think it's a valid question to ask. i think people need to ask those questions. i think in ferguson, what made that story blow up and what made that story stay is because hours after michael brown was killed, you had a convenience store burned down. within days, you had police crashing on national television in armored trucks. you also had leslie mcfadden, which is michael brown's grandfather, he called -- physically called himself and called al sharpton to say please come to my community. i don't know if dylan's family has done that. so i think the way the media covered that story had a lot to do with michael brown's death, but it also had to do with all the things that happened afterwards. i think the fact that you had the governor asking for a state of emergency, instilling a curfew, all those things made that story just continue to go. i think in dylan taylor's case, if we do see hundreds of people, if we start seeing clashes with police officers, i think that's going to make the story go even further. but i also should say "the new york times" is talking about it. so i also think that that story is getting play, and that story is being covered. so i think there are people that are probably going to still be upset and look at race and look at that case, but i think we really have to understand that we're covering not only the death of two young men, but we're also covering all the developments around that. >> it's always good to have you. thank you so much. good to see you. thanks for being here on a holiday weekend. well, it's not exactly relaxing start to the holiday weekend in a lot of places in the country. louisiana dealing with some nasty weather, some heavy rain. got reports of potentially dangerous flash flooding in the southern part of that state. jeanette calle with us. some nasty stuff this weekend. >> yes, it's certainly a very active saturday across sections of the gulf coast, t.j. we are keeping a very close eye on this potentially dangerous flooding situation. the reason for this is there's a lot of tropical moisture surging northward out of the gulf of mexico. rainfall amounts since this morning, ranging from two to nine inches of rain with another inch or more possible as we head on into the evening. so flash flooding certainly a major concern here as we head on into this saturday evening, but finally, things will again to calm down across the big easy as we head into labor day monday. still could see some hit or miss thunderstorms across the big easy as we head on into sunday. a lot calmer by monday. beautiful in the northeast today. temperatures at 78 in new york city. 85 in washington, d.c. thunderstorms in chicago and atlanta this afternoon. the heat is building in the southwest. sunday, scattered thunderstorms in the northeast. best chance for those will be late sunday into early monday. then things are looking a lot better for the northeast by labor day monday afternoon. >> all right, jeanette calle going to be with us the next couple hours. thank you. we'll chat again. coming up, little kids, big guns. combination getting new attention after a 9-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed an instructor at a shooting range. will it change the debate over gun control? also, the white house still playing cleanup two days after the president said we don't have a strategy yet to combat isis. i'll talk to a member of the foreign affairs committee about how the u.s. should deal with the terror group. stay with me, folks. 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>> we're already doing things. the president has already taken action. i think what the president -- and i don't want to speak for him, but i think the point is people recognize this as a rapidly changing situation that requires a response to things that are happening in the entire region. it's going to require diplomatic military intelligence cooperation with our partners in that region, with lots of discussion s about how we work with people in a joint effort. i think this is something that is going to develop over time. i think the president is going to get the best advice from his secretary of defense, from his intelligence community, from secretary of state and other members of his cabinet, and then come to the congress with an action plan. but he's already taken steps. we want a president to proceed thoughtfully and responsibly and respond to a rapidly changing set of circumstances. >> congressman, one other thing on this then. you're saying you don't think that's what the president said. everybody else has chimed in. when the president says we don't have a strategy yet, how did you interpret that if not to mean we don't know how to deal with these guys just yet? >> i interpret that to mean we have to defeat isis, which is president said in those remarks, that this is a threat to the peace and security of the world, and ultimately a threat to the national interests of the united states. he was emphatic about that. i think the question is what is the right way to lead, participate, be a part of a partnership with our allies in the region, to do that effectively. how do you, for example, strike in syria and defeat isis while not strengthening assad? and so these are complicated circumstances. i think it's really important that the president listen carefully to the information about what's happening on the ground. this is a situation which changes every day, and we want a president that is responding to this very dangerous and changing circumstance, but i don't think there's any question that the president has state whad our mission is, his intention to work and defeat isis, because we must, it's a terrorist organization that will ultimately threaten our own country. but i think to think quickly, there's a quick and easy answer. this is complicated. >> and you have urged caution in the past. on two fronts. on isis and also on ukraine and dealing with the issue there and dealing with russia, that the president kind of wanted to urge that caution. and the last thing here -- we didn't get a chance to talk about ukraine and russia, but the last thing on isis, if the president comes to congress, if he comes to you and wants the okay from you to strike isis inside of syria, would you vote to give that okay? >> i think there is no question that if the president makes the case that military strikes, air strikes are necessary, not including, of course, boots on the ground, air strikes are necessary to defeat isis, i think he will receive overwhelming support in the congress from republicans and democrats. >> including from you specifically. >> yes. i think this is a terrorist organization that we have a responsibility to stop before it hits the homeland. >> all right. congressman david cicilline from rhode island, and in fact, the president was there with you all in rhode island, made some stops. so you saw him just yesterday. did you get to talk to him about any of this stuff? >> yes, he actually spoke about this. >> no, did you get to express them directly to him? >> yes. i did. >> all right, congressman cicilline, always good to see you. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. we're going to get back to that debate. new questions over gun control. 9-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed an instructor at a shooting range. should kids that little be using guns that big? 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>> well, there's no crime with respect to the young girl. if there's any crime at all, it has to be with the parents for allowing their child to participate at this level. but clearly there's civil liability here. at the same time, if you engage in negligent conduct, the child can't be responsible. the parent has to be responsible. so you have that. also, i have to wonder about the range master itself because they should have rules in place that says that a 9-year-old or a kid a certain size should not be able to engage in this conduct, and if they do allow it to occur, seems to me they have some responsibility as well. the instructor who was killed may have been contributory and negligent on the civil side because he shouldn't have had himself placed in that position. i think new rules, new laws are clearly at hand and should be here and should be looked at in terms of how to prevent that from happening, even though everybody was safe before, that don't mean they were safe then, and therefore some accountability. >> where does the negligence come into play here, and who determines whether or not a parent is -- i mean, different parents, different strokes for different folks. of course you're negligent if you put an uzi in the hand of a 9-year-old. >> absolutely. in my mind, it's like having your gun around your house and the child finds it. seems to me, if a parent put their child in a position to use a gun that can be fatal, regardless of the safety conditions, if something happens, seems to me they are responsible. they may not be civriminally responsible, but civilly they are. there ought to be laws that define when a child should be able to use a gun of this magnitude. >> john, last thing here, you talk about regulations and some rules. but don't they need to be uniform? state to state, you have different standards and different rules. i mean, how big of a task is it? you talk about any type of regulation when it comes to guns in this country. it's a tall order. >> no question that these are significant issues. there's common law issues involved here, too. there are laws that govern negligence, it's common law throughout the country. in terms of uniformity, that's probably not going to happen. in a state where this has happened, osha has a responsibility to look at. i would dare say that they all should take a look at this. particularly where gun ranges are serious and prevalent. this is a matter that should be a wake-up call for people around the country. >> attorney john burres, such a tragedy. thank you so much for your expertise. enjoy the rest of your week. >> thank you. coming up, president obama offering congress a new challenge on immigration reform. >> my preference continues to be that congress act. i don't think anybody thinks that congress is going to act in the short term. but hope springs eternal that after the midterm elections, they may act. and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel. thank you daddy. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance can be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. so what we're looking for is a way to "plus" our accounting firm's mobile plan. and "minus" our expenses. perfect timing. we're offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for business. run the numbers on that. well, unlimited talk and text, and ten gigs of data for the five of you would be... one-seventy-five a month. good calculating kyle. good job kyle. you just made partner. our best-ever pricing on mobile share value plans for business. now with a $100 bill credit for every business line you add. 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there is a lot of pressure on president obama to do something. secretary of state john kerry traveling to the middle east later on this week. he's going to try to start building that international coalition. and what's significant about that, is that it gives us a little bit of a timeframe of when we might see some type of decision coming. building a coalition is going to take some time. it could be a matter of days, if not a matter of weeks. so secretary of state john kerry leaving later on this week. we know that president obama's at the white house today. the white house says he's doing some work and later on today, he'll travel to a private event in westchester, new york, and he'll return a little bit later this evening. he, by the way, goes to nato where i'm sure this will be a big topic next week. >> kristen welker at the white house. thank you, as always. she's giving us a look of things on the president's take of foreign affairs. let me bring in m.j. lee and jackie kucinich. ladies, he also has a domestic agenda, including on immigration reform, that a lot of his supporters have been sitting around and waiting and waiting and waiting. they might have to wait a little longer. several reports, including one from the "l.a. times," talking about the president and some of these sweeping changes, considering maybe holding some of these off for a little bit. so let me start with you, m.j. what is the mindset around washington, the white house, and particularly democrats in thinking do they want the president to take executive action or make some immigration push before the midterms? >> look, i think we have just a couple of months before the november elections and i think the president knows better than anybody else in washington that getting anything done and getting anything done as substantive as immigration reform is going to be very, very tough. i think if the president had come out this week and said to the public look, i think that this is something that we can get done. i think there would have been a lot of raised eyebrows. really in a situation where we have most members of congress back in their home states focused on getting themselves re-elected. i think this is an environment we all know is not conducive to the two parties coming together to get something as tough and as divisive as immigration reform done. i think that the president is trying to speak in a way that strikes a realistic tone, and i don't think the white house really has a strategy, other than to say we'll do what we can on our own. and hopefully when members come back after the november elections, this is a problem we can start to address in a more meaningful way. >> you kind of alluded to this, exactly what the president -- some of his words. let's listen to the president himself on the immigration deadline and then i'll bring you in, jackie. >> and it continues to be my belief that if i can't see congressional action, that i need to do at least what i can in order to make the system work better. but, you know, some of these things do affect time lines and we're just going to be working through as systematically as possible in order to get this done. >> what possibly could get done and when at this point, jackie? if not you two specifically, but other washington reporters and having the same thing. when, when, when, when? >> i mean, very little will be able to get done before the election, if anything. i mean, perhaps lame duck part of congress after certain people have lost or won. maybe then. but even that is highly unlikely. this is such a charged issue. and congress really isn't in the mood to negotiate with each other lately. i'm sure you two have both noticed. also, i don't think red state democrats in particular want a deal, even if they don't align with the president. they're going to have to talk about immigration. and they don't want to have to defend him. most of them don't even want to talk about him. >> i have to get both of you on one other topic. we're talking about senator gillebrand. a lot of people know she made some comments -- or at least a book. talking about how she is subjected to some pretty outrageous behavior, it would seem, from some of her male colleagues there in washington. "the washington post" wrote that anyone who has spent more than a few moments on capitol hill, none of this should seem surprising. change comes far more slowly up here than in just about any other workplace. what she was talking about is some almost, i don't know, childish locker room frat boy old boys club behavior. as two women there on capitol hill, quite frankly, how is this story being received in washington, d.c. right now? >> look, jackie and i were actually talking about this a little bit in the green room. were either of us surprised to hear about the comments that were made? absolutely not. i think as reporters on capitol hill, as women reporters on capitol hill, you know, we have friends, whether they're fellow reporters, or congressional staffers perhaps, who have received comments that have made them at times feel perhaps uncomfortable, have felt that the comments were inappropriate, and so no, i think you brought up karen's article on this, that this should not come as a surprise. it doesn't come as a surprise. does that mean that such comments should ever be tolerated? of course not. absolutely not. i think the question of whether the senator should come out and name these people, i think that is a choice that is completely up to her. i would just hope that by bringing this to people's attention, you know, if that accomplishes the positive goal of making more people aware that this is something that happens and is a wide occurrence, then i think that is a positive outcome. >> jackie, take my last 40 seconds here. >> i think m.j. is right. the more that we talk -- we talk a lot about how there are more women in the senate, more women in the house, more women coming to government. but these bastions of sexism definitely still exist. actually, no matter where you work, whether you're in the senate or a fast-food restaurant. and one of the ways that this can become something of the past is have more women in positions of leadership. >> well, mj lee, jackie kucinich, always good to have you two women, two ladies here with me. i appreciate you being here this holiday weekend. i know i'll talk to you again soon. >> thank you. time now to flash back to august 30th, 1967. that is when thurgood marshall became the first african-american to be confirmed to the u.s. supreme court. marshall was confirmed by a vote of 69-11 in the senate. he would go on to serve on the court 24 years. marshall was a civil rights attorney before becoming a supreme court justice. as solicitors general, he argued and won the big supreme court cases ending segregation, a point that president lyndon johnson highlighted on the day he made the historic nomination. >> he has argued 32 cases before the supreme court. he has won 29 of them. that's about an average of 900. , dvd with wireless headphones for the kids! and tons of room for the golf clubs! golf clubs, and strollers. shhh ... i love this part. so what do you think? i think it's everything we wanted. great. discover for yourself why more people find their perfect car at carmax. carmax. start here. 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"what's needed to confront its nihilistic vision and genocidal agenda is a global coalition using political, humanitarian, economic, law enforcement, and intelligence tools to support the military force." at a meeting today, british prime minister cameron was expected to push for coordinated action to confront extremists. yesterday, officials in britain raised their threat level to severe, meaning an attack is highly likely. nbc's kelly cobiella is in london with more. how is this changing day-to-day life now for folks there in great britain to have the threat level increased? >> well, it was all over the newspapers this morning and it sort of captured the feeling in the uk, which is one of, i guess trepidation, if not fear. i mean, there is definitely a different feeling today with the terror alert at severe than there was yesterday, a warning that a terrorist attack is highly likely. this in a country that has experienced that in the past, in the not too distant past as well. there was an incident with a soldier who was killed in broad daylight on the streets of london, his throat slashed by two islamic extremists, and of course, the terrorist attacks back in 2005, where 52 people were killed in bombings across the city, t.j. >> prime minister cameron meeting with eu leaders. u.s. secretary kerry, also defense secretary hagel going to be talking with some of their counterparts in europe as well. what kind of coalition could they possibly be putting together here? >> well, first, let me give you an idea of just how difficult it is to get anything done. with an example in europe. mr. cameron has been pushing for measures to basically expand cooperation between security services in europe, sharing information about passengers, and this has been a really tough thing to get through because it has to go through the european parliament, and in the european parliament, there are concerns about civil liberties and privacy issues. so that's sort of stalled. when it comes to the military, even a tougher push, t.j., the prime minister here in the uk has really held back when it comes to any sort of military action involving isis, saying that the uk's primary role will be humanitarian, possibly assisting with intelligence gathering as well. and there are concerns about among other nato nations, france and germany included. >> kelly cobiella with us, thank you so much again. let me bring in mark ginsburg, and jack jacobs. let me play it for you first. the sound byte and the quote that got everybody talking this week. >> i have consulted with congress throughout this process. i am confident that as commander in chief, i have the authorities to engage in the acts that we are conducting currently. as our strategy develops, we will continue to consult with congress, but i don't want to put the cart before the horse. we don't have a strategy yet. >> ambassador ginsburg, what was your interpretation? everybody else has chimed in this week about that, but what was your interpretation when you heard those very words? >> i felt sorry, t.j., for the president and for the country. it's quite clear that for the last four years, this administration has bobbed and weaved and wiggled and waggled about trying to figure out what to do about syria. and there's no border between iraq and syria when it comes to isis. it seems to me incredible that this administration has tied itself up like houdini, trying to deal with isis, when it is willing to in effect save thousands of refugees out of the tens of thousands who still need to be saved in iraq, but for some reason, consider crossing the border into syria and to attack isis's headquarters and its tank battalions, in this northern city in which it has its headquarters, to be somehow a bridge too far. and quite frankly, i'm glad that the administration and the secretary of state have begun to at least listen to prime minister cameron of britain, who seem to lay out the strategy that the president should have copied word for word. >> colonel jacobs, what did you hear as a military man, quite frankly, anything surprising that isis -- which isn't new necessarily. maybe the american public just starting to get more and more familiar with isis, but our military folks knew and had to know for quite some time. >> in military terms, you start with -- well, you start with an objective and then a strategy. if you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. you've got to start at the end and work backwards. the fact that we don't have a strategy is just absolutely startling and extremely dangerous. you can't decide what it is you're going to do until you decide what the strategy is. what are you going to do tactically? that all depends on what the strategy is. the fact that we don't have a strategy is extremely dangerous. >> heard from the president and others saying we know we need to deal with this threat. need to make sure they have not a threat to the united states. does that not sound like at least the goal as you heard it? >> no, that's not good enough. you've got to be very specific about it internally, and to articulate that you really don't know what it is you're going to do to accomplish this wide-ranging goal. it's very dangerous. you need to do that to give guidance to your military people so they can figure out how to use the military instrument of power. >> you just used some words, you felt sorry for the president and the country at the time, but what message do you think and how that's interpreted? certainly knew the reaction was swift right after the president said it. the white house tried to walk it back and explain it, but what message does that send to our allies in europe and around the region quite frankly about what the united states is prepared to do? >> t.j., we know the president and the american people don't want to put boots on the ground in syria. i'm not a military person. i'll leave it to colonel jacobs. but the fact of the matter is that eradicating the very cancer -- that's the president's word -- against isis requires something more than merely air strikes. now, there are countries in the region, jordan, saudi arabia, lebanon, as well as turkey that have boots possibly able to be put on the ground in order to defeat isis with the united states, britain, france providing the air cover that is necessary. t.j., we're only talking -- i don't want to underestimate the threat, but we're only talking about 17,000 jihadis who we need to put out of their mystery in northern syria. this is not -- we're not talking about taking on major divisions here. these are people who have been able to run rough shot over innocent civilians because they can't defend themselves. when the united states used air power when they were taking the mosul dam, this is isis forces, or when they were threatening, it was just a matter of days they were stopped because of the air strikes. they can be rolled back. let's not overestimate and over aggrandize what we're really dealing with on a military basis. >> like you said, he's not the military guy, i'm not either, but 17,000. a lot of people are giving them a lot of create for being well-trained. >> they are well-trained. well organized. well financed. ambassador ginsburg may not be a military person, but he sure has the military measure of this. there's no doubt about the fact that you can't just drop bombs on people, and these people on the ground. that should include those in the region who are most at risk. >> where do you come down as a military guy and having to possibly partner with assad? >> well, you're going to have to partner with assad. it doesn't make any sense not to unless you're going to bring in a very large coalition that includes turks and others in the region, and take the country over. at the end of the day, to paraphrase, or actually to quote harry truman, he may be an s.o.b. but he's our s.o.b. if we want to defeat these people, it's not going to be air strikes alone. we are going to need assistance on the ground. it's going to have to be other people. >> all right, i will leave it there. ambassador ginsburg, colonel jack jacobs, always good to talk to you both. good perspective from both of you. enjoy the rest of your holiday weekend. >> thank you, t.j. >> we're about ten minutes past the hour. now, the showdown between russia and ukraine. just learned that the european union could be getting closer to issuing new sanctions on russia. eu leaders are meeting in brussels right now where ukraine's president warned his country could be on the verge of all-out war with russia. >> thousands of foreign troops and hundreds of the foreign tanks now on the territory of ukraine. a very high risk. not only for the peace and stability for ukraine, but for the whole stability in europe. >> nbc's moscow producer is with me now. how is russia reacting to what we're getting with the eu right now? >> t.j., good evening. russians don't seem to be worried about the sanctions. we don't know what the sanctions are going to be, after all. the previous sanctions have not seemed to hit russians particularly hard. the russian government has seemed unfazed and said, well, okay, hit us with sanctions, we will do business elsewhere. so nothing yet. >> how is anyone anticipating a deescalation of the conflict right now with russia and ukraine, especially given some of the even shocking words that we heard from president putin just the other day reminding the world that moscow, that russia is a nuclear power. i think . >> i think to deescalate the situation, both sides have to stop fighting. in order for the conflict to stop, they have to sit down and talk about it rather than fight. >> nbc's moscow producer. simple as that. we appreciate you jumping on. thank you so much. we're keeping a close eye there. still ahead, the nypd under the microscope again after a revelation of a second restraint related death. the details for you coming up. and the u.s. government is working to fast track a vaccine for ebola. we'll talk about when it will be ready. seriously? 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how big of a deal is this that we are moving along with this particular vaccine? >> well, we have to emphasize that the way today that we can control this outbreak is through standard good infection control isolation, quarantine, contact tracing. but when you want to really control in the long run, a vaccine is going to be very important. what we're talking about that's going to start the day after labor day at the nih in bethesda, maryland, is the first inhuman test of a vaccine that showed very, very promising in an animal model. and it's very early what we call phase one. it's never been in a human before. so we want to make sure it's safe and that it induces the kind of response that we hope for. you want to start slow tloi make sure that we don't get any unexpected adverse reactions to the vaccine. >> we know americans are afraid of trials. they know these things take years. how much time are we talking about with this vaccine? >> we are on a fast track to be sure, because of the situation that exists on the ground. we're starting next week. hopefully by the end of the calendar year, we'll get what we call preliminary safety data, and whether or not it does induce the kind of response that we saw in the monkeys that seem to protect, that actually did protect the monkeys. once we get to that stage, then you want to move into a much more expanded trial to accomplish two things. one, to determine if it truly is safe, and if it does work. is it effective? at the same time, did that you make it available to those who are at risk, mostly the health workers who are in a serious situation of getting infected in alarming numbers over there in west africa. they're the ones you want to target right away. >> and you said we're talking about maybe early next year expanding the trial, but are we talking about years with this? sometime next year we could have this thing out in the field? >> sometimes next year, we could have it in an expanded trial so that we could find out if it works at the same time as giving people the opportunity to benefit if it does work. >> any dangers in moving it along so quickly? >> no, there's no danger in moving it along so quickly because we didn't cut any corners. we just put things on a fast track, things that you might mail something to someone and wait until it comes back. you just walk it over or e-mail it over or really do it weekends, 24/7. that's what we mean by a fast track. not cutting corners for safety. >> is there anything else out there? 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texas national guardsmen who are helping the border reportedly say they need some help of their own. breaking this down. we've got a great brain trust for you today. skin cells loose energy. making skin look tired. wake it up! with olay regenerist. formulated with a skin energizing complex, it penetrates 10 layers of the skins surface. revving up surface cell regeneration and bringing out younger looking skin. because energized skin is younger looking skin. olay regenerist. olay. your best beautiful. but they don't yet know we're a family. we're right where you need us. at the next job, next adventure or at the next exit, helping you explore super destinations. and do everything under the sun. twelve brands. more hotels than anyone else in the world. so wherever you want to be, whatever you want to do, chances are we're already there. for a chance to win one million dollars, visit wyndhamrewards.com raising the minimum wage would be one of the best ways to give a boost to working families. it would help around 28 million americans from all walks of life pay the bills, provide for their kids, and spend that money at local businesses. and that grows the economy for everybody. the bottom line is america deserves a raise, but until we've got a congress that cares about raising working folks wages, it's up to the rest of us to make it happen. >> president obama trying to get back on message, touting his economic record and pushing for a raise in the minimum wage. that was during his weekly address today. august has been a rough month for the president in a lot of ways. his two-week vacation fueled fire for his critics, as he and congress return to washington, though. new reports today indicate the president may put off some of his more controversial executive actions until after the midterm elections. and there could be another problem at the border. you'll remember, texas governor rick perry deployed the national guard to try and get things under control, but now there are reports those men and women might have to turn to local food banks in south texas because they haven't been paid. let's bring in the brain trust, raul reyes, attorney and contributor to nbcnews.com. also managing editor of fault line. and kim blackwell of the family research council. welcome to you all. going to start with you to get your reaction. there's been a lot of immigration talk, and in this story, we're getting about some of these guardsmen protecting the border not being paid. i shouldn't say being paid. they have to be reimbursed. i guess that imagery of people that are supposed to be protecting us and down there doing duty, end up in the position where they need help themselves. >> i think that any time you have a service member in this country, whether they are in one of our armed services or serving in one of our state national guards, you got to provide for them. if they're going to put their lives on the line for us, we ought to be putting at least our wallets on the line for them. on that part, on the other hand, i'm not really clear what their job is there on the border, what kind of mandate, what kind of legal jurisdiction they truly have. those are questions that remain to be answered. if you're going to deploy them, you better feed them. >> let's turn. some of those questions, from that story, to yes, there's a broader immigration issue. a border issue. we were talking about this earlier. had a couple reporters on. and keep moving the target. seems like many of the president's supporters have been waiting and waiting. the immigration is coming. i'm going to make a decision. i'm going to take some action even if congress does not. will there be action now, in your opinion, before the midterms, and is that the last thing the democrats want to see? all are going to be going for re-election, want the president on immigration again. >> i think all americans want border security. there's no reason why any american should be at risk because we have a very porous border. and so cooperation between the state of texas and other border states as well as with the federal government and the national border patrol is warranted. one, securing our border is a high priority. and it's the first step in talking about how we correct the mess that we have now in terms of immigration, process, and policy. >> raul, i'm going to let you take it. raul's here in studio with me. i can tell you wanted to get in there. go ahead. >> i think as the president is gradually moving the time on his action, his executive order, his executive action on immigration, he's running up against two potential political dangers. one is that in this time that he's been waiting, the country has been waiting to see what he's been doing. the republicans have made a pretty good case against, without even knowing what his action is going to be, they have filled the void. by raising talk of impeachment. so that's a real danger. that that message is out there. and right now the white house seems to be on the defensive about immigration acts. the second danger that the president is running into, the longer that he waits on this immigration action, the greater the expectations are going to be from progressives and people who support immigration reform. so given that we don't even know what he's going to do, he could be taking all this heat, we could have all those people, the white house on the defensive, and for what. it could end up being a very modest proposal. so it would have been better off to err on the sooner side rather than later. move ahead with the consequences. a lawsuit resulting from whatever action it takes. >> before i move on to ferguson, i wanted to get to this. this particular topic of immigration. we might not get anything before the midterms. >> i don't think the border is any more secure. now we are sending the texas state national guard. i've laid that to the side. but secondly, there's a bit of politics coming here. we have midterm elections coming. if the president makes a move today, there is the notion that he could inspire a right wing base to turn out this fall and miss an opportunity to maintain control of the senate or hold off republicans taking control of the senate. so i've heard today, and i'm not sure if i agree or disagree with this. people are saying what's the difference between the policy on november 3rd as opposed to november 7th. i'm not sure where i come down on this, but i do believe there are some politics at play here. >> let me bring you back in. >> before you turn, i just think we have to all stay focused that border security is real. when the president on another front says that he's indecisive, confused, or doesn't have a strategy yet, we know that there are folks who would do us harm, that can cross our border, not just 9-year-olds or 15-year-olds. border security is a national security issue that has to be addressed. >> confused is the word you would use for the president? >> those people have passports. >> yeah, absolutely. >> there are others, ms-13 that come up through the border. so we're both right on that case. they're sophisticated folks who have passports who can come to the country and do us harm, but there are other folks that are crossing the border because the border is not secure. >> that is correct, but even the u.s. government acknowledges a nonpartisan institutes that illegal immigration is down over the last ten years. >> you talk to federal agencies, even the fbi, they will tell you the ms-13 is still coming across the border. that's correct. >> all right. i'm going to stop there. this group is not going to agree. that's why we're here. everybody has a different opinion. i want to get everybody's opinion quickly on one thing. is everyone here in favor of every police officer in this country wearing a camera? >> word. >> absolutely. >> i am. >> everybody is onboard with that. new york is announcing a pilot program now for cops to wear body cameras. they're going to start with 50 officers. there's a petition going on right now that the white house, the white house website that they're going to have to respond to now because they have over 150,000 signatures. people want every cop in this country to wear a body camera. let me start with you on this particular point. are we starting to see -- it's still new. three weeks to the day that mike brown was shot and killed. but the momentum. will we get momentum for doing this, and what could derail an effort like this? >> i think if there is any singular change that could come out of this case, and by the way, let the facts fall where they may, where this case is concerned, justice means transparency and truth, but at the end of the day, if there's any meaningful change, there is more action behind making certain that all sides are held accountable when these incidents occur, and that means putting cameras on officers. that means making the officer accountable for his or her actions and that means having the suspect or person that they're engaging also be on camera, so their behavior is recorded. so no more he said, she said. it's all on videotape. >> this is something -- you know, this is hugely beneficial for cops. i was amazed to hear how much the city of new york -- i don't have a number off the top of my head. >> 375 million in 2012. >> in claims to folks. >> these are settlements for alleged police brutality, destruction of property. so i think one of the most common objections to police officers having these cameras outfitting all the police officers is who's going to pay for it. how much is it going to cost. the nitty-gritty financial details. look at these tremendous amounts that cities and even smaller towns are paying out for settlements for brutalities. i do think it's heartening that even before the events in ferguson were already seeing cities across the country, testing out pilot programs and checking out other cities, we're seeing it in denver, houston, south carolina. so this may be -- hopefully will give it more momentum to continue. it really becomes a movement. >> do you see this being a good legacy to come out of what we witnessed in ferguson? >> as a former mayor, let me tell you that there are police unions in favor of the cameras. so yes, when we're dependent upon community police, positive relationships to help us keep our neighborhoods safe, anything that can reduce suspicious and actually build confidence in the policing that is taking place, in addition to policing strategies in our neighborhoods, and addressing another issue coming out of ferguson, it is shameful that a police force of 53 police officers in a city that is 68% black only has three officers. that is unacceptable and we can do better as we've done across cities across america. >> good note to end on. you all end the rest of your holiday weekend, and i'll talk to you soon. up next, the white house still doing some damage control since president obama said those words, we don't have a strategy yet. how's the white house working to clean that up. right on cue. 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literally. angry, lifelong republicans apparently torching their party cards in protest but today establishment leaders like new hampshire senator kelly ayotte says she will put party first. bernie sanders vowing to stick around. he won indiana but still trails by more than 300 delegates. that means hillary clinton has to fight on two fronts now. covering the campaign reaction from the east coast to the west coast and all points in between we start, though, with sources saying that kasich is suspending his campaign. kelly o'donnell, perhaps the only correspondent that's followed all of these at one point or another. what are your sources telling you? >> reporter: i've been to a lot of john kasich events and this is a day he hoped would not comp. as a sitting governor with no viable path to the nomination at this point, it is the prudent move for kasich to suspend his campaign. also his resources in terms of money were beginning to dwindle and there wasn't a credible case to say he should stay in it and try to stage a fight later on. it's critically important john kasich is the host above for the rnc convention in cleveland in july. so he will have a big role. the trump side is making plans for the next phases. the vetting process for potential running mates has begun in its earliest stages. that's something where they reach out to potential sources. finances and records begins. that's pretty typical but it is unclear how the trump forces and the more traditional rnc will merge. they have a convention to stage in just a matter of weeks. and now a possibility that he could alter his schedule a bit not needing to be quite as hard city by city as he planned. the requisite number of delegates is 1,237. a change now, we saw that in the way he talked about ted cruz calling him tough as a great competitor. no more of lion ted that became a part of the schtick for donald trump on the road. so lots of changes in terms of the tone of the race, the mechanics and a lot of questions now to be filled in about how the gop goes forward. >> kelly, o., thank you. to katy tur following the trump campaign. how do they pivot to a general election at this point? >> reporter: right now they are still planning on campaigning tomorrow in west virginia. they also have events scheduled on the west coast but it's unclear if he's going to honor those current scheduleings. looking to the general for a week or two now. they believe regardless whether ted cruz or john kasich dropped out that they would start moving to the general election and in that what they're going to do is try to hone in on their strategy against hillary clinton and the attacks they'll use. trump has made clear himself he's going to plan on using stuff that bernie sanders has brought up on the campaign trail. bernie sanders said hillary clinton was unqualified to be president. you heard him trying out nicknames for hillary, crooked hillary, which is something that he did with all of his republican rivals on the campaign trail. now they're starting to vet out vp picks, that he'll be forming a committee of people to go through the records of various candidates on that committee who will be on his selecting team. take a listen to what he said on "morning joe" this morning. >> i probably will go the political route. i think i'll probably go the political route. >> so not a general? people proposed a military leader. >> there's one person i think is very good. >> reporter: well, he talked about how it's not necessarily going to be a civilian figure or a military figure but he wants somebody who is political, knows how to get legislation. he recognizes he doesn't have experience and that he hasn't built a good reputation on, making enemies of a lot of the folks in congress and calling them out for not doing their jobs and speaking directly to people who say they feel disenfranchised. recognizing that may be a weakness for him and his campaign and deciding to find somebody who would potential ly fill that role. there are a lot of names who that could be. john kasich is being floated. i've heard marco rubio in terms of past rivals who could potentially help him bridge the gap in washington. trump has said no concrete name until july. >> katy tur at trump tower, thank you. kim blackwell, senior adviser to the anti-trump pac. i want to get to trump but let's talk about this news that john kasich will be suspending his campaign, both big names in hoho politics. i know you supported him. your general reaction? >> i think john kasich by taking himself out of the race, suspending his campaign, has probably risen on the list of potential running mates. that is a deliverable john kasich can deliver. newt gingrich is rising on that list from a number of directions because of his grasp of foreign policy, his familiarity with the legislative process and acceptability in washington. i think john probably positioned himself well for consideration in light of the fact charlie black is his principle adviser and used to be the business partner of paul manafort. >> you are aware governor kasich has said that he has no interest in being vice president of the yunited states? >> yeah, i understand that. >> you said, i don't believe in never saying never when it comes to never trump. are you going to fall in line and back the likely nominee today? >> i am a never hillary person and so whoever the republican nominee is, i will get behind and support because i don't want a third term of barack obama and that's what hillary clinton will deliver on steroids that being said there is going to be a real tension between reaganism and trumpism. reaganism has been the dominant world view of the republican party now for decades. the reality is trump is not a conservative and he's a new republican. there's going to be that tension and we're going to work it through. we're going to work it through. >> you raise an interesting point to hear you say donald trump is not a republican as he is set to become -- >> he's not a conservative. >> excuse me, not a conservative but he is a republican. we could talk about how you could be one and not the other. here you have a candidate, the face of the party, who is going to apparently run to the left of hi hillary clinton like issues of trade. how do you recognize being the nominee for president? >> you center everyone's attention on the supreme court, brother. that's what this is what this is going to come down to. there will be give and take. we're not going to get everything that we want. the trumpees will have to give something on their side of the line. reality is we know barack obama promised to fundamentally transform this country and the last chapter in his book is to, in fact, dominate not only the supreme court but the federal judicial system, the judicial activists. i this i that will focus everybody's attention and because we know that that won't -- that promise will be brought to fruition if hillary clinton is the president. >> sounds like he might be willing to accept the job in a trump administration or perhaps on the trump campaign team now. in cincinnati for us. ken, thank you. rick tyler is a political analyst, also a former spokesman for the cruz campaign and now the defunct cruz campaign. let's start with john kasich. do we think along the same lines that there may be a vice president kasich? >> there could be. >> he would be a terrific asset to the trump campaign were he to join it. i'm intrigued about king rich because he would be a really interesting choice and has an ability to drive news and the ability to attack his opponents. gingrich fashioned himself in the cheney role, a senior statesman as vice president who actually is an sizor to the presidency. >> if you're trying to broaden your base, why add another old white guy? >> there's part of that but i think trump needs some policy credentials, some foreign policy credentials. cruz's foreign policy advisers want to stick with cruz. the feeling in the room is they're not really interested in helping trump. i don't know if that was unanimous or not. >> we heard donald trump talk about uniting the party on the "today" show. this is just a sample of what ted cruz said about donald trump about 24 hours ago. >> i will tell you what i really think about donald trump, a pathological utter liar. donald trump is a serial philanderer and he boasts about it. this is not a secret. he's proud of being a philanderer, describes his battles with venereal disease as his own personal vietnam. that's a quote, by the way, on the howard stern show. >> someone in hillary clinton's campaign is working on an ad right now using just the material from yesterday. most has a trump reel as well. how do they walk back from that? >> in that clip the very same day he had accused ted cruz's father of somehow being complicit in the jfk assassination and not just how ridiculous that was. the source was ""the national enquirer"" but invoking the assassination of jfk to a whole generation who is still alive, can remember what they were doing on the day and what they were doing when they found out j jfk cavalierly to bring that up i thought was astonishing. i think donald trump, and i don't know if he's capable of it, he has said and done a lot of things, is he capable of showing some contrition about some of the things he said? you say tngs you highlight your record and to didminish someone else's record but there are some bright lines. >> you think he crossed the line? >> one is attacking your wife and one is attacking your father. >> rick tyler, good to see you. that brings us to today's microsoft question. can donald trump unite the republican party? that's the question. the pulse is live. you can cast your vote at pulse.msnbc.com. we'll share those results with you later in the broadcast. and then there were three. what's on bernie sanders' mind today? 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how is trump as the likely gop nominee change that plan at all? >> reporter: more difficult than standing upright on a bouncing press bus. having said that he's going to do what bernie sanders has done throughout the campaign. he's going to take that one win after a string of losses and will try to capitalize on it making the case you injuries heard, yes, it's an uphill struggle and that path is full of rocks and snakes and, you know, is vertical. having said that, he really believes he has a case to make. he got a little bit energized yesterday when you saw some of those polls that came out, the exit polls, three-quarters of voters in indiana felt this competition between sanders and hillary clinton had, in fact, energized the democratic base instead of hurting it which is something some supporters of clinton like to make the argument. not such good news in indiana that showed they thought hillary clinton was more likely the candidate to beat donald trump. having said that, there's no doubt about it that donald trump once he figures out how he's going to go after hillary clinton, that becomes a plus for bernie sanders, right? then it's not just him who's going after his opponent but it is also donald trump. we've seen how successful he has been at that. so that is sort of the strategy going forward, do more of what they've done. how will they tweak their message? that is yet to be seen. a couple things may come out of this. one, likely to get a boost after indiana, and the one thing we haven't seen a change in, we'll watch tonight, but we have not seen a change in those big crowds, thousands of people even with those odds stacked against him, craig, continuing to come out to see bernie sanders. >> they're still showing up. chris jansing is on a bus. let's bring in msnbc political reporter for more on clinton's two-pronged war here. we have this fund-raising e-mail. i'm sure you've seen the lyclinn camp, we can't risk a trump presidency. she still has the bernie sanders fight. how does she fight this two-fight battle against sanders and trump? >> reporter: it is a two-fight battle but that doesn't mean they'll allocate resources on both fronts. basically they're ignoring bernie sanders, stopped spending money in the upcoming primary states. yesterday when hillary clinton sat down with andrea mitchell, every question about bernie sanders got turned into an answer about donald trump. her schedule will be determined by the primary calendar. she will continue talking about donald trump, just let bernie sanders do his own thing and not annoy his supporters. aide told me they'll try to plant seeds of issues that will be helpful in a general election so in indiana she talked about manufacturing that will be helpful down the road. and lyclinton can't complain to too much. after all in 2008 it was her to kept dragging out the primary, john mcclain clinched on march 5th. she didn't drop out until june 8th of that year. >> alex seitz-wald, thank you. we have breaking news we're following out of minnesota about the days leading up to prince's death. there's a news conference that just wrapped up a few moments ago where we learned some new details about reported efforts to get the music icon help for drug addiction just hours before he died. nbc's stephanie gosk was at the news conference. she's live in downtown minneapolis with more. what can you tell us? >> reporter: craig, it's pretty extraordinary. you have a lawyer that's been hired by a doctor who is a nationally known drug addiction specialist and he ran through the time line essentially of the 24 hours before prince's death, that his client received what he described as an urgent phone call about a grave medical concern and was asked to do an intervention with prince to help him with his drug addiction. the doctor couldn't make the trip so he sent his son on a red eye that night to arrive in minneapolis and in the morning be taken to prince's house, which is what happened. when he got to the house, the lawyer says that representatives of prince met him at the door and then they couldn't find the musician, that they actually had to search account house. when they found him in the elevator, the representativives of prince were so distraught that andrew himself had to make the 911 call. and you may remember that back when we were talking about that call, there was a delay in how long it took the paramedics to get there in part because andrew, who is not from the area, had a difficult time describing where he was. he didn't actually have the address. the key points to take away from this, the lawyer today told us he's concerned his client, a andrew, who was at the house, could be criminally charged, that he was questioned by local authorities who said it was in regards to a criminal investigation. he felt it necessary to come out and describe this time line which authorities have not described, which the family has not described, really confirming for the first time that there was an alleged drug addiction and there were people close to prince who were worried about his use of drugs. craig? >> stephanie, what can you tell us about the kinds of drugs, the type of addiction? >> reporter: described as opioid addiction. we've been told prescription painkillers were found on prince, but there were no more details beyond that, craig. >> the gentleman who found prince in the elevator, again, just to clarify here, i want to make sure we understand, this is the son of the doctor -- >> reporter: yes. >> go ahead. i'm sorry. >> reporter: this is a drug addiction specialist from california, howard kornfeld. because his schedule wouldn't allow it, he sent his son on the red eye flight. he was going to meet with prince and describe the clinic that prince hopefully would attend out inc california. that's why the son was there. so when he was picked up by representatives of prince at his hotel they were taken to paisley park. when they got there, they couldn't find prince, the way this lawyer describes it, they actually searched the house for him and then they found him in the elevator. because the associates of prince were so distraught, andrew felt he needed to make the 911 call. >> was there an impetus that led, do you know, if there was a single event that led to family members or friends of prince contacting this doctor? >> reporter: he wouldn't be that specific. the way he described it is that howard kornfeld was contacted about a grave medical concern. he was left with the impression this was extremely serious and a call that was made the night before he died. he wouldn't tell us who made the call, what relation sthey were o prince. he just said representatives of prince. and he wouldn't go any further. he also made it clear his client, andrew, could potentially be criminally charged. craig? >> stephanie gosk for us there in minneapolis. again, that news conference that we mentioned, we are still waiting to get that in house. when we do, we will, of course, broadcast that for you here on msnbc. also on this wednesday, we are learning more about the navy s.e.a.l. who died in combat in northern iraq tuesday. charles keating is the grandson of notorious banker, a central figure in the savings and loan crisis in the '80s. officials say charles keating was an adviser to kurdish forces fighting isis. they say that he died as a result of, quote, coordinated and complex attack. keating was just 31 years old. 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>> reporter: yeah, you're right, craig. this place, california, my home, los angeles, was going to be, for once, important in the race for president of the united states particularly in the primary election. some were saying this was where donald trump would make it to 1,237 and where the stop trump movement was going to stop him in his tracks. voters here, people i've been talking to in downtown l.a. have been watching this news very closely. i want to interrupt lauren. how is it going? >> it's going good. >> reporter: i don't know if you've been following the news closely yesterday but trump is likely the republican nominee. it sounds like john kasich as well will be suspending his campaign which is what ted cruz did yesterday. disappointed as a californian we won't have more of a say here? >> yes, definitely. >> reporter: tell me what you are going to do in november? are you going to go for donald trump or hillary clinton? >> hillary clinton. >> reporter: how do you think she will do here in the golden state? donald trump is saying he may be able to win over residents in our great state. >> i have to hope we're smarter than that. >> reporter: if i can quickly scoot over to jorge over here. i was talk iing to him earlier. he's drinking what looks like a delicious smoothie. how did you take this news yesterday? california was going to have this huge importance that we never have in presidential politics and it sounds like donald trump is the likely nominee. we're not going to have that much influence. >> i think it was a bad decision from ted cruz. i think he still had a good possibility. in another way it's good because i think donald trump and him going at it here in california would have brought too much division. we saw from donald trump's rallies a lot of conflict, people writing and all that bad stuff. we know how we get sometimes. i think it would have not been good for donald trump and ted cruz to -- >> reporter: to face off here. that's an interesting thought, craig. that's what a lot of people are saying about the convention in. >> cleveland. just real quick you told me you're an independent. who are you looking at supporting in november, hillary clinton or donald trump? >> definitely hillary clinton. >> reporter: sounds like so far 2-0, hillary clinton. we'll be here, though, the rest of the day and see what folks here in los angeles are. >> thank you, good sir. again, as we wait for this john kcase ic announcement to happen here at 5:00 in ohio where he's expected to announce that he is formally suspending his campaign we turn to kasie hunt who is facing backlash of donald trump likely becoming the nominee. a lot of conservatives taking to twitter today saying they would rather disown the party than vote for the donald, kasie. >> reporter: there are members of this never trump stop trump movement who are re-emphasizing they do not plan to be involved in supporting donald trump. i have rory cooper from the never trump group tweeting #never trump means never. distinguishing him from republican positions and conservative values remains critical. come hell or high water we will never vote for trump. you had ben sass, the senator from nebraska, tweeting similar sentiments and one republican showing a photo of himself burning his voter registration card with the republican party. now, of course, the question here, craig, whether or not this is representative of voters in the republican party, whether there are enough of these types, whether they do, in fact, represent a segment of the voting population that's going to make a difference as we head into this general election. now i will also say, you heard a little bit of it in cooper's tweet, that first tweet that we read talking about how this is still about the overall conservative mission and the question is whether or not the party it self is going to splinter as many of these down ballots senate candidates for example, start to have to fight for their seats and face question after question about whether or not they support donald trump. you saw kelly ayotte, the senator saying she is going to support trump but not endorse im. i spoke with john mccain. he reiterated his plans to support the republican nominee but also said, again, he's not going to show up to the cleveland convention. that illustrates the difficult position they're in. one fight is over garland, the supreme court nominee. you have people arguing that, in fact, republicans on capitol hill should acquiesce to this request say iing garland is not good pick but he could be worse and that letting donald trump be involved in the process would be negative. mitch mcconnell's office, of course, out already saying that they plan to continue as they have been and argue for the next president to take up that supreme court pick. craig? >> as you were talking we got this picture in, the adviser for chris christie's campaign for a while. that's a picture of our 16th president shedding a tear, a sentiment again. >> reporter: the question of whether or not this is the end of the party of lincoln, russ schrefer. >> shawn, we'll get to what the never trump folks are saying in a moment. john kasich, again, suspending his campaign. nbc's confirmed it's going to happen in about four hours. one would assume he would be part of the key to uniting the party behind trump. what role do you see him having in a potential trump administration? could he even be a vp? >> well, that's all up to governor kasich to decide. he's been a successful governor in a swing state and shown how reaching out to key communities can be successful. he has done a phenomenal job not just successfully immrepting policies that put people back to work and taking ohio in a much better position than he found it. he's also shown from a political standpoint how reaching out to key communities and including them as part of the process leads to further xlil success. he's done well with the hispanic community and he's one of those great governors we have in the republican party throughout the country that shows a model of success. >> this morning on the "today" show trump was asked whether he could unite the party. this is what he said. >> i am confident i can yunite much of it. some of it i don't want. i don't think it's necessary. people would be voting for me not the party, and i think we'll do really well against hillary. >> not all republicans, as you know, have warmed up to the idea. last night even before the results were in, this is what south carolina senior senator tweeted, lindsey graham. if we nominate trump, we will get destroyed and we deserve it. senator mccain is up for re-election there in arizona. he's not going to be at the convention. mitt romney apparently thanked ted cruz for running, made no mention of trump. so much of the earth has been scorched. how does trump go about uniting such a fractured party? >> well, look, we started the process last year with 17 really qualified and amazing candidates. we have a lot of very passionate folks supporting their individual candidates. there's no question that it got rough and tough at certain points throughout this campaign. luckily for us it looks like we're going to have a presumptive nominee a lot sooner than the democrats. it gives us the opportunity to use that time to our advantage to heal some of those wounds and get back to the big picture which is focusing on hillary clinton. bernie sand eers won a huge rac last night in indiana and continues to give hillary clinton a real fight heading into california. that's time for us to continue to build up the ground game. we have a two-year advantage on the democrats, a two-year advantage on a general election strategy on data and digital. we're going to be able to provide our nominee with the resources in he is to win. the democrats continue to have to duel it out. a lot of the conversation on the democratic side is how do they unite this bernie sanders wing of the party that's really taken hillary clinton to the far extreme left. >> not further left than donald trump on trade. i mean, trump is running left of hillary clinton on trade. >> agreed. he's really tapped into something there. i think on a lot of focus, a lot of what bernie sanders is talking about is taking hillary clinton to the left. trump has done a lot to tap into the frustration and anger that americans feel with their government right now that's not working well, that's not responsive, that i think many americans don't feel like that government and bureaucrats are looking out for them in understanding the concerns they have and, frankly, the problems they face. so that's something that transcends party, though, craig. that's important when you talk about independents, when you talk about expanding the map into places that republicans haven't won before or haven't won recently, michigan, pennsylvania. those are states that i think donald trump will put back in place because you've got a lot of workers out there that have been frustrated, they've been tired of politicians ignoring them. >> i want to talk about that for a moment. i want to call your attention to some numbers. this is this new cnn/orc poll. it shows trump's unfavorable numbers. this is registered voters viewed unfavorably by 64% of women. that's lower than where it had been. also viewed unfavorably by 37% of conservatives. a number of folks in that same poll nonwhites, 74%. this morning on our air you talked about the importance of a gop growing its base. you mentioned it again there. how does someone who by most metrics is the most unpopular presidential nominee in history do that? >> are you talking about hillary clinton? >> no, i'm talking about donald trump. >> oh, well, look, we have spent the last ten months focused on a primary. they've gone back and forth, they've traded barbs, it's gotten rough and tough, as i've said. now that we're able to turn the corner and focus on both uniting the party and getting into a general election phase, we have to do exactly that. we have to go to communities and start talking to people that weren't necessarily part of the primary voter electorate. >> so you're going to focus on donald trump -- you're going to have donald trump going to hispanic communities, presumably, not calling them the hispanics but going to these hispanic communities and talking about his immigration plan? that's the plan to grow the base? >> well, i think you heard him talking about the importance of the hispanic coalition and i think, yeah, i would expect him -- look, he has employed a lot of people. he understands the importance of these people to the electorate and frank lip the concerns that they have. i think you're going to see him go to places and do things that hasn't in the past. i think he is committed to growing the party, the electorate and is a guy, look, say what you will about donald trump, he knows how to market -- he's a successful businessman and i think that he understands the importance of different populations to both winning an electorate but understanding their concerns and problems and how to present solution that is will be attractive to them and to other coalitions in america as we tend to move this country forward. >> sean spicer, always appreciate your time, sir, thank you. >> you bet, craig. thank you. let's get an update on how you are reacting to today's microsoft pulse question. can donald trump unite the republican party? here are the results so far. 63% of you say no. you can join the conversation. "the pulse" is still live. pulse.msnbc.com. we do want to get back to the breaking news right now out of minnesota about the days leading up to prince's death. i want to play some of that news conference that just wrapped up a few moments ago. this is the news conference where we learned new details about reported efforts to get prince help for drug addiction just hours before he died as well as the person who originally went to prince's house to talk to him about his fight with addiction issues. here is that news conference. >> when he arrived, prince was not available. couldn't initially find him. they saw representatives found him in an elevator unconscious. one of the staff members started screaming. andrew heard the screams and went to the elevator where he saw that prince was unconscious. andrew was the person to make the 911 call describing a medical emergency at paisley park. andrew is from california, didn't have the address for paisley park. the 911 call doesn't have an address. he didn't know the address except prince's place, paisley park. andrew and everyone at the scene was interviewed by the carver county sheriff's office that morning. andrew went back to san fr francisco that night. although andrew had in his possession small pills, those pills were to be delivered to the minnesota doctor. there were no pills, any type of medication, given to prince by andrew or by howard. those pills were taken into possession by the county sheriff. >> the man who was there to talk with prince about addiction issues was from recovery without walls in california. again, that news conference wrapping up just a short time ago there in minnesota. we continue to follow that story very closely. up next, though, the man who could be hillary clinton's not so secret weapon against donald trump. real is touching a ray. amazing is moving like one. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them. there is only one place where real and amazing live. seaworld. real. amazing ugh! heartburn! no one burns on my watch! try alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmm...amazing. i have heartburn. alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. from bank of america to buy a new gym bag. before earning 1% cash back everywhere, every time and 2% back at the grocery store. even before he got 3% back on gas. kenny used his bankamericard cash rewards credit card to join the wednesday night league. because he loves to play hoops. not jump through them. that's the excitement of rewarding connections. apply online or at a bank of america near you. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ hillary clinton, former secretary and form interinteriyiyiy. hillary clinton taking on the say anything brand master who never held elected office but has managed to reshape more than any political candidate. on policy, trump will talk be beefing up the military and forcing to do more on style. nothing will be off-limits. and clinton will tout her championship with women and clinton will also have a not so secret weapon largely on the sidelines so far. >> i think he is not somebody who even within the republican party can be considered as eq p equipped to deal with the problems of this office. >> is this too tacky for the donald? what could he possibly be doing instead? is he at home? eating a trump steak? tweeting out insults to andrea merkle? >> brad is a former obama senior straer strategist and former dnc participant. to what extent do you use president obama and how do you use him? >> i have to tell you, i would use him about everyday and every way possible. i want you to think about the polar opposite situation you see president obama in compared to where george w. bush was at the end of his presidency, and what a drag he was on republicans. the president had a joke about his approval ratings in the white house correspondence dinner the other night. the truth is it's absolutely true. he's at the highest approval rating he's been at since he was re-elected in 2012. i think he has the potential to be a huge asset for hillary clinton. the other thing here is not that he's popular and his policies are generally popular, it's also the stature. you look at the stature of the former secretary state and united states senator like hillary clinton and the stature of president obama and the caricature of a carnival barker that is donald trump, i think the american people, for them, it's not going to be a hard choice. >> joe biden, meanwhile, the vice president, was asked about this race a short time ago overs overseas, here's what he said. >> any comments about, any regrets not being in the race? >> i'm anticipating she will ask me to be vice president. i have nothing serious to say. >> oh, but i'm sure he does have something to say. >> i'm sure he does. >> how might the vice president -- how might he be used? >> well, i'll tell you, joe biden has such a strong connection to grassroots democrats and rank and file and everyday americans, he's got that hardscrabble upbringing in pennsylvania, somebody's a senator who went home on amtrak and back to work everyday, i think to the extent -- i don't buy into this notion somehow donald trump expands the map. you put up his unfavorable numbers. if you believe he can compete in a pennsylvania or ohio, i think vice president biden is the perfect person to make the case against donald trump, in those sta states. he has that strong connection. gosh, i would encourage secretary clinton to use all the assets of the obama coalition, including vice president biden. >> brad woodhouse, thank you. good to see you? thank you. >> we will be right back. trolling for a gig with braindrone? 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earlier during trump's speech at the city the convention center -- protestors breaking through the metal barriers surrounding the venue. some making their way inside. only to be dragged out by security. the personal attacks on hillary clinton began even before trump took the stage. >> i don't know who to choose. trump or hillary. even bill clinton chose other women. so you should, too! >> reporter: once onstage, trump going personal opting to make fun of clinton's voice. >> i will never say this, but she screams. it drives me crazy. >> reporter: and using some of his harshest language yet against clinton. >> i see this low life, she puts on an air. >> reporter: trump angry clinton is painting him as a greedy billionaire. this based on comments he made back in 2006 when he said he hodged to profit when the housing market collapsed. >> they've got some clip of me from many years ago where i'm saying, yeah, if did goes down i'm going to buy. i'm a businessman. that's what i'm supposed to do. >> reporter: clinton staying above the fray while campaigning in california. >> we have a bully pulpit in the white house, but that doesn't mean we want a bully in the white house. >> reporter: trump also criticizing mexico's republican governor susana martinez, also his tank. did that during his rally. martinez has not endorsed trump saying she was too busy to attend his rally. trump said she needed to do a better job improving conditions in her state. trump's next stop, anaheim, california where a number of people are already preparing for more protests. chris? alisyn? >> jason carroll, insightful reporting. now time to discuss. bring in cnn political analyst and host of the gordon graham show podcast, david gregory. and senior editor for "the daily beast" jackie kucinich and contributor for "the daily caller matt lewis. strategically showing up on the set today meaning you get more attention. so when you see what's going on last night what is your read on the significance to the candidacy? >> there's so much going on. talk about him attacking susana martinez. i thought there was an outside chance he might pick her as his running mate. this is a female latina, governor of new mexico. mexican-american. if donald trump wants to mend fences with the hispanic community, with women, maybe give cover to attack hilary, she might have been a good selection and here he is going into a state, attacking a sitting republican governor. >> because she didn't want to go to the rally. telegraphed basically she didn't want to be connected. >> think of the message this sends. if you are senator rob portman in ohio or senator pat toomey in pennsylvania, you better get in line. because if dnt coonald trump coo your town and october, that could basically sway an election. >> what does that do, jackie? if he's in a fight with susana martinez, what does that do? >> i don't know. it might backfire, because in a lot of these states, some of these politicians are beloved, actually, and when you're someone like a rob portman, if donald trump praise you you're getting attacked on the left and fund-raising ads sent out against you. so i don't know what the right thing to do is here, but certainly striking fear in the heart of republicans who don't show up and stand behind you at your rally, i just don't know what that that's going to work. >> what's worse, david -- having protestors knocking down the barriers, or having the man who introduced trump say, even hillary's husband chose other women. >> i think that was just a totally inappropriate comment. >> he did not correct it once he got up there as far as i understand. >> yeah, i know. look, donald trump has a decision to make. does he want to take this kind of road and try to become personally ugly with hillary clinton and have his supporters do the same and kind of carry on that campaign? and think that with that he's going to ease the anxieties that voters feel about his temperament, his kwqualificatio, how risky he is as a presidential choice? and how risky his foreign policy? either this attack or go to other issues. he needs to recognize even with the republican majority he is not a majority candidate. he may have 50% of the republican electorate, if he wants to get beyond that he has to deal with other issues, be more strategic and startinged in swing states rather than, as you talked about, going in, trashing a republican governor in probably a more democratic state, but it has been a swing state in the past, new mexico. so he's not showing he's making much of a pivot to the general election nap said, i don't think that these protests help the democrats' cause. i think the more of a law and order problem there appears to be at these trump rallies, i think that only plays to his strength. >> matt, ask you about the protest, quickly. these are anti-trump protestors. is there anything donald trump can do to quell some of the anger? >> well, i mean, as david was suggesting, donald trump may not want to strategically quell them? he may benefit from stoking them, even. but i do think whether it's bernie sanders, nevada or donald trump last night, new mexico. i think it's incumbent upon leaders, as bernie sanders suggesting, politics is messy, but let's not condone or encourage any sort of violence or unrest, but, you know, this is -- in some ways this is like a throwback to the nixon era almost, and donald trump could be a richard nixon. >> some of those protests, really, no matter where they crop up, there is an element of artifice there. there are these groups that go to each of these sites. we even saw them when we were in ferguson and baltimore. >> like professional agitators, you mean? >> i don't know if that's the right term, because i don't know what professional means in this context. >> right, but they end up showing up and people are so on edge that it's easy to take them over the edge. a little element, but no question what trump is seeing is a little earned, jackie, right? if that is a big latino population and they're referring to what he did before, but to david's point, i don't think it hurts him. i think had helps him. the bigger question for him is in terms of what tactics he's going to take against hilly that that -- hillary had is an answer to the problems versus just pointing out the problems. how's the balance there? >> i don't know there is a balance. donald trump hasn't really focused. as we said earlier, he's not really focused on a general election target yet. he still seems to be the donald trump we saw all of these months through the primaries. to your point about the protests. yeah. when there are irrational, chaotic-looking scenes, sure, that's not attracting people on the fence. that said, when you use incendiary rhetoric you get incendiary reactions. some of the things he's said have been very offensive to people and they're going to speak out. >> talk about the conversation in the past few days. donald trump invoked the, he calls it, mystery, surrounding vince foster, who was deputy counselality the white house during bill clinton's time, about the death of vince foster. that has been investigated time and again by police, by ken starr, by cnn. it was a suicide, but donald trump acts as if it's an open question. so what now? should the media go back and sort of remind voters about this and all the details, try to put it to rest, or there are con speary theorists out there and donald trump has always sort of been sympathetic to those? >> look, the people who are open to the relitigation of vince foster's death are not going to vote for hillary clinton anyway. so donald trump is speaking to conspiracy-minded people who are not based in reality on some of these stories anyhow and maybe part of his coalition. again, if you're donald trump at this point, you want to deal with a couple of things. you have a message that's about the future of country, and are you going to emphasize that? no question, she's hitting him on his past, he's going to hit her on her part and the messiness within clintons to reach younger, more persuade werable voters, but he still has a series of issues to deal with that are personal characteristics. whether people trust him, whether he's everything he says he is as a businessman, whether he can run our foreign policy and keep america secure. he's been unconventionally successful so far and he's unconventional. this is, what you're seeing from hillary clinton she's starting to jab him in the eye on business background, elizabeth warren, other surrogates driving this message home. we want to keep focus, to see what resonance this has versus his using instagram and a broader media. >> becomes a question of temperament for him, also. how does he deal with attacks? in the primaries it worked well. the counterpuncher, you came at me so i'm coming at you. to a lot that could read at poor temperament if you're going to take every provocation so seriously, what will happen when you're president? >> of all the things david gregory just raised, character, the same could be said about hillary clinton. what voters are trying to figure out about her. >> her defense, an unfortunate defense is vetting. talking about vince foster, why so much confidence saying i don't think it's there. it's been looked at five ways. whether all the gates, whatever you want to look at or bill clinton's past, this has been played out not just by us but special prosecution, commissions and committees. trump's risk is a lot of the stink on him that maybe we've heard about being here in new york has never been fully vetted does not have a special prosecutor behind it, a congress' committee behind it. does he really want to open up those chapters of his own life? we'll see? >> panel. thank you. stick around. first over to ana. >> talk about the democrats. hillary clinton campaigning hard in california hoping to avoid a primary defeat there in two weeks which would be embarrassing squeaked out a win in kentucky last week and now bernie sanders is calling for a canvassing of the results there. all this as some in the democratic party saying their chairwoman is too toxic and may have to go. senior washington correspondent joe johns joins us with more on this. joe? >> reporter: good morning, ana. the head of the democratic party again coming into focus after bernie sanders went after her over the weekend in the middle of a pitched campaign battle for california. the biggest prize of the primary season. there's no indication any democratic senators have launched a formal effort to get rid of debbie wasserman schultz, but the sanders' campaign can claim credit this morning for starting a conversation about it. on capitol hill, democratic senators discussing removing debbie wasserman schultz as the head of the party. one source saying many feel it would be a good idea. the source telling cnn there's fears she's become "too toxic in the ongoing democratic civil war." the feud between the dnc chair and the sanders campaign reaching a fever pitch after kay koss chaos erupted. >> throwing shade on the sanders campaign since the very beginning. >> reporter: supporting hillary clinton before the primaries even began, something she vehemently denied. >> san bernardino, thank you! >> reporter: sanders fighting on hoping to defeat clinton in the upcoming delegate-rich primary in california. secretary clinton less than 100 delegates away from clinching the nomination, looking towards the general election. >> i need your help in this upcoming primary, because we want to finish strong. >> reporter: and pledging to stop trump. >> why on earth would we elect somebody president who actually rooted for the collapse of the mortgage market? >> reporter: but sanders believes he would be the best challenger against the presumptive republican nominee. >> if we get the democrat innomination, donald trump is toast. >> reporter: and in the fight to gain traction, the sanders' campaign calling into question the results of last week's kentucky primary. in a statement the campaign says it's "requesting a full and complete recanvas of every one of the voting machines and absentee ballots." sanders lost to clinton by a razor-thin margin of roughly 1,900 votes. a clinton aide accusing him of raising more money for his campaign the battle for the california primary is clearly picking up. bernie sanders added stops to his campaign schedule there. the hillary clinton campaign is expected to continue its attacks on donald trump today for his comments and business focus around the time the housing bubble burst. alisyn? >> okay, joe. thanks so much for that preview. well, the 2004 sexual assault case against bill cosby will go to trial. a pennsylvania judge ordering there is enough evidence for him to face a jury on criminal charges. cnn jean casarez is live in norristown, pennsylvania with more. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. bill cosby's team really wanted to get these charges dismissed yesterday at one point yelling at the judge saying an american should not sit in a courtroom to have to go through this, but in the end the judge ruled, this case is proceeding to trial. a judge ruling there is enough evidence for bill cosby to stand trial for the alleged sex calle assault of a former several university employee in 2004. >> we only have to show that a crime's committed and the defendant's connected to the crime. it's a preliminary hearing. hearsay is admissible and we're just over the next hurdle in this. >> reporter: a police detective reading in court for the first time statements the accuser andrea constand made to police in 2005. in them she says cosby encouraged her to drink wine and take blue pills at his pennsylvania home. shortly after, she says her vision blurred. her legs were rubbery. she felt dizzy, frozen, scared and unable to speak. but was aware of cosby putting his hands on her breasts and down her pants. in cosby's only statement to police he admits to touching and kissing her and giving constand benadryl to help her relax but maintains the encounter was consensual. >> the point, it was intoxicating to her and she was unable to consent. >> reporter: the defense attacking constand's credibility saying parts of her statements were crossed out or redapted. >> presented an 11-year-old statement riddled with corrections and inconsistencies. >> reporter: they point to one incident at a casino where cosby was performing. he invited constand back to his whom. she says she initially laid down on the bed with cosby, their legs touching but later crossed that out saying the two were relaxed, close to one another. now, the big, looming question, will other accusers of bill cosby be allowed to testify at his trial? this is going to be a huge pretrial issue. there will probably be a big hearing in the courthouse behind me. the defense will say it is prejudicial to bill cosby. he's not on trial for these other women, but the prosecution will say it is probative. not to determine the guilt or innocence of these other women, but to show that bill cosby committed prior bad ax and that the intent was to sexually assault andrea constand. >> comes down to the weights of relevance versus the weight of prejudice. the judge will decide. thanks for keeping us on the loop in that one. so are we seeing another side of the sanders' effect on the party, just days after br bernie sanders calmed out debbie wasserman schultz accusing her of favoring hillary clinton. party leaders are considering removing their chairwoman. is she not jut toxic, but too toxic? next. poor mouth breather. allergies? stuffy nose? can't sleep? take that. a breathe right nasal strip instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than allergy medicine alone. shut your mouth and say goodnight, mouthbreathers. breathe right. mobility is very important to me. that's why i use e*trade mobile. it's on all my mobile devices, so it suits my mobile lifestyle. and it keeps my investments fully mobile... even when i'm on the move. sign up at etrade.com and get up to six hundred dollars. youthat's why you drink ensure. sidelined. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you. ugh. heartburn.g ] sorry ma'am. no burning here. try new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmmm. incredible. looks tasty. you don't have heartburn. new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. enjoy the relief. world saleilton is on honors members save up to 25% on brands like hampton, doubletree, hilton garden inn, and waldorf astoria so stop clicking around. book direct at hilton.com now that's satisfaction. ♪ you wish your dog could fight off fleas and ticks. but since he can't... you rely on frontline plus. because frontline plus unleashes a deadly killing force to kills fleas and ticks, plus flea eggs and larvae, preventing a new flea infestation. its protection lasts a full 30 days. no wonder frontline plus is recommended by vets for killing fleas and ticks. after all, your dog is a lover not a fighter. frontline plus. vet recommended flea and tick killer. okay. sources tell cnn that leading democrats are considering whether debbie wasserman schultz should be removed as dnc chair, saying she may have become too toxic after exchanging some strong words with bernie sanders. >> toxic isn't enough. only in politics is toxic not the bar. >> that's right. we'll have britney spears weigh in on that later. let's discuss with our panel, david gregory, jackie kucinich and matt lewis. matt, can she be removed? is this the right cause if she's exchanged strong words with bernie sanders? >> it's actually part of a larger narrative that bernie sanders is saying the game is rigged. he's calling for a recanvassing in kentucky. that's a state where you had a hillary clinton supporter who called the election before the a.p. there is sort of a pattern where at least the appearance that the game is rigged against bernie sanders, and going into a convention where it's going to be contentious, chaotic, messy, as bernie sanders said, if you wanted to quell that chaos, maybe having a different chairperson would be a good idea. >> but this ultimately is, if hillary clinton is the nominee, it is her decision, and debbie wasserman schultz has been a hillary clinton loyalist from the very beginning, and she is a great fund-raiser. she has a lot going for her. >> but not going anywhere? >> it's up to hillary clinton and her campaign and right now hillary clinton is saying it would be too messy. to use that word. >> she's not going to go down quietly. will not go into that, good night. she signaled before if anybody tries to oust her from her perch she will go on the -- >> it's happened before. she's a very controversial figure and there are behind st. scenes kind of -- >> back-stabbing. >> coups. >> don't call them coups because you can't take power from a chair. it valley a top-down organization. the president when in power. when not in power, it's a little different. it's your call. >> yes. >> so the idea of like, an insurgency is a little misleading and, also, the feeling, david gregory is she's not the root of the problem in the party. it's the disconnect in the democrat population of what they want out of a nominee. >> well, yeah, but i do think this is overblown. i mean, yes, we keep saying, the rules in the parties, in both parties, favors the insider. it is not meant to elevate the unconventional outside candidate. that's true in the republican side, and it's probably truer on the democratic side with the super delegates. but the answer to this is to win. and bernie sanders is not going to win. >> but it sounds bad, david. you describe it benignly there, but still sounds bad. >> i disagree. >> sounds like these parties are undemocratic. >> right. because they are designed, the rules are sdirn eddesigned in a making it very difficult for someone who is an unconventional candidate to break through. that's just the fact of the matter. the reality is this year you have unconventional candidates who have broken through. >> right. >> look, hillary clinton had a lot of control over the democratic party back in 2008, but she didn't win, because barack obama was stronger, won more pledged delegates, had a different kind of organization to do that across the country. so, look, bernie sanders, this is messy. part of the angst about debbie wasserman schultz, it's been going on a long time, don't forget, bernie sanders supporters, acting the way they did out in las vegas was not appropriate. he's got to be able to own that, and the other piece of it, all of these people representing him, disproportionate amount on the platform committee, he'll have a big role in the convention. there is certainly discord within the democratic party. it's not as big as we've seen and are seeing on the republican side, and there are some real challenges for hillary clinton to bring over bernie sanders supporters. all of that is true, even if the other truth is she's still winning both on pledged delegates and on the super delegates. >> matt, talk about what happened a as d.c. gala. elizabeth warren, the speaker, picked occupy the thread that hillary clinton had talked about the past couple of days nap is that donald trump had been rooting in one statement for housing collapse because then he could gobble up property more cheaply. and elizabeth warren basically said who does that? who roots for people to lose their houses? that's sort of anti-america is what she suggested. is elizabeth warren and hillary clinton coordinating their messages or is elizabeth warren just doing this sort of freelance on her own? >> i think they clearically are. not just elizabeth warren and hillary clinton it's all. coordinating a message. that's what it's going to take. number one, you need a good message. it's unclear to me whether or not this works because donald trump just says, look, i was a businessman. >> sure did. >> but -- >> he owns it. totally. >> but even if you settle on a good message, then you can't just throw it out once. it has to be a consistent drum beat, and we're going to test now. they're going to test whether or not that actually resonates. >> well, jackie, talk about what her potency is, elizabeth warren. what does she off jer the closest thing to sanders that clinton has. many people thought that elizabeth warren should have carried the message that bernie sanders is carrying as a nominee. and she has another thing going with trump. trump calling her the pocahontas stuff sets her up, how about what he said about me? may be more powerful than the stuff he did in 2006. that does not make him unique. >> getting under his skin. she bothers him, and when you're talking about donald trump you kind of want to get him off kilter. goes to temperament. he hasn't been able to get a wrap on when people get under his skin and really irritate him. he tends to go off, and elizabeth warning has been successful in setting him off. >> you have to mock him. it if i were advising hillary clinton i would say hire comedians. hollywood loves liberals. bring in people who it kel you -- barack obama does a very good job of this. >> delivery is key. >> marco rubio tried to do this, and there was something there. >> but you can't mock the motivation of those who support him. that's the mistake that people make. >> true. >> you see trump, you may want to see him as cartoonist. gregory, button it up for us. you've made the point many times. if you mock him one thing. if you mock why people are behind him, that's another. >> i aindustry with that, but i think you can keep it trained on him. elizabeth warren is getting under his skin, in part not only because she can go toe to toe with him, but what does he actually know? ask frank dodd, three things in the law. she keeps jabbing at that. she can be a very effective surrogate, i think, for hillary clinton. again, they want message discipline here and to keep going, defining him knurlearly way that can hurt him. >> that's what a surrogate is. >> gets to ana. a lot happening overseas this morning just days after their leader was killed by a u.s. drone strike, the afghan taliban has a new chief. what do we know about this new leadership? we'll have a closer look when "new day" continues. doesn't it seem like the wireless world today could use a smile? at cricket wireless, we think so. that's why, prices for plans are all in, taxes and fees included. and we've got more 4g lte coverage nationwide than t-mobile or sprint. that's a whote lotta network for not a lot a dough. it's what makes cricket the happiest place in the whole wireless world. or building the best houses in town. or becoming the next highly-unlikely dotcom superstar. and us, we'll be right there with you, helping with the questions you need answered to get your brand new business started. we're legalzoom and we've already partnered with over a million new business owners to do just that. check us out today to see how you can become one of them. legalzoom. legal help is here. think fixing your windshield is a big hassle? 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given one, on the bed together, lying near each other then crossed those out. >> remember, thoughts basically unknown. an idea of inconsistencies. the fact she crossed them out. we learned the police alternating typing the statement. in other words, took turns typing and listening. then the other one typed and listen. >> why is that a problem? >> it's strange, because i haven't heard of it, and part two, one was typing, one living and one of the officers left as the statement was being corrected by constand. so in the world of -- in the world of taking a statement, paul can tell you this, typically not recorded, audio, video, otherwise. in that instance, if you can show that the system was questionable for taking the statement, it may cast doubt on that statement, but there have been other statements that constand's gave that i think the defense can exploit, but far and away, make no mistake about it, the biggest danger to the defense is what's called prior bad acts under rule 404b. >> we'll get into that. worpt other women can come up and be part of this case. paul, the challenges for the prosecution? >> i think bill cosby is toast after this hearing, because what it demonstrated, rather graphically, is that the prosecution has a very strong case here. first of all, they're going to, cosby walk sboos into court wit black cloud with 50 women who made charges against him. it's not admissible in court. >> are you sure it's not? how do we know the other accusers can't -- >> we're not talking about 50. danny would say, 50 women won't be able to come in against him. >> sure. >> however, you might be able to get four or five and use this evidence, signature crime evidence to say, you know something? when he uses drugs of this kind, it's a pattern for him. this is how he gets women into bed. this is how he sexually abuses him. he drugs them, gives them alcohol and when they're paralyzed he attacks them and they're going to say, that's exactly what was done in this case, but i think finally the most important thing and why prosecution is probably going to win the case, he corroborates her testimony, because he admits he gave her drugs. he admits -- >> benadryl, admits he did it to relax her. >> exactly. for what? >> as we know, dozens of other accusers and none of those have gone to trial. will their voices be heard in this case? >> the prosecution will file a motion in this case, surely, to try and admit as many of these accusers as they can and it raises sort of a justice issue. if the prosecution's case in chief has plenty of inconsistencies and is weak, then is it fair in our system you have a weak prosecution case that a bolstered by evidence of other acts that come in and paul's exactly right. the law presumes these other accusers do not come into evidence, but it's the numbers game. if you have 50 accusers, and 3 or 4 come in, that's 3 or 4 people who will come in and testify that this person on this day did something so similar, and you have to ask, doesn't that prejudice the jury? doesn't that -- is that evidence always prejudicial? our law says, not always. >> hmm. paul, even if they don't come into the courtroom, we've heard of them. they've been in the media for the past two years. so what are the challenges there? as this case continues? >> an enormous challenge in picking a jury here that will say, a, they haven't heard about the details of the case, or, b, more likely, that even though they've heard about it, they can put it aside and based case on the evidence. i think particularly with sexual crimes we all have in our mind if you've done it on repeated prior occasions you probably did it on this occasion. so that kind of atmosphere is particularly prejudicial to a defd and i think it's really going to hurt cosby terrible in this case. >> danny, paul thinks cosby will be convicted. >> i don't. i think an acquittal. the witness has credibility problems. there may be problems with delay in reporting which is admissible under pennsylvania law and, again, the greatest threat is going to be in the pre-trial battleground. whether or not any of these additional accusers will be allowed to come in and testify, and if that ends up being the critical fact, it must leave us wondering, shouldn't a defendant be tried for what he is accused of doing and not for what a bunch of other people said he did at other dates in time? 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let's discuss. brian stelter, cnn media analyst and bill carter, also cnn media analyst. we know why you do this, bill, because it works. people love conspiracy theories. they love the probative value of the unknown. questions that you won't answer or can't answer. that's the no-brainer parts of this. right? >> yes that is, but also, when you're a presidential candidate you're expected to have certain responsibility in terms of the facts, and not just throw things out there. >> are you? >> yeah, i think you are supposed to. and in the past we've seen people make a single gaffe, and it really cost them, and in the case of trump, it's not costing him. he's able to sort of get away with it, and partly it's because he's not really been seriously confronted with it too often. >> but even when confronted by the fax, even when we as journalists call him out, he doubles down. almost as if he says it over and over and over again, making it true. >> an example, last fall. saw it six months. his statement about thousands of muslims cheering. no evidence of that and contrary evidence to prove it's not true. yet when confronted with the facts, he doubled down. >> not just that it happened, i actually saw t. on the top of the list is important. the birther controversy from several years ago, the very first with donald trump. a preview what was to come. >> one of the few things he won't talk about anymore. winds up having a different angle which is -- >> old news. >> he will not talk about it. >> it's all news. >> but the damage done. doesn't matter anymore. everyone knows what he thinks. >> talk about that, bill. what is the responsibility of the media? one one of these conspiracy theories are revived, how many time do we, the media, need to spend going back for a tutorial to give the american public, here's what happened, who investigated, here's the date -- take as long time to do that. is it incumbent upon us to do it for each of these now? >> we do have to say at some point, this isn't true. if you're interviewing him now and he throws that out. you have to say, no. that's not true. jake tapper did this yesterday pretty effectively i thought. one of the things trump uses, the oldest rhetorical technique going, it's called preyderigpre. it's not me saying this, but it's out there. trying not to let it stick to him. >> you blame "the washington post." why? >> because the "post" asked him a question about vince foster, almost like poking a bear or doing sort of a test, trying out conspiracy theories on trump to see if he believes them. >> and they didn't have go there. the "washington post" didn't have go there. >> it's all about trump's response. probably questionable for a media outlet to ask a candidate about conspiracy theories but fundamentally about the candidate' response. in this case, trump missed media literacy class. you read something online, you have to check it out. >> he's bringing stuch ff up. that's the other side. >> you might be right right. i don't want to believe that. >> i think he's writing the book. becoming the personification of people's doubts, fears and frustrations. that's what he does. whether saying president obama wasn't born here. there was never any compelling proof of any of this. >> but 25% of americans do believe that. we have a list -- >> those people are all going to vote for any anyway. >> doesn't mean you indulge him. >> what? ask him whether aliens landed here, whether we actually went to the moon? >> look at this list. research that has been done about popular conspiracy theories and the percentage you see there is the percentage of people who were surveyed on this about what they believed, and that's how many people believed in this different theories. now, the researchers -- >> absolutely are. >> eric oliver and thomas ward, political scientists who did this research in 2006 and basically say these conspiracy theories can thrive when it's a time of political distrust, when people are seeking to make sense of something that they are finding really uncomfortable, and trump is filling that void for them. >> well, i think, if you go back into the birther thing, it spoke to kind of a hostility towards the president. >> sure. >> and he wanted to tap into that. so i think he's reaching sort of a mean-spirited place in a lot of people. >> remember, some of these conspiracy theories, one single grain of truth. hard to find, but when trump brings up clinton's past, even though the moff are fake scandals, there might be some truth. >> the big truth he hasn't factored in, all of this stuff about the clintons may move some people. i agree with david gregory. if you feel about this, you're not going to vote for her anyway, but the stuff about him has not been vetted by special prowse kurts and tprosecutors. so much stuff he is inviting into this. i am not looking forward to this. >> journalists have a lot of work to do there's a lot to work with. >> brian, bill, thank you. >> the state of play in the party and also events around the world. there is a lot of news this morning. so let's get right to it. anti-trump protestors turning violence. >> you'll be fine. >> some people are just allergic to the facts. >> she goes, he wanted to buy housing when it was at a low point. who the hell doesn't? >> we want to see his tax returns. that's right. let's see what you got there. >> we're in what i call a wwe raw state. >> call me old-fashioned. i think it matters what you say when you're running for president. >> i will not accept, somebody runs against me and buys the election. >> i need your help. we want to finish strong. >> people are catching on that they are the future. >> we had a meltdown when it came to airport security. >> people are sick and tired of waiting. >> i got here about three, two and a half hours early. still wasn't enough time. >> talking federal security. a disturbing scenario. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." it is wednesday, may 25th. 6:00 in the east. ana cabrera joining us. >> coming in on a hump day. not bad. >> help us get through the hardest day of the week. breaking news, a chaotic scene in new mexico. anti-trump protestors turning violent. demonstrators clashes with police, pushing through barriers, disrupting the rail. >> the mayhem comes as trump wins one more state. the presumptive gop nominee easily winning the washington state primary. trump is now just eight delegates away from officially clinching the nomination. meanwhile, the division in the democratic party could be reaching a breaking point. we have the 2016 race covered the way only cnn can. we begin with jason carroll. good morning, jason. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. last night donald trump promised to do everything from repealing and replacing obama care to improving tsa lines during that ratty. he also predicted he would win over hispanics. last night was another example of trump's problem with hispanics is not going away. >> reporter: overnight, police in riot gear blasting pepper spray. >> [ bleep ] push her [ bleep ] to the ground! >> reporter: and using smoke grenades to disburse anti-donald trump protestors outside his rally in albuquerque, new mexico. >> start moving! >> reporter: -- hours after the presumptive gop nominee's speech. >> get back! >> reporter: dozens of protestors stomping on police cars. and throwing rocks and bottles at police, injuring several officers. earlier during trump's speech at the city the convention center -- protestors breaking through the metal barriers surrounding the venue. some making their way inside. only to be dragged out by security. inside, trump criticizing new mexico's republican governor susannah martinez who is also hispanic. >> since 2000 the number of people on food stamps in new mexico has tripled. we have to get your governor to get going. she's got to do a better job. okay? hey! maybe i'll run for governor of new mexico. i'll get this place going. >> reporter: but the bulk of trump's personal attacks set on targeting hillary clinton, trump opting to make fun of her voice. >> i will never say this. but she screams. it drives me crazy. >> reporter: and using some of his harshest language yet against clinton. >> i see this low life. she puts on an air. >> reporter: angry clinton is painting trump as a greedy billionaire based on comments made in 2006 when he said he hoped to profit when the housing market collapsed. >> they have a clip of me saying, if it goes down i'm going to buy -- i'm a businessman. that's what i'm supposed to do. >> reporter: democratic senator elizabeth warren going after trump for his past business practices. >> donald trump was drooling over the idea of a housing meltdown, because it meant he could buy up more property on the cheap. what kind of a man does that? it is a man who cares about no one but himself. >> reporter: senator elizabeth warren and trump have been going back and forth for some time now. at one point, alisyn, she called him a small, insecure money monger. last night trump said she faked her american heritage. something warren denies. >> a lot to talk about. bring in kellyanne conway, cnn political commentator, former reagan white house political director and trump supporter jeffrey lord and former communications director for jeb bush's campaign, tim miller. okay. great to have all of you. a lot has happened in the past 24 hours. jeffrey, start with you. quickly touch on the violence we saw. the anti-trump violence last night at this rally. is there anything that donald trump can or should do to try to quell that violence outside of his rallies? >> look, these are the kind of folks do this for decades, long before donald trump was on the scene. these are the kind of folks that get involved in occupy wall street or the anti-vietnam war protests where they commit violence. this is what they do, and politically speaking i have to say, you know, you look at this last night, and you say to yourself, are these people secretly on donald trump's payroll? to be going after the police, for heaven's sake? to be attacking the police as they did, throwing rocks and bottles, all this. all that's going to do is produce exactly the kind of television pictures you've shown this morning, and that will help donald trump. i mean, it's disgraceful. >> sure. it is disgraceful. is there anything donald trump should do? can he control anything? >> we all agree with jeffrey, probably. absolutely, these folks are helping donald trump. peaceful protestors, okay. this is not acceptable. >> inside the rally, donald trump went after susana martinez, governor of new mexico. no one saw that one coming. saying things like, she's not doing her job. she's putting her state at risk by accepting syrian refugees. she, then, read this statement to you, her press people put out this statement's apparently donald trump doesn't realize governor martinez was not elected in 2000, fought for welfaree worm. the pot shots were about politics and the governor will not be bullied into supporting the candidate until she's convinced that candidate will fight for new mexico. she didn't hear anything about helping mexicans today. what's happening? they're supposed to be on the same team. >> republicans have done well presidentially with the exception of president obama in 2008 and 2012. >> her endorsement? criticizing her? >> no. it's not. perhaps he'll meet with her separately. she actually was a keynote speaker last month here in new york and did not criticize donald trump only spoke about what she's done in new motion coe. seems mild compared to what's going on between sanders and hillary clinton. that's where the real heat is these days. >> let's stape with donald trump. >> just yesterday, paul manafort, top advisers in the senate telling senators, if you want to disagree with donald trump on an issue, no worries. he understands that. we can take different sides. really, paul? the next speech he gives after that, he has no self-control. he attacks susana martinez publicly. if anyone slights him even a little bit, donald trump goes off the rails. do we want this guy in charge of the irs after conservatives are complaining about irs targeting? >> go ahead, jeffrey. >> not to put to fine a point on it, but voters decided. it's over. he's going to be the republican nominee for president. >> i agree with that. no, i'm saying that he shouldn't be the president. >> one more second. >> wait until november. >> donald trump always says he's a counter puncher. how did susana martinez start this fight? >> i was looking at this last night, and she was. she gave some, some talks -- there was a private talk in april and word leaked out she was critical of donald trump and said she played the identity politics card. which is a cancer inside the republican party. >> what does that mean? played the identity -- >> what does that mean? >> yes. how did she play the politics identity card? >> told these people according to accounts i was reading in the "washington post," i believe, she was insulted about things he was saying because she's a latina. she's not a latina. she is an american citizen. she's an american. >> she is the only latina governor in the country. >> race has nothing to do with this. >> donald trump, a problem with hispanics should be bear hugging her. she's successful, poll lpular. why is he attacking her besides his thin skin? >> this is the party of lincoln. enough said. >> i want to ask you about something else that happened last night. that is elizabeth warren was in washington, d.c. at a gail la. she spoke out about donald trump. in a political royale. she picked on the thread hillary clinton has been saying about donald trump seeming to cheer or root for the housing market to crash. so listen to elizabeth warren last night. >> donald trump was drooling over the idea of a housing meltdown, because it meant he could buy up more property on the cheap. what kind of a man does that? what kind of a man roots for people to get thrown out of their house? what kind of man roots for people to get thrown out of their jobs, to root for people to lose their pensions. to root for two little girls in clark county to end up living out of a van? what kind of a man does that? i'll tell you exactly what kind of a man does that. it is a man who cares about no one but himself. a small -- [ applause ] -- a small, insecure, money grubber who doesn't care who gets hurt so long as he makes a profit off it. what -- what kind of a man does that? a man who will never be president of the united states. >> okay. so kelly ann, the crowd loved it. your response? >> a democratic liberal crowd. of course they're going to love it. my response, i'm amazed the left camp ignores donald trump. all responding to him. hillary clinton gets new cycling gobbled way by donald trump and elizabeth warren is complicit she's go going to complain, hillary clinton got $21.5 million. they want to hear donald trump. be honest who made what kind of money where and how. just yesterday the "daily caller" a riveting report about a donor to the clinton foundation giving, getting $100 million worth of mineral rights. when she was secretary of state. follow the real money here. >> jeffrey, first one. go ahead. >> yeah. one of the things that's not being mentioned here is that bill clinton's housing policy specifically his national home ownership partnership strategy was according to -- a book calmed "reckless endangerment" by a "new york times" reporter decimated the middle class, was responsible for the 2008 housing crisis, which was the worst crisis since the great depression. what they're talking about here is a policy of bill clinton that resulted in these problems, and she's trying to go after donald trump? i mean what a joke. >> okay. tim, what do you think about this? >> i say she is -- hate being on the side of defending elizabeth warren. she's better than hillary clinton. so hillary clinton can take lessons from her technically. jeffrey points out about bill clinton exactly right. it's unfortunate our nominee is the worst possible vessel to make that case against him and he start add subprime mortgage company a year before the crisis. you know, he made comments of this nature and i think it will hurt nim states lie ohio, pennsylvania, nevada in particular. >> i disagree. a great vessel, because he wasn't in public life. he wasn't a politician when all of these policies were being made. >> and seen as having worked against the american -- her personalizing to two little girls living out of a van, how does that not hurt trump? >> because of bill clinton's policies. >> that he supported. donald was a democrat then, by the way. >> comes full circle. >> this is complicated. >> disingenuous to politicize two little girls and make it sound like he got on his jet and put them in a van. >> try to put a human face. >> donald trump is not mitt romney. he's teflon don. >> before donald trump started conspiracy theories about bill clinton supported him called him a great man supported the clinton foundation. he's an absolutely non-credible person to make these cases. >> and we will get to all of the bill clinton stuff later in the program, jeffrey, thank you, kelly ann, tim, thanks so much for being here. turn to the democrats now. bernie sanders is fighting for every last delegate calling for a recanvassing now of last week's kentucky primary. the results there and essentially asking to double check the vote tally. and his recent criticism of dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz may have put her job in jeopardy. haven't haven't senior correspondent joe johns is live now with more. joe? >> reporter: ana, head of the democratic party again coming into focus after bernie sanders went after her over the weekend in the middle of this pitched campaign battle for california, the biggest prize of the primary season. no indication any democratic senators launched a formal effort to get rid of debbie wasserman schultz, but the sanders campaign can claim credit this morning for starting a conversation about it. on capitol hill, democratic senators discussing removing debbie wasserman schultz as the head of the party. one source saying many feel it would be a good idea. the source telling cnn there's fears she's become "too toxic in the ongoing democratic civil war." the feud between the dnc chair and the sanders campaign reaching a fever pitch after kay chaos erupted. this as the nevada democratic convention. >> she's been throwing shade on the sanders' campaign since the very beginning. >> reporter: sanders accusing her of supporting hillary clinton before the primaries even began, something she vehemently denied. >> san bernardino, thank you! >> reporter: sanders fighting on hoping to defeat clinton in the upcoming delegate-rich primary in california. secretary clinton less than 100 delegates away from clinching the nomination, looking towards the general election. >> i need your help in this upcoming primary, because we want to finish strong. >> reporter: and pledging to stop trump. >> why on earth would we elect somebody president who actually rooted for the collapse of the mortgage market? >> reporter: but sanders believes he would be the best challenger against the presumptive republican nominee. >> if we get the democratic nomination, donald trump is toast. >> reporter: and in the fight to gain traction, the sanders' campaign calling into question the results of last week's kentucky primary. in a statement the campaign says it's "requesting a full and complete recanvas of every one of the voting machines and absentee ballots." sanders lost to clinton by a razor-thin margin of roughly 1,900 votes. a clinton aide accusing sanders of raising more money for his campaign. the battle for the california primary is clearly picking up. bernie sanders added stops to his campaign schedule there. the hillary clinton campaign is expected to continue its attacks on dnt for his -- donald trump for his comments and actions around the time the housing bubble burst. chris? the taliban wasting no time to appoint a new leader, terrorist named high betula akhunzada to replace him. the son of omar who led the taliban before his death in 2013. to get a day in court. a pennsylvania judge ruling there is enough evidence to proceed with a criminal trial for sexual assault charges against bill cosby. more than 50 women accused him of sexual misconduct. he repeatedly denied the allegations. bernie sanders causing more headaches for the clinton campaign by questioning results in kentucky and now he may spell big trouble for the chair of the dnc. more on this coming up. it's true what they say. technology moves faster than ever. the all-new audi a4, with apple carplay integration. dogs - sure can be messy. but with nexgard, their flea and tick killer doesn't have to be. nexgard, the vet's #1 choice for dogs, is a delicious, beef-flavored chew that kills both fleas and ticks. so it's easy to give, easy to take. reported side effects include vomiting, itching, diarrhea, lethargy and lack of appetite. use with caution in dogs with a history of seizures. why mess around? 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let's discuss with former ohio state senator nina turner, a sanders campaign surrogate. good to have you on the show face to face. >> yes. >> so what is the goal in kentucky? there's only one delegate, really, that would be up your grabs in this situation. what's the point? >> i mean, it matters. you know, in terms of the integrity of the election, it matters. he's not asking for a full recount, but the recanvas just to look at that. >> what's the difference between a recanvas and a recount? >> just looking at totals. not going in recounting every single ballot that was cast, and it was a razor-thin margin between him and the secretary, but more importantly, chris, not getting a lot of traction, is the fact that the current secretary of state, you know, made an endorsement, i don't think any chief elections officer, whether republican or democrat, in kentucky, and she called the, the election even before, you know it was officially called by the media. so the recanvas is the appropriate thing to protect the integrity of the election. >> unless you're going to tie her endorsement of hillary to some type of perversion of the process, there are different complaints. one is, i don't know if the system worked. the voting system. right? which wouldn't just be about bernie but everybody. >> absolutely. >> the other is this party is set up to defeat me? >> let me just say this -- if it had been a republican i remember in ohio, chris, you may remember when then secretary of state kim blackwell was very engaged in the bush campaign, on committee and all of that. i personally feel, especially somebody who ran for secretary of state in 2014 you have to be an honest arbiter. two separate issues and also speaks to the faith that people have or do not have in the system itself. >> good. let's discuss that. is sanders, and by extension you, by the way, giving too much doubt to the process? the rules are what they are. nothing has been changed to disadvantage bernie sanders. these are the same rules, for example that in 2008 senator barack obama had to battle through. the party system is clear. it's set up to advantage people who come from within that system but he overcame it. those are the rules, you know it. no surprises. why all the complaining? that doesn't mean the rules don't need to be change. senator sanders has been a beacon of light in the entire process. an example. about 120,000 folks in brooklyn were thrown off the rolls for some reason. democrats, those of us who hold ourselves up to care about elections integrity, access to the ballot box should be crying bloody murder. one of the reasons we're probably not is because lots of democrats control new york. fair is fair. the whole notion we disenfranchise about 3 million in new york and start talking about disenfranchising, open primaries, those are the rules. whether or not we should look at those and try to change them for the better. were you know better you should do better. >> so what does -- why does it sound like whining? he only started making these claims when he started losing. he's down at least 2.2 million votes cast more in favor for clinton than him. the 3 million number, gets dicey because of caucuses. >> yes. >> i got you. >> okay. >> take the lowest possible number. >> okay. >> he's still down by 2 million votes. >> but still running. >> absolutely. he should be. >> drawing attention to a thing does not mean that you're whiningsoap folks on the other side want to call it that, but if you can improve a system, that is really the job here, it's not just that he is running for president. but he is trying to improve the systems as we go on so hopefully next time -- >> seems the risk is, though, he's undermining confidence in the party at a time, especially now, where you guys got to figure out what you're going to do do. you have a big formidable machine coming at you in the form of donald trump and ironically banking on him being a divider. he is bringing that party together and you guys are moving apart. >> don't say you guys. >> democrats -- >> this is about the people, and for far too long we've been talking about "the parties." in all of this, the people are lost. it really is the values of the party that we should be uplifting and not the party itself. lots of work is going to have to be done, but that's what democracy, what representatives, we live in a republic that is really what it's about. it's not going to be pretty. so it's not the job to protect a party. >> not pretty, but will it be productive? >> absolutely it will. change is for the better are productive. it doesn't mean as my senator said, messy. messy doesn't necessarily mean violence. let me say this, too, chris. what happens in new mexico compared to nevada while some in the media continue to talk about violence in nevada which i was there, compared to what happened in -- new mexico was violence. new mexico -- nevada was people lifting their voices. >> relatively it was, you can also argue what happened in nevada has no place in democracy either. >> what did they do? go to great britain in a parliament. they stand up and boo each other all day long. i was in that room at least eight hour. no one was hurt. no violence was prop gaagated i that room. i have a problem with folks calling that violence. yes, people lifted their voices. they got up in front of the stage. they said, you cheat. you're cheating. that is a big difference -- >> stuff thrown as well. >> ah -- nothing. what chair? did you see the video of a chair thrown? >> those are the reports from the floor. >> oh, my lord, jesus. no. it did not happen. >> why you have to bring him into this? >> i got to. i need him in this process, we need some jesus. >> thank you so much. so happy to have you make the case here. you know that. >> thank you. chris, donald trump campaigning like it's 1999. bringing up scandals from president bill clinton's time in office. will that strategy work against hillary clinton in the year 2016? john avalon and market hoover here with their take. get ready for the rio olympic games by switching to xfinity x1. show me gymnastics. x1 lets you search by sport, watch nbc's highlights and catch every live event on your tv with nbc sports live extra. i'm getting ready. are you? x1 will change the way you experience nbcuniversal's coverage of the rio olympic games. call or go online today to switch to x1. it's the old stories dominating the current political climate. dnt hoping his constant reminders of past troubles for the clintons will essentially scare away voters from hillary clinton and the likely democratic nominee. so is this a good strategy? cnn chief political correspondent dana bash take as closer look. >> reporter: it is political guerrilla warfare. >> hillary clinton's husband abused women more than any man that we know of in the history of politics, right? >> reporter: a source familiar with donald trump's campaign strategy tells cnn that trump dredging up tawdry, unproven allegations about bill clinton's past is not based on data or focus groups from his new pollster or partner the republican national committee. >> she's married to a man who hurt many women. >> reporter: instead cnn is told this is vintage trump going with his guff and shooting from the hip going after this ad from a pro-clinton camp. >> a good body, no. >> attacked him as being a massam massa massagenist. that's not true. >> reporter: attacking hillary clinton of an enabler, like in the midst of bill clinton's scandal with monica lewinsky. >> can you imagine how controversy? how about me with the women? >> reporter: even ten years later in 2008. >> look at the trouble bill clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant, and they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. >> reporter: here's how a longtime trump confidant explained his 180. >> all b.s.? a. private citizen who was friendly with the clintons trying to protect a friend. all right? now it's a different game. >> reporter: and then there are conspiracy theories, like the false charge that bill clinton's white house counsel vince foster was murdered, despite multiple investigations ruling it a suicide. trump told the "washington post," foster's death was "very fishy" but said, i will say there are people who continue to bring it up, because they think it was absolutely a murder. i don't do that, because i don't think it's fair. even that feeds the 2016 campaign conversation, which bill clinton himself clearly saw coming, saying, this just last week -- >> you think the stuff they said about her is bad? they accused me of murder. i mean, our memories are short. it's what they do. >> reporter: some sources close to clinton are urging her not to take what they call trump's bait. >> i know that that's exactly what he is fishing for, and, you know, i'm not going to be responding. >> reporter: dana bash, cnn, washington. okay. so let's discuss all of this with our cnn political commentator and republican consultant margaret hoover and cnn political analyst and editor-in-chief of the "daily beast" john avalon. the argument from trump supporters. this may be old news, the clinton sex scandals, we lived through it in the '90s, however there's a whole crop of millennials that are voters that may not know about this, and they may be somehow poisoned against the clintons by hearing about this now. john, go. >> yeah. look, i mean, there is a generation that was not politically aware or alive that can vote now when all of these scandals first got resuscitated, but go into the garbage dump and bringing out all the old con spearies, paperbacks and vhss and airing them -- make a distinction. the self-inflicted sex scandals of the clinton years absolutely credible. some of the other scandals totally credible. the conspiracy theories -- we need to separate out the vince foster stuff. that's where all of a sudden you are trolling the american people, you're, you know, your typical bully pretending they're a victim and it really is indulging all the conspiracy theorists totally discredited and we need to call that out. the sex scandal is of public record and we need to own it and up to donald trump to protect himself on these matters. >> what's interesting, donald trump, the presumptive nominee of the republican party, running a republican opposition playbook from the 1990s, from two decades ago. plenty of research on hillary clinton from one decade ago and this decade let alone her tenure as secretary of state. the e-mail scandal, substantive and policy positions, contrast, one could draw with hillary clinton and real, i think, moral arguments to make about some of her choices as secretary of state. >> yawn, yawn, yawn. >> chris icily. >> what you're doing, seeing a candidate -- who is running to the right trying to lock up the conservative base of a non-party who didn't vote for him in this nominating process, but running for a general election now and -- >> he is doing -- >> people don't care about this. >> during primaries, let me beat you down and wait until i get ahold of hillary. this is what he told you he was going to do. his guy on the show yesterday saying, just wait. this is only the beginning, and the answer to alisyn's question is a simple one-word answer. yes. does it work? yes, it works. >> how do you know? >> it hasn't worked -- >> this has all worked for him. >> her ratings went up. the last time they went after -- >> favorable. it will work. whether right or not is different. >> the last time we litigated all this -- >> actually pull back from my -- >> their ratings went up. >> hold on. >> that i believe is a little myth, by the way. we don't know why her numbers went up, just the attacks were going on at the same time. but there are a lot of other factors. i'm unimpressed by what you've sead so far. >> as a republican, guess what happened when we ran that playbook in the 1990s. hillary clinton was the sympathetic figure of that entire era. her husbands transgressions were her husband's transgressions. she's running for president. the sympathetic figure. hillary clinton. >> on the show, saying, how can hillary clinton help women when she con control the predation against women in her own house? >> sam is probably not the right guy to make it. have a woman make that point because she did not stand up for people who were being accused. >> they will. they'll have this sort of -- >> she's easy supposed to embrace the people fooling around with her husband? that's what he's going to say, and one of the key demographics he has to win over independent-minded, single women who are independent, decide hoog deciding who to vote for. republican women saying your fault somehow that your husband has a sexual, you know, proclivity and cheating on you? >> where's the proclivity? >> why are they -- >> chris, you ask -- >> not a dumb guy, sam clovis. not a dumb guy. >> you ask, who does it work for? answer to your own question, it works for trump. this is the problem. the trump centric universe, take that makes sense. in the world of winning an election, pivot from winning a republican primary and arguments that work for a republican base in a populous moment are totally different than what work for a general election. involves reaching out, winning over the edge, and the reason she's ties because hillary clinton is currently fighting a two-front war. there's a certain superficiality to the fact they're tied now, because the fact is if you dig into the numbers, he's got a much deeper climb with key democrat graphics and she's suffering from sanders supporters furious because they feel the election was stolen, but the idea that they, 100% won't return to rally around democrats to keep trump out probably isn't rooted in reality. >> now answer your own question? >> what do you want me to do? let them run around with their own theories? i don't want to rubber stamp these people. >> good. thank you both. great to have you. >> a married couple coming in telling me what's what. >> let's get to ana. >> all right. thanks, guy. head of the tsa is in the hot seat on capitol hill today. at issue, those aggravating long lines at airport security checkpoints. so is the tsa doing enough to fix things? are we really safer right now? we'll talk to the agency's former administrator, next. race car made history when it sold for a record price of just under $30 million. and now, another mercedes-benz makes history selling at just over $30,000. ♪ and to think this one actually has a surround-sound stereo. the 2016 cla. lease the cla250 for $299 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. cricket knows the play that'll make you celebrate. switch to cricket and get the samsung galaxy amp 2 for $19.99 or the samsung galaxy amp prime for $49.99. cricket wireless. something to smile about. i'm spending too muchs for time hiringnter. and not enough time in my kitchen. 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major dysfunction with this organization, what do you think is at the root of it? >> well, yeah. it's obviously a complex situation. the context of which is obviously tsa is trying to prevent terrorists from doing bad things on planes like which may have happened last week on egyptair flight from paris to cairo. that being said, they are trying to be as thorough and as professional and as efficient as possible to identify in disrupting those potential threats. that coupled with the significant increase in passengers who are traveling this year that haven't in the past, has really created some of those issues that you described. >> there has been, we know, an increase in the number of passengers, and a decrease in the number of tsa officers who are at the airport. but i guess the bigger question is -- do their procedures that slow all of this down really make us safer? >> well, clearly it does. i mean we go back to pre-9/11 with no tsa, and we see what happened on 9/11. and we see what happens around the world, and it's no coincidence, i believe, and i believe that the u.s. intelligence and law enforcement community would back this up, that the attacks we've seen, whether at the brussels airport or, again, this most recent flight if it was a terrorist event or, of course, the metrojet out of sharm el sheikh to st. petersburg, russia, terrorists are focusing on the weakest links, the softer targets, because people view the u.s. as multiple areas of activity that help buy down risk. the fact is over 10 million passengers per month in the first five months here of 2016, more than they had last year. so that's a significant increase, and you're right, with fewer tsa employees, to screen those folks, we're seeing what is the logical natural consequence of those enhanced security actions with increased passenger loads. >> what about accountability? we did see the head of security operations with the tsa was removed from his position this week, but way back in april, there were some concerns that were brought up at a hearing. in fact, about this individual, kill hog killy hoggan. no prior experience in the intelligence arena. apparently a role in reassigns some of the people who expressed concerns about the agency, essentially giving them demotions, and he received $90,000 in bonus pay. so he's gone, but this is an agency that has 60,000-plus employees. what difference does it make if one individual is removed? >> well, you're right. one individual does not make or break an that large of an organization. the fact is that kelly hoggan had extensive airline experience, which is critically important in knowing how to work with the airlines and how, then, to take that information, intelligence, from the intel community, homeland security take that and make it into actionable changes at airports. >> why is he gone then? just for optics that we're doing something? >> i'd have to defer to tsa dhs on that, obviously. but it's emblematic of the focus which is on tsa, and the pressure that people feel to make sure that things are working right, and even if there's no terrorist attempts, just long lines can really be a challenge, because of the inefficiencies that are real or perceived and the impact on the economy, where people are missing flights. and so i think it's something that administrative messages need to take action to make a change and help address some of these significant wait times. >> quickly what is the solution? could private security screeners be the answer? >> no. i don't think so, because they still need to follow, unless congress changes the law, they still need to follow tsa rules and regulations. san francisco, kansas city, another two dozen smaller airports from privatized front-line screeners. the solution is what secretary johnson and the administrator are doing in terms of surging to those key, largest airports that have the significant wait times and working with congress and the airlines to make sure that they can buy down risk in a meaningful way while way while not. >> the federal government has now pledged $34 million to hire more screeners to help get the process moving forward. john, we appreciate your insight this morning. thanks for joining us on "new day." >> thank you, good morning. all right, with all this talk about what has already happened in politics, do you remember kenneth starr? he led the sexual inquisition against bill clinton and now he is facing a scandal of his own. what's it all about? details, next. you pay your car insurance premium like clockwork. month after month. year after year. then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch. yeah... surprise... your insurance company tells you to pay up again. why pay for insurance if you have to pay even more for using it? if you have liberty mutual deductible fund™, you could pay no deductible at all. sign up to immediately lower your deductible by $100. and keep lowering it $100 annually, until it's gone. then continue to earn that 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jeff toomin. good morning. >> good morning. >> are cats living with dogs, how strange is to hear ken starr talking about bill clinton's genuine empathy. >> it is peculiar. i think starr would say his empathy is a separate issue from his behavior in the context of his investigation. but i think it is indicative of how much bill clinton's reputation has recovered since the '90s, and how the whole impeachment scandal, the whole monica lewinsky looks even to star like what the hell, why whatdid we pay attention for it? >> funny you said that. >> we were just discussing it, moments ago. >> absolutely. so you say that it looks to ken starr, the man who led the charge of what were we doing, maybe, you know, he does sound regretful frankly in some of this. at the same time it is being revived by donald trump to say for all of you who don't know what happened, let's rehash all of this. >> let's talk about one thing, just as an example. he yesterday, donald trump was saying, well what, about the death of this vince foster, very mysterious, very shady. ken starr devoted months and months to investigating the death of vince foster, and concluded that this was a man who had depression and committed suicide. there was no political scandal. nothing political about his death. yet, you know, here we are, decades later, donald trump is reviving it as if there is something suspicious there. >> they investigated it, as did cnn, all concluding it was a tragic suicide. however, the scandals about the women are different. those really happened. those, you know, as we know from the long monica lewinsky investigation, the paula jones investigation, so what do you think? will that have traction all of these years later? >> you know, i doubt it will move new voters. the people who really dislike bill and hillary clinton will find another reason to vote against her. but remember, you know, as we keep pointing out, it's hillary clinton who is the candidate here. not bill clinton. she was not implicated in any misconduct. she was not someone who was accused even of doing anything untoward with regard to these women. there have been -- donald trump is raising, you know, the specter of misconduct. >> there are allegations by the women. the women say they felt intimidated by her. there is no evidence of that, but juanita broderick said she gave her side glances and shook her hand too long and said something in a coded way. >> by the way, another matter investigated by ken starr, the alleged misconduct of bill clinton, which he did not decide to bring any charges from. so again, you know, you have to keep that in mind. >> back to the ironic twist of ken starr, the president of baylor university, and he pai appears to be on the possibly losing his job by dfemale studentsi students saying they were sexually assaulted. he didn't address it with vigor. >> it is bizarre. right before i went on the air, i was reading one of the complaints, lawsuits filed against baylor by these women, and the story of not just how these women were assaulted, in this case, members of the football team, but the instituti institutional contempt for the victims. they got no help from the baylor administration. that's really what starr is on the verge of losing his job about. obviously he can't control if football players or anyone else commits misconduct, but he can control a system that is supposed to be somewhat responsive. >> absolutely. after the exhaustive investigation into bill clinton's misconduct and then, you know, turning what they say is a blind eye at his own university. >> of all issues, he should be overt to that one. >> indeed. jeffrey, thank you for being here on "new day." we're following a lot of news, including violent protests last night. let's get right to it. >> anti-trump protesters are taking to the streets. >> he actually said he was hoping it would crash. >> i am a businessman, that's what i'm supposed to. >> we're not going to let him bankrupt america. >> if we get the nomination, donald trump is toast. the court found that there was sufficient evidence to require mr. cosby to stand trial. >> no crime committed here. this case should end immediately. >> we want to seek the truth. we're here to serve justice. >> conflicting accounts of the plane's fate. >> there was smoke in the lavatory. >> that throws the whole theory of terrorism into a big question mark. >>announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn come rote at that. >> good morning, everyone. 8:00 in the east. a a ana cabrera is here with us this morning. outside new mexico, anti-trump protesters clashing with police, throwing rocks and bottles, some even breaking through police barriers to disrupt trump's speech. >> the mayhem comes as trump comes closer to clinching the nomination. the presumptive nominee easily won the washington state primary, now just eight delegates away from securing his spot on the november ballot. in the meantime, dominos could be ready to fall on the democratic side with the party's chair in jeopardy of losing her job over the turmoil with the bernie sanders campaign. we have the race covered, only the way cnn can. let's begin with jason carroll. >> last night, donald trump saying the safest places in the country is one of his rallies. it did not look that way last night. after once again, protests erupted in the streets. fr trump for his part, senator elizabeth warren during his rally, he also took aim at new mexico's republican governor. >> overnight, police in riot gear, blasting pepper spray. and using smoke grenades to disburse anti-donald trump protesters outside his rally in albuquerque, new mexico. hours after the presumptive gop nominee's speech. dozens of protesters, stomping on police cars. and throwing rocks and bottles at police, injuring several officers. earlier during trump's speech at the city's convention center, protesters breaking through the metal barrier surrounding the venue, some making their way inside. only to be dragged out by security. inside, trump criticizing new mexico's republican governor, susana martinez, who is also hispanic. >> since 2000, the number of people on food stamps in new mexico has tripled. we have to get your governor to get going. she has to do a better job, okay. hey, maybe i'll run for governor of north carolina. >> the attacks set on targeting hillary clinton, trump opting to make fun of her voice. >> i will never say this. but she screams, it drives me crazy. >> and using some of his harshest language yet. >> she puts on an ad. >> trump angry clinton is painting him as a greedy billionaire, when he said he hoped to profit when the market collapsed. >> yeah, if it goes down, i am a businessman, that's what i'm supposed to. >> democratic senator elizabeth warren going after trump for his past business practices. >> donald trump was drooling over the idea of a housing meltdown. because it meant he could buy up more property on the cheap. what kind of a man does that. it is a man who cares about no one but himself. a small, insecure money-grubber who doesn't care who gets hurt. so long as he makes a profit off it. >> well, trump called senator warren a total failure at that rally last night. also, calling her pochantis, faking her american heritage. >> good times, good times. jason, thank you very much. joining us now, sam clovis, advisor to the trump campaign. sam, good morning to you. >> how you doing, chris? great to talk to you. >> let's title this segment why. the first, why go after the governor of new mexico? she checks like so many boxes for trump, republican, obviously. female latina, doing well in that state. why go after her? >> well, i think it was the -- perhaps there was a snub that governor martinez chose not to attend the rally, chosen not to make the connection with the campaign, and i think -- i don't think it has anything to do with her gender. i don't think it has anything to do with her ethnic heritage. i don't think it has to do with anything other than she is slow walking her support of the presumptive candidate. i think that's difficult. we see that across a lot of different areas, and this is, again, we're going to see more and more people coalesce behind mr. trump, and that will take time. and like most campaigns, elbows get up under the basket. we saw that last night. >> right. >> i think this is where we are. >> not a gentle game, that is going to be stipulated by all who are in or around it. but sam, one of the reasons that you are seen as a leader in your party is your temperament. you want to disagree with sam, go right ahead. expect counter arguments, expect a sharp tone. but you don't just start attacking reflectively the person that you're arguing with. how do you get your candidate to stop just going after anybody who does something he doesn't like, because you know as president, you can't do that day in and day out. >> well, we're still eight delegates short of securing the nomination. i think that once that is done, i mean, this has been the kind of the approach that we've taken. i also think, chris, you and i have talked about this many times, and very soberly and professionally we've talked about it. the idea here is that mr. trump is not like any other candidate that has ever run for president, and this campaign is not like any other campaign, and i think we continued to try to push this campaign and mr. trump into a particular template that a lot of people perhaps those of us who are tuned in and plugged into the political side of this, we have this mental image of what the campaign and image should look like and he is neither of those. >> you could be by nature disposition and behavior rejects the system, but temperament still matters. the stuff that, the big why for our discussion, why go back after the clintons about the scandals and things of the '90s? you were quoted as saying how can hillary clinton protect women when she couldn't protect the predation of women in her own house. do you believe that's a winning strategy, blaming the victim of infidelity? >> well, i think -- i don't blame hillary for infidelity. i think the issue here is the hypocrisy that is fmanifested i this situation. you cannot take on the cloak of a victim and you can't take on the fact that you're going to be the leading the charge against the republican party and saying that they have a war on women, when within your own household, you have sexual predator living there. it just, there is a hypocrisy there that is questionable about the individual judgment and you want to talk about temperament, that's probably a good question there. >> the premise is questionable, though, sam, when you say it. you say it as a conclusion. you have a sexual predator in your own house. there has never been any legal definition of bill clinton as that. you're basing that on allegations that were made, some of them proven false, some of them left as open questions. that's your basis, right? >> well, i don't agree with that, chris. i think that -- >> tell me. >> the issue is, you know, i think that -- i don't agree with that at all. i think that, you know, respectfully, i just don't agree with that. >> but tell me why, sam. >> well, i just think that there is far too much evidence and far too many coincidences, far too many occurrences, observations of his behavior, of president clinton's behavior, and the issue comes back to the notion, you cannot have an attack on the republican party on a war on women, when in fact, we have this issue with one of the leaders of the democratic party has been the leader for now a generation and a half, and still, we have this person who is out here, even though there are -- there have been clearly a person who has been involved in infidelity. we had cnn on your network, chris, every program i saw with 15 minutes talking about sexual predation of bill cosby. >> he is on trial. >> raises my eye brow. >> there are 50 women making the claim. >> we can't talk about bill clinton, but we can certainly talk about bill cosby. >> he is on trial, and he has 50 women who have come forward with stories of drug doping and sexual assault. that doesn't match bill clinton. you know whose record does match bill clinton's, donald trump. the risk that you point one finger at clinton, and you have four pointing back at you. the clintons have an unusual defense. what sam clovis has said many times before, vetted by a sfesh prosecutor, hearing from the senate and the media for a decade. a lot of stink on donald trump that has not been vetted that way at all. why invite this march down memory lane of his marriages, and allegations of assault there, and of indiscretions and behavior that is arguably immoral if not criminal. why invaite that discussion? >> i think that, again, i respectfully, chris, i think that mr. trump has been vetted for 40 years. he has been a personality in new york for 40 years. he's been part of the tabloids for 40 years. he lives large and is large and all of that. i think the notion of scrutiny has been pretty clear. but what i do think is, you know, what we are really looking at here, you know the inside of politics better than anyone, because of the long heritage and great heritage, but the issue here is that why are these issues, it brings up doubt, it brings up questions, and negative campaigning has been part of our efforts here, and we see this on both sides. all parties intend to go to this. it is not to get people to switch their votes. the whole purpose of negative campaigning is to get people not to vote for that particular candidate. and it has -- that's really the issue. and so right now, we're raising the specter, raising the issues, getting people to think about these things and putting these place cards out here that we'll be looking at as we get into the long, hot summer as we rush into labor day and serious about electi electio elections. >> what will make life better for the american people, just like your baseball hats indicate, making america great again, because it is hard to see how this takes us down that road. sam, thank you for making the case on "new day," sir. >> all right, thanks, chris. we'll talk soon. >> absolutely. ana. there is some moving and shaking on democrats side of the aisle. bernie sanders continuing to battle forever la every last de. his attacks on the democratic party chairwoman pair to be taking a toll this morning. ichinojo johns is live with more on this. ichinojo. >> ahead of the democratic party, again coming into focus after bernie sanders went after her over the weekend in the middle of that campaign battle for california, the big prize of the primary season. no indication that any democratic senators have launched a formal effort to get rid of debbie wasserman schultz, but the sanders campaign can get krid credit for starting the conversation. removing her as head of the party, the source telling cnn, fear she has become, quote, too toxic, in the democratic civil war. this feud, as you know, began and reach aid fevered pitch after the chaos that erupted at the nevada democratic convention. meanwhile, the fight to gain traction in the sanders campaign, calling into question the results of last week's kentucky primary. in a statement, it quote, is requesting a full and complete recanvas of everyone of the voting machines and absentee ballots. he lost by a razor thin margin of roughly 1,900 votes. alisyn. >> we'll be talking about this with the chief strategist. joe, thank you for that reporting. bill cosby facing a criminal trial. the judge ruling that there is enough evidence to go ahead with the case against cosby. jean is live in norristown. >> reporter: this was extremely important, it was a pivotal ruling that it is bound for the trial. the defense, however, continues to say they are going to try to get these charges dismissed in criminal court for bill cosby. a judge ruling, there is enough evidence for bill cosby to stand trial for the alleged sexual assault of a former temple university employee in 2004. >> we only have to show that a crime is committed and the defendant is connected to the crime. it is a preliminary hearing. hearsay is admissible and we're just over the next hurdle in this. >> reporter: a police detective reading for the first time the accuser, andrea constand made to police in 2005. in them, she says cosby encouraged her to drink wine and take blue pills. shortly after, she said her vision blurred, her legs rubbery, and she felt scared and unable to speak. she was aware of cosby putting his hands on her breasts and down her pants. in cosby's statement to police, he admits to touching and kissing her, and gave her benadryl to help her relax. he maintains the encounter was consensual. >> the point is it was intoxicating to her and that she was unable to consent. >> reporter: the defense attacking constand's credibility, saying parts of her statement were crossed out, or redacted. >> they presented an 11 year-old statement that was riddled with corrections and inconsistencien. >> reporter: he invited constand back to his room. constand initially says she laid down on the bed with cosby, their legs touching. but she later crossed that out, saying the two were relaxed, close to one another. bill cosby has waived his formal arraignment set for july. aggravated indecent assault carries a penalty of ten years, but by law, the judge, if bill cosby would be convicted of all counts, can sentence concur renally, meaning, chris, he would serve approximately ten years in prison. >> a lot of those sentences may wind up flowing together. we are a long way away from there. thanks, jean. we told you bernie sanders wants a review of the vote, what they call a recanvassing, not recounting every ballot, but make sure they add up. so hillary clinton won by a tight margin. do they care about this? we'll hear from team clinton, next. it takes all kinds of jobs. and the best place to find the job that's right for you ♪ is on the world's number-one job site. indeed. how the world works. cahontas. hillary clinton campaigning hard in california, hoping for a strong finish to take her into the general election. but bernie sanders still fighting for every delegate, and asking for a recanvassing of last week's kentucky primary, where clinton won by a razor thin margin. let's get reaction from the clinton campaign. joel bennison joins us now. he wants the absentee ballots checks. are you okay with that. >> sure. we've said from the beginning, a win is a win. we've had close races. he won by a razor thin margin, some we have. at the end of the day, he can recanvas all those votes. it won't change the delegate count. >> it might. there are less than 2,000 votes apart. if he gets those 2,000, it does change the delegate count, right. >> by one or two. we're ahead by 270 pledged delegates, no matter what happens on june 7th, when we compete in delegate rich new jersey and california, we're going to have a majority of pledged dealt gaits a pledged delegates by more than. we're going to end up there on june 7th. >> why is he doing it? >> i have no idea. you would have to ask him that. >> bernie sanders and other senators have begun talking about removing and replacing dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz. he feels she has been on the side of hillary clinton. what do you think. >> what normally happens is when the nominee becomes the nominee officially with that clear, that person picks the chair of the democratic national committee. that's what happened in 2008, when president obama became the chair. we'll see what happens then. i'm not involved in any of those talks. i think for sanders and his camps, issues, they've raised them before. every time something happens, they raise issues. but you know, we're at a point where we need to unify the party and both sides need to do it as quickly as possible. >> has she become too toxic? a word being used by some of the democratic senators, an cnn's investigation, because of the strong words she and bernie sanders have now exchanged. there seems to be this rift. >> there has been strong words on both sides, and look, we're in a contest for the nominee of the democratic party. i think democratic party leaders will hash this out and make a decision about who the chair should be going forward once it is clear that hillary clinton is the nominee. >> but you don't think that debbie wasserman schultz is in negative? >> it is not up to me whether she is or isn't effective or not. if they want to have that debate in the sanders campaign, they should have the debate with democratic party leaders. >> elizabeth warren was at an event last night and she went after donald trump, and she used familiar line of attack. let me play some of it for you. >> donald trump was drooling over the idea of a housing meltdown, because it meant he could buy up more property on the cheap. what kind of a man does that? i'll tell you exactly what kind of a man does that. it is a man who cares about no one but himself. what kind of a man does that? a man who will never be president of the united states. >> okay, so one of the things that's interesting about that, that's the very same line of attack that hillary clinton had used yesterday about donald trump finding the audio of donald trump seemingly rooting for a housing market crash, so that he could cash in. so is elizabeth warren now coordinating in a real way with the clinton campaign? >> i don't think it is about coordination. he wasn't seemingly saying it. he not only said it, he doubled down on it last night. he said that's what i'm supposed to do. well, when you're president of the united states, no, you're not. it is a track record he has of putting himself first, enriching himself at the expense of others. you go look at his most ba bankruptcies, the business contractors didn't get out fine. the workers who got a dollar on a penny. donald trump has always been in it for himself. his comments on the housing crisis are outrageous. to think you're running for president and should be enriching yourself over average people. it is frankly a complete disgrace. >> speaking of elizabeth warren, some people believe she could be one of the vp picks, hillary clinton yesterday talked about who her vice-presidential picks might be. let me show the viewers this. >> mark cuban, joe biden. >> oh, joe. >> you're picking joe? gotta go with tony. >> tony? jeff probst. >> bernie sanders. >> tony. >> kanye. >> i gotta go with tony. what can i say. >> george clooney. >> oh, well, tony could be the first term and george could be the second. >> there you go. that solves that problem. so is it going to be tony from "scandal?" >> that's the right thing to do, start the process. consider a lot of people, a range of people, narrow it down as you go along. she has time to make that decision. i'm sure she will do it the way she always does. very thoughtfully. >> handsome men. who could blame her. joel, thanks so much for being here. when bill cosby stands trial for criminal sexual assault, his own words could come back to haunt him. but the same could be said of his accuser. we'll breakdown both sides, when we come back. this family needed their windshield replaced but they're daughters heart was set on going to the zoo. so guess what, i met them at the zoo. service that fits your schedule. that's another safelite advantage. ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ "i'm tired." or, "i'm hungry." what if your body said something else might be wrong? gynecologic cancers - cervical, ovarian and uterine cancers - have symptoms. so pay attention. if your body says something may be wrong.... please listen if it goes on for two weeks, see a doctor, it may be nothing but find out. learn the symptoms. get the inside knowledge about gynecologic cancers. so yostanding up.ddle. with a friend. or you're a 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thing that i think was surprising is if you asked me to bet, i would have bet they would have put her on the stand at the preliminary hearing. i think it was surprising, and i think the defense was very frustrated by the fact that they had what is called a probable cause here without putting her on the stand so they couldn't cross-examine her. >> that's why they did it, to keep her clean for the main trial. what does that do in terms after a plus/minus strategically. >> i think it will hurt the prosecution, by not having a run through, by having her tested, they're gambling that when they put her up in front of a jury, she'll do well under cross examination. i always think continued and i hurts the prosecution, because witnesses, it is a daunting thing to be a witness in any courtroom to begin be, and then when you do it for the first time, you're in front of a jury and you raise the stakes by having a high profile case, a witness can get nervous and it can be, i think, something that the prosecution will later come to regret in this case. >> well, how do you reconcile that with what is a little bit of a unique factor here, which is the idea that constand may not be alone? do you see that as motivation for her potentially? do you see other accusers coming into the mix here in the trial? do you think they'll make it past the judge's standard of prejudice versus probative value? >> look, i think that's going to be a huge battle in this case, as you've alluded to. but i think ultimately, most judges would let in at least three, four, five others to kind of bolster the prosecution case. why would you do that, why would that come in, they do it under the guise of a similar motive, signature crime, and you'll probably remember the phil specter case in los angeles. they did the exact same thing. they paraded up four or five women who talked about him and the guns and everything else and here, you would presumably have four or five women who would get paraded up, talk about i had a drink with him, next thing i woke up, naked, felt like something happened. that kind of evidence is very powerful for juries. that's one of the reasons defense always fights so hard to keep it out. and frankly, one of the reasons judges usually let it in, because it is very, what they would call, probative towards someone. >> you have layered charges here, three main counts that really range the span of potential behavior. you have unwanted sexual assault by, you know, sexual assault, unwanted contact, while continuous. also while unconscious, and the act of rendering the defendant incapable of consenting. how do you break those down? >> you know, actually you've given a great kind of a layout of the three different charges there, the three categories of charges. they all derive from at some level the giving of a drug, or giving of a substance that caused somebody to not be able, in this case, constand, not be able to give consent. and the reason this is so devastating for cosby is because of that deposition in the civil case, where he concedes that he was getting quaaludes, getting these drugs, and that was kind of the milieu back then when he was doing it, and giving that drug, even if she says i didn't say no, which is, that came up yesterday in the preliminary hearing, that that was one of the statements that she had made, it doesn't matter if the jury believes that she was given a drug, and that that drugs withdrew her ability to give consent. so that's a very, very difficult hurdle for the defense to get over. >> this is going to be a really widely watched trial. it means so much to so many on both sides. counselor, i look forward to getting your counsel throughout thanks for being with us this morning. >> thanks, chris. sifting for clues in the final moments in the egyptair flight, captain sully sull sullenberger joins us. first, taking the dance world by storm, inspiring others along the way. in this edition of turning point, dr. sanjay gupta 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>> i have. i've covered it. it is fun and festive. >> i would love to go. i'm in town. >> maybe you and i should take a sf spin down there. girl's trip. let's do it. comedian sasha baron cohen is no fan of donald trump. the bad blood all started with a trademark mock interview that ended with trump walking off. cnn's jeannie mosse shows up. >> talk about a matchup. >> what is the most popular thing in the world? >> music. >> no. >> tell me. >> ice cream. >> it was back in the days when sacha baron cohen was pranking people with his dimwit rapper routine, everyone from the then secretary general of the u.n. -- >> disneyland a member of the u.n.? >> no. >> to buzz aldridge, second man to walk on the moon. >> what was it like not being the first man on the moon. were you ever jealous of louis armstrong. >> it was neil armstrong and no, i was not jealous. >> ice cream with trump. >> it is to come out with just like these ice cream gloves that make the ice cream not go on your hands. >> donald was polite, but didn't bite. >> well, that sounds like a good idea. i hope you make a lot of money. >> good luck, folks. >> with that trump walked off. showing less annoyance than others. >> okay, i think that's about it. >> the guy is an idiot. >> the other night, the idiot was asked about his encounter with trump. >> i was the first person to realize he is a [ bleeping ]. >> cohen says trump's interview lasted seven minutes. the donald tweeted i never fall for scams. i am the only person who immediately walked out of my ali g interview. there has been bad blood between the donald and sacha baron cohen. trump called him a moron. >> cohen mockingly endorsed the donald, wearing a make america great hat at the premiere of his new movie, which feature ace trump character that contracts hiv. >> people are cheering. >> taking the gloves off, even if they are, ice cream gloves. >> good luck, folks. >> jeannie mosse, cnn, new york. >> the sun is too hot. >> the sun is too hot. it is not a good place to walk. that's what he said. >> they could have responded even more, you know, vehemently against him. it was reasonable. >> donald trump was tame in his response there. >> how bad did you feel for mick when she was interviewing sacha baron cohen about the trump movie and how much fun he was having with the horrible things in the movie? i felt so bad for her that day. >> i felt worst for us because they kept saying they were coming to us and we were hiding. >> yes. >> any way, back to what matters. new details emerging in the egyptair crash investigation, but many questions remain. we're going to break it down with someone who knows a lot about flying, hero pilot, captain sully sullenberger is here. great to see you, captain. hey honey. huh. the good news is my hypertension is gone. so why would you invest without checking brokercheck? check your broker with brokercheck. the crash of egyptair flight 804 remains a mystery and a race against time to find the black boxes to get clues. there are conflicting reports this morning about the plane's final moments. joining us now, cbs safety aviation expert and captain sully sullenberger, successfully crash landed his plane in the hudson river back in 20089. thanks for being here. >> good morning, ana. >> good morning. so we don't know what happened to this airplane, but we are getting a few pieces of information. we know that they have now recovered life vests, personal belongings, part of the wreckage and even small fragments of human remains. what is your gut tell you about what happened to this plane? >> let me set the stage for you. this is like trying to complete a large painting, one tiny fact, one tiny droplet of paint at a time. we collect only a handful initially. we only have a handful to work with, and they may be scattered throughout the canvas. as we gather more facts, more brush strokes, we look for patterns. ultimately at the end of the investigation, which may take a year or more, we will have brought in to clear focus the true picture of what happened. the investigators will learn, i'm convinced, not only what happened, and how it happened, but why it happened. it is this painstaking process they must use to solve the deepest misteries. >> let me add more to the picture. >> okay. >> we also have clues about the alerts that were sent out from the plane's automated system. we know that the plane signalled problems with a heated window in the cockpit, smoke in the lavatory, smoke in the compartments, problems with the auto pilot, flight control system, yet the captain never alerted anybody of any problems. it was radio silence. how do you explain that? >> well, it is actually very easy. there are many reasons that might have happened. it's likely that with a sudden emergency, a sudden triggering event, pilots were doing what we're trained to do, and that is to fly the airplane first and begin to solve the problems, and only after you've made sure it is being flown well enough, the situation is being handled, only then would you take time to communicate with air traffic control. because really, other than to alert rescue forces and begin what might be an hour long rescue effort to get resources to the scene, there is not much help that air traffic control can immediately render to a flight in crisis. it is really up to the crew on board to solve that until they can get on the ground and get more help. >> so you think it's possible they just didn't even v time to say we're going down, because they were so focused on trying to bring the plane down safely? >> probably trying to figure out what exactly was going wrong. with a miracle on the mud shuds flight, we saw the birds seconds before we hit them but not enough time to avoid them. we smelled the odor coming into the airplane from the engines. we had to go right who how do we solve this problem and not a lot of time what caused this problem. it is likely if it was sudden, and it was kind of a nuance beginning to the emergency, they may not have known what was going on. it is also important to note, even though these were transmitted from the airplane, we don't know what alerts the crew might have received. we don't know what the crew saw or what they heard or smelled, for example. >> you know, the fact that the idea of this could have been a terrorist act came out so early in the conversation, from egyptian officials say more likely a terrorist attack than a failure of some sort. it speaks to the fear of people flying this day and age. as a captain yourself, do you have any reservations or would you have reservations flying a plane that originates in a city like paris or other cities in europe? >> i think it's just human nature in light of recent events and certain parts of the world to have that possibility, which is one of many, be in the forefront of one's mind. they should be savvy, and as an aviation industry, we need to do much better about sharing intelligence and making air travel safer and secure. but we have to depend upon actual evidence. now, some walks of life, you know, feel like they have the luxury to shoot from the hip or jump to conclusions. but in aviation, we rely upon evidence to draw conclusions. that doesn't mean that we should wait until the investigation is complete to improve areas that we know need to be improved. but let me put this into perspective for the traveler. any individual is likely to face some much more routine risk in our everyday lives than exceptional and small risk of dying in a terrorist event. you know, if you are really concerned about your safety, and sometimes it is hard for us to do this, but there are pedestrian ways that we can change our lives. >> right. >> tomorrow, we could choose for example not to use our phones in our cars and save more lives in one year than are lowest in aviation. >> thank you so much, captain chessly sully sullen berger joining us this morning. thank you for being with us on "new day." 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birthday then with the four lovely ladies of "outnumbered"? >> harris: despite pouring millions of dollars into the georgia election, democrats were once again unable to flip a house seat, handing the party one of its most demoralizing losses yet. here's the night's big winner republican karen handel. >> first of all, i have to start by saying thank you. [cheers and applause] my pledge is to be part of the solution, to focus on governing. to put my experience to work and helping to solve the very serious issues that we are facing this country. >> harris: with the loss also denied democrats the chance to deliver a rebuke to president trump who took a victory lap on twitter writing this. while, the special elections are over and those that want to make america great again are 5-0. all the fake news, all the money spent equals zero. jonathan is live in atlanta with the latest. >> at one point during karen handel's victory speech, she thanked the president and listen to the crowd reacted. [crowd chanting "trump"] speak out let's not forget our equally great vice president, mike pence. >> the crowd like that too. early this morning, the president tweeted democrats would do much better as a party if they got together with republicans on health care, tax cuts, security, obstruction doesn't work. democrats had hoped that jon ossoff's campaign would serve as a blueprint for how their party can win back congress during next year's midterm election, but all strategists are questioning whether jon ossoff should have stepped to a centrist platform of promoting job growth and cutting government waste instead of starting his campaign early on with the call to make trump furious. >> the truth is, he wouldn't be this national star that he was, he wouldn't have raised as much money, $23 million plus without the trump investors. without invigorating liberals across the country. i don't know if there's a right answer. democrats will be fighting for that answer over the next few months. >> incidentally, that it wasn't the only special election going on. while all eyes of the nation were on georgia's six congressional district, south carolina's fifth district was sailing under the radar. nevertheless, anç important rae in that one, ralph norman beat democrat archie carnell in a race to fill the house seat being vacated by mick mulvaney who joins the trump administration as budget director. back to you. >> harris: thank you very much. kevin, it was interesting last hour on speech anyone, sherry bustos, the democrat it a was saying that this is an opportunity for democrats to move forward, what is really the bottom line here for that party? >> kevin: we are in the arab democrat hype. everything leading up to the special election, saying trump would get his mandate, that the democrats would lose, republicans were going to win, i like and guys to woodpeckers at a concrete force. they keep going on for the same tree. it's not working. it's been over done, it's been overblown. 2018 is going to be another mandate. everything that we've seen up to this point proves exactly what november 8th proved last year. >> harris: it may prove that it's the end to exit polling. >> mercedes: no question. we saw that handel was up by a percentage point. she won over 3% of the vote. i think what it's telling you is that, i don't want them to get too close they are too comfortable, sure. they won by three points. that's a district that should have won by eight points. even in south carolina, that district is a nine plus four republicans and we only wanted by 3.8% of the votes. that is a warning sign. while democrats don't have a message and they didn't win this election, 2018 is a very different year many to make sure that they have the victory's lineup because there are these 23 swing districts. a lot of our suburban areas. if you get democrats running on a moderate platform, it's going to be tough. the >> kevin: i agree with you to a point, but i disagree. you have to remember, these guys through $31 million into a race, they can do that in every race. south carolina was a miscalculation because it was closer than they thought. they didn't put as much effort into it. even if they did put effort, it wasn't the same outcome. i think what we are witnessing here, and to your point, harris, with respect to exit polling and pulling in general, all lies. with respect -- they made a comment that handel was not wanting to run with trump as her base. the minute they said donald trump, that she thanked donald trump, all hands went up. everyone is hyped. >> jon: even though you're hearing from some democrats, this is an opportunity to focus our message, some are saying we aren't even doing that in the wake of this loss. i'm looking at a democrat from massachusetts. he said this better be a wake-up call for democrats, business as usual, is not working. time to stop to stop rehashing 2016 and talk about the future. the >> kevin: everything they're talking about going to are things that donald trump is talking about. one of the things was parading more jobs, what is he doing? creating more jobs. everything that they run to his back firing on them and donald trump is saying, i'm creating jobs, and creating a safer america. >> harris: you can say the same thing for hillary clinton. if you just take a sliver and a look at the part that affects today, it's five straight losses since november, but totally, it's more than 1,000 state house seats and across the spectrum for democrats across the country. >> meghan:ç there are very basic rules of can -- this man had huge celebrity endorsements, alyssa milano, samuel l. jackson, huge hollywood money. money from massachusetts. democrats have to learn that this is not about what celebrities and east coast at least once. a lot of these ads brought up nancy pelosi saying he is going to be just like nancy pelosi. i said from the beginning that i thought jon ossoff was a red herring, that it wasn't going to go to the finish line, but ultimately, if democrats don't learn that you have to get local in these elections instead of nationalizing everything, they're going to continue to lose. >> harris: we want to get to twitter. kellyanne conway, advisor for the white house had some interest in things to say. i want to remind everybody that democrat candidate's name was awsat, that's important. thanks to everyone >> kevin: based on everything we are seeing so far, i don't know feel cut to a break, but base and every thing we see so far, since the election, i'm talking about russia gate, no obstruction, all the different litany of people that were in the line of fire, they have fought him on every single piece of legislation. >> meghan: one thing that was brought up, it should have been an election that we won much more handily than we did. democrats are making the bet that people, even if they disagree with trump, they're awful medically going to have a referendum. this election shows that's not true. voters can carr penalize a difference between different types of republicans and president trump. us before we look at the virginia primary race for governor, democrats came up. i send a signal up. if the democrats with these moderate candidates in place, that allows them opportunity to have wiggle room. we publicans are able to say what they did with ossoff. possibly, they're able to basically say they are too liberal. all i'm saying is that for republicans, this is why it's urgent for them to pass health care. you need to make sure you have an agenda that you can say, we worked on it, we did it in congress and we accomplished our goals. on the local economy part is incredibly important, but i do want to proceed with caution. >> meghan: it does register with his base, but right now, it's a trend when it comes to millennials and college-educated voters which has been a college -- we are old road campaign people and their science here that we should not be too comfortable and i agree. if we blow obama carry placement right now, it won't be a good time. >> kevin: democrats should be sweating like michael moore on a treadmill. >> harris: there is a visual. this update that we definitely want to bring you. congressman scalise, this is from the hospital continues to make good progress. he is now listed as fair condition and will be getting an extended period of healing and habilitation. people over the nation praying for the representativesç. third in power in the house, a very important man to return to the hill at some point, but in the meantime, prayers for his recovery. fresh off this big victory in georgia that we've been talking about, a new poll shows at the president's approval rating has held steady since february, even after rush allegations, the firing of james comey, and the wiretap controversies. and republican senate leaders getting ready to unveil a draft version of their health care bill. they're hoping for a vote as early as 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says it won't be the same as the bill the house came up with. >> we are going to lay out a discussion draft thursday morning, you'll be able to take a look at it. i think you've heard from some of my colleagues the likely highlights of it and i wouldn't want to compare it to the house bill. it will speak for itself. it will be different. it will take a different approach based on these endless discussions we've had with the only people interested in changing the law which is republican senators. >> sandra: some conservatives are warning not to make too many changes to the bill that passed in the house. mark meadows sounding a bit more optimistic this morning. >> we need to make sure we prioritize two things. one is we drive down premiums in the second is that we cover pre-existing conditions. i'm concerned with some of what we are hearing reported at this point, but i think it's too early to put a fork in it and say it's done. i can tell you that we are committed to making sure we repeal it and replace it and i'm optimistic that after it's rolled out tomorrow, that ed will have a whole lot of discussion. >> sandra: a lot to dig into there, but start first with the president saying he wants a health care bill with heart. what does that mean? >> kevin: he is always hinted all along that he still wants to cover pre-existing conditions and some things and obamacare was written for, and i don't think -- most americans are fine with that. the problem is, we've spent so much money with implementing this and watching it fail, the projections on what the costs are, if you take that pool of people out that really do need catastrophic coverage and things like this, which is available in the regular health care system, it would be a fraction of the costs. he's going to have a tough time selling the idea of how to do that without burdening the taxpayer when the overwhelming number of people who need health care do not fall in the catastrophic ring. >> sandra: how did you interpret that? this before it's about ensuring that individuals don't lose their insurance, especially if they do have pre-existing conditions, but there's something bigger as well which is how will you rescue the individual market? how do you stabilize this market? what we're seeing seeing right now is obamacare falling apart. how will you bring in more young people into the market place where they can't afford it? how are you able to bring down premiums for the middle class? i think those of the questions and the issues that the senate bill is tackling. the senate feels the house is a good start, but they want their substitute where they have their individual members coming in and giving their input. i think you'll see mitch mcconnell strike that balance. he is listening very carefully to what the administration wants, but strike the balance between conservatives and moderates meaning we tried to bring on the premiums, but at the same time, we have to realize, this is their last chance to repeal obamacare.ç we've been talking about this for 6 or 7 years. if they don't get this right, we are going to be moving towards a single-payer system which would be catastrophic. >> sandra: a lot at stake. what do you of that? mcconnell warning there will be changes, but don't make too many big changes. >> meghan: the bill won't be terribly different than what passed in the house. i think moderates will come to the middle and people from the senate version of the freedom caucus will come to the middle as well. my concern is these weird timelines. the fourth of july will come real soon. he criticized obamacare being pushed and rushed through without enough emphasis from other people, so the idea that -- 's before we have 45 days and allege that if calendar >> meghan: i think will happen in the next month, i think the fourth of july is a pipe dream. >> harris: there have been some things that have changed. we have a couple of things that hinge. we've been waiting for insurers to toss with her new price lines will be before we head into the new enrollment period. i'm not forecasting would happen in august come up there is more strong talk about coming back and what happened last week on a baseball field is not affecting the senate in terms of how it does business, but all of congress, they may feel a need to come back. is there some momentum that they can capitalize on? >> mercedes: they are not going to cancel the recess. >> harris: the bottom line is this fall timeline that megan is talking about, it puts everybody in a weird gear. >> kevin: it's a lexicon. we're talking about pre-existing conditions, what is that? if you have cancer, is a pre-existing condition. we get into these philosophical battles over lexicon with the left. do you want to cover the biggest part of it and if you look at this thing the right way, i think trump will look and say, we're not talking about small things, we're talking about big things. for the record, you're dealing with a guy who's used to winnin winning. i think that's the one factor in all of this. we're not talking about a pure politician. this before congress to procrastinate this before they recognize they have a limited window to have the conversation with the house on getting these bills together and finalizing. >> meghan: we should move on to tax reform which is the main goal that i had wanted them to start with. if this ends up failing, tax reform will be even more difficult. >> sandra: new highs in the stock market this week. democrats in georgia are 0 for 4. now a new poll showing voters changing attitudes toward a party that may explain why. plus, special counsel robert mueller reportedly adding another democrat to his team of trumpets/russia investigators. the new addition -- whether the probe can be unbiased ahh. where are mom and dad? 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>> mercedes: i'm not surprised at all. this goes back to kevin's earlier point that he is keeping his campaign promises. this is the untold story of this political season. the fact that the president said we will bring jobs to america, we're going to bush tax reform, will move on health care. he stuck talk about infrastructure spending. he's moving on the very important priorities and i think -- i've been speaking in rural america and basically, they are frustrated because they keep saying, why is the senate so focused on the russian investigation? when we talking about jobs? there is that solid support that they are not going to be leaving trump because they think he's being true to his word. >> kevin: i'm giving my present to america, it is donald trump. >> meghan: i don't know what that means. >> kevin: what it means is this guy is a rock star. no matter what we talk about, whether it's foreign policy, i said the other day, he leads foreign policy like charlotte's web. >> meghan: he hasn't been completely uncontroversial. he has done a lot of things that have been distractions, whether they are valid or not, they have been distractions. he hasn't been given a honeymoon period by the media. >> kevin: i think the pull is the same that said hillary clinton will win. every time someone gives me a pole, i looked myself and say the american people are so pulled out, we don't believe the media. it's a very media that we despise and we now know it to be true that it's fake media. donald trump is knocking it out of the park. he doesn't give you an implement figures, he tells you companies that will be hiring and how man many. >> meghan: i have to read this tweet for you because i want your reaction, harris. one important lesson is when they go low, going hi doesn't bleeping work and that bleeping started with an f. >> harris: we continue with the democrats cussing at the audience. the point you're making is now they're going to turn around and take the low road? is that their plan question what does that come with a message either? i want to piggyback off of something that mercedes said. if republicans are doing as you say and getting their gear together and getting things done, democrats will look at that and say, we have to stop talking about russia. i mentioned what representative boost of said, nobody is asking her about russia. she said i need to concentrate on the things that people care about. >> kevin: not to interrupt, but we are hearing this now all over the country. people know russia is a red herring. >> harris: are we stuck on it? >> mercedes: russia is the democrats play card. this is a card they wanted to play since the election because they do believe that this is what's going to bring down the president. it will lead to the impeachment of president trump. it is not working because you have so many individuals, even democrats are trying to question, there is no evidence of collusion with russia and president trump. order be helpful is if you stop tweeting about it. step away from it. >> kevin: i disagree. >> sandra: somebody pointed this out, but americans continue to be critical of both parties when you dig into these numbers. just 40% are inç favor of republicans. >> kevin: that's a big step up. he has been a breath of fresh air. when you're talking about donald trump, you're not talking about the republican party, you're talking about a guy who has bucked the establishment. well bernie and those guys got cheated by the dems, donald trump fought the republican party. what you're seeing is he's going to make the transition. >> sandra: robert mueller adding another democrat to his team of trump/russia investigators. that's in addition to at least three other mueller recruits who have given more than $50,000 to democrats since 1988. from supporters say that raises big concerns that the investigation will be biased against the president. meantime, sean spicer fielding a question during yesterday's briefing about the existence of audio recordings. >> second question about the tapes between the president and james comey. where those tapes made? did they exist? with the president be releasing them on friday? >> the president has said he will make an announcement on that, you can expect at this week. when he is ready to make an announcement, we'll let you know. >> sandra: house intelligence committee adam schiff has warned that he will subpoena any tapes at the white house fails to respond by friday. to you first. >> mercedes: first of all, i want to go back to mueller very quickly. there is a consistent pattern where he's hiring these democrats who are giving thousands of dollars to either obama, a clinton super pac, whatever. secondly, there is a big concern here. there are two lawyers who were part of a law firm that represented the other side, the defense. what the problem with that in particular is that they could have had access to information. you have to bring up these questions because you have to ask yourself, why would mueller bring these individuals in knowing they were part of a law firm that were representing the other side? >> kevin: bingo. you just nailed it. why? donald trump is not complaining. the entire trump team, nobody is complaining. that's what americans should be asking themselves. why is donald trump, knowing this, knowing that jack deck it against him? if you are innocent of something, even if the deck is stacked against you, you are in control. he may not have all the people on his side in the justice department, but he is the guy at the helm. >> meghan: he needs to give the american people a reason to mistrust the investigation. it supposed to be about whether or not they had any collusion with russia. now it's turned into why and whether or not -- let me finish. now it's turned into the firing of james comey, which president trump had every right to do. it turned into this, so highly politicized. you can't find a person in america that doesn't think this is a politicized investigation. why robert mueller would continue to go find attorneys that have these ties to the clinton foundation blows my mind. >> kevin: again, who does it help in the end? donald trump is not complaining, he's not telling mueller, will make it fair and balanced. >> harris: part of the question and part of the reason i think the president may not be panicking is because there are reports. there are leaks out of the investigation. how would it everç be justified when you've got things leaking? that has been the hallmark of every presidency. >> mercedes: leaks from a special counsel, that compromises the investigation. >> kevin: what would happen if donald trump complaint? >> harris: he doesn't have to complain, we can see that. >> mercedes: the american people should complain. the speech rate for those who care about the dramatic agenda they will accomplish, especially by making this debt with a bunch of liberals. i don't want to sit here and talk about this forever and by the way, i don't think they make in people who want that either. >> kevin: they don't, but when it's all said and done, it comes back and there's nothing there, what he's done is he's putting a dead nail in the democrats. you wanted this, you got everything you wanted in terms of the people who investigated me and you came up with nothing. now i get to go back to my agenda in the next thing you bring up, i cannot tweet about it. >> sandra: don't you think this white house should say, and hold on a second. can you find somebody that doesn't have these ties? >> kevin: they are saying give these people enough rope to hang themselves with. >> mercedes: is a difficult decision where you can make an opinion, but from the outside, it leaves voices -- >> kevin: trump should be called an obstructionist if he said anything about this. >> harris: we can let this cook and bank on its own without having too much input from the president. it would be helpful if they all just concentrate on their jobs and if this one democrat representative is true, she's right, nobody wants to talk about it. >> meghan: of the situation were reversed and the democratic president were being investigated with ties to the bush administration, democrats would be screaming but he murder the streets. >> sandra: president trump getting back to what he does best. tonight he will be holding his fifth campaign style rally since taking office. what can we expect to hear? and is is a good way for the president to rally his base amid ongoing challenges? that will be next hi i'm joan lunden. today's senior living communities have never been better, with amazing amenities like movie theaters, exercise rooms and swimming pools, public cafes, bars and bistros even pet care services. and there's never been an easier way to get great advice. a place for mom is a free service that pairs you with a local advisor to help you sort through your options and find a perfect place. a place for mom. you know your family we know senior living. together we'll make the right choice. finding the best hotel price is now a safe bet. because tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites - so you save up to 30% on the hotel you want. lock it in. tripadvisor. you totanobody's hurt, new car. but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? 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>> harris: what's complicated that i see right now, having the president bring obamacare recipients who have had so many problems for their families and businesses to the white house, to see them do that, we've seen him go to places like ohio to talk to people on the ground. he is in this now more than eve ever. >> mercedes: he's been in this since day one. he wants to get the work done. things move very slowly in washington. they don't work at his pace, at a business level pace. i think it's very critical for the president. in the white house, you are in a bubble. you don't have a direct connection to the american people. for the president, he feeds off their energy and he's able to connect with the american people, going to these rallies. you get a different vibe and feel out of washington. it's his way to be able to directly talk to the people without having the media. >> sandra: not just to rally the base, but to rally himself. >> kevin: how many presidents have done anything like this, especially coming off a win like that? this is showmanship at its finest and it's taking a page away from the left who tend to do these types of things. they're the ones that rally and protest and do these things. here's trump saying it was never a mandate. there were no overwhelming pieces of legislation, but not to take it away, it's a bad thing. >> harris: is there a risk of the president getting out there and going forward? >> meghan: i compare it to getting musicians out of the studio and bringing them to a concert. there were reports he's not doing doing well. he's bored. anytime you can get him out and remind him why he won, why he is president, it's great for his base, is a great for anyone else, will it move the needle? no. but i think it's good for morale. he's not innately a political animal. >> mercedes: i don't see the political risks because you are able to control your message better. the one thing the white house press corps hates to do is get out of washington and get out of their cozy seats. get them on a plane. they're going to iowa and they can't focus on anything else except at the president talking about. when you're starting to see is a control of messaging. >> harris: it that was my question, is a better controlled here or white house? >> mercedes: you're starting to see week by week, they're releasing a theme. two weeks ago it was workforce development and apprenticeship. one week was infrastructure spending. they are trying to get -- >> sandra: the message should be about jobs, the american stock market is skyrocketing to all-time highs, expect to hear a lot of a lot of that. >> harris: that's a good point too. he says he wants to meet with ivanka trump to talk about family leave. >> mercedes: everyone wants to meet with ivanka trump. >> harris: eric holder is gearing up to take on president trump. he says he plans to lead the legal resistance against the president which may include a possible run for the white house. really? ♪ managing blood sugar is not a marathon. it's a series of smart choices. and when you replace one meal or snack a day with glucerna made with carbsteady to help minimize blood sugar spikes you can really feel it. glucerna. everyday progress. lobster and shrimp are teaming up in so many new dishes.fest, like coastal lobster and shrimp, with shrimp crusted with kettle chips. or new, over-the-top lobster and shrimp overboard. but it can't last, so hurry in. it's ok that everybody ignoit's fine.n i drive. because i get a safe driving bonus check every six months i'm accident free. because i don't use my cellphone when i'm driving. even though my family does, and leaves me all alone. here's something else... i don't share it with mom. i don't. right, mom? 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you have loretto lynch trying to hold meetings with bill clinton on the tarmac, you have this gu guy. >> sandra: you can say it's unbelievable, but i guess it's not until you tell me who's on the bench. what does that look like? >> kevin: this is a guy who is claim to is looking for the guy who thought guam would tip over. they brought up julian castro to make him secretary. elizabeth warren, you've got cory booker. >> mercedes: it's an interesting list. >> meghan: he says i'm going to use my notoriety. what kind of campaign -- i'm famous, i was close to president obama, electing a president. again, he's bring up serious allegations -- they were brought up against him. >> harris: it begs the question, what is the democratic party doing?ç are they on the corner saying who are we and they're just cursing at their base. >> meghan: who thought trump would be president? there is always somebody waiting in the wings. it's not eric holder. >> sandra: there is notoriety. >> meghan: i'm famous, i don't know what president obama. it's ridiculous. >> mercedes: i caution. don't jump off the cliff. i think for democrats, they have to figure out a way for where there are providing solutions where if this resistance as bernie sanders talked about yesterday, we have to continue to resist. it's not working. bernie sanders, he was -- it still is one of the most popular politicians in america. after recognize that we need to keep bringing independence to the republican space. >> meghan: will be right back, more "outnumbered" in just a minute mmmm. mmmm. mmmm... ugh. nothing spoils a moment like heartburn. try new alka-seltzer ultra strength heartburn relief chews. it's fast, powerful relief with no chalky taste. 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