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>> they were very proud and very happy and it was a beautiful time. i had an amazing time. three hours is probably a record-setting long debate. but i guess you're sell a lot of commercials during that. because they increased it, supposed to be two, but they were very professional the way they handled it. cnn did a very good job. >> we agree about that. seems like it was well run. a lot to talk about. who do you think came out on top with the best ideas for the american people? >> i think everybody did well. nobody did poorly. i think everybody did very well. i was very impressed. >> anybody more than anybody else? >> i don't want to say that. i think certain people did really well. i would never say that of course. >> carly fiorina is getting good buzz coming out of the debate. >> i think she's a very nice person. i think that really i think everybody did very well, chris. >> do you feel that you did something differently tonight than you did in the first debate? >> no, i think probably the first debate went very well for me also. they both went very well. they're saying very nice things. i heard a couple of people come over and say, wow, that was great. i think i'm very happy with both performances actually. >> there seemed to have been more discussion among the candidates during the breaks and afterwards here in this debate than in the first one. >> i think that's true. we're getting to know each other a little bit. it is quite tough and sometimes a little nasty, we're getting to know each other and, you know, you develop relationships. i have a lot of respect for a lot of people on the stage. >> what have you learned after tonight? >> well, i've learned that i have no trouble standing for three hours. and, you know, that's -- literally it must be a record. i hope that the audience is okay. i actually think it is a little bit too long. but i learned that we have a lot of talent in the republican party and i think we'll do very well come election day. >> when you look to your left and look to your right tonight, did you still feel you stand above those who else would want the job? >> i never say that. i would never say that i do. i think i'll do a great job. i think i'll be the greatest jobs producer that there ever has been in this country. i know exactly what to do. that's what i do do. cnn did a poll. i was number one in terms of leadership, number one in terms of the economy and jobs. and i don't mean number one by a little bit. you know the poll very well, by many times and i think i would certainly do an unbelievable job of putting the country back to work and literally i think people would be extremely happy and extremely proud of our country. >> can you point to anything that you heard tonight where you listened and thought, you know what, i like that idea? i think i'll use that? >> i heard a lot of things. we'll discuss it on your show at length. i have a whole family over here. >> have to process. what do you do next? >> i'm getting on the plane, we'll go back to new york and then i'm going up to new hampshire tomorrow afternoon and going to iowa. i'm going all over the place. we're having a lot of fun. the polls have been amazing. amazing. the receptivity has been so incredible. in dallas we sold out the mavericks arena. we were in alabama, mobile, alabama. had 31,000 people. the response has been incredible. they like what i'm saying. they agree with what i'm saying. >> what does it mean to have your family in the crowd, your daughter, your son? >> it is great to have them. they seem to be so receptive today. they liked -- i could see they were giving me high five sign. >> ivanka must have liked it when you said she should be on the $10 bill. >> she sat for a long time tonight. we had a good time. i was impressed with everybody. >> so if tomorrow after the pundits discuss and the polls come out and they say trump is on top, will you be surprised? >> i wouldn't be. i think i did very well. i think everybody did well. i think i did very well. >> gave enough meat on the bones? >> i think so, yeah. >> thank you for talking to us. good luck going forward. >> thank you. >> anderson, there you have it. mr. trump, everybody is working the room up here. there has been a lot more discussion among them than we have seen in the past. >> yeah. and that, david axelrod, was the question. could donald trump handle more discussion between the candidates? >> yeah. first of all, let me say for a guy who says he's not a politician, he sure reads a lot of polls. he quotes a lot of polls. but in terms of -- i don't think he was particularly specific tonight. but what he did do is bang the drum again on the issues that are driving his base on immigration in particular, on some tax issues that are driving his base. i think he did what he wanted to do. i also think he was a little bit more subdued than he's been in the past. he started the debate inexplicably slapping rand paul gratuitously who wasn't even in the discussion. then he calmed down and it seemed over the course of the three hours that he settled into a rhythm. i actually thought he did what he had to do. >> amanda carpenter, former spokesperson for ted cruz, who how do you think he did? >> i think senator cruz used his time very effectively. if you look at the debates going into the senate in september, particularly, iran, and planned parenthood. he spent a lot of time on those issues because he has a very effective platform to fight on them, show them he can be effective and show that he's fighting in a way that other people can't and won't. so that was a good use of his time. as for donald trump, i think it is very interesting, tonight was an endurance test. as carly fiorina said it is a test. i noticed throughout the debate as the discussion became more substantive, he faded away. i think he recognized that. you can see him being a little bit -- a glimmer of humility tonight. >> i think as the discussion got more substantive on foreign policy, marco rubio really was quite forceful. i think he distinguished himself. i think chris christie also managed to get into the discussion very forcefully. and scott walker actually did himself some good tonight. >> and i think speaking of scott walker, does chris have scott walker? let's -- as soon as he does, let me know. john king, for you, what were the moments. >> trump was a less dominating presence in the fox debate. he was a presence tonight. >> didn't make any mistakes. >> to david's point, he made key points with his constituency. one of the interesting conversations with conservatives around the country if you look at the twitter feeds, reaching out to conservatives in key states, there is a debate about whether he hurt himself by going after george w. bush. rare he comes up in a positive way in a republican primary, but the exchange with jeb bush about george w. bush kept us safe, there is a conversation about that, as to whether that could have possibly hurt donald trump. the buzz about carly fiorina is very strong. a lot of people think she may have taken some of ben carson's votes tonight. he was less of a presence. marco rubio getting points among conservatives. he seems to be among a lot of conservatives the fallback guy as the race shakes out. one last point, among conservatives who said scott walker better show up tonight, they're not saying he won the debate, but he was much more of a presence tonight. >> we got to take a quick break. we'll continue the conversation throughout the next two hours. next moderator, jake tapper, joins us with dana bash and hugh hewitt on their experience down there in the fray. we'll be right back. the republican presidential debate is brought to you by bleeker street. now playing in select theaters. big day? 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>> depleted. >> dana? >> ditto. >> ernie banks, let's play two. >> play two more? you guys did an excellent job. let's talk about the substance. what did you think? who came away impressive, somebody who is going to maybe break out of the 15-member pack? >> i think it is, first of all, i think we all agree, it is very difficult to do punditry while trying to balance and herd the cats as we were this evening. we tried to be as even with the time as we could. i certainly think that people got to hear a lot more of ben carson this evening than they had in previous outings because he has risen to the second spot. and i heard very forceful, you know, approaches from, you know, marco rubio, chris christie, carly fiorina made her presence felt. >> did some come over to you and complain they were getting enough time. >> the daughter of one did but i won't name names because, you know -- >> it happens. >> it is her dad. >> yeah. >> what did you think, dana? what struck you as really important? >> they all came to play. they really did. and, you know, you could really feel it, i'm sure you can see it so much on camera, but you could feel it on the stage. everybody was kind of trying to get jake's eye, trying to get our eye, trying to get in, which was evident that they all -- they want -- they understood that they needed to make a mark, some of them i think maybe did more than others. but that was definitely the dynamic and i totally agree with you about carly fiorina. the one thing that struck me because i was sitting there thinking what is my takeaway towards the end, all of a sudden chris christie is this conservative. where does that come from? i'm not saying wasn't conservative before, but he was thought of as more mainstream in the republican movement. and he -- every question you asked, i asked, you asked, he fell over himself to try to move to the right. >> i'll tell you one thing, we all signaled in our interviews and everything that we wanted them to debate. that we wanted them to have exchanges with each other and disagree and, you know, we honed our questions accordingly to bring out differences between, for instance, chris christie and rand paul on marijuana and recognizing state laws or not. and for the most part, i think most of the candidates except for the ones who are naturally against insulting or attacking, most of them did that. >> even those who didn't want to do so personally, which is completely fine, i actually thought that, i mean, you especially, jake, you were able to get them going and debating on the issues that the republican voters are going to go to the polls. >> the research was terrific. you had all the evidence, where they disagree on substance and this, hugh, after all, was a debate. wasn't simply some sort of q&a. it was a debate. >> i'm a conservative. i'm happy. i don't think any one of them could complain about the time or the question selection. i think they'll all be very satisfied they had an opportunity to make a statement, and i think you're going to see unfortunately for people who want a smaller stage, i don't think anyone is going to fall off. i think everyone had moments. i think there was a great deal of energy at our end of the line. that might be physics because we're closer to governor christie, carly fiorina. we saw more of them in our line. maybe at the other end, less energy, marco rubio bloomed a few times. >> let me play one exchange you had and we'll discuss. listen to this. >> i'll ask you about this. in an interview last week in "rolling stone" magazine, donald trump said the following about you quote, look at that face, would anyone vote for that. can you imagine that? the face of our next president. mr. trump later said he was talking about your persona, not your appearance. please feel free to respond when what you think about his persona. >> you know, it is interesting to me, mr. trump said that he heard mr. bush very clearly and what mr. bush said. i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. >> i think she's got a beautiful face. and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> all right. that was a moment, shall we say, wasn't it? >> yeah, i mean, we all wondered was she going to take the quote and express offense. what was she going to do with it? and she chose to do less is more. she did the same after -- pardon me, the water went down the wrong pipe. >> drink some water. dana, you weigh in. you're a woman. what did you think of donald trump's reaction. >> thank you for clarifying that, both of you. and you're a man. i think that just for women out there, they got it. just like you were trying to say, less is more, from her perspective. you don't need to go too far to make your point and she did it with an economy of words. i think it was inconsiderably powerful. >> hugh? >> brevity is sometimes very powerful and that was useful, very powerful use of brevity. it is tricky in a debate setting to get time back to the court. sometimes you get punished for it. i think she'll be rewarded because it was clearly a harpoon and it stuck. >> the one thing i'll say on the other candidate that we're all watching for specifically was jeb bush who has been sinking in the polls. was he going to bring it and have energy? he did. i think he had as much as he could. and i thought at the end, your question about what your secret service code name was, the fact he came up with the name of a battery and he said, you know, eveready. i don't know if you could see on camera, but he and donald trump high fived on that. >> it was interesting. i think a lot of them came here determined, pardon me. to step up their game. you saw that with scott walker. you saw with carly fiorina. you saw that with jeb bush. rand paul and chris christie kind of already have been there, already been in the position of wanting to enter the fray. but those three, i think did up their game. >> i think they all came ready. they were prepared. they showed what they wanted to do but ready to exchange different ideas with their rivals. >> cnn telegraphed they were going to have jake and dana and i set it up so they could talk to each other and they were ready to do that and they did not hesitate to do that and it was wonderful. from the perspective of a republican primary voter to see them interact that way, not back and forth between the panelists and the candidates. the candidates got into it. and i think that serves the party and conservatives very well across a broad spectrum of issues. >> i would like to say one thing. we had a lot of questions we didn't get to ask. >> really? >> yes, some of the exchanges went on long. and i just -- there were two subjects in particular that i really -- i wish -- it is hard to argue that the debate should have been longer, but i wish we had gotten to and one of the reasons we didn't really -- one of the reasons they were among the first to fall were they weren't -- they didn't bring out a lot of conflict between the candidates, and one of them is the va and how to treat veterans. and what can be done about it. and the truth is there really isn't a lot of policy difference between them. you can have one of them criticize dr. carson's plan to fold the va into the pentagon but didn't seem like an area where there would be a lot of friction. i do regret not bringing it up. and the other one is black lives matter. there isn't really a lot of difference on the stage when it comes to that. but those are two issues that -- in a way that i wish we would have had time, but it is hard to argue that any of the good exchanges we had should have been cut. >> there will be several more republican debates. presumably these issues will come up. >> the world is on fire. iran and syria, it got the appropriate amount of time tonight, lengthy, detailed, energetic, and i think serves the purpose here. >> they grabbed those moments. >> stand by. back to anderson. he has more on what's going on. >> wolf, thank you very much. tonight ohio governor john kasich was not playing to a hometown audience like at the last debate in cleveland. a monmouth university poll put him in third place in a new hampshire poll with 11% behind donald trump and dr. carson. governor kasich joins me now. how did you feel about your own debate performance and standing out there for three hours, how did it feel out there? >> look, i just wanted to be myself. i got up on the stage. i really didn't have any nerves at all, anything bothering me and, you know, you always wish you could get a little bit more time. few more things you would like to say. but all and all, i think it was a good experience and it certainly was a lot of fun and memorable. >> when you look at the field, particularly donald trump who has a lead in the polls, do you think any numbers or anybody standing really changed tonight? somebody going up or somebody going down? >> well, you know, i'm not a prognosticator, anderson. look, the bottom line is, in the early states, you have to be on the ground. you take new hampshire, you have to do town hall meetings, people want to see you, they want to question you, and it is very, very grassroots oriented. so in terms of national polls or all of that, that's not the way we elect the president. we do it state by state, early states, and i'm building and doing those things in those states, and, you know, the one thing i wanted to stress tonight was my record. i really know how to land the plane. and get the passengers on the ground because there is a lot of promises, a lot of things that don't happen. i've done these things like balancing a federal budget and balancing the budget in ohio and driving real change. that was one thing i wanted to get across. i hope i did. >> a lot of people believe you appeal to the same voters perhaps as jeb bush, establishment conservative, how did you think he did, as compared to you? >> i thought he did fine. you know, it is really hard when you're on the stage because you try to concentrate, but, you know, i'll give everybody an a, how 's that? is that politically correct? i thought everybody did fine. >> you had strong disagreements tonight with senator cruz, specifically on the issues of iran and planned parenthood. did you feel you were able to explain your stance on these issues? >> well, i hope so. look, i don't want to fund planned parenthood. i think shutting the government down when you have a president that says i'm not going to put up with it is not the right way to go. we ought to send this some bills. he wants a veto, that's fine. that's different than shutting the government down. in terms of iran, all i tried to say is that we need to watch this agreement, we need to hold these folks accountable in iran. if they violate anything, sanctions go back on, and we can make the case to our allies. if we think they're developing a nuclear weapon, get that information, if i were president, military action would clearly be on the table. >> governor kasich, appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much. just ahead, reaction from voters to what they saw tonight and more of the most important moments from tonight's three-hour long gop debate. only nexium 24hr gives you nexium level protection for frequent heartburn all day and all night. try nexium 24hr, the #1 prescribed acid-blocking brand, and get all day, all night protection. nexium level protection. iflike i love shrimp, red lobster's endless shrimp... ...is kind of a big deal. it's finally back, with as much shrimp as you want, any way you want 'em. one taste of these new pineapple habanero coconut shrimp bites, and i already want more. they even brought back wood-grilled teriyaki shrimp! yeah, you heard me: teriyaki. and really: what's not to love about... ...buttery garlic shrimp scampi? 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>> i think he brought a lot of specifics. i was impressed with some of the facts, you know, we're looking for facts, not just thoughts or high level ideas and i think he did bring some facts to the table. you know. so he moved up a little. >> the group wants specifics, for sure. anderson, a lot of the people here think that carly fiorina was a big standout, including susan here. why do you think carly did such a good job? >> i think she took on donald trump. he did not impress me as much as he has in the past. but carly was there. she was steadfast. she was intelligent. she was -- she just really came across as someone that thought things through more than, you know, spoke off the cuff. she's an outsider. i think that we have in the last election cycle handed the republicans a pretty big majority and they have done nothing with it. so i'm looking at an outsider. >> how do you think, mike, donald trump did tonight and ben carson since they're neck and neck? >> the non traditional candidates, i'm not a supporter of them. i don't think they did themselves any favors. ben carson is a nice guy, well informed, but doesn't have the background and experience. and donald is donald. >> one thing, anderson, the entire group here, 100% think the country is going in the wrong direction. i'm going to hand it off to bob there quickly in the back. can you tell us why you think along with this group that the country is just headed in the wrong direction? >> i think the federal government is taking us in the wrong direction. i think they think short-term as opposed to long-term. short-term is the next election. the next fund-raiser. let's get elected. let's get somebody to agree with us. this is a tough business to run the government. >> absolutely. thanks to all of you here. that's just a small sampling of the various opinions here at our focus group at drake university, anderson. >> thank you very much for that. thank everybody for participating there. back with our panel. ana, you're a supporter of jeb bush. how do you think he did. his pac will start to spend a lot of money. he did break out tonight? >> i think he had a very good debate. he had solid answers. his answers get -- they're going to prove out to be true. he had some memorable moments. he showed a sense of humor, and actually worked. he apologized to his mom for having smoked pot. i think we'll remember that. he had that exchange with donald trump where they wound up high fiving each other. when it was about what the secret service code name was going to be. i also think he did a strong defense of his wife, strong defense of his brother. i thought jeb brought it, he was much better than in cleveland, that's, i think what people are going to measure him for. >> let's play -- >> marco was i thought exceptional when speaking about foreign policy. >> marco rubio. let's play an exchange where jeb bush tried to take on donald trump and particularly the one you referenced where he talked about his wife because the question was about some comments that donald trump tweeted about, including jeb bush's wife in that. let's play that exchange. >> governor bush, mr. trump has suggested that your views on immigration are influenced by your mexican-born wife. he said that, quote, if my wife were from mexico, i think i would have a soft spot for people from mexico. did mr. trump go too far in invoking your wife? >> he did, he did. you're proud of your family, just as i am. >> correct. >> to subject my wife into the middle of a raucous political conversation was completely inappropriate and i hope you apologize for that, donald. >> i hear phenomenal things. i hear your wife is a lovely woman. >> she is fantastic. she is the love of my life and you should apologize to her right now. >> i won't do that. >> they come into our country as an act of love. with all of the problems that we have in so many instances, we have wonderful people coming in. but with all of the problems, this is not an act of love. he's weak on immigration. by the way, in favor of common core, which is also a disaster. but weak on immigration. he doesn't get my vote. >> jeffrey lord, did jeb bush, ana navarro said he had a good debate, did he do enough? >> i'm not sure he did. one of the problems this bush has, this is something that john was just saying a few minute s ago, about the controversy over george w. bush and donald trump, et cetera, there is what i call the reagan/bush divide. if you notice the other day, jeb bush unbuttoned his shirt and had a reagan/bush '84 shirt. i was in that campaign. and there was always this little subrose of attention there, a first cousin to the outsider, insider debate. you got a lot of conservatives out there who are upset with george w. bush, not just over iraq, but they're upset about domestic spending. upset about domestic policies here. that is a real problem here. and i think when you see jeb sort of deal with this kind of thing, this is all about my wife, it is really about much more than that. and, you know -- >> amanda? >> i think the most interesting subtext with jeb bush in this debate is his new found willingness to defend his family. his best moment of the debate, i think, is when he came out and reminded everyone that his brother kept america safe. on the same hand, i think that will haunt him long-term because tying himself to his brother's legacy is bad in the long run. for this performance, that was an important moment. >> let's play that moment and talk to this side. >> your brother and your brother's administration gave us barack obama because it was such a disaster those last three months that abraham lincoln couldn't have been elected. >> you know what, as it relates to my brother, there is one thing i know for sure, he kept us safe. i don't know if you remember. you remember the -- you remember the rubble? you remember the firefighter, with his arms around it? he sent a clear signal that the united states would be strong and fight islamic terrorism and he did keep us safe. >> does jeb bush get out of single digits? >> well, we don't know. i think he was stronger tonight than he has been in the past. i think the other republican candidates, by the way, defended w. when it came to national security saying, well, it was barack obama who gave us -- gave us the rise of isis. >> as did the audience. >> it was a republican audience. the person i think who didn't do himself any favors here tonight was dr. carson. you didn't hear a lot substantive from him. he was kind of quiet as we have seen. and i thought that he and trump might engage each other a little bit more. and i think there was kind of a mutual detente. >> dr. carson, he questioned trump's faith he walked it back and apologized. david, you think that perhaps the gop in focusing so extensively on illegal immigrations -- >> i think this was a repeat of 2012. i think the party did a retrospective on the campaign and said we have to do better in reaching out to hispanics, to women, to young people. this is not the debate the party wants to have going into this election. it is problematic spending all that time on planned parenthood, which has great support among the broader electorate, particularly among women, spending all that time on immigration and competing with each other to get to the right of each other. this is a repeat of what we saw in 2012. one of the reasons why reince priebus was so eager to limit the number of debates and try and control them. i think plainly he hasn't been successful. >> however, the fact of the matter is they're competing in a republican primary. we are four months from the iowa caucuses, which has a very conservative evangelical dominated electorate. to david's point, we'll see how this plays out when we get to the general election. >> but mitt romney -- >> talk too much about government -- >> mitt romney will attest to the fact when he talked about it in the primary it lived to haunt him in the general. the planned parenthood discussion in the primary lived to haunt him in the general. >> that haunted mitt romney because it was the nominee who said it. it if trump doesn't end up being the nominee, i don't think the things that trump has been saying are going to haunt marco rubio, lindsey graham, jeb bush. >> the bush legacy, did he keep -- did george w. keep us safe? yes. on the other hand, he left the presidency according to "the new york times"/cbs poll, there is the problem, right there. >> and so you have these candidates trying to establish their lanes tonight. i think that most of the buzz seems to be that fiorina did the best. trump did okay. carson was a little missing. i thought what was fascinating was the back and forth with governor kasich, governor bush, governor christie, the guys saying, look, it is great what you're saying but someone has to put their hand on the bible and govern on day one. reach deals to get anything done. watching them trying to establish their space. one of them will still be standing. >> they weren't fighting with each other. >> but trying to convince their slice of the electorate. they're trying to -- jeb bush's philosophy and john kasich believes the same thing, christie to a lesser degree, the republican party has moments of pat buchanan comes along, they still believe in the end the party will come back to the establishment guy and this is all -- >> what is interesting to me is when they introduced themselves, rand paul introduced himself as an eye doctor from kentucky. you don't have to have 20/20 vision to know he's a senator as well. rubio says he doesn't go to the senate anymore because it is not worthwhile to go there. washington was a big loser in this debate for sure. >> how big a mistake was it for donald trump to come back to carly fiorina and say -- >> beautiful. >> you have a beautiful face. >> first rule of law, stop digging. it was so patronizing. >> i thought it was brilliant because he -- he surprised us with his answer. >> but he didn't apologize. >> but he shut it down. >> i don't think he did. >> we have to take a break. fact checking the candidates tonight. ben carson joins us ahead at the top of the hour. we'll be right back. big day? 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>> well, it went by pretty fast, actually. i was surprised. and, you know, we would all like to have a little more time to explain our positions, but, you know, considering there are 11 people on the stage, i think it went reasonably well. there were times when the moderators seemed to lose control of what was going on, but -- >> on the campaign trail, several days ago, you were asked by reporters and you talked to -- made critical comments about -- or some beliefs about donald trump's faith, you later apologized for that. there were opportunities where you could have attacked donald trump had you wanted to. you did not choose to do that. is that something you thought about a lot going into the debate? >> i'm not generally someone who attacks other people, out of general principle. i would much rather talk about what the problems are and what the solutions are. that's the way i've been for decades now. i'm probably never going to be the guy you want when you want a big fight. >> was there -- was there a moment that stood out to you in the debate, whether it was something you said or something you heard elsewhere on that stage? >> i really wanted to get included in the discussion about putin. and what we should be doing. i was looking for an opportunity to talk about, you know, our electric grid, and cybersecurity, and our lack of participation in space and what the implications are for that and the security of the the nation. because i think those are huge issues in terms of our safety and what's going to happen with our children and grandchildren. but the opportunity just didn't present itself. >> where terms of where you see this campaign going, you're behind donald trump, one of the few in double digits, in terms of your organizational structure, that's what some on the panel said look, you don't have the organizational structure at this point to get to the next level that you need to get. how actively are you working on that? is that a concern for you? i know people very underestimating you all along. >> i will say at some point they'll get tired of being wrong. obviously we have a good organizational structure. reporter who initially made that accusation has subsequently said he was wrong. and he apologized. >> carly fiorina, the first time she was on the stage. a lot of people saying she really did make a mark tonight. as a candidate, how do you see her from what you' heard from her tonight? >> i've known carly for almost 20 years and she did not disappoint. she's very, very good, particularly at the quick sound bite. and she's quick on her feet. and one of the reasons that i insisted early on that she be included is because i knew she would have an impact. >> one of the exchanges you had with donald trump is about vaccines. i want to play that for our viewers. >> i'm in favor of vaccines, do them over a longer period of time. the same amount in smaller sections. i think you're going to see a big impact on autism. >> dr. carson, you just heard his medical take. >> he's an okay doctor. but the fact of the matter is we have extremely well documented proof that there's no autism associated with vaccinations. but it is true that we are probably giving way too many in too short a period of time. and a lot of pediatricians now recognize that, and i think are cutting down on the number and proximity in which those are done. >> and that's all i'm saying, jake. that's all i'm saying. >> first of all, you saying he's an okay doctor. that's a reference to something he called you. a clever way of pushing back on it without pushing back. it doesn't -- at the end of that, it sounded like you two weren't far apart on this issue. do you think that's accurate? >> well, on the issue of too many vaccinations in too close a period of time, that's what he was agreeing with. and that's a reasonable position to take. and one of the positions i was saying is there's vaccines that are very critical to public health. there are others that, you know, they're nice but they're not critical. and i think it would be useful for us to differentiate the two. and, you know, not impose the ones that aren't absolutely critical. >> your campaign manager was on cnn earlier today saying the philosophy of him and the rest of the campaign is let dr. carson be dr. carson. is that moving forward with you. is he plugging away? >> as i go around the country helping people so understand what our fiscal condition is, which is very serious. i was quite disappointed that we didn't get into that at all. that's a huge issue in terms of the civility of this nation. >> it's always a pleasure. thank you, sir. appreciate it. >> just past the top of the hour now. before we bring in the panel, there are some highlights from a very big night. >> first of all, rand paul shouldn't even be on this stage. he's number 11. he has 1% on the poll, and how he got up here, there's far too many people anyway. >> i think his visceral response to attack people on their appearance, short, tall, fat, ugly. my goodness, that happened in junior high. >> i never attacked him on his look. and believe me, there's plenty of subject matter right there. >> you've got hillary clinton to go to your wedding because you gave her money. >> i was a businessman. i got along with clinton. i got along with everybody. that was my job, to get along with everybody. excuse me, one second. >> no, the simple fact is you could not take -- >> more energy tonight, i like that. >> you better be able to lead our country the first day in office. not six months from now. not a year from now. our president could very well confront a national security crisis and a president better be up to date on his first day in office or or his or her first day in office. you said that's going to haunt him. >> i think it's a terrible statement. i think it's going to haunt him absolutely. why did you say it? why did you say it? i heard it myself. >> we need to increase child support with a broken system by 90% -- >> you said women's health issues. you said it. you said it. >> ms. fiorina, i do want to ask ask you about this. in an interview, donald trump said the following about you, quote, look at that face. would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that? the face of our next president. mr. trump later said he was talking about your persona, not your appearance. please feel free to respond what you think about his persona. >> you know, it's interesting to me, mr. trump said that he heard mr. bush very clearly in what mr. bush said. i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. [ applause ] >> i think she's got a beautiful face and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> i haven't had an opportunity to weigh in on foreign policy, and i just want to mention that when the war -- when the issue occurred in 2003, i suggested to president bush that he not go to war, okay? so i just want that on the record. >> you were forced to file for bankruptcy, not once, not twice, four times. a record four times. why should we trust you to manage the finances of this nation any differently than you manage the finances of your casino. >> this personal back and forth about the history of donald and caly's career, for the 55-year-old construction worker in the audience tonight who doesn't have a job who can't fund his child's education, they could careless about your careers. >> we could see how many people smoked pot in high school. >> 40 years ago, i smoked marijuana. i admit it. other people may not want to say it. my mom is not happy that i just did. that's true. >> i'm in favor of vaccines, do them over a longer period of time, same amount, but just in little sections. >> dr. carson, you just heard his medical take. >> he's an okay doctor. >> what would you want your secret service code name to be? >> eveready, it's very high energy, donald. >> mr. trump? >> humble. >> that's a good one. >> just some of the moments and themes we'll be talking about tonight with host of the cnn program varying his name. michael smerconish. also senior political reporter joins us. cnn national security commentator, mike rodgers. obviously a former republican congressman who chaired the house intelligence committee. also joining us, kevin madden, and van jones. a cnn political commentator. just quickly go around. van, your thoughts on who stood out? >> well, carly had a tremendous night. she'll be up five points. i just think that she wanted the ball, she fought for the ball, she got the ball. jeb actually humanized himself. he talked about his brother, stood up for his brother. not necessarily politically smart. he talked about hi mom and he talked about his desire to do well for the country. i thought jeb bush actually humanized himself tonight. rubio put in a good performance, but carly was the standout. >> s.e. cupp. >> i agree. it's really hard to meet very high expectations. i thought she beat them. she came in with incredibly high expectations. she performed incredibly well, she was quick on her feet. i like what she did. every opportunity she got, she laid out incredibly substantive policy points. they weren't even asked for and she went -- she knew how valuable her time was. she wasn't going to use it with platitudes. she was going to use it with policy points that i don't think any of the other candidates matched. and frankly weren't even demanded. >> she definitely came into this well prepared with some definite ideas in mind with how to make her mark. >> absolutely. the policies really stood out. we're definitely going to see headlines that carly was a big winner. i also think rubio. he had a similar strategy of really showing he was the better candidate on some of the big issues they care about. namely i thought they stood out on national security and foreign policy. the other headline is that trump actually -- he took some punches tonight. he was knocked down a peg. i think the big question for a lot of these campaigns in the next day is do we put our boot on his neck or do we let him off? and so that will be interesting to see what they do. >> do you think he was really knocked down among the numbers of people who -- >> i think he did enough to help with some of those showing support right now. i think for the other campaigns who have been dancing around him and not sure how to hit them, i think they saw him like a boxer who finally bled for the first time. i think they're going to continue to get more and more aggressive as this campaign starts to go. >> chairman rodgers, do you agree with that? do you think that it was the length of time, it was the fact that you could get kind of specific on policy because you had candidates talking to each other? >> and trump clearly had trouble on national security and foreign policy issues. you could tell he didn't have a comfort zone there. he got himself in a little bit of trouble talking circles. there were three classes of folks up there. you have senators, former governors or governors, and then you had the outside class. that's 50% of the vote, by the way, over 50% of the vote is going to those three individuals. she knocked the ball out of the park. if you're thinking trump stumbled for me, i think those votes go to carly. ben carson didn't have a great night. i think those folks go to carly. i think she's going to be a big winner in this. and i thought marco rubio clearly stood out because he had such command on the issue of foreign policy in a way the other folks did not. >> i thought also chris christie i thought did well. he had a sense of personality. he was funny at times. he had what seemed like a gimmick at his opening when he said listen, don't put the camera on me, put the audience on here. and he rounded that out at the end when he said this isn't about me, it's about the person out there in this audience who's watching. it's a bit ironic, because who's a candidate who rose because of his personality. and now he's saying it's not about me, it's about the american voters. trying to get that populism that we have not seen. the whole concept of leaning in that women are talking about. this is what he did time and time again. you wanted the camera on her, you wanted to see the reaction, what she would do with these questions. and she often had better answers to questions than everyone else. it's almost like she was the clean-up woman in some ways. >> i agree with everything that's been said relative to the facts. she has a public speaking gift. she has to smile. >> wait a minute, there was not a smile all night long. there are times to be serious, but you've got to loosen it up. >> it was interesting how, you know, ben carson kind of used when he said to donald trump, he's an okay doctor, just a small little line, it's a little levity that kind of shows jeb bush i think kind of humanized himself. >> plus she had something to prove tonight. she's a newcomer up on the big stage. i think she had to say i can hang with these people who have been up on the big stage for some time. >> i want to mention, of all the guys that did these sort of schticky answers on the dollar bill question, which is a throwaway question, but a chance to sort of -- she's the only one who gave the right answer. it's a gesture, it's meaningless. they're all trying to put their moms and wives on this. i thought she really shone in that moment. >> at the heart, these are performances. and in a performance, the one thing you want to do is drive home some themes and attributes. and the theme she successfully drove home today was somebody who is clear, concise, really strong on a lot of these issues. and a greatly great command of the issue. michael is right. there has to be a relateability and a likeability. >> it will come. >> that will come. and there's plenty of time. >> i saw it all on twitter. i just think it's a double standard. you want to know who a real sour puss, i didn't see marco rubio smile once. nobody is criticizing marco rubio. >> he pulled up the water. >> marco rubio has a joke that doesn't work, he doesn't smile the whole time. carly did something extraordinary. she fought her way from the undercard, the only one that was able to do it and dominated tonight. she is going to go up. now, i agree with you, warmth is important, strength and warmth together is unstoppable. during this thing as a democrat watching this, there was a strange embrace of george w. bush. now, i said, can you please have all of them embrace george w. bush, that will help democrats a lot. but something happened tonight where george w. 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you got to mix it up right next to each other and you were trading barbs. is that awkward, were you comfortable, were you welcoming that moment? >> when i had 100,000 protester, i had people take own events about as close as we are right now getting in our face and we didn't back down. we took on the machine, we took on the washington-based special interests. i just think in the end, though, people want in the future to hear more details about what our plans are. i've got a plan to grow the economy, i've got plans to take huge chunks of the federal government and send it back to the states and the people. the more we talk about that, the better off we're going to be. >> a lot of the buzz online is carly fiorina stole the show. what did you think of her performance and exchanges with donald trump? >> i think she's impressive and the things he said about her were completely unacceptable. but it's a great field of candidates out there. wonderful republicans running. hopefully whomever the nominee is will pick a good number to be in the cabinet. that would be a pretty good fit, just like lincoln did, to put many of those same folks in. i think america has to see there's pretty great talent in the republican party. >> would you be willing taking a cabinet position? >> i'm focused on earning the trust of all of those as governor. i'm working hard to earn that trust to be the one making that choice. >> did you think tonight was a breakthrough moment? >> a lot of people have said to me at caves and diner, you're my top two candidates out there. i want to see the passion you show when you took on the union bosses and special interests. i think we showed that tonight. >> governor scott walker, thanks so much for being with us. back to anderson. >> alisyn, thank you. we'll talk to dana bash and hugh hewitt. we'll talk about carly fiorina and the big mark she made on that stage tonight. we'll be right back. i've spoken of the shining city all my political life. god blessed and teeming with people of all kinds... living in harmony and peace. trump: they're bringing crime. they're rapists. if i am elected they're... going to be out of there day one. reporter: do you think birth right citizenship should be ended? walker: yeah, absolutely. cruz: i think we should end birth right citizenship trump: i will build a great, great wall... in my mind it was a tall proud city built of... rocks stronger than oceans. and if there had to be city walls... the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. that's how i saw it and see it still. brand sleep deprived. . bring us those who want to feel well rested and ready to enjoy the morning ahead aleve pm. the first to combine a safe sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. for pain relief that can last until the am. so you... you... and you, can be a morning person again. aleve pm for a better am. now available with an easy open cap. i was going to the library to do my homework. it was a little bit of a walk to get to the bus stop. i had to wait in line to use the computer. took a lot of juggling to keep it all together. what's possible when you have high-speed internet at home? 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>> i don't know. >> the moment that came up tonight has become an issue, what has happened to the kentucky county clerk kim davis. let me play for our viewers that exchange with you this evening. >> governor bush for example says that clerk should uphold the law. is governor bush on the wrong side of the criminalization of christianity? >> no, i don't think he's on the wrong side of such an issue. jeb is a friend. i'm not up here to fight with jeb or anybody else. but i am here to fight for somebody who is a county clerk elected under the kentucky constitution. 75% of the state voted for said marriage was between a man and a woman. we made accommodations to the detainees of gitmo. i have seen the accommodations that we made to the muslim detainees who killed americans. you're telling me that you can not make an accommodation for an elected democrat county clerk from rowan county, kentucky? >> i don't believe you're stating my views right. i think there needs to be accommodation for someone acting on their faith. >> you said, quote, she is sworn to uphold the law. >> she is. so if she based on conscious can't sign that marriage license, then there should be someone in her office to be able to do it. if the law needs to be changed in the state of kentucky, which she is advocating, then it should be changed. >> this is your soul issue, it's eclipsing other things. >> no, i don't think so at all. if we don't understand the balance of power, separation of powers and the equality of branches and if we surrender to judicial tyranny. jefferson said you turn the constitution into a thing of wax. i think it's an issue we should talk a great deal more. a president who surrenders the executive branch of government to the other two, especially to the court has been derelict in his duty. he has not fulfilled his oath of office. so this issue was to me a seminal moment, when a county clerk is put in jail, not just told hey, you need to do this. put in jail. people need to remember that. and no accommodation made for her. but we made accommodations for the ft. hood shooter. we've made accommodations for the detainees at gitmo who are terrorists and killed americans. and i cannot imagine that this country cannot make some type of accommodation for kim davis. >> very quickly, you said that you would put anybody there in your cabinet. what would secretary trump be? >> it would be very difficult to limit him to one thing. but, you know, people need to realize, donald trump has a lot of gifts and talents. he's a man of great accomplishment. if donald trump were willing to serve in government, i would be more than happy to find a spot for him. i think people are underestimating his ability as a communicator. look, if you're a guy that's made $10 billion in business, you've done some things right, right? so give him his due. >> great to see you. thank so much. back to you, anderson. >> i want to go to tom forman now who has been busy fact checking some of the statements the candidates made tonight. tom? >> anderson, donald trump has said so many times that he is so wealthy, you don't have to worry about him mixing money and politics. but tonight, jeb bush pushed back hard saying too late. trump has tried to buy political influence. listen. >> you won a casino gambling in florida. you wanted it and you didn't get it because i was opposed before during and after. >> i promise if i wanted it, i would have gotten it. >> no way. not even possible. >> i know my people. >> one of the hotter moments of the night. back in the late 1990s, trump did hold a fund-raiser for jeb bush when trump was trying to get a casino deal in florida. what trump is saying is false. bush ultimately blocked that what bush said in this issue was truth. carly fiorina took on the videotapes surreptitiously shot that showed planned parenthood associates trying to sell body parts from aborted fetuses. >> i dare hillary clinton, barack obama to watch these tapes. a fully formed fetus lie on the table, heart beating, legs kicking while someone is saying we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain? >> is there something that looks like that? yeah, there's actually a short portion that shows that's what's going on, but it was edited in. and there's no evidence that is tied to planned parenthood. so it's true, but there it's misleading. and ted cruz jumped in on the tapes as well. >> it is a felony with ten years jail term. >> well, it is a crime to sell body parts, but there's no evidence that anyone is confessing to anything on these tapes. in fact, if you watch them carefully, what you hear is these representatives saying many times, this is for the handling, this is for the processing. it's less than $100 per sample. this is not a matter of profit. so for him to suggest that this is a clear confession of some sort, that is simply not true. false statement, anderson. >> all right, tom. the democrats face-off next month. the cnn/facebook debate takes place on october 13th. i'll be the moderator for that. that's it for us. 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"outfront" tonight, donald trump stumped. the republican frontrunner unable to answer key foreign policy questions. accusing the questioner of trying to play gotcha. see what happened when trump was asked to identify some top terror leaders. >> as far as the individual players, of course i don't know them. i haven't been in a position to meet them. if they're still there, i will know them better than i know you. >> tonight, trump is firing back at the host of that program, hugh hewitt calling him a third-rate announcer. some of his opponents are seizing on this saying it's an example of why trump's not fit to be commander in chief. dana bash is "outfront" tonight with more. dana, the big question, will this make any difference with trump supporters? >> reporter: with the spoet supporters, it's unlikely. it's those on fence that matters. that's the vast majority of the republican electoral at in stage. his gop opponents, they are trying to seize on it. take a listen. when you are the frontrunner expect tough questions. a conservative radio host wanted to know if donald trump is ready to be xhcommander in chief. >> do you know the players without a score card? >> you know, i will tell you honestly, i think by the time we get to office, they will be changed. they will be gone. >> reporter: that after trump seemed so confuse two groups. >> are you familiar with general solomani? >> yes. give me -- tell me. >> he runs the quds forces. >> they have been horribly mistreated. >> not the kurds. the quds, the iranian revolution forces, the bad guys. >> reporter: he accused him of gotcha questions. >> when you ask who is running this, this, this, that is -- i will be so good at the military, your head will spin. >> thank you. >> reporter: carly fiorina, another candidate from business, not politics, was on same program the same day answering with more fluency. >> we know the qud force has been a powerful tool of the iranian regime to sow conflict. >> reporter: other candidates piled on. >> you can't say, well, you know, i will hire the best people and it will be done. you have to have some sense of what's at risk here. >> if you don't know the answer to those questions, you are not going to be afble to serve as commander in chief. >> reporter: he is not the first who doesn't deal with geopolitical issues. here is ben carson earlier this year. >> should we have that sort of commitment that if putin makes a move on the baltic states we would go to war? >> well, if we have them involved in nato. we need to convince them to get involved ed id in nato. >> they are in nato. >> reporter: no one can argue ben carson who performed ground breaking surgeries is not bright. donald trump is a very smart man. polls show republican primary voters want outsiders to bring a new perspective to washington. those who do have experience, those who are running on that experience, they're hoping that voters will look at the reality tv star's interview and say he's not ready for prime time. >> dana bash, thank you so much. a lot to discuss about this. let's bring in jeffrey lord and rory cooper. thanks for coming on. rory, starting with you, we heard it, donald trump saying hugh hewitt asked gotcha questions. do you think trump has a right to be upset? >> no. he's a brilliant interviewer. he will do a brilliant job. he was asking fair questions. donald trump's not -- is not running to be dog catcher. he has to have a broad idea of what's going on in the world. voters will forgive whether he forgets names or who might be leading a current regime. who is leading a proxy war in syria? what is going on with troop movements in iraq? most importantly, who is directing strikes at u.s. tro troops? a commander in chief has to make decisions based off of a broad idea of what's going on. if you can't do that, you shouldn't run for president. >> marco rubio echoed that, saying if you aren't able to answer these questions, you shouldn't be commander in chief. what do you think? >> i think if these -- if the standards were applied to george w. bush, he would have never been president. the same game was played with george w. bush in 1999. he didn't know the same kind of answers. >> i remember that interview. i remember that interview, jeffrey. it was all names. >> before i came on here, i got an e-mail from a woman. i won't give her last name. she is a cnn interviewer. she's looking for somebody who has judgment, not who knows the details. to be candid, this sounds -- i like hugh hewitt. i have been on his show. in all candor, this sounds like he is pining for the carter presidency where the president knows all the details of the air force budget but has no judgment about what the soviet union is about. we need judgment, judgment. if you know all the details of a train and you are telling people we're going to boston but in fact the train is going to miami, you know, the fact that you know the details of the engine don't really help very much. >> rory, does trump have judgment? >> i remember the interview with george w. bush and did he get stumped on names. but he had an idea of what was going on in the world. donald trump clearly does not. judgment doesn't help when you have the joint chiefs of staff and the national security in a room in the national security council telling you different things and you have to make a decision based off of the information they're giving you. >> he has to make a judgment. >> based off a broad sense of what's going on. if you are getting information at that moment from the joint chiefs and you don't have any idea of what's going on in the most volatile region in the world and arguably the most volatile time in our generation, then you are not going to be able to make a sensible judgment. this isn't a game. this is a high-stakes arena. >> i mean, you know, trump has appealed to a lot of people. he's a good businessman, that he brings in good people. rory, is that enough? does he have to know all the answers if he is bringing in the best people? >> the current leadership in the military exists. he will walk in on day one and have a very competent military infrastructure to give him sound advice. he will have to have some idea of how to use that advice. right now, he is going in with a pretty naive vision of how you can be president. yes, in business you have the ability to dell egate and other people to make decisions. when you have your hand on the nuclear button, you have less room for failure. you have to have better judgment, better knowledge and base of support to go in and make sound decisions. >> jeffrey -- >> what we are hearing here is classic insiderdom. if you haven't been around washington for decades, if you don't know this stuff, you're not qualified to be president. i would remine the qualification to be president is you have to be 35 years old and a citizen of the country and a native born citizen of the country. that's it. >> to combat that i will look at carly fiorina. she is coming from outside washington and she was prepared to answer basic questions. >> carly came after donald trump and heard that interview. go ahead. >> that's correct. >> i think she did a -- >> i read her interview. she was a little mushy arn y ar the edges, too. i don't criticize that. i don't criticize that at all. otherwise, let's go back to president bush. i mean, president bush got up to speed pretty quick. anybody who is in that job will. these are the -- when ronald reagan showed up as president elect to meet with jimmy carter, carter complained that he had this long memo and this long list of things that he went over with reagan and he was upset because reagan didn't take notes. >> you will remember -- you will remember -- >> okay. i will have to ask you to carry on this conversation offline. gentlemen, thank you for coming on on a friday right before the holiday weekend. we appreciate it. jeffrey lord and rory cooper. hugh hewitt will be part of the cnn debate wednesday, september 16th, right here on cnn. 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"outfront" tonight, gloria borger. thanks for coming on. we just heard in tom's piece george w. bush couldn't name world leaders. he still won two presidential elections. the big question, will this even matter for trump? >> it's a different world now than it was for george w. bush. we live in a post-9/11 world. the american public sees beheadings by isis. they understand the stakes in the middle east. you have a pending iranian nuclear deal. i think it is very important terrain in this election. having said that, will it stick? will it matter for donald trump? you know, if you look at the republican field right now, pamela, there isn't anybody except for lindsey graham who is accomplished on foreign policy, but there isn't anybody with a depth of experience. marco rubio is on the foreign relations committee. but he's a first term senator. it depends who donald trump really is up against. >> if he is a republican nominee, what if he's up against the fofrmrmer secretary of stat? >> look, hillary clinton is the most experienced foreign policy contender in the presidential race, period. she is a former secretary of state. donald trump has said she is the worst secretary of state in history. what he has got to be able to do is back that up with facts and explanations. and that's going to be a big hurdle for him. when he has been asked who are your foreign policy advisers, he said, i watch a lot on the talk shows and i see good ones. it's very clear that he hasn't really taken that deep dive yet into foreign policy that when you are applying for the job of commander in chief is kind of the thing to do. if you are up against hill cry cl clinton, you better be prepared to back it up. >> we will see what happens. gloria borger, thank you so much for sharing your perspective. 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>> no, i haven't actually reviewed the videos yet. we're waiting for the fbi's tech lab to put these videos together. as you can imagine, some of these videos are very lengthy in time. they could span as much as 8 to 24 hours. they're trying to decrease the size or the length of the videos and put them in a chronological order. once that's done, we will sit down and start going through all of that. >> what have you been told about the videos that makes you believe they are, as you said today, even more relevant to this case? >> the description initially given out by the officer is vague. he only described three individual, two male whites and a male black. these videos apparently are showing images of subjects fitting that description within the time frame of the murder. >> detective, it has been nearly four days since this shooting. maybe there will be some big leads from these videos. we don't know yet. do you have any doubts whatsoever that you are looking for the right people here, these two white men and one black man? >> we don't have any doubts at this point. lieutenant gliniewicz when he made the description, which is very standard protocol when you are a police officer is calling out with any suspicious person, he called out the sex and race of the individuals. that was one of his last transmissions. we don't have any doubt we're looking for two male whites and one male black. >> chief, you said the suspects you believe are very dangerous. you believe they killed an officer. you said the community's safety is not in jeopardy. how can you be so sure if these three suspects are on the lose still? >> that's a good question. one of the things that the local police department in cooperation with the sheriff's office as well as the state police have increased a police presence within community, taking into consideration that this is a holiday weekend. they are expecting several thousand people to come in, utilize the chain of lakes and some of the other facilities within the community. so i think a large police presence should offset any concern by the community. >> but these guys could still be in the community, right? the description is so vague, two white men and one black man. >> that's correct. we're not going to discount that. we believe they are in the area. they may not necessary -- they may not be necessarily in the community of fox lake. they could be in any one of the surrounding communities. we're hoping that at some point once we get a better handle on the videos to start looking at the images and perhaps releasing images to the public. >> detective, do you have any specific evidence to indicate why you believe they're still in the area? >> you know, like the chief mentioned earlier today, often times criminals will hide in plain sight. meaning, they don't necessarily up and flee when they have committed a crime. we don't have any indication that they have fled the area. we don't have necessarily any indication that they are right here. statistics show us often times in situations like this, criminals hide in plain sight. >> chief, you said the officer's gun was found at the crime scene. do you find it odd that the suspects didn't take the gun with them? >> that's not necessarily unusual. again, when you have a heinous incident like this occur, who knows what kind of thought process is going through the suspects' mind. fight or flight type of issues. no, that's not unusual. >> how many bullets were fired from the gun? >> i'm not at liberty to reveal that at this point. >> does it appear that the gun was used for self-defense or that the suspects actually used the gun to kill the officer? >> you know, again, i'm prohibited because of the criminal investigative aspect of this case. sorry, i can't answer that question. >> i understand you have an ongoing investigation. can you at least tell us, were there any signs of a struggle at all? >> again, that's part of the investigative process. that's information that we're not prepared to release at this point. >> i know it's still very early on. but you have had teams there collecting forensic evidence. are there any footprints, dna or fingerprints left at the scene that may be helpful? >> again, there's been significant evidence collected. i will tell you that today our evidence technicians were at the scene once again. and they did recover a piece of significant evidence that wasn't found in the last few days. but i can't reveal exactly what that is or any of the other evidence, because it's extremely relevant that we keep some of this information away from the public. >> can you just give us a vague sense, was it a footprint? was it a strand of hair? anything like that? can you give us a sense? if this is so significant. >> again, it's a criminal investigation. it's a process. i understand there's frustration there. i get this question asked repeatedly. i will give you the same answer that i don't want to jeopardize this investigation and any future prosecution by revealing any type of evidence at this point. >> you do believe significant evidence was found at that crime scene today? >> yes. i will confirm that. >> okay. chief, detective, thank you very much. have a nice weekend. >> thank you. >> thank you. let's bring in jonathan gillian. you heard it there, i asked a lot of questions. not many answers when it comes to what was at the crime scene. what do you make of that, that they are reluctant to share details? >> it's typical of law enforcement. they have an ongoing investigation. they're not going to give out a lot of details. one thing that they could start to give out a little bit -- look, i understand that the chief -- i think they're doing a great job. their press conferences have been some of the best i have seen with different things going on. i think the public needs to be utilized more than they are, because of the fact that they really don't have a lot to go on while they get the cameras set up so they can see the videos and what actually happened. i'm thinking it's probably one of two things. these individuals are either there to basically do something. in other words, there was something being delivered, they were doing something in the warehouse, possibly a robbery of copper. they steal a lot of copper in the mornings or a robbery on a house. they could have been armed and more aggressive when an officer showed up. then they ran and then attacked him. the other thing it could have been is that they were just -- they had warrants. they didn't want to be seen. that to me would explain a little bit more if they did use the officer's weapon on him, which happens more often than you would think. >> very quickly i want to ask, the video they have had for more than 24 hours isn't available yet. there isn't a description to give the public. is that unusual it would take this long for a crucial clue? >> i think the detective should have looked at it before it was sent off. >> we know dhs is looking at it. hopefully, we will get results back soon. thank you so much. 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>> they are performing their investigation. they want to get all of their evidence together for purposes of presenting it to a grand jury. during that process, they generally have a procedure where they are not going to turn over evidence. in this case, they have certainly made statements. the sheriff has and law enforcement have about what's on the second video without providing the video. >> we heard statements he had a knife in his hand. what can you tell us about the fact that mr. flores was holding a knife during the confrontation with police? >> well, the video that we see now, whether or not he is holding a knife at that time, that's in question because we cannot tell. but the issue of whether he is or isn't holding a knife -- >> was he holding a knife during the confrontation? >> that confrontation occurred at various different times while the officers were out there. >> did he hold a knife during any of those various times? >> i think there was an initial interaction with an officer and mr. flores where the knife was not used to stab an officer. but the butt of the knife may have been used in an altercation. at the time he is shot though, the issue of the knife being in his hand or not is still an issue. but whether the knife is in his hand or not, there's an issue as to whether or not his aggression had stopped. that's the issue. did his aggression stop whereby officers should not have used that lethal force? >> that's the big question. clearly in that first video, he has his hands up and the officer shoots. playing on the other side of this what the officers would say is state of mind. we had reason to believe he was a threat based on how he lunged at them with this knife, the butt of the knife and hit one of the officers with the butt of the knife. doesn't that help explain their state of mind at that point? >> i think the issue is going to be whether or not when his hands are up in the air, would you objectively and subjectively believe at that time that he was not a threat because his aggressive activity had stopped? so that's the key issue. taking that snapshot of time at that moment. >> had yyou had no reason to be he had a knife in his hand when he was putting his hands up? >> that is yet to be determined. we have not seen the video. >> do you think you think talki clients that he was surrendering peacefully though? >> well -- >> your client, the wife was there at the scene? >> i have talked to a number of people at the scene. i have actually met with the entire family. and i have met with an individual that viewed parts of that incident from a window in that home. when it was happening. and so -- that particular view for that witness, there are some question as but the visibility but the, there is no doubt that there was a domestic call, the officers responded appropriately to a domestic call, but, but there is again, that gigantic issue about whether or not his aggressive conduct had stopped when his hand were raised. and i think that's why you're playing this particular piece tonight. because the public is concerned about whether or not he was being aggressive. his appearance clearly is that he was not at the moment he was shot from this video. the other video will help provide more information and evidence that comes in will be helpful >> authorities say they're not going to release that anytime soon. sound like. thank you for coming on. we understand you are in the process of preparing a civil suit as well. thank you. appreciate it. now want to bring in retired nypd detective, harry houk. thank you for coming on. we were talking about, flores, appeared to have his hand up. do you think the deputies had any right to shoot? >> well, like the counselor said before. we have to wait until we find out more information. now when that gentleman had his hands up we could not see his left hand. all right. so maybe there was a weapon in his left hand. i can't tell. but what's very interesting about this, though, pamela, the fact that both officers perceived a threat almost simultaneously. that tells me something here. this isn't like, police officers -- you know, one officer shooting because he wants to kill somebody. another officer not. so we got two officers receiving the same threat at the same time. and what a lot of people don't understand also is the fact that if you are within 20 feet of somebody that's got a knife. if i have a knife in my left hand. i am telling you to drop that knife. and you don't drop it. all right. now you are an imminent threat. and within, within about 20 second the i could be on you and killing you that fast. so as a police officer, if i've tell you to drop the knife. you are that close to me. and you don't drop it. you are getting shot. >> but, in fairness. they don't appear to be standing within arm's length. it does ant peer n't appear in individually he is moving toward them. >> well are trained as officers, between 21 or 22 feet. if somebody has got a knife that if you don't have your weapon pulled, that, that you, as a police officer can be killed by that person with a knife. that's how quickly that occurs. all police officers are trained that way. so it looks like they were 10 feet apart. >> there is still a lot more to learn about this case for sure, harry houk. thank you very much. >> out front next, jeanne moos on what may be the most famous escalator in america. ere. my drivers don't have time to fill out forms. tablets. keep it all digital. we're looking to double our deliveries. our fleet apps will find the fastest route. oh, and your boysenberry apple scones smell about done. ahh, you're good. i like to bake. add new business services with at&t and get up to $500 in total savings. and i didn't get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track. and through it all, my retirement never got left behind. so today, i'm prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be. every someday needs a plan. let's talk about your old 401(k) today. i found her wandering miles from home. when the phone rang at 5am, i knew it was about mom. i see how hard it's been on her at work and i want to help. for the 5 million americans living with alzheimer's, and millions more who feel its effects. let's walk together to make an even bigger impact and end alzheimer's for good. find your walk near you at alz.org/walk. hello. if i want to go up... if i want to go down... nooo... but, then if i want to come back again... yes. it's perfect. and there you have it. 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>> yeah, we were having spot fires. before we knew it, we had hundreds of homes that were instantly threatened. >> reporter: more than 23,000 evacuated tonight. governor brown declaring a state of emergency in two counties. many people who witnessed this said this had a speed that you haven't seen here in california in years. >> hearing a lot of unprecedented. it really is. >> reporter: the fire moving so quickly, scott kelly's home was destroyed in minutes. your house is gone? >> yeah, my house is gone. >> reporter: the chif chief was telling us, the speed of this thing -- >> yeah, it was going through here 40 miles an hour. just blew through everything like nothing. >> reporter: they took us through what's left of their burned-out town. some of the fire still smoldering. you walk down the streets of these middletown neighborhoods and this is all you see. these burned-out shells of cars, all that remain. you can see the melted aluminum, the melted metal here in the street. and if you look just beyond me here, the frame of what was a pickup truck. and, in fact, right in the back, you can still see the fire smoldering and what's been left behind. we could see the melted plastic on the meters. in many ways, authorities here tell us this was the fire they were fearing. a combination of blazing hot triple-digit temperatures last week, plus low humidity. four years of drought and dry vegetation all sparking the blaze. and the high winds to carry it. the fire chief was telling me that with the winds whipping, that these homes went up in flames one right after another. in fact, one igniting the next. and you can see, these are the, what's left of the front stairs to this home. absolutely nothing left except for the lone chimney here still left standing. so many of the families tonight, gathered here, still holding their pets. and we go to find patrice conklin. we heard all about you. >> yeah, i heard. >> reporter: she got her children out and what little she could grab. your home is gone? >> my home is gone. >> reporter: and so what now? >> i got my kids out, i got my dog out and -- couple of birth certificates and that's about it. we have the clothes that we could put in the car. >> reporter: we meet her daughter, sydney, who tells me, the whole thing has been scary. you said it was scary. what was the scariest part? >> the thought of not having a home. >> reporter: the thought of not having a home. and you don't know where you'll live next. and then a smile when we spot their dog. is this your dog? what's the dog's name? >> neo. >> reporter: neo. hey, neo. she shows me what's left of her home. nothing but the foundation. while back in that neighborhood tonight, where most everyone remembers being at that football game, wyatt now wondering if he'll get back to his senior year. could you have ever imagined anything like this? >> no, never in my life. and i've seen a lot of big fires, you know? >> reporter: part of growing up in california. >> i guess so. >> as you heard me mention there, nearly everyone in that town of middletown was at the high school football game friday night. not knowing nearly their entire town would be on fire, just 24 hours later. tonight, some of it still burning. a long night ahead for thousands of firefighters and their stamina, their courage simply stunning, as well tonight. this image today, firefighters collapsing with exhaustion. and abc's matt gutman with the firefighters and one of them who found himself going back to see if his own home survived. >> reporter: tonight, 7,500 embattled firefighters back on the fire line. encrusted in soot, many have been going for 36 hours, in fires that are fast-moving and deadly. the valley fire engulfing four firefighters over the weekend, only saved when they scrambled into their protective shelters. richard reef taking a call from the governor from his hospital bed. guys pretty tired? >> we're getting there. >> reporter: crews so fatigued, they've been flopping down in driveways or fields for just a few minutes rest. this retired firefighter live-streaming the desperate fight to save middletown, california. >> these guys are very limited on resources. every engine has got multiple structures to try and protect. and you just can't save everything. >> reporter: don lopez spent days fighting the fire. he came home overnight. >> you look block after block, it's just devastation. >> reporter: learning his home was spared. his daughter's wasn't. >> we got the most important things out. but everything else is gone. >> reporter: still, lopez is going back tonight to the only work he's ever known. you're going back on the fire line? >> i'm going back up on the fire line in the cobb area. because that's what i do. >> reporter: david, as you experienced today, one of the most incredible things those firefighters endure on the fire is the intensity of the heat. hot enough to melt glass. now, the bad news for firefighters, it is still gusty out here today. the better news is, you can start to feel the moisture in the air. david? >> all right, matt gutman tonight in northern california where we spent much of this day. matt, thank you. and the question tonight, will the weather help in the next crucial 24 hours? let's go right to chief meteorologist ginger zee at the weather wall. ginger? >> reporter: david, this fire forecast is far from perfect, but it is improving. especially after tonight. look at some of the remaining fire watches and warnings. those wind advisories, southern nevada, through the deserts of san diego. you can see gusts still up to 50 and 60 miles per hour. a couple of the gusts we put on here tonight to give you an idea of what to expect. that all changes with this huge pattern shift, right? we're got this low coming down. the trough, and with it, moisture. and some places, a lot of moisture. coastal northern california up through oregon and washington state. we wish we could get it a little farther inland, but we will certainly get that cool air. highs only in the 60s. david? >> ginger zee with us tonight. ginger, thank you. but we do move on now to the other story we're following, that manhunt in mississippi, after a shooting on a college campus, delta state university on lockdown. students with their hands over their heads, evacuated today after a popular history professor was gunned down in his office. abc's steve osunsami. >> watch one of the doors. nobody in, nobody out. >> reporter: these were the frightening moments in the middle of morning classes at delta state university. history professor ethan schmidt was shot to death in his office, and police with large guns were outside their windows, looking for an active gunman. >> i took his class over the summer. i'm still in shock right now. >> he was a great guy and -- just pray for him and his family. >> reporter: at 10:43, the school sent this emergency alert to cell phones across campus. students had to use desks to barricade their doors and had to walk out of school buildings with their hands up behind their heads while police searched for a killer. >> these students out here on the quad on the west side, can i put them in a building safer? >> reporter: tonight, the search continues for this man. 45-year-old shannon lamb. an instructor who taught geography at the university. >> at this moment, we do consider mr. lamb to be armed and dangerous. >> reporter: police have now identified him as a suspect in another killing that took place nearly five hours south, near biloxi, where a female victim was killed. police say they were living together. authorities discovered her body shortly before the shooting at delta state. >> we do know our suspect left here traveling in a green suv, a vehicle of similar nature that matches the one he was last seen driving here. >> reporter: students tell us police responded so quickly, it's almost as if they were alerted to the gunman's intentions. tonight, classes are canceled. david? >> steve osunsami with us tonight. steve, thank you. we're going to turn now to kentucky, and that county clerk at the center of the debate over same-sex marriage. back to work today, after being jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses to gay couples, saying she's facing an impossible choice tonight. obey god or obey the people she serves. abc's t.j. holmes is there. >> reporter: today, an emotional kim davis, surrounded by law enforcement, promising not to stop her deputies, who are issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. >> i'm here before you this morning with a seemingly impossible choice that i do not wish on any of my fellow americans -- my conscience or my freedom. >> reporter: and then -- the first test. davis staying inside her office, door closed, curtains drawn as shannon and carmen wampler-collins, together for 23 years, got their license to wed. >> there's your receipt, and congratulations. >> thank you, brian. >> thank you, brian. >> appreciate it. >> reporter: their license doesn't include davis's name or the county name. instead, these words -- "pursuant to a federal court order." >> ms. davis hopes that these good faith measures will be sufficient to satisfy the plaintiffs and the court. >> reporter: the changes, davis says, allow her to obey both her god and the judge. david, kim davis will continue her fight in court, but today, kentucky's governor said even without her signature, the marriage licenses issued here are valid. david? >> t.j., thank you. we're going to turn now to missouri tonight, and calls for sweeping changes in the wake of the deadly police shooting of unarmed teenager michael brown. a special commission finding excessive police force and racial bias were partly to blame for violent protests in ferguson last year. the commission recommending police and social reforms including a change in policing habits, increasing the minimum wage and improving the educational system there. now to the race for 2016 tonight, donald trump taking the stage in texas, a packed house in dallas. 20,000 strong. just as a new abc news/"washington post" poll has him in a dead heat with hillary clinton in a head to head match-up. wednesday night, by the way, trump faces off with his republican opponents for their second debate. we turn overseas and to hungary. major new developments in the worst refugee crisis in central europe since world war ii. as you know, last week, we took you there, families fleeing violence in their homelands, by train, even walking, seeking refuge in germany, austria. refugee families in the shadow of barbed wire. tonight, a setback. some of the countries now sealing their borders. abc's chief foreign correspondent terry moran, who was with us last week there, still there tonight. >> reporter: a race against time at the hungarian border today. and the time is minutes. this mother and her daughter, among the last to cross, and then -- this is the moment. hungarian police are now finishing the construction of this fence. closing the last gap over these railroad tracks and for the first time now, they're turning people back. so, we went over to the other side, to serbia, where we met muhammad from damascus, syria, and walked up to the police line with him. >> can you let me cross? 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this is the world of donald trump. of course, all of this is happening because trump is relatively new to the gop. he is doing extremely well. he has the highest poll ratings nationally. republicans have been worried if he doesn't get the nomination, he could take the supporters he has and bolt the gop and run as independent and hand the white house to the democrats. the republicans have been quietly trying to talk to trump and try to convince him to cajole him to get him to make this promise to stay in the gop. different response from last month in the debate where he would not make that pledge. i asked what changed and what makes him sign it now when he would not do it a few weeks ago. listen. >> what changed over the past several weeks? >> well, i think the big thing, dana, that's changed and it has been obvious to all, number one, after i announced, we went up like a rocket ship. the thing that changed is i went to the number one place quickly after i signed. i went early to number one and the rnc has treated me with great respect. >> reporter: to be clear, this is not legally binding at all. he doesn't have to stick to it. still, he said, he doesn't see a circumstance where he would tear up the pledge. donald trump, of all people, knows how unpredictable politics is and we now how unpredictable donald trump is. thank you, dana. donald trump tripped up thursday by radio talk show host hugh hewitt. confusing with the middle eastern military force with the kurds. he admitted he does not know the difference between hezbollah and hamas. >> i'm looking for the next commander is to know who al baghdadi is. do you know the players without the scorecard? >> no, honestly, by the time we get to office, they will all be changed. you knew you would ask me things like that. i'll hopefully find general douglas mcarthur in the pack. i'll find whoever it is. they are all changing. those are history questions. do you know this one. do you know that one. >> i don't believe in "got 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behind jailed kentucky clerk kim davis. she was ordered to jail on thursday for failing to issue marriage licenses despite going to the supreme court. some of the presidential candidates ted cruz and rand paul are calling her imprisonment criminal. >> i stand with her and anyone else for trying to persecute her. this is wrong and inconsistent with the constitution. >> what will happen is states and localities will opt out of the marriage business. her religious conviction is this is not the marriage she approves of. >> take a look at the tweet from mike huckabee. former arkansas governor asking voters to sign a free kim davis petition. this is from rick santorum. the former pennsylvania senator tweeting we should not have to choose between keeping our job and practicing our faith. congress and states must pass first amendment defense act now. at least three gop candidate, chris christie and lindsey graham and carly fiorina say davis is obligated to carry out the law as a government employee. she is obligated to carry out the law despite her personal objects. >> this is interesting. kim davis could have stayed out of jail. the judge told her she could go free if she gave her deputy clerks permission to issue licenses. davis consulted with her attorneys and refused. we get more now from cnn's alexandra field in ashland, kentucky. >> reporter: kim davis is refusing to issue licenses ever since the supreme court made a ruling earlier this summer making same-sex marriage part of the law of the land. davis was forced to appear in the court this summer where she was ordered by a judge to issue those marriage licenses. she has not complied. she is appealing the case. in the meantime, she refusing to issue licenses. brought back to the same federal courthouse in kentucky, the judge ruled she was in contempt of court. he ordered her remanded to the custody of the u.s. marshal. that surprised many in the courtroom expecting davis would be fined. judge said that would not be 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happening because trump is relatively new to the gop and he is doing extremely well. he has the highest poll ratings so far nationally. republicans have been worried that if he doesn't get the nomination he could take the supporters he has and bolt the gop and run as an independent and hand the white house to the democrats. the republicans have been quietly trying to talk to trump and try to convince him to cajole him and get him to make this promise he will stay in the gop. it would be different response from last month in the debate where he would not make that pledge. i asked what makes him sign it now when he would not do it a few weeks ago. >> what changed over the past several weeks? >> well, i think the big thing, dana, that's changed, and it's obvious to all. number one, after i announced we went up like a rocket ship. i think the thing that changed is the fact i went to the number one place quickly after i signed. the biggest thing is i went early to number one and the rnc has treated me with great respect. >> reporter: to be clear, this message is not legally binding at all. he doesn't have to stick to it. still he said that he doesn't see a circumstance where he would tear up the pledge. donald trump knows how unpredictable politics is. >> dana, thank you. trump a little tripped up by radio host hugh hewitt. confusing the iranian military force with the middle eastern kurds. trump admitted he not know the difference between hezbollah and hamas. >> i'm looking for the next commander in chief to know who asralla is and al jumani and al baghdadi. do you know the players without a scorecard? >> i knew you would ask me this. there is no reason. i will hopefully find general douglas mcarthur in the pack. i will find whoever it is i'll find. they are all changing here. those are history questions. do you know this one? do you know that one? >> i don't believe in "got ya'" questions. >> that is a "got ya'" question. i'll know more about it than you will ever know. 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florida. some of the republican candidates rallying behind jailed kentucky clerk kim davis. davis behind bars ordered to jail on thursday for failing repeatedly to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. court rulings against her from top to bottom. some of the candidates like rand paul and ted cruz in particular calling her imprisonment criminal. >> i stand with her and anyone else that the government is trying to persecute for standing up for their faith. this is fundamentally wrong. it is inconsistent with the first amendment of the constitution. >> i think what will happen as a rule of this, states and localities will opt out of the marriage completely. her heart felt conviction is this is not the marriage she approves of. >> this is a tweet from mike huckabee, former arkansas governor, asking voters to sign a free kim davis petition. insisting religious liberty is not a crime in america. this from rick santorum. tweeting we should not have to choose between keeping our job and practicing our faith. at least three gop candidates, chris christie and lindsey graham and carly fiorina say davis is obligated to carry out the law as a government employee despite her personal religious objections. kim davis could have stayed out of jail. the judge in her case told her she could go free if she gave her deputy clerks the permission to issue the licenses. davis consulted with her attorneys and she refused to do that. we have more from alexandra field in ashland, kentucky. >> reporter: davis has refused to issue marriage licenses after since the supreme court ruled earlier this summer making it part of the law of the land. davis was forced earlier this summer to issue the marriage licenses. she has not complied. she is appealing the case. she has continued to refuse to issue licenses. brought back to the same federal courthouse in kentucky, a judge ruled she was in contempt of court and ordered her remanded to the custody of the u.s. marshal. that surprised many in 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to bring them under control. there are hundreds of them that staged this breakout because they were fed up at the conditions they were being held in. they couldn't take it anymore. young, old, men, parents with families, all breaking through. and now also being pursued by the police force through this cornfield. this all kicks off about half an hour ago. and there are people who have been carrying their children. there are some elderly among these crowds. these are people who at this stage are literally running for their lives. >> cnn's senior international correspondent arwa damon will join us in just a minute. also hundreds clashed with police in this same area one day earlier. hungarian police releasing pepper spray. austria and germany are now alliall i calling on their european neighbors for help. children with nothing but the clothes on their back, sifting through donated shoes. the danger is enormous. there are also major concerns that isis militants could try to hide among the migrant crowds. we're covering this story from all angles in berlin. i want to start with you, frederick. what's it look like from your vantage point? >> reporter: yeah, carol. once again today here in vienna there have been hundreds of migrants coming in here to the railway station in vienna. vienna is one of the focal points because a lot of the migrants come through hungary and through austria and the first place they come to is right here. and the vast majority of them want to catch trains to go further onto europe, most of them of course to germany. many of them told us about the horrifying experiences they have had along the way. a long walk for many of them. many of them with children. there are some heartbreaking scenes we have been hearing about. but there's also a lot of volunteers here in vienna, a lot of people helping the refugees and trying to guide them on the right way to make sure they have an easier time reaching european. but of course the big problem in european is what are the sku countries going to do to come to terms with all of this. there's countries like germany taking them in, but there's a lot of countries that don't necessarily want to do that. the obama administration is becoming involved. i just want to give you a statement from the head of the national security council. it says that the administration is actively considering a range of approaches to be more responsive to the global refugee crisis, including with regard to refugee resettlement. of course that's been the big issue here in european over the past couple of days with britain for instance pledging to take in some 20,000 refugees from syria over the next five years. just to give you an idea how big the problem is, those 20,000 -- germany has taken in about 20,000 over the past five days. that's how big this crisis is right now, carol. >> unbelievable. thank you so much. and germany has been generous in accepting the huge numbers of migrants, but some in germany say enough is enough. why? >> reporter: well, as you can imagine, you're seeing upwards of more than 10,000 in some cases coming in every day into germany. and some people are asking when does it stop. what germany has said is it's willing to take in about 800,000 refugee applications. right now i'm at a refugee shelter. this is the kind of temporary home they're trying to build. they're trying to build abo150, of them. it's like a one-room apartment. they're shipping containers. as you point out, even though there has been such a warm welcome for so many refugees here and we see many volunteers, there is a segment of society that is not happy with the state of affairs. in fact, just yesterday a shelter like this was burned down. and there was suspicion that was a right wing attack. they say there have been more than 340 attacks, everything from vandalism to hate speech to arson attacks. and they believe that most of these attacks are carried out by right wing extremists that are angry at tin flhe influx of ref. and angela merkel has spoken out very strongly against it. there's no doubt authorities are worried to see rising tensions the more refugees come in. that jailed kentucky clerk who refused to issue same-sex marriage licenses gets a high profile visitor today. republican presidential candidate mike huckabee is about to meet with kim davis behind bars. afterward, he'll lead a rally in her support. a rally that could get so big that five school districts have already called off classes for students over traffic con investigati -- congestion fears. >> reporter: there are concerns that with all the people that want to attend this rally that maybe it's best that the students stay home. so that was the decision that was made. the preparations were well underway. the truck is in place. that is where mike huk bckabee going to be addressing this crowd. we'll have an update. most of those who are going to be attending are clearly strongly in support of kim davis. she has remained inside the jail here ever since thursday. there are efforts underway by her legal team to try and get her out, including an appeal that's been filed in federal court. stateme at the same time there's an appeal to the governor of the state, who a at this point doesn't seem to anxious to get involved. and then you had demonstrators that also showed up outside of the judge's house. this is the judge who put her in jail for contempt of court. emotions are strong here. it seems the support for kim davis is in the majority of that feeling. joining me now, davis's attorney, roger ganim joins me now from florida. welcome, sir. thank you for joining me this morning. >> thank you, carol. >> do you think that mike huckabee's visit will help? >> it certainly can't hurt. kim davis has been overwhelmed by the amount of support she's receiving. and the fact that a presidential candidate will take time out of a busy campaign schedule to come visit kim and lead a rally on her behalf, it can only help raise awareness about kim davis sitting in jail for believing that marriage should be between a man and a woman. >> did you guys reach out to mike huckabee, or did mike huckabee reach out to you? >> no. this was mike huckabee's own act here. he's the one who wanted to come visit kim and throw this rally in her behalf. we're thrilled that he's coming and that he's visiting kim in jail. but this is all his doing. >> you want kentucky's governor to accommodate davis's religious convictions and exempt her from issuing marriage licenses. but it's unlikely he's going to do that. why should he? >> it's his duty to accommodate all persons. kentuc kentucky's religious freedom act makes it clear that all persons have the right to act or not act according to their religious beli beliefs. he's already changing the marriage licensing form once since the supreme court ruled in june. there's nothing stopping him making additional changes to that form to accommodate kim davis or other like-minded clerks. he can reorganize the marriage in kentucky until the legislature can meet in january. >> why should he do that when mrs. davis took the job as county clerk, she promised to uphold the constitution. if she can no longer uphold the constitution, why doesn't she just resign? >> miss davis made an oath to uphold the constitution of the united states and kentucky and kentucky laws. she's doing exactly that. >> she's not. the u.s. supreme court ruled that same-sex marriage is legal. it's a constitutional issue. she's not upholding the constitution if she won't sign marriage licenses for same sex couples. >> the united states supreme court said that states must treat same-sex marriage on the same terms as different sex marriage. but the supreme court has never said who has to issue marriage licenses. the states are free to implement their marriage licensing laws however they see fit. and you see a diversity of laws throughout the states. in north carolina -- >> right now in the state of kentucky mrs. davis is required to sign marriage licenses for all. >> right now in the state of kentucky the law is that religious accommodation must be accommodated. that's the law in kentucky that miss davis is seeking to be accommodated under. she has the highest respect for the law. what she's doing right now is not in defiance. it's simply requesting a reasonable accommodation which the governor has the power to give. >> if she really feels strongly about this, why doesn't she resign her position and then run for the state legislature and then she can change the law? >> the fact is she was elected to do a job and she does it well. marriage licenses can be issued in the state of kentucky without miss davis signing them. that's all she's asking for is a reasonable accommodation and she has a right to ask for that. >> how long is she willing to stay in jail? >> miss davis's conscience is not going to change. unfortunately the trial judge's order was open-ended. he said she has to stay there until she changes her mind. she's going to sit there until either a court rules otherwise or until the legislature tor govern or the governor takes action. still to come in the "newsroom," hillary clinton says she's not stoorry for using tha personal e-mail account. is that going to be a problem for her campaign moving forward? some say absolutely yes. technology empowers us to achieve more. it pushes us to go further. special olympics has almost five million athletes in 170 countries. the microsoft cloud allows us to immediately be able to access information, wherever we are. information for an athlete's medical care, or information to track their personal best. with microsoft cloud, we save millions of man hours, and that's time that we can invest in our athletes and changing the world. ♪ col♪ i know, i know... ing.. ♪ color is a beautiful thing if you feel it, you can find it. all new color by behr. real milk vs. almond milk protein show down milk wins. 8 times the protein, less bathroom breaks. we've been together since 2012. dinner is absolutely our favorite time together. i do notice that sometimes i eat better than her. i get my healthy bowl of beneful, and she eats a cheese stick and a cracker. that's what she ate last night. cheese stick and a cracker. can you believe what some people put in their bodies? 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>> reporter: campaigns when they're going through a tough period, they like to send a signal that they're doing a reboot. what the campaign is saying on the pages of the "new york times" she's going to try and campaign with more humor. she's going to try to be in a more humanizing situation. it sound similar to what they said at the beginning of this campaign, that they're going to show her more as the funny person she is behind closed doors. a campaign reboot is always easier to promise and harder to actually pull off or measure the effects of any type of reboot. >> maybe we'll see the van again. >> we'll see. she's certainly out there campaigning. this fall fight is underway. they know it is. she's always at her best when she's on her heels, when she's up against the fight. we saw that before. the real campaign is underway now that labor day is behind us. >> just remember in just over a week the republican presidential hopefuls will take part in their second set of debates. those debates happen at the reagan library at 6:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. still to come in the "newsroom," think steven colbert will lose his political edge now that he's hosting the late show? 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brian shelter is outside the ed sullivan theater here in new york city, colbert's new home. >> reporter: a couple of months ago we were here for david letterman's last show. today, stephen colbert's first show. he has hinted that he wants to get serious sometimes. we know joe biden will be here later in the week. here's what he said about giving up his identity and playing himself. >> i worked really hard to be that other guy for ten years. but thank god you know who i am. i hope they find out pretty quickly that the guy they saw for ten years was my sense of humor for sometime. it is, i guess, flattering that people thought i was an actual pundit over the years. but it's really nice to not have to pretend it anymore. >> reporter: so starting tonight we'll see who the real colbert is. already a few fans who have lined up who want to make sure they're guaranteed a seat inside tonight. just to give you a sense of the booking battle that's going on carol, we know that jimmy fallon also wants these political guests. he has donald trump later this week. colbert's show wanted hillary clinton for tonight's show. she declined because she's going on fallon instead. nbc confirming she'll be on fallon's show next week, september 16th. >> they want the political types. so interesting. brian stelter, many thanks to you. i appreciate it. of course jeb bush isn't the only political heavyweight appearing this week. joe biden will stop by on thursday. bernie sanders is there next thursday. here to talk about this and many, bill carter, author of the war for late night. welcome to both of you. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me on. >> absolutely. so, bill, i'm going to start with you. >> bill carter. >> yeah. how are you doing? >> do you have an uneasy relationship with jay? >> no. actually was in the movie the late shift that i wrote. >> yeah. and also i did monday night mayhem also. i'm a huge fan of bill carter's. >> i love when there's a lot of love going around. it's fantastic. bill, i thought -- >> write another book and a movie, bill. >> i thought colbert was going to drop the political stuff and just be a comedian. >> he knows this is a field he can play in well. jon stewart has left "the daily show." there's not going to be as much focus on that. and he sees it also as a way to distinguish himself from the two jimmys. i think he's going to be funny but he's going to be substance. he's having the u.n. general secretary as a guest. he's trying to mix it up and stand out as being somewhat different rather than just having movie stars. >> you're right. steven colbert does have a bite, because when it was announced that jeb bush was going on to be on the show, jeb bush was using his appearance to raise money for his campaign. and colbert did bite back. watch. >> governor bush is to pumped for the first show that he sent this e-mail. we'll fly one lucky winner to new york. to enter all you have to do is donate $3 to jeb's campaign. and if you can't afford $3, you're probably not voting for jeb bush. i think the contest is a great thing, but here's the thing. no one from jeb's campaign asked me if it was okay with me to raise money off my first show. where's my sweet cut of the three bucks, governor? huh? i am launching my own jeb bush on the steven colbert late show raffle. the lucky winner will also be invited to the late show. but they can ask one nonobscene question that i will ask governor bush on their behalf. >> didn't that just seem like the colbert that was on the tv show? i think he'll be the same guy, certainly urbane. letterman was considered alauoo. i think they're not so worried about beating jimmy fallon or the other 12 guys that do late night tv. i think it will be an urbane, newsy, fun show. they'll make a ton of money. i don't think he'll win the rates. he'll be good for maybe a few days. fallon looks like he's trying to cu crush him this week. fallon has a line-up that's crazy. it's all aimed at crushing any excitement over steven colbert. i think he'll be fine. bill and i will watch him on youtube. we'll be the two oldest people watching him on youtube the next morning. >> all of these late night comedians are vying for political types. shouldn't they be vying for the most popular actor or actress out there? . >> they're eating up all the air time so they are the people worth talking to. you'll see jeb bush come on, probably try to show a lot of energy, that he's not low energy. >> that he deserved that exclamation point after his name. >> good point. >> will people get tooir etired though? >> i think colbert is going to be kind of an awake charlie rose, who looks like he's about to fall asleep all the time. i think he'll be a funny, interesting guy. he'll know the issues. he'll have fun. sadly, no one cares jeb bush is on tv tonight. no one. it's all about donald trump. and hillary clinton, what are you going to do, have her play some e-mail parlor game on fallon? he'll take it easy. i don't think he's worried about anything other than he's going to stay where he's comfortable. why would you change? he's successful. he sounded just like steven colbert to me a few moments ago even though he's not that other guy, but he seems like that other guy to me. this is kind of schizophrenic, isn't it? >> it really is. i'm going to be watching so i can figure it out. thank you. >> bill, i'll call you later. i have an idea. >> all right. i'll find another job for you. still to come in the "newsroom," pope francis wants the united states to do more to held the poor. up next, we talk about the 45 million people in need in our own country. well, it was nice to see everyone. i just wish it had been for a better reason. me, too, but the eulogy that frank's daughter gave was beautiful. i just feel bad knowing they struggled to pay for the funeral, especially without life insurance. i wish they would've let us help. but, it did make me think, though. about what? well, that i could leave you in the same situation. i don't have life insurance, either. if something were to happen to me tomorrow, how are you pay for my funeral? or my other bills? nothing's gonna happen to you tomorrow. you don't know that. i made a promise to always take care of you kids. without life insurance, i'm not keeping it. besides, i already looked into it and between my budget and health, well ... you should call massmutual. they have a new policy called guaranteed acceptance life insurance. i got covered with one call, and it was an affordable option for reliable coverage. what do you think, mom? 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>> yes. which is shocking to us, i think. because we don't tend to think that we have that substantial a problem with people who are poor. and we do. and many of those are children. >> when some in this country talk about the poor and you say 45 million, they'll say, oh, come on, they're taking advantage of the system, some of them. and they have tvs. what more do they want? >> it's tragic to me when i hear that. or just get yourself out of this. go get a job. sometimes people don't have the resources to do that. they haven't had the education to do that. they haven't had the opportunities to do that. and so for us to just even use the term "the poor" dehumanizes them. >> when the pope criticizes capitalism, what is he doing? >> he's raising our awareness of what happens in our world when the rich continue to get richer and we have this growing gap between those that are very wealthy and those who are living at the bottom. and how do we -- and he's raising our awareness to say how do we start to work with that? 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>> you know full well that the russians have had a long relationship with the government in syria. again, it's up to the russians to explain exactly what they're doing. >> reporter: satellite images show russia -- this and this image identified as a modern russian made vehicle not previously seen in syria and painted in russian army camouflage. >> what the russians might or might not be doing at the moment is of concern to secretary kerry and who would replace assad? who would replace any of the other groups that are fighting for power? >> reporter: syria is russia's key ally in the middle east. moscow also has a strategic naval base in syria. it the fragile regime falls, so too may russian influence in the region. russia and the united states have been talking about finding a political solution to the crisis. administration officials until recently expressing hope that moscow was open to a future without assad. the administration officials now making clear there is only one kind of military help the u.s. would welcome. >> there's a 37-some-odd country coalition that's taking the fight to isil. we would welcome russia to be more involved in that effort. >> reporter: one side of how seriously the u.s. is taking this, greekos say that the u.s. has asked greece to deny russia overflight of their territories. blocking the air lift of russian military personnel, supplies, u.s. watching this very closely. they want russia's help against isis but not in propping up the assad regime. carol? >> jim sciutto reporting this morning. still ahead, nfl commissioner roger goodell on deflategate and tom brady's suspension being overturned. yes, the commissioner speaks out. from the people who brought you underwhelming internet speeds. and the people who brought you temperamental satellite television. introducing... underwhelming internet speeds and temperamental television... in one. welcome to the moment no one's been waiting for. the fastest internet and the best tv experience is already here with x1. only from xfinity. first it was tom brady. now nfl commissioner roger goodell is breaking his silence on espn for first time since the star quarterback's deflategate suspension was overturned, and mr. goodell said some interesting stuff. coy wire has been listening in. tell us more, coy. >> good afternoon, good morning still, carol. people were waiting to hear from goodell, and you could almost sense some relief in his voice, that this process is now mostly over. it's going through the appeals process but football is upon us, and he can get back and the fans can get back to football. the one most intriguing aspect of this interview that jumped out to most people was when the question was asked about the appeals process, and his involvement. he's always been the judge and jury since he made all the changes in the nfl. would he be interested and open to lessening his role in disciplinary process? listen to this. >> we need to sit down and figure out how do we get to a better position on our discipline procedures, whether it's the personal conduct policy or whether it's the integrity of the game policy. those things have to be determined by us in collective bargaining. they have been effectively done in the past, and they should be going forward. i am very open to changing my role in that. it's become extremely time consuming, and i think i have to be focused on a variety of other issues and that's what i've discussed with many of the other owners over the last couple years. gee went on to say that the person that came up with the disciplinary issues could be a panel. it could be a panel of people who would come up with the suspension suspensions, come up with the fiennes and then he would designate an arbitrator, someone would deep knowledge of the nfl rules and deep knowledge of the game as well. he also said they would be resistant to third-party arbitration. they want to keep everything under the nfl's umbrella. >> interesting, but i bet he's still not attending that first new england patriots/steelers game. >> that's right. he said he's going to be in chicago to watch them play the green bay. he wants to keep the distraction away from him and let the focus be on the game. >> coy wire, many thanks. president obama has tackled issues on capitol hill, survived criticism and fished for support, so how did america's leading man do in the alaskan wilderness? president obama recently had the adventure of a lifetime alongside bear grylls. nbc "today" show leaking this exclusive sneak peek of the pair's upcoming episode. >> i have seen some of the things bear eats, and it's got to be something that doesn't still have its legs and eyes on it. you know, i want it not to be too recognizable. what do we got? >> well, alaska is a land of bear and salmon. we haven't got bear -- >> oh, look at this. look at this. >> this is for real. i found this on the riverbank, okay? so don't freak out too much, but this is half eaten by a bear. >> why wouldn't the bear finish this sucker? it looks like a nice looking piece of fish. >> if you notice what they've had is all the high fat content, the eggs, a bit of the skin. they will often take the brain as well if there's a lot of fish in the river they will leave the meat because they want the high density calorie value fat. >> interesting. so a bear has chewed on this sucker. >> yeah. we're going to cook it up so it's going to be good. >> all right. >> so i think the president looked a little surprised when i pulled out this bloody carcass of half eaten salmon. >> hear a little sizzle there. >> yeah. >> i think a piece of salmon, that will work just fine. it would have been nice if we had had a cracker to go with it. >> should we try a little bit of this? >> let's try that. that's tas tasty. >> that's proper alaskan salmon for you. >> the bear is a mediocre cook but the fact we ate something recognizable was encouraging. now, the fact that he told me that this was a leftover fish from a bear, i don't know if that was necessary. he could have just left that out. >> you should have brought along the white house chef, president obama. why didn't someone tell you that? the next hour of cnn "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom," mike huckabee to the rescue. a presidential candidate visits kim davis in jail. his rally for religious liberty so big area schools are shut down. and countries on the brink as migrants continue to flood in. but the welcome signs are coming down as hungarian police use pepper spray to keep migrants at bay. plus, colbert's big debut. forget punchlines. get ready for jebro and a new voice in election 2016. let's talk live in the cnn "newsroom." and good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. in just a few hours that jailed kentucky clerk who refuses to issue same-sex marriage licenses gets a high-profile visitor, that would be mike huckabee. the presidential candidate will step behind bars to meet with davis and he's been tweeting up a storm about it. nearly every new message on the white house hopeful's twitter account is about this controversy and a rally he will be leading this afternoon outside of her detention center, a rally that could get so big five schools have already called off classes for more than 1,000 students over traffic congestion fears. last hour i asked one of davis' attorneys if he thinks this will help get davis out of jail. >> it certainly can't hurt. kim davis has been overwhelmed by the amount of support she's receiving, and the fact that a presidential candidate will take time out of a busy campaign schedule to come not only visit kim but then to lead a rally on her behalf, it can only help raise awareness about the injustice of kim davis sitting in jail for no more than believing that marriage should be between a man and a woman. >> cnn's martin savidge is live on the scene where that meeting and rally will go down. good morning, martin. >> reporter: good morning, carol. yeah, people have been showing up here actually for hours now, and you're still hours away from that rally which is scheduled for 3:00 this afternoon. the stage is set or maybe i should say the truck is set. you can see that red cab truck and then the flat bed that's behind it. that's actually where mike huckabee is going to be speaking and addressing this rally. it's not just huckabee, there are a number of other speakers lined up as well. and it's expected there's going to be a pretty big crowd. this is not that big a town, hence the reason why they decided to put school off for one more day. there was concern about traffic jams and people getting around. also fire trucks and emergency equipment standing around because it's going to be a very hot day on top of everything else emotionally. so i think they're just erring on the side of precaution and making sure that the scene is set. the other thing that's quite clear is miss davis is going to be able to hear all of this because she's right inside the building there. the rally is right up to the front door of that facility. so it's pretty clear that it's tacitly got the endorsement of county officials and law enforcement as well. almost every here is in support of kim davis. caroli carol? >> martin savidge is reporting live. michael joins me now. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> so madonna's brother has weighed in. his name is michael -- wait a minute -- let me get my quote here. madonna's brother weighed in, i have to read it off the prompter. on friday he wrote the following and madonna's brother is gay. once again the gay community feels the need to be sore winners. is it so difficult to allow this woman her religion or must we destroy her in order for her to debray her faith? no matter how we judge, it's truth. the rights we have fought for mean nothing if we deny her hers. does he have a point? >> well, i think he doesn't have an understanding of american law and the rule of law, and the separation of church and state. this woman, kim davis, is a public servant, and she took an oath to serve the constitution and the supreme court regularly interprets the constitution and has said that gay and lesbian people have the right to marry. she has the power to walk out of that jail right now. the judge said as long as she allowed her deputies to give out the licenses, she doesn't have to sign a license, but she doesn't even want to give them the power to do that. so she's being very unreasonable. she could walk out right now. >> i think she wants the governor of kentucky to give all clerks the exemption if they want it based on their religious beliefs. >> well, she's the county clerk, the head of the office, and she still has to have her name on the license, and in north carolina they've done that and a lot of civil libertarians are very concerned about it, exem exempting the deputy clerks, but ultimately the actual clerk of the office has to have their name on it. they're an elected official and they have to uphold the government's rules and orders. >> so what would be so wrong if they changed the law that, you know, it wasn't required to have the head clerk on the marriage license? would that be okay? would that be a compromise? >> i don't know that they could do that. i don't know how it works constitutionally, but i think once you start with exemptions, where does it end? if she decided she didn't want to serve or marry a jewish couple or give them a license or a couple she knew had premarital sex because it goes against her religion, do we allow that exemption? where do we end? where do we say, okay, we're just accommodating you? she can have another job. she doesn't have to be a government official if it conflicts with her religious faith. >> chris christie actually did suggest that the governor could say, hey, miss davis, you can have this job instead of being the county clerk. mike huckabee it's a whole different story, right? he wants her to be reinstated. he wants her to have her religious liberty and he's going to jail to demonstrate his support of her. so just your feelings on a presidential candidate visiting kim davis in jail. >> well, i think we knew -- i certainly knew that this issue and what happened here would galvanize a certain base of the republican party and republican candidates would feel they had to champion her, and we've seen some, though not all. i think conservatives are very split on this. some of them supporting her, but i think it's going to backfire in a general election because i think the american people not only we know the majority support equality, but definitely support the rule of law. this story is no longer about marriage or religious liberty. it's about the rule of law. >> i don't know. a part of me says this is like the last gasp, right? they're fighting. it's the last gasp because -- >> it is -- >> even if you look at evangelical voters they're supporting donald trump who is not making such a big deal of kim davis. >> i think it's kind of a george wallace moment where a certain group is galvanized, with him against integration, but ultimately -- and against civil rights, but ultimately equality won out. >> and i should mention that kim davis is a democrat, did you know? >> yes. >> she is a democrat. thanks, michael, for stopping by. now to the worsening migrant crisis in europe. right now thousands of families are running for their lives. their goal to escape poverty and war in places like syria and iraq. earlier this morning cnn was on the ground when a group of refugees broke past a security line along the hungary/syria border. >> we're running with these migrant and refugees who just broke out of the holding area right along the border with serbia. the police are literally right behind them. cnn. the police are literally right behind a man in front trying to bring them under control. there are hundreds of them that staged this breakout because they were fed up at the conditions they were being held in. they couldn't take it anymore. young, old men, parents with families, all breaking through and now also being pursued by the police force through this cornfield. this all kicks off about half an hour ago and there are people who have been carrying their children. there are some elderly among these crowds. these are people who at this stage are literally running for their lives. >> overwhelmed by the flood of refugees coming in, austria and germany are now calling on the european neighbors for help. all of this as the u.s. weighs how to deal with this crisis. with violent attacks against refugees on the rise, there are also major concerns that isis militants could try to hide among migrant crowds. joining me to discuss all of this is cnn's senior international correspondent fred pleitgen. he's at a train station in vienna. set the scene for us. >> reporter: hi, carol. yeah, and the train station here in vienna is really a folk cal point of the refugee crisis going on in europe. the refugees who come from hungary, pretty much all of them are brought here to the vienna railway station and pretty much all of them will try to continue on to go on to germany. that's where they want to go. there's trains departing for places like munich but also like hamburg. very, very often from here. we've been speaking to some of the refugees, and they say sa, know, they've been through so much and they're hoping this is their last leg. what i have to say is that there has been an outpouring of support from the austrian civil society. there's been so many volunteers who have made immense donations and are also donating their time. we saw just a couple minutes ago there's actually a children's play area that was set up by volunteers inside the railway station just so the kids can get their mind off that horrible trek that many of them have had to endure. nevertheless, of course, there is also that political dimension to all of this where you have european countries at odds with some of them saying that more refugees need to be taken in. like for instance the germans and others taking a more restrictive approach. for instance, denmark, but also a lot of the eastern european countries and then you have the obama administration now also very much on top of this issue. in fact, there is a statement from the national security council that i want to share with you. it says the administration is actively considering a range of approaches to be more responsive to the global refugee crisis, including with regard to refugee resettle am. th that, of course, the big issue in europe as well as where you are going to put the many people arriving on europe's shores at this point in time. >> frederik pleitgen reporting live for us this morning. thank you. still to come in the "newsroom," critics say the republican party has a problem with women. so is rising star carly fiorina the solution? 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"the new york times" says she could soon be coming to a campaign stop near you. as team clinton looks to retool in the face of sagging poll numbers and an e-mail controversy that will just not go away. senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny joins me now with more. good morning. >> good morning, carol. anytime you see a headline in a newspaper saying campaign reboot, you have to ask yourself why is this happening? who is this intended to send a message to? and certainly that's the case with the clinton campaign coming the day after labor day as this next phase of the campaign sort of opens here, but the clinton advisers i have talked to this morning and throughout the weekend when i was on the campaign trail with her in iowa said that hillary clinton believes that the real her is not coming out. they believe she's not showing her humor enough. she's not showing her humanity enough, and they want to try and take those small conversations that she's been having with voters across the country into a bigger setting to try more of who she is. but let me translate that for you here into english. they want to put the e-mail controversy aside, at least try to, and try and show why she wants to be president, why she's running. so they're going to put her in more presidential settings. she's giving a big speech on iran tomorrow. she's going to be giving policy speeches week by week. they're trying to kind of counter this narrative that she's lost a bit of control of her campaign, but, carol, when i was talking to voters out in iowa over the weekend, over the last several days, i was struck by bernie sanders supporters. i would ask them why are you drawn to bernie sanders and not hillary clinton, and they would say we like what bernie sanders is saying. this isn't anti-clinton, this is pro-bernie sanders. there might be a more complicated issue going on among some democrats. it's not necessarily a no vote against hillary clinton. they like what bernie sanders is saying. that's why we're also going to see some message changing from the clinton campaign. she's out this morning calling for new campaign finance restrictions. so we're going to see a bit more of a liberal message and more of a presidential side of these speeches trying to get in the sense that she could be the next president, trying to get beyond all this controversy. we'll see if it works. >> at the same time she's going to be warm and fuzzy, too. we'll see how that goes. jeff zeleny, many thanks to you. i appreciate it. donald trump and ben carson may be the most famous outsiders but a third republican hopeful carly fiorina is also gaining traction, enough to make it on the debate stage at the next republican face-off right here on cnn. fiorina thanked her grassroots supporter for the change in debate roles but voters aren't the only ones taking notice. as politico notes, so is the republican party. in an article politico rights in part, carly fiorina is the only presidential candidate with the advantage of two campaigns, the one she's running herself and the one the rest of the republican party is conducting on her behalf. the party being accused of waging a war on women and facing a likely general election campaign against hillary clinton has gotten wise to the advantages of having fiorina stay in the race. so let's talk about this. noelle is a republican strategist and mindy finn a republican political consultant. what do you make of this notion that the republican party is actually not only supporting carly fiorina but pushing money her way? >> you know what? this is the best thing for the republican brand as far as a woman is concerned. and we're about to see if she can bring back and make popular conservative feminism. this is going to be very, very interesting how she plays out. look, she has -- her story is great. she has come from a secretary to a ceo. she is smart. she's articulate. she looks great. this is something that we have been needing, especially when a lot of people have identified the gop female brand with sarah palin. you know, this is something that really looks strong, and a lot of women can get behind and a lot of women that are on the fence and they want a woman president but they're looking at hillary clinton and they're going not so much. >> mindy, shouldn't carly fiorina be like good enough to raise money herself? should the rnc really be pushing money her way to keep her in the race for the sole reason of making the republican party look more inclusive? >> look, i mean, one of the primary barriers for women entering politics is they're afraid they won't be able to raise the money. historically they have faced challenges. in this case carly has been raising the money on her own, on her own merit. after the first debate and her knockout performance. her fund-raising started flooding in. i don't think it's too surprising some donors are supporting carly as well as supporting another candidate just like voters, they might like a couple candidates and they're kind of waiting to see how it shakes out but they want to make sure that their favorite candidates have a platform. carly's gender is an asset, no doubt, but it's on a list of about ten other things and many of those certainly trump her gender where she showed grit, courage, and a long resume to boot. >> isn't there the smell of hypocrisy in the air? you don't want her in because she's a woman, you want her in because she's good. >> you're totally right on that but let's look at this. when she entered the race, she was the only woman and she was the last in the heat. she did so well on her own merit be it female or not female on that second tier debate that she actually, she rose to the top by just being a good debater and being able to attack hillary. when a guy attacks a woman, it's kind of a fine line. but carly can attack hillary and she can do it with grace and not come off as a bully, you know. >> actually, i must say mindy i'm excited about her taking on donald trump because i just think that, a, a woman needs to do that, and, b, i think carly fiorina is tough enough to make him uncomfortable. >> i don't think you're alone in looking forward to that debate moment for. i agree carly is where she is today based on her own merit. if some people are giving her extra money because of her gender, so be it. but she's here she aced the first debate. she's done the hard work on the ground. she's one of the best communicators in the race and to your point not only as a woman but generally she's been willing to face tough issues, to take the fight to hillary, to trump, and to anybody else she thinks is necessary in this race. >> all right. mindy finn, noelle nikpor, thank you. a bit of breaking news. i want to take you to the hungary/serbian border where tensions are rising. we told you the hungarian authorities, they tear gassed these migrants and now they've been chasing them through cornfields and down railroad tracks. arwa damon joins us with more on this. hi, arwa. >> reporter: hi, and we've stopped now on these railroad tracks. you can see everyone -- most of them seated and then surrounded by the police force. now, these people broke out of the holding area that is where they report to when they first cross into hungary. they broke out because they were absolutely fed up with the length of the wait and the conditions that they were having to wait and it was not an organized effort. they just made a run for it, and then one group made it through the police lines. everyone else immediately followed and they bolted, ran as fast as they possibly could for the longest time, especially difficult for the children. some of them actually even lost their shoes like this faenl that's over here. i don't know if you can see them, but those two little kids right there, brother and sister, both of them losing their shoes as they did try to make that run for it. everyone eventually forced to slow down, especially with everything that they were carrying, especially those that had kids. a lot of them tried to throw away their bags, their few belongings they had so they could run faster but eventually they were rounded by the police. what we can't really tell at this point is if they were leading the way or if the police are trying to shepherd them in one direction or another. so far they have stopped them here. they tried to push through this location. they stopped them here. but they said to them, please wait ten minutes. we're going to bring food and water for the children. just wait ten minutes. people very wary because they don't trust the police at all, so we're just going to have to wait and see what happens here at this point, but this is just really an indication of how desperate these people have become that they would take such extreme measures and how exhausted people are. they are emotionally, mentally, physically absolutely exhausted and they just want to keep going. they just want to get to whatever their final destination is, germany for most. a place where they can finally relax and feel that weight that they've been carrying, that stress, that fear, that agony, they just want to be able to relax and start what they hope will be a new future. >> all right. arwa damon reporting live for us this morning. thank you. too i'll be right back. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet? 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kim jong-il didn't kill people in his inner circle but kim jong-un killed many of his own. purging close advisers like his own uncle, his former right hand man executioned. after that i thought i need to hurry up and leave this hell on earth. is that what it feels like in north korea? hell on earth? yes, of course. you see these krucrowds cheerin and crying as he approaches. it's blind worship. they're programmed to clap and cheer. in my personal opinion upper class elites don't believe it. this number a quite high. seoul national university interviewed north koreans that defected in 2014. the most recent research conducted. the defectors perceive internal support was highest in 2012 but they believe the support has steadily dropped during his reign. can the new leader earn trust from his elites after the purges, he asks? they could be feeling anxious. their loyalty weakened. it's already happening, believes this defector. i can tell you for sure upper class north koreans don't trust kim jong-un. do you see the regime lasting? 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ask your hep c specialist if harvoni is right for you. frustrated and fed up with authorities as arwa damon showed us earlier, hundreds of migrants breaking past security along the serbia/hungary border. you can see families gripping their children as they run past officials. heartbreaking images as europe struggles to deal with this crisis. for these families, enormous danger still exists. cnn's senior international correspondent teekah shatia sch live in germany to tell us more. >> reporter: i'm at a temporary shelter that's actually still being built. it's shipping containers actually bolted together and made into one bedroom apartments. you can see it's still being bill here but there is also a playground. there is a communal kitchen inside, communal showers as well. each one bedroom apartment has its own kitchenette and toilet. it's the kind of clean and safe temporary home that will welcome refugees when they get here and german chancellor angela merkel says she wants to build 150,000 of these. unfortunately, even though many refugees have had a warm welcome here there, is a small segment of the population here that is not happy with the situation and it was actually a shelter like this that was burned down yesterday morning. police believe by right wing extremists. in fact, the ministry of interior has given us some data. there have been more than 340 attacks like this, everything from vandalism to hate speech to arson attacks and that's a huge jump from last year and the fear in the german government is that the more refugees come in, the more of this tension will continue to rise. so it is a big concern for them, carol. >> but as of right now, germany is still going to accept some 20,000 migrants or refugees, right? >> reporter: yeah. in fact, over the last few days they have accepted 20,000 people coming in from their borders. what germany has said is that it will take in 800,000 people who are seeking asylum. they will then process that and not everybody will get refugee status. some will have to be returned home, but that those from syria and iraq will have their applications sped up so that they'll have a better and quicker chance of settling here in germany. >> all right. atika shubert reporting live from berlin, germany. other top stories at 40 minutes past the hour, another sign that pope francis is trying to create a more welcoming catholic church, the vatican announced reforms making it easier and cheaper for catholics to get a marriage annulments. annulments will be free except for some small administrative fees and they will take fewer than 45 days. four mexican officials are facing charges following drug lord el chapo's lelaborate escae this past july. arrest warrants have been issued for two security guards and two intelligence officials. the charges come after this tweet angered authorities. el chapo's son posting this tweet. the virginia tech football team used their season opener against ohio state to honor the victims of last month's deadly shooting on live television. the two teams wore stickers with the number seven. wdbj's handle number on their helmets in memory of adam ward and alison parker. the buckeyes won the game 42-24. still to come in the "newsroom," an nfl rookie walking away before his very first game. why he says i quit. 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>> that's a great question, carol. some players have said that they would not have played the game. some players say that they won't let their chairman play the game now knowing some of the long-term adverse effects that playing the game can have on the body. i have had damage done to almost every major joint in my body. take a look at this photo. this is a picture of the tay tan yum plate and four screws in my neck right now. i see the scars in the mirror every day. i feel the pain every day that was caused by the game, but looking back on it, i certainly had concussions as well, and the only thing i would change, carol, and this would be my message to current players and parents who have children playing the game is that when you do have an injury, allow your body the proper time to heal because without question i was encouraged and pressured back onto the field to play too soon after injuries, and i now know that that wasn't wise, carol. >> no. and they say they're not doing that anymore and let's hope they're telling the truth. before you go, i wanted to ask you about roger goodell, too. he broke his silence about deflategate and i wondered what he said. >> well, first of all, he said he was glad football is back as many fans are, but the most intriguing thing that jumped out to me is he is now open to having someone else be the judge and jury when it comes to the nfl's discipline process. remember, he has been the judge and jury for several years now, and people were not happy about that. he almost received relieved to say i am open to changing. maybe there can be a discipline officer who can handle the appeals process. he seems to be wanting to get out of this. he said he's already talked to the owners about it over the past couple years. >> all right. coy wire reporting live for us this morning. thank you. this just in out of baltimore. the city has just reached a $6.4 million settlement with the freddie gray family. gray died in police custody, as you know, back in april after the 25-year-old suffered a grave injury to his neck. the wrongful death settlement will have to be approved by the city's official spending board, and remember the officers involved have yet to go to criminal trial. still to come in the "newsroom," stephen colbert poised to take over "the late show" with a little help from some high profile politicians. a live report next. ugh! heartburn! no one burns on my watch! try alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmm...amazing. i have heartburn. alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. everywhere you look, it strategy is now business strategy.? 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well, he talked to another cbs show, "cbs sunday morning" about what it is like to be retiring the character. look. >> i worked really hard to be that other guy for ten years, but thank god, you know who i am, i hope they'll find out pretty quickly that the guy they saw for ten years was my sense of humor the whole time. it is i guess flattering that people thought i was an actual pundit for a newsman eventually over the years, but it's really nice to not have to pretend it anymore. >> yes, the real colbert making his premiere tonight. there will be a couple pieces of memorabilia from his old show on the stage however. pretty much everything else is being kept a tightly guarded secret but we do know george clooney and jeb bush will be the big first guests tonight, carol. >> and there will be a host of politicians to follow, right? >> there will. most interestingly joe biden on thursday. lots of speculation that maybe he will drop some hints about a presidential bid on thursday night. next week he actually has a sitting supreme court justice, stephen breyer. when is the last time you saw a supreme court justice on a late night show? the two most interesting guests are from the business world. he has the ceos of uber and tesla on the show, two silicon valley stars. again, not people you normally see in late night. so i think it shows that colbert wants to bring a somewhat more serious sensibility to the show the same way david letterman did decades ago. >> it's interesting because jimmy fallon is still to happy-go-lucky. there's no stress at all in his show. there's no edge. i guess stephen colbert -- he's not as acerbic as david letterman so he's somewhere in between, right? >> i think that's exactly right. you think of fallon, lip srng b sink battles and slow jamming the news. jimmy kimmel, a lot of the same. maybe colbert wants to be the more serious late night show. maybe also stealing some viewers from comedy central now that jon stewart has stepped down from requesting the daily show." what we're seeing is sort of the completing of the changing of the guard in late night. a whole lot of new faces on at 11:00 and 11:30 p.m. and colbert is going to show us what his version of that will be tonight. >> lots to keep track of if you're brian stelter. thank you so much, brian. i appreciate it. thanks for joining me today. i'm carol costello. 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thank you, one and all for being here. there are many important policy issues facing our nation. we're going to get to many of them tonight. i do want to start off with current events in had news and also some of the comments that candidates have recently made on the campaign trail. ms. fiorina, i want to start with you. fellow republican candidate and louisiana governor bobby jindal has suggested your party's front-runner, mr. donald trump would be dangerous as president. he said he wouldn't want, quote, such a hot head with his finger on the nuclear codes. you as well have raised concerns about mr. trump's temperament. you have dismissed him as an entertainer. would you feel comfortable with donald trump's finger on the nuclear codes. >> he's a wonderful entertainer. he's been terrific at that business. i also think one of the benefits of a presidential campaign is the character and capability judgment of every single one of us is revealed over time and under pressure. all of us will be revealed over time and under pressure. i look forward to a long race. >> you didn't answer my question. would you feel comfortable with d donald trump's finger on the nuclear codes? >> that's not for me to answer. it's for the voter of this country to answer. i have a lot of faith in the common sense and good judgment of the voters of the united states of america. >> mr. trump. >> well -- >> first of all, rand paul shouldn't even be on this stage. he's number 11 and has 1% in the polls and how he got up here there is far too many people anyway. as far as temperament and we know that, as far as temperament, i have a great temperament. i've built a phenomenal business with incredible, iconic assets, one of the great real estate businesses and i may be an entertainer because i had success with number one best sellers all over the place, with kwaetd the apprentice" and everything else i have done, but i will tell you this, what i am far and away greater than an entertainer is a businessman and that's the kind of mindset this country needs to bring it back because we owe $19 trillion right now, $19 trillion, and you need this kind of thinking to bring our country back. and believe me, my temperament is very good, very calm, but we will be respected outside of this country. we are not respected now. >> senator paul, your name is invoked. >> i kind of have to laugh when i think of sounds like a nonsecwitter. he was asked whether or not he would be capable and in good hands to be in charge of the nuclear weapons and of a sudden there's a sideways attack at me. i think that really goes to really the judgment. do we want someone with that character, that kind of careless language to be negotiating with putin? do we want someone like that to be negotiating with iran? i think really there is a sophomoric quality that is entertaining about mr. trump, but i am worried. i'm very concerned about having him in charge of the nuclear weapons because i think his response, his visceral response to attack people on their appearance, short, tall, fat, ugly, my goodness, that happened in junior high. are we not way above that? would we not all be worried to have someone like that in charge of the nuclear arsenal? >> mr. trump? >> i never attacked him on look and believe me, there is plenty of subject matter there. that i can tell you. >> jake, jake, jake -- >> i want to give mr. trump. mr. trump, i want to give you another chance, mr. trump, i want to give you a chance to respond to something that your rival to your left, governor bush said. governor bush told me last week when i read him the quote from governor jindal that he agrees you're not a serious candidate. tell governor bush why you are a serious candidate and what your qualifications are to be command in chief. >> i've actually been in politics all my life, though i've been on that side as opposed to this side. i've been a politician for three months. obviously i'm doing well. i'm number one in polls by a lot. the qualifications is that i've dealt with people all over the world, been successful all over the world, everything i've done virtually has been a tremendous success. when markets changed, when things turned, i heard governor pataki, by the way, was a failed governor in new york, very seriously failed, he wouldn't be elected dogcatcher. i heard what he had to say. i'll tell you this, atlantic city, i've made a tremendous amount of money in atlantic city. left seven years ago and got great credit and that's what i'm about. i'm a businessman. did really well, really well, and jeb, what i want to do is put that ability into this country to make our country rich again and i can do that and i'm not sure that anybody else in the group will be able to do that. >> governor bush, would you feel comfortable with donald trump's finger on the nuclear code? >> i think the voters will make that determination but what i know to be true, the next president of the united states will have to fix an extraordinarily difficult situation. this administration, with president obama and hillary clinton, has created insecurity the likes of which we never would have imagined. there is not a place in the world we're better off today than six and a half years ago and that requires steadiness and understanding how the world works. that requires an understanding and appreciation of american leadership in the world. you can't just, you know, talk about this stuff and insult leaders around the world and expect a good result. you have to do this with a steady hand and i believe i have those skills. >> jake, this is -- >> i have to -- >> this is what is wrong with the debate. we're not talking about real issues. >> mr. trump, we don't need an apprentice in the white house, we have one right now. he told us all the things we wanted to hear back in 2008. we don't know who you are, where you're going, we need someone that can actually get the job done and you've talked about business. let me finish -- >> excuse me -- in wisconsin you're losing $2.2 billion. i would do so much better than that. >> mr. trump, you're using the talking points of the democrats. i'm using facts. >> three times in four and a half years when i got elected because it is working. we balanced a budget. you want to talk about balanced budgets. four major products into bankruptcy over and over and over again. you can't take america into bankruptcy. that's what's wrong with politicians in washington. they think we can take a country into bankruptcy. >> every major business leader, i never went bankrupt. everybody knows. hundreds of companies, i used the law four times and made a tremendous thing. i'm in business. i did a very good job. i will say this and people are very, very impressed with what i've done, the business people but when the folks of iowa found out the true facts of the job that you've done in wisconsin, all of a sudden you, too, he was number one and now he's number six or seven in the polls. look, we brought it out, you were supposed to make a billion dollars in the state. you lost $2.2 billion. you have right now a huge budget deficit. that's not a democratic point. that's a point. that's a fact. and when the people of iowa found that out, i went to number one and you went down the tubes. >> governor walker? >> absolutely. this is an issue that's important in this race. just because he says it doesn't make it true. the facts are the facts. we balanced at $3.6 billion budget deficit and cut taxes to $4.7 billion to help working families, family farmers, small business owners and senior citizens and it's about time people of america stand up and take note of this. if you want someone that can actually take on the special interest of washington, which you yourself said you were part of, using the system, we need somebody that will stand up and fight for average americans to put them back in charge. i'm taking that on. i'll do that as your next president. >> let's move on. >> jake, jake. >> phenomenon going on in the race is the political -- >> okay, governor kasich, go ahead. >> if i were sitting at home and watching this back and forth, i would be inclined to turn it off. i mean, people at home want to know across this country, they want to know what we're going to do to fix this place, how we're going to balance a budget, how we're going to create more economic growth, how we're going to pay down the dent, what we're going to do to strengthen the military. >> we have a lot of issues coming up, sir. >> with a lot. i know that it may be buzzing out there but i think it's important we get to the issues without all the fighting. >> we are getting to the issues, sir. >> phenomenon going on in the race is the political outsiders in the race, dr. carson, donald trump, carly fiorina all tonight have majority support in the polls. governor christie, i want to ask you about something dr. carson said the other day. dr. carson said campaigning is easier for him because he's not a politician. he can just tell the truth, therefore, while politicians quote have their finger in the air to see and do what is politically expedient. tell dr. carson, is that a fair description of you? >> i know ben doesn't think that about me. i'm sure he was talking about one of the other guys, not me. as far as being an outsider, let me tell you this, jake, i'm a republican in new jersey. i wake up every morning as an outsider. i wake up every morning with a democratic legislature trying to beat my head in and fight me because i'm trying to bring conservative change to a state that needed it desperately. everyone can talk up here about their credentials. every morning ivy toe bills and more taxes than any american in history according to americans for tax reform. what folks want is for somebody to go down and get the job done, and that's exactly what i'll do. i know this much, what the american people want to hire is somebody that believes in them. and believes that they are the ones who can fix our country. i will be the vessel through which they can fix this country, but it's not about me. it's about all of you. and getting this government off your back and out of your way and letting you succeed. i know ben wasn't talking about me, look at him smiling at me right now. i know ben didn't mean it about me. one of these other guys, i'm sure. >> dr. carson, who were you thinking about on this stage when you said that? >> be honest, man, be honest. >> more broadly, is experience in government not important for a president to have? >> typically politicians do things that are politically expedient, and they're looking for whatever their particular goal is. that is not the reason i've gotten into this thing. i'm extraordinarily concerned about the direction of this country, the divisiveness that's going on. the fiscal irresponsibility, the failure to take a leadership position in the world. all of those things will lead to a situation where the next generation will not have a chance that we've had now. so i don't, i don't want to really get into describing who's a politician and who's not a politician but i think the people have kind of made that decision for themselves already and will continue to do so as time goes on. >> see, jake, it wasn't me. >> jake, i'll tell you why people are supporting outsiders. it's because you know what happens if somebody has been in the system their whole life, they don't know how broken the system is. a fish swims in water, it knows its water. it's not that politicians are bad people. it's that they have been in that system forever. the truth is, 75% of the american people think the government is corrupt, 82% of the american people think these problems that have festered for 50 years in some cases, 25 years in other cases, the border has been insecure for 25 years. 300,000 veterans have died waiting for health care. these things have gone on for so long because no one will challenge the status quo. a leader challenges the status quo and solve problems that have festered for a long time and they produce results. that is what my whole life has been about. people know this is about far more than replacing a d with an r. this is about changing the system. >> thank you. governor bush, in addition to the fact he's an outsider, one of the reasons mr. trump is a front-runner, republican voters say, is they like the fact he is not bought and paid for by wealthy donors. mr. trump has repeatedly said that the $100 million you've raised for your campaign makes you a puppet for your donors. are you? >> no, absolutely not. people are supporting me because i have a proven record of conservative leadership where i cut taxes $19 billion over eight years. we shrunk the state government workphose. we led job growth seven out of eight years. we were one of two states to go to aaa bond rating. people don't we need a disrupter to go to washington, d.c. the one guy who had special interests that i know of who tried to get my views and generous and gave me money was donald trump. he wanted casino gambling in florida. >> no i didn't. >> yes, you did. >> i was opposed to casino gambling before. during and after, and i'm not going to be bought by anybody. >> i promise i would have gotten it. >> no way. >> i know my people. i know my people. >> anything else you want to say about this? >> i will tell you jeb mate the statement, i'm not only referred to him. a lot of money was raised by a lot of people standing up here. the donors, the special interests, the lobbyists have very strong power over these people. i'm spending all my money. i'm not getting any. i turned down -- i turned down so much, i could have right now from special interests and donors, i could have double and triple what he's got. i turned it down. i've turned down last week $5 million from somebody. so i will tell you, i understand the game. i've been on the other side all of my life, and they have a lot of control over our politicians and i don't say that favorably and not sure if there is another system but i say i am not accepting any money from anybody, nobody has control of me other than the people of this country. i'll do the right thing. >> you got, according to what you said on one of the talk shows, you've got hillary clinton to go to your wedding because you gave her money. >> that's true. >> maybe it works for hillary clinton, it doesn't work for anybody on this stage. >> i was a businessman. i got along with clinton and everybody. that was my job to get along with people. >> the fact is -- >> excuse me, one second -- >> no. >> more energy tonight. i like that. [ laughter ] >> i was asked the question -- >> i didn't want -- it was my obligation as a businessman to my family, to my company, to my employees to get along with all politicians and i did a good job in doing it. go ahead. >> so he supports pelosi, schumer, clinton. >> got along with everybody. >> when he asked florida to have casino gambling, we said no. >> wrong. >> we said no. that's the simple fact. >> don't make things up. >> don't cut me off, sir. >> jake, can i say something about that? >> sure, dr. carson. >> when i entered this race, all the political pundits said it's impossible. you can't do it because you're not connected with the money, and there's no way that you can raise what you need in order to compete successfully. i in no way am wimming to get into bed with special interest groups or lick the boots of billionaires. i have said to the people, if they want me to do this, please get involved and we now have over 500,000 donations and the money is coming in, but the pundits forgot about one thing, and that is the people. they are really in charge. >> russia is sending troops and tanks into syria right now to prop up a u.s. enemy, bosher al assad. they said, quote, russia presents the greatest threat to our national security. mr. trump you said you'll get along, quote, very well with putin. what would you do right now if you were president to get the russians out of syria? >> number one, they have to respect you. he has absolutely no respect for president obama. zero. syria is a mess. look at what is going on with isis and think we're fighting isis. isis wants to fight syria. why are we fighting isis in syria? let them fight each other. and pick up the remnants. i would talk to them, get along with him. i believe and i may be wrong in which case i'd probably have to take a different path but i'd get along with a lot of the world leaders this country is not getting along with. we don't get along with china, we don't get along with the heads of mexico. we don't get along with anybody, and yet, at the same time, they rip us left and right. they take advantage of us economically and every other way. we get along with nobody. i will get along, i think, with putin, and i will get along with others and we will have a much more stable, stable world. >> so just to clarify, the only answer i heard to the question i asked is that you would reach out to vladimir putin and you would do what? >> i believe that i will get along, we will do between that, ukraine, all of the other problems, we won't have the kind of problems that our country has right now with russia and many other nations. >> senator rubio, you've take an very different approach to the question of russia. you've called vladimir putin a quote gangster. why would president rubio's approach be more effective than president trump's? >> i have an understanding what russia and putin are doing. it's pretty straightforward. he want reposition russia as a geopolitical force. he himself said the destruction of the soviet union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 21st century and he's trying to reverse that. he's trying to destroy nato and this is what it's part of. he's exploiting a vacuum. here's what you're going to see in the next few weeks. you'll see the russians begin to fly combat missions not just targeting isis but in order to prop up assad. he will also turn to other allies and say america is no longer a reliable ally, saudi arabia, rely on us. he's trying to replace us as the sing the most important power broker in the middle east, and this president is allowing it. that is what is happening in the middle east, with russia and everywhere else. >> thank you. i want to bring in carly fiorina. >> having -- >> ms. fiorina. >> having met vladimir putin, i wouldn't talk to him at all. we talked way too much. i would begin rebuilding the sixth fleet and missile defense program in poland and conduct regular aggressive military exercises in the baltic states. i would probably send a few thousand more troops into germany. vladimir putin would get the message. by the way, the reason it's so critically important that every one of us know general sume amm sewell amani's name is because russia is in syria right now because the head of the quds force travels there and they're propping up bashar al assad. russia is a bad actor, but vladimir putin is someone we should not talk to because the only way he will stop is to sense strength and resolve on the other side. and we have all of that within our control. we could rebuild the six fleet. i will and we haven't. we could rebuild the missile defense program. we haven't. i will. we could also, to senator rubio's point, give the egyptians what they asked for, which is intelligence. >> thank you, senator. >> we could arm the kurds. they have been asking us for three years. all of this is within our control. >> thank you, mr. fiorina. >> the next president, no matter who heo sheer will be, will inherit president obama's iran deal. senator cruz, senator kasich said anyone planning to rip up the iran deal on day one, as you promised to do, is quote, inexperienced, and quote, playing to a crowd. respond to governor kasich, please. >> let me tell you, jake, the single biggest national security threat facing america is the threat of a nuclear iran. we've seen six and a half years of president obama leading from behind. weakness is provocative. this iranian nuclear deal is nothing short of catastrophic. this deal on its face will send over $100 billion to the ayatollah khomeini, making the obama administration the world's leading financier of radical islamic terrorism. abandons four american hostages in iran and will accelerate them acquiring nuclear weapons. you better believe it. if i'm elected president on the very first day in office, i will rip to shreds this catastrophic iranian nuclear deal. >> why is that in the playing to the crowd and an example of you being inexperienced? >> let's be clear. when it comes to experience, what president obama wants to do is he's run to the united nations and he wants to use the united nations to bind the united states and take away our sovereignty. i spent five and a half years as the solicitor general of texas the lead lawyer for the state in front of the u.s. supreme court, and i went in front of the supreme court and took on the world court in the united nations in a case and we won an historic victory saying the world court in the u.n. has no power to bind the united states and no president of the united states, republican or democrat, has the authority to give away our sovereignty, and so if there's anyone up here who would deal with iran, they're giving up the core responsibility of commander in chief and as president, i would never do that. >> did senator cruz just play to the crowd? >> let me say i think it's a bad agreement. i would have never done it. a lot of our problems in the world today is that we don't have the relationship with our allies. if we want to go everywhere alone, we won't have the strength. if we can rebuild our relationships with our allies. this agreement, we don't know what's going to happen in 18 months. i served on a defense committee for 18 years. i have seen lots of issues in foreign affairs and in terms of global politics, you have to be steady. if they cheat, we slap the sanctions back on. if they help hamas and hezbollah, we slap the sanctions back on. if we find out they may be developing a nuclear weapon, the military option is on the table. we're stronger when we work with western civilization, friends in europe and doing it on our own, i don't think is the right policy. >> thank you, governor kasich. i want to go to senator paul. senator paul, the white house is rolling out the red carpet for the president of china. governor walker says that president obama should cancel the dinner because of china's currency manipulation and china's alleged cyber attacks against the united states. is governor walker right? >> this goes back to what we've been saying for the last two or three questions. carly fiorina also said we're not going to talk with putin. think if regan said that during the cold war. we continued to talk with russians throughout the cold war, which is much more significant than where we are now. should we continue to talk with iran? yes. should we cut up the agreement immediately? that's absurd. wouldn't you want to know if they complied? i want to vote against the agreement because i don't think there is significant leverage but doesn't mean i would immediately not look at the agreement and cut it up without looking to see whether iran is compiling. the same goes with china. i don't think we need to be rash. i don't think we need to be reckless and we need to leave lines of communication open. often we talk about whether we should be engaged in the world or disengaged in the world and i think this is an example of some who want to isolate us, actually, and not be engaged. we do need to be engaged with russia. doesn't mean we give them a free pass or china but to be engaged means to continue to talk. we did throughout the cold war and would be a big mistake not to do it again. >> governor walker, senator paul seems to suggest that canciellig the state dinner would be rash and reckless. >> one back on iran. when it comes to china why would we give an official state visit to a country involve in a massive cyber attack to the united states. that's not just a visit but 21-gun salute on the south lawn on the white house. that doesn't make sense. if we sent a message, wouldn't this be the time they issue a massive attack? jake, per the question i was one of the first to call for terminating the bad deal with iran. the president came after me and said i need to bone up. the president that called isis the jv squad said i need to bone up. the reality is it's a bad deal on day one and a bad deal because this president has allowed iran to get closer and closer. i would love to play cards with this guy because barack obama folds with everything on iran. we need a leader that will stand up and actually -- >> governor bush, your father was the chief diplomatic envoy to china back when nixon opened relations to china. is scott walker's approach the right one cancelling the state dinner? >> i don't think so but we need to be strong against china. we should use offensive tactics to sent a deterrent signal to china. there should be sanctions than what president obama proposed. there is many other tools we have without cancelling a dinner. that's not going to change anything, but we can be much stronger as it relates to that. as it relates to iran, it's not a strategy to tear up an agreement. a strategy is how do we confront iran? the first thing we need to do is reestablish our commitment to israel, which has been tattered by this administration. and make sure that they have the most sophisticated weapons to send a signal to iran that we have israel's back. if we do that, it will create a healthier deterrent effect than anything else i can think of. >> i want to turn to governor huckabee, who has been very patient. somebody had to be 11th and he is. >> i would certainly love to get in on this. >> you -- you can use your minute however you want -- but i want to ask this question. >> i've been patiently waiting and i'll say this about iran. >> all right, sir, go ahead. >> it's important. this is really about the survival of western civilization. this is not just a little conflict with a middle eastern country that we have given over $100 billion to, the equivalent in u.s. terms is $5 trillion. this threatens israel immediately and the entire middle east but threatens the united states of america and we can't treat a nuclear iranian government as if it is just some government that would like to have power this is a government for 36 years has killed americans, they have kidnapped americans, they have maimed americans, they have sponsored terrorist groups, hamas and hezbollah, and they threaten the very essence of western civilization. to give them this agreement, that the president treats like the magna carta but iranians treat like toilet paper and we must simply make it very clear that the next president, one of us on this stage will absolutely not honor that agreement and will destroy it and will be tough with iran because otherwise, we put every person in this world in a very dangerous place. >> jake, i'd like -- >> we're going to turn now to hugh hewitt. >> mr. trump, two years ago, president obama drew a red line that the syrian dictator bashar assad crossed and president obama threatened to strike. he did not. knees buckled. we now have 4 million refugees. syria is a living hell, and he turned to the congress for the authority to back him up. you have three senators to your right that said no. do they bear responsibility for this refugee crisis and what would you have done when assad crossed the line? >> i wouldn't have drawn the line, but once he drew it, he had no choice but to go across. somehow, he just doesn't have courage. there is something missing from our president. had he crossed the line and really gone in with force, done something to assad, if he had gone in with tremendous force, you wouldn't have millions of people displaced all over the world. >> how much responsibility, mr. trump, do the senators hold? >> they had a responsibility. absolutely. i think we have three of them here. i think they had a responsibility. >> senator -- >> we have zero responsibility because let's remember what the president said. he said the attack he would conduct would be a pinprick. the united states military was not built to conduct pinprick attacks. if the united states military is going to be engaged by a commander in chief, it should only be engaged in an endeavor to win. and we're not going to authorize use of force if you're not putting men and women in a position to win. people don't trust this president because of that. >> senator paul? >> i think this gets to the point of wisdom on when to intervene and when we shouldn't. had we bombed assad at the time like president obama wanted and like hillary clinton wanted and many republicans wanted, i think isis would be in damascus today. isis would be in charge of syria had we bombed assad. sometimes both sides of the civil war are evil and intervention sometimes makes us less safe. this is the debate we need in the middle east. every time we topple a dictator, we've gotten chaos, the rise of radical islam, and we're more at risk. i think we need to think before enact and know most interventions have backfired on us. >> thank you, senator paul. i want to turn to dana bash. >> hold on a second, jake. he asked me as well. >> that would be fair. you're right. you're the third senator. >> i think i'm the first senator. >> the number one test for use of military force should be the vital national security interest of the united states. the reason why i opposed president obama bombing syria is because he couldn't answer the question what do you do if chemical weapons end up in the hands of radical islamic terrorists like isis? i want to respond to several folks up here who said we should trust this iranian deal and see if the iranians comply. anyone paying attention knows they will not compile. there is a reason they refer to israel as the little satan and america as the great satan in the middle of negotiating this treaty, khomeini led the assembled masses in chanting death to america. i'm reminded of a great editorial cartoon. it shows the ayatollah saying death to all americans and john kerry coming back and saying can we meet you halfway. we need a commander in chief to step up and protect the country. i can't wait to stand on the debate stage with hillary clinton and make it clear if you vote for hilary, you're voting for the ayatollah khomeini to possess a nuclear weapon, and if you elect me under no circumstances will those who chant death to america ever be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons. >> jake, you haven't heard. >> jake -- >> we'll go to dana bash. >> no, no, no, i want to say something about what senator just said. >> and then it will be my turn. >> let me suggest to you, we believe we operate better when allies work with us. president bush did it in the gulf war. we work better unified and secondly, nobody is trusting iran. they violate the deal. put on sanctions and have a high moral ground to talk to allies in europe. to get them to go with us. if they don't go with us, we slap sanctions on anyway. if they fund radical groups that threaten israel and the west, we should rip up the deal and put sanctions back on. let me make it clear. if we think they are close to developing a nuclear weapon and we get that information, you better believe that i would do everything in my power as the commander in chief to stop them having a nuclear weapon. we can have it and we can have our allies and we can be strong as a country and we can project across the globe with unity, not just doing it alone. that is not what gets us where we want to get as a nation. >> senator cruz? >> jake, there is no more important topic in 2016 than this topic right here. i listened to serve folks say, gosh, if they cheat, we'll act. we won't know under this agreement, there are several facilities in iran they designate as military facilities off limit all together. beyond that, the other facilities we give them 24 days notice before inspecting them. that is designed to allow them to hide the evidence and most astonishingly, this agreement trusts the iranians to inspect themselves. that makes no sense whatsoever and let me note, president obama is violating federal law but not handing over the side deals and we ought to see the united states congress stand up together and say hand over this treaty and protect this country. >> thank you, senator. i want to come back to governor huckabee. i want to turn to governor huckabee. you held a rally for a clerk in kentucky jailed for not issuing marriage licenses to same sex couples. as i don't need to tell you. you called what happened to kim davis, that clerk, an example of the criminalization of christianity. there are several people on the stage who disagree with you. governor bush for example says that clerk is sworn to uphold the law. is governor bush on the wrong side of the criminalization of christianity? >> not on the wrong side. jeb is a friend. i'm not up here to fight with jeb or anybody else. but i am here to fight for somebody who is a county clerk elected under the kentucky constitution that 75% of the people of that state voted for that said marriage was between a man and woman. the supreme court in a very, very divided decision decided out of thin air that they were just going to redefine marriage. it's a decision that the other justices in a sense said they didn't have and there wasn't a constitutional shred of capacity for them to do it. i thought that everybody here passed ninth grade civics. the courts cannot legislate. that's what roberts said and that's what we learned in civics. the courts can't make a law. they can interpret one and review one. they can't implement it and they can't force it. here is what happened. because the courts just decided that something was going to be, and people relinquished it, and the other two branches of government sat by silently, i thought we had three branches of government. they were all equal to each other. we have separation of powers and checks and balances. if the court can just make a dition and we all surrender to it, we have what jefferson was judicial tyranny. >> thank you, governor. >> let me finish this one thought. i haven't got much time i'm going to take what little i can here. we made accommodation to the fort hood shooter to let him grow a beard. we made accommodations to the detainees at gitmo and i've seen the accommodations that we made to the muslim detainees who killed americans. you're telling me you cannot make an accommodation for an elected democrat county clerk from kentucky? what else is it other than the criminalization of her faith and the exulitation of the faith of everyone else who might be a ft. hood shooter or a detainee at gitmo? >> i'm not telling you that, but mr. bush does. >> i don't think you're stating my views right. there needs to be accommodation for someone acting on faith. relicious conscience is a first freedom. it's a powerful part of our bill of rights, and in a big tolerant country, we should respect the rule of law. allow people in this country, i was opposed to the decision, but you can't just say, well, gays can't get married now. but this woman, there should be some accommodation for her conscience as there should be for people who are florists who don't want to participate in weddings or bakers. we should have accommodations to people so we can solve the problem in the right way. this should be solved at the local level, so we do agree, mike. >> i was -- >> governor, you said quote, she is sworn to uphold the law. >> she is and so if she, based on conscience can't sign that marriage license, then there should be someone in her office to be able to do it and if the law needs changed in the state of kentucky which is what she's advocating, it should be changed. >> let me go to dana bash with a question. >> governor kasich, senator cruz is committed to stripping federal funds from planned parenthood that it could result in shutting down the federal government in about two weeks. do you agree with senator cruz's tactic? >> we should defund planned parenthood. i don't know many people in america who don't believe we should. in my state, we're trying to figure out how to get it done because we are threatened with the federal government taking all of our medicaid money away. i think there is a way to get this done by giving governors the ability to be able to act to defund planned parenthood but it comes to closing down the federal government, you have to be very careful about that. when we shut the government down, if we have a chance at success and it's a great principle, yes. the president of the united states is not going to sign this and we'll shut the government down and open it up and american people will shake their head and say what's the story with these republicans? i think there is a way to get to cutting off the funding for planned parenthood. i was in the congress for 18 years, balanced the budget, cut taxes, got it done, changed welfare, went around the president to get welfare reform done. there are ways to do it without having to shut the government down but i'm sympathetic to the fact that we don't want this organization to get funding and the money ought to be reprogrammed for family planning and other organizations that don't support this tactic. i would not be for shutting the government down because i don't think it's going to work out. >> thank you. senator cruz, on this stage not that long ago senator graham said this tactic you're pushing would tank the republicans' ability to win in 2016. >> well, let me tell you, dana, number one i'm proud to stand for life. these planned parenthood videos are horrifying. i would encourage everybody to watch the videos. seeing them heartlessly selling and bartering human parts of huming beings and ask yourself are these my values? these are horrifying. on these videos planned parenthood confesses to multiple felonies. it is a felony with ten years jail term to sell the body parts of unborn children for profit. that's what these videos show planned parenthood doing. absolutely, we shouldn't be sending $500 million of taxpayer money to funding an ongoing criminal enterprise, and i tell you, the fact that republican leadership in both houses has begun this discussion by preemptively surrendinger to barack obama and saying we'll give in because obama threatens a veto. you know, obama is committed to his principles. he will fight for them. he says i will veto any budget that doesn't fund planned parenthood and republicans surrender. we need to stop surrendering and stand for our principles. >> thank you -- >> governor, i want to go to you, is it what senator cruz says, surrenderer by republicans. >> i can tell you this, we didn't surrenderer in new jersey. six years ago at the brand-new first ever pro-life governor of new jersey since roe v. wade, i defunded planned parenthood and defunded it eight times in new jersey. since the day i walked in as governor, planned parenthood has not been funded in new jersey. we stood up and every veto is sustained. here is the problem, we're fighting with each other up here. we agree, let's ask hillary clinton. she believes in the systematic murder of children in the womb to preserve their body parts dana in a way that maximizes their value for sale for profit. it is disgusting and the american people need to hear it. we shouldn't be fighting with each other. she's the real opponent and problem. >> governor, the reality is in just two weeks time, we're going to be facing a question about whether or not it's enough to shut down the government to make that statement because there's still a democrat in the white house. do you oppose it or support it? >> i'll tell you what i'm willing to fight for. why do we put tax reform on the president's tax. we is simplify the taxes. it's really important, danna. we got to talk about what we would be willing to shut down for. why don't we put tax reform on the desk and make him veto it. why haven't we repealed and replaced obamacare? make him veto that if it's what he wants to do. why don't we do the same thing with planned parenthood? >> republican congress -- they should be doing that and they're not, and we should not be giving the president a pass. >> dana -- >> one more time, i'm sorry, i want to get an answer. >> i put it in the list, dana. we should force the president to take action. >> dana -- >> let's force him -- >> dana, i would like to link these two issues, both of which are incredibly important. iran and planned parenthood. one has something to do with the defense of security of this nation. the other has something to do with the defense of the character of this nation. you haven't heard a plan about iran from any politician up here, here is my plan. on day one i will make two phone calls, the first to my good friend netanyahu to reassure him weez rr stand with the state of israel. the second to the supreme leader to tell him unless and until he opens every military and nuclear facility to real anytime anywhere inspections by our people, not his, we the united states of america will make it as difficult as possible to move money around the global financial system. we can do that. we don't need his cooperation to do it. ally and adversary in the world will know that the united states in america is back in the leadership business, which is how we must stand with allies. as regard to planned parenthood, anyone who has watched this videotape, i dare, hillary clinton, barack obama to watch these tapes. watch a fully formed fetus on the table, it's heart beating, it's legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain. this is about the character of our nation, and if we will not stand up and force president obama to veto this bill, shame on us. [ applause ] >> i want to continue on the subject, governor bush, you recently said while discussing planned parenthood, quote you're not sure we need a half billion for women's health issues but you since said you misspoke, you didn't mean to say women's health issues, but donald trump said that quote, that comment, will haunt you the same way mitt romney's 47% video haunted him. tell him why he's wrong. >> he's wrong because i'm the most pro-life governor on the stage. i got to act on my core beliefs. it's part of who i am. life is a gift from god and from beginning to end, we need to respect it and err on the side of life. we have parental notification and the only state to fund crisis pregnancy centers and totally focused on this and i would bring that philosophy to washington d.c. here is a solution to this. title ten of the hhs funding, there was something called the reagan rule, passed in 1988. in that rule, it was defined and the courts approved this, that a planned parenthood, you couldn't separate the money between the actual abortion procedures and there are 330,000 abortions that take place in this clinic, and their promotion of it. he interpreted the right way, the courts ruled in his favor and planned parenthood did not get funding during that time until president clinton came in. when i'm elected president, we'll restore that interpretation and this deal will be finished. >> thank you, governor bush. donald trump -- >> i just -- >> i'm not sure we need half a billion dollars for women's health issues, he said he misspoke. you said that's going to haunt him. >> i think it will haunt him. i think it's a terrible statement. i think it's going to haunt him absolutely. he came back later and said he misspoke. in question because i heard when he said the statement. i was watching and i said wow, i can't believe it. i will take care of women. i respect women. i will take care of women. one thing we will say and i would like to get back to the iran situation, we're talking about iran. the agreement was terrible. it was incompetent. i've never seen anything like it. one of the worst contracts i've seen and nobody ever mentioned north korea where you have a maniac sitting there and has nuclear weapons and somebody better start thinking about north korea and perhaps a couple other places but certainly north korea and ted and i have spoken. a lot of us have spoken. we're talking about iran. they are bad actors, bad thing are going to happen. in the meantime, you have somebody right now in north korea who's got nuclear weapons and who is saying almost every other week, i'm ready to use them, and we don't even mention it. >> governor bush? >> there are 13,000 community-based organizations that provide health services to women. 13,000 in this country. i don't believe planned parenthood should get a penny from the federal government. those organizations should get funding. just as i increased funding as i was governor of the state. that's the way you do this. improve the condition for people and donald, when i was governor, we increased opportunities for women. women's income grew three times faster than the national average when i was governor. >> why did you say it? why did you say it? i heard it myself. why did you say it? >> we increased child support. >> you said you're going to cut funding for women's health issues. you said it. >> i have a proven record. >> except you said it. >> we're going to get to -- >> just one more moment. there's something bigger to this. like some of the other governors here, i defunded planned parenthood four and a half years ago in a blue state, but it's bigger than that. we did that in a blue state and took the money and put it in women's health. i think the bigger issue is we should be able to do this nationally and this is why so many republicans are upset with washington. they see the house and senate and say whey can't we pass this? why can't we defund it? forget about the 60 vote rule. pass it with 51 votes. put it on the desk of the president. >> thank you, governor. >> go forward and make a point. >> thank you, governor. >> this is why people are upset with washington. >> we're going to get to many of this issues. we're still in the first block, believe it or not. i want to ask you about this, in an interview last week in "rolling stone" magazine, donald trump said, quote, look at that face. would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that the face of our next president? mr. trump later said he was talking about your persona, not your appearance. please feel free to respond what you think about his persona? >> you know, it's interesting to me, mr. trump said that he heard mr. bush very clearly and what mr. bush said. i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. [ applause ] >> i think she's got a beautiful face and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> all right. on that note, in less than two minutes, we'll take a very quick break. the most contentious issue on the campaign trail and the candidates on the stage are split over how to handle it. that's coming up next, please give some applause to the candidates. 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>> first of all, recognize that we have an incredible illegal immigration problem. i was down in arizona a few weeks ago at the border. i mean, the fences that were there were not manned and those are the kind of fences when i was a kid that would barely slow us down. i don't see any purpose in having that. what we need to do is look at something that actually works. arizona, they stop 97% of the illegal immigration there. they put in a double fence with a road so there was quick access by the enforcement people. if we don't seal the border, the rest of the stuff really doesn't matter. it's kind of ridiculous all the other things we talk about. we have the ability, we don't have the will. there was one area where they cut a hole in the fence and to repair it they put a few strands of barb wire across. photographers wanted to photograph us from the side of the mexicans and went through there and they weren't physically fit people, and they took their cameras and things with them and shot us from the other side. that's how easy it is to get across. and the drugs, it goes on and on and on. i.c.e. tells them to release these people. 67,000 criminals released. >> dr. carson. >> with all due respect, you said the plan, people that say that have no idea what this entails, why not? >> i have also said if anybody knows how to do that, that i would be willing to listen, and if they can, you know, specify exactly how that will be done and the cost and sounds reasonable, then i think it's worth discussing. >> let's continue the conversation about illegal immigration with dana bash. >> governor bush, mr. trump has suggested that your views on immigration are influenced by your mexican-born wife. he said that quote, if my wife were from mexico, i think i would have a soft spot for people from mexico. did mr. trump go too far in invoking your wife? >> he did. he did. you're proud of your family as i am. to subject my wife into the middle of political conversation was completely inappropriate and i hope you apologize for that. >> i have to tell you, i hear phenomenal things. i hear your wife is a lovely woman. >> she's fantastic. she's absolutely the love of my wife and right here and why don't you apologize to her. >> i won't do that because i said nothing wrong. i do hear she's a lovely woman. >> here is the deal, my wife is a mexican-american. she's an american by choice. she loves this country as much as anybody in this room. and she wants a secure border. she wants to embrace the traditional american values that make us special and make us unique. we're at a cross roads. are we going to take the reagan approach, the hopeful, optimistic approach, the approach that says you come to our country legally, you pursue your dreams with a vengeance, or the donald trump approach, everything is bad, everything is coming to an end. i'm on the reagan side of this. >> jeb said that they come into our country as an act of love. with all of the problems that we have in so many instances, we have wonderful people coming in but with all of the problems, this is not an act of love. he's weak on immigration. by the way, in favor of common core, which is also a disaster, but weak on immigration, he doesn't get my vote. >> dana -- >> mr. trump -- >> with all due respect, immigration did not come up in 2016 because mr. trump brought it up. we talked about it in 2012. we talked about it in 2008. we talked about it in 2004. >> not with this intensity. >> we've been talking about it for 25 years. this is why people are tired of politicians. >> i want to get governor bush a chance to respond to what mr. trump said. >> first of all, i wrote a book about this four years ago now and laid out a comprehensive conservative approach for immigration reform, and it does require securing the border. no one disagrees with that. but to build a wall and to deport people, half a million a month, would cost hundreds of billions of dollars, donald, hundreds of billions of dollars. it would destroy community life, tear families apart, and send a signal to the rest of the world that the united states values that are so important no longer matter. >> as i said, we are spending $200 billion. we are spending $200 billion a year on maintaining what we have. we will move them out. the great ones will come back. the good ones will come back. they will be expedited. they will come back legally. we'll have a country. they'll come back legally. >> on that note, you have criticized governor bush for speaking spanish on the campaign trail. you said quote, he should really set an example by speaking english in the united states. what's wrong with speaking spanish? >> i think it's wonderful and all, but i did it a little bit half-heartedly. but i mean it to a large extent. we have a country you have to speak english and where he was and the way it came out didn't sound right to me. we have to have assimilation to have a country. we have to have assimilation. i'm not the first one to say this, dana, we've had many people over the years for many, many years saying this is a country where we speak english, not spanish. [ applause ] >> well, i've been speaking english here tonight and i'll keep speaking english but the simple fact is of a high school kid asked me a question in spanish, a school by way of voucher program created under my watch. the largest voucher program in the country where kids can go to a christian school, and they ask me a question in spanish, i'm going to show respect and answer that question in spanish even though they do speak english and even though they embrace american values. >> this was a reporter, not a high school kid. >> i agree english is the unifying language of our country. everyone should learn to speak it and it's important. i want to tell you about someone who didn't speak english well, and that was my grandfather. he came in the 1960s escaping cuba and lived with us growing up and my grandfather loved america. he understood who was so special about this country. he loved ronald reagan and would be proud of the fact we're here this evening. my grandfather instilled in me the belief i was blessed to live in one society where even i, the son of a bartender and a maid could aspire to have anything and be anything i was willing to work hard and achieve, but he taught me that in spanish because it was the language he was most comfortable in, and he became a conservative even though he got his news in spanish. i believe that free enterprise and limited government is the best way to help people who are trying to achieve upward mobility and if they get news in spanish, i want them to hear that from me, not from a translator at univision. >> thank you, senator rubio. senator cruz, this week, we learned more about dr. carson's plan for the 11 to 12 million undocumented immigrants in this country. dr. carson proposed giving these undocumented immigrants a six-month grace period to pay back taxes, then to let them become guest workers and only to deport people who failed to do that. >> not exactly what i said. >> how would you say it. i was just reading the "wall street journal" quote, but please tell us. >> after we secure the borders, after we turn off the spigot to dispense all the goodies. people who have a pristine record, we should consider allowing them to become guest workers primarily in the agricultural sphere because that's the place where americans don't seem to want to work. that's what i said, and they have a six-month period to do that. if they don't do it in that time period, they become illegal, and as illegals they would be treated as such. >> from the horse's mouth, sen tomorrow cruz does that fit your definition of amnesty? >> jake, i'm very glad that donald trump is being in this race has forced the mainstream media finally to talk about illegal immigration. i think that's very important. i like it and respect ben carson. i'll let him talk about his own plans, but i will say this, the natural next question that primary voters are asking after we focus on illegal immigration is okay, what are the records of the various candidates and this is an issue of which there are stark differences. a majority of the men and women on this stage have previously and publicly embraced amnesty. i am the only candidate on this stage who has never supported amnesty and in fact, who helped lead the fight to stop a massive amnesty plan in 2013 when barack obama and harry reid joined the washington republicans in a massive amnesty plan. i stood shoulder to shoulder with jeff sessions helping lead the fight. folks here have talked about how do you secure the borders? i've been leading the fight in the senate to triple the border patrol, put in place fencing and walls, a strong biometric -- >> thank you, senator. senator rubio -- >> can i just correct -- >> we'll come back to you in one second. senator rubio, i'm not sure whose plan he's saying constitutes amnesty but he has said it about your plan in the past. we'll give you a chance to respond. >> illegal immigration, all the good aspects of immigration and negative ones i live with. my family is immigrants, my neighbors are immigrants. i have seen every aspect of it. and i can tell you america doesn't have one immigration problem. it has three. first, despite the fact that we have are the most generous country in the history of the world in allowing people to come here legally, we still have people coming here illegally. second, we have a legal immigration system that no longer works. it primary is built whether you have a relative living here instead of merit and 11 or 12 million people who have been here longer than a decade who are here illegally. we must deal with all three of these. we cannot deal with all three problems in one massive piece of legislation. i learned that. we tried it that way. here is the way forward, first, we must, we must secure the border, the physical border or the wall, absolutely but we need an entry exit tracking system. 40% of the people that come here illegally come legally and then they overstay the visa. we ultimately need a mandatory e verify system. after we've done that, step two would be to modernize the legal immigration system so you come to america on the basis of what you can contribute economically, not whether or not you have a relative living here and after we've done that the american people will be reasonable and responsible about what you do with someone who is here and isn't a criminal. if you're a criminal, obviously, you won't be able to stay. >> dr. carson, i would like you to answer the question, senator cruz describes plans such as yours as amnesty. why is is not amnesty? >> number one, i've talked to farmers and they said they cannot hire americans to do the job i'm talking about and the second reason is because the individuals who register as guest workers, they don't get to vote. they are not american citizens. and they don't get the rights and privileges of american citizens. so that's key. but the other thing that i want to bring up is i mentioned something earlier, i think it was just sort of glossed over. i talked about the success in yuma county, i mean, incredible success, and the department of justice said, no, we don't want to do that. that's too successful. we don't have to keep reinventing the wheel. all we have to do is look at things that work. use a little commonsense. >> thank you, dr. carson. i want to talk about the issue of birthright citizenship, which emerged as a major issue in the campaign. mr. trump, you say that babies born in the united states to undocumented immigrants should not any longer get automatic american citizenship. ms. fiorina says you are pandering and acting like the politicians you rail against. what's your message to ms. fiorina on birthright citizenship? >> the 14th amendment says clearly to a lot of great legal scholars, not television scholars but legal scholars it is wrong. it can be corrected with an act of congress, probably doesn't even need that. a woman gets pregnant. she's nine months, walks across the border, has the baby in the united states and we take care of the baby for 85 years. i don't think so. by the way, mexico and almost every other country anywhere in the world doesn't have that. we're the only ones dumb enough, stupid enough to have it. and people and by the way, this is not just with respect to mexico, they are coming from asia to have babies here and all of a sudden, we have to take care of the babies for the life of the baby. the 14th amendment, it reads properly, you can go and it's probably going to have to be checked or process through court, probably ends up at the supreme court but a lot of great legal scholars that say that's not correct and in my opinion, it makes absolutely no -- we're the only country, one of the only countries. we're going to take care of those babies for 70, 75, 80, 90 years? i don't think so. >> ms. fiorina, the majority of countries don't have birthright citizen ship. donald trump is right about that. why is it pandering when he says this? >> we have just spent a good bit of time discussing as republicans how to solve this problem. i would ask your audience at home to ask a very basic question. why have democrats not solved this problem? president obama campaigned in 2007 and 2008 on solving the immigration problem. he entered washington with majorities in the house and the senate. he could have chosen to do anything to solve this problem. instead, he chose to do nothing. why? because the democrats don't want this issue solved. >> ms. fiorina -- >> they want it to be an issue to use. as to birthright citizenship, the truth is you can't wave your hands and say the 14th amendment is going to go away. it will take an extremely arduous vote in congress followed by two thirds of the states, and if that doesn't work to amend the constitution, then it is a long, arduous process in court, and meanwhile, what will continue to go on is what has gone on for 25 years, with all due respect, mr. trump, we have been talking about illegal immigration for 25 years. san francisco has been a sanctuary city since 1989. there are 300 of them. meanwhile, what has happened, nothing. the border remains insecure. the legal immigration system remains broken. look, we know what it takes to secure a border. we've heard a lot of great ideas, manpower, money, technology, leadership -- mostly apparently leadership, the kind of leadership that understands how to get results. >> thank you. mr. trump -- >> i agree 100%, by the way. with carly on the fact that the democrats do not want to solve this problem for obvious reasons. i believe a reading of the 14th amendment allows you to have an interpretation where this is not legal and where it can't be done. i have seen both sides. some of the greatest scholars agree with me, without having to go through congress. if you do go through congress, you can absolutely solve the problem. >> you would stipulate, mr. trump, not everyone agrees with you. >> that's true, sure. >> where do you stand on the issue of birthright citizenship? >> i hate to say it but donald trump has a bit of a point here. the case that was decided around 1900 is people had a green card, were here legally and they said that their children were citizens. there has never been a direct supreme court case on people who were here illegally, whether or not their kids are citizens. it hasn't really been adjudicated. the 14th amendment says those that were here and under the jurisdiction, the original author of the 14th amendment said on the senate floor that this was applying to slaves and did not specifically apply to others. >> all right. senator paul, thank you. let's turn to another topic. we received a lot of questions on social media about the economy and jobs. we have two ceos on stage now, ms. fiorina you were ceo of hewlett packard. donald trump said, quote, you ran hp into the ground, you fires tons of people, you got viciously fired. for those looking to create jobs, why should they pick you and not donald trump? >> i led hewlett packard throw a very difficult time, the worst technology recession in 25 years. the nasdaq stock index fell 80%. it took 15 years for the stock index to recover. we had very strong competitors who literally went out of business and lost all of their jobs in the process, despite the difficult times. we doubled the size of the company. we quadruples its top line growth rate, quadruples the cash flow. yes, we had to make tough choices. and in doing so, we saved 80,000 jobs, went on to grow to 160,000 jobs, and now hewlett-packard is now almost 300,000 jobs. we went from lagging behind to leading in every market segment. we must lead in this nation again and tough calls are going to be required. as for the firing, i have been very honest about this from the day it happened. when you challenge the status quo you make enemies. i made a few. steve jobs told me that the day i was fired to say hey, been there, done that twice and it's true that the man that led my firing, tom perkins, just took out a full-page ad in the "new york times" to say he was wrong, i was right. i was a terrific ceo. the board was dysfunctional, and he thinks i will make a magnificent president of the united states. >> thank you, ms. fiorina. mr. trump, why would you be better at creating jobs than carly fiorina? >> let me just explain. the head of the yale business school wrote a paper recently, one of the worst tenures for a ceo that he has ever seen ranked one of the top 20 in the history of business, the company is a disaster and continues to be a disaster, they still haven't recovered. in fact today on the front page of "the wall street journal" theirified another 25,000 or 30,000 people, saying we still haven't recovered from the catastrop catastrophe. when carly says the revenues went up, it's because she bought compac, it was a terrible deal, and it led to the destruction of the company. one other company before that was lucid. it turned out to be a catastrophe. i only say this. she can't run any of my companies. that i can tell you. >> msdz fiorina, i want to give %-p clintonite and had it out for me from the moment i arrived at hewlett-packard. i find it quite rich you would talk about this. you know, there are a lot of us americans that believe that we are going to have trouble some day paying back the interest on our debt because politician have run up mountains of debt using other people's money. that is in fact precisely the way you ran your casinos. you ran up mountains of debt as well as losses using other people's money and were forced to file for bankruptcy not once, not twice, four times. a record four times. why should we trust you to manage the finances of this nation any differently than you managed the finances of your casinos? >> carly. >> mr. trump? >> i've made over $10 billion. i had a casino company, ceasers just filed for bankruptcy. chris will tell you, it's not chris' fault either, but almost everybody in atlantic city is in trouble or filed for -- maybe i'll blame chris. but atlantic city is a disaster -- wait a minute, carly, wait. i let you speak. atlantic city is a disaster. and i did great in atlantic city. i knew when to get out. my timing was great and i got a lot of credit for it. many of the great business people you know and carl icahn will work with me on making great deals with this country, whether it's carl or so many others that we read about all the time, they have used the laws of the land -- >> thank you, mr. trump. governor christie's name has been invoked. >> i'm as entertained with this personal back and forth by the history of donald and carly's career, for the 55-year-old construction worker out in the audience who doesn't have a job, who can't fund his college's education, they could care less about your careers. they care about theirs. let's start talking about that on the stage and stop playing the games. >> governor kasich -- >> john, i'm not done yet, john. stop -- >> not a game, it's the issue in this election. >> carly, listen, you can enter interrupt everybody else on the stage, you can't interrupt me. the fact is that we don't want to hear about your careers. back and forth and volleying back and forth who did well and poorly. you're both successful people. congratulations. you know who is not successful? the middle class people. getting plowed over by barack obama and hillary clinton. let's stop the childish back and forth between the two of you. [ applause ] >> jake? >> governor kasich, you next but ms. fiorina's name was mentioned. i have to give her the opportunity to respond if she wants it. >> i thought we were hearing about governor christie's record as governor, actually. track records are important. i completely agree. what's at stake here is the future of this nation and the future of every american, but i do think that a track record of leadership is vital because in the end, this election is about leadership. let's talk about leadership. it's not about bragging, it is about challenging the status quo, solving problems, producing results, and the highest calling of leadership is to unlock potential in others. >> thank you. >> problems have festered in washington for too long and the potential of this nation is being crushed. >> thank you, ms. fiorina. governor kasich, i'm coming to you. let me ask the question. you can use the time however you want. >> okay, jake. >> donald trump says the hedge fund guys are getting away with murder with the tax rate. he wants to raise the tax rates. do you agree? >> i don't at this point in terms of changing the incentives for investments in risk taking. let's stop for a second. there's one person on the stage who has a record. i have one of the few who led the effort of the chief architect the last time we balanced the federal budge. we also cut taxes. when i left washington in 2000, we had a $5 trillion surplus and the economy was booming. i spent ten year fz of my life to get us to that point, went out in the private sector, a great experience, and went into ohio and took an $8 billion hole and turned it into a $2 billion surplus. we had the largest amount of tax cuts of any sitting governor, we have grown over 300,000 jobs. you see, i've done it in both places. i'm the only one here that's done it in both places. it took a lot to get us to a balanced budget. it was legitimate and real and we negotiated it. a lot of what we're talking about here tonight as we take this position and that position, you know what? at the end of the day america has to work. we got to figure out how to come together to deal with this, with our fiscal problems because we when we deal with that, we create a stronger economy for everybody, people have a chance to rise. so when we think about how we make a choice, it's the person that lands that plane. it's not somebody that talks about it. it's about the person who has done it, and i have done it in both places and i did it including people in the other party, and that's how we were successful. and that's how i will be president. using that experience to drive this country forward. >> i want to bring you in on the question of hedge fund managers and taxes them. you have said that you are bothered by the fact hedge fund managers pay a low tax rate and make 2500 times what people who work for them make. do you agree with donald trump and governor bush have proposed, raising the tax rates? >> we ought to get rid of the taxes on people who produce. why should we penalize productivity? it's why i'm a supporter of the fair tax, which would be a tax on our consumption, rather than a tax on our productivity. in other words, you're not going to tax anybody for what they earn, whether it's a worker who's working by the hour or whether it's a hedge front manager. if they can create jobs, we need some jobs. and i think the fair tax makes more sense. now jake, i've been listening to everybody on the stage and there is a lot of back and forth about i'm the only one whose done this and great things. we've all done great things or we wouldn't be on the the stage but it occurs to me as we're sitting here in the reagan library that most of us would like to pay tribute to a guy who went he got elected didn't get elected telling everybody how great he was. he got elected telling everybody how great the american people were, and he empowered them to live their dreams which is what i would love to see us do by no longer penalizing the people who are out there working because they're taking a gut punch right now. >> thank you, governor. >> dr. carson, support slashing the tax code and replacing it with a flat tax, based on tithing from the bible. if you make $10 billion, you pay $1 billion in taxes, if you make $10, you pay $1 in taxes. donald trump believes in progressive taxation. he does not believe it's right rich people pay the same as the poor. tell donald trump why his ideas on taxes are wrong. >> it's all about america. you know, the people who say the guy who paid a billion dollars because he had 10, he still has $9 billion left. that's not fair. we need to take more of his money. that's called socialism. that doesn't work so well. what made america into a great nation was the fact that we said that guy just put in $1 billion, let's create an environment that's even more conducive to his success so next year he can put in $2 billion and that's the thing that helps us to grow. we can't grow by continuing to take a piece of pie and dividing it and redistributing it but i'm also looking at what governor huckabee talked about -- >> you don't want me operating on you, i assure you that. >> the fair tax. looking at both of them, we're evaluating them both and i'm talking to the american people because one of the things we must recognize is that this country is of for and by the people. and it's really time that the government get out of the way and let the people be the ones who decide how they want to run their country. >> mr. trump -- >> i'd like to respond -- >> what do you think of the flat tax? is it fair? >> the thing about the flat tax that i don't like is if you make $200 million a year, you pay 10%, you're paying very little relatively to someone who is making $50,000 a year and has to hire h & r block because it's so complicated. one thing i'll say to ben is we've had graduated tax system for years. it's not a socialistic thing. what i'd like to do and i'll be putting in the plan in about two weeks and i think people will like it, it's a major reduction in taxes, a major reduction for the middle class. the hedge fund guys won't like me as much as they do now. i know them all but they will pay more. i know people making a tremendous amount of money and paying virtually no taxes and it's not fair. >> thank you, mr. trump. senator paul. >> i'm glad we're having a discussion about taxes. everybody lumments we lose jobs overseas. our companies and jobs are being chased overseas by a 70,000-page tax code. so that's why we have a single rate, 14.5%, for everybody, business, korptd income and personal income. we also get rid of the payroll tax and the working close would get a break. a flat tax, eliminating the tax code and loopholes is the way to go and get america going again. >> governor walker, dr. carson wants to raise the federal minimum wage. you called it a lame idea. why is raising the federal minimum wage lame? >> the best way to help people see their wages go up is get them the education, the skills they need to take on careers they pay more than minimum wage. you want to help people get jobs and that's why on the last question we try to jump in on taxes, to me not just about taxes, cutting taxes, i've cut income taxes, property taxes, property taxes are lower in my state. than they were before we took office. the real issue is about jobs. our plan is based on the ronald reagan tax cuts of 1986. that brought about one of the longest sustained periods of economic growth in american history. all the things we should be talking about tonight are how to create jobs. helping people get the skills and education qualifications they need to succeed. that's the way you help people create jobs, part of our larger plan to reform the tax code, to cut taxes, to put in place an education system that gives people the skills and education they need, to put in place an all of the above energy policy, but you start by repealing obamacare. i'm the only one on the stage that has a plan introduced a plan to repeal obamacare on day one. i'll send a bill to congress and make sure they actually enact it and sign an order that makes congress live by the same rules as everybody else. >> dr. carson, governor walker didn't really answer the question but i'll let you respond. he called raising the federal minimum wage lame. what do you think? >> i was asked should it be raised? i said probably or possibly. but what i added which i think is the most important thing is i said we need to get both sides of this issue to sit down and talk about it and negotiate a reasonable minimum wage and index that so that we never have to have this conversation again in the history of america. i think we also have to have two minimum wages, a starter and a sustaining. because how are young people ever going to get a job if you have such a high minimum wage that it makes it impractical to hire them. >> thank you, i want to turn -- >> you said i didn't answer and i did. i said to me i think the real focus -- hillary clinton talks about the minimum wage. that's her answer to grow the economy. the answer is to give people the skills and education so they make far more. i don't want to argue about how low things are going to be. i want to talk about how do we lift everyone up in america. that's what regan talked about. now how bad things were but ho to make it better for everybody. that's what we've done in wisconsin. >> let me bring in our participant near from cnn radio network hugh hewitt. >> i want to talk about winning because i think all of you were more qualified than senator clinton as in the first debate. but there are different styles. carly fiorina and governor kasich you've been on my show a lot and refuse to attack hillary clinton, you don't want to do that. you want to do the go ohio campaign. i like that. carly fiorina, i don't have to bring up the secretary of state, you bring her up. which one of you is wrong? governor kasich? >> look, people still have to get to know me so i want to spend my time talking about my experience reforming welfare, balancing budgets, providing economic growth in washington, turning ohio around, $8 billion in the hole, $2 billion surplus. up over 300,000 jobs, big tax cuts, strengthening our credit. all those things matter but, you know, as a young man in my first election in 1978 i defeated a incumbent democrat. i defeated an incumbent democrat en1982, running on a reagannly republican in america to defeat an incumbent democrat that year, and when i won for election of governor, i was the first republican to defeat an incumbent democrat in 36 years and the first pem to have never run state-wide out of politics for ten years to beat an incumbent that hadn't happened. we'll get to the point to talk about hillary clinton or wherever the nominee is record. right now, i want to give people sense of hope, purpose, sense of unity, sense that we can do it. so -- >> governor. >> at the end of the day, i'll continue to talk about my record because there is, did you ever notice when people run for office, president, they make promises and don't keep them. i don't intend to do that and i'll be out there -- don't worry about me and hilary that will work out and i'm from ohio. she will not beat me there, i can promise that. >> carly fiorina, your style? >> you see, governor christie, people spend time talking about their track records and mr. trump and i have every right to do the same and mrs. clinton has to defend her track record. her track record of lying about benghazi, of lying about her e-mails, about lying about her servers. she does not have a track record of accomplishment like mrs. clinton, i, too, have travels hundreds of thousands of miles around the globe but unlike mrs. clinton, i know flying is an activity, not an accomplishment. mrs. clinton, if you want to stump a democrat, ask them to name a accomplishment of mrs. clinton's. >> governor christie, your name was mentioned. i want to give you a chance to respond. >> it's an important point and the question is who will prosecute hillary clinton? the obama white house seems to have no interest. the justin department seems to have no interest. it's time to put a former federal prosecutor on the same stage as hillary clinton and i'll prosecutor her in the debate on the stage for the record that we're talking about, the fact she had a private e-mail server using national security secrets running through it, could have been hacked by the russians, the chinese, or two 18 year-olds wanting to have fun. she knows she's wrong and she can't look in the mirror at herself and she can't tell the american people the truth. >> there's a whole lot more coming up ahead. a world of trouble, the challenge that one of these candidates may face in the oval office and how hoe or she will handle it. stay with us. when you're not confident you have complete visibility into your business, it can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at&t's innovative solutions connect machines and people... to keep your internet of things in-sync, in real-time. leaving you free to focus on what matters most. if you have moderate to severe ...isn't it time to let the... ...real you shine... ...through? 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>> makes an interesting point. >> i will say this, though, he was giving me name after name, arab name, arab name, and there are few people anywhere, anywhere that would have known those names. i think he was reading those off a sheet. and frankly i will have -- i told him -- i will have the finest team that anybody has put together and we will solve a lot of problems. you know, right now they know a lot and look at what is happening. the world is blowing up around us. we will have great teams and great people. i hope that answers your question. you are on the senate, but i hope this answers your question. >> it does. in the following way, this is an important question. i think if you're running for president, these are important issues. because look at around the world today, there is a lunatic in north korea with dozens of nuclear weapons and long range rocket that can already hit the very place in which we stand tonight. the chinese are rapidly expanding their military, they hack into our computers, they're building artificial islands in the south china sea, the most important shipping lane in the world. a gangster in moscow not just threatening europe, threatening to destroy and divide nato. you have radical jihadists in dozens of countries across multiple continents and recruit americans using social media to try to attack us here at home. now we have this horrible deal with iran where a radical shia cleric with an apocalyptic vision of the future will have long range rockets. these are extraordinarily dangerous times we live in. and the next president of the united states better be someone that understands these issues and has good judgment about them because the number one issue that a president will ever confront and the most important obligation that the federal government has is to keep this nation safe and today we are not doing that. we are eviscerating our military, and we have a president that is more respectful to the ayatollah in iran than he is to the prime minister of israel. >> mr. trump? senator rubio seemed to be suggesting that you don't know information that -- >> i don't think he's suggesting that at all. >> senator rubio. >> why don't we have a debate? we should have a deeper debate about these issues. there is no more important decision that a president will make. >> are you saying you have the knowledge to be the president that mr. trump does not have? >> you should ask him questions in detail about the foreign policy issues our president will confront. because you better be able to lead our country on the first day. not six months from now, not a year from now, on the first day in office, our president could very well confront a national security crisis. you can't predict it. sometimes you cannot control it. and it is the most the federal government does all kinds of things it shouldn't be doing. it regulates bathrooms, but the one thing the federal government must do, the one thing that only the federal government can do is keep us safe and the president better be up to date on those issues on his first day in office, on her first day in office. >> mr. trump? >> you have to understand, i am not sitting in the united states senate with, by the way, the worst voting record there is today. number one. i am not sitting in the united states senate. i'm a businessman doing business transactions. i am doing business transactions. i will know more about this and as you said that was very acceptable and when you listen to that whole interview, a great interview , you said it, i didn't. now i did. but -- >> he addresses -- >> just one second. >> i never get to address -- >> i'll know more about the problems of this world by the time i sit and you look at what is going in this world right now by people that supposedly know this world is a mess. >> senator rubio, he -- >> i'm proud to serve in the senate. when i ran five years ago, the entire leadership of my party in washington lined up against me, but i'm glad i won and i'm glad i ran. because this country is headed in the wrong direction. and if we keep electing the same people, nothing is going to change. and you're right, i have missed some votes and i'll tell you why, mr. trump. in my years in the senate i figured out very quickly that the political establishment in washington, d.c. and both political parties is completely out of touch with the lives of our people. you have millions of people in this country living paycheck to paycheck, and nothing is being done about it. we are about to leave our children with $18 trillion in debt, and they're about to raise the debt limit again. we have a world that grows increasingly dangerous and we are eviscerating our military spending and signing deals with iran. and these -- this thing continues, we're going to be the first americans to leave our children worse off than ourselves, that's why i'm missing votes because i am leaving the senate, i'm not running for re-election, and i'm running for president because i know this, unless we have the right president, we cannot make america fulfill its potential, but with the right person in office, the 21st century can be the greatest era that our nation has ever known. >> thank you, senator rubio. i want to turn now to hugh hewitt. >> thank you, jake. i've done a lot of great interviews with all of you. governor bush i talked to you in february about the biggest elephant in the room full of elephants which is your last name. you said you would not be burdened by your brother or your father's legacy in the middle east, and then a week later you rolled out your list of foreign policy advisers, and it was a lot of the band getting back together again. so on behalf of the military that is watching -- >> yeah. >> the active duty military at the end of the sphere, what kind of commander in chief is jeb bush going to be and who are the advisers that are new to your team? >> first of all, hugh, if you're looking at republican advisers, you have to go to the last two administrations that happened to be 41 and 43. so just by definition if you're -- many of the people here that are seeking advice from the foreign policy experts on the republican side, they served in my dad's administration, my brother's administration. of course that's the case. but i'm my own man. i'm going to create a strategy that is based on the simple fact that the united states needs to lead the world. the first thing we need to do is to stop the craziness of the sequester. rebuild our military so our -- so we don't deploy people over and over again without the necessary equipment to keep them safe, to send a signal to the world that we're serious. if we're going to lead the world, we need to have the strongest military possible. we need to rebuilt our counterintelligence and intelligence capabilities. we need to focus on the fact that the next president is going to start in 2017, not in 1990, you know, 30 years ago, or when my brother started. the world is dramatically different. i believe we need to restore america's presence and leadership in the world. name a country where our relationship is better today than it was the day that barack obama got elected president. under hillary clinton, and barack obama, we have seen a weakness that now creates huge problems for the next president of the united states. so i'll have a team that will be -- that will be following the doctrine i set up and it will be peace through strength. we're sitting here in this library, which is a wonderful place to talk about this, because that's exactly what happened in the 1980s and the worlds with a lot safer because of the leadership of ronald reagan and -- >> i want to ask you a question, though, you promised us great leaders. and i believe that. but jeb bush has laid out 20 different people that have experience, 190 countries, you can't run the world by yourself. when are we going to get some names on your military and foreign policy advisers? >> i'm meeting with people that are terrific people, but i have to say something because it is about judgment. i am the only person that fought very, very hard against us and i wasn't a sitting politician going into iraq because i said going into iraq that was in 2003, you can check it out, check out -- i'll give you 25 different stories. in fact, a delegation was sent to my office to see me because i was so vocal about it. i'm a very militaristic person but you have to know when to use the military. i'm the only person up here that fought against going into iraq. >> can i make a response to that? >> excuse me, one second, if you don't mind, you are on the last -- you do have your 1%. i would like -- i think it is very important -- i think it is important because it is about judgment. it is about judgment. i didn't want to go into iraq and i fought it because what i said to you -- >> may i respond to that? >> -- you're going to destabilize the middle east and that's what happened. >> he referred to -- >> may i make a response. >> right after me. i'll yield the floor. what are you saying in the senate when you're talking and debating? >> absolutely, go ahead. >> here's the facts. when had donald trump talks about judgment, what was his position on who would have been the best negotiator to deal with iran? it wasn't a republican. it was hillary clinton. that's what you believe. i mean, the lack of judgment and the lack of understanding about how the world works is really dangerous in this kind of time we're seeing. so is that the judgment that you bring to the table, that hillary clinton is a great negotiator, that she could bring about a better -- >> your brother and your brother's administration gave us barack obama because it was such a disaster those last three months that abraham lincoln couldn't have been elected. >> you know what? as it relates to my brother, there is one thing i know for sure, he kept us safe. i don't know if you remember, donald. you remember the rubble? you remember the firefighter with his arms around it? he sent a clear signal that the united states would be strong and fight islamic terrorism and he did keep us safe. >> i don't know. you feel safe now? i don't feel so safe. >> may i respond? >> that's because of barack obama. that's because of barack obama. we had a president who called isis the jv squad, yemen a success story, iran a place we could do business with. it is not because of george w. bush, it is because of barack obama. >> on that point, though, whether we're talking about national security, foreign policy, or we're talking about domestic policy -- >> or the collapse of the economy. >> -- the key issue is talking about leadership. this is a lot great people up here. you heard a lot of great ideas. i ask the american people, look who has been tested. when there were protesters at my capital, i didn't back down. when they issued threats against me and my family, didn't back down. when they tried to recall me, i didn't back down. when they made me a target last year, i didn't back down. give me a chance to be your president, i won't back down. >> the remark was there wasn't anyone else on the podium opposed to the iraq war. i made my career as being against the iraq war. i was opposed to the syrian war. i was opposed to arming people who are our enemies. iran is now stronger because hussein is gone. hussein was the great bulwark and counterbalance to the iranians. so when we complain about the iranians, you need to remember that the iraq war made it worse. originally governor bush was asked, was the iraq war a mistake and he said no, we would do it again. we have to learn sometimes the interventions back fire, the iraq war backfired and did not help us. we're still paying the repercussions of a bad decision. we have to make the decision now, in syria. should we topple assad? many up here wanted to topple assad and it is, like, i said no because if you do, isis will now be in charge. >> thank you. i understand that governor bush's name has been invoked and we can go to you, senator rubio. >> here is the lessons of history. when we pull back, voids are created. we left iraq, we should have had a forces agreement to stay there with a small force, and instead of that we politically and militarily pulled back and now we have the creation of isis. 36 days ago, in this very library, i gave a speech with a comprehensive strategy how to take out isis. and it requires american leadership and engagement. we don't have to be the world's policemen, but we certainly have to be the world's leader. we need to make sure the world knows we're serious, we're engaged, we're not going to pull back, our word matters. if we do that, we can create a force that will take out isis both in iraq and in syria which will take a lot longer time now because of what president obama has done by pulling back. >> thank you. >> i want to go deeper in that direction. i think the belief by somehow retreating makes america safer has been disproven every time it has been tried. syria is a perfect example of that. the uprising in syria was not started by the united states. it was started by the syrian people. i warned at the time, three and a half years ago, i openly and repeatedly warned that if we did not find moderate elements on the ground that we could equip and arm, that void would be filled by radical jihadists. the president didn't listen. the administration didn't follow through and that's exactly what happened. that's why isis grew. that is why isis then came over the border from syria and back into iraq. what is happening in that region is the direct consequence of the inability to lead and of disengagement. the more we disengage, the more airplanes from moscow you're going to see flying out of damascus and out of syria as you asked earlier today. >> thank you. dr. carson. >> i haven't had an opportunity to weigh in on foreign policy and i just want to mention that when the war -- when the issue occurred in 2003, i suggested to president bush that he not go to war. okay. so i just want that on the record. and, you know, a lot of people are very much against us getting involved right now with global jihadism and they refer back to our invasion of iraq and they seem to think that was what caused it. what caused it was withdrawing from there and creating a vacuum which allowed this terrible situation to occur. but it is very different from what is going on today. we're talking about global jihadists who actually want to destroy us. they are an existential threat to our nation. and we have to be mature enough to recognize that our children will have no future if we put our heads in the sand. we have to recognize we have two choices. we either allow them the continue to progress and appear to be the winners, or we use every resource available to us to destroy -- >> it is interesting you say that. i want to ask governor christie about something else you've said. governor christie, we marked the 14th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. dr. carson has said that if he had been president at the time, the united states would not have gone to war in afghanistan. what does that say to you about how dr. carson would respond as president if america were attacked again? >> jake, i was named u.s. attorney by president bush on september 10th, 2001. and that next day my wife mary pat did what she did every day, she traveled through the world trade center and went to her office two blocks from the world trade center. and after those planes hit for five and a half hours after that i couldn't reach her, didn't know whether she was dead or alive, we have three children at the time, 8, 5 and 1, and i had to confront what so many thousands of others in my region had to confront, the idea i might be become a single parent, the idea that my life and my children's life might be changed forever, we lost friends that day, we went to the funerals. and i will tell you that what those people wanted and what they deserved was for america to answer back against what had been done to them. and i support what president bush did at that time. going into afghanistan, hunting al qaeda and its leaders, getting its sanctuary out of place, and making it as difficult around the world for them to move people and money. and then he went to prosecutors like us, and he said, never again. don't prosecute these people after the crime is committed. intervene before the crime happens. i absolutely believe that what the president did at the time was right and i am proud to have been one of the people on the stage who was part of making sure that what governor bush said before was the truth. america was safe for those seven years and barack obama has taken that safety away from us. >> dr. carson? >> well, recognize that, you know, president george w. bush is a great friend of ours, and we spent many wonderful days at the white house. i haven't been there in the last seven years. i probably have to have a food tester, but at any rate i didn't suggest that nothing be done. what i suggested to president bush is to kennedy-esque in the sense that when the russians got ahead of us in the space race, we used a bully pulpit to galvanize everybody, business, industry, academia behind a national goal to put a man on the moon and bring him back safely. i said you can do the same kind of thing. declare that within five to ten years we'll become petroleum independent. the moderate arab states would have been so concerned about that, they would have turned over osama bin laden and anybody else you wanted on a silver platter within two weeks. there are smart ways to do things and there are muscular ways to do things. and sometimes you have to look at both of those to come up with the right solution. >> let me say this, jake, while that may have been a fine idea that dr. carson had, these people were out to kill us. i stood in that region, with my family, and every time a plane went overhead in the weeks after that, people's heads jerked to the sky because they thought it was happening again. you do not need to go through subtle diplomacy at that point. that could be handled later on. what you need is a strong american leader who will take the steps that are necessary to protect our nation. that's what i would do as commander in chief in this circumstance and that's what president george w. bush did in 2001. >> dr. carson? >> i have no argument with having a strong leader. and to be aggressive where aggression is needed. but it is not needed in every circumstance. there is a time when you can use your intellect to come up with other ways to do things and i think that's what we have to start thinking about. there is no question that a lot of the problems that we have been talking about in terms of the international situation is because we are weak, it is because our navy is so small, it is because our air force is incapable of doing the same things that it did a few years ago, it is because our marine corps is not ready to be deployed. there are a lot of problems that are going on and we need to solve those problems, we need to build up our military -- >> terrorism cannot be solved by intellect. they require -- what they need is they need an operating space. that's what afghanistan was for al qaeda. it was a vacuum that they filled and they created an operating space. that's why they had to be drawn out of there. that's why they had to be destroyed. it is the reason why isis has grown as well. we allowed a vacuum to emerge in syria. they used it as an operating space to grow and today they're not just in iraq and syria anymore, they're now in libya, conducting operations in the sinai. they're now in afghanistan trying to supplant the taliban as the most powerful radical jihadist group on the ground there as well. you cannot allow radical jihadists to have an operating safe haven anywhere in the world. >> just today there was a new report that 50 different intelligence analysts have said that what they sent up the ladder was doctored by senior officials so that they could give some happy talk to the situation that we face. i love the idea of a good intellectual capacity to deal with our enemies, but the fact is, you don't have good intelligence that is reliable and honest, you won't have good intelligence and you cannot make good decisions. the next president is primarily elected not just to know things, but to know what to do with the things that he knows. and the most dangerous person in any room is the person who doesn't know what he doesn't know. and the reason barack obama has been dangerous to this country and we better elect someone who had some executive experience is because we cannot afford another eight years having a person in the office who doesn't know what he does not know. >> thank you, governor, i want to turn to isis. governor walker -- >> just spent the last ten minutes -- >> governor walker, there is a big debate now, we have been talking about isis here and there in that discussion, a big debate right now about whether or not to send more u.s. troops to fight isis in iraq and syria. in the first debate earlier this evening, senator lindsey graham argued that candidates are only serious about fighting isis if they're willing to send 10,000 u.s. troops to iraq, 10,000 u.s. troops as part of a coalition to syria. governor walker, you say, you just told me a few days ago that the 3,000 u.s. troops there right now are enough as long as the rules of engagement are changed. what do you know that senator graham doesn't know? >> to be clear, what i said the other day was that we need to lift the political restrictions that are already in play. barack obama's administration has put political restrictions on the military personnel already in iraq. we need to lift those and then we need to listen to our military experts, not the political forces in the white house, but our military experts about how many more we sent in, and we certainly shouldn't have a commander in chief who sends a message to our adversaries as to how far we're going to go and how far we're willing to fight, so i'm not putting a troop number. i'm saying lift the political restrictions. when you do that, you empower our military personnel already there to work with the kurd and the sunni allies, to reclaim the territory taken by isis, and to do so in a way that allows that isis doesn't go back. we're talking about here, that is the fundamental problem going forward. we have a president and hillary clinton was a part of this, by the way, who made political decisions for our men and women in uniform. i want the men and women at home to know if i'm commander in chief, i will only send you into harm's way when our national security is at risk. and if we do, you know you'll have our full support, the support of the american people, and you'll have a clear path for victory. >> senator paul, i want to go to you. you have said that the boots on the ground to fight isis need to be arab boots. we just learned today that despite the obama administration spending $500 million to help create those arab boots, there are only four or five u.s. trained fighters in syria fighting isis. what does that say to you about the effectiveness of the idea of the boots on the ground need to be arab boots? >> if you want boots on the ground, and you want them to be our sons and daughters, you got 14 other choices. there will always be a bush or clinton for you if you want to go back to war in iraq. the thing is the first war was a mistake. and i'm not sending our sons and our daughters back to iraq. the war didn't work. we can amplify those who live there. the kurds deserve to be armed and i'll arm them. we can use our air force to amplify the forces there. but the boots on the ground need to be the people who live there. my goodness, i'm still upset with the saudi arabians for everything they do over there. they funded the arms that went to the jihadists. they're not accepting any of the people, any of the migrants that have been -- the refugees that are being pushed out of syria. saudi arabia is not accepting one. why are we always the world's patsies that we have to go over there and fight their wars for them? they need to fight their wars, we need to defend american interests, but it is not in america's national security interests to have another war in iraq. >> we're going to turn to domestic issues now. i want to bring in my colleague dana bash. >> thank you. >> can i make one point on this whole military discussion? >> sure. >> i called for boots on the ground many months ago in a coalition with our friends who share our interests. you know, you win a battle with the military. and when we go somewhere, we need to be mobile and lethal. we need to take care of business and we need to come home. but we face also a bigger war. and you win the bigger war with the battle of ideas. you wonder why young people and educated people, rich people, schooled people, have tried to join isis. western civilization, all of us, need to wake up to the fact that western civilization, all of us, need to wake up to the fact that those murderers and rapists need to be called out and in western civilization we need to make it clear that our faith in the jewish and christian principles force us to live a life bigger than ourselves to be centers in justice so that we can battle the radicals, call them out for what they are and make sure that all of our people feel fulfilled in living in western civilization. a giant battle in the world today. >> since everyone has gotten to weigh in on this military issue, i would like to be able to do the same. we spent probably 12 minutes talking about the past. let's talk about the future. we need the strongest military on the face of the planet and everyone has to know it. and specifically what that means is we need about 50 army brigades, we need about 36 marine battalions, we need somewhere between 300 and 350 naval ships, we need to upgrade every leg of the nuclear triad, we need to form the department of defense, we need as well to invest in our military technology. >> thank you, we're going to turn to domestic issues now with dana bash. >> and care for our veterans so 307,000 of them aren't dying waiting for health care. >> thank you. dana bash. >> governor bush, let's talk about an issue that is very important to republican voters and that's the supreme court. after chief justice john roberts voted to uphold obamacare twice, senator cruz criticized your brother for appointing john roberts to the supreme court. looking back on it, did your brother make a mistake? >> i'm surprised that senator cruz would say that since he was a strong supporter of john roberts at the time. i will talk about what i will do as president of the united states as it relates to appointing supreme court justices. we need to make sure that we have justices that with a proven, experienced record of respect for upholding the constitution. that is what we need. we can't have the history in recent past is appoint people that have no experience so that you can't get attacked. and that makes it harder for people to have confidence that they won't veer off on this issue. >> is john roberts one of those people? >> john roberts has made some really good decisions, for sure, but he did not have a proven extensive record that would have made clarity the important thing. that's what we need to do. i'm willing to fight for those nominees to make sure that they get passed. you can't do it the politically expedient way anymore. this is the most important thing the next president will do. >> have you liked what you just heard, senator cruz? >> yes, it was a mistake when he was appointed to the supreme court. he's a good enough lawyer that he knows in the obamacare cases he changed the statute, changed the law in order to force that failed law and millions of americans for political outcome. and you know, we're frustrated as conservatives. we keep winning elections and then don't get the outcome we wanted. let me focus on two moments in time. number one in 1990, in one room was david souter, another room was edith jones, the conservative on the 5th circuit court of appeals. george herbert walker bush appointed souter. in 2005 was john roberts and then my former boss, mike luttig, on the 4th circuit court of appeals. >> thank you. >> george w. bush appointed john roberts. let me give you the consequences of that. if instead president bush had appointed edith jones and mike luttig, who i would have appointed, obama care would have been struck down three years ago and the marriage laws of all 50 states would be on the books. these matter and i fought to defend the constitution my whole life and i will as president as well. >> mr. bush, i'll let you respond as well. >> he supported john roberts publicly. you can rewrite history i guess, ted, but the simple fact is you supported him because he had all the criteria that you would have thought would have made a great justice. and i think he is doing a good job. but the simple fact is going forward, what we need to do is to have someone that has a long-standing set of rulings that consistently makes it clear that he is focused, exclusively on upholding the constitution of the united states, that they won't try to use the bench as a means by which to legislate. and that's what we should do. and i hope i'll be working with members of the united states senate to fight hard for the passage of people that have that kind of qualification. >> senator cruz, 30 seconds. >> it is true that after george w. bush nominated john roberts i supported his confirmation. that was a mistake and i regret that. i wouldn't have nominated john roberts and indeed governor bush pointed out why. it wasn't that president bush wanted to appoint a liberal to the court. it is that it was the easier choice. both souter and roberts didn't have a long paper trail. if you nominated edith jones or mike luttig, you would have had a bloody fight and they weren't willing to use capital to put a strong judicial conservative on the court. we have an out of control court and i give you my word, if i'm elected president, every single supreme court justice will faithfully follow the law and will not act like philosopher king in imposing their liberal policies on millions of americans who need to be trusted to govern ourselves. >> thank you, senator. governor huckabee, i want to bring you in very quickly if you could. will you have a litmus test when it comes to appointing supreme court nominees? >> you better believe i will. i'm tired of liberals having a litmus test and conservatives are supposed to pretend we don't. i would ask, do you think the unborn child is a human being or is it just a blob of tissue? i would want to know the answer to that. i would want to know, do you believe in the first amendment? do you believe religious liberty is the fundamental liberty around which all the other freedoms of this country are based? and i would want to know, do you really believe in the second amendment? do you believe that we have an individual right to bear arms, to protect ourselves and our family and to protect our country? do you believe in the fifth and 14th amendment. do you believe a person before they're deprived of life and liberty should in fact have due process? and equal protection under the law? if you do, you're going to do more than defund planned parenthood. one final thing. i would make darn sure that we absolutely believe the tenth amendment, every governor on this stage would share this much with you. 6 blal when you're not confident your company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most. chuck, i know i have a 798 fico score, thanks to experian.com. kaboom... get your credit swagger on. go to experian.com. become a member of experian credit tracker and take charge of your score. 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colorado today, where marijuana has been legalized, enjoy it until january 2017 because i'll enforce the federal laws against marijuana. will you? >> i think one of the great problems and what american people don't like about politics is hypocrisy. people have one standard for other and not for themselves. there is one prominent example on the stage of someone who says they smoked pot in high school and yet the people going to jail for this are poor people, often african-americans and often hispanics and the rich kids who use drugs aren't. i personally think this is a crime for which the only victim is the individual, and i think that america has to take a different attitude. i would like to see more rehabilitation and less incarceration. i'm a fan of the drug courts which try to direct you back towards work and less time in jail. but the bottom line is the states. we say we like the tenth amendment, and until we start talking about this. i think the federal government has gone too far, i think the war on drugs has had a racial outcome. and really has been something that has really damaged our inner cities. not only do the drugs damage them, we damage them again by incarcerating them and then preventing them from getting employment over time. so i don't think that the federal government should overridethe states. i believe in the tenth amendment and i really will say that the states are left to themselves. >> i want to give that -- i want to give the person that you called a hypocrite an opportunity to respond. do you want to identify that person? >> i think if we left it open, we could see how many people smoked pot in high school. >> is there somebody you were specifically thinking of? >> well, you know, the thing is -- >> he was talking about me. >> yeah, i was talking about -- >> i'll make it easier for him and i just did. >> governor bush, please. >> 40 years ago i smoked marijuana and i admitted it. i'm sure other people did it and didn't want to admit it in front of 40 million people. here's the deal. here's the deal. we have a serious epidemic of drugs that goes way beyond marijuana. what goes on in colorado as far as i'm concerned, that should be a state decision. if you look at the problem of drugs in the society today, it is a serious problem. rand, you know this because you're campaigning in new hampshire like all of us and you see the epidemic of heroin, the overdoses of heroin taking place. people's families are being torn apart. it is appropriate for the government to play a consistent role to be able to provide more treatment, more prevention, we're the state that has the most drug courts across every circuit in florida. there are drug courts, to give people a second chance. that's the best way to do this. >> let me respond. the thing is is that in florida, governor bush campaigned against medical marijuana. that means that a small child like morgan hints that has seizures is not allowed to use cannabis oil and if they do that, they'll take the child away and put the parents in jail. you'll actually put them in jail. and in the current circumstances, kids who had privilege like you do don't go to jail, but the poor kids in our inner cities go to jail. i don't think that's fair. and i think we need to acknowledge it and it is hypocritical to still want to put poor people in jail -- >> i don't want to put poor people in jail. here's the deal. i did not oppose when the legislature passed the bill to deal with the issue. it was opened up, there was a huge loophole, it was the first step to getting to a colorado place. as a citizen of florida, i voted no. >> that means you put people in jail. >> i want to go right now to -- >> you brought my issue up. >> governor christie, please. >> i enjoy the interplay. thank you, gentlemen. i'll just say this, first off, new jersey is the first state in the nation that now says if you are nonviolent, nondealing drug user, you don't go to jail for your first offense. you go to mandatory treatment. you see, jake, i'm pro life. i think you need to be pro life for more than just the time in the womb. it gets tougher when they get out of the womb. and when they're the 16-year-old drug addict in lockup, that life is just as precious as the life in the womb. and so that's why i'm for rehabilitation, why i think the war on drugs has been a failure. i'll end with this, that doesn't mean we should be legalizing get way drugs. if you think the only victim is the person, look at the decrease in productivity, look at the way people get used and move on to other drugs when they use marijuana as a gateway drug, it is not them that are the only victims, the families are the victims too, children are the victims too, and their employers are the victims also. that's why i'll enforce the federal law, while you can still put an emphasis on rehabilitation. >> you respond and i'll bring in you, ms. fiorina. >> understand what they're saying, if they're going to say we are going to enforce the federal law against what the state law is, they're really believing in the tenth amendment, governor christie would go into colorado, and if you're breaking any federal law on marijuana, even though the state law allows it, he would put you in jail. if a young mother is trying to give her child cannabis oil for medical marijuana for seizure treatment, he would put her in jail if it violates federal law. i would let colorado do what the tenth amendment says. we were never intended to have crime dealing at the federal level. crime was supposed to be left to the states. colorado made their decision. and i don't want the federal government interfering and putting moms in jail who are trying to get medicine for their kid. >> and senator paul knows that's simply not the truth. we have medical marijuana laws which i supported and implemented. this is much different. while he would like to use a sympathetic story to back up his point, it doesn't work. i'm not against medical marijuana. we do it in new jersey. i'm against the recreational use against marijuana. if he wants to change the federal law, get congress to pass the law to change it and get a president to sign it. >> may i respond? >> yes, senator paul. >> here is the thing, he doesn't want to make it about medical marijuana, but what if new jersey's medical marijuana cries the federal law. he's saying he'll send the federal government in and he will enforce the federal law. that's not consistent with the tenth amendment. it is not consistent with states' rights. and it is not consistent with the conservative vision for the country. i don't think we should be sending the federal police in to arrest a mother and separate them from their child for giving a medicine to their child for seizures. >> i'm not going to -- >> i want to bring in ms. fiorina into this issue. >> i very much hope i am the only person on this stage who can say this, but i know there are millions of americans out there who will say the same thing. my husband frank and i buried a child to drug addiction. so we must invest more in the treatment of drugs. i agree with senator paul. i agree with states' rights. but we are misleading young people when we tell them that marijuana is just like having beer. it is not. and the marijuana that kids are smoking today is not the same as the marijuana that jeb bush smoked 40 years ago. we do -- sorry, barbara. we do need -- we do need criminal justice reform. we have the highest incarceration rates in the world. two-thirds of the people in our prisons are there for nonviolent offenses. mostly drug related. it is clearly not working. but we need to tell young people the truth. drug addiction is an epidemic. and it is taking too many of our young people. i know this sadly from personal experience. >> hugh hewitt, i'd like to -- >> thank you. tomorrow is -- tomorrow is constitution day. we have been talking about the tenth amendment. let's talk about the second amendment. governor bush, one of the things the supreme court has gotten right is that it is an individual right, it is protected for individuals. last week you said the next step in gun issues is to make sure they're not in the hands of mentally ill. in this state, there is a controversial law that allows guns to be taken away from people without a hearing. where does it go and the problem of violence is endemic, but where does it go from what you said last week, how far into people's lives to take guns away from them? >> not very far. i think we need to do this state by state. there are places that get this right and we need to make sure we protect the privacy laws. this is a complicated place. i do think the natural impulse on the left, hillary clinton immediately after one of these horrific violent acts took place, immediately said we need to have federal gun laws. president obama almost reflexively almost always says the same thing. the net result is you're going to take away rights of law abiding citizens, the 99.99% of the people that are law abiding citizens. that's not the right approach to do it. in florida, we have a background check. we have concealed weapon permit holders. we have a reduction in violent crime because we put people behind bars when they use a gun in the commission of a crime. that's the better approach. but we're living in a society today where despair grows in isolation. >> if a family member calls and says my child, my brother, my sister is disturbed, ought the state be able to go and get their weapon without a hearing? >> i think there needs to be a hearing, but we need to encourage that kind of involvement. that's exactly what we need to do. >> there is a broader issue here as well. first of all, the only people that follow the law are law abiding people. criminals by definition ignore the law. so you can pass all the gun laws in the world like the left wants, the criminals will ignore it because they're criminals. here is the real issue. the real issue -- the real issue is not what are people using to commit violence, but why are they committing the violence and here is the truth. because you cannot separate the social, moral well-being of your people from their economic and other well-being. you cannot separate it. you can't have a strong country without strong people. you cannot have strong people without strong values. and you cannot have strong values without strong families and the institutions in this country that defend and support those families. today we have a left wing government under this president that is undermining all of the institutions and society that support the family and teach those values. >> senator cruz, i want to go to you. your constitutional litigant, are you afraid of the next step theory of what happens to the second amendment rights? >> i am not and you mentioned that the u.s. supreme court had rightly upheld the individual right to keep and bear arms. i was proud to lead 31 states before the u.s. supreme court defending the second amendment, and we won that landmark victory. and indeed just a couple of years ago when harry reid and barack obama came after the right to keep and bear arms of millions of americans, i was proud to lead the fight in the united states senate to protect our right to keep and bear arms and for that reason i was honored to be endorsed by gun owner of america as the strongest supporter of the second amendment on this stage today. >> thank you, senator. >> i'll fight every day to defend the bill of rights. >> i'd like to turn to dana bash. >> mr. trump, you said once or twice you're really rich and by far the richest person on this stage. chris christie says billionaires like you and even people who make and earn far less should no longer get social security or at least there should be limits based on their income. you think he's wrong and if so, why? >> speaking for myself, i'm okay with it. i think there is a certain truth to it. i know people that frankly it has no impact on their life whatsoever. there are many people, i would almost say, leave it up to them, but i would be willing to check it off and say i will not get social security. i do not -- >> what about as a policy? >> as a policy, i would almost leave it up to the people. don't forget they pay in and pay in and maybe they do well and maybe some people want it. but the fact is that there are people that truly don't need it and there are many people that do need it very, very badly. and i would be willing to write mine off 100%, dana. >> is it voluntary program a way to get the social security system solvent again, like this? >> no, it is not. but with donald, that's a good start. that's very good. no, listen, this is an issue that we have got to talk about. and we haven't talked about yet. 71% of all federal spending is on entitlements and debt service. when john kennedy was elected president in 1960, it was 26%. harvard and dartmouth says social security will go insolvent in seven to eight years. what i say is very simple. we need to save this program for the good people out there who have paid into the system, and need it. and if that means making sure that folks like donald and many of us on the stage don't get it, that's the right thing to do because here's what hillary clinton is going to want to do she's going to want to put more money into a system that lied to us and stolen from us. this government doesn't need more money to make social security solvent. we need to not pay out benefits to people who don't really need it. we need to protect the people who social security means the difference between picking between heat and rent and food. that's why i put out the proposal and that's the people -- >> governor christie -- >> i'm coming to you right now on a separate issue. we received a lot of questions from social media about climate change. senator rubio, ronald reagan's secretary of state john schultz reminds us when reagan was president he faced a similar situation to the one we're facing now, dire warnings from the mass consensus of the scientific community about the ozone layer shrinking. schultz says ronald reagan urged skeptics in industry to come up with a plan. he said, do it as an insurance policy in case the scientists are right. the scientists were right. reagan and his approach worked. secretary schultz asks, why not take out an insurance policy approach climate change the reagan way? >> we're not going to destroy our economy the way the left wing government -- that we are under now wants to do. >> citing george schultz. >> he may have line up with our positions on this issue. here is the bottom line. every proposal they put forward will be proposals that make it harder to do business in america that will make it harder to create jobs in america. single parents are already struggling across this country to provide for their families. maybe a billionaire here in california can afford an increase in their utility rates, but a working family in tampa florida or anywhere across this country cannot afford t we're not going to destroy our economy. we're not going to make america a harder place to create jobs. in order to pursue policies that will do absolutely nothing, nothing to change our economy, to change our climate, our weather, because america is a lot of things, the greatest country in the world, absolutely. but america is not a planet. we are not even the largest carbon producer anymore, china is. they're drilling a hole and digging anywhere in the world that they can get a hold of so the bottom line is, i am not in favor of any policies that make america a harder place for people to live, or to work, or to raise their families. >> governor christie, you have said that climate change is real, and that humans help contribute to it. without getting into the issue of china versus the united states, which i understand you've talked about before, what do you make of skeptics of climate change such as senator rubio? >> i don't think senator rubio is a skeptic of climate change. what senator rubio said i agree with. we don't need this massive government intervention to deal with the problem. look what we have done in new jersey. we have already reached our clean air goals for 2020. when i was governor, i pulled out of the regional cap and trade deal, the only state in the northeast that did that. we still reached our goals. why? 53% of our electricity comes from nuclear. we use natural gas. we use solar power. we're the third highest solar power using state. you know why? we made those economically feasible. we shouldn't be destroying our economy to chase some wild left wing idea that somehow us by ourselves is going to fix the climate. we can contribute to that. and be economically sound. we have proven we can do that in new jersey. nuclear needs to be back on the table. and in a significant way in this country if we want to go after this problem. >> for the record, i was citing secretary of state george schultz. ronald reagan's secretary of state. i don't think anybody would call him left wing. >> everybody makes a mistake every once in a while, jake. even george schultz. if that's a representation of what he believes we should be doing, with all due respect to the former secretary of state, i disagree with him. >> jake, you mentioned -- call me a denier -- >> i called you a skeptic. >> a skeptic. you can measure the climate. you can measure it. that's not the issue we're discussing. here is what i'm skeptical of. i'm skeptical of the decisions that the left wants us to make. because i know the impact those are going to have and they're all going to be on our economy. they will not do a thing to lower the rise of the sea. they will not do a thing to clear the drought here in california. what they will do is make america a more expensive place to create jobs and today with millions of people watching this broadcast that are struggling paycheck to paycheck that do not know how they're going to pay their bills at the end of this month, i'm not in favor of anything that is going to make it harder for them to raise their family. >> a lot of -- >> i want to go to another question. >> i'll echo what senator rubio just said. this is an issue, we're talking about my state, thousands of manufacturing jobs. thousands of manufacturing jobs for a rule the obama administration -- the epa has said will have a marginal impact on climate change. so we're going to put thousands and thousands of jobs in my state, i think something like 30,000 in ohio. other states across this country. we're going to put people -- manufacturing jobs, the kind of jobs that are far greater than minimum wage, this administration is willing to put at risk for something that its own epa says is -- >> thank you, governor. i'm turning to another issue right now. i'm turning to another issue right now, senator cruz. i think we heard from several this evening. a backlash against vaccines was blamed for a measles outbreak here in california. dr. carson, donald trump has publicly and repeatedly linked vaccines, childhood vaccines to autism. which as you know the medical community adamantly disputes. you're a pediatric neurosurgeon. should mr. trump stop saying this? >> well, let me put it this way, there have been numerous studies and they have not demonstrated that there is any correlation between vaccinations and autism. this was something that was spread widely 15 or 20 years ago. and it has in the been adequately, you know, revealed to the public what is actually going on. vaccines are very important. certain ones. the ones that would prevent death or crippling. there are others, a multitude of vaccines which probably don't fit in that category and there should be some discretion in those cases. but, you know, a lot of this is pushed by big government. and i think that's one of the things that people so vehemently want to get rid of big government. you know, we have 4.1 million federal employees. 650 federal agencies in the department, that's why they have to take so much of our taxes. >> should he stop saying it, should he stop saying the vaccines cause autism? >> you know, i just explained it to him. he can read about it if he wants to. i think he's an intelligent man and will make the correct decision after getting the real facts. >> mr. trump, as president, you would be in charge of the centers for disease control and the national institutes of health, both of which say you are wrong. how would you handle this as president? >> autism has become an epidemic. 25 years ago, 35 years ago, you look at the statistics, not even close. it has gotten totally out of control. i am totally in favor of vaccines. but i want smaller doses over a longer period of time. because you take a baby in and i've seen it, i've seen it, i had my children taken care of over a long period of time, over two or three year period of time, same exact amount, you take this little beautiful baby, and you pump -- i mean, it looks just like it is meant for a horse, not for a child, and we had so many instances, people that work for me, just the other day, 2 years old, beautiful child went to have the vaccine and came back and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic. i only say it is not -- i'm in favor of vaccines, do them over a longer period of time, same amount. >> thank you. >> just in little sections. >> dr. carson? >> i think you're going to have -- i think you're going to see a big impact on autism. >> dr. carson, you just heard his medical take. >> he's an okay doctor. but, you know, the fact of the matter is we have extremely well documented proof that there is no autism associated with vaccinations. but it is true that we are probably giving way too many in too short a period of time. and a lot of pediatricians now recognize that. and i think are cutting down on the number and the proximity in which those are done. >> that's all i'm saying, jake. that's all i'm saying. >> dr. paul, i'd like to bring you in. >> a second opinion? one of the greatest -- one of the greatest medical discoveries of all time were the vaccines, particularly for smallpox. if you want to read a story called "the speckled monster," amazing story, it was done voluntary. people came in by the droves. i'm all for vaccines. but i'm also for freedom. i'm also a little concerned about how they're bunched up. my kids had all of their vaccines and if they say bunching them up isn't a problem, i should be able to spread out my vaccines at the very least. >> coming up -- >> jake. >> governor huckabee, please. >> we need to remember there are maybe controversies about autism, there is no controversy about the things that are driving the medical cause in this country. i believe the next president ought to declare a war on cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and alzheimer's because those are the four things that are causing the greatest level of cost. john kennedy said we'll go to the moon in a decade and bring a man back and we did it. i grew up in the '50s. i remember the polio vaccine. we saved billions of dollars since that time because we haven't had to treat for polio. why doesn't this country focus on cures rather than treatment? why don't we put a definitive focus, scientifically on finding the cure for cancer, for heart disease, for diabetes, and for alzheimer's, a disease alone that will cost us $1.1 trillion by the year -- >> thank you, governor. >> we change the economy and the country. >> we have to take another quick break. coming up, ronald reagan looming large over this debate. how reagan-esque exactly are these republicans? we'll find out next. we value sticking with things. when something works, people stick with it. more people stick with humana medicare advantage. because we stick with them. humana medicare advantage. the plan people stick with. when you do 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department announced that a woman will appear on the $10 bill. what woman would you like to see on the $10 bill? >> that's a tough one. you know, i'm big on -- i love what carly said about woman suffrage. i think susan b. anthony. >> that's an easy one. i would put my wife on there. i've been married to her for 41 years. she fought cancer and lived through it, raised three kids, five great grandkids and put up with me. who else could possibly be on that money other than my wife and then that way she could spend her own money. >> senator paul? senator rubio, sorry. >> we all look alike. >> just the senators. >> rosa parks. everyday american that changed the course of history. >> senator cruz. >> i wouldn't change the $10 bill. i would change the $20 take jackson off and leave alexander hamilton where he is as one of our founding fathers. and i very much agree with marco that it should be rosa parks. she was a principal pioneer that helped change this country, helped remedy racial injustice. and that would be an honor that would be entirely appropriate. >> dr. carson? >> i put my mother on there. she was one of 24 children, got married at age 13, had only a third grade education, had to raise two sons by herself, refused to be a victim, wouldn't let us be victims and has been inspiration for many people. >> mr. trump? >> well, because she's been sitting for three hours, i think my daughter ivanka who is right here. other than that, we'll go with rosa parks. i like that. >> governor bush. >> i would go with ronald reagan's partner, margaret thatcher, probably illegal, but what the heck, since it is not going to happen. a strong leader is what we need in the white house. and she certainly was a strong leader that restored the united kingdom to greatness. >> governor walker. >> to huckabee, thank you for making the rest of us look like chumps up here. clara barton. i worked for the red cross. she was a great founder of the red cross. >> ms. fiorina. >> i wouldn't change the $10 bill or $20 bill. honestly, it's a gesture. i don't think it helps to change our history. what i would think is we ought to recognize that women are not a special interest group. women are the majority of this nation. we are half the potential of this nation. and this nation will be better off when every woman has the opportunity to live the life she chooses. >> governor kasich? >> probably not maybe legal, but i would pick mother theresa. the lady that i had a chance to meet, a woman who lived a life so much bigger than her own, an inspiration to everyone when we think about our responsibility to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. >> governor christie? >> i think the adams family has been shorted in the currency business. our country wouldn't be here without john adams and he wouldn't have been able to do it without abigail adams. so i would put abigail adams on the $10 bill. >> some good entries if anybody at the mint is listening. the next light hearted question. the secret service uses code names for the president and his family, ronald reagan's code name was raw hide, homage to his performances in westerns. nancy reagan's was rainbow. you don't have to come up with one for your spouse. but what would you want your secret service code name to be? >> you know, i've been called a lot of names by a lot of different people i got to get called names by the secret service. i would say true heart. >> i have one now. it was my detail, they called me unit one, my wife says you'll never be unit one. i'm unit one. you're unit two. >> secretariat. >> governor walker? >> harley. i love riding harleys. >> ever ready, very high energy, donald. >> mr. trump? >> humble. >> that's a good one. >> back to carson. >> one nation. >> senator cruz? >> as a cuban, i might go with coheba. i would go with for heidi, angel. because she is my angel. >> senator rubio. >> there is some people in florida upset at me over a joke i made about florida state, but what the heck, i want my code name to be gator. >> governor huckabee? >> i would go with duck hunter. >> senator paul? >> justice never sleeps. >> that's a mouthful, but okay. okay. here is the more serious question. ronald reagan, the 40th president, used the plane behind you to accomplish a great many things. perhaps most notably to challenge mikhail gorbachev to tear down the wall and then ultimately to make peace with the ussr. how will the world look different once your air force one is parked in the hangar of your presidential library? senator paul? >> i met ronald reagan as a teenager. and my family were big supporters of him when he ran against gerald ford. it was a big deal because he was the grassroots running against the establishment. and i'll never forget that. and how we stood up and said, you know what, this is something new that our country needs and our party needs. if i were president, i would try to be one who says, you any what, i'm a reagan conservative. i'm someone who believes in peace through strength and i would try to lead the country in that way. knowing that our goal is peace, and that war is the last resort, not the first resort, and that when we go to war, we go to war in a constitutional way, which means we have to vote on it, war is initiated by congress, not by the president, and that we go to war reluctantly, but then when we go to war, we don't fight with one arm tied behind our back, we fight all out to win, but then we come home. >> at the end of my presidency, i would like to believe the world would be a safe place and there wouldn't be the threats not only to the u.s., but to israel and our allies because we would have the most incredible well trained, well equipped, well prepared military in the history of mankind and they would know that the commander in chief would never send them to a mission without all the resources necessary, but people because they would know that that would be an invitation to their destruction. domestically we would be operating under a tax system that eliminated the irs, people wouldn't be punished for their work, and for what they produced. and life would be really deemed precious. abortion would be no more. it would be as much of a scourge in our past as slavery is. and we would have a peaceful country where people respected each other and people respected law enforcement. and we would focus on cures. and we would make this country not only safe from our enemies without, but safe from the enemies within. and it would be a good place to raise our kids and our grandkids. >> one of the things that made ronald reagan a great president is he understood that america was a unique nation, like any other that existed throughout human history. he knew it was founded on universal principles that were powerful, dignity of all people, human rights, the rights of all live to live in freedom and liberty and choose their own path in life. he didn't believe it, he acted on it. that's why bringing down communism was so important to him. if i'm honored with the opportunity to be president, i hope that our air force one will fly first and foremost to our allies in israel, south korea, japan. they know we stand with them. that america can be counted on. it would also fly to china, not just to meet with our enemies, not just to meet with those adversaries of ours that are there, but also to meet with those that aspire to freedom and liberty within china. i would even invite them to -- we would fly to moscow and russia and not just meet with the leaders of russia, but also meet with those who aspire to freedom and liberty in russia and i hope my air force one, if i become president, will one day land in a free cuba, where its people can choose its leaders and its own destiny. >> ronald reagan believed in america. if i'm elected president our friends and allies across the globe will know that we stand with them, the bust of winston churchill will be back in the oval office, and the american embassy in israel will be in jerusalem. enemies across this world will know the united states is not to be trifled with. isis will be defeated. we will have a president willing to utter the words radical islamic terrorism and the ayatollah khomeini will understand that he will never, ever, ever acquire nuclear weapons. here at home, we'll reignite the promise of america. young people coming out of school, with student loans up to their eyeballs, will find instead of no jobs, two, three, four, five job opportunities. how will that happen? through tax reform. we'll pass a simple flat tax and abolish the irs. and through regulatory reform, we will repeal every word of obama care. you want to know what i'll do as president, it is real simple. we'll kill the terrorists, we'll repeal obamacare and we will defend the constitution every single word of it. >> well, you know, i was a radical democrat before i started listening to ronald reagan. and he didn't sound like what they said republicans were. he sounded logical. and i hope that i sound logical also. because when i look at what is going on with the united states of america, i see a lot of things that are not logical. i see us allowing people to divide us when in fact our strength is in our unity. i see people exercising the most irresponsible fiscal habits that anyone could possibly do. and hiding it from the american people so that the majority of people have no idea what our financial situation is, so when someone comes along and says, free college, free phones, free this and that, and the other, they say, wow, that's nice, having no idea that they're destabilizing our position. and i think also that ronald reagan was a master at understanding that a pinnacle nation has to be a nation that leads, if we learn to lead in the middle east right now, a coalition will form behind us, but never do it if we just sit there and talk about it. real leadership is what i would hopefully bring to america. >> if i become president, we will do something really special. we will make this country greater than ever before. we'll have more jobs. we'll have more of everything. we were discussing disease, we were discussing all sorts of things tonight, many of which will just be words, it will just pass on. i don't want to say politicians, all talk, no action. but a lot of what we talked about is words and it will be forgotten very quickly. if i'm president, many of the things that we discussed tonight will not be forgotten. we'll find solutions. and the world will respect us. they will respect us like never before. and it will be actually a friendlier world and i have to say it is a great honor to be here tonight. >> 6 million more people are living in poverty than the day that barack obama got elected president. 6 million more people. the middle class has had declining income, workforce participation rates lower than 1977. for the first time in modern history, more businesses are failing than are being created. that is what the next president will have to deal with. and i believe we can reverse course by creating a strategy of high sustained economic growth, not the new normal of 2% that all the left says we have to get used to, but a 4% growth strategy where we reform how we tax, fix the broken regulatory system, embrace the energy revolution in our midst, fix the immigration system so we can turn it into an economic driver, deal with the structural fiscal problems that exist because of our entitlement problems that will overwhelm and create way too much debt. if we grow at 4%, people will be lifted out of poverty. the great middle that defends our country will have a chance to be able to pursue their dreams as they see fit. that should be the great challenge and the great opportunity for the next president of the united states. to forge consensus to go back to a high growth strategy and then be able to lead the world. without a high growth strategy, we'll never have the resources or the optimism to be able to lead the world, which the world desperately needs our leadership. >> well, i turned 13 years old two days before ronald reagan was first elected. a lot of people forget this, but just a few days before that election 1980 he was behind in the polls. and i think what changed things was people in america realized they didn't want to hear what was bad about america, they wanted to know how it was going to be better. ronald reagan wasn't just a conservative republican. he was an eternal optimist. we need to live in a world where our children are free from the threats of radical islamic terrorism. we need to live in america where we have an economy, where everyone can live their piece of the american dream, no matter what that dream is. and we need to live in a america where we have a federal government that is not too big to fail, but ultimately small enough to succeed. where we send powers back to the states and the people. that's what i did in wisconsin. we took on the big government union bosses, the big government special interests, many of whom came in from washington, to spend millions of dollars to try and take me out because we stood up to them, we didn't back down. if you give me the chance as your next president, i won't back down any day, any way, anyhow. i'll fight and win for you and your families every single day i'm in office. >> i think what this nation can be and must be is symbolized by lady liberty and lady justice. lady liberty stands tall and strong. she is clear eyed and resolute. she doesn't shield her eyes from the realities of the world, but she faces outward into the world nevertheless as we always must. and she holds her torch high. because she knows she is a beacon of hope in a very troubled world. and lady justice, lady justice holds a sword by her side. because she is a fighter, a warrior for the values and the principles that have made this nation great. she holds a scale in her other hand, and with that scale she says all of us are equal in the eyes of god. and so all of us must be equal in the eyes of the law and the government. power full and power less alike. and she wears a blindfold. and with that blindfold she is saying to us that it must be true, it can be true that in this country, in this century, it doesn't matter who you are, it doesn't matter what you look like, it doesn't matter how you start, it doesn't matter your circumstances, here in this nation, every american's life must be filled with the possibilities that come from their god given gifts, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> as president, i will make this a nation that will solve problems. and how? by having the elected officials and the leaders realize they're americans before they're republicans or democrats. i did it in washington. and i've done it in ohio by having the elected officials realize that they're ohioans before anything else. secondly, i will rebuild a relationships and show the respect to our allies around the world. we have no choice but to do that. we will be stronger when we are unified. and we'll fight for freedom and for human rights. and finally, a little bit of what carly said. the people that are out there listening, america was never great because we ran america from the top down. america is great because we have run america from the bottom up where we all live in the neighborhoods. one more time in america, we
strategy is to see and hear more from clinton. she's given more interviews in the last week than the first five months of her campaign. in that interview, she grew emotional when asked about her mother who died in 2011. >> she told me every day, you have to get up and fight for what you believe in, no matter how hard it is. i think about her a lot. i miss her a lot. i wish she were here with me. i don't want to just fight for me. i can have a perfectly fine life not being president. i'm going to fight for all the people like my mother who need somebody in their corner. >> she is talking more about her mother than before on the campaign trail to tell her story. this is an intentional reminder to voters she is not only a former first lady and part of a political dynasty. she said i'm not taking anything for granted. this is another sign that her candidacy is in a far different place than a few months ago. >> still a long way to go. >> thank you very much. candid concessions, not just from hillary clinton, but other contenders in the spotlight. jeb bush taking issue on it and donald trump making a big move, saying there are migrants that the u.s. should welcome to the u.s. cnns athena jones with more. make sense of it for us. what was jeb trying to do and what was trump trying to do? >> good morning. well, it seems like they are trying to appeal to a way that is to a larger crowd. it was unexpected from trump. he's holding a rally with another republican candidate here at the capitol. meanwhile, jeb bush is trying to show off his funny side as the post labor day debate push gets into full swing. >> governor jeb bush. >> he made his debut on the late show with stephen colbert. >> what ways do you politically differ from your brother, george? >> i'm obviously younger, much better looking. >> reporter: he touted forte, the budget. >> he should have brought the hammer down on the republicans when they were spending too much. they call me veto coroloni in florida. >> reporter: he is set to unveil his tax reform plan, laying out details in a new op-ed in the wall street journal with 4% economic growth. trump releasing another slam ad on instagram on tuesday, doubling down on attacks that jeb bush is low energy. >> too much energy? have low energy? >> they have an hsa in some countries. the norm ought to be -- >> jeb for all your sleeping needs. >> reporter: he plans to join forces protesting president obama's iran deal. in his own op-ed in usa today, trump blasts the deal calling it, quote, amateur hour. a sentiment he echoed tuesday night on fox news. >> i will re-negotiate that deal. that's what i do. that's what i do in life. >> reporter: he's weighing in on the european migrant crisis. >> i wonder where all these people are coming from and do you have people from isis in the group? >> reporter: his response to the migrants being welcome in the u.s.? a stark difference. >> i hate the concept, but with the humanitarian basis, you have to. >> unexpected words from trump. as for the rally trump and cruz are holding, it's rare to see rivals come together for such an event. meanwhi meanwhile, ben carson who's been surging in the polls has been asked about a carson/trump ticket. his response? all things are pospossible. michaela? >> so much before the debate. we are looking forward to it all. thank you for the rundown. after spending five days in jail, could kim davis return to work today? mike huckabee gave davis a rock star treatment during her release tuesday. martin savidge has all the details. >> reporter: she was released from jail yesterday. that was a stunning turn of events. nobody seems more surprised than kim davis herself. the real question now is, what is she going to do? it was a stage fit for a presidential candidate. kim davis stole the show, fresh out of jail and welcomed by cheers from hundreds of supporters. >> i want to give god the glory. >> davis went to jail after refusing to issue all marriage licenses following the decision on gay marriage. she said she was religiously opposed to having her name appear on the document for same-sex couples. she spent five days behind bars while support for christians grew. the effort to free her drew two republican candidates to her jail cell. mike huckabee and ted cruz, despite the fact that davis is a democrat. before they arrived, the judge that sent her to jail, suddenly freed her on one condition, she shall not interview with the efforts of deputy clerks issuing marriage licenses. some of them, to same-sex couples. davis' foreiattorney says she h changed her position on same-sex marriage and a showdown could be brewing. >> she will serve the people as they want her to serve and she was elected and she will be loyal to god and not going to violate her conscience. >> reporter: to many, the small town kentucky clerk has become a hero of her faith. >> she's shown more courage than any politician i know and most every pastor i know. she's not only said something, she's been willing to put her life at risk. >> reporter: which is why we stand outside kim davis' office, waiting to see if she will show up for work today. there's no guarantee she will come in. she will have to return at some point. the next step of this drama will play out with the decision she makes with whether to issue or not, marriage licenses. michaela? >> curious what they have to say in the office about that affair. gop presidential candidate, mike huckabee will join us in our 8:00 hour. we will talk to him live about yesterday. >> we have much more to talk about. let's bring in jeff and cnn police cal commentator, ryan. thanks so much for being here. ryan, let's start with hillary clinton. what we have heard is it's not about the contents of the e-mail, necessarily. we don't know what was in those, it's about how she handled it. now that she said, i made a mistake, i am sorry about this, i should have used two e-mails, does this settle it? >> unfortunately for the hillary clinton campaign, no. the reason is, she is stuck in this process, a washington process story where the e-mails will continue to be released. there will be continued media interest in that. she has to testify before the benghazi committee. she has former staffers testifying, one taking the fifth. and there will be a -- then, she has this justice department inquirely over the nature of whatever classified information may have been sent or received over the e-mail system. that has not ended. she's going to be dealing with and talking about this issue on regular intervals for a long time. my apologizing clearly, it may take political pressure off us in the immediamedia, but the investigation is going to keep going. >> doesn't this justify her behavior to this point on this issue? she also said, i should have taken questions sooner. that is obviously directed to you. because you have all these investigations going on and by saying sorry, no matter what context you put it in or how tearful when discussing her mother and pledge to help women, it seems like she did something wrong. why give that to your opponents? >> that's a thing that held her back for saying she's sorry. we have seen in the last week or so saying i'm sorry for the confusion this caused people. that is the lawyerly answer. that doesn't cut it when you are running for president. she has given in to say she's sorry. she knows she will be asked this every single time. they are trying to talk about it so much that people, a, stop asking about it and b, are ready to move on from this. she's in a bit of a can't win and can't lose situation here, regardless of what she says. ryan is right. had she been more forthcoming taking questions months ago, this could have been behind her. this is constant criticism of people who admire hillary clinton, want her to be president. it takes so long to get to this point. it was less than a week ago she sat down with andrea mitchell and declined to say any of this. we can see the strategy changing in realtime and see what the investigations bring, if anything. i think she's gone a long way toward turning the page, at least for now on this. >> okay, let's move on to kentucky. there was this incredible scene where one of the presidential candidates, former governor, mike huckabee stood next to kim davis where she was released triumphantly from jail. what is his political play? he has strong christian beliefs, but politically, since this is not really where the country is, the majority of the country supports gay marriage, what is he doing? >> well, i think it's pretty obvious. mike huckabee has been one of the republican candidates who has stated, clearly, that he is going to make the supreme court decision on gay marriage a centerpiece of his campaign, that republicans should not give up the fight. and, you know, i don't have to tell you guys, in the iowa caucuses, that is a state where the republican electorate is disproportionately made up of e have been jell cal conservatives and agree with him on gay marriage. in a 17-candidate field where it's hard to get attention, going to kentucky and doing this event with davis makes him stand out. other republicans see it as not a winning issue, as you point out. the country, the opinion on this is more settled. in a general election, i don't think other republicans want it to be an issue. huckabee is appealing to a certain piece of the electorate that cares about gay marriage. >> you have to look at it from the foolish perspective, also, if he wants to be president of the united states. doesn't it say something that only ted cruz wanted to join him down there? this is not about whether or not it's okay. this isn't about someone forced to go to jail for her beliefs, it was her choice. she could have resigned. where is the high ground here? >> although they are in kentucky, they were saying hey iowa, are you watching what we are doing here? it was a short term strategy in appealing to christian conservatives, but even in iowa, among republicans overall, iowa had gay marriage longer than any state. it's becoming settled there as well. 6-10 republican voters say we should move on. the other 4-10 are key to the support of the caucuses here. there's no question governor huckabee believes this. i think you also, serious presidential candidates don't go running to every press conference around the country here. i'm not sure how presidential that was. >> jeff, ryan, thanks so much. nice to see you guys. >> with all these people making statements, we are giving then opportunities to come on here. we have a request out to hillary clinton to discuss her new position. to jeb bush to clarify what he's saying about his brother and his ambitious tax plan, which isn't getting much attention and to donald trump because of what he's saying about migrants. he is the only one to accept. he will be on "new day" tomorrow at 7:00 to explain his position. he said the u.s. should let in migrants because of how terrible the situation is for him. we are going to have a how-to session on his bold promises for the country. >> look forward to hearing that. also, one week from today, watch the cnn republican presidential debate. it is wednesday, september 16th at 6:00 and 8:00 p.m. eastern. set your dials. we want to turn to the migrant crisis unfolding. the european union inveiling a new plan to the thousands of desperate refugees arriving at the borders. we want to turn to arwa damon who is live along the serbia border. arwa? >> reporter: hi. right now, we are with a group that broke out of the holding area, yet again. they pushed their way through police line. they were eventually caught or brought under control and waiting on the side of the road. they were promised buses would be arriving to transport them. why do the breakouts keep happening? people can't take the conditions. by the time they arrive here, they are mentally, physically, emotionally exhausted. they want to keep going. this family is from kobani, syria. a year ago, there were fierce clashes with isis. this family tried to go back to kobani after they fled because they thought it was safe. then isis launched a counter attack two months ago, then decided to leave. this woman, in the red sweater, she actually gave birth when she arrived in greece. she was pregnant in the dinghy. the minute they landed she couldn't walk anymore. she had to wait in greece until she gave birth, then walked. that baby, a little girl, she is just 11 days old and they made this entire journey. a big risk for them. that is because, chris, they believe that if they stay back home, they would most certainly end up dead. that's why they are take thg risk, because they want security, not just physical security, but to secure a future for themselves and their children. >> the situation is only getting worse in many countries. you have been very forceful in saying the difference between a refugee and a migrant may make sense on paper, but not practicality for those you are meeting every day. keep telling us the stories. we keep getting the message out for you. unfolding on a runway in las vegas. a british airways flight erupts in flames. take a look at the picture. 159 passengers, 13 crew all had to escape. we are live in vegas with the latest. what is going on now? >> reporter: good morning, chris. well, the plane burst into flames as it began accelerating down the runway. this was the left engine that caught fire. as you can imagine, passengers were scrambling for safety, some of whom were injured going down those emergency slides. a terrifying image at the las vegas airport, thick black smoke pouring out. witnesses describe a frantic situation. >> i was shouting to people, run away from the flight, run as far as z you can get. >> tremendous explosion from behind. >> reporter: british airways flight 2277 with 159 passengers and 13 crew members on board. you can see many running from the burning aircraft. authorities determining it was the left engine that caught fire. >> gaining speed to take off and heard a big noise. i opened up my window and we sat still for a minute, just waiting to hear what to do. >> reporter: the pilots and air traffic control showing professionalism as the situation unfolds. >> may day, may day. >> 2276, request fire services on the way. >> reporter: they evacuated down the emergency slides. 14 people taken to a nearby hospital with minor injuries. firefighters quickly putting out the flames. the passengers did spend the night in las vegas. it's not clear when they will be put on another flight. some of them, of course, might have to talk to investigators. the ntsb is setting up a team to look into how this all happened. alisyn? 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[ cheers and applause ] >> is that a preacher? is that a revival meeting? no, it's a public servant. that's the kentucky clerk, kim davis. the crowd supporting her. mike huckabee by her side, supporting her, saying he would take her place in jail. do i sound sarcastic? yes. here is why. what is the issue that is righteous in this situation? that is what we are here to discuss. is she in the right? let's discuss. host of the ben ferguson show, guess what his name is? ben ferguson and amy holmes. amy, not only are you an esteemed colleague in this business, you were once in the notary business, in the business, essentially of selling marriages to people who want to marry. what is your perspective on this? >> i'm not a person of faith but i was a person behind the counter as a note rare public. that job made think think that the divorce rate ought to be higher than it is with the hetero sexual couples. >> you told them all not to do it? >> as a public servant, it was my duty to certify marriage licenses despite my personal convictions or judgment about the people coming up to the counter. as a notary public, public official, that was my duty. >> you were a public official. this is what you were supposed to do. nowhere did you say, if you like it? >> no. believe me, there were couples that showed up that didn't know each other's middle names, didn't know birth dates, flirted with me. >> wasn't your job to judge? >> no. >> ben ferguson, even you said she shouldn't have gone to jail. she chose to go to jail. where is the high ground for her in this? >> well, look, here is a big thing. when she talks about religious freedom, she did not like her actual name being on a marriage license that went against her religious beliefs. that is, at the core, what she referred to as religious freedom. that's why ted cruz and mike huckabee are down there. it was extreme to throw her in jail for that. >> they didn't throw her in jail. >> she didn't walk up to jail and say hi, i'm here, i would like to be in jail for five days. >> the judge said you have several choices here, a, b, c, d. she chose d, which is go to jail, if you fail to comply. he did not impose it on her. >> ben, she also -- hold on, ben. >> hold on a second, hold on a second. let's be clear. when you give the options she was given, she said the other options went against her religious freedom. by default, jail was the option from the judge. they have allowed her to get out of jail. whether or not she will go back, okay, i supported you early on on this. if you go back to work, your name is no longer on the marriage license and you continue to refuse to give out marriage license, from her attorney's perspective, there's a good chance that scenario may happen and play out. that's when i say this has gone beyond your personal beliefs, this is a crew said. if you want to be a politically elected official, go run. the office she is in, in my opinion and most others is a nonpolitical position. yes, you are elected, but it's a service industry. >> ben, i couldn't agree with you more. she was a functionary. she had the weight of the state and government behind her. federal law legalize zed same-sex marriage across 50 states. it was her duty as a public servant to follow the law. let me give you hypotheticals. she's been married several times. what if she went to a counter where it was an orthodox marriage. i'm not able to verify your second and third marriage. what if they say my religious compels me to support polygamy. i'm going to give out the marriage license over and over again. >> that's the box here. >> kim davis had the option -- >> i'm not going to give a drivers license because women shouldn't drive. people believe that. you don't get to do that. >> she has a fourth option, which is to resign. she doesn't need to participate in this if it impinges on her religious ethics and morality. she can resign and advocate for traditional marriage, run for political office where she advocates for marriage. i admire kim davis for having the fortitude to go to jail, based on her religious faith. i also admire her if she was willing fo give up the 80 grand she's earning at taxpayer expense to not give out marriage licenses under the law. >> ben, amy, let's see what happens next. that will prove out where you are, ben, in terms of why she did this. i read the kentucky statute five times. i don't know how it falls under the level of a burden that requires accommodation. they gave it to her. because she's elected, you can't fire her. >> she didn't want her name on the licenses. >> that's her job. do another job. let's see what happens next. >> i feel like we will talk about it more, don't you? 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here to weigh in is errol lewis, if there is one. let's check to see if the audacity of it is impressive. he created a new airline flight for himself. >> that's right. that's the allegation. he was the chair of the port authority of new york and new jersey. they control the airports. the new one is what is at issue here. united controls the gates. they were looking for a lot of concessions. they were paying 75% more than across the river in new york. they were looking for concessions, lots and lots of beatings, asking for help and concessions. somewhere in one of those meetings, apparently the chairman said gee, it would be nice if you could reinstitute a flight from new jersey to columbia, south carolina, which nobody wants to take so that he could get to his vacation home. it was referred to in the port authority as the chairman's flight. it left on thursday and came back on monday. >> it was his private plane, but united was footing the bill. now the ceo of continental airlines stepped down. does this link back to chris christie? 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[ cheers and applause ] >> i'm obviously younger. >> you are younger. >> much better looking. >> policy, though. >> oh. i think my brother probably didn't control the republican congress spending. i think he should have brought the hammer down on the republicans when they were spending way too much. our brand is limited government. >> it's interesting, a bold choice for late night, your first guest is a presidential candidate. >> we have bernie sanders on the late show next week and joe biden, a possible candidate. what we are seeing from colbert is a mixing of fun and serious questions. you can imagine, they spent days or weeks planning the questions because they had the luxury of doing that. they came out so amped up. a writer said to me, it's like we were firing bullets into the sky all summer. they had nowhere to fire off. we'll see how long they can keep up the energy. >> i thought the bush thing was the best part of the show and tightly edited. more to say, they were cutting him off a couple times. i liked that a lot. i thought that was the real colbert there. >> who is the real colbert? >> he came out with the national anthem. he's going to be sincere. that's what it is. also, he's going to be broad. he's going to sing. he did single. >> going to be whacky, too. >> a joyful gesture. he's not a cynic or discontent. he's a different kind. >> he's going to have to find something specific. maybe it's what you saw with jeb. >> it's one show. i think he was, you know, trying to do so much in one show. the show is too blue. everything in the show is blue. >> not blue in humor, but actual color. >> he's an american. that's an american color. >> there will probably be a fair amount of the colbert nation to tune into to see their beloved guy. i think there was a certain amount of them that expected this colbert to be a polar opposite of the character they knew and loved. both are going to sort of see a bit of the guy they love. >> it's an important point. he has to be broadly appealing or prove he is a giant liberal at heart. he has to prove he's more than a niche cable host. he started doing that. he's got hundreds of episodes. >> you ♪ ♪ notice the first guest is a republican. the national anthem thing was a message. he's out there saying i'm going to be a broader guy, but facetious. he played with george clooney that way. >> how do you think he did with george? >> that's interesting. >> the idea he was friendly with jimmy fallon. we know about leno versus letterman. it's about showing you are friends and kind behind the scenes. >> i love they finished with a match up with his house band, very talented band they have. he's out there singing, too, which i thought was showing, you know, the range this man has. >> that is an important point. fallon came on his show. he wanted to say, it's not war, it's love. >> he's a producer. >> does that mean he's actively involved? >> he's got a job. get back to work. >> always a pleasure to have you back here. get a nap. get in on the conversation. what did you think. #newdaycnn or post on facebook.com/newday. got a lot to get to. let's start it off. >> i could have and should have done a better job. sorry. >> what do you think black lives matters is? >> i think it's simple, all lives matter. >> what ways do you politically differ from your brother george? >> there's bigger fish to fry here in terms of the issue of people understanding what faith in god really means. >> keep on pressing. don't let down. >> there's very little by ways of humanitarian aid. very little food or water. two high school football players for overnecessary roughness. announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning. hillary clinton apologizing for using that private e-mail server as secretary of state telling abc news she takes full responsibility for that decision. >> earlier in the week, a democratic front-runner insisted she had nothing to apologize for. clinton isn't the only presidential hopeful maybe iing >> let's start with jeff. what do you have for us this morning? >> how many ways do you say i'm sorry. hillary clinton trying to find out. going farther than she has before talking about the private e-mail account. until now, she's expressed regret. she stopped short of saying she was sorry for her actions. in an attempt to turn the page and move on from the controversy that shook her campaign, she is saying it directly to abc news. >> i know it was allowed. i should have used two accounts, one for personal, one for work related e-mails. that was a mistake, i'm sorry about that. i take responsibility. i'm trying to be as transparent adds i can. she tried to explain even more saying i know this is a complex story. i could have and should have done a better job answering questions earlier. now one part of this is to see more and hear more from clinton. she's given more interviews in the last week than the first five months of her presidential campaign. in that abc news interview with david, she grew emotional when asked about her mother who died in 2011. >> she told me every day, you have to get up and fight for what you believe in, no matter how hard it is. i think about her a lot. i miss her a lot. i wish she were here with me. i don't want to fight for just me. i can have a fine life without being president. i'm going to fight for people like my mother who need people in their corner. >> she's talking about her mother to help tell the story about her own biography. it's a reminder to voters to remind them she's a former first lady and part of a political dynasty. i was struck by she's not taking anything for granted. that is another sign her candidacy is in such a different place than a few months ago. >> good insight. thank you for the reporting. admissions from jeb bush and donald trump. bush called out his brother's fiscal. he did it on stephen colbert. trump went to fox news and said he would roll out the welcome mat for migrants escaping syria. remember, you want to set it up about what he said about immigrants in the past. let's get to athena jones live on capitol hill. >> good morning. this was an unexpected response from trump on the migrant crisis. he's always doing something else unusual today. he's pairing up with another republican candidate for a rally right here outside the capitol. meanwhile, jeb bush is trying to show his funny side and fiscal side on late night comedy. all this as the post labor day predebate push gets into full swing. >> governor jeb bush. >> reporter: governor jeb bush making a due bu on the late night show with stephen colbert. >> in what ways do you differ from your brother george. >> i'm younger, better looking. i think he should have brought the hammer down on the republicans. he didn't bring order or fiscal restraint. they call me veto coroloni in florida. >> later today, bush is said to unveil his tax reform plan during a speech in north carolina, laying out the details in a new op-ed in the wall street journal saying his tax overhaul will unleash 4% economic growth. >> having trouble sleeping at night? >> meanwhile, trump releasing a slam ad on tuesday, doubling down on the attacks that bush is low energy. >> too much energy? need low energy? >> they have an hsa in some companies. some companies don't. i think the norm ought to be -- >> jeb, for all your sleeping needs. >> reporter: trump planning to join forces with ted cruz protesting president obama's iran deal. in his own op-ed in usa today, trump blasts the deal, calling it, quote, amateur hour. a sentiment he echoed tuesday night on fox news. >> i will re-negotiate that deal and i will make it. that's what i do. that's what i do in life. >> reporter: trump weighing in on the european migrant crisis. >> i wonder where the people are coming from, exactly and do you have people from isis in that group? >> his response to the migrants welcomed in the u.s., a stark difference from his tough talk on migration. >> with what's happening, you have to. >> a very different response there. as for the rally, it's rare to see two rivals for the nomination pairing up for such an event. ben carson, the former brain surgeon who was surging in the polls alongside trump is facing questions about a carson/trump or trump/carson ticket. his response, all things are possible. >> interesting idea z. thanks for that. opponents of the iran deal are not going quietly. support is in place. the president has enough support that they may not get a vote. jim acosta has more for us this morning. jim? >> good morning. donald trump and ted cruz will fire up the conservative base but not able to stop the iran deal. the president has all the support he needs for the nuclear agreement. for good measure, the white house issued a veto threat against a gop and disapproval of the deal. on top of that, the remaining democrats have weighed in on a deal and all but joe manchin will support it. a procedural victory the white house is defending. here is what josh had to say about that. >> to express concerns about a tactic that he, himself, employed on countless occasions. >> reporter: now, as for the other battle brewing and the government shutdown that is looming, house gop leaders will begin listening threatening to shutdown the government. the white house is also toying with brinkmanship, insisting the president won't sign a budget to leave forced budget cuts in place. three weeks to work something out. that is a long time in washington. we'll see how it goes. >> jim, see you soon. meanwhile, a poll shows vice president, joe biden's support growing while hillary clinton's lead shrinks. could support give him the motivation to get into the race? let's ask long time supporter of joe biden and the south carolina state representative, james smith. thank you so much for being here. why does south carolina love joe biden so much? >> well, because he's joe biden. the long standing roots and connections he has with our state. i think people in south carolina appreciate leaders who are genuine, who have a strerngt and charact character. he's had a lifetime of service serving the state and our nation. >> do you believe there is some strategy by which the vice president could skip emphasizing on iowa and new hampshire, focus solely on south carolina, parachute in late and get the nomination? >> well, i don't think that's the vice president's strategy. there's a lot of support for him in our state. you can see the organization, staff on the ground working every day. you have the long time mayor of charleston make a strong statement in support of the vice president. i don't think he's going to take for granted or skip any state. in south carolina, he can win. if he wins south carolina, i believe he will win the nomination. if he wins the nomination, he is our next president. >> let me look at the latest polls. this is from monmouth university from the beginning of september. it shows clinton at 42%. it shows joe biden at 22% and bernie sanders at 20%. that's within the margin of error of each other. what's significant is hillary clinton support slipped. joe biden's support has gone up. have you talked to the vice president about this? >> well, not about this specific poll. >> no, but his interest and weather or not he's going to get in? >> sure. it's a discussion we have had on a number of occasions. if they make the decision to run, there's support here for him. we are ready when they are ready. that's been our message. if you look at the polls, it gives encouragement and real concern about, ultimately, who is going to be able to win a general election when that time comes. >> let me play for you what hillary clinton just said about joe biden last night when she was asked what she thinks about him getting into the race. listen to this. >> well, i like joe biden a lot. i think he is a great vice president. if he gets into this election, lots of time to talk about what he wants to do. >> would he make a good -- >> i think he could be a good president, there's no doubt about that. >> i mean, how awkward would it be for these former colleagues and friends to be running against each other? >> well, i think, you know, the two of them are certainly both individual that is would be prepared to be president. i think it will be good for our party to have that debate between the two of them. it would be good, ultimately, i think, for the election and the electoral process. there's a lot of mutual respect between, you know, the vice president and the former secretary. they have certainly worked together on some very important issues facing our nation. i think that would be a debate that voters would like to see. hillary clinton, as you know, apologized for the first time for using the private server. let me play that as well. >> i know it was allowed. i should have used two accounts, one for personal, one for work related e-mails. that was a mistake. i'm sorry about that. i take responsibility. i'm trying to be as transparent as i can. >> do you think that now puts the e-mail question to rest or do you think this is still an opening for joe biden to get in? the e-mail controversy has nothing to do with the vice president running. it's given him time, there's no pressure to make a decision. this apology, if you will, is an acknowledgement that this issue is hurting. it's hurting her electability and causing some doubt in the minds of democrats whether or not she can go the distance. look, i think, if the vice president decides to run, it's based upon his own belief he is in position to help our country, move forward and face the challenges we all have today. >> south carolina state rep, james smith, thank you for being on "new day." remember, one week from today, watch the cnn republican debate, wednesday, september 16th at 6:00 and 8:00 p.m. eastern. tomorrow, we will know for sure who exactly will be on that stage. chris? republican presidential candidate, mike huckabee is celebrating the release of kentucky clerk kim davis. he walked by her side as she left jail. her release comes with a warning, don't interfere with the issuing of same-sex marriage licenses. we have martin savidge following developments in kentucky. what do you see, martin? for most of us, we worry it's the boss watching. there are a lot of people watching to see if she shows up for work. the real question is, what is she going to do when she gets here? yesterday's events were a surprise to everybody. most surprising, kim davis herself. you can tell that when she stepped out of that detention center, faced that massiv crowd and got the reception she did where she was treated like a hero. take a listen. >> i just want to give god the glory. his people have rallied. you are a strong people! we serve a living god who knows where each and every one of us is at. just keep on pressing. >> reporter: she did not say what she intends to do now. the judge put this order upon her, she cannot interfere in any way of these marriage licenses. her attorneys are insinuating that attitude has not changed and implied when she comes back to work, we may go through it all over again. one more thing to point out is, it may not be spiraling beyond kim davis. kim davis in the minds of christian conservatives is not just a name. she's become a cause. you heard yesterday, many people saying don't just stand-up with kim davis, stand-up like kim davis. that suggests this kind of action could spread across the country in other ways. >> very interesting to see whether or not they see if their public servants can put their belief on everybody else. we'll see what other public servants do. somebody who was a public servant and wants to be is gop presidential candidate mike huckabee. he's going to join us here live, coming up at 8:00 a.m. eastern. the ntsb is investigating what parked that fire on a british airways plane on the runway in las vegas. it happened shortly before the plane took off for london tuesday. look at that. the thick smoke is pouring from the aircraft. 172 people on board were evacuated using emergency slides. 13 people suffered mi yor injuries. faa spokesman says the left engine caught on fire. two texas high school football players may face criminal charges over the brutal vid you you have seen. highlight the ref, boom, one, then two. obviously come right at the ref. why did they target the referee with the hit and the second guy dove on him helmet first. here is the new claim. the ref directed racial slurs at their team t. ref tells a different story. let's get ed live in dallas. ed, what's the story. >> reporter: football comes with intensity. clearly the video cross zed a dangerous line. under the friday night lights of texas, this game ends with a stunning shot. this player spears the ref in the back, then another strikes. >> the incident is shameful to us and deeply troubling to all of us, who, for many years have been associated with athletics and extracurricular activities. >> reporter: the video was so shocking, they are considering filing assault charges against the two players. both have been suspended from school. the jarring video doesn't appear to tell the whole story. officials say some players were not happy about the officiating throughout the game. it's possible an assistant coach might have influenced the player's behavior telling some players the refs should pay for cheating us. he's been put on administrative leave. >> emotions got the best of him, based on his opinion on officiating and alleged comments. that's what's difficult for us. that's not what we are about. >> reporter: the two players, a sophomore and seen yar said the ref said racial slurs during the game. the umpire is robert watts. he told texashighschoolfootball.com i like to keep it quiet. slander committed against me. i will contact the appropriate people soon. any statement will come from me at a later date. >> a lot of questions remain on what will happen with the students. they could be expelled, suspended and the governing body that oversees athletics is going to have a meeting to see what to do next. everything is up in the air. one thing school officials said yesterday, they will not cancel the teams season. alisyn? >> thanks for that background. glad they are not going to see that happen. there's almost no excuse for seeing that kind of action purposely against that one. >> they are just kids. there are going to be criminal charges in the case. this is outside the bounds of the game. even if it's true, they are still wrong. it's a no brainer. when you are working with kids you have to be an adult. this is not going away, this story. we are going to have more on the players accused of targeting a defenseless referee. should the students be charged or is this part of the game. what do you do about it? we are going to talk about the video and what can happen during and outside the rem of the game. frds so...last drop of gogurt, where ya living now? a tube check this place out. so come on out, sign the papers, and this little gem, it's all yours gogurt. whatever it takes to get it all. before i had the shooting, burning, pins-and-needles of these feet...e pain, ...served my country... ...carried the weight of a family... ...and walked a daughter down the aisle. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor and he prescribed lyrica. nerve damage from diabetes causes diabetic nerve pain. lyrica is fda-approved to treat this pain. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new, or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs and feet. don't drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don't drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. now i have less diabetic nerve pain. and my biggest reason to walk... ...calls me grandpa. ask your doctor about lyrica. i brought in some protein to help rearrange the fridge and get us energized! i'm new ensure active high protein. i help you recharge with nutritious energy and strength to keep you active. come on pear, it's only a half gallon. i'll take that. yeeeeeah! new ensure active high protein. 16 grams of protein and 23 vitamins and minerals. all in 160 calories. ensure. take life in. boy: once upon a time, there was a nice house that lived with a family. one day, it started to rain and rain. water got inside and ruined everybody's everythings. the house thought she let the family down. but the family just didn't think a flood could ever happen. the reality is, floods do happen. protect what matters. get flood insurance. visit floodsmart.gov/flood to learn more. so, here is the situation. two texas high school football players could face criminal charges for allegedly targeting a ref they claim, now, that he used racial slurs against them. let's take a look at the video. shows it ref highlighted. he's reffing the game, that's what he's doing. on the snap of a ball, one safety, then another safety come over. one blindsides him, the other dives on him. the ref is saying it's liable. it's not true. let's talk with a former nfl rep and supervisor. he's now a rules analyst. i am a big fan. i have you in here to be objective about this. first, have you ever seen anything like this before? >> chris, in over 45 years of my officiating experience, never. never have i seen anything as what occurred last weekend at this football game, ever. >> it is a violent game at every level. i played it my whole life, there's no question about that. however, do you believe actions such as these, taken by high schoolers deserve the consideration of criminal behavior? >> absolutely. as an official, you work the game and you expect to be bumped, hit once in a while during the game. but, you never expect to be blind sided by players that target you for something that, you know, for some reason. it's not possible that they should not be charged with something like this. >> you don't think their age exempts them? their coach may be encouraging them to take retaliation exempts them? >> i think they need to take responsibility for what they did. you know, whether the coach -- now if the coach precipitated this by telling the players, we need to get even with this official for cheating us, then i believe the coach needs to be punished severely. the players did this and they need to accept responsibility for what they did. >> if they find out that the coach somehow had a hand in this, because it's almost impossible to believe they came up with a plan, they had to know, playing in a big place like texas, it was all going to be on video. it's a naked hit. there's no subtlety to it. if somebody put them up to it, should that person face criminal charges? >> chris, i believe so because, again, this is something that had this occurred out on the streets, would criminal charges be brought up against these individuals? you know, there's no difference. on the football field or athletic facility, you expect to be protected. there are issue that is are going to occur during a game. you never expect to be blindsided as this official was. >> i'm going light on the allegation of players, not because it's outside the realm of fairness. we don't have proof that should have elicited response even the actions they took. even if they did, the actions wouldn't have been justified. le's talk about the culture of the game. is something going on here in the culture of the game? is there an increase in aggression with players, against themselves, against the referees? is this the window into that? >> not necessarily. it's a violent game and the players are very aggressive out there. but you see a lot of instances that go on during the game. very seldom, you know, is it taken to this level. you just don't expect an official to be attacked in this type of situation. this isn't europe where they play soccer and go after the officials in the game. this is the united states. this is something i have never, ever seen in my years of officiating. >> thank you for giving us your take on this. we will follow the case through to the end and have you back if it takes a twist. thank you, appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. the white house may have secured enough votes to make the iran deal safe. the republican opponents plan to have their say. we are going to speak to the head of the homeland security, ahead. so you're a small business expert from at&t? 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>> yes. wow. thanks. president obama has now secured 41 senate votes in support of the iran nuclear deal, just enough to preserve the agreement. the battle continues, gop presidential candidates donald trump and ted cruz will hold a rally against it and hillary clinton will give a speech in support of it. michael is chairman of the house homeland committee and serves on the foreign affairs committee. thank you for being here on "new day." >> good morning, thanks for having me. >> you call the iran deal a dangerous agreement. the administration says it's the opposite. this is the only way to monitor and have oversight of what iran is up to for the next ten years. >> you know, i chaired a meeting and we heard from rudy giuliani who knows this issue better than most. i think the concern is to allow them to go forward under the nuclear program under the guise is a poor decision. hundreds of billions of dollars in sanctions, which will go to the largest state sponsored terror. they have killed americans on the battlefield. i'm concerned what it means for the american people, not to mention, it does nothing to entertain the intercontinental missile designed to hit the united states. >> the administration doesn't disagree with any of that. they know iran has been a bad actor. this is the deal that finally allows oversight for inspectors, the iaea to get in there and that makes it safer. >> inspections that don't include military sites, deals with the iaea that we don't know what is in them that allows them to self-inspect. the 24 hour to 24 day notice. i understand he's got the votes. had a vigious debate. >> the votes are beyond the point. this is about having consensus, which is something congress fought hard for, they should have a roll. first of all t white house will take exception to many of the things you are saying. i'm sure you are hearing it from your brothers and sisters on the left of the aisle and the white house. you said it's naive to think it's a good deal? isn't it naive to think there is a better deal or better alternative to the deal? if so, what is it? >> many on the other side of the aisle oppose it. particularly senator schumer came out against it. all along, we passed these sanctions to bring them to the table and dismantle their program. that is not done here. we believe suffer sanctions can bring forth a better deal. >> your partners do not, right? that's one of the thing that is get left out. we hear from the secretary of state, colin powell, of your party. your partners were not. those partners, china, russia, india, want trade, don't want sanctions. we are going to go around them. do you ignore that in your analysis? if so, why? >> i agree with the prime minister of israel when i met with him in may, we can get a better deal at the table. i don't think it's a good deal. it's a dangerous deal. >> what is better than this? what is giving you some access to a process that was, as colin powell says, on a superhighway. they were on a superhighway to getting a nuclear weapon. >> the sanctions were working. they were on the table, they looked at some of them. they were working. the better thing is, look, if you want a peaceful energy program, we will provide it to you, but take away your ability to do that. if you allow them to go forward with the program, it guarantees by the end of ten years, you have a nuclear one. the neighbors in the region do not support this, particularly saudis. >> the critic sanctions weren't working in terms of keeping them from centrifuges. they were able to do a lot toward their goal, if it was a nuclear weapon even with sanctions. as chris said, the allies weren't going along with sanctions anymore. >> outside the united states, there's much more proximity on this, if anything. >> those who want to make money off iran, yeah, they do support that. i have been in europe and seen that. it's interesting how the partners in the region, particularly whether it's the saudis. all the neighbors in the region are opposed to the deal. they think, and they have told me personally, they think it will spark a nuclear arms race. if iran can go forward with the pathway for a bomb, the saudis want it as well. the turks will want their bomb. the egyptians theirs. it has a cascading effect there that will be a dangerous proposition. >> kangman, you mentioned the hearing you held at the 9/11 memorial about the lessons learned. what is the take away? >> well, we heard from the heroes, major giuliani, the firefighters about taking the city that you are in now from the ashes, out of the ashes to bring americans together. we'll never forget that day. we don't want it to happen again, either. we talked about the new challenges in front of us, how this threat evolved since 9/11 from bin laden, you know, couriers to now a new generation of terrorist that is use the internet in a savvy way to radicalize individuals in the united states who don't have to travel to syria and iraq and come back here. i think that is the fourth of july plot, all those plots were through individuals in syria, sending directives over the internet. that's the new kind of warfare, new kind of terrorism that we have. it's very hard -- it's a very difficult challenge for law enforcement, fbi and homeland to stop. >> it is. thank you for sharing your thoughts. >> let's get to michaela. a sobering story, a pastor, husband, father, committed suicide after hackers reveal he signed on ashley madison. ahead, an exclusive, emotional interview with his family, who wants to share a powerful message with you. hey, what's up? 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[ applause ]. >> i'm obviously younger. much better looking. >> zeroing in on his self-touted forte, the budget. >> i think he should have brought the hammer down on the republicans when they were spending way too much. they call me vito corlione in florida. >> during a speech in north carolina he laid out the details in a new op ed in the "wall street journal" saying his tax overhaul will unleash 4% economic growth. meanwhile, trump releasing another slam ad on instagram on tuesday, doubling down on attacks that jeb bush is, quote, low energy. too much energy? need some low energy? >> they have an hsa in some companies. some companies don't. >> jeb, for all your sleeping needs. >> trump also planning to join forces with ted cruz later today, protesting president obama's iran deal. in his own op ed in usa today trump blasts the deal, calling it, quote, amateur hour. a sentiment he echoed on tuesday night on fox news. >> i will renegotiate that deal. that's what i do in life. >> trump also weighing in on the european migrant crisis. >> i wonder, you know, where all these people are coming from exactly and do you have people from isis in that group. >> his response to the possibility of these migrants being welcomed in the u.s. a stark difference from his tough talk on immigration. >> i hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis with what's happening, you have to. >> and as former brain surgeon ben carson continues to surge in the polls, he's now confronted with questions about joining a potential trump ticket. >> will you name donald trump as your vice president? >> um, all things are possible. >> will you serve as his vice president? >> all things are possible. >> it really does seem like all things are possible in this election season. and as for that rally trump is having with ted cruz later today, it's rare to see rivals for the party's nomination join together for such an event. it should be interesting and we'll certainly be watching. >> we have certainly seen a lot of things we haven't seen before and probably will continue for the next year or so. kentucky clerk kim davis is free this morning. davis walked out of jail tuesday with gop candidate mike huckabee by her side. we're going to speak with huckabee in a moment. first martin savage brings us all the latest. >> reporter: the roan county courthouse has just reopened. davis is not inside. i just had a communication from one of her attorneys and he says, quote, she is taking a day of rest today to be with her family. so all of us staking out here looking for her are going to be disappointed today. at some point she might show up, but right now the attorneys say she isn't going to be here. and for a number of reasons. one, she probably legitimately does need some rest. and two, there is probably some strategizing. listen to what she had to say. >> i just want to give god the glory. his people have rallied and you are a strong people. we serve a living god who knows exactly where each and every one of us is at. just keep on pressing. >> reporter: and that was definitely a crowd that is very much in kim davis's corner. they support her. they believe she is standing up for religious freedom. the question now is will she go back to work? and if she does, will she go against what the judge said she could do. and that is she cannot not issue marriage licenses to same sex couples. stay tuned. >> stay tuned for this minute, because we are about to try to find out what's next as we bring in former arkansas governor mike huckabee. good morning, governor. >> hi. great to be with you today. >> great to see you. yesterday was quite a moment yesterday with you there on stage with kim davis as she was just released. now we understand she won't be going to work today. but this week while she was in jail, her offense, the county clerk's office did begin issuing those same-sex marriage licenses. so when she returns to work, do those marriage licenses continue to be issued? >> that's a question her attorney and kim will have to answer. but yesterday let me say that the law enforcement people said there were 5,000 people there. traffic was blocked for miles around. this ignited for a lot of people around the country a real concern that kim davis was being forced not only to do something against her conscience but really forced to do something against the law that she was elected under. and the only law that is in front of her as a county clerk related to marriage licenses. it's a much bigger issue. >> i want to stop you there. because the law has changed since she took her oath to uphold the constitution, the law changed. and that happens from time to time. >> where in the constitution did it change? >> when the supreme court -- >> what statute can you quote for me? >> when the supreme court decided that gay marriage down law of the land and that it was discriminatory not to allow it, that's what changed. >> but the supreme court can't make law. they interpreted law. but the supreme court can't make it. only congress can make law. another thing i think we sometimes miss is the supreme court can be wrong. the dread scott decision of 1857 said that black people weren't fully human. i don't think anybody would like to go back and say that's the law of the land. it's never been repealed. but it was soundly ignored. there's a basic understanding of what it means to follow the constitution. the constitution says three branches of government are equal. the issue isn't even marriage licenses. it's whether or not we live under judicial tyranny. whether we have a country that capitulates to one of the three branches of government and subjugates the other two to servitude. >> the governor of kentucky says that now gay marriage is the law of the state and it's the law of the land. >> but it isn't the law of the state. the state law of kentucky in their kons tupconstitution said marriage is one man, one woman. kentucky hasn't done a thing to change the law. the supreme court said their law wasn't valid. but the people of kentucky haven't implemented that. and even the fact that kim davis was put in jail because she was following the under which she was elected. she asked the question and i think it's the right one, cite for me which statute in the kentucky law, cite for me which article in the constitution or which statute in the federal law thor authorizes her to scratch out that marriage form and make something completely different. >> let me ask you about a parallel case. at the same time this whole thing with kim davis has been playing out in kentucky, there's another case playing out in the media. and that is of a muslim flight attendant who was suspended from her job because she was not comfortable serving alcohol to passengers. does that flight attendant have the right to deny all the passengers on that plane who don't share her religion alcohol? >> historically we have made accommodations for people with religious convictions. i think most notably i saw it personally when i visited gitmo. and i watched terrorists who were being detained at gitmo, there were signs painted on the floor that directed them to mecca. we gave them prayer rugs and provided expensive meals that cost three times the meals of the soldiers guarding them. >> so it is okay for a flight attendant who is against drinking alcohol to not serve it on passengers aboard a commercial flight who did want to have a drink? >> i think accommodations are made when they can. but in this case there was no attempt to make accommodations. the governor could have done that in kentucky. what he ought to do is call his legislature and let the elected representatives of kentucky vote for that. >> he said he didn't want to spend the hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money to call the legislature back into session. if she couldn't fulfill her duties that she had taken an oath to do, she could have taken a different job. >> how convenient for him to suggest that she elected to the people give up a job for which she was elected. and when she was elected kentucky law was expressly clear that marriage was one man, one woman. the governor could have made an accommodation by simply saying that the courthouse and the county clerk doesn't have to have her name on the certificate or that marriage licenses could be done online. there are a number of ways. but he chose not to do that. instead, what is really outrageous, this isn't just about someone not being accommodated. let's not forget we're talking about a woman who was sent to jail for this, to jail, without bail. that is an unprecedented watershed moment in american when an elected official, a democrat, by the way -- i think it's important to note this was not some republican right wing person. this was a democrat elected by the people and sent tobeliefs. >> she chose to go to jail other either issuing the marriage licenses or resigning. so now what happens on monday when she goes back to work? i know you've spoken to her. what he 's her plan? will she allow the clerks in the office to issue the marriage licenses even if they do have her signature on the marriage license? >> i don't know exactly what she'll do. but she's made it very clear that she does not plan to violate her conconscience. she's not going to surrender and give up her first amendment rights. nothing in the constitution says there's any federal interest in marriage. but there's absolutely an interest in protecting people's right to religious liberty. this goes to the heart of the separation of powers, checks and balances and whether or not a court can just make up a law out of thin air. there are many issues. the one thing that i think we ought to agree on is that you shouldn't be putting people like kim davis in jail for heaven sakes. what's going to happen next? where does this end when you have this level of out right discrimination and persecution for someone who genuinely believes in her heart the difference between marriage and something that the supreme court has created. >> governor, it seems le s like is an issue that might come up a week from tonight at the cnn debate. what are you expecting that night? >> you know better than me. i'll be at the debate. i hope it will come up. i truly do. of all the things we talk about, if we lose our constitutional form of government with separation of powers, clear lines of the authority, the founders, i believe were brilliant. they knew the frailty of man. they knew if you let too much power get in one branch of government within one group of people, it would be disastrous. i think the most important issue in the presidential election is what do we believe the constitution teaches about the separation of powers, the distribution of power? i hope it comes up. >> i predict it will. governor huckabee we look forward to seeing you out there a week from tonight. thank you so much. the european union is unveiling a new plan to help a flood of refugees. they're proposing quotas to provide shelter to thousands of migrants. australia just announced it will take in 12,000 more refugees from syria and iraq. so imagine being on a plane ready for takeoff when all of a sudden fire breaks out. this happened to more than 100 people on this british airways flight. cnn's dan simon is with us now. what caused this, dan? >> reporter: first of all, the plane caught fire as it began accelerating down the runway. this was the left engine that caught fire. as you can imagine you had passengers scrambling for safety, some of whom were injured as they went down the emergency slide. a terrifying image of the las vegas airport as thick black smoke could be seen pouring out of the boeing 777 just moments after the pilots aborted takeoff. witnesses described a frantic situation. >> tremendous explosion from behind. >> reporter: the establish airways flight 2276 bound for london tuesday afternoon with 159 passengers and 13 crew members on board. you could see many running from the burning aircraft. authorities determinie ining it the left engine that caught fire. >> i just heard a big thud. i opened up the cover of my window and saw flames on the engine. we suddenly stopped and sat still for about a minute just waiting to hear what to do . >> reporter: the pilots showing their professionalism as the situation unfolds. >> may day, may day. >> heavy fire services are on the way. >> reporter: 14 people were taken to a nearby hospital, thankfully with only minor injuries. fire crews racing to the scene in minutes and quickly putting out the flames. well, the passengers did spend the night in las vegas. the airline putting them up at a hotel. no word yet when they'll be able to get on another flight. some of them might need to be questioned by investigators. the ntsb is sending a team down to try to determine what happened. stephen colbert making a claim on the smart funny space on his debut, bringing jokes at the expense of the 2016 presidential contenders. gop front runner donald trump a target. watch as colbert mocks the brash billionaire. >> what's more complicated is building a building that's 95 stories tall. >> yes, a border wall could not be simpler. just build a 95 story building, knock it over 10,000 times. 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he also made a controversial statement about the black lives matter movement. let's get something to weigh in on all of this who know mr. trump very well on his positions. the vice president of the trump organization. michael cohen. the criticism, one criticism of donald trump is, you know, the way you talk about the blacks, the way you talk about the hispanics and immigrants, you cannot win those votes. you're saying polls show otherwise. >> they sure do. there's a new poll that came out that shows mr. trump substantially ahead of any other republican ever. 31% with the hispanic vote. we've been saying this going back to the july 17th event where mr. trump announced his candidacy. this is about illegal immigration. >> something else that we've seen in polls while they do say he's ahead, there's a large part, maybe more than 50% of his own party that says trump is not the guy i want as a candidate. how does he move from where he is into the realm of the moderate republicans and then the independents, as many of our viewers are. >> mr. trump is going to be mr. trump. he's going to say what's on his mind and he's going to back it up. again, the polls show that he's correct. he signed this pledge that in all fairness they never should have had anybody sign the pledge. >> to not run as a third party. >> that is correct. >> why did he do that? >> because it was right for the party. they told him they were going to play fair and he's taking them at their word. >> what if they don't? >> i believe that they will. i believe that mr. trump will end up being the republican nominee. i believe that the support by the american people will force the rnc and others within which to back him. that's part of the pledge. and supposedly, even though i didn't see anybody else -- i mean, mr. trump had a massive press conference. nobody else knows if anybody else even signed it, though i was told that they did, that they agreed to support whoever the republican candidate is. and it's going to be mr. trump and we're going to expect their support. >> a pledge is nonbinding contract. he could break it. is there a chance he could break it? >> mr. trump keeps his word. i would say there's pretty close to a zero chance. >> you lawyers, michael cohen. you're saying close to zero. you're keeping a little window. >> nothing is 100% certain. i can tell you mr. trump never breaks his word. >> the iran deal today, why is he having an event where he wants to talk about iran in a productive way. it seems like he's catering to a perspective. >> i don't think he's catering to anybody. they asked to come to the event and he ree's not going to turn anybody away. mr. trump is a deal-maker. let's be honest. we talk about this in every show. >> written books about it. >> art of the deal, right? the iran deal as mr. trump as said is probably the worst deal in the history of this world. and it's one that i believe we're going to regret many years from now. >> but you know that the global consensus, certainly in europe and beyond, is that this was better than no deal. nobody's ever happy when you make a deal with someone who's not your ally. you had russia, china, india saying we're not for these sanctions going forward. we want the commercial opportunities here. it's easy to say i could do better, but all the people at the table, including the iranians said we had to give up things we didn't want to give, but it's better than no deal. >> what did they give up? >> there is monitoring. they have to reduce their stores. >> and we're supposed to believe them because they've been so honest in the past? >> but you had nothing in the past. >> i don't think we're going to have anything either right now. that's the sad part. when you have the ayatollah turn around 25 years from now and say israel will be wiped off this planet. you have to be true to your allies. you can't just turn around and take a foreign country that we really have not had great relations with and put them ahead of those that we have. it just doesn't make sense. that's mr. trump's point. he's the greatest deal-maker on the planet. this is a lousy deal. when he wins the president, he'll change this deal. he will renegotiate this deal. >> you talked at the situation with migrants. here he wants to find all the illegals to and get rid of them. but now he say this is humanitarian crisis, we've got to do something here. it's terrible. >> one could turn around and say one is an immediate humanitarian need. the other are individuals who are seeking to come to the united states improperly. they're seeking to just walk through a border and call this place home. >> a window into the fact this is a little bit more of a complex issue than maybe he laid it out as first, that it's not as easy as saying all or none. >> i don't think we really know the extent of the problem. and only until mr. trump becomes the president and gets into the white house wrehere he can lookt the deal and understand the deal and revise the deal in order to make it work. that's what he does and that's what he does best. so "new day" tomorrow 7:00 hour, donald trump joins us live. he says he wants to explain how he is going to put proposals into business. and he wants to discuss his issues directly to you. we invited hillary. we invited jeb bush. trump is the one who said yes. violent crime is rising in new york as police and their use of stop and frisk. the mayor says those two facts simply aren't related. we get him to explain live ahead. it's so shiny. i know, mommy, but it's time to let the new kitchen get some sleep. ♪ if you want beautiful results, you know where to go. angie's list. everyone can shop for services from highly rated companies, even without a membership. but as a member, you can save more. and you get exclusive access to ratings and reviews. angie's list is there... for all your projects - big and small. pretty! come see what the new angie's list can do for you. what did iran's supreme leader get in the nuclear deal? 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>> those homicide more likely than not are young men of color. that's who we see being killed in the city. i wouldn't dismiss it. murders are up from what they were last year. shootings are up from 2013. crimes of violence, those with the ones that count. i think the whole notion of stop, question and frisk is somehow illegal is simply wrong. it's been around since the common law was developed. it's codified in every state in the union. >> the criticism was you guys were going to too many places where there were men of color and you were the picking them without proper selectivity. >> it was not proven to any extent in the lawsuit. the judge was removed from that case. the mayor had the opportunity to go forward with the appeal that mayor bloomberg started. he chose not to do it. he ran against the police department in 2013 in his campaign. now he's in love with the police department. >> he can't be at odds with the police. he's had his bad moments, no question about it, vis-a-vis the police perspective. a lot of people who put him into office say they like what he's doing. in that case, the judge said these practices are inproep inappropriate. the city appealed. the mayor didn't want to carry that appeal because he agreed with the decision. you're saying that was a mistake? >> i think it was a mistake. i think overtime it will be shown. i think it's a valuable tool that cops should have all over america. i think you see the ferguson effect kicking in here and throughout other cities in america. there was an article last week where 30 cities are experiencing increased murder rates across the country. >> what's that mean ferguson effect? >> police are more hesitant to engage. it's now changed somewhat. the police are not doing the sort of energetic enforcement that helped reduce crime and save lives throughout america. >> aren't we seeking a middle where they're confident in what they do and protected in what they do but they're not overzealous? >> absolutely. we've seen the pendulum swinging too far, at least right now. >> vigilance, beautiful word. how do you apply it? what does this book mean to everybody else? >> vigilance is something we all have to engage in certainly in the post 9/11 world. a lot of the grievances that are being fought over go back 1400 years, so it's not going to change in the short-term. this book is a memoir. i was born here in new york city. it talks about my childhood. talks about policing in the '70s. i was in the department for over 40 years. two terms as a police commissioner. i was in the marine corps in vietnam. i was in haiti. i was on the interpol board as vice president. i did a lot of things. boxing commissioner. >> that i remember. that was a very interesting point in your life. when you started the job to now, everybody changes, everybody grows. what do you think people can get in here that was the best thing that you've seen happen and the worst thing that you've seen happen? >> i think some of the messages in the book are that proactive policing saves lives. for instance, 9500 fewer murders in the bloomberg administration than the 12 years before. i think the proactive investigations in the area of terrorism save lives. >> proactive means get after people who are suspicious, not necessarily already engaged in criminal behavior. >> it means devoting resources to investigations certainly in the field of terrorism. new york was targeted 16 times during the bloomberg years. none of them came to fruition as a result of good work on the part of the federal government, nypd and sheer luck. the other message is that the mayor is the chief law enforcement officer of virtually any city or town. that's where the tone is set. that's where the message comes. and everyone else follows that tone. i think you see it here in new york. >> often a difficult position for the commissioner of the nypd to be in because often the feelings of the men and women in blue are different than the reckonings of politicians. >> absolutely. i certainly -- for me, we had tremendous support from mayor bloomberg. he was behind the commissioners, if you will. if you did your job well, he was going to be there for you. not sometimes, but all the time. so it changes with the mayors. >> ray kelly, "vigilance, my life serving america and protecting its empire city." i hope it does well. >> me too. a little girl raises a lot of cash this summer at a lemonade stand. but you won't believe what the money is for. that's the good stuff. it's next. the human foot has always been good at... it's unleashing great power. the is performance line just got a power boost. introducing the lexus is 200 turbo and is 300 awd v6. the is line has never been... more powerful. once driven, there's no going back. having a perfectly nice day, when out of nowhere a pick-up truck slams into your brand new car. one second it wasn't there and the next second...boom, you had your first accident. now you have to make your first claim. so you talk to your insurance company and...boom, you're blindsided for a second time. they won't give you enough money to replace your brand new car. don't those people know you're already shaken up? 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>> this is a beautiful example. thank you chloe and grandma. it's time for "newsroom" and carol costello. good morning. good morning. "newsroom" starts now. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we begin today with hillary clinton speaks out on the iran deal one day after finally apologizing for using a private server while she was secretary of state. these are life pive pictures fr walk. but also urged lawmakers to be, quote, clear-eyed about iran's behavior going forward. she tries to turn the page on the e-mail controversy that has over shadowed her campaign. jeff zeleny joins me now
do that. >> i will be doing jury duty on monday morning in new york city. >> in criminal or district court? >> i don't know. it's one of the courts. >> are you looking forward to it? >> yeah. i think it's fun. >> never mind trump has been summoned five times before and he hasn't shown up before for any of the summons. we are outside the courthouse where the donald could appear at any moment. >> that's right, carol. he has a $250 fine for missing the five summons were sent. the fine being voided if he shows up this morning. he should be coming up the stairs in a few minutes. he's said to be here by 9:00 this morning. why didn't he come the other five times? his attorney was on "new day" this morning giving an extrapolation suggeextr explanation suggesting there was confusion. >> it's unfortunate. the whole scenario is whacky. they claim they sent it to him on several different occasions -- >> he's a jury skipper. >> you have to serve it to the right property. they sent it to some property on central park south. i believe he owns the building but he doesn't reside there. nobody knows what happened to the document. >> bottom line donald trump does have the summons now. he's been summoned to appear at the supreme court here in lower manhattan in the civil division. we're told he will be treated as any other potential juror. the pool this morning about 700 people. they're called today and possibly tomorrow as well. then it's decided whether or not they are assigned to a case. so, carol, if he isn't assigned to a case he could be dismissed as early this morning or likely by sometime tomorrow afternoon. >> all right. we'll check back. alexandria field reporting live this morning. the republicans are languishing in donald trump's shadow. trump holds on to the commanding lead and significantly the top three candidates have something in demcommon. all are win ining support with shared message. rally against the political establishment. sara murray joins us with more. >> reporter: good morning. it looks like the first gop debate did cause something of a shake up in the field. that is good news for the candidates who are running against washington. now we also got a really big dose of retail politics this weekend in iowa. let's take a look. donald trump keeps soaring. landing at the top of a new folk news poll. getting support from one in four republican primary voters. trump isn't the only one climbing. rounding out the top tier of the anti-establishment crowd neuro surgeon ben carson drawing 12% support and texas senator ted cruz with 10%. losing ground jeb bush coming in fourth with 9% support. a 6 point drop from early august. now trump is offering more read meat for conservatives. a hard line immigration plan. saying on nbc's "meet the press" he even supports deporting children brought to the u.s. illegally. a step further than some of his gop rivals. >> you're going to split up families? chuck, no. we're going to keep the families together. we have to keep the families together. >> but keep them together out? >> they have to go. >> reporter: trump's six-page proposal calls for an end to birthright citizenship. a provision inenshrined in the constitution that grants citizenship to those born in the u.s. it puts stricter limits on legal immigration and pushes penalties on mexico if they refuse to fund a wall along the border. but for most of the weekend, a spotlight wasn't on policy but retail politics at the iowa state fair. >> yeah! >> reporter: jeb bush looking to boost his sagging poll numbers spent four hours there eating food and playing games. his super pac is pitching in spending $10 million on ads in the early states. as for trump, it was a cost claustrophobic chaotic spin through the fairgrounds complete with a ride for kids on the chopper. >> reporter: some groups are applauding it and immigration advocates are slamming. the big question is what do voters think? >> we'll talk about that in the next block of newsroom at 9:15 eastern time. in other news homeowners living near the site of the powerful explosions in northern china are demanding answers from their government. some want compensation. others are worried about lingering contamination. officials say the air and water are safe but they don't have a list of the chemicals store at the temporary warehouse that exploded violently. in the meantime anger grows so does the death toll from the blast. 114 people now confirmed dead. cnn has more for you. >> reporter: the closer we get to the blast site, the more it becomes clear how devastatingly powerful the explosions were. 20 people were sleeping in the dormitory for migrant workers. everything came tumbling down and everybody inside, we're told, made it out alive. incredibly without being seriously hurt. but we know there are many others who unfortunately are still in the hospital right now. 698 people being treated in hospitals. 114 now confirmed dead, at least. and 70 are still missing. the families of some of the people who live in this area are very angry. they've been protesting. we saw them outside of a government press conference earlier today demanding that the government buy back their homes. they want compensation because they say they lived too close to this now destroyed warehouse where a long list of toxic chemicals were being housed and they don't feel safe. >> the chemical stuff is all over. it was like a fire, you know, exploding everywhere. >> reporter: right now more than 2,000 troops are working alongside hundreds of bio chemocam experts. they're testing the air and the ground water and the sea water and the soil for the contamination from the disaster. chemicals are still strewed about everywhere. we discovered them here at the site. we notified the government and they sent in the fire department clean it up. it goes to show the full scale of this disaster and the environmental impact and the exact toxic chemicals are unknown as the chinese government promises a full criminal investigation amid growing public criticism and questions about how this could have happened. >> will ripley reporting this morning. indonesian searchers think they spotted the debris of the airliner that crashed yesterday. but bad weather forced hundreds of people to suspend search and rescue operations. the government released pictures where they think the plane went down and will continue searching as soon as they can. the plane was carrying 54 passengers. one million acres up in smoke. western states dealing with one of the worst fire seasons in years. a live report after a break. 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>> caller: well, it is a scene of pandemonium here. we were at the gate shortly after the blast. we were able to see six bodies covered with sheets, and the middle of the intersection here one of the busiest intersections in central bangkok, there are body parts strewn in the intersection. there are several charred motorcycles that were hit by the force of the blast. it came from inside the shrine. we did have one unnamed official here on the scene confirm to us that it was a bomb blast. they have not told us at the scene a total number of casualties. a number of people have been transported from the scene and were injured. we've seen at least six bodies. apparently as many as -- or more. and they are -- they keep pushing the cordoned area back and back. they're worried about a second blast going off. we saw in the intersection an old electronic circuit that police did seize as evidence. there is a bomb disposal unit on the scene in the full protection suit, and they're nervous. there are hundreds of rescue personnel on the scene. notion reporters there are also tourists milling about. there would have been dozens if not perhaps a hundred tourists inside that shrine when the blast went off. >> let's talk about that shrine. it's not often you hear a hindu shrine targeted. so did it have to do more with it being a tourist area or hinduism itself? >> caller: this shrine is popular with tourists, but right next to the grand hyatt hotel would have also been visiting there. there are usually dance performances going on. people come to make offerings, and we're stepping very carefully. we're being pushed back more. we have to be careful where we step because there are just parts that are covered with little pieces of paper all around the area. >> and just a final question for you, there was a military coup that ousted the civilian government in may of last year. were there incidents similar to this surrounding that? >> caller: after that occurred, that has been relatively peaceful. there have been minor incidents in the country. before the coup there were a number of small blasts that took place at common concentratidemot this is obviously something different. i don't want to speculate at this point as to who may have cost this. we have to be careful here. we're next to the police hospital and it looks like there's falling blasts right now. it is a very intense and still somewhat dangerous scene here. well over an hour after this occurred. >> steve herman, thank you very much for joining me this morning. i appreciate it. to recap in case you missed it. at least six people dead in bangkok, thailand. apparently some sort of bomb blast went off near a hin drew shri -- hindu shrine there. this is right at the tourist area. we're getting new video of the explosion. can we put it up? there it is. i'm seeing it -- oh, my goodness. you can see it was an intense bomb blast that went on. as you heard steve herman just reporting, there are body parts strewn in the area, and there's no telling how many people have died. but, again, this is in bangkok, thailand. some sort of powerful bomb blast near a hindu shrine. very popular with tourists. there's a five-star hotel nearby, and also, shops like burberry. this is a place where many tourists frequent. when we get more information, of course, we'll pass it along. wow. i'm going to take a break. we'll be back with more in "the news room." if your purse is starting to look more like a tissue box... you may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin®. because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. zyrtec®. muddle no more™ . ♪ (dorothy) toto, i've a feeling we're not in kansas anymore... 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one very popular with tourists it's a hindu shrine. some sort of huge bomb blast going on. we have video of the moment of impact. let's watch. oh, you can see that bright flash of light and cnn has confirmed at least five people died because of the blast. there may be many, many more casualties and many more dead. we had a reporter on the scene tell us there's body parts scattered around the scene. some of the pictures are so gruesome we cannot show them on television. this is a shrine well attended by tourists. a lot of people go-to-look at the shrine and to see it. it's a peaceful place usually. it's in the middle of a tourist area near a five-star hotel. there's many upscale shops around. also, the shrine, interestingly enough, is attended by many buddists. i don't know if it has anything to do with anything. i want to bring in bobby ghosh. your initial reaction to this. >> caller: well, the numbers from maximum damage and maximum -- this is equivalent of setting off a bomb in new york's times square. everyone close to bangkok goes to erawan. it's a beautiful templtemple. next to it is a renaissance hotel, there's a holiday inn. there are malls and shops nearby. this is a very, very heavily trafficked area. a bomb goes off at 7:00 in the evening, it is timed and placed for maximum damage. there's been reports police have found another bomb in another part of town. that, too, suggests they were looking to maximize both the visibility of what they're doing as well as the number of victims they could possibly kill. this is really hard to wrap my head around this. thailand is not the place for this kind of violence. there's an insurgency in some of thailand but that's localized. we haven't seen this scale of violence in bangkok or more generally in the country. >> it's hard to wrap your head around it's a hindu shrine. you don't hear many stories about hindu shrines or temples being targeted by terrorists. do you think it was more a targeting of the area not the temple? >> caller: i would have to get a better sense of where the bomb was. i understand it was generally placed in a motorcycle, but, yes, my initial instinct would be it -- it is a big terrorist -- beg your pardon a big tourist spot. there's a dense population of people around. 7:00 in the evening there would be a lot of people hanging out there enjoying the shops. i mean, thailand is mostly buddhist country. and my foreign tourists -- as a memb -- >> bobby hang on. we have new pictures coming. it. i want to explain what the new pictures are. these are pictures from hospitals around the area, and we do expect the number of casualties to rise, as i said. at least five confirmed dead now, bobby, but we've heard that body parts are scattered throughout the area and many, many people are injured. it's just truly heartbreaking because these people were visiting a temple, you know, number one and visiting a beautiful country in a beautiful city of bangkok. >> caller: yeah. and one that has very little track record of this kind of activity. southeast asia, in general, is a peaceful part of the world. and bangkok is, you know, celebrates itself being a place where people from around the world can come and enjoy lots of different activities, great food, loving, loving people very friendly to tourists in general. it's like putting a knife through the heart not only of bangkok but thailand or thai people. it is a big, big shock. >> oh, bobby bobby ghosh, thank you so much. we'll be right back. the challenges of keeping everyone working together can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at&t has the tools and the network you need, to make working as one easier than ever. virtually anywhere. leaving you free to focus on what matters most. everywhere you look, it strategy is now business strategy.? and a partnership with hp can help you accelerate down a path created by people, technology and ideas. to move your company from what it is 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donald trump reveals how he fights immigration if e electabilitied president. one of the top priorities to end birthright citizenship which allows children born in the united states to be granted citizenship even if their parents came here illegally. to do so would require a change in the u.s. constitution. here is how trump responded when he was pressed on the issue by nbc's chuck todd. >> we have to make a whole new set of standards and when people come in -- >> you're going split up families? you're going to deport children? >> no. we're going to keep the families together. >> you're going to keep them together out? >> they have to go. >> what if they have no place to go? >> we'll work with them. they have to go. we have a country or we don't have a country. >> among some of the other highlights make mexico pay for the border wall, deport criminal aliens, suspend new green card issue chances, and triple immigration agents along the border. mr. trump didn't say how he would pay for them. critics warn trump's plan is dangerous and would result in a police state. let's talk about that. welcome, tara. and rick wilson is with us, too. a republican strategies. so, tara, i want to start with you. trump's plan is it music to your ears? >> i definitely agree with the plan. of course, i do, of course as an american citizens, i have some questions about how -- of course, how are we going to fund it? but i also have faith that, you know, his policies everyone said he doesn't have any policies. we have no policies in place. so now he's rolling out his policies and especially on immigration. i do believe we have a huge problem with the border. we've got to get a border. up. we have to get a wall. if the mexican government is pushed to make it happen, we have a lot of illegal immigrants that come in the country they make american money and send back to mexico to support their families. that money is going back to mexico. so the money is there to make that happen. >> terra, are you for changing the constitution? >> i think we get into a slippery slope when we start changing the constitution. i do. birthright citizenship i'm not, you know, i don't necessarily think that -- i don't necessarily know i agree whole heartedly with changing the constitution. i don't. i'm still up in the air. it's definitely one of the things that it is definitely a slippery slope. >> at lot of people would agree with you. rick wilson, you have worked on behalf of conservative republican candidates dick cheney among them. what do you think about donald trump's plan? >> i think this plan represents a really strong dichotomy between limited government and status nationalism. i think there are a lot of details here that are going to be very, very popular among both the trump base and other people. no one is dismissing that immigration is an enormous problem. no one is dismissing we have a problem with sanctuary cities. there are a whole range of things wrong with the immigration system. i think trump promised things that will be difficult to deliver. the birthright citizens question is a large and meaningful redefinition of what it is to be an american. the second thing i think is problematic he's talking about deporting between 11 and 20 million people. in order to do that, you're going to have to build an a apparatus so intrusive into american life there are a lot of unintended consequences. >> explain that. i want you to get into that. you said trump's plan would create a police state. what do you mean by that? >> if you're going to deport up to 20 million people, he's talking about deporting them. they are being rounded up and shipped over the boarder. okay. no witness agrees if you're a criminal illegal you ought to be shipped back. that's in most every republican's plans. very few people are as direct about this as trump has been. i was saying he's going deport 20 million people. the people happiest are trump's most fanatical supporters and hillary clinton. because this is a sweeping and enormous expansion of police power at the federal level. he's talking about preempting local law enforcement, taking state and local law enforcement out of the picture and using it some sort of nonexistent federal force right now. talk about tripling the i.c.e. budget. you're going talk about deporting 20 million people, i mean, whether it's a great idea or not, if it's -- let's say all 20 million were illegal criminals, horrible people. trying to deport that many people is an enormous logistical question that we are not -- we have never grappled with something of that scope and scale. it's an expansion of government power i think like the tsa and obamacare and the department of homeland security it will grow and metastasize and become something people don't like at the end of the day. >> terra, what do you think? >> i really do -- i agree whole heartily with rick. i think a huge amount of infrastructure has to be put in place to make something of this -- i mean, it's huge. it's a huge plan. how do we make it happen? i think his heart, i think his mind is in the right place. i think a lot of people -- my question is how does this affect our economy? yes, a lot of illegal immigrants are in this country making money, but from america they send it back -- but they also do spend a lot of their money here in the united states. so economically how will it affect the united states of america? i really do -- i love the plan. i love the idea that, hey, let's get some of these illegal immigrants out of the country get them out of here. so maybe more whites who have not been able to acquire jobs, maybe they can get into jobs. some of the blacks -- >> so terra, just an added question for you. i get what you're saying, right. why didn't trump say every company that hires an illegal alien -- that's a terrible term. an illegal immigrant will be fined. we're going to come down hard on corporations who do that? why didn't he say that? >> you know, that's a very good question. i mean, i even ask myself that. the only thing i can think of he's a businessman. a big thinker. he's a company guy. instead of coming down on big companies, let's come down on, hey, let's put up a plan in place we can wrangle them up. and we do we do deport. this country has deported. i had a good friend of mine he was here illegally, unfortunately, but he got deported back to his country. he went back to south america. i think that's one of the big things. we're so focussed on the border between mexico and the united states, but we have a lot of illegal immigrants coming from south america making that trek. my friend, he did he went back to his home country and we do, we facebook each other and talk to each other. but right now he's on a ten-year waiting list. he has to pay fines and the fees. >> i have to stop you there. your satellite window is about to run out. you're going to disappear and i don't want that to seem like we did that on purpose. we haven't. terra, thank you very much. rick, button this up for us. you heard terra, she likes trump's plan but she's not totally sold on it. what does that mean for the presidential race? >> well, i think what you've got here is like a lot of other things about donald trump. there's a lot of anger and anxiety in the culture now. he's tapping into that. he doesn't feel the need to have a plan that is thought through or robust. it's a very emotional, very visceral reaction to the kind of things he says by people who believe they have been betrayed by the eefl establishment or what have you. they're looking for a sort of release, a sort of venting function with trump, and they're getting it in a plan like this that we -- when you lack at it and peel back the details economically and politically and in terms of the policy itself, you know, the details are a little shaky and the things are more complicated and more consequential than the send them all back and build the wall rhetoric that is 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problematic. the other two are strong oxid e oxidizers but not directly -- >> before you go on, sir, >> before you go on, what is sodium -- what did you say? sodium cyanide. >> the sodium cyanide and calcium car bide. >> what are they? what are they used for? >> okay. sodium cyanide is used industrially most often as an electroplating chemical, used in electroplating business to plate gold over zinc, things like that. it is extremely toxic, about a quarter of a teaspoon if you ingest it will kill you in about two minutes. carbon carbide is used to make plastics, some certain plastics, and it's water reactive, and when it reacts with water, you get a very flammable and very explosive gas. >> wow. okay. so the christian science monitor described the force of the blast best. it said the force of the initial blast equalled that of three tons of tnt. the second explosion was seven times stronger, the equivalent of 21 tons of explosives. the explosions were so large they were seen by satellites in space. so when chinese firefighters first arrived on the scene, they used water to try to put out the fire. did that make the explosions worse? >> it is entirely a plausible scenario, and obviously we need to be careful at this point, but it's a very plausible scenario to say, yes, they were not aware that it was present in the fire and, therefore, putting water on the fire with calcium carbide present would make it a bad situation. i should say we don't yet know what other chemicals were in that warehouse that also would become explosive under strong heating such as in a fire. >> do you think the air is safe to breathe in northern china? >> i don't know. i have never been there, but from what i read, you know, you don't want to be there for too long. let's put it that way. >> david leggett, thanks for your insight. i appreciate it. really scary. north korea is threatening an attack on u.s. soil. this is because of military drills in south korea. threatening military action over the war games is nothing new but some say this year's rhetoric seems particularly amped up. the state run korean central news agency warns, quote, if the united states want their mainland to be safe than the ulchi freedom guardian exercises should stop immediately. brian todd has been following all things north korean. what can you tell us about this? >> reporter: this morning a state department official has told us they were aware of this threat. this official stressed these exercises between the u.s. and south korea are defensive in nature, they are transparent and designed to increase the readiness of south korean forces in that region. threats are not new, as you mentioned, from kim jong-un when these exercises take place. the exercises take place every year. the u.s. and south korea are very transparent about them, but as far as -- there are a couple things we have to say this morning about this threat. number one, as far as north korea's threat to strike at the u.s. mainland is concerned, u.s. officials and all the weapons experts we talk to are pretty much on the same page about this. north korea does not have the capability right now to strike at the u.s. mainland with nuclear weapons or ballistic missiles or anything else. they're working on it but right now they don't have that capability. another thing that is concerning, carol, is that in these exercises there are 50,000 south korean troops participating. there are 30,000 american troops participating. if kim jong-un decides to provoke something, those troops could be at risk right there in the region right there where those exercises are taking place, and one very important thing to think about this morning, carol, very recently kim jong-un for the first time since he took power actually launched an attack outside of his own borders. north korean troops according to south korean officials crossed the demarcation line recently and planted land mines which badly injured two south korean 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continues to shine bright in our hearts, thoughts, and prayers. may she rest in peace. in south africa former olympian oscar pistorius could soon be released from prison. he's only served ten months of a five-year sentence for fatally shooting his girlfriend reeva steenkamp. it released he will spend the rest of his sentence under house arrest. steenkamp's family opposes the move says ten months behind bars for taking a life is not enough. for the first time ever, an active baseball player affiliated with a major league team has come out as gay. cnn's andy scholes joins us with more on milwaukee brewers prospect david denson. good morning, andy. >> good morning. david denson is a member of the brewers organization. he plays for a minor league team in helena, montana, and over the weekend he reached out to the milwaukee journal sentinel to announce he is, in fact, gay. in the past two years we have seen this in pretty much every major word. robbie rogers in major league soccer, jason collins in the nba, michael sam in the nfl and denson is the first active professional baseball player playing for a team affiliated with a major league club. now the way denson actually came out to his teammates is pretty unique. according to the sentinel, one of his teammates jokingly referred to him using a derogatory term for a gay male and denson responded with a smile saying, well, be careful what you say, you never know. denson then went on to make the announcement to everyone on the team, and denson said the outcome was amazing and that everyone was very supportive of him, and brewers superstar ryan braun recently talked about this. he applauded the move and added that a gay player would be accepted at the major league level. >> it's a courageous move on his part. it's never easy to be the first one, first active player to come out in a situation like that. it's definitely a big step for baseball, i think a big step for sports, and hopefully people judge him based on his ability and not his race, religion, ethnicity, or sexuality. >> throughout this process denson has had some help. he's been consulting with billy beane, who is a former major leaguer who came out as gay after his playing career, and last year bean was named major league baseball's first ambassador for inclusion. it's been a pretty tough protest for denson. at one point he said he was depressed about keeping this inside and it was really affecting his performance on the field. since revealing he is gay, he said it's a huge relief and now he can just go out and concentrate on playing baseball. >> a couple years ago i interviewed justin verlander and max scherzer on whether they would accept a gay player on their teams and both said they would be perfectly fine with it so that's great. >> it seems locker rooms these days are very accepting of this. >> i hope so. andy scholes reporting live. thanks so much. the next hour of cnn "newsroom" starts now. this is cnn breaking news. and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we begin this hour with breaking news out of bangkok, thailand. watch your screen. here it is. that's a blast ripping through central bangkok. this is a very popular tourist area. at least five people are dead. many more are injured. bomb crews are now scouring the area saying there may still be a bomb that has not yet detonated. with me on the phone is steve herman, the southeast asia bureau chief for the voice of america, and, steve, this is very much bangkok's times squ e square, right? >> reporter: that would be a fairly apt description accept in the heart of this times square is a religious shrine, a hindu shrine actually in this very buddhist country. nonetheless it's very popular with locals making offerings daily, and thousands and thousands of tourist, and it would obviously have been very crowded when this blast occurred, and there's no doubt from what i saw on the scene that this was an explosion and an official on the scene said it was a bomb blast, and now officials are more widely confirming at least one bomb blast at the erawan shrine. we saw six bodies covered with sheets inside of the shrine, one outside of the shrine. also an iron gate had bulged outward indicating that the blast had occurred within the shrine, and then right in front of where that bulge was in the date, there were three motorcycles in the road on the ground turned over, two of them charred. now, that i think was from the original blast, the blast spreading out. we have heard reports that there were other bombs, some reports of other bombs being defused. we have not had anyone on the scene tell us that. we do know they were very concerned about additional explosions because after we arrived, there -- when we arrived there was no perimeter set up. then they pushed us back, set up the tape and moved back seven or eight times while we were there and now no one is allowed to get within about 70 meters of the shrine, carol. >> all right. stay safe, stephen herman from the voice of america joining us live. thank you so much. back here in the states, the donald trump spectacle, same media circus, different stage. today he steps off the campaign trail and into the jury duty. he's soummoned to be on a new york city jury and he says he's eager to serve. >> i will be doing jury duty on monday morning in new york city. >> criminal court or district court? >> i don't know. it's one of the courts. >> are you looking forward to it? >> yeah, i'm looking forward to it. i think it's fine. >> jury duty is fun, isn't it? never mind trump has been summoned five times before and he hasn't shown up but he did this time alexandra field. >> reporter: he did, and he showed up in donald trump style. i think he was the only potential juror this morning who rolled up to the supreme court in lower manhattan in a black stretch limousine. it's now parked outside the court. it's the only real sign of special dispensation you could call it for the presidential candidate. otherwise court officers and officials tell us there will be no special treatment for donald trump. in fact, carol, we know that he was summoned to serve jury duty five times. he missed all five of those summonses. his attorney tried to explain it by saying in fact, donald trump had never received the summonses. >> it's unfortunate. that whole scenario is just wacky. they claim they had sent it to him on several different occasions -- >> he's a jury skipper. shirking his civic duty. >> you have to serve it to the right property. they sent it to some property on central park south. i believe he owns the building but he doesn't reside there and nobody knows what happened to the document. >> nevertheless, because of those five appearances that donald trump failed to show up for there, there is a $250 fine which will be waived because he did turn up here today, carol. he's one of 700 jurors who were called to appear for jury duty today. if he isn't assigned to a case today he could be called back tomorrow. at that point if he isn't assigned it's likely he will be released having completed his civic duties. >> we'll be anxiously awaiting to see whether he serves. alexandra field, thanks so much. reporting live this morning. donald trump may be stepping off the campaign trail, but his fellow republicans are still languishing in his shadow. the first national poll since the gop debate, trump holds onto his commanding lead, and significantly the top three candidates all have something in common. all of them are winning support with a shared message, railing against the political establishment. but will that kind of support last now that trump has unveiled details about his immigration plan? cnn political reporter sara murray joins us from washington with a closer look at that and more. good morning, sara. >> good morning, carol. yeah, when you take a look at this six-page immigration plan, it's areal a combination of some traditional republican ideas and a lot of things that are designed to appeal to far right conservatives. chief among them would be trump's plan to end birth right citizenship. that's something that's enshrined in the constitution and says if you are born in the u.s., you get to be an american citizen. he is looking to undo that. also in the plan, make mexico pay for the border wall, we've heard this before. he lays out the penalties of how he wants to make them do it. he wants to deport all the undocumented although his plan is really specific in saying he wants to deport criminal aliens and defund sanctuary cities. donald trump isn't just looking to kurp i wicurb illegal immigr he's also looking to restrict legal immigration. he wants to suspend issuing new green cards. now, that's a big deal because while the plan makes it seem like it's temporary, it does not say for how long you'd want to suspend that, and that's the main pipeline for legal immigration. he also wants to change admission standards for refugees. now, when you dig into this plan, there are a lot of things here that would be very difficult to accomplish, chief among them of course is birth right citizenship thing. republicans in congress have tried to do it before and they have gotten nowhere, but the other thing to point out is this could be a very expensive plan. when you're talking about building a border along -- or building a wall along the southern border with mexico, when you're talking about e verify for all workers, when you're talking about more customs and immigration enforcement agents and talking about rounding up and deporting all of the undocumented immigrants in the u.s., this is not a small price tag and it's definitely going to make it difficult if it were ever to come to congress, carol. >> all right, sara murray reporting live for us this morning. thank you. brace yourself for record heat again. i'm talking to you, boston, new york, philadelphia, d.c., and pittsburgh. soaring temperatures are also fueling wildfires out west and don't look for a break anytime soon. according to nasa global temperatures from january to may were the warmest five months ever. chad myers is here to tell us more. good morning, chad. >> good morning, carol. and very dry out west. hot and dry, those are the ingredients you need for a fire season. so far this year more than 10,000 square miles of land have burned. now, that's last year and this year together, but the season from 2015, from early to now, 10,000 square miles. that's the size of new jersey. >> reporter: out of control flames spreading, already burning over 1 million acres across eight states. a growing wildfire crisis fueled by erratic winds, lightning, and soaring temperatures. >> we are not out of the woods yet. >> reporter: over 100 large wildfires are burning uncontained. >> it's just awful. this is the worst in all my life. >> reporter: officials invoking the nation's highest fire alert level. >> it's really upsetting. you don't want to see anybody lose their homes. >> reporter: resources are stretched thin as thousands of firefighters are working overtime. some battling conditions exacerbated by california's historic drought. >> every resource that you can think of is on short demand in this country right now. >> reporter: over a thousand residents warned to flee the infernos. >> it's pretty unimaginable. there's no preparing for this. >> reporter: some barely escaping the flames. >> this whole ridge was on fire. that whole hillside there. this whole hillside was on fire last night. i was literally outrunning flames at 60 miles an hour. >> reporter: hundreds of homes and structures from california to washington left smoldering, reduced to ashes. >> it was pretty scary. i have never seen a storm, a firestorm like this travel this fast. >> reporter: in washington about 9,000 homes were without power as wildfires out chelan burned down utility poles. >> everything that can be done now is being done out there, and our first priority is protecting people and homes. >> carol, look at this. the temperatures here across the southwest today, vegas it's going to get to 111. in phoenix on friday it was 117. today a cool 111. farther up to the northwest where things are just as hot, we are going to be in the 80s and 90s all across the pacific northwest. one other thing that just happened, i want to just draw your attention to it, earthquake hit san francisco or at least near the east bay area. it was a 4.2 shaking here for about a minute. so if you are awake and don't know why, someone was shaking your bed. yes, that was the earth shaking underneath the bay area this morning about 18, 20 minutes ago. >> so 4.2, is that just like an ah in san franciscoian's mind? >> it will stop mass transit in some spots but that's a hey, get out of bed, it's monday, get going. >> i'd prefer a different kind alarm myself. chad myers, thanks so much. still to come in the "newsroom," bad weather 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>> kathy novak reporting live for us this morning. thank you. checking some other top stories for you at 16 minutes past. in san diego five people are dead after two small planes collided in midair as both aircraft were approaching an airport. the crash was described as very violent and then it sparked several brush fires. the faa and ntsb are investigating. an army skydiver who served five tours of duty in iraq and afghanistan has died after being injured in an air show. sergeant first class corey hood was performing at the chicago air and water show when he struck another diver in midair. he then hit a building and fell 30 stories. witnesses say they thought the accident was part of the show until they realized what happened. the other skydiver involved was treated for a broken leg. the u.s. says its pulling its patriot missile defense system out of turkey. the two countries released a joint statement saying the units were in need of critical upgrades and could be back in turkey within a week if needed. the missiles had been set up on the syrian/turkish border. will he or won't he? that is the big question when it comes to vice president joe biden and whether biden plans to jump into the presidential race. for days it's believed biden has been mulling over a decision which sources say could come by the end of the summer. democratic front-runner hillary clinton met with the president over the weekend on martha's vineyard where the commander in chief is vacationing. let's get right to cnn's jim acosta. good morning, jim. >> reporter: good morning, carol. that's right. while president obama is enjoying his vacation on martha's vineyard, vice president joe biden was spending some of his time off last week determining whether he should make a run for the white house. sources close to the vice president say he's not really near a decision right now, which is expected to come at the end of the summer, perhaps as late as october, but biden spent his vacation in south carolina, an early primary state and home to one of his biggest loyalists, the former chairman of that state's democratic party but his advisers are gaming out the challenge he would face should he choose to take on hillary clinton. she has the organization and much of the party behind her. if you look at the latest polls, biden would have to play some major catch-up against vermont senator bernie sanders who is gaining on clinton in the polls. here is what sanders had to say about the possibility of a biden candidacy. >> i have known joe for many, many years, and everybody who knows joe likes him and respects him. the decision as to whether or not he runs is his. if he does run, i promise him an issue-oriented campaign. we'll debate the major issues facing the american people. >> reporter: now, as for hillary clinton, she and her husband, former president bill clinton, were here on martha's vineyard over the weekend. white house official tells us the former secretary of state did chat briefly with president obama on saturday night. that was after mr. obama and bill clinton were hitting the golf course together on saturday, and that may be the biggest challenge to biden, carol. it is this optic, this image of the obamas and the clintons, both camps have really healed those wounds that existed way back in 2008 and in many ways hillary clinton is sort of carrying the mantel of the obama legacy heading into this next presidential election. that's the view of many people not only inside the white house but inside the democratic party as well. i'm told hillary clinton is already seen by top democratic strat i strategists who will protect and expand on president obama's legacy. white house officials have been talking of the vice president saying president obama believes tapping biden as his vp was the best political decision he has made. it sets up an interesting dilemma for president obama, having to choose between hillary clinton and joe biden. that was his team of rivals. nobody ever thought they would run against each other for president, carol. >> interesting. jim acosta reporting live for us this morning. thank you. still to come in the "newsroom," two months after the supreme court made same-sex marriage legal, many couples are still finding it difficult to get married. when heartburn comes creeping up on you. fight back with relief so smooth and fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue. and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. tum-tum-tum-tum-tums smoothies, only from tums. could protect you from cancer? 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>> in these 11 counties and it's only one county in kentucky. the aclu points out in the vast majority of the country there's been a pretty orderly experience here where everyone for the most part has been able to get these licenses without much of a problem, and they're actually surprised it went as well as it did given all the passion behind the same-sex marriage issue. >> what are the states of kentucky and alabama doing about these clerks? >> well, in kentucky in particular the governor himself actually gave a direct order to this clerk, that she needed to respond and issue these licenses, but essentially this is going to be adjudicated in the courts and that's one of the things that the aclu is concerned about because even though it is in these small pockets of resistance, if it gets down a certain judicial track and a conservative judge for instance says, yes, this clerk has the ability to shower her religious beliefs over her entire office it could have broader implications across the country. >> brian, thank you so much. i appreciate it. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me today. ohio governor john kasich a getting a big boost from a fellow republican. the alabama governor, robert bentley, endorsed john kasich. the pair appear together at the state sports hall of fame. kasich has been on a roll following the first gop debate. just last week he picked up a key new hampshire endorsement but this one is particularly important because it comes from a southern state and it certainly is just one example of john kasich's broader appeal. today's presidential front-runner, however, donald trump, is taking a break from the campaign trail to report for jury duty. last hour he arrived out the new york state supreme court building, this as the real estate mogul continues to edge out his republican challengers. a new fox news poll shows trump in the lead with 25% among republican voters. second place the anti-establishment candidates ben carson and ted cruz. jeb bush, he's not even in double digits but try to wrap your head around this. trump leads the pack, yes, but more than 50% of republican voters say trump isn't even qualified for the oval office. say what? that's what i said. with me now to talk about this, cnn politics senienior reporter steven collins and nia-malika henderson. what do you make of that? >> well, i think these folks are thinking about not necessarily electability right now. they are thinking about who is saying what they want to hear and who is sort of the portrait of strong leadership, and that is certainly something that donald trump has tried to convey over the last many weeks he's been riding high in the polls. he's very much set the agenda, set the tone for the conversation and i think it will be up to the other candidates to figure out if they're going to chase behind donald trump, if they're going to try to punch him in the nose in the way rand paul has or what they're going to try to do because he's taking up so much of the oxygen, but yet and still, there are all of those other people, you say 52% thinks he's not qualified to be president. well, that means, you know, 48% or so do think he's qualified to be president. so, you know -- >> okay. so glass half full, nia. i like that. some other strange results of this poll, most voters, most republican voters think trump did the worst in the debate. 21% say they don't even like trump. is this the weirdest candidate ever, steven? >> yeah, i think so. he's certainly sustained his challenge a lot more than -- for a lot longer time than many people thought, but i think what's going on with these polls showing anti-establishment, unconventional politicians doing really well is that if you spend any time talking to conservative activists, there's deep disappointment that the likes of john boehner and mitch mcconnell have not been able to enact a more comprehensive conservative agenda in washington. that's why i think people at this early stage of the election are turning towards candidates who are anti-establishment and they're not real politicians. they're saying i could fix this and you don't need to go through the normal establishment political channels in washington. you know, the question is how long that's going to be sustained. those numbers about likability and whether mr. trump is qualified to be president are going to be right at the forefront of voters' minds in six months when they actually cast their vote rather than talk to pollsters. >> so donald trump is trying to patch things up with the women of america, right, because he was on "new day" -- or actually mr. cohen, one of his campaign people, was on "new day" this morning. donald trump says the campaign will reveal how much trump pays women in his organization and they want other candidates to do the same. this is what mr. cohen said this morning. >> unlike the others, like hillary and her iowa fair said that she's the only one who can really understand women's rights and so on. donald trump's been living this for more than 30 years. he's not a gender-based payer. he's a performance based payer meaning if you do the job, he doesn't care if your name is mary or it's joe. he wants the job done. he wants it done right. >> you're saying it's not just about what you say, it's about what you do, and you're saying you're coming out with these numbers because you want to issue a challenges to the field. what's the challenge? >> i would like to see the other candidates, gop as well as democrat as well as hillary, i would be curious to see how many males versus females she has in her organization. >> so, nia, i'd be up for that. >> yeah, i think people want to see that. again, you have donald trump's campaign sort of setting the terms of the debate. who knows if hillary clinton is going to meet that challenge and release those numbers. they've also been challenging jeb bush calling his remark that you don't need half a billion dollars for women's health, talking about planned parenthood, they have said that was a 47% remark likening it to mitt romney's gaffe back in 2012. they're issuing all sorts of challenges. we'll see whether or not people actually follow through. ironic here though because just ten days ago or so we were talking about donald trump and how he was going to damage the gop's chances among women, damage his own chances among women voters in a gop primary but here he is framing himself or michael cohen framing donald trump as sort of on the vanguard in terms of women's right and feminism, sort of ironic. >> yes. i think it's very ironic. i don't mean to laugh about it, but it's just such -- it's been such a strange political season so far. especially donald trump shows up for jury duty, right, stephen. he hasn't five times before but this time he shows up because he thinks it's going to be kind of fun. we think he's going to be dismissed, but he played it like a politician. the media surrounded him on the steps of the courthouse. he walked up the steps and at the top he turned and waved to people. they took pictures. >> yeah. i think that's a sign of the political evolution of donald trump in many ways. people didn't think he could be a very effective politician, but by putting out immigration plans, talking about women voters, putting on this show as he goes to jury duty, he's showing that he's actually quite an astute politician. he understands people. he understands audiences, and that's something that's going to be very interesting to watch. does he become more of a traditional politician? 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>> will ripley reporting from northern china. where are the high paying jobs in the united states? for a while now unemployed americans have been desperately searching for those jobs. it turns out they may have been here and available all along. christine romans is cnn's chief business correspondent. really? >> now we have entered a new phase of the recovery. this new report from georgetown, from the expert on this, it's called good jobs are back, college graduates are first in line. they analyzed all the new jobs since 2010 and found about half of them were high-paying jobs. what am i talking about? jobs that are $53,000 a year or more. jobs that tend to have health insurance. jobs that tend to have a retirement plan, so there are good jobs out there and when they break it down, 2.9 million of them high-paying jobs. these are all the jobs out of the recovery. you can see that old narrative that so many of the jobs were low-income jobs just not holding true. that was true in the first part of the recovery, but recently we've been adding better jobs. science, technology, engineering, math, managerial roles, health care. these are the kinds of jobs we're seeing really picking up steam right now. >> that's awesome. >> it's good, and when you look at those jobs, carol, who are these jobs going to? about 80% of them are going to college graduates. so this report saying these millennials, new college graduates kind of weighing in on is college worth it debate? it is worth it. we're finding it is worth it. the recovery has been too slow and that's what this report also finds from georgetown, the recovery has been too slow. it's been kind of an abysmal post really depression recovery, but now we're at this stage where the kinds of jobs we're seeing come back are these high-paying jobs. >> it's interesting to see how it will affect the presidential election, right? >> yes, absolutely. >> christine romans, thank you. still to come in the "newsroom," should kids get trophies just for showing up? one super bowl-winning lineback er says no way. linebacker says . i don't want to live with the uncertainties of hep c. or wonder... ...whether i should seek treatment. i am ready. because today there's harvoni. a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. harvoni is proven to cure up to 99% of patients... ...who've had no prior treatment. it's the one and only cure that's... ...one pill, once a day for 12 weeks. certain patients... ...can be cured with just 8 weeks of harvoni. with harvoni, there's no interferon and there are no complex regimens. tell your doctor if you have other liver or kidney problems, or other medical conditions. and about all the medicines you take including herbal supplements. harvoni should not be taken with any medicines containing amiodarone, rifampin, or st. john's wort. it also should not be taken with any other medicine that contains sovaldi. side effects may include tiredness and headache. i am ready to put hep c behind me. i am ready to be cured. are you ready? 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the everyone has to get a trophy in order to succeed kind of syndrome, and he said in his statement on instagram, he said i'm sorry i'm not sorry for believing everything in life should be earned and i'm not about to raise two boys to be men by making them believe they are entitled to something just because they tried their best because sometimes your best is not enough and you have to go ahead and do better. i mean, i applaud him setting off this national conversation. i don't know if i would have done the same thing to my kids. they're 8 and 6 and those boys now have to send those trophies back. >> well, i was just talking to christine romans because she has little boys. i said what do you think about this james harrison thing and christine said i'm conflicted because i want my kids to participate and maybe they won't if they don't win a trophy. and i asked her, i said, christine, has not getting a trophy ever prevented you from participating in anything? >> see, i think the headline here is kids are much smarter than adults. we knew that already. they know what this is, right? 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"the new york times" has published a blistering portrait of what it's like to work at the giant online retailer amazon. based on the article or cnn money team sums up amazon's corporate culture as five big nos. no middle ground, no mercy, no holding back, no stopping, and no balance. here to explain what that means is christine. i read this article, and i wouldn't want to work at amazon. >> yes. now, here is the thing, and in technology amazon is known as a pretty intense place to work, but what "the new york times" did was present some pretty damning details specifically about people crying in the office, not being able to disconnect from their devices, penalized for taking vacation. what's called purposeful darwinism to weed out the weak lings and worst of all people getting edged out because they took time off for medical reasons like miscarriages. that's probably the worst of it. here is the issue for bezos. the company has been very public about it's ability to drive people to be the best, right? so what does that mean? and they're also very public about their principles. one of which is frugality, right? it's not surprising for a company that very rarely generates a profit for them to be frugal. the question is does that frugality and that intenseness translate to really mistreating employees? and the proof is in whether or not people continue to work at amazon, right? what's their retention like? and that's going to be really the proof. >> do we know what their retention rate is? >> we don't know exactly what their retention rate is, and the company probably won't release any kind of details -- >> most of the employees in the article said they only worked there a year or so because they couldn't take it and they had to get out and that brought in new blood. >> exactly. but bezos responded saying this is not the company i know. this is certainly not -- these practices are certainly not ones i encourage. please come forward either to me or to the human resources department and report any of these practices. the problem is -- >> oh, come on! >> exactly, exactly. you know how that game goes, right? >> yeah. >> but, you know, "the new york times" did a pretty thorough job here. it says that it interviewed over 100 current and former employees. these are not isolated incidents. this is a pattern that "the new york times" was trying to establish, but, again, if you look at silicon valley and how competitive it is, good programmers, good talent is really hard to come by. every tech executive that i speak to from a startup to the really established companies say talent is our biggest problem. we have talent wars. we have people willing to pay extreme amounts of money because there's a scarcity there, right? so amazon can't be a successful company if they continue to treat their employees -- if it's true, continue to treat their employees poorly, and they've been a successful company, so the question is how do you get that level of success by bashing your employees who could go work at google and facebook who have yoga in the middle of the day? we're talking about those perks compared to frugality at amazon? i don't know. something doesn't add up. >> yeah. well, it's an interesting article. you should read it. go to "the new york times" website and it's there. thanks very much. i appreciate it. checking some other top stories at 58 minutes past. in georgia the parents of kendrick johnson are saying officials played a role in covering up their son's death. saying an amendment to a $100 million lawsuit which was filed back in january. johnson's parents say the sheriff and the school superintendent allowed a person into the school gym to place their son's body inside of a rolled up gym mat for, quote, manufacturing alleged evidence of an accidental death. an attorney representing the sheriff's office claims this is false, outrageous, scurrilous, and scandalous. an iranian court is expected to announce a verdict in the trial of a jailed "washington post" reporter by the end of this week. this as a spokesperson for the iranian judiciary says jason rezaian's arrest has nothing to do with his work as a journalist. iran accuses rezaian of espionage and hostile acts. the u.s. state department calls those allegations absurd. the pentagon plans to step up its overseas drone program. according to "the wall street journal," it wants to increase flights by 50%. the defense department says the added flights would broaden surveillance and intelligence collection in areas including ukraine, iraq, syria, the south china sea, and north africa. thank you so much for joining me today. i'm carol costello. 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migrants. the pope made his direct call for help on the migrant crisis when he spoke at the vatican as the lines of those fleeing syria and elsewhere continues in staggering numbers. germany is already bracing to take in 800,000 migrants this year, many arriving in munich, that is where we begin with charlie d'agata. >> reporter: germany drew down its borders and opened its arms. ♪ >> reporter: the interior ministry said nearly 12,000 migrants have arrived over the weekend and counting. the fear and desperation that had been etched on their faces for so long gave way to relief and smiles. and while they were welcomed too at the train station in vienna, no one wants to hang around long. they jumped on the first train they could to germany, europe's richest country, and one that allows all syrian migrants to apply for asylum. on board was a curious mix of migrants and ordinary paying passengers. many took a chance to get some rest, safe in the knowledge the next stop would be their last. and rest they did. but they had stories to share too. one young mother told us she had been traveling without her husband for a month. i'm going to ask what it is like traveling with a young baby. she said she had to walk for miles carrying not just four month old raya but everything they had with a toddler in tow. as they got closer to munich muhammad zuhair told us he had reason again to hope. what does that feel like? >> reporter: abdul tarim told us he worst part was hungary and how they were forced into refugee camps. >> reporter: and you were locked up. >> reporter: one of those camps was still surrounded by armed guards today. those inside still waiting to know whether they too would be allowed to travel onwards. once migrants arrive here in munich, jeff, they're registered here and then they board buses to other parts of germany for accommodation. places like gymnasiums, even fair grounds. in some cases they begin training, a little bit of german and vocational skills. >> glor: charlie d'agata, thank you very much. in kentucky today lawyers for county clerk kim davis said they filed an appeal challenging the ruling that put her in jail for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. jericka duncan is at the courthouse in moorehead. >> getting her out of jail is a priority for us because she doesn't belong there. she's a prisoner of conscience. >> reporter: roger gannon is one of the attorneys representing kim davis. her legal team is hopeful today's appeal on the contempt order will get the county clerk out of jail soon. >> we hope through this first step and the subsequent appeal steps we take, we will be able to get a higher court to overturn the improper contempt order that the judge entered on thursday. >> reporter: today was the first day davis's husband joe saw his wife since she was locked up for defying a court order. davis's church did not hold its usual afternoon service. but you would be hard pressed to find a church in moorehead that is not urging support for davis. >> pray for kim davis. >> reporter: sherman chambers and his wife plan to do more. >> i will support her in any way she needs support. money or i would even go to jail with her. >> reporter: republican presidential candidate mike huckabee plans to meet with davis on tuesday. >> the county clerk in kentucky who, acting on her christian faith, is criminalized, jailed without bail because she acted on her conscience and according to the only law that is in front of her. >> reporter: and fellow republican presidential candidate john kasich responded. >> now i respect the fact that this lady doesn't agree but she's also a government employee. she's not running a church. i think she has to comply. >> reporter: jeff, also today attorneys for davis said that a letter circulating on the internet purported to be from davis is fraudulent and fake. >> glor: jericka duncan, thank you very much. >> glor: in northern illinois, as the search continues for three men suspected of killing a police lieutenant last week, a memorial will be held tomorrow. david begnaud is in antioch, illinois. david? >> reporter: jeff, good evening. american flags are lined around the town high school where thousands of people are expected to attend the funeral for fox lake police lieutenant joe gliniewicz. in the last 24 hours, trustees in the village of fox lake scrambled to appoint a police chief. it turns out four days before the lieutenant was killed, the chief of police abruptly retired amid an ongoing investigation into his department's handling of an arrest last year. an interim chief was named to help bring stability to a department in turmoil and now grieving the loss of lieutenant gliniewicz. as for the manhunt, 200 law enforcement officers are involved, five days since the ecrder and no arrests yet. as many as 2,000 police officers from around the country are expected to attend the funeral tomorrow for a man who leaves behind a wife and four children. >> glor: david begnaud, thank you. according to one new poll, hillary clinton is no longer trailing bernie sanders in new hampshire. sanders has pulled ahead. with more on this, here's julianna goldman. >> reporter: the sanders surge isn't just his massive crowds. the new poll shows bernie sanders beating clinton in new hampshire 41% to 32%. the vermont senator is up 9 points from july when he was trailing the democratic front- runner. vice president joe biden whose entry into the race would further upend the democratic field is third with 16%. sanders spent the last three days blanketing iowa and railing against wall street. yesterday he said clinton's people are getting nervous about the kind of energy and enthusiasm his campaign has generated. after a summer marked by persistent questions about her private e-mail server while secretary of state, clinton's lead has also narrowed in iowa. the 24 point advantage she had in july has been cut to just 11. in new hampshire on saturday, clinton brushed off a question about her declining popularity. >> well, i've always thought this was going to be a competitive primary. and i welcome that. >> reporter: talk of a loss in early voting states harkens back to 2008. >> thank you all. >> reporter: clinton won new hampshire. >> we will win this caucus, we will win this election. >> reporter: but president obama's earlier win in iowa catapulted him to eventually secure the nomination. she is determined to avoid a repeat. instead of relying on the first two nominating contests, clinton's campaign has a long- term strategy, to sweep south carolina and a host of other southern states on super-tuesday in march. as for joe biden, they had said he would make a decision by the end of september, but jeff, some close to him says he doesn't need to rush because the campaign has been so unpredictable that traditional rules have been thrown out the window. others close to the camp say he should decide before that first debate in october. >> glor: julianna goldman, thank you. a.a.a. estimates more than 35 mellion americans are traveling at least 50 miles from home this holiday weekend. and they are paying the lowest labor day gas prices in 11 years. the average is about $2.40 a gallon, more than a dollar less than last year. here with more is barrons.com editor jack otter. a couple parts to this story. first off, this is a big bonus to consumers. >> it sure is the energy department estimates more than 700 dollars will be in consumer's pockets thanks to savings at the pump, airfares down 5.5% on average. and good news for industries, shipper, industrial company, even the auto industry. retail should be getting a bump. we haven't seen that yet but it's also tough on some other industries. >> glor: a barrel of oil under $50, 46 now, you think it will go under 40 actually. that does mean layoffs. >> it does because this is very painful for energy companies. we've already seen over 100,000 jobs lost in the oil patch and these are high-paying jobs. a lot in texas, north dakota and other places. conoco philips announced it was cutting 10% of its workforce, that's 1,800, baker hughes, halliburton and drillerss are getting hit each announced over 10,000 layoffs. >> glor: any indication opec led by the saudi will cut production? >> there was a rumor, oil prices shot up 27%. that turned out to be unfounded. they are falling again. nobody wants to make the first move. it's like a global game of chicken as saudi arabia tries it lower prices in the hopes of gaining market share against the new u.s. fracking industry. russia is hurting, venezuela is getting hammered and even our trading partners brazil and canada, canada is in recession. so low oil prices are great, but it also hurts a lot of people. >> glor: thanks very much. >> any time. >> glor: tonight, at least 45 large wildfires are burning in seven states across the west. nearly a dozen of them are in idaho, where a national interagency fire center has its command center. chris martinez went inside. >> reporter: throughout the summer one large wildfire has been followed by another and yet another. >> we're in a place we've never been before in the level of activity that we've experienced this season. >> reporter: it's dan buckley's job to help determine who goes where, decisions that are made at the national interagency fire center in boise. each person here has had on the ground experience fighting fires. this year resources are stretched to the breaking point. >> you know that the firefighters out there are asking for help and we can't provide it. it's like being a parent that you are trying to feed your kids and yet don't have any food to give them. >> reporter: is there any state you have not pulled resources from? >> i doubt it, not at this time. we've been to puerto rico too. >> reporter: chuck wamack says his role is like moving thousands of pieces on a giant chessboard. it's been tough this summer, he says, so tough that they've deploy crews from as far away as australia and new zealand. even the u.s. army. the goal, he says is to move villages of firefighters to remote locations at blazing speed. >> you can get it there pretty immediately. you can get a new fire in southern utah, a couple of 100 helicopters over the fire before dinner time. we can bring in the capable to feed 1,500 people three meals a day, set up a city, essentially. >> reporter: that's where sunshine meitzner comes in. >> firefighters aren't happy without food or showers. >> reporter: she is now working 13 hour days, seven days a week to keep crews clean and fed. >> it's very important what we do here. everything that comes from out of area to these fires comes through us. >> reporter: what keeps you up at night? ge firefighters getting injured or killed. >> reporter: this summer alone a firefighter died in northern california and three more in washington state. buckley attended their funeral last weekend. >> it's like we get nicked a little bit in our heart every time something like that happens. there have been a lot of nicks this year. >> reporter: every morning buckley walks this path near the fire command center. it's a memorial with plaques honoring the fallen. >> i think about these people and what they go through, and the stress they felt. and it kind of diminishes the stress i feel sitting in a comfortable office making decisions. >> reporter: the decisions that can save towns and countless homes but sometimes at a huge cost. chris martinez, cbs news, boise. >> glor: the search is under way for a whale in distress. and, tom brady talks deflategate in person when the "cbs evening news" continues. news" continues. in pain relief. nothing is proven stronger on aches and pains than advil. not tylenol. not aleve. nothing. relief doesn't get any better than this. advil. to breathe with copd?ow hard it can be it can feel like this. copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled 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>> glor: the search intensified today for a whale entangled in hundreds of feet of fishing line off california, as mireya villareal reports, rescuers are desperately trying to save the while's life. >> reporter: its with a typical whale watching trip when harbor breeze cruise captain danny salas saw something extraordinary. >> the whale wasn't acting right it looked tired, swimming extremely slow. >> reporter: he was the first to spot the 80 foot long blue whale entangled in crab pot fishing line several miles off the southern california coast. the coast guard and others rushed to help. peter wallerstein is with marine animal rescue and tried for hours to sever the line. >> you would like to have cut it all off and then freed the all off and then freed the whale but sometimes things are impossible. and it endangers their rescue as we're doing it. >> reporter: as a last resort the crew attached a larger buoy to the tangled line to make it easier to spot. but since that happened friday night, the whale has disappeared. experts worry that the whale will have trouble eating, could get tired faster and die. biologist diane alps says saving this blue whale, an endangered species is especially important. >> there are only about 10,000 left in the world. at one time there were over 300,000 and whale hunting decreased their numbers. >> reporter: for now the coast guard, whale watching boats and pilots are keeping a close eye on the ocean. mireya villareal, cbs news, los angeles. >> glor: a police officer was ambushed and shot today in las vegas. investigators say officers were stopped at a traffic light when a suspect walked up to their patrol car and opened fire, hitting an officer in the hand. the officer's injuries are not life-threatening. a suspected is in custody. up next, football season is here and so is virtual reality. ome pn to help rearrange the fridge and get us energized! i'm new ensure active high protein. i help you recharge with nutritious energy and 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season ahead. this week, a judge overturned his four-game suspension. the nfl is appealing that. quarterbacks can have an extraordinary new tool at their disposal this year. virtual reality. v.r. is quickly changing the way the football world operates. several college teams have signed on with a company called strivr, the leader in this burgeoning field. its roots are in stanford in the heart of silicon valley as we found out for "60 minutes sports." just weeks before the start of the season, stanford head coach david shaw... >> nice job. >> glor: ...is drilling starting quarterback kevin hogan, a possible heisman candidate. >> i'll take that. i'll take that, that's great. >> glor: what is different about these reps is how they will be reviewed later. not on a big film screen, but in hogan's mind. >> just take your eyes. >> glor: hogan can see and hear the action just as he does on the field. >> yeah, you have the safety way too far off the hash. >> reporter: he can repeat each play, 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>> he said you had the bill. i said yes, i did. do you save all your bills. i said no, but i did save that one. >> reporter: two or three times a year the waldorf offers couples who share a special history with the hotel the same deal, one night at the same rate they paid all those years ago. >> we were kids together and now we're not kids any more. >> reporter: and as part of their celebration their two children sprang for a second night at the hotel, plus a broadway play. >> we were so excited to come in today. it is just wonderfully thoughtful and we appreciate all of that. >> reporter: yellow diamonds are the traditional gift for a 60th anniversary. paper is usually given on the first. but for the salzano's, this piece of paper was a gift six decades in the making. don dahler, cbs news, new york. >> glor: that is the "cbs evening news" tonight. later on cbs, "60 minutes." i'm jeff glor, good night. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org 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up first, donald trump declaring his allegiance to the republican party and pulling further ahead in the polls after declaring he would not sign a loyalty pledge. he did just that. why the sudden about face? >> the best way forward for the republicans to win is if i win the nomination and go directly against whoever they happen to put up. for that reason, i have signed the pledge. >> take a look at the latest monmouth university poll. 30% is a new high for trump. for more on his decision to embrace the republican party, we turn to cnn's dana bash. >> reporter: i covered politics for some time. i have never seen what i have seen at trump tower. the chairman of the party flying from washington to go to the home turf for a candidate for president to convince him to sign a pledge to be a member of that party. this is the world of donald trump. of course, all of this is happening because trump is relatively new to the gop. he is doing extremely well. he has the highest poll ratings nationally so far. republicans have been very worried that if he doesn't get the nomination that he could take the supporters he has, bolt the gop and run as an independent and hand the white house to the democrats. the republicans have been quietly trying to talk to trump and try to convince him and cajole him to get him to stay in the gop. different from last month where he would not make that pledge. i asked him why he is signing it now when he didn't last month. >> what changed in the last couple weeks? >> i think the big thing, dana, that's changed and it is obvious to all. number one, after i announced, we went up like a rocket ship. the thing that changed is the thing i went to the number one place quickly after i signed. i went early to number one and the rnc has treated me with great respect. >> reporter: this pledge is not legally binding at all. he doesn't have to stick to it. still, he said, he doesn't see a circumstance where he would tear up the pledge. donald trump knows how unpredictable politics is and we know how unpredictable donald trump is. >> trump got testy on thursday after being tripped up by radio talk show host hugh hewitt. he admitted he did not know the difference between hamas and hezbollah. >> on the front of the islamist terrorism, i'm looking to know who al-baghdadi. do you know the scorecard? >> by the time we get to office, they will all change. i knew you were going to ask me things like this. i will hopefully find douglas mcarthur in the pack. those are history questions. do you know this one, do you know that one? >> i don't believe in "got ya'" questions. >> that is a "got ya'" question. the day after the election, i'll know more about it than you will ever know. >> i hope so. last question. the difference between hezbollah and hamas does not matter to you yet, but it will. >> it will when it is appropriate. i will know more about it than you know. >> jeb bush talking tough. he claims donald trump is too pessimistic to run the country. bush says he is not going to stand idly by. >> i will push back when he says things that are ugly and damage our brand and damage our ability to be successful. i'm sure going to fight back. i'm not going to participate in some reality tv show. i'll stay true to my beliefs. i'm not personalizing this. it doesn't have anything to do with him. >> bush claims trump is trying to insult his way into the white house and is preying on people's anxst and fears. there are two factors that could stop joe biden from running for president. he says he has to be confident to build a strong campaign to raise enough money. he has to be sure he and his family are up to the challenge. >> the most relevant factor in my decision is whether my family and i have the emotional energy to run. unless i can go to my party and the american people and say that i am able to devote my whole heart and my whole soul to this endeavor, it would not be appropria appropriate. hillary clinton's former chief of staff is expected to testify before the committee today. he is expected to be questioned behind closed doors about the 2012 attack in libya and the private use of the e-mail server. on thursday, cheryl mills appeared before the committee. the former chief of staff told lawmakers no work related e-mails were withheld or destroyed. clinton and marco rubio will be campaigning in puerto rico today. puerto rico does not vote for president, but whoever wins primaries is likely to gain support among puerto rico voters in new york and florida. several candidates are rallying behind kim davis. davis was ordered to jail for failing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. rand paul and ted cruz calling her imprisonment criminal. >> i stand with her and anyone else that the government is trying to persecute for standing up for their faith. this is fundamentally wrong and inconsistent with the first amendment of the constitution. >> i think what will happen as a result of this is states and locations will opt out of the marriage business completely. her religious conviction is that this is not the marriage she approves of. >> and mike huckabee, the former arkansas governor, asking people to sign a free kim davis petition. and this from rick santorum. saying we should not have to choose between keeping our job and practicing our faith. congress and states must pass first amendment defense act now. and others say davis is obligated to carry out the law despite her personal religious convictions. >> the judge in her case told her she could go free if she gave her deputy clerks permission to issue licenses. davis consulted with her attorneys and refused. we have more from alexandra field in ashland, kentucky. >> reporter: kim davis refused to iss licenses after it was part of the law of of the land. davis was forced to appear in front of a court this summer where she was ordered to issue licenses. she is appealing the case. in the meantime, she continued to refuse the issue licenses. brought back to the same courthouse in kentucky, a judge ruled she was inn c contempt of court. many were surprised that davis would be fined. the judge said that would not be enough to compel her to follow his orders which are to issue marriage licenses. davis is now in jail and the judge called six of her deputies to the stand. five have agreed to issue licenses for rowen county. an attorney for davis was brought back into the courtroom. she would not authorize the clerks to do that. given that, davis will have to remain in jail and the deputy clerks can begin to issue licenses to all couples as early as this morning. >> alexandra field, thank you. time for an early start on your money. a tough end to the week for stocks. european stocks are lower right now. u.s. stock futures are down as well. this could all change. i want to caution it is early. we have an august jobs report due out later this morning. that could influence the direction of markets. economists surveyed by cnn money predict 207,000 jobs added last month. that would be down just slightly from july, but will continue the solid gains we have seen this year. the unemployment rate is expected to tick down to 5.2%. if that happens, it is the lowest rate since the crash in 2008. this could sway the fed's decision on interest rate hikes. it could come next week, but a volatile august for stocks made that decision more complicated. this jobs report could be, many people say, the deciding factor for the fed. >> it is interesting to see wall street's reaction to the report. what i'm hearing is a good report which could cause a selloff. >> a rate hike. a california college lockdown. one dead and two shot. police right now looking for the killer. details next. a judge clearing tom brady in deflategate. the drama is not over yet. sacramento police searching for a gunman who opened fire at sacramento city college killing one person and badly wounding another and grazing a third person. all three students at the college. gunman fleeing on foot. police say they believe the attack was an isolated incident. not a campus shooting spree. three suspected killers still on the loose. authorities in illinois say they are making significant progress in their hunt for those three suspected cop killers. they are looking at footage from a nearby home security system. they are hoping for fresh leads in the case. we have more with cnn's ryan young. >> reporter: investigators are working around the clock. the commander says he has to tell the investigators to go home. one woman has been charged with the idea she filed a false report. now police cleared that up, they do believe there is home surveillance that may have cause three suspects running nearby. that has been turned over to homeland security. more than 100 tips have come in and all this may help them catch the people involved in the vicious killing. in abilene, texas, two people now under arrest in connection with the killing of a police officer at his home. two charged with first-degree murder. bond set at $500,000 each. police linked the duo from officer don allen's home. several reports he was bound and beaten and tortured. meantime, the funeral is scheduled for today for darren goforth. he was ambushed as he was filling his patrol car. and the prosecutor is saying she will seek the death penalty for dylann roof. she made the decision after what she described as intense and emotional discussion was family members and survivors. police say roof sat at the bible study for an hour in june before opening fire. the justice department is changing its policy when it comes to using technology to track cell phones. the rules include adding more judicial and internal supervisions. right now, cell sites are used to mimic cell towers and scan cell phones within range. this does not apply to local and state police departments. summer-like temperatures sticking around for the midwest and northeast. let's get the holiday weekend forecast from meteorologist derek van dam. >> good morning, alison and christine. it will be warm. we still have the surface level high pressure system rotating in lots of heat across the central u.s. 97 in nashville. 100 near st. louis. look at the cooler weather settling in to the big apple. a weak cold front sliding across the new england coast. that is cooling our temperatures, quote/unquote, by a couple of degrees. it will not take long for warmer weather to build back up across the central u.s. and sliding east through the course of the holiday weekend. if you are in to tennis, the u.s. open forecast for new york, 80 on saturday. look at rebound. 90 by tuesday afternoon. many people hitting the beaches. water temperatures in the upper 60s for the new england coast. there is a rip current risk along the long island coast. 3 to 4 feet breakers. warm and humid for the southeast. back to you. thank you, derek. nfl commissioner roger goodell would normally attend the first game of the season, but he will not be at the patriots next week. tom brady scored a huge win over the league after the federal judge vacated the four-game suspension for the deflategate scandal. the judge had issues with the way goodell handled the investigation. this morning, patriot nation is celebrating. >> i said from the beginning it was a witch hunt against brady. the outcome is more than fair. i'm happy and i'm glad the judge put goodell in his place. >> so happy that brady's free. >> the nfl will have the judge's decision overturn, but it will not keep brady off the field during the appeals process. european leaders failing to find a solution to this exploding migrant crisis. thousands of people trying to escape war and poverty. flooding europe's borders with no place to go. we are live after the break. a migrant crisis is overwhelming europe and the pictures show of desperation and disappointment. thousands of men, women and children pouring into hungary from syria and iraq. after a long standoff with authorities, they were hoping to make it to germany or austria. instead, they were herded into refugee camps. there is international outrage now as people around the world, alison, are watching these images. specifically this image we saw this week of a little boy, now we know he is 2 years old, a boy whose body was on a beach in turkey who died trying to flee civil war and destruction. you know, usually we don't know pictures like this. usually media does not show pictures like this. >> this one picture telling the story. interestingly enough, you are hearing the european countries kind of blame one another. hungary's prime minister saying it is not our fault. they are following germany's rules to go ahead and process these people. it is hard to feel empathy to hungary officially saying this when you look at the pictures. >> the red tape is frustrating for people. they have fled just horrific conditions in the hopes that europe will be a better place for their families. imagine trying to raise your children in the kind of civil war and chaos or assault from isis if you live in parts of syria and parts of iraq. frederik pleitgen has been following this from munich. now he is in budapest. fred, bring us up to speed. you are there on the train tracks with migrants right now who are just desperate, fred, to get to germany. are they having any better luck today? >> reporter: they are certainly not, christine. on the tracks here in front of the train. many chanting germany and germany. and no hungary, no camp. many refusing to take on food and water. they say they have been treated very badly. so far by the authorities. they keep breaking out the chants they want to go to germany. quite frankly, this is a standoff going on with several hundred hungarian military forces. migrants are refusing to leave the train. the hungarians want to bring them to makeshift camps. they say they won't do that. the train is stationary right now. there are children on board. they say there are some pregnant women on board. they say the conditions on board the train are deteriorating by the minute because the train has been here and stationary on the tracks for almost 24 hours now. it really is a dire situation and tense one as well. you can tell how the people who are on the train are getting frustrated and angry. they say they bought tickets to germany and the train is not allowed to move forward. >> the officials there saying it is the custom or law that the country you enter the eu, you have to apply for asylum paper work there. these folks want to go on to germany because the chancellor angela merkel says come here. we will help you apply for asylum and status in germany. a red tape mess. for these people, they are desperate to move on. they don't want to stay in hungary. they want to get to germany. thanks so much for that, frederik pleitgen, in budapest. all right. donald trump agreeing to drop out of the presidential race if he 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at the latest monmouth university poll. 30% is a new high for trump. for more on his decision to embrace the republican party, we turn to cnn's dana bash. >> reporter: i have covered politics for a long time and i have never quite seen an event like what happened at trump tower. that is the chairman of a party flying from washington to go to the home of the candidate to sign a pledge to be a member of that party. this is the world of donald trump. of course, all of this is happening because trump is relatively new to the gop. he is doing well. he has his highest poll ratings nationally so far. republicans have been very worried that if he doesn't get the nomination, that he could take supporters he has and bolt the gop and run as an independent and hand the white house to the democrats. the republicans have been quietly trying to talk to trump and try to convince him to cajole him to get him to make the promise to stay in the gop. very different response from last month in the debate where he would not make that pledge. i asked what would make him sign it now when he would not do it a few weeks ago. listen. >> what changed over the past several weeks? >> i think the big thing, dana, that's changed and it is obvious to all, number one, after i announced, we went up like a rocket ship. the thing that changed is i went to the number one place quickly after i signed. the biggest thing is i went early to number one and the rnc treated me with great respect. >> reporter: to be clear, he doesn't have to stick to it. it is not legally binding at all. donald trump, of all people, knows how unpredictable politics is and we know how unpredictable donald trump is. >> yes. trump got testy on thursday after being tripped up by hugh hewitt. foreign policy was the topic. he confused the kurds with the middle eastern force. he admitted he did not know the difference between hezbollah and hamas. >> i'm looking for the next commander in chief to know who al baghdadi. do you know the players without a scorecard? >> honestly, by the time we get to office, they will be changed and gone. i knew you would ask me this. there is no reason. number one, i will hopefully find douglas mcarthur in the pack. they are all changing here. >> i don't believe in "got ya'" questions. i'm not trying to quiz you. >> thougse are "got ya'" questions. i will know more than that. >> the difference between hezbollah and hamas does not matter to you yet, but it will? >> it will when it is appropriate. i will know more about it than you know. believe me, it won't take me long. >> jeb bush talking tough about donald trump. he claims trump is too pessimistic to run the country. bush says he is not going to stand idly by when trump attacks. >> i'll push back when he says things that are ugly and things that will damage our brand. when he attacks me personally, i'll fight back. i'm not going to participate in some reality tv show. i'll stay true to my beliefs. i'm not personalizing this. i'm not personalizing it. it doesn't have do with him. >> bush claims trump is trying to insult his way to the white house and preying on people's fears. vice president joe biden says he will not hesitate to run for president, but there are two factors that could stop him. biden speaking at a synagogue in atlanta saying he has to be confident to build a strong campaign to raise enough money and he has to be sure he and his family are up to the challenge. >> the most relevant factor in my decision is whether my family and i have the emotional energy to run. unless i can go to my party and the american people and say that i am able to devote my whole heart and my whole soul to this endeavor, it would not be appropriate. hillary clinton's former chief of staff at the state department set to face the house committee on benghazi today. jake sullivan is now the foreign policy adviser for the campaign. he is expected to be questioned behind closed doors about the 2012 attack on the mission in libya and clinton's use of the private e-mail server. on thursday, cheryl mills appeared before the committee. the former chief of staff told lawmakers no work related e-mails have been withheld or destroyed to keep them from the public eye. clinton and republican marco rubio will both be campaigning in puerto rico today. puerto rico does not vote for president, but whoever wins, its primary is likely to gain support for puerto rico voters in florida and new york. some candidates are rallying behind kim davis. she was ordered to jail. she is behind bars for failing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. rand paul and ted cruz calling her imprisonment criminal. >> i stand with her and anyone else that the government is trying to persecute for standing up for their faith. this is wrong and inconsistent with the first amendment of the constitution. >> i think what will happen as a result of this is states and localities will opt out of the marriage business. her heart felt religious conviction is this is not the marriage she approves of. >> this is the tweet from mike huckabee asking voters to sign a free kim davis petition. insisting religious liberty is not a crime in america. this from rick santorum. tweeting, we should not have to choose between keeping our job and practicing our faith. congress and states must pass first amendment defense act now. at least three gop candidates say davis is obligated to carry out the law. she is a government employee despite her personal religious objections. it turns out kim davis could have stayed out of jail. the judge in her case told her she could go free if she gave her deputy clerks permission to issue same sex wedding licenses. davis consulted her attorneys and refused. we get more from alexandra field. >> reporter: kim davis refused to issue licenses ever since it was law of the land. davis was ordered by the judge to issue the licenses. she is appealing the case. she was brought back to the same courthouse in kentucky. a judge ruled she was in contempt of court and he ordered her remanded to the custody of the u.s. marshal. that surprising many in the courtroom expecting she would be fined. that is not enough to compel her to follow the orders which is to issue the licenses. davis is now in jail and the judge called six of her deputy clerks to the stand. five of them have now agreed to issue marriage licenses for rowan county. an attorney representing kim davis was brought back into the courtroom. he said davis would not authorize the clerks to do that. given that, the judge said davis will have to remain in jail, but the deputy clerks can issue licenses to all couples as early as this morning. >> alexandra field. thank you. time for an early start for your money. european stocks lower. u.s. stock futures are down. that could change with the august jobs report due out later this morning. that report could sway or influence the fed's decision on raising interest rates later this month. jobs market in this country is changing. according to a survey, 31% of workers consider themselves free agents. that includes contractors, freelancers and temps and moonlighters. 31%. they chose this form of work. 10% said they were forced into it because of the economy. we have seen a lot of changes over the last ten years. some changes have been a couple decades in the making. really interesting to see so many people in the gig economy. significant new evidence in the search of three men suspected of killing an illinois police officer. the new leads ahead. sacramento police searching for a gunman who opened fire at sacramento city college killing one and wounding three others. the gunman fleeing on foot. police say they believe the attack was an isolated incident, not a campus shooting spree. authorities in illinois say they are making significant progress in the hunt for three suspected cop killers. they are now looking at footage from a nearby home security system looking for fresh leads in the case. we get more from cnn's ryan young in chicago. >> reporter: investigators are working around the clock. in fact, the commander here tells us he has to tell his investigators to go home. one woman has been charged with the idea that she falsified a police report saying she saw two suspects. now that police cleared that up, they got a piece of solid information. they believe there is home surveillance that caught three suspects running nearby. that has been turned over to homeland security. in the meantime, two investigators are working on e-mails and tip line phone calls. all this, they believe, will help them catch the people involved. >> ryan young, thank you. nfl commissioner roger goodell would normally attend the super bowl champs first game of the season. he won't be at the season opener for the patriots next week. tom brady scored a huge win over goodell and the league after a federal judge vacated the four-game suspension over the deflategate scandal. the judge took issue with how goodell handled the investigation and patriot nation is celebrating. >> i said from the beginning it was a witch hunt against brady. the outcome is fair. i'm happy. i'm glad the judge put goodell in his place. >> happy that brady's free. >> the nfl will try to have the decision overturned, but it will not keep brady off the field. a migrant crisis exploding in europe. leaders disagree how to solve it leaving thousands homeless and stranded in the streets this morning. we are live with the developments next. how fast are allegra® gelcaps? we're going out in an hour... fast. allegra® relieves your worst allergy symptoms two times faster than claritin®. allegra® gelcaps... not just fast. allegra® fast. announcer: babies who are talked to from the time they're born.. are more likely to have a successful future. talking and reading to children in their first years has a huge impact on what they do with the rest of their lives. the fewer words they hear, the greater their chances of dropping out of school and getting into trouble. talk. read. sing. your words have the power to shape their world. learn more at first5california.com/parents a migrant crisis overwhe overwhelming europe. thousands of men, women and children pouring in from syria and iraq trying to make their way to germany. after a long standoff with authorities in budapest, they were allowed to board a train, but instead were herded into camps. we have frederik pleitgen with more this morning. fred, you hear the hungarian prime minister say look, don't blame hungary. it is hard not to when you see these images. >> reporter: you are right. we have the images here, alison. there are several of these migrants still cramped on the train. one of the trains left the budapest train station and stopped 20 miles. they are refusing to leave the train. they say the conditions in the camps are so bad. they are refusing to get off. a lot of riot police. you can see a lot of riot police on the tracks as well. they cordoned off the area. they are not letting us go to these people. it is dire conditions. they have been telling us the conditions after 20 hours here on the track, very bad on board that train. very little food and water. they are refusing to accept food and water from the hungarian authorities. they say a lot of women and children on board. we have seen some of the children. again and again, they break out into spontaneous protests here in front of the media screaming no hungary. we want to go to germany. no food. no camp. it really is a very emotional situation where you can tell how frustrated many of these people are who have not only obviously been on the tracks for a long time, but also made their way all the way from syria through turkey and a lot of europe to get here and stopped a couple of miles away from where they want to go which is germany. >> are they waiting to hear what to do next? sitting there for hours and hour waiting for these leaders of the european countries to make up their minds on what to do? >> reporter: yeah. basically that is what they are doing. they are saying they want to force the government here to allow them to go on to germany because what they heard and what is happening is germans are saying any syrians who come to germany will not be sent back. they will be allowed to apply for asylum. i was in munich days ago. they were ramping up to take in people like these. they cannot get through because they cannot get out of hungary. the hungarians are saying it is european law that the country they first come into in europe, that is where they have to register. for the time being, hungarians left refugees through. these people are saying they want to force the hungarian authorities to allow them to go. the hungarian authorities will not let them go any further. you have to get off the train and get on a bus and go to the camp and get registered. >> frederik pleitgen leave from budapest. some of these people have been on the run for two months. arwa damon interviewing one family on one of the trains. two months. a woman with three kids, christine. >> what they left is horrific. when you think about what they left and the last leg of the journey. this is the worst refugee crisis europe has seen since world war ii. its laws are not up to the challenge. 55 minutes past the hour. donald trump says he would be the best jobs president ever. i'll give you a real breakdown of his job creation history next. good morning. welcome back. i'm christine romans. let's get an early start on your money. an ugly end to the week for stocks. european shares are lower. u.s. futures are down. that could change depending on the august jobs report due out this morning. economists interviewed predict 207,000 jobs could be added. the jobless rate expected to tick down to 5.2%. donald trump claiming he would be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. he also says he has created jobs as a businessman and will do it on a bigger scale. how many jobs has he created? cnn money finds 34,000 jobs to trump. his organization has 22,000 employees and more jobs created through a multiplier effect. in the hotels and restaurants. 34,000 is the math on donald trump. >> glad you have the numbers. "early start" continues right now. >> donald trump pledging his loyalty to the republican party. he tells cnn what it is that changed his mind. joe biden candid and emotional about the possibility of running for president. what he says needs to happen first. a kentucky clerk behind bars for refusing gay couples the right to marry. the presidential