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The criminals from getting them. >> no, not necessarily. because the thing is, in new york, if you get caught with a gun on the streets, do you three years. >> bill: you have that law on the book in illinois. they just dont enforce it. >> thats the subject. >> bill: you have it? >> thats the subject. >> bill: all right. but, still, if you discourage these thugs from carrying, if they dont carry, then the murder rate goes down. give you the last word. >> i would say putting three years and making...

The criminals from getting them. >> no, not necessarily. because the thing is, in new york, if you get caught with a gun on the streets, do you three years. >> bill: you have that law on the book in illinois. they just dont enforce it. >> thats the subject. >> bill: you have it? >> thats the subject. >> bill: all right. but, still, if you discourage these thugs from carrying, if they dont carry, then the murder rate goes down. give you the last word. >> i would say putting three years and making...

Them. >> no, not necessarily. because the thing is, in new york, if you get caught with a gun on the streets, do you three years. >> bill: you have that law on the book in illinois. they just dont enforce it. >> thats the subject. >> bill: you have it? >> thats the subject. >> bill: all right. but, still, if you discourage these thugs from carrying, if they dont carry, then the murder rate goes down. give you the last word. >> i would say putting three years and making examples of them does -- g...