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Limited executive privilege as well. >> exactly. one of the arguments the white house has said, at the core of republicans arguments is this is secondhand knowledge, no one had direct conversations with the president about why the aid was on hold, what he wanted in exchange for these investigations. and thats because the people who would have those direct conversations with the president have not been testifying. mick mulvaney, john bolton, mike pompeo among them. >> gordon sondland did, as we k...

Given those obstacles, what do you see in your path for the nomination? >> well, first of all, the three of us have had several televised debates among ourselves, so i dont give the president a lot of credit just for not having the guts to stand up and debate. i frankly think its because he knows he doesnt have a knowledge base on any of the great issues that would be debated. he even tried to cancel the new hampshire primary, and you can imagine that went over like a lead balloon in new hampshi...

Hampshire. needless to say and the, you know, republican state committee, which is appointed by trump in every state, its the trump organization said yeah, lets get rid of this first in the nation primary. the voters in new hampshire are not stupid, and they know that a lot of their clout comes from having the first in the nation primary every four years. so that went over like a lead balloon. but that was such an extreme gambit, you know, thats a motion that failed for want of a second. my read...

The most reluctant to pull the trigger literally. im also reminded, your a big reader, thousands of books in your library. general kelly the same way. maybe you argued at who had more books. >> he has more than me. >> neil: the president or those you work for, who had that sense of history or that department or that reading or that knowledge base, book base historical sense? >> id certainly said that john f. kennedy had it. when you looked at how he looked at the world, he understand history, jo...

>> he has the biggest name id, biggest reputation and biggest knowledge base and also the attack by harris was -- was a cheap shot, turned out that both had the same views, opposed federal government imposing busing, that they accepted local districts imposing buses, thats what happened in her situation and they ended up being the same, harris turned out to be a not so good candidate, weve now seen her flip-flop, is she in favor of the medicare for all, getting rid of all personal health insuran...

>> he has the biggest name id, biggest reputation and biggest knowledge base and also the attack by harris was -- was a cheap shot, turned out that both had the same views, opposed federal government imposing busing, that they accepted local districts imposing buses, thats what happened in her situation and they ended up being the same, harris turned out to be a not so good candidate, weve now seen her flip-flop, is she in favor of the medicare for all, getting rid of all personal health insuran...

Biggest reputation and biggest knowledge base and also the attack by harris was -- was a cheap shot, turned out that both had the same views, opposed federal government imposing busing, that they accepted local districts imposing buses, thats what happened in her situation and they ended up being the same, harris turned out to be a not so good candidate, weve now seen her flip-flop, is she in favor of the medicare for all, getting rid of all personal health insurance or not, shes been flipping a...

Today. so what are the tools here? what is the way out of this? and its not impossible that listening to music that has been about the search for a more perfect union could help us. because you can listen to a song, again, that you disagree with more easily. >> one of the things that unique about this tandem here, you have this great recollection and knowledge base to talk about the history of these songs, but what tim brings, and i thought the sam cook part of the book, you know, i read it a co...

It. >> let me ask you about the impeachment issue because you have an interesting here and knowledge base you were you were a congressional staffer during the impeachment proceedings against president nixon. you were a congresswoman during the impeachment of president clinton, and so far you have not called for the impeachment of president trump. during the clinton impeachment proceedings he called this, quote, an effort to undo an election, and yoquote, a pretty sad day for the country. do you ...

Doesnt, right? and -- >> emotion. >> emotion. and its at once -- and whats so interesting to me about this -- and this is what we spend all of our time talking about, right? is how do we get out of this moment? even if youre for the president, youre under constant siege. if youre against him, youve set your hair on fire three times today, right? so what are the tools here? whats the way out of this? and its not impossible that listening to music that has been about the search for a more perfect ...