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border against candidly a country that was beat by finland in the winter war in 1941, but you re also in many ways bottling up the baltic s fleet and one of the major concerns that putin has was the fact that if ukraine became a member of nato, you d be bottling up to some extent the black sea fleet. this is not just about land territory, it s about sea territory as well. which is important to point out. i do want to say let s move to ukraine, if we could. in the last 24 hours ukrainians have blown up at least two pontoon bridges in the luhansk regions, we heard them say they re taking back territory but we re seeing gains in the east for russia. there s a lot of back and forth here. is it your sense that this is sort of what we are settling into, more of this back and forth for months or potentially even years to come? i think it could very well turn foo a frozen conflict, as

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