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president-elect has nominated ardent obamacare critic tom price, a republican congressman from the state of georgia, congressman price is very tight with paul ryan, this is according to the house speaker himself. here is speaker ryan on local talk radio. >> what i'm excited about is tom price who is a very close friend of mine. tom price is one of the architects of replacing obamacare, of fixing health care. he's a surgeon, he knows how the law works and he's been the most passionate advocate for patient-centered health care reforms that i've seen in congress and i'm really excited he is now going to be the quarterback, the point person in the new administration on reforming health care. so that was speaker ryan and as donald trump is adding to his cabinet, he's also making headlines again for one of his tweets. this is what he wrote "nobody should be allowed to burn the
the momentum our campaign got in the last two weeks of the campaign i think was largely due to the fact that those obamacare premium and deductible hikes were going out to millions of americans. i think it frightened them as well as it should have. so i'm glad president trump -- president-elect trump is delivering with his pick to repeal and replace obamacare. it was a job killing monster, we are going to have sensible health reform going forward. >> i'm looking at angela out of the corner of my eye shaking her bed. but before we get to that point it's fair to point out the criticisms because one question is how will this affect women's health specifically. planned parenthood is worried about that because we know he has talked about planned parenthood saying the clinics have been involved in what he calls barbaric abortion practices when the supreme court ruled on gay marriage last year
congressman price said "it was not only a sad day for muarriag but a destruction of our checks and balances." as a democrat, how do you feel? >> there's so many places to go with tom price, he's definitely smart. he's been a member of congress for some time. >> six term congressman. >> he's known for knowing the rules really really well. he was the guy that republicans went to for motions to recommit because he knew the floor procedure rules better than anybody else. the challenge is, as a doctor for him to be opposed to children's health insurance program, for him to want to privatize medicare which we know is a baseline conservative princip principle, it's also very, very challenging. he has voted to defund planned parenthood so i talked about the picks donald trump making are scary to me. what do you do with people who have insurance? 20 million people. we're not talking about two.
and this actually has been a job-creating measure. the affordable care act as has created health i.t. jobs, a substantial number of health i.t. jobs. so you've heard talk about repeal and -- >> angela that's -- >> i'm not done, steve. i'm not done. a lot of talk about repeal and replace and they got stuck at repeal, brooke, you're talking about folks who did that 60 plus times in congress. >> i know and i hear you but he has proposed multiple years in a row the empowering patients first act so at least this is something for republicans. they have someone who has specifics and recommendations as an m.d. but i hear you. steve, go ahead then i want to move on. >> i think regarding -- don't take my word for it that it was a job killing monster, take bill clinton's word for it who told us that on the campaign trail somewhat unwittingly talked about how punitive it was to small business. he called it "crazy." and when you talk about defunding planned parenthood as being scary, what i think is scary is the fact that the taxpayers pay for an organization which a great many
americans find reprehensible and that sells baby parts and that was a major part of our -- >> that's been debunked. >> come on, steve. >> we won -- >> come on, steve. >> we won on that message. >> karen, set us straight, please. >> if i could get to what i think is the main point is that many times during the campaign it was unclear whether donald trump himself understood obamacare really worked. this is not the case with tom pris. he very much does understand it. he understands the mechanisms and obviously trump has picked somebody who is going to be willing to do something that it's unclear trump himself has done which is sort of climb inside the machine and look at the gears and see how it's working. >> let me just stay with you, karen, because when you look at tom price and you look at elaine chao, you look at the potential picks for state, today's meeting with senator corker, the dinner with governor romney. do these folks sound like -- how
else do i say this? like drain-the-swamp people to you or no? >> well, elaine chao is married to the senate majority leader. >> mitch mcconnell. >> she will be the second wife of a senate majority leader to have been both labor secretary and transportation secretary for your trivia viewers. but it does suggest that in r if donald trump, for instance, does want to proceed on infrastructure spending, there are probably worse picks he could have made in getting this thing through congress than basically having the wife of the senate majority leader being in charge of spearheading it. so she's certainly an insider. but she's an insider who will give him leverage in getting things done he wants done. >> steve, let's move on. we played the sound with manu raju just chasing senator mccain down the hall way on the trump flag burning toss them in jail or lose your citizenship tweet and i have to ask and also
senator cruz echoed the same sentiment that no, of course no one likes watching a flag burn but it is protected under the first amendment. is this the future for republican senators to be answering for every little tweet, comment, moment that the president will make? >> no, and it doesn't have of the as senator mccain just explained to us. i rarely disagree with president-elect trump, i happen to disagree here. i don't think we need new laws or amendments to the constitution. i also disagree with hillary clinton who while she was senator voted for jail time for burning the flag. i think people who burn the flag are reprehensible and should be ignored and dismissed. speech is about words, we tell toddlers use your words rather than lash out. i would say that to anyone who wants to protest against either mr. trump, against the united states generally, use your words but i don't think we need new laws. >> angela, what do you think? >> i agree with steve here.
secretary of state. can we read into any tea leaves and the fact that mr. trump's wife and governor romney's wife will be part of this dinner. is this maybe a congratulatory situation or "i'm going to buy you dinner on the way out, thanks for playing." >> i'm going to swear off from trying to read tea leaves at all. all you know is it increases the drama, the suspense, maybe at the end of it he'll hand a rose to somebody, i don't know. but he has certainly increased the drama around this particular section. >> thank you for the laugh. karen, angela and steve, thank you all very much. coming up, let's talk about what's happening in tennessee. have you seen these pictures? dangerous wildfires and smoke coming precariously closely to the dollywood theme park, to hundreds of buildings, homes already being damaged or destroyed. at one point flames threatening a popular aquarium with some
1500 animals trapped inside. we'll have an update from someone who works there next. also, a tragic scene in the mountains of colombia. members of this up-and-coming brazilian soccer team among those killed in this plane crash but, incredibly. several people managed to survive. we have their story coming up. if you have medicare
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>> my husband out the door there was trees on fire in front of where we were at so we tried to get to our car and the smoke was so bad we couldn't, we covered our face with wet towels. >> widespread panic around gatlinburg, tennessee, as 14 wild fires are raging across the area. the mayor says half the city has been impacted including his own home. the pictures tell the story. look at this thick, thick smoke. flame engulfing more than 250 homes and businesses around gatlinburg, gutting some of them already. thousands are forced to leaf, just look at the destruction left behind in this eastern tennessee mountainside town. this is a resort town, a popular
tourist destination, gone. one man barely escaped, speeding what what looks like just a road engulfed in flames. watch. >> go, go, go, go. [ bleep ] these tires. go. >> i can't see. >> just it will the [ bleep ]ing gas, you're on pavement. [ bleep ]. it's on fire. [ bleep ]. >> he could barely see in front of him. nick valencia is there with us. you've been in the thick of it. tell me where you are and how bad it is in that neck of the woods. >> reporter: brooke, we're outside what is effectively the staging area for residents and vacationers in this area that have been evacuated. we're seeing a lot of drained
faces, people that have been through the unimaginable, a lot of people are still trying to process what they went through. some haven't slept. you talk about those that barely made it out alive. we're joined by two of those people who were asleep when police started e eed banging on door. you guys are convinced had cops not knocked on your door you might have died last night. how are you doing? >> well, we're doing great now. still pretty emotional. >> shook up. >> we know if they wouldn't have woke us up we would be dead. >> deni >>. >> reporter: denice, what happened when the police knocked on your door? what was going on? >> we started up out of the bed, cops banging on the door telling everyone to evacuate and we was just able to grab just whatever we could and got out. >> reporter: you grabbed what you're wearing right now essentially. >> and got out. >> as soon as i looked out the window to see who it was there was fire rounding us.
>> reporter: what are you going through right now? describe to the viewer here, they see the images and flames and what is a vibrant, beautiful area decimated. >> there's just no words. it's hard to comp hence. >> well, the biggest thing i would like to say, we had a friend, her husband passed away a couple months ago and she just made it out but her house is gone. so really i feel more sorry for her than anyone. >> reporter: you have a lot of friends in this area, i know you guys are going through a lot. what are you thinking when you're getting out of there, mark? >> well, when they put us in the back of the patrol car, there was fire out both sides and i mean it was crossing the street and we didn't think we'd make. >> it it was scary when you have flames all around you and everything. >> embers. >> you don't know what ember will fly at you. >> they were landing on the car.
everything. it was scary. >> what did you do last night? where did you sleep last night? did you sleep at all. >> i didn't sleep at all. >> i got a 20-minute nap. that's about it. >> i doubt i'll sleep tonight. >> reporter: we're outside here in what is the staging area and two minutes ago we saw a lady coming out of here bawling, crying, holding a dog. she'd just seen her home. are you trying to get back? what did they tell you about going back? >> we've heard a few different stories, we're thinking more like two to three days but we've heard up to five so we're not sure yet. >> we're not sure if our place will be there or not. i don't know. >> reporter: if it isn't, at least you have each other, you're engaged and you have something to look forward to. >> we'll start all over fresh, we might as well say. >> reporter: denice and mark, thank you for taking the time. thank you, brother. just a slice of life here outside of gatlinburg, brooke, just hard to low pressure to what those individuals went
through. the worst is other. that's the good news. last night those hurricane-force winds, the low humidity contributed to the intensity of the flames that started in the great smokey national mountain park. now the wind has died down but the smoke is very thick in the air and firefighters are expecting to host a press conference a couple hours from now where hopefully we'll get more details about what happens next in this community terribly hit hard by the wildfires. >> please thank them for us. it happens like this, not even know if you have a home to go home to. i cannot imagine. nick valencia, thank you very much. cnn has also learned 1500 animals tripped at ripley's aquarium are now safe so with me on the phone, ryan desere, he's the regional manager of that aquarium. ryan, i'm an animal lover and we'll get to your animals in just a second but i want to talk about humans like you, your employees do you know how
ef-affected you all are or your homes by these fires? >> thank you for asking that question. that means a lot, honestly it does. the answer is we're doing our best, some staff we haven't been able to contact, either they weren't at work or in the area. moirs have left this kind of part of the state for a while. the reason we're having some issues is cell phone communication is very bad in the city right now so it's hard to -- you can't even get on facebook and do anything like that so we were having issues with that however by and large we have an employee page and everybody that's checked in is in good shape. a lot of our employees' houses are in peril. i know at least one did lose her home last night and that just came across there and we're really thinking of her and i would like to say just to point
out those folks that are bat blg the fire, the first responders out there, they are amazing, they have done a job i can't even begin to imagine under really horrible circumstances. at one point wind gusts to 93 miles per hour at my home so i can only imagine what they were dealing with. >> thank you for mentioning them. you are 100% correct these men and women are putting themselves in harm's way. looking at these pictures, i'm glad you've been able to be in contact with some folks but as far as the animals, ryan, are they okay? i think we saw video shot from you so you can really see and feel that smoke at the aquarium. >> that was yesterday and nobody really knew what was going on. it was early in the morning and the winds were just starting to pick up. i had just gotten off a phone call and walked upstairs to our
plaza and see what was going on and that's when the video was shot. so we weren't sure of any circumstances. but we could feel it, the animals are okay, we're fine. no problems at all. we were worried about them last night i would probably say with certainty that we were the last ones in the city and our half dozen marine biologists we have there and support personnel were forced to leave by police escort and that was -- it was the right thing to do on their part but certainly their safety was par mount to us and they had to go and then we were the first ones back in the city today and largely thanks to the police efforts to allow us back in. we continue to thank them for that, us being able to get back and forth to that aquarium is primary. >> ryan, thank you for hopping on the phone, you have a lot more to do so i'll let you jump off but just look after yourself and your employees and those
animals as well. ryan desear at the ripley's aquarium of the smokies. let me read the statement. this is from dolly parton, this is the neck of the woods where dollywood is right there. she has said this "i've been watching the terrible fires in the great smokey mountains and i'm heartbroken. i'm praying for all the families affected by the fire and the firefighters who are working so hard to keep everyone safe. it's a blessing my dollywood theme park, resort and so many businesses in pigeon forge have been spared." that is tennessee. let's talk about ohio. horror at that campus in columbus at ohio state. the somali immigrant, the 18-year-old who attacked his classmates there reportedly ranted about the treatment of muslims in facebook postings. we have more on him and more on the police officer who stopped him. plus, president-elect trump tweeting this morning he thinks flag burners, american flag burners, should go to jail or
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shot and killed by police. he was an 18-year-old transfer student and somali native who emigrated to the u.s. two years ago. he was a legal permanent u.s. resident but police are investigating comments they believe he posted on facebook right before he did this, comments that detail grievances about targeting muslims, in part it reads "my brothers and sisters, i am sick and tires of seeing my fellow muslim brothers and sisters being killed and tortured everywhere, by allah we will not less you sleep until you give peace to the muslims. rosa flores is live in columbus. this is a piece perhaps of his men cal state going into this. what more have you learned about him and his family? >> brooke, i've been talking to somali community leaders here, one in particular who has been meeting with the family since this event and he tells me that the mother is, of course, very sad and grieving because of her son but is also worried about
the somali community and what this could mean for this community. as you were saying, police are trying to figure out the motive so i asked him ant that. what could drive this young man to do this. he said the suspect's mom describes the day yesterday as something very normal. he woke up, helped the family and came here to school, it was a very normal day until there was a door knock on the mother's door and that's how she found out about her son being the attacker. take a listen. >> the mother was very shocked and crying for her son and also crying for the somalis, the backlash. she was saying my son is gone but what i'm worried about is the rest of the somali community because there could be a collective blame where the community has nothing to do with it. >> as we all try to understand the why, why would someone do
this, i also asked this community leader about possible inspiration, was he inspired by somebody? did the mother know or have any clue or suspicions and the answer is no, brooke. he says the family is just as confused as everybody else. >> so while the motive is unclear, tell me about the police officer who jumped in and took him down. >> brooke, he is the hero in this case and in this university. he attended this university and he was interviewed by the university newspaper a while back when he joined the force and one of the things that stood out to me is that he was an engineering student and was so inspired by his work at the public safety office at the university that he switched majors, became a police officer and now imagine the blessings for all of the people that were perhaps saved because he
intervened. he was at the right place at the right time. two minutes, is what police say, it took him to stop the attacker. two minutes and for the people around him, they hail him a hero. >> two minutes is stunning and also the way the university sent that tweet and a text out to the students. it helped after talking to a couple of them. rosa, thank you very much in columbus. just a quick reminder to you, ohio state is holding a briefing at the victims of the attack. that's at the top of the hour, we want an update on how they're all doing. some of them still in the hospital so we'll bring that to you as it happens. next, donald trump is busy selecting top members of his cabinet, just spotted inside trump tower former vice president dan quayle. this as trump meets tonight with mitt romney. we also just learned who else will be at that dinner. more details coming up next.
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dinner. ann romney will be attending as well as melania trump. read into that what you like. meantime, a head-scratching tweet from president-elect trump. it reads "nobody should be allowed to bern the american flag. if they do there must be consequences, perhaps loss of citizenship or a year in jail. yeah, that tweet raising a lot of questions, not the least what is this at all related to? i can tell you that declaration was sparked by an incident at a small college in new hampshire. miguel marquez is cnn national correspondent here with what exactly happened there. miguel, fill us in. >> reporter: well, look, there's two things happening here at hampshire college in amherst, massachusetts. one is that there's a lot of bad information out there as well. there has been reported that all flags across campus have been banned. that's not true. that's a campus building there, the alumni office for ham shire
college and there are flags flying there. there is a single flagpole, the main flagpole in the center of campus where they are not allowing the flag to be flown at the moment because the day after the election students at lowered it to half-staff during a protest, unhappy with the rhetoric of the election, unhappy with the election result. the next night which happened to be the very early morning of veterans day student, still unhappy, burned the flag, the president of the college a week later decided no flag on that flagpole until they have a dialogue across this campus to figure it out. this while veterans groups became very upset because the flag had been burned on veterans day, because it wasn't flying at this campus. on sunday they mounted a big protest at the campus and then donald trump's tweet in the middle of this has that has taken what started off as a student protest and turned it into a national conversation.
in 1989 and 1990 the supreme court ruled and affirmed you can burn the flag, that is, in fact, free speech and in the constitution. the only thing that could undo that is a constitutional amendment which the government could possibly do but that's an extraordinarily difficult thing to do. where all this leaves hampshire college is that they are having a series of discussions. i happened to run into the president of the college today who said, look, we're talking about this, we hope to have it settled. other officials at the school say hopefully in the next couple days the flag will go back up, students will get back to work and the college here will get back to the process of learning. brooke? >> miguel, thank you for the setup and the genesis of this. now to the tweet and trump. a number of critics are calling this tweet a bright shiny object. others say it's a red herring suggesting it's a distraction from trump's unfounded allegations of voter fraud or even perhaps a diversion from the cabinet picks he is making right now in his twrransition t
become our 45th president. whatever the reasoning, the tweet brings up important constitutional issues about the first amendment and the man to discuss them with is jeff rye to be bin and -- jeffrey toobin. we've heard from senator mccain, senator cruz, no one wants to see the american flag burned. >> of course. >> it's a deplorable act but you are protected within the first amendment. have people challenged that through the years? i imagine it has a checkered past. >> it was a hot issue in the '80s and '90s, flag burning. that was a big social issue people talked about a lot but the court settled the issue in 1989 and '90 with these very clear opinions that said as mump as we find this behavior distasteful, it's protected by the first amendment. there have been occasional
discussions of constitutional amendments to overrule the supreme court but they've never gotten very far. and certainly for the last decade this has been a settled issue which is why i think people were surprised by the president-elect's tweets last night. >> so it would take a constitutional amendment. i'm just thinking of -- i know there are people thinking is there any way or anything, he will be the president, that he could do? he's talked about opening up libel laws and tossing people into jail. if he doesn't like flag burning -- >> there's nothing he can do. >> there's nothing he can do. >> there's another legal mistake in that tweet which is -- >> throw the tweet back up again, please. >> here let's look at the tweet itself. "perhaps loss of citizenship." the supreme court has also said that that cannot bt a penalty for any crime. you can't be, you can't lose your citizenship. you can lose your right to vote, you can lose your freedom by going to jail but you cannot be sentenced to loss of your
citizenship which is just another aspect of the legal problems with the tweet but i don't think the president-elect is thinking deep legal thoughts about this. this is obviouslien issue people feel emotionally about even though it's sort of antique by this point. >> understand kbli so. >> absolutely and a lot of his supporters i think will be encouraged by this. what affect it has, what meaning it has, why he did it, greater minds than i will have to answer that question. >> i can't imagine that. >> like you. >> even the late supreme courtus antonin scalia who we've heard trump praise said flag burning is protected by the first amendment. here was the late justice in 2012. >> burning the flag is a form of expression. speech doesn't just mean written words or oral words. burning a flag is a symbol that expresses an idea.
>> does this go anywhere from here or riles up supporters and that's about it? >> you have to tell me what he's going to tweet next and then i'll tell you where he goes from here. >> i cannot do that. >> i bet you can't but i think the overwhelming likelihood is this will fade away. and his motivations, was he trying to detract attention away from something? it seems to me his cabinet selections are going as he would like so i don't know why he would be trying to detract attention from them. >> we're talking about it, four minutes worth, he 's the president-elect. jeffrey toobin, thank you very much. no smarter legal minds than you, by the way. coming up, more on this tragedy in the colombian jungle. the plane carrying a brazilian soccer team crashes. more than 70 people killed but miraculously several manage to survive. what we know and this incredible cinderella story of this team. also ahead, we are back at trump
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the sports world is mourning after a plane carrying this popular brazilian soccer team crashes in colombia in south america killing nearly everyone on board. this accident brings an end to really the cinderella story of this underdog team that has captured the hearts of soccer fans around the world. cnn's senior latin affairs correspondent rafael romo tells their story. >> reporter: a devastating site. a colombian soccer plane crashed into the town in medellin. the aircraft was carrying 81 passengers and crew, including more than 20 journalists and the brazilian soccer team chapecoense.
search efforts have been difficult due to ruggled mountains. chapecoense was on their way to colombia to compete in the first leg of the south american cup finals. the team took a commercial flight from sao paulo, brazil, to santa cruz, bolivia, where they picked up this charter flight. they were headed to the airport in rionegro colombia when it went down. according to officials, the pilot declared an emergency a few minutes before the crash saying he was having an electrical failure on board. satellite images show scattered showers and thunderstorms moving through the area at the time of the crash which would have caused some in-flight turbulence. however it will take some time for investigators to determine the cause of the crash. the colombian air force had to abort their mission to the site due to poor visibility. chapecoense had just celebrated a win last wednesday. the team has been described as a cinderella story, having surprised many with their winning performance in recent
years, making it to ninth place in brazil's tier 1 league with. the brazilian national civil aviation agency says they denied the charter request of the low livian la mia corporation from sao paulo, brazil, to medellin, colombia. why? apparently it didn't comply with international regulations. rafael romo, cnn. >> rafael, thank you so much. coming up next, new faces at trump tower including former vice president dan quayle. here he is walking in with kellyanne conway. we're live outside trump tower at the top of the hour where we know cabinet selections are under way right now. we'll have the latest. also ahead, the 18-year-old somali immigrant who attacked his classmates on campus in ohio reportedly ranted about the treatment of muslims on facebook we have new details today on this 18-year-old and about the police officer who stopped him. i work 'round the clock.
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we're talking about men's suits, andrea. >> men's suits at $25,000 a pop. i don't know. peter alexander, you know more about men's suits than i do. you can also tell me about donald trump's tweets, because this has been a storm of tweets today and it's been a rather creative one. he is also tweeting about al capone. he wrote, looking back on history, who is treated worse, alphonse capone, legendary mob boss, killer, and public enemy number one, or paul manafort, political operative and reagan/dole darling, now serving solitary confinement although convicted of nothing. where is the russian collusion? i'm not sure who his target is there. >> reporter: andrea, the president has a series of targets today, one that's clear is attorney general jeff sessions in some of those earlier tweets when the president went further than he has been, more explicit than he has been at any point, basically calling on sessions to stop the russia investigation.
to the jury. but don't forget, you're also going to have rick gates who is manafort's right-hand man during all of this time period and all of this conduct, who is also going to testify. and what he will be able to do is really lead the jury through a lot of this documentary evidence. i think this is a very, very difficult defense for paul manafort. i think at the end of the day, the government has a strong case. and unless something goes sort of haywire with the jury, which can always happen with any jury, i would expect a conviction. >> and of course the defense, the main defense, which we will hear after the first week and a half or whenever they do get to the defense, the defense's argument is rick did it. they're going to try to muddy up the key star witness who has made a plea deal and is cooperating with the prosecution. dan, to what do you think -- and i'm going to ask peter as well about this -- to what do you think we can attribute the president's firestorm as well as
rudy giuliani, there's been a real increase, an escalation in the attacks against mueller and now sessions today. why now? manafort is not on trial in this case about anything that had to do with russia and donald trump. >> andrea, i think there are a couple of things that the president and his team are seeing, where they're starting to feel the collusion investigation closing in a little bit more. and prosecutors don't believe in coincidences. it's not a coincidence that not eve of the manafort trial and as the manafort trial is getting going, even though it's unrelated to the collusion investigation, that we're getting this rudy giuliani media tour, and we're getting donald trump's most overt and obstructionist tweets to date. it's not a surprise. and what i think they are sensing is, when you start to add up a lot of the data points, and i'll just point out a couple, the july 27th, 2016 date
when the president calls for russia to find the e-mails and then the mueller indictment of the russian intelligence officials says that on that very date they started mining for data, and then when you look at the sequence of events related to that june 9th trump tower meeting, and guiliani for the first time informs the public about a pre-meeting, a pre-meeting where, by the way, cooperating witness rick gates attended, i think that what they're starting to get a sense of, and it may be from paul manafort's lawyers who have a lot of information about what rick gates told mueller, i think they're starting to see there's a lot more smoke to this collusion investigation. and that's why you're seeing the president lash out as forcefully as he ever has at this investigation. an innocent person would say, please finish this so we can move on, i want to get to the bottom of it. but that's the exact opposite of what he's saying.
>> and peter alexander at the white house, there's a different tempo right now. i mean, you've been reporting on it for a couple of days. we've certainly seen it in the last week. and the rally last night. >> reporter: yeah, andrea, i think that's right. i was asking this very question of several sources close to the president today, why now, why is he out with this latest twitter tirade as we've witnessed this morning. one of these sources described to me, the president simply feels emboldened right now, supported by the rally he had last night, celebrated by the large crowd in tampa. many sources said to me there's really not anybody inside the room in the west wing anymore that can tell the president, no, that's not entirely new. but it is significant right now because as the president sees the headlines, watching fox news, as he travels back from tampa, sees the criticism not just of the press but also of the case against paul manafort, it infuriates him again. he has a sense, according to
these sources, he's getting roped into this manafort investigation, that he's caught in the top paragraph of every story when it has nothing to do with him, all these charges preceded manafort's time working with the trump campaign. he simply views that as unfair. now, obviously that says nothing of the other things the mueller investigation has come up with so far within the last month, obviously, indicting 12 russians for their involvement in russian interference in the u.s. election. but that's a little bit of a glimpse into the president's mindset. >> and ken dilanian in alexandria outside the courthouse, what else do we expect besides high end men's fashion today? >> reporter: in addition to fashion, we're talking about expensive renovations to homes, andrea, watches, a jacket made of ostrich. i've just been told prosecutors have said in the courtroom that rick gates may or may not testify. they're not saying he definitely will testify, which is interesting, because the defense has portrayed him as the store witness. of course he's never been the star witness.
manafort and gates were indicted together and the prosecution was prepared to make this case well before rick gates decided to cooperate. but now that he has cooperated, as dan was saying earlier, it was thought he would be able to lead the jury through some of these facts and give his perspective on what i thought manafort was doing with the finances, but now the prosecution is saying it may or may not happen. >> who knows whether they're holding him out for a surprise later. to be continued. ken dilanian, daniel goldman, and of course peter alexander at the white house. coming up next, president trump's gaffe about buying groceries doesn't exactly check. that's ahead right here on "andrea mitchell reports" right here on msnbc. and diarrhea can start in the colon, and may be signs of an imbalance of good bacteria. only phillips' colon health has this unique combination of probiotics. it helps replenish good bacteria. get four-in-one symptom defense.
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minorities, the president's claim that people need i.d.'s to buy groceries sparked criticism from some who wondered how out of touch the billionaire president just might be. joining me now is ruth marcus, "washington post" deputy editorial page editor, and bill kristol, editor at large for "the weekly standard." ruth, we go from bijon suits at $25,000 a shot, to voter i.d.'s. this has been quite an interesting example of the testimony in alexandria and now of course the trump tweets and the trump speeches. >> yes. i don't know where president trump shops, but i kind of suspect that he doesn't. and you and i, and by the way, congratulations on the 40-year anniversary, that's incredible. >> thanks. >> it was less than 40 years ago, but a long time ago, that
president george h.w. got in a heap of trouble for allegedly and perhaps unfairly not understanding a supermarket scanner and how that worked. this is basic, go to the bodega around the corner, go to your local supermarket, you don't need i.d. but more fundamentally, insisting on voter i.d.'s, there is no evidence of massive or even significant voting by noncitizens in u.s. elections. so he should really just stop. >> remember the election commission, bill and ruth, that they created. >> yes. >> and it fell flat, they could never even get a meeting together. there was simply no evidence of the massive fraud that he consistently alleges. >> we run elections on a federal system, states run elections. in virginia i did show my driver's license when i voted. others thing it's too strict.
it's been debated in the virginia legislature. i'm old enough to remember when republicans tended to think these things should be left to the states. the federal government has a role to play to assist security, but trump is just demagoguing this, obviously. the tweets this morning, those are pretty serious. he seems to be intensifying the attack on mueller. one thing that occurs to me is the senate judiciary committee did report out, 14-7, a bill that would go some ways towards protecting mueller. it wouldn't be a bad thing for mcconnell bring it to the floor. maybe chuck schumer should insist on it. it's important for the congress to not let trump talk himself into thinking he can get away with crippling this investigation. i think he would pay a pretty big price. he seems emboldened. it would be bad to have that constitutional crisis. >> it would be bad for the republicans, there's no question this would become a midterm
issue. he's gone after the media, this is a favorite target, we saw that during the campaign. we saw during the campaign, ruth, "the washington post" and other organizations were barred from those rallies and had to come in with the public and try to cover them as best they could. let's listen to a bit of donald trump last night in tampa, florida, blasting the media. >> fake news. fake news. they are fake. every night it's the same thing. wouldn't you think they would get tired of these speeches? wouldn't you think? >> and jim acosta has been a frequent target. he is the white house correspondent, of course, for cnn. cnn and nbc and others have also been targets. but jim acosta posted a video, we've cleaned this up a little bit, we've had to bleep out all the profanity, the trump supporters at that rally, egged on by the president, going after jim acosta.
[ yelling ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> so that's the view from one correspondent, one network correspondent, ruth, of what it's like to cover a trump rally last night. >> so it was bad enough, and honestly it was scary enough at times, when president trump was just candidate trump. but for a president of the united states to be repeatedly not just elevating this fake news argument but to be talking about reporters as the enemy of the people, to be egging this on, to be egging it on in
particular in the aftermath of the murders in annapolis, it's somewhere between appalling and heartbreaking. we are becoming too much inured to it. meanwhile we're becoming inured to the absence of presidential news conference. he's had one real news conference as president. i think there were three briefings by the white house press secretary last month. this is not normal. it's not okay. and it is of a piece with this sort of more public and virulent and scary attack on the media as well. >> let's just say, bill kristol, all the presidents i covered, all of them didn't like the media, they certainly didn't like us when we were questioning them and going after issues, iran/contra, other scandals, lewinsky. but they all understood there should be press conferences, there should are interactions, that was part of the process,
that's what you buy into when you become president of the united states. it's what we advertise when we're preaching democracy to other countries, to totalitarians regimes. to see this encouraged, it is dangerous because it undermines our basic values. >> i thought your phrase "egging it on" was key for me. we've had presidents grumble about the media, occasionally try to rebuke the media, say you're wrong about this, or once let out a scream of exasperation publicly. but not this consistent egging on of mobs, which is really what that crowd becomes when it's egged on that way by the president, to shout obscenities and profanities and try to intimidate, basically, the media. what does this look like? what if you're living abroad, what isser er iamerica is the government you would like to have, rule of law, free media, and you see it turning into the kind of place immigrants have on
tried to escape to get to the united states from. it's very bad in so many ways, i think. >> we're going to talk about the real fake news, which is a national security issue because it's russia, it's russia using social media to spread dissent and spread propaganda under false flags. that's coming up next. so perhaps the president and his team should be looking more closely at a real threat to our national security. ruth marcus and bill kristol, thank you both so much. coming up, social media. the senate hears heightened warnings about russia's attempt to influence this year's election. that hearing today. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. i'm a fighter. always have been. when i found out i had age-related macular degeneration,
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the senate intelligence committee today reacting to the latest attempts to influence america's elections. the senate intelligence committee holding that hearing on foreign influence in social media after 32 pages and account profiles were removed from facebook and instagram in response to an online disinformation campaign to spark political divisions in the u.s. facebook executives tell federal investigators they are not sure who is behind the latest effort but senators are certainly looking at the kremlin. >> i'm very pleased that facebook took this action and i hope that all social media platforms continue to actively counter russia's foreign influence campaign. i have no question that it's going on. and i have no question that it is related to more than just election interference. >> joining me now is nbc senior business reporter ben popkin and ned price, former senior
director of president obama's national security council. this is a very complicated subject but it certainly would seem to get to the bottom of it, you have to have a government-wide approach led by the national security council, which we have not seen. they're in it belatedly for just under an hour on friday, their first meeting on that subject. ben popkin, what did you find out about what russia is likely doing? >> what we saw described in the hearing, what we've been seeing for over a year is their continued ability to sow disinformation and discord. we found posts from these fake accounts that facebook deleted. they were identified as being linked to foreign influence meddling. what this foreign power is doing is gathering people into different groups based on their identity, based on whether they're into black issues, based
on whether they're into resistance and left wing issues. once they draw people in with these innocuous calls, then they start pounding them with much more divisive political messages, trying to push their buttons, trying to push them to act. and even in some cases encouraging them to attend rallies, at those rallies to bring helmets, goggles, flags, telling them they'll make the opposition pay. this is a widespread campaign that is ongoing, that is spreading information, misinformation not just online but also seeping into the real world. >> and ned, we saw this during the 2016 campaign after the fact, and the kremlin was certainly -- well, the russian operatives were indicted first for this false information campaign by mueller and now more recently for the hacking. so we now hear that senator shaheen and claire mccaskill were both hacked by that same fancy bear, the same operatives that had done the 2016 hacking.
it seems as though this is an all-out approach. >> the russians are at it again, and they are going back to the very same playbook. it's the same dual-pronged approach, not only using these internet trolls on twitter and facebook, as we've seen, but also pursuing what they consider to be valuable intelligence targets. in this case, three campaigns, we learned from microsoft in aspen a few weeks ago. there's something particularly instructive about what we've learned from this facebook case, that's how it was broken, how it was involved. i heard from those involved in the forensics of this, that it was close cooperation between law enforcement and the intelligence community, between the government and private sector in this case. that's what we need more of. that's how we're going to inoculate ourselves against this, how we're going to identify these efforts. but the problem, andrea, is that this is not something that the administration has prioritized. as you know, they held their first national security council meeting on election security
last friday, 18 months into the administration was the first time president trump sat down with his team on this issue. and that's not going to protect us going forward. >> and ben, how difficult is it to penetrate these false trolls? >> well, it can be very difficult. the whole name of the game for trolls and russian disinformation is plausible deniability. they want to make it so you can't trace it back to them. in this case it looked like facebook was able to connect the administrators of these fake facebook groups with people, with accounts that had already been identified as being connected to the ira in previous attempts. so they had this little technical trick that they were able to do to identify it. but there's going to be other cases out there that we don't even know about. and that's the problem, that facebook is this closed platform. the uk parliament released a scathing report last week about facebook. one of the things they're
calling for is an audit, an audit of facebook, of its algorithm, of its systems. and they said in the report that we cannot allow facebook to, quote, continue to mark up its own homework. as long as we're relying on platforms to self-police, it seems we're not going to be getting very good results. we may have only heard about these pages because there was a little bit of dirty laundry floated before this hearing to show, hey, guys, we're making good, we're on the case. but without some kind of, you know, regulatory crackdown or cohesive response from the people demanding some kind of action, we're really left to wait for facebook to tell us what facebook is doing wrong. and that's clearly not enough. >> and ned, you are in the nsc in the obama white house. did you see this happening in real time? did you try to stop it? >> well, we saw a precursor to this, andrea, and that was the spread of isil propaganda, terrorist propaganda on these
platforms, not only facebook but twitter and youtube and instagram, all the same platforms we're talking about today. the key in that case is the same in this case. as i was saying before, it's cooperation between the executive branch, between the government, the public sector, and these private sector entities. it's sharing those analytics. it's sharing the forensics so the federal government can come in and identify in this case these russian trolls, this russian prop begaganda, and rem it. it's something that if we're going to be able to fight this, we need to see more drive from the administration on this. >> ned price, thank you so much. ben popken, thanks very much for being on top of that today. coming up, almost home. the remains of what could be americans killed during the korean war on the way to hawaii today to be met by the president tonight. two in one?
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confirm to nbc that north korea is continuing to produce ballistic missiles. joining me now is jeffrey lewis, director of the east asia nonproliferation program at midd middlebury institute for international studies. jeffrey lewis, congratulations on the book, thanks for being with us today. let's talk about -- >> it's a pleasure. >> -- the repatriation ceremony was long-awaited, the last ceremony was in 2007 when i was in pyongyang on that mission. and we don't know and we will not know until they do this very complicated forensic study as to how to pair this up with people who are missing and unaccounted for. there are 5,300 americans missing from that war zone. we're talking about 55, not the 200 that kim jong-un promised in
singapore at the summit. >> yes. well, you know, one wants to take this very seriously. and every single rema maimain t get back is worthwhile, and that's worth doing. but, you know, i think we have to put this in the broader context of negotiations. what we've seen from the north koreans are a series of goodwill gestures which are welcome, but they fall far short of north korea agreeing to give up their nuclear weapons. and i think we're pretty far away still from having a normal relationship with north korea that isn't controlled by, you know, the constant changing of threats. >> let's play the president last night at the rally in tampa, florida, a political rally. this is what he had to say about north korea. >> we're doing well in north korea. we have our -- as you know, we have our hostages back. there's been no nuclear testing. there's been no missiles or
rockets flying beautifully over japan. i think our relationship is very good with chairman kim. and we'll see how it all works out. but there's nothing like talking. >> so he's doing somewhat of a victory lap, talking about the progress made in singapore. yet there are no concrete results. as you and i have been talking, we understand there are satellite photos that have been verified that show what is likely more ballistic missile production, could be long range missiles that we know can reach the continental united states including the east coast. >> yes. you know, one of the interesting things is when the new year started, kim jong-un, the leader of north korea, said that north korea would mass produce ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons. and everything we see when we look at satellite photographs is consistent with that. north koreans continue to show up for work. their vehicles are taking things
in and out of these facilities. many of these facilities are being expanded. on some level we're all glad that the president wasn't threatening north korea the same way he was last year, we all found that pretty frightening. but what's changed has not been north korea's behavior. it's just that the president has simply decided to tell people he has solved the problem. >> and what about inspectors? because they were kicked out more than a decade ago. >> well, that's right. one of the interesting things is, we're doing this work here at my institute in the same way that the u.s. intelligence community does its work, which is staring from afar. there are real limitations on what you can know. so although we found two centrifuge facilities that enrich uranium for nuclear weapons, we suspect there are probably more. and so while what north korea has done i think does fall into the category of a goodwill
gesture, there have been no inspectors or other means to independently verify that there has been any change in north korea's stated plan to expand the number of nuclear missiles that can hit the united states. >> and very briefly, what is the risk if the president praises them for living up to promises when they aren't? >> so, you know, i am not one of these people who gets all tied up in knots over, you know, letting the north koreans get away with murder, because the north koreans are going to get away with murder. the scenario i worry about is, what happens when we get passive the midterms and it becomes clear that kim jong-un is not giving up his nuclear weapons? we've already seen the president turn on other world leaders like the prime minister of canada. would he lash out and blame kim jong-un? i think that's the kind of scenario which i outlined in the novel, to be frank, where the kind of hope of 2018 curdles
into really bitter resentment and then things could get very dangerous. >> jeffrey, thank you very much. thanks for being with us today. we'll be right back.
the president's legal team is responding to his tweet against attorney general jeff sessions in a new interview with "the washington post," saying, quote, the president has issued no order of the department of justice on this. trump's lawyer says the president is allowed to, press his opinion on twitter. the president uses tweets to express his opinion and adding trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani, added that he's carefully on using the word "should." >> phil, you talked to your team who has talked to the white house lawyers. this is their explanation, this is when a threat is not a threat. there is a bit of a clean up effort here underway by trump's lawyer to explain this tweet
when he calls on sessions to end the probe. that should not be interpreted as an order from the president rather sort of voicing publicly of his personal opinion and they tried to make the case that this is something that the president does regularly on twitter and that he was careful to not issue any sort of directive order to the attorney general. >> we should point out tweets are apart of the official records. >> they are absolutely are. >> they are presidential documents. he makes decisions on twitter and he fired rex tillerson on a monday morning on twitter. we have to take him seriously or at least some of them seriously. is this an effort to get him down? and including senator blumenthal
saying this was evidence of obstruction? >> this is all about obstruction of justice. the president's lawyers saying his tweets may got himself into a little bit of illegal issue here. he's not saying much. he's not giving a direct order which means he's not obstructing justice. we all have to remember that robert mueller is looking at obstruction of justice as apart of this investigation of this cloud that's hanging over the white house today and duration of this president's presidency. people are very nervous. president trump likes people that could adjust quickly. okay, if this is what we are going this morning, we have to make sure it is in a row and he's not physically trying to stop mueller from doing his job which would be a big deal if he did that. >> and as you allude to, mueller is looking at presidential tweets as part of the possibility of an obstruction
investigation. >> yes. that's right. these tweets are presidential statements and the white house said that and made it clear early on in donald trump's presidency. these are official statements of the government of the white house. there are windows of the president's state of mind in realtime. the documentary that the president provides on twitter, helps explain his thinking as he's making these decisions like firing comey and today the attorney general should end the russia investigation and it becomes the narrative that the special counsel team can stitch together to show obstruction of justice if that's what they concluded at the end. >> it teed up the sarah sanders' briefing minutes from now. she only had three in july and they were brief. it was less than an hour i believe all told from the white house podium. were you preposition to go into
that briefing? >> she did not offer follow-up questions. there were a lot of frustration i suspect. >> today the white house announced that the briefings have been moved to 1:15. already we are limited of 30 minutes. that is if it starts on time. sarah sanders are going to face questions why the president is tweeting jeff sessions should stop and robert mueller should be doing his work. all of my sources tell me that he knows it will be hard to fire jeff sessions because he would not be able to confirm another attorney general so he stuck with someone he does not want to work with and you see his anger boils over twitter. we'll see a lot more of this. >> phil rucker, your reporting of john kelly, the chief of
staff who he expresses frustration with, in a different light. after this one year anniversary, he's telling the staff that he's staying. >> that's right. it is an effort to try to end what had been pretty rapid speculations and administration of kelly expected demise. their relationships have stabilized at the moment. kelly told senior staff on monday that the president asked him to stay throughout 2020. that could all change. personnel moves and there is constaco constant changes in the white house. there is quite a chatter of who in the white house could succeed him. >> phil rucker and thank you so
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GovernmentPaul-manafortEvidenceJuryBijon-suitsPhotosAccountInvoicesMoneyCyprusCaseRussianat this perception that the u.s. is standing by as the civilian death toll in gaza mounts and mounts, and now there is just disbelief in many arab countries that the u.s. moving in so decisively in yemen to respond to missiles being fired as cargo ships, but seemingly in the eyes of many ordinary people in arab countries doing little as children, women, civilians die inside of gaza. the houthis remain defiant. they say that they are going to continue shooting at cargo ships in the red sea. they say they are going to retaliate against the united states directly. i can tell you there was a lot of concern in saudi arabia, yemen's neighbor right now, that as the houthis lash out, it could be saudi that is in their sights. we have seen the houthis attack saudi oil facilities in the past. we have seen the saudis struggle to defend themselves against these barrages of missiles,
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