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Ryan lizza and laura coat, and when we talk about prepping for an interview, what would that look like initially? >> well, the parameters of what it would look like and how it would take place and is it going to be with an interview of ko counsel who is allowed to be present with president trump or in front of the grand jury, and the lat ser not the ideal scenario for the president of the the united states, because in the grand jury, he has the potential to go rogue and not have attorneys in the...