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Be held in those states. rosen says he shut trump down. then on january 3rd, trump called georgias secretary of state telling him quote, i just want to find 11,780 votes, which of course is the exact number of votes trump would need to have overturned georgias results. imagine that. he actually called and asked him to do that and on that call, trump referred to a quote never trumper u.s. attorney who is now believed to be b.j. pac, the u.s. attorney for the northern district of georgia. the day ...

It could save some time for it to actually get in front of the committee. he would argue executive privilege, for example, claim, that the conversations were protected and so forth. >> the house select committee looking into january 6th does not have to have sign-off from republicans, right? so is there potential that maybe meadows would need to speak with them? >> i think theres certainly that potential. you can expect meadows to go to court. weve seen this time and time again from former trump...

Neal, it has gone from being the sort of happen hazard attempt that there are people who are not willing to call it a coup attempt into something that very much was a coup attempt. it was an absolute plan that involved people at the highest levels of our government and now weve got this b.j. pac and we dont know exactly what his role was but he disappeared after donald trump called the secretary of state to ask him to change around some votes in georgia and tomorrow hes going to be interviewed. ...

And well see how they ultimately put 24 tothis togeth. see if biden can -- this test. >> manu raju, thank you. johning us john harwood and senior political analyst john avalon. so, yes, big road ahead as manu just laid out for us. john avalon, we cant ignore the historical significance here. how big of an accomplishment is this for president biden at this point in his first year? >> huge, and i think thats the way to think about this. what are the historical comps if any to this? i dont think an...

Resign? what were the contacts between trump and the justice department and most importantly to get to your question, we dont know where the justice department right now stands on this. we dont know what merrick garland is doing about this. as we speak, the justice departments investigating and prosecuting all sorts of low level drug dealing across this country and, you know, here we have one of the most hugest crimes imaginable, disinfranchising millions of people and we dont know where the jus...

Inspires me having been here for ten years and watched a lot of dysfunction is how weve come together. now the first measure was bipartisan and were moving on to assess the human needs and i think we can come together. i think its an exciting, extraordinary once in a generation opportunity. we all have that sense about it. >> senator, appreciate your time, thank you. i want to go to laura coats, a former federal prosecutor. based on what senator described and what b.j. pak said in the intervie...

Classrooms. these are the issues that will determine what happens in 2022. not big, bold, transformative policies like lbj. they are betting on the wrong capulet. >> lawrence: they say they want to live. that is russian roulette now with our safety. and that is going to be the issue i think of the next election. thank you all so much for coming on the program. coming up, if democrat leaders want to step up to combat the surge in violence across the country, who will? we joined two heroes doing t...

Civil lawyer who evidently was in cahoots with trump, did he play any role in this? you know, the night before he resigned, the acting deputy attorney general had a phone call with you, what was in that phone call? what was discussed? most importantly, you know, b.j. resigns on january 4th the day after it was revealed that trump pressured georgia secretary of state to find me 11,780 votes. so i want to know basically did pac know about that and what was his reaction to that and was his resignat...

Trumps m.o. was to appoint people like b.j. to be obscured and not very prominent lawyers and lean on them to do his dirty work. now pac it looks like, we dont know but looks like he wasnt willing to do that and you know, if he acted differently, if, yo jeffrey rosen acted differently. if any of these people, just a couple of them, changed their mind, everything could be different and we could literally have had a coup, which is why an investigation is so, so important. not a political one, as y...

Trump and top allies, pressure campaign to overturn joe bidens win in 2020, senate judiciary chir man dick durbin wants to interview trumps former chief of staff, mark meadows. the committee obtained documents showing meadows sent five emails to acting attorney general jeffrey rosen asking him to look into false election fraud claims. this comes as former u.s. attorney in atlanta b.j. pox is set to testify today. he suddenly resigned in january as trump ramped up attacks on georgias election res...