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head of the roman catholic church addressing congress. what a striking sight he was, the light reflecting off his white robes. and chris matthews listening along with us. chris, he went there on issues from arms control to climate to equality to poverty, to human life, to fundamentalism, in tracing the lives of lincoln, king, day and merton. i think he was creating or structuring a spiritual mt. rushmore there for modern catholicism and a modern sense of values. i mean, clearly lincoln and martin luther king were no surprise in that mt. rushmore, but to bring in dorothy day, a woman of the catholic left, certainly the catholic progressive left who did so much for poverty and almost found a catholic version of marxism in a sense, very much concerned about inequality and the people who were trodden down in the cities of america. thomas merton has been a great force for a lot of people who have been in the recovering
spiritual booster shot for people who care about public service. i am moved by the fact that he decided to address our congress. americans look at our congress. he believes in the importance of public service here and i hope that our public servants are buoyed by that in a spiritual and lasting way and i think that s what he s going to try to do. that s what i m most hoping for. chris matthews, same question. well, i hope we re a better america after this. we re having a hard time in this country politically. the intellectual political violence in our conversations has got i don t know worse. the demonization of the other side s gotten worse. the moral superiority of each argument, even as ragged as
it was a pastoral message. our colleague, anne thompson, as you know, better than anyone, been traveling with the pope and says that he wasn t going to scold or lecture congress, and he didn t. but he tried to uplift and bring people to their best natures, and bridging all of the divides, i think so brilliantly and deftly, as you and chris have been mentioning. the pause at john kerry is significant because this pope has been a very strong supporter of both the iran negotiations and, of course, a secret mediator on the cuba diplomacy. and he credits john kerry and the administration with that. but certainly in his comments about the dignity of human life at every stage, that was a very important reaffirmation of his traditional of the church on this subject, the fact that he went to the little sisters of the poor who are suing the obama
congress, as no pope had ever done before, although they ve been offered because, you know, we re so used to seeing the setting mainly presidents giving state of the union addresses with laundry lists of things they want from congress and the american people. and the same thing with foreign leaders. you know, the first modern example of this was winston churchill, as you know, after pearl harbor, calling on americans to help the british win world war ii. but the interesting thing to me was how much really, in a way, this address resembled a state of the union in that he gave a very strong idea of what his moral values are, whom he admires, the americans he admires in history, but at the same time, very specific suggestions on what we americans in congress should do from abolishing the death penalty to the environment and foreign policy. and the last thing, brian, we know from recent popes that a number of them, especially john paul and ronald reagan, have worked quietly together to mak
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