it s humiliating. you think that s what her silence is? you think her silence is saying that? i think so, andcass canceling the davos trip on their 13th wedding anniversary, the inauguration tweet where she s with a marine and not her husband, i think all these things add up. not moving to the white house immediately was unpress departmented. five mows after he moved in, she monthed in. then of course the fact that they have separate bedrooms. they re the first presidential couple since the kennedys to sleep in separate bedrooms in the white house. i think it says a lot. it often takes first ladies a while to figure out what kind of initiatives they want to have. i think michelle obama, it took her quite a while to figure out exactly what she wanted to do. is it possible that melania trump is simply in that phase right now? i don t think so. i mean they have far fewer staff than michelle obama had. it did take her about a year, you know, to come up with the let s move campaign,
but she doesn t like being in washington. she doesn t like politicians. i think she feels like her personality, her honesty and frankness is just ill fitted to being a kind of smooth-talking politician. maybe just like barack obama is. so kate, you study first ladies. how will michelle obama be remembered? well, i would add to what abby s point. i thought it was remarkable she went to bed before the election results were out. that says a lot about michelle obama. i think she was steeling herself to the results, but she went to bed before she found out what was happening on election night. i think she ll be remembered as a very traditional first lady. she did a lot of good with the let s move campaign, shining a spotlight on military families. as the first african-american first lady, you know, it s truly remarkable. she was a role model to so many, you know, young girls in this country who had never seen somebody in that position who was african-american.
with his freedom loving partners to eradicate terrorism across the globe. in case the flurry of statements was not enough, he also took to his favored medium twitter to continue to express his concern about these terror attacks. he invoked not just what happened in turkey as well as in berlin, but he also pointed to an attack in switzerland where a gunman opened fire on a mosque there. he said today there were terror attacks in turkey, switzerland, and germany, and it is only getting worse. the civilized world must change thinking. so chris, it tells you that even though donald trump is the president-elect, even though he s heading to the white house, clearly not adopting this sort of dose of caution about whether to get ahead of investigators and immediately label these attacks by radical islamic terrorism. we saw him do this throughout the campaign. clear he s going to do it throughout the transition as well. sara, thank you very much for all that reporting. let s discuss it with o
for you. this is the moment where first lady michelle obama explains what motivated her to speak so candidly against donald trump during the campaign. basically, it s the access hollywood hot mike moment where he was caught talking about forcing himself on women. so listen to this. a candidate for the presidency speaking in such terms about women, as i said, was not a normal thing. so my response, you know, in light of what i was seeing from my female staff, what i was hearing from my daughters, their reaction to it, for me required a different kind of response. you can t just stand before people and just give a regular political speech. kate, when about that? she sort of broke ranks with previous first ladies to give a more forceful speech. well, i thought it was really interesting. we remember back when she did the late show after melania
it s still at the forefront of her mind. i think there s a distinction. she s made this distinction between the transition in the white house, the bush white house to the obama white house, and the transition in washington, which i think we can still assume for donald trump is going to be fairly contentious and kind of acrimonious. but i think she s trying to signal to folks who will listen to her that it s important to not do what they did in 2008 and 2009 going into the obama administration, to not follow the republican example for how to deal with an incoming president. for the democrats who are willing to listen, that s an important message. they re trying to decide what kind of tact do we take towards donald trump? how do we deal with this man who during the campaign we argued was unfit for the presidency? and she s making it clear where she stands on that. kate, i want to play another portion of this oprah interview