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Call, the president tells the president of ukraine to work directly with mr. giuliani. its quite clear mr. giuliani was working directly with the president to engage in a smear campaign against the bidens using a foreign government to do it with leverage being american military assistance. thats outrageous. so mr. giulianis role is nothing good, i can he will you that. we need to get to the bottom of it. >> are you concerned about the extent to which president trump seems to be informed by right...

Lost her way, that shes been taking over by the radical left and as far as hes concerned, shes quote no longer speaker of the house. this seems to be president trump once again embracing a foil. he had one in robert mueller. do you think this is just a preview of whats to come over the next few months? hes going to talk about, you know, the squad, ocasio-cortez, et cetera, talib and nancy pelosi? >> hell try. i dont think hell get far arguing about socialism. but i just think something thats fun...

Vendetta or -- >> so do you believe the president of the united states abused his power in his dealing with ukraine? >> well, i think he abused it just on the basis of what they sent over. can you imagine -- i mean the white house sent this over thinking it would absolve the president. so how much more is there to come that we havent seen yet, that we dont know about yet? >> you think on the face of the transcript alone, you see an abuse of power? >> oh, theres no doubt about it. i mean when you...

With a straight face can say that this is about u.s. concern over on going corruption in ukraine because just basically, if you are the president of the united states, and you are really concerned about current corruption in ukraine, you have many levers of government. you dont need to have rudy giuliani sku giuliani meeting with ukrainian officials -- >> well, this is transparently. an inappropriate attempt to smear a political rival using military and foreign assistance as leverage over a vuln...

Earlier that month had issued instructions to suspend all u.s. security assistance to ukraine. neither omb or the nfc staff knew why this instruction had been issued. senator mcconnell said the other day that he spoke with the secretary of defense and secretary of state, and he didnt know why the instruction had been given. doesnt that strike you as suspicious, director, that no one on the national security staff, no one in the senior leadership, apparently, of the party here in congress that ap...

System abused for that purpose. we want to know what role rudy giuliani had in all of this. we want to know what role bill barr had in any of this. we want to know what ukraine understood was expected of them before they even had this july phone call with the president of the united states. so we know what we have to do, and of course, well be guided by the evidence that we find along the way. >> what potential crimes do you see? >> i think there are any number of potential crimes when a preside...

With the president until he saw how he, quote, chose to act, unquote, in office. then later on in this it says it depends on his, quote, willingness to play. you have officials saying we sent rick perry to go because the president didnt want to elevate -- >> thats two pieces of leverage. the leverage then is the military assistance it appears and a face to face meeting. >> with the vice-president. >> i wont meet with you until you do so. >> thats a quid pro quo. >> you could see this as you know...

Come that we havent seen yet, that we dont know about yet? >> you think on the face of the transcript alone, you see an abuse of power? >> oh, theres no doubt about it. when youre the president of the united states and you control things and you remind the president of ukraine how much money weve given ukraine and what weve done, implicit is that is play ball with me and if you dont, we can yank the money back. >> where does it become atypical of one power using leverage against another? >> its ...

Judgment that he considers it a serious matter. the issue i dealt with -- >> you would conquer, director, that this complaint alleging serious wrongdoing by the president was credible? >> its not for me to judge. >> it is for you to judge. i agree its not for you to judge, you shall provide it to congress. but you did judge whether this complaint should be provided to congress. can we at least agree that the inspector general made a sound conclusion that this whistle-blower complaint was credibl...

That theres even more wrongdoing going on underneath that rule breaking. >> among those allegations that have been leveled, what stands out most to you? >> first you have to look at the overall allegation. any time you have the president of the united states making an agreement or entering into some sort of deal with a secret deal with a foreign government, foreign leader, lets assume for a second that everything went forward as the president planned and there was an investigation opened and the...