part of the debate on the democratic side as well-. and the way buttigieg put it in those terms, that you really do kind of have a global competition of these two very different systems here. you d like to hear joe biden, you know, reconcile his past stance on china, but the president there at the g20 counterprogramming in perhaps the worst way imaginable. seemed to make light hire of russia s election interference right to vladimir putin s face. here s that moment. [ inaudible question ] jim, it feels like he s making light of it. is that the way you saw it and how important is that moment? well, he is. he is clearly making light of it. he said it with a smile. you know, this is their first public appearance next to each other since that moment in helsinki last year when the president explicitly took the
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