another 12 witnesses, including key officials like mulvaney, perry, bolton. i m speaking of some of the amigos, if you will. ambassador volker arranging a key call and requested that they use the encrypted messaging service, whatsapp, noting that the ability to delete forever what comes up in conversation. there s a bit of irony here maybe. maybe it s already on your mind. these individuals went out of their way to avoid using government emails so they wouldn t get caught. but then there was so much heat on some of them that the only reason we know any of this, is that some of the whatsapp messages were not deleted. state department and trump white house continued to defy and stonewall those requests, gordon sondland s whatsapp messages
cnn, not msnbc, cnn and say we re starting an investigation into the bidens and burisma. if you had counsel to chairman schiff would you suggest as you re intimating there s important firsthand testimony to be given by individuals like bolten, like cooperman, like mulvaney and we might get a decision from the court as to whether they should and will give testimony to the intel committee or to congress in general. should we then wait a week or two? it won t be a week or two. they have a right to appeal, which they will be appealing to the courts on the decision on mcgahn. they will appeal and appeal and appeal and delay and delay and delay. if we don t act now, and we kind of wait for them and wait and wait, we d be shlameals. the justice judiciary committee
the experts tell us what high crimes and misdemeanors are in their mind and i ve read the books. there s been plenty written so far but there are those who would say sir, we have not heard enough from primary witness. we ve only heard the majority fact witnesses that were second or third degrees of separation from actual incidents and/or processes that happened, that the president was accused of participating in. yes, the president is not allowed mulvaney or pompeo or giuliani, or bolton to come forth and testify but the president said we have a favor to ask of you. the president said on the lawn of the white house, we d like for the ukrainians to investigate biden. we ve had mulvaney go there s politics involved. get used to it. yeah, we did it. so we ve had mulvaney. we ve had trump and we ve had sondland say the president told him he wants zelensky to go on
president trump himself. on the other side we have career public servants or professionals at the very least. people like fiona hill or colonel vindman and ambassador taylor or ambassador yovanovitch. it has been remarkable that with gordon sondland s being the one outlier, all of these individuals who have been called before congress have told their remarkable tale. it is also remarkable to note that gordon sondland is the only member of this will political crowd that so far has either a, been called before congress or actually complied with the congressional subpoena. and so i think that time and again you have seen career officials or professionals and experts disturbed to say the least by what they heard from president trump and heard from those around him and like volker and gordon sondland, like
volker, he was involved in that side of thing and bill taylor and mary yovanovitch and there is the group, the nfc, military state department of group that s involved in the u.s. side on the phone calls with rus with ukrai phone call that s taken place. we continue to hear, see these transcripts of depositions of people who were in there and all telling the same story. you can t really lie if you were on that side of the equation. ali, i would draw the line of the equation differently. it was less of who was where and i think it is more how that person got to her or his job. what i mean is we see a group of political appointees. we see kurt volker and rudy giuliani who s actually not part of the government but featured into this. mulvaney and of course,