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shot at doing this together because it ain't working doing it by ourselves. >> let me read you what the president wrote on twitter. we'll all get together and piece together a great health plan for the people. do not worry. yet, worried could describe the white house mood today. president trump will almost certainly wrap up his first 100 days without a significant legislative achievement next month. let's talk it over with athena jones and political reporter tal cope. >> reporter: hi, ana. i think we'll see the white house get more involved on the front end with legislative priorities and writing and putting together legislation. this obamacare repeal effort was launched by the house republican leadership and the white house came on to try to help sell the bill and it was a hard sell. this idea of doing this whole repeal and replace in three phases, the first phase being undo what you can undo. given the rules and the senate, the second phase having the health and human services secretary tom price make administrative changes and then the third phase, doing everything else they wanted to do to change the bill and then didn't understand or think what they would want and then a senior administration official i spoke with earlier, going forward, you're going to see the white house play a more active role on the front end in terms of language and in terms of strategy right out of the gate when it comes to legislation and it certainly looks as though the next bit of legislation that the white house and republicans are going to tackle is going to be tax reform. ana? >> tal, you tweeted this. the statements from house republicans so far all spend this as an opportunity to do it again but right this time. so tal, are house republicans able to bridge this gap within their own party or do they have a better chance at trying to work with democrats assuming obamacare will start to have some serious problems in the coming months or years? >> what's interesting about that tweet, the statements were hitting my inbox and hitting them from different sides, not of the aisle but the party and folks in the conservative wing who didn't want to vote for the plan because it didn't fully repeal obamacare and then folks in the moderate wing squeamish about the concessions made to appease the conservatives. so this is definitely the spin that's coming out as lawmakers are saying, this didn't collapse, this is an opportunity to go back to the drawing board and do this right but the the divisions still remain and the message that we heard paul ryan really deliver to his caucus and that the white house has delivered from all sources is that they're moving on. they don't want to deal with this again. so it certainly looks like if the obamacare repeal is going to come back up, it might have to be organic and likely to have to come up with concessions. >> why did they try to tackle obamacare first? >> i'm not sure it is and keep in mind, repealing obamacare is taking something away. when you're talking about a legislative achievement like tax reform and starting from scratch. that's building a bill from the ground up, alone, that's not going to be as easy as perhaps taking something away and this whole episode revealed that there's very different ideas even within the parties that lawmakers want to do and they answer to their constituents in their districts and that's part of this here. and each of these members know their district and knows what their district is going to want out of legislation and they're not necessarily going to vote with their party all the time. so smoothing over those differences is never going to be easy no matter what legislation and no matter what appetite there is to deal with issues because the details are, they always say, the devil is in the details. >> that's the truth. thank you, athena. he's spending the day in west virginia and not shying away from the spectacular setback. pence told the crowd the president did everything he could to get this health care bill through and that democrats and a handful of republicans stopped him. >> i was inspired by president trump's determination and commitment to keep his promise to the american people. and the president and i are grateful for speaker paul ryan and the house republicans who stood with us in this effort to begin the end of obamacare but as we all learned yesterday, congress just wasn't ready. you saw it. 100% of house democrats, every single one and a handful of republicans actually standing in the way of president trump's plan to repeal and replace obamacare. we're back to the drawing board. >> let's talk to my panel. former chairman of the washington, dc democratic party, sarah westwood a white house correspondent for the examiner and then jeffrey toobin lorde. >> there were no democrats on board with this piece of legislation. it was the first of the three pronged strategy but keep in mind that the republicans were never counting on democrats voting for this bill. in fact, the entire strategy was built around the assumption that no democrats were going to get on board with this piece of legislation and that's precisely structured in a way that angered conservatives and left out some of the substantive policy changes because they intended to push it through budget reconciliation and had to comply with strict rules in the senate that meant they could only be certain things in the bill and not convinced faeds tphase two e would go to fruition and conservatives are the ones who killed this bill. >> jeffrey, the president's message right now is health care going to explode. just watch and wait but don't worry because we'll fix it. if you're a voter struggling to pay high premiums, many say there's things that needed to be fixed with obamacare. you voted for trump because he promised to fix it. is this what you want to hear? don't worry, let's watch it explode? >> i think that's what you have to do. the issues in general get passed by the congress when there's political heat and the political heat here has to be behind repealing obamacare and you've got all of these saying it's wonderful and the decision to leave it there and leave it there and as it crashes, then the political heat will build finally to get it changed. >> so scott, should democrats really be celebrating right now? >> i don't think the democrats are celebrating at all. it's really interesting that the republicans can get their own act together and the real enemy is the freedom caucus, not the democrats. there was no significant outreach to the democrats. the democrats, i think, would work to make obamacare better if that was the outreach but they're not going to work with the republicans for repeal and replacement. that's just a fact. but how do you blame the democrats when the republicans and the white house and senate makes no sense? you could spin it any way you want but the enemy is within the republican party and until they fix the democratic federation caucus, that very conservative wing of the party, the freedom caucus, forgive me, is just not going to work. obamacare is one thing but they have infrastructure, they have tax reform, they still with the freedom caucuses and an outreach to the democrats saying that maybe i get more votes for the democrats and that caucus. that's a pretty embarrassing aspect of leadership for the republicans who control the house and the white house. >> it seems like paul ryan would almost agree with what you said. let's play the sound of him reacting or explaining what happened with the bill's failure. >> we were a 10 year opposition party and being against things was easy to do. just had to be against it. and now in three months time, we try to go to a governing party where we have to get 216 people to agree with each other on how we do things. >> is that what's going on here? >> i listen to paul ryan and i like the speaker a lot. he worked for jack, as did i. i'm astonished here. they had all this time, years, to get their act together. >> seven years. >> heck yeah. as far as i'm concerned, the day after president trump was inaugurated, they should have been standing there on the steps of the capitol house and senate, republicans and said, here's the the plan. they didn't do that. and so they allowed themselves to get into the crunch time formulation where there's a frantic nature about the whole thing and it was not good. >> should be blamed for this because this is what the republicans ran on election after election and it seemed to help them win seats. didn't win the presidency for cycles but it did here with president trump, he was the change maker. who's to blame for the failure and should it be looked at as a blame or somebody succeeded in defeating this? >> i think there's blame to go around. i mean, you look at president trump. he had a lot of personal involvement in this and so the failure of the bill reflected on the white house because he and his senior administration officials were whipping members so hard but i think the reality is that republicans didn't have a big enough majority in the senate to do any real substantive legislation, so they were boxed into a corner where they had to put forward a bill through budget reconciliation and because the rules of congress are so strict about what can go through this filibuster-proof process, they were not able to get the substantive changes they wanted. so part of this is just luck of the draw. republicans only had two member majorities in the senate. they just didn't have the numbers to do this the way they wanted to and president trump sort of hinted at that, excuse me, sean spicer said this, just pointed out that if we had a 60 vote majority in the senate, obviously, we would have a very different bill but this is the bill that we were able to put forward. it was the best that they could do and it just wasn't enough to win over the freedom caucus. >> does anybody really win though when one party continues to be a blocker, shall we say, or obstructionist party and do they risk becoming the party of "no"? >> they're not the party of no. they'll continue to be the party of no. look at what happened on health care. you start with a bad bill. very unusual when you have a bill whereby the conservative wing of the party and moderates, democrats, every stake holder is opposed to this bill for different reasons. my goodness gracious, that's unusual but this is a republican party at civil war with itself and until it resolves that civil war, even the outreach to the democrats, the democrats aren't going to play nice in the sand box without extracting something. and if they're going to play nice with donald trump and the republicans, it's going to take a lot of outreach on their part, not for the bad of the country, but for the good of the country. let's make obamacare better and then you'll have a deal for all americans, democrats and republicans. that's when donald trump needs to be saying. that's what paul ryan needs to be saying and that's what needs to get done. >> i see you shaking your head, jeffrey. you don't think so. >> no. >> you don't agree with me? i can't believe it. >> in terms of obamacare, i think it's a disaster. i mean, people have lost their insurance because of it. s some people, i talked to one woman on long island whose father died as a result of obamacare. i mean, people were really angry about this. really angry. >> why doesn't everybody work together? >> jeffrey, that's just not true. look at the cvo report, the standard poor's report. obamacare is up by 3%. 80% of those who have it want it versus a bad bill and 50% of those who do have it are satisfied. the only narrative the republicans are driving this narrative because they want that pronouncement to be true. administratively, tom price can't do better. >> they voted on this. they voted donald trump president because he opposed it. >> why didn't republicans replace it then? it failed. >> let me just say one thing about the republican civil war. to some extent, scott is right about this. i worked for ronald reagan who used to talk about the party of pale pastels or bold colors meaning there were too many republicans that agreed with democrats on the government and the size of government. that's basically the same fight that you've got going here. this has been going on in the republican party for almost 60 years. barry goldwater. i mean, on and on and on. this time around, it took the shape of health care, but that is part of the problem. >> it's the political dysfunction that so many people despise which in part is what got donald trump elected. so here we are. more of the same, which is kind of ironic, about all of this. jeffrey, sarah, scott, thanks to all of you. we know you'll be back with us as we continue talking over all of this. ahead this hour, in the hot seat, senator lindsey graham facing constituents in a fiery town hall today less than 24 hours after trump's signature health care bill gets shelveshe. we'll take you there live. plus, kremlin video showing man gunned down in broad daylight. our frederik pleitgen takes us to moscow and then a high stake in las vegas. robbing a jewelry store at the bellagio and putting the hotel on lockdown. you're live in the cnn newsroom. two become one. then you're a couple. think of all you'll share... like snoring. does your bed do that? 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do you know? >> reporter: sure. i think just based on our experience and speaking to some of these individuals, the majority were in fact, republican. but what was interesting is many were more moderate than anything else and also seemed to relate with some of the democrats that were in the building because there were some of them as well when it came to issues like gun control or climate control, it was interesting to see the amount of green cards held up. many people in the audience did agree, for example, when it capable to climate control and whether or not it existed. the senator saying, yes, it did and finally, it was interesting when it came to the keystone pipeline. the senator making it clear he supported the construction of it. but greeted by a lot of boos in the building, a majority of them opposing that as well. interesting dynamic in south carolina today, ana? >> polo, thank you for that report. up next, a harsh critic of vladimir putin shot to death in broad daylight. the government said it's a case of russian state terrorism. that's the government in kiev. s isn't it time to let the real you shine through? 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>> reporter: ana, his funeral was today but the investigation into his allegations, calling them absurd. here's what we know. dennis, this chilling surveillance video has surfaced obtained by ukrainian broadcaster, it purports to show the moment that dennis was killed, his bodyguard wounded and now the diplomatic mud slinging with moscow and kiev over this case has kicked into high gear. one senior ukrainian lawmaker claiming that the assassin also killed in the shootout may have been ukrainian but acted on russia's orders. i can say with certainty that dennis has been murdered by agent of russian special services, a citizen of ukraine. ukraine's president, poroshenko, and linked it to another mysterious murder of ukrainian journalist and to a massive fire with ukrainian ammunition depot with the town. it's a matter of honor for our law enforcement, he said, to disclose the murder, and dennis and the sabotage in the region. and tens of thousands of people had to be evacuated in a 10 kilometer radius. ukraine accuses russia of setting it on fire. russian officials call these allegations absurd. the speaker of russia's parliament saying that ukraine is turning into what he calls a terrorist state unable to protect its citizens and other russian lawmakers chiming in. while the dead bodies are still inspected and not even the morgue yet, the heads of state makes allegations of russian state terrorism. what does it tell us? this is a ready made scenario, this politician said. they're looking for the driver who possibly dropped the killer off at the scene of the murder but even as the investigation to the killing of dennis progresses, the case has already become highly politicized and another lightning rod with the adversaries, russia and ukraine. and ana, you know the big question, of course, what sort of motives could there have been for this crime? if you ask the ukrainians, they say they believe that dennis knew something about victor, the former president of ukraine who was close to vladimir putin and possibly going to testify in a trial against him. they also believe that dennis may have known things about russian financial dealings as well, but the russians are saying all of this is speculation. they say any sort of allegations that they were behind the killing are absurd and of course, they say, they want to be part of any investigation into his killing, ana? >> all right. fred pleitgen, thank you. two huge things the president has hung his hat on. crash and burn, the health care reform bill dead. the claim he was wiretapped, dead. now questions about his close advisors working hand in hand with the russians. could this truly be any president's worst 100 days ever? 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>> 37% approval rating, he's met the expectations of david gergen's words and the promise of what this country would go through if elected. it doesn't get worse than that and it's going to get worse going forward because he doesn't have the legislative support of the republican party, he's got the tweets and the russian investigation is going to hang around. i think there's going to be an independent prosecutor which is a nightmare for all of us quite frankly but necessary because it's such a politicized issue whether the russians not only affected our democracy but also, was there any collusion between donald trump and his cohorts and russian individuals? there's circumstantial evidence to support that. that's why the fbi is investigating that. i'm a former prosecutor. where there's smoke, there's fire. we've got to get to the bottom of it. >> the intel committee leaders don't seem to be in sync and that's where the investigation stands. devin nunez delaying the public hearing that was supposed to happen on tuesday into the probe of the election russian interference and accused nunez of injecting politics into it, which you just suggested as well. let me read you a tweet from adam schif. just cancelled open intelligence committee hearing with clapper, brennan, and yates. and went further calling it an obstruction of justice. jeffrey, what's your reaction? >> i think congressman shiff is doing a little bit of a deflection here, but look, it's very clear from what chairman nunez said there's some evidence that president trump or his associates were in fact surveilled by somebody and this was common knowledge, apparently, in the government, and also a fact that this information has been, the classified information unmasking, as they say in the intelligence trade, i guess, various individuals who were caught on these tapes, americans and their identities are not to be released, that's a violation of law, clearly, people in the obama administration were violating the law massively leaking this in places like the new york times. >> i need to stop you there, jeffrey, because let me just make sure we have our facts straight on this issue because there is no evidence that the trump campaign or anybody attached to donald trump were actually surveilled themselves but that the communication may have been picked up incidentally. >> they were quote, unquote, unmasked in their identities released, that's a violation of law. people can go to prison for that and pay a fine. >> it could be, it could be, but we don't know that for sure because as devin nunez, the chairman, a republican and advocate of trump part of the transition team, he also said when he came out saying that trump and his associates may have been picked up on surveillance, he did say he found nothing illegal as far as unmasking goes. he was asked that directly. so that's what we know at this point. but i think broader question here. scott, the broader question i have for you is given that it does seem like this has become more political and now we're hearing a back and forth between chairman nunez and adam shiff commenting, could it get in the way of answers? >> absolutely. not only cancelled these hearings but also gotten information from unnamed sources, hasn't identified them, didn't share it with the democratic members or his committee members whatsoever, apologized to them, but then took this information to the white house. now, donald trump and his cohorts are subjects and targets of this administration. that in and of itself disqualifies him to lead this investigation. he ought to step down or ryan ought to replace him because if you're the subject or target of any investigation and you run and tell and share information with that target, you have compromised the investigation, the integrity of it or at least, hold on, at least the appearance of independence and propriety and that's as powerful as actual convincing evidence or information that he may or may not have shared with donald trump. this is a huge problem vis-a-vis having an independent investigation and that's why you need an independent prosecutor and why one is appointed because democrats and many republicans support this and peel tfeel the way. >> why not have an independent commission? >> i'm not big on independent special prosecutors, if that's what we're talking here, but i do think we should investigate. i know that roger stone and paul manafort both volunteered. they want very much to come and testify in public. i think that president obama, his members of the white house staff who had access to this classified information that was leaked should all be called before that commission. let's get it out there and everybody out there and see what they have to say. >> james clapper who were members of the obama administration, we're supposed to come testify on tuesday. that was just postponed, jeffrey. >> yeah, i mean, i don't know what the reason is, but i do believe we should get to the bottom and get all of these people out there and let's hear what they have to say. >> i have an idea. i have an idea. >> real quick. >> listen, here's the thing. this is a dangerous, this is dangerous for donald trump because when you voluntarily testify under oath, we know these individuals have communications with accusations of russians helping donald trump. this is a real problem. it needs an independent prosecutor. and look for the change in leadership of that intelligence committee. >> we'll see. a. scott bolden and jeffrey lord, thank you so much. we'll be right back. life desera modern way to pay. and we'll end up in venice. oh..venice... let's get the check. nope! i got it. you can use it online and what's with this one? 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>> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, welcome to your "new day." the battle to overhaul obamacare is going to end maybe in a matter of hours. president trump delivering an ultimatum to house republicans, vote today or keep obamacare. the high-stakes showdown will take place in the house chamber. it will happen in hours. if it does make it through the house, the big battle to come in the senate. >> at this hour the numbers don't add up for the white house. 27 house republicans say they are voting no, four others say they are leaning against voting yes. with the president's deal making reputation on the line, the political stakes are high. on this day 64 of the trump presidency, we have it all covered. let's beginning with cnn's jeff zeleny live at the white house. what's the latest, jeff? >> reporter: good morning. president trump delivered the ultimatum last night saying he's done negotiating, it is time to vote. there's already a sense here at the white house he's ready to turn the page and move on to other things. the white house just announced a few moments ago at 10:15 he'll be assigning legislation to move the keystone pipeline forward, clearly trying to change the conversation and subject from health care. but on capitol hill right now the beginning of this process is under way, the rules committee is meeting. that's the process to begin the way for a vote. they're still expecting a vote on obamacare to repeal and replace it, to start at some point this afternoon. that is still all up for potential change if the votes are not there. now, the white house spent hours last night on capitol hill, top advisers here reince priebus and steve bannon working these republicans still unwilling to vote for this bill. a senior administration official said overnight this is why the white house believes at the end of the day they will get the votes. this is the thinking here at the white house. this official said this, he said which republican wants to explain to their constituents why they voted to keep obamacare? they are hoping that not the details get them over the finish line, but the sense that republicans have been wanting this for so long here. i can tell you the blame game already starting this morning. the president, i am told, is unhappy with members of his own staff. he does not believe house republican leaders have done enough on this. but at the end of the day the blame will also rest with the president here for not being able to get this legislative bill across. too early to declare this dead by any stretch. republicans particularly in the house, a lot of maneuvering that can be done. officials are somewhat optimistic. chris, as you well know, this is just the beginning of the process here at the house, has to go on to the senate and be reconciled. this is not how they wanted to start their legislative agenda, no question about it. >> success has many fathers. fail youre usually has one. no question the pressure is on, the republican controlled congress following the president's ultimatum. pressure on the president as well. the house vote is set to take place in just hours if it does happen. it looks like it will. this comes down to the whip vote count. cnn's suzanne malveaux live on capitol hill with more. you have two different types of republicans in this not voting yes category. some upset about coverage, some upset about costs. >> that's right. there's high stakes drama on the hill. over the last 24 hours you have seen the secret negotiations, the public shaming and the finger-pointing. there are very few republicans who are happy with this bill. the lawmakers i spoke with said the president's approach and the three-step process is something that's not really convincing. >> do you have the votes? do you have the votes? >> reporter: after seven years of talking about it, republicans are facing a major test today on whether they have the votes to dismantle obamacare. >> we have been promising the american people that we will repeal and replace this broken law because it's collapsing and it's failing families. we're proceeding. >> reporter: republicans remain deeply divided. duking it out into the night behind closed doors. a gop source saying some 30 members spoke out in favor of the bill, trying to unite the party and rally support before today's vote. >> this was a very intense family discussion, and it was principled, it was emotional, it was robust. >> reporter: only one republican in that meeting speaking out against the bill, but many have previously indicated their no votes. >> we have to get it done right, not get it done fast. i think the bill misses the mark. >> i'm a no vote. i'm concerned this legislation does not lower premiums. >> reporter: sources say the chairman of the house freedom caucus who has been staunchly against the bill despite multiple concessions from the white house is telling his members to vote their conscience. >> we're trying to get another 30 to 40 votes that are currently in the no category to yes. once we do that, i think we can move forward with passing it on the house floor. >> reporter: those concessions announced earlier this week mainly focus on repealing essential health benefits from obamacare, a move they say will lower premiums. a week's worth of wrangling providing more bad news for the bill. the congressional budget's office most updated estimates of the gop plan will cut deficit savings in half to $150 billion in ten year and 24 million more uninsured in 2026. that doesn't include the most recent changes to the bill, changes that would give more power to states to determine what they consider to be essential benefits and provided 15 billion to states to use for mental health, substance abuse and infant and maternity care. >> former house speaker john boehner said just last month that republicans would never successfully repeal obamacare, maybe fix it or tinker around the edges because they cannot agree on what would go into such a bill. lawmakers i spoke with said they believe speaker ryan is about to see whether or not that prophesy is true. >> that is a fact, suzanne, thank you very much. as you point out, the house rules committee is meeting right now on the health care bill. democrats already blasting back room deal making. cnn's sunlen serfaty is outside the room with more. you have your glass pressed up to the door. what have you heard? >> reporter: alisyn, this is a rarerly morning meeting for the rules committee which importantly indicates the wheels are in motion pushing towards a house vote today. this is the last legislative step that needs to happen before it's brought to the full floor. i was inside the hearing room a few minutes ago. already a lot of fireworks. democrats blasting this bill. we heard from congressman jim mcgovern, he calls this is a back-room deal, calls it reckless legislation. he said we haven't had time to review the changes, but the changes we know we believe make this bill even worse. as we're outside getting ready to talk to you, the volume in the room got so loud, we could hear democrats yelling from inside this room -- from outside the room. we heard from congressman hastings who said i'm not going to be nice to you when this is not being nice to poor people. a lot of airing of grievances today. no doubt about it. this will eventually pass through at some point. that's important, chris and alisyn, because that sets off the wheels in motion to bring this house bill to a full floor vote. >> okay. thank you very much, sunlen. let's discuss with our panel. jack kingston cnn political commentator and former georgia congressman and former senior adviser to the trump campaign. steve israel, cnn political commentator and chris is a lizza new to our cnn family. welcome again, chris. let me start with you, jack. what's going to happen today? >> i think they're going to hammer it out. they'll go to the floor, probably won't even have the votes when they decide to set the vote, but i think through arm twisting, steve scalise, the whip, is going to get there. >> steve israel, they get through, now they have a bill and they go to the senate and the concerns they see with this group of doubters within the house gop right now is even magnified in the senate. what happens there and what's the chance that they come away with anything that they can pass that looks like this bill in the house? >> well, that's the inherent problem here, chris. i agree with jack. i think they'll muscle this thing through. first law of gravity in washington, d.c. is party discipline. here is the problem. every time you give the far right in the house a card in this house of cards, you're taking a card away from senators. people are saying this was an ultimatum that president trump established. no, this is the opening salvo. this goes to the senate. the senate is going to modify this bill, not going to accept eliminating essential benefits. it's going to come back to the house. so this is going to be an ongoing drama, although i do believe that the house republicans will muscle this through today. i think this goes on for weeks, if not months. >> oh, my gosh, that's quite a prediction. president trump's deal making obviously is being spotlighted this week. he has said, i think as of yesterday he's willing to walk away and he is walking away. if it doesn't pass, it's on them. do we believe that or is he doing some last-minute dealmaking today? >> i always think everything is part of a negotiation for him. that's in some ways his best trait if you like him, his worst trait if you don't like him. he does have a tendency to not deal well with setback. i would remind people the 2016 campaign when he lost iowa to ted cruz, he said it's because cruz cheated. when he won the electoral college but lost the popular vote, he said it's because 3 to 5 million illegal votes were cast. this is someone who does not deal well with adversity, necessarily and does tend to, if past is "prologue," put the blame somewhere else. i always trust members of congress more than i trust myself. congressman kings ton and congressman israel say it's going to pass. i do, too. the one nugget i'll put in, typically in years past, and both members were there when this was the case. prior to 2010, earmarks were still legal. they ban earmarks when republicans took over the house in that 2010 election. what's hard about that is the way they would cajole members, arm-twist members, hey, here is a little thing for your district, something with your name on it. that was the grease that made the wheels spin. they don't have that anymore. now it's a lot more. we put this piece of policy in or, hey, we're buddies and i need this. that's less persuasive than back in the day when you can earmark. it makes narrow votes harder to flip. >> also saying, if you don't vote for this, we will crush you. that could be powerful for democrats and republicans as well. we heard from lindsey graham and others that that's going on. not unusual. to is a lizza's point, when it came to losing the cruz or what happened with losing the popular vote, he can now point right at paul ryan and saying you did this, you wanted it done at this pace. president trump is not putting his arms around this the way we've seen him put his arms around things in the past that he wants to get done. >> it's not just paul ryan, but it's all republicans. every single one of us, whether we ran for school board orr county coroner promised to repeal and replace obamacare. if this implodes, it really is the republican legislative branch that has let down the people. it's dicy. if you vote for it, there's going to be a downside. if you vote against it, there's going to be a downside. people know this is politically perilous land. that's why it's so tough to do. it's one-sixth of the economy. any time you push to change one thing, there's a big ramification on the other side. so many political players in there. i can promise you no matter what you do, you can talk about it square, talk about it round, but there will be a downside. >> you spell it out so well for us, and congressman israel, how does it make sense? since congressman kingston describing house dicy it is, how do they today in these waning hours reign in the house freedom caucus which seems to be mutually exclusive from what the moderates want? >> here is what will happen if the past is any indication of what will happen today. they need 215 votes. your whip count is accurate. it reflects what i've heard. there are about 30 house r who say they're going to vote against it or leaning know. they can only force to lose 22. the real margin is eight. eight republicans will be the difference between this bill passing or not. jack kingston knows the conventional was domt is if you go to the floor out your necessary votes but you're within single digits, you should be able to pass it. what's going to happen, we're going to be on a roller coaster all day long. this vote will probably be held at about 5:00, maybe a little earlier, a 15-min et vote. house democrats will put their no votes up very quickly. house republicans who want this bill passed will put their votes up very quickly. you'll get to about 180, 190 votes within the first ten minutes. then this thing will just trickle. you will not see a lot of votes come in. that's where the whipping really counts. it's going to be the last few minutes that will produce 201 votes, 202, and i believe that party discipline will get them to 215. but it's going to be the last two minutes, not what we see in the preceding several hours. it's like a college basketball game that gets interesting in the last two minutes. >> if i may add, if you're serious, you vote no and leave the floor. if you're not serious, you vote no and sit around. if you sit around, you're inviting people to come talk to you and negotiate. you're not sticking around to see the outcome. you're sticking around to negotiate. >> good behind-the-curtain stuff from you guys. thank you panel. the president's point man is health and human services secretary tom price. he is with us live to make the case to you next. isjust wanna see ifa again? 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do you have the votes? do you have the votes? >> that was speaker paul ryan emerging from a late night meeting with house republicans and avoiding dana bash's question there about whether he's certainly that he has the votes to pass this health care bill. moments ago president trump tweeted this. he says after seven horrible years of obamacare, skyrocketing premiums and deductibles, bad health care, this is finally your chance for a great plan, exclamation point. let's talk abilities the high stakes vote with health and human services secretary dr. tom price. good morning, dr. price. >> good morning, alisyn. how are you? >> i'm doing well. is this going to pass today? >> i think it is. i think what the american people understand and appreciate is there are many individuals in our society right now who have gotten coverage through the exchange, through obamacare, that it's not working for them. premiums are up, deductibles are up. not able to access the care they want. it's only getting worse. we have a third of the counties in our nation that only have one insurer, five states only have one insurer. what the american people appreciate is that this is a plan that doesn't work. that's why this is the first phase of the process to bring about patient-centered health care where patients and families and doctors are making medical decisions and not wad. >> well, at the latest counted, cnn's latest whip count is there are still 31 no or leaning no vote votes; so how will it pass? >> you have to have the votes to pass. it's important to keep focus on the people of this land, the patients across this land. the mom who has two kids who took her son to the doctor, he had a significant problem, required some tests. the deductible plan was $6,000 and she wasn't able to afford that. she had a health insurance card, but she doesn't have any care for her child because the plan doesn't work for people. that's what i encourage folks to concentrate on, to focus on, the legislators up on capitol hill, those are the stories they need to hear. they've all heard them in their town halls. what they need to recognize is this is part of the plan to move forward and make certain we bring about that patient-centered health care. >> what we've also heard in town halls is there are a lot of americans for whom obamacare is working. people do like the pre-existing condition coverage provision. people do like their adult children staying on their plan. obamacare has actually become more popular in the past few weeks or months than it had been. so it's not -- >> i've got good news for you, alisyn. >> the two provisions you mentioned, 26-year-olds on your parents' insurance and pre-existing injuries and illnesses are included in the overall plan. what they understand and appreciate is that the kinds of things that have decreased choices, made it so they only have one choice -- there are counties in tennessee and mississippi with no choice whatsoever. what are we going to do for those folks? if you're on the exchange, this is a plan that's failing you day in and day out. it's only getting worse. that's what the president has described. he said these challenges came about in 2017 where the thing was going to come tumbling down and it's now on our plate. what we're trying to do is put in place a system that actually works for patients, not for washington, for patients. >> if it doesn't pass today, who do you blame? >> i'm even an eternal optimist. i know the president has done everything he can do, any individual could do do make sure people appreciate the consequence of this vote yes, but also the overall plan. it's not just this piece of legislation, it's the kind of things we're able to do at the department to bring down premium costs, increase the ability of doctors to be able to care for patients. it's a third phase happening n contemporaneously to put in place other pieces of legislation so you can purchase insurance across state lines, bring about medical malpractice lawsuit abuse reform, do the kinds of things that will drive down premium costs for folks so they're actually able to afford a coverage plan that works for them. >> dr. price, your goals sound lofty and good. in some ways, is all of this an exercise in futility? all of this hand ringing today, because even if it does pass, even if you are able to cajole the recalcitrant republicans on the fence, that's just the house. it still goes to the senate whereby all measure, this bill will fail. >> that's the legislative process. what i will tell you is a true exercise in futility is keeping the current system. the current system is failing patients. that's what we need to remember. you have states across the land that aren't able to put in place insurance to provide coverage for their vulnerable population. >> i hear you. gr goals and there's practicality. how do you get this plan through the senate. let me play for you what the omb director micking mulvaney said in terms of whether he's optimistic. >> there's no way to fully repeal this, george. this bill today repeals as much of obamacare as is legally possible given the fact we only have 52 votes in the senate. >> what he's saying is repeal was out of the question, but you only had 52 votes in the senate and that's not enough. >> and that's focusing on -- he's answering a question, i presume, focusing just on this piece of legislation. remember it's the entire plan, this piece of legislation that only requires 51 votes, a majority vote in the united states senate. it's the reform changes we're able to put in place in the department and the other pieces of legislation, one of which on the floor of the house this week that passed i think 416-2 or something like that. that was the magnitude of the bipartisan support for the other kinds of changes that need to be put in place. this is just one part of it. that second phase is so incredibly important that we're able to do at the department because that's how the previous administration was able to put in place all sorts of rules and regulations that made the system more difficult for patients and for those providing the care. that's what we're going to focus our efforts, on patients and those providing the care. >> let's zero in so people can understand how it would get through the senate. the essential health benefits that has obviously been some of the carrot offered to the house freedom caucus, the conservatives, so that would now b i guess optional. you get to do it morale more a cart. that's a deal breaker in the senate. >> leaves you with the opportunity to change it and modify. if there are sig any kangs it goes to a conference committee. this is the legislative process. that's why i keep asking folks, you and your colleagues and folks on the hill, it's important to concentrate on the folks affected by that. that's the patients and moms and dads across this land who aren't able to gain the kind of care they need with the current system on the exchange. you have governors across this nation who tell us they aren't able to care for their medicaid population, their full neshl population in the way they see fit because of all the rules and regulations. that's where we're going to concentrate our efforts, on positive solutions to make certain we move in the direction of patient-centered health care, not washington centered health care. >> dr. price, as i said, the popularity of obamacare has ticked up recently. here is the latest fox news poll. it shows more people like it than dislike it. this is just from this month. 50% give it a favorable opinion. 47% give it an unfavorable opinion. given that the cbo has said that millions of people will lose their coverage with this latest plan, what do you tell people who are worried about that and who say, you know what? the devil we know is better and i'd like to stick with what we have? >> i would tell people that what the cbo looked at was not the plan. what the cbo looked at was this one piece of legislation that's going to change through the ledgelyive process and they made an estimate. understanding their estimates in the past have been off by significant numbers. the plan is this piece of legislation and the kinds of rules and regulatory modifications that we're able to put in place at the department of health and human services to make certain we improve the ability for doctors to care for patients and we drive down premium costs so they're able to afford the coverage they want and the kind of legislative proposals that have significant bipartisan support. things like lawsuit abuse reform and purchase across state lines and association health plans. all those kinds of things that everybody understands or most people understand on the hill, these are the things that everybody need to understand to make sure patients are in charge and not washington, d.c. this is where we need to drive down the decision making to individuals. that's how they know the care will be right for them. >> sounds a little bit like what you're saying is you have to pass it today to know what's in it? >> no, you can see what's in it. we've been very, very transparent about it. >> meaning it's going to change. you're saying it's going to morph so much, this is the first step. you have to pass it today for the first step and then it's going to morph into all the other things you're talking about. >> alisyn, that's the legislative process. the fact is when people look at the entire plan in its entirety, phase one, phase two that we're on going right now at the department and will continue to do so and the phase three that has already been put in place, if you look at the entire plan, those are the kinds of things that every single individual across this land who has understood and appreciates that obamacare is failing the people who are gaining their coverage through the exchange, that's what needs to change. again, in order to do that, you've got to keep your focus on patients, not on washington, d.c. >> secretary tom price, thank you very much. we look forward to seeing what happens today. thanks for being here. >> take care. have a great day. >> you, too. up next, a democrat tells us why everything you just heard is untrue. congresswoman debby wasserman schultz is going to say what the reality will be for people under trumpcare next. you know where , so when it comes to your retirement plan, you'll always be absolutely...clear. it's your retirement. know where you stand. won't replace the full value of your totaled new car. the guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan. no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, you won't have to worry about replacing your car because you'll get the full value back including depreciation. and if you have more than one liberty mutual policy, you qualify for a multi-policy discount, saving you money on your car and home coverage. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. featuring ego's patented, 56 the #1 rated,volt,power+ mower. arc lithium battery technology, it delivers the cutting-torque of gas. the ego mower's durable construction makes mowing in difficult conditions easy. the self-propelled model makes it effortless. and it folds flat in seconds for easy storage. the ego power+ mower. exclusively at the home depot and ego authorized dealers. yes, the big vote on health care was supposed to happen last night. we're told it is just hours away now. if republicans don't get enough votes, the bill to repeal and replace obamacare is dead. let's talk to a top house democrat about the state of play. former dnc chair, florida congresswoman debby wasserman schultz joins us right now. i want to talk to you about what tom price just said, three points in particular. first some criticism. the democrats are sitting and watching right now. are you missing an opportunity to have gone into the house and say, look, we get you've realized saying the aca stinks was easy and this is hard. let's try to fix what is wrong with the aca because there are real issues and get involved in this process. you've chosen not to do that? >> nothing could be further from the truth. we've said that we peetdly over and over, that what we need to do is not treat the affordable care act like it's a clock running a little slow and take a sledgehammer, which is what this legislation does, what we need to do is sit down, work out the kinks, the problems, the challenges that we know have arisen in what was a major overall in the health care system, the affordable care act and work together to iron those out. >> every republican i've talked to says you guys have been instructed not to help and as long as repeal is on the table, you won't help. >> i'll tell you what we're not doing, that's right, we are not going to help them repeal the affordable care act and take away health care from 14 million people a year from now, 24 million people ten years from now, eliminate the essential health benefits package which for breast cancer survivors like me means the kind of health care coverage they would be able to buy won't actually provide coverage and you'll go back to the days when women, sister survivors like mine would say, you know what, debbie, i had to choose between the chemo or the radiation because my insurance coverage wouldn't let me afford both. that's unacceptable. >> let's take another step down that road. price laid out several different things. i want your response. al la carte care, he's saying it's better to take it out because then chris cuomo who doesn't need prenatal care, doesn't need the same kind of screening doesn't pay for it. good for him. what is the downside to that policy? >> what happens then, number one, you take all the women who are of child bearing age and basically are putting a mom tax on them and saying, like the old days, if you want maternity coverage, you'll have to buy a completely separate policy just that covers maternity care and that's going to increase costs unfairly and disproportionately. >> makes insurance companies price it only to people who need it and that will be a deterrent for them because they're in the business of not paying out. >> it's not just maternity care. taking away that essential health benefits package does is it leaves people with the idea that they have insurance coverage, but when they go to use it, the only thing it covers is the bearest of bear minimums, leaving them so underinsured that they can't afford to use their insurance because deductibles and co-pays are astronomically high. >> price says governors are coming to us and asking for this. in our reporting, i haven't heard a single governor say what i want is less money towards medicaid from the federal government. what are you hearing? >> you have a majority of republican governors who have actually gone ahead a and expanded medicaid. what they're saying is overwhelmingly, don't take away our medicaid expansion funding, don't cut our ability to provide additional coverage for the people who fall in the gap between the medicaid eligible population that is poor and people who can afford insurance. that's a gap that covers millions of people that this legislation takes coverage away from. i heard a lot of the commentary on your show this morning. to suggest that this legislation doesn't cut medicaid is ludicrous. the story tom price told about the couple that would pay a $6,000 deductible, that couple probably has a subsidy in the affordable care act right now that has basically cut their premiums to about $84 a month, less than $100. that's the overwhelming majority of people on the affordable care act who have gained coverage since before it became law. they would unravel all of that for those folks. >> true. but let's be straight about it. there are imperfections, and that couple that you're talking about may have a crazy deductible, so the cost of the premium winds up being a secondary condition because you can't get any care until you pay in often thousands for people. there are fixes that need to be done. >> for sure. >> price's point is that's why the aca is in a death spiral. we keep hearing that phrase. what's your resummons? >> my response is that it's absolutely essential that we address the problem where there are about a third of communities, counties that have only one health insurer to choose from. it doesn't mean they only have one choice. within that one coverage provider, there are many different policies that are provided and available. it doesn't mean it's enough choice. we can sit down together and work through that challenge and a number of other challenges. you don't take a sledgehammer to a clock that is running a little slow. what you do is take it to a clock maker who sits down and makes precision fine-tuning so you can improve the overall functioning of the clock. that's what we need to do to the affordable care act. the republicans, frankly, are disingenuous. they've never been interested in pro providing comprehensive health care coverage for everyone. the cbo score they can't get around. the new one for the new bill on the floor today makes things worse, it imposes an age tax for people 50 to 64 years old. premium costs go up 15% to 20% and provides half the deficaf deficit reduction. democrats are willing to sit down and work together to address the problems in the current law, and the republicans just want to fulfill their so-called perceived mandate to repeal it lock, stock and barrel. it's unacceptable. >> i hear you on that. i have to be honest with you, i'm not seeing it on the democratic side. i've got to leave it there. >> what we've got in front of us is unacceptable. let's focus on working together on the affordable care act and make the changes necessary. >> let's see what happens today on this vote, congressman, always a pleasure. >> thanks. we are hours away from the showdown on capitol hill. will the health care bill pass? 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[heartbeat] president donald j. trump taking on the freedom caucus this morning, tweeting the irony is the freedom caucus which is very pro life and against planned parenthood, also pp to continue if they plan to stop this plan. will the members of the caucus get behind the president's plan? let's get to senior political analyst mark preston. there is politics afoot. hedges being put in place. what do you hear? >> i spoke to a senior white house official in following what you read there from the tweet, the official told me regarding the freedom caucus and the president is that if the bill goes down, i don't think the president is going to have any desire or appetite to work with the freedom caucus going forward, which says something about all the legislative items the president wants to get done. >> you have new reporting there's frustration behind the scenes at the white house. >> not only my reporting that there's frustration on capitol hill, who would bear the blame? some say paul ryan, but that's going to be from his own caucus. in addition to this, this white house official says to me he thinks the freedom caucus is going to bear an incredible amount of blame. >> look, isn't it pretty plain that donald trump is not putting his arms around trumpcare the way he has around other things he wants to get done? you've got the breitbart people killing ryan which is an obvious hedge there on who did this and who is right and who's wrong. we haven't seen trump come out talking to the american people, talking about why it's good, selling the policy. he's saying the obvious things, the general things. i haven't seen him hammer this the way he has other things. >> specifically the border wall which is a prime example -- >> he knows what that wall would cost per foot. this bill, i've never heard him mention. >> maybe because he's not vested into the policy ramifications. i thought it was interesting in your interview with hss secretary tom price, when you who is the president going to blame, he said the president has done all he can do to get this done. again, shifting blame up to capitol hill not to get this done. >> what we keep hearing from our pundits is it probably is going to pass. >> the house. >> the house. at the home there's 31 on the fence, we had our two former congressmen on who peeled back the curtain and said really there's eight sort of that you have to rely on and, if it's just single digits, when you're sitting there on the floor and the votes happening, there's a lot of pressure and you might pass it at the 11th hour there. >> you might pass it and then what happens? it goes over to the united states senate and everything we've seen done in the house is probably going to get untied when it gets to the senate. guess what? they have to come together in a radio, the house and a senate to get it done. >> that's what i was talking to secretary price about which is it's impossible to know what it really will look like and what it really will mean for americans. as he says optimistically, this is the first step. that doesn't help americans know what that means for their pocketbook or for their health care. >> strategic missteps by the republicans and president trump not to say we're going to start it here. the legislative process will work its way through. that way you wouldn't have alienated the freedom caucus, try to see what you can get. the susan collinss of the world, lisa murkowskis of the world, see what you can get in there. that would have moved the ball further down the road. >> the phase two, phase three part, that's a spin and a future promise. price's predicament is he is selling this bill as things it is not. cbo scores and experts who say more people will not be covered by this plan and that's what they're afraid of in the senate. at least half of these gop holdouts. >> that cbo score yesterday was not good because the number of uninsured remains the same. >> mark preston, thank you very much for "the bottom line." let's brighten up your day with a few extra headlines. >> i love headlines. ♪ >> i would have gone with more of a "don't fear the reaper." >> or you would have played rush as you have been during the break. >> she says they're not a legitima legitimate. 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athe athena, yesterday the president spoke to paul ryan and they say their relationship is stronger than ever. and they spoke again today? >> reporter: the conversation today has some interesting background. that's because the president yesterday morning tweeted out a promo for a fox news show that was coming on yesterday night, a judge shapiro show. all day trump was airing promos that there would be some new wiretapping evidence. but judge jeanine shapiro called on paul ryan to step down as house speaker because of his failure to secure the votes in that health care repeal effort. the fact that she raised that question, wondering what the president meant, did he know that was coming. so my colleague said that the house speaker and the president spoke again today, and the president was clear his tweet did not have anything to do with the speaker. they are both eager to get back to work on the agenda. and, fred, that is essentially, the message question are -- we -- they're blaming the house freedom caucus, that conservative group of house republicans for blocking the repeal effort. the chief of staff reince priebus talked about the way forward legislatively and how the president, the white house's legislative strategy my change going forward. this was on fox news this morning, watch. >> i think it's more or less a warning shot that we're willing to talk to anyone, we always have been, and i think more so now than ever, it's time for both parties to come together and get to real reforms in this country, whether it be taxes, whether it be health care, immigration, whether it be infrastructure, this president is ready to lead. and sort of over with the games in the legislature. >> so there you heard him say the president is ready to lead, they're willing to talk to anyone, work with both parties. the problem is, when it comes to the games in the legislature, part of governing is dealing with the legislature, whether you call it games or not, the white house and the leadership has to learn to work with republican leadership, also democrats, and but the problem is that while you have the president in tweets and in comments bashing democrats that doesn't necessarily make democrats eager to come to the table. so i think the white house is still looking for the path forward when it comes to working with all sorts of parts of capitol hill. >> president trump saying lots of lessons learned, that might be one of them. let's discuss all this with my panel. joining me again, a historian and from fess sorry at prinston university, and a cnn senior reporter for media and politics. welcome back to all of you on a lovely sunday. i want to begin with this tweet that the president said yesterday to urge his followers to watch a show on fox news and when they did tune in, they called for the host call for speaker ryan to step down. the president has told speaker ryan, that that's not the sentiment that he was trying to convey. this is what was said. >> paul ryan needs to step down as speaker of the house. the reason? he failed to deliver the votes on his health care bill. >> okay, so, conservative websites are really running away with this, even though we have heard through athena's reporting and otherwise that the president says this is not my sentiment. so dylan, what are you learning about the back story of this tweet, the fallout, the whole sequence of events? >> the sources in the white house i have spoken with is that this is not at all trying to impugn ryan, if you remember from yesterday that countdown clock on fox news was actually advertising new details, new developments on this notion that donald trump had been under surveillance while he was president-elect. so i think that may very likely have been what he was referring to when he sent out his tweet. i will say it's highly possible, you know, it ultimately looks good for trump if more of the responsibility for the health care legislation is offloaded off to ryan. that said, he needs ryan and this white house has decided while they don't want to bear any of that blame, they would like to continue to work with ryan because they have alienated the freedom caucus, they have alienated democrats and if they want to be successful going forward, i think athena's reporting is spot on and we have to take the president at his words. >> lay out the landscape, the president has been quoted as saying, i don't need anybody, i'll go it alone, he really does need to work with the freedom caucus or the more moderate republican groups, and even democrats, so what sort of homework would you assign to the president in terms of how to negotiate, how the make deals when it comes to working with capitol hill? >> the problems that he faces with the freedom caucus, he can just study what happened under obama. the freedom caucus has enough numbers to cause problems on almost any bill in the house, but their proposals don't draw support from democrats or even the more moderate republicans. a coalition of moderate republicans, few freedom caucus members and if he could get any democrats that are vulnerable, that's the only coalition that will work. this is a republican problem that he's facing. they have moved far to the right, this caucus since 2010 and it's very hard to form a coalition or a compromise with there being a big presence in the caucus. >> the president has, you know, placed a lot of blame, he talked about blaming the democrats and in his tweet he did blame conservative groups like the freedom caucus. this is the chairman of that caucus this morning. >> well, i mean, at this particular point, i can tell you no one has been more self-critiquing than me. i can tell you as i have looked at all of this, i said, could i have spent a little bit more time, should i have spent more time with the tuesday group, more time with democrats to find some consensus, so as we look at this today, this is not the end of the debate, this is like i had one of my friends call me the other day, he said it's like saying that tom brady lost at halftime. we may be in overtime, but i can tell you at the end of the day the most valuable player will be president trump on this because he's committed to the american people, and we're committed to helping him get there. >> so, brian, is it "kumbaya"? >> it has to get closer to "kumbaya." because there are so many problems with the existing health care system that it seems to be unsustainable and going without a fix seems to be an impossible option or just not even an option at all. i think the question, if you're not going to have ryan as speaker, and i think you will continue to have ryan as speaker. who else is going to do that job? the job of speaker, i compare it to herding cats, as soon as you have one on board, the other darts under the bed after a mouse. it's hard to keep everybody on board long enough to pass a bill, and you have to ask is there someone better at uniting the caucus? is there someone better at running the white house? and it's hard to find a more unifying figure than ryan at in point. they need to get on the same page and fix this thing, is there anyone better to do it? probably not. >> and the battle for health care, help reveal the skiz ms and zwidivides are very great. what it's like for the president pulling up to that vote. and in one meeting held with moderate republicans, reportedly lawmakers went around the room and answered where they stood on the bill, and when charlie dent said he was a know, trump said why am i even talking to you? that kind of tactic may have worked in real estate deals but it doesn't appear to be that effective as it pertains to politics, does it? >> it can be. i don't think the threat itself is, if they are feeling from the right or the center that they are going to lose in the primary going into 2018, that will get them to move. but just and empty rhetorical threat doesn't move members of congress, it never has, it won't right now and i think he a has to learn that. he has to really think about how to change their consensus and how to keep their job. >> donald trump, it all comes down to him. he comes to washington and he expresses surprise that there's a congress there. i understand that he's a businessman, but you would expect some level of engagement of the political system. it turns out, i guess, being a real estate developer maybe isn't such a good training for this job and maybe the apprentice idea is more his view of the presidency, not a television show. >> that same reporting of dana and jim acosta, who talked to people who had some familiarity of what happened in that room and one caucus member described trump's approach to this health care bill by saying he wanted to talk about the big picture. but according to more than one person in the room, he didn't seem to know the specifics of the deal, so it was difficult to persuade anybody if he's not able to sell it by knowing the product. >> that's absolutely right. that's when we're starting to see the inexperience starting to see real world ramifications. white house press secretary sean spicer said more than once that he had left it all on the field, that he had done everything in his power to get this passed. the mohammad left it aed ali le the field. trump did not leave it all on the field. this is not the fight that you have seen from past presidents when they really want to push legislation through. i think it's waking up to a harsh reality for the president to understand that getting things done politically is enough different than getting things done in the world of business. >> it does not seem as if he wants to change his style very much, but is this an occasion where he's got to be reflective, and say maybe it's time for a whole new ball game and a new strategy is afoot? >> i these his negotiations are a powerful tool. i think just directing it differently, finding the members that are gettable and finding that policy that's going to have a big effect on their district, going to the district, landing in air force one and giving a speech on that. maybe getting a little bit more granular in his applying of pressure, may be the way forward. >> it's been contentious trying to get this bill through, but we have also seen in some pro trump rallies that it's gotten contentious at some of these rallies. at least one pro trump supporter was beaten for waving a made in america sign. how does this division and lack of unity fall on the president, julian, or if it didn't fall on him, how important is it to address what's happening or unfolding in certain pockets of the country? >> whether his problems, the violence at a protest sorer or failure on clirl, he's got to tooirk some of the blame. part of it is distraction in issues that the gop doesn't want to focus on right now and eroding the good will of his party right now. while he would like to blame others, he has to take a look at how this is caused by his own rhetoric and his own strategies. >> i would add one piece to julian's list there, is he really needs to learn this in detail. if you listen to the congressmen who said over and over again, he didn't know the details of the bill, he couldn't make an argument for it. you can't convince somebody to love something that they hate unless you can make a specific argument. next time around, whether it's tax reform, or whatever, he should know the issue better. >> don't you think that he would know that? >> you would hope he would know that. but i want to point to some of the videos you've been showing of the violence going on. the president has been presiding over trying to pass legislation through executive orders, things of that nature, it's also about the tone of the country, it's also how americans feel about themselves and feel about the society they live in. what leads me to believe that none of that is going to change, is that so much of trump's rhetoric throughout the 18-month slog that was the 2016 presidential campaign sort of lent itself to some of this anger and frustration we're seeing and that's really, that started boiling over during the course of the campaign and if we're seeing it boiling over now, there's nothing that says he's going to become more presidential and try and tone down that rhetoric. just in the same way he's antagonizing both the freedom caucus and the democrats at the same time, which like i said earlier, he's going to need one of those groups to pass legislation through. >> thank you, gentlemen. >> thank you. straight ahead, new details on the formal investigation that iraqi civilians in west mosul were allegedly killed by air strikes, that's next. d. finally, there's a roundup made just for your lawn, so you can put unwelcome lawn weeds to rest. draw the line. with roundup for lawns, there is no better way to kill lawn weeds to the root without harming a single blade of grass. it's a great day to be a lawn. draw the line with roundup for lawns. and for weeds in other spaces, turn to roundup weed & grass killer products. why are you checking your credit score? 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>> reporter: well, according to the local iraq commander, the counter terrorism forces commander in the area where one of these strikes took place, he said they did call it in, but that the target was an isis suicide truck bomber and the force of the explosion that was then generated is what caused these houses to collapse and an an eyewitness who lives a few doors down said that he could hear people screaming from underneath the rubble, please safe us, we're alive. it did take civil defense units a few days to get in because of the intensity of the fighting. there's a lot of anger, understandable. and there's also a lot of sorrow. the losses that people have suffered in these strikes and in the ongoing violence is insurmountable, it's indescribable and it's a disgust ing view -- >> these are troops from the 82nd airborne division and they'll be coming in as advisers on what's call an aadvise and assist, as they push into this older portion of mosul, much more older, more narrow streets, so it's going to give iraqi fighters some support. >> under siege in raqqa as well, is there a feeling that they're almost done as a force to be reckoned with in that region? 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>> the answer is yes, by undermining the president's health care reforms, it takes a trillion dollars of taxes that should have been gone. the freedom caucus owes the american people a trillion dollars by undermining the president's health care bill. now you're looking at a strong tax reform commitment both by the republican and the democratic caucus, they're taking the correspondeporate ras the highest in the world, at 45%s so all new investment goes into immediately expense, rather than over a longer period of time, it takes the individual rates down to three rates, it increases the family and death exemptions, it gets rid of the emt. it's stronger pro growth policies stronger than reagan in 1980 and more than 2% growth which is what we have right now. >> congressman chuck schumer had this to say about president trump's bill. >> they need to get rid of repeal, and work with us to improve it. >> one of the things that european nig unites the republicans is tax reform. tax reform doesn't mean you have to pay for all of your tax cuts. >> if you analyze what went wrong with the aca, the president exhibited two traits that are not very helpful, and if he repeats them in tax reform, and that is -- you can't tweet your wie through it, you can't threaten and intimidate and say i'll walk away, it's more complicated. but even more important, the president campaigned as a populist against the democrat and republican candidates. trumpcare gave overwhelming tax cuts to the rich. if the majority of tax cuts go to rich americans, they'll lose again. >> what are your thoughts on that, because those are a couple of points he made on lack of comp teps, you can't intimidate people and he accused the president of appealing to the really hard right wealthy. >> here's the problem that chuck schumer has with the modern democratic party, it's moved so far to the left, it shrunk into the biggest cities, it wasn't a national party as it once was, this is a -- they spent ag years defending all of his mistakes, bill clinton who doesn't have too run for office said it was crazy, he was able to spooerk the truth about obamacare, which the insurance companies lobbed when they wrote it. those are the guys who are not happy at all about getting rid of all the special subsidies that obamacare had. those all go away when we finally get rid of obamacare, on tax reform, there isn't a single vote on the democrat size that solves the problems we have in being noncompetitive. we had six years where obama kept saying he was willing to do something on tax reform and the only thing he ever did was demand #.6 trillion in higher tax. tax reform will pass, i think it's better to make it permanent, which means you put it in a situation inside the reconciliation package so that its deficit neutral in the outyears. you can do it the way bush did it, which is a tax cut, but it only lasts ten years. the reason it was important to do health care first is that was a trillion dollars in tax cuts, a trillion dollars in spending restraint. it makes fundamental tax reform much more possible. the people who stabbed the president in the back and undermined health care reform did tremendous damage to the effort to get tax reform. it may not be dead, but they damaged it. and that's where we need to get it fixed. >> but won't it take building some kind of common ground with some of the very people that the president accused of not being on board with health care? conservatives? >> there are no democrat votes for cutting taxes there are democrat votes for raising taxes that's what obama wanted. >> there's no republican -- >> where the president wiz on health care, some people thought they could have negotiated a different zedeal, turnts out th couldn't. >> you don't see that as a blueprint in terms of tax reform or even an infrastructure bill. >> first of all, tax reform, because the democrats have moved so far left be a republican only bill, but the votes are there for it. you also have every small businessman in every congressional district knows exactly how important tax reform is to the grocer and the butcher and every self-employed person and every small business in those districts. no congressman is going to be able to do to his constituents right in front of him what they did to trump on health care reform. i believe they'll come back and fix health care reform, but we will certainly get a very strong tax reform package, that will happen. >> we'll leave it right there, grover for kwis. an update on the hunt to find escaped mexican prisoners. why are you checking i want to see if it changed. credit scores don't change that much do they? 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but then they're still searching for the others? >> reporter: since the last time we spoke, authorities have announced yet another capture, so a captured, 14 remain on the run. let's talk about what has happened since that's cape on thursday. on thursday, 29 escaped through a tunnel, one of those escapees ended up carjacking a car in the city. when authorities went in to search some of those cells, trying to regain control, re-establish order, a prison riot broke out. they actually set things on fire, three of those inmates were stabbed to death, and one still remains in the hospital with injuries. >> and so how long is it expected those inmates or someone must have taken in order to dig that tunnel? >> reporter: yeah, you better believe that will be a key question of the investigation. when i called the prison this morning, they actually were not answering our questions, citing security, but what we know about that tunnel, it was about 15 feet deep, about 130 feet long, and what it really speaks to, fredericka, is sort of the power of the mexican drug cartels, not only inside, but outside of the prisons. and let's take it back a little bit. just this month, the son of a well known cartel leader escaped from a prison. and let's go back a little further, go back to 2015, el chapo, you made that reference, escaped from a tunnel as well. so i think often times when we think about a u.s. prison versus a mexican prison what the difference is that power and that influence of the cartels that allow them to do such a thing, to build a tunnel that allows 29 inmates to escape. >> all right, layla santiago, mexico city. thanks so much. as president trump follows through on his campaign promise to reform immigration, the victims of domestic violence are becoming afraid to report abuse due to fear of deportation. here's the story of a survivor facing that dilemma. >> reporter: this mother says she was a victim of domestic violence for 12 years, she says that in addition to fearing her husband, she was afraid of being deported and separated from her children. >> translator: my husband would always tell me that he was going to call immigration authorities and that they would take my children away. >> reporter: cracking down on illegal immigration was one of president trump's main campaign promises. >> we have put in place the first steps in our imgrargs plan, ordering the immediate construction on the border wall and putting an end to catch and release. >> reporter: but president donald trump's policies are having an unintended effect, domestic violence are fearing going to police. >> translator: nedomestic violence -- >> reporter: in the first weeks of the trump presidency, immigration authorities carried out what they called routine raids throughout the country, deporting hundreds of undocumented immigrants. >> the targeting of immigrant families are deeply upsetting, cruel and designed to spread fear. >> reporter: organizerings of groups for domestic violence say many immigrants who are abused don't know they can get help and support regardless of their immigration status. the u.s. government also offers the u visa, for victims of mental or physical abuse who are willing to cooperate with police. for this undocumented mother, the u visa was the answer. it gave me hope that i would not be separated from my children. but in this polarizing environment where anti-muslim rhetoric is ram -- rafael romo, cnn. hundreds of russians arrested today for speaking out against their government, next, what sparks these protests? 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>> dmitry medvedev is his name, and he's accused of being corrupt, accused by the main opposition of controlling a sort of vast property empire, of having vineyards, of having yachts, one of the properties he's said to own has a special house that's been built for his pet duck. so it's sort of classic, sort of corruption, eastern europe type of allegations against his spoegszman for the record categorically denies these allegations. but thousands of people came out all across the country to voice their demand for him to resign or for him to be thrown out of office. >> i understand one of those detained is a prominent rush shachb who has announced his intention to run for president next area? >> yes, this is alexi know valley, he's the main opposition figure in russia, he's the man who called these protests, he was detained as soon as he reached central mooscow and has been kept in custody overnight. he's a controversial figure, in the sense that he's been accused of affinities with ultranationalists so he's somebody that doesn't necessarily unite the anti-putin opposition in this country, but he's got a brilliant way of cutting through social media of getting people out into the streets and again, here, really tapping into this sense of injustice in this country about the level of corruption in russia. >> so does this at all reflect the popularity of president vladimir putin? 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when labour left power. secondly, there were is a claim the army has shrunk under conservatives. this is in coming up on the screen but we have gone through that claim and it does show that, it does show that the army has fallen to about 70,000 from a peak of about 100,000. so a couple of claims there that were true, some claims that were quite complicated, one that we think was misleading but there's a lot more of this stuff, christian, on the bbc news website on the live page, we've been backtracking everything. we're going to keep going through some of those numbers and will come up with more later. , ., ., _, ., more later. plenty more to come from nick and his — more later. plenty more to come from nick and his team, _ more later. plenty more to come from nick and his team, do _ more later. plenty more to come from nick and his team, do have _ more later. plenty more to come from nick and his team, do have a - more later. plenty more to come from nick and his team, do have a look- more later. plenty more to come from nick and his team, do have a look on i nick and his team, do have a look on the verify website on the website. we've got some new live questions from the audience tonight, some really good questions as well. let's listen to two of them, one from lucy hockaday and the other will from linda myers. hockaday and the other will from linda myers-—

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hockaday and the other will from linda myers. what matters to you more, economic— linda myers. what matters to you more, economic growth _ linda myers. what matters to you more, economic growth or - linda myers. what matters to you i more, economic growth or successful climate _ more, economic growth or successful climate policy? — more, economic growth or successful climate policy? 1ichthy— more, economic growth or successful climate policy?— climate policy? why is it when iarties climate policy? why is it when parties want — climate policy? why is it when parties want your _ climate policy? why is it when parties want your vote, - climate policy? why is it when parties want your vote, they i parties want your vote, they promised _ parties want your vote, they promised things, but when they are elected _ promised things, but when they are elected nothing gets done? applause by the powers of television i've got lucy and linda standing right next to me. lovely to see you, well done tonight. lucy, let me start with you. what matters to you most, economic growth or, policy. did you cet an economic growth or, policy. did you get an answer? _ economic growth or, policy. did you get an answer? no, _ economic growth or, policy. did you get an answer? no, i— economic growth or, policy. did you get an answer? no, i definitely - get an answer? no, i definitely didn't. which i expected. the voter wants to have both so you would be shooting your party and the foot if you outright said one. so i understand that that's just politics but it felt frustrating to see everyone kind of talk around the subject. everyone kind of talk around the sub'ect. ., , ., , ., subject. there was one party that ou are subject. there was one party that you are leaning — subject. there was one party that you are leaning towards - subject. there was one party that you are leaning towards from - subject. there was one party that you are leaning towards from the | you are leaning towards from the answers you got, would it be... green. the greens, right. what was it about their policy that you like? i think not even just green policy,

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