donald sterling. any moment now, nba commissioner ad sam silver will make an -- adam silver make announcement on the investigation. let's go straight to the our panel and i inspiration for "jerry maguire," leigh steinberg, we have sports attorney lee olenick and sports business journal adam kaplan and fox news's brian kilmeade. give me the legal perspective on this one. what can he do. >> what he can do the commissioner can suspend him indefinitely and fine him up to 2. a million dollars. constitution and within the bylaws allows for that. he can get rid of him. melissa: lee, that is not really get rid of him. do you feel like that is meaningful punishment? if he suspended not doing business at work but could do anything from anywhere. a few million dollars will not make a difference for somebody worth billions. do you that is meaningful. >> what's going to happen here, they will indefinitely suspend him and they will start pushing to get the franchise transferred over. this is his last day as active owner of the clippers. they will force a trade. the whole nba is threatened by this. every revenue source is threatened by it. the nationwide furor is pushing for it. the nba and players are united. they will get rid of donald sterling. they can't take the team from him. they can take away his ability to run the team. and then they will push for a sale. and there are a lot of willing buyers. this will be behind us. melissa: to our viewers. you're looking at screen right now, that is the new york hilton in midtown new york. that is where we're expecting nba commissioner adam silver at any moment to come on. as soon as he starts speaking we'll go to that live. brian, let me ask you, do you agree what you heard so far. >> i do. "tmz" who started this whole thing and word is done. i will share what "tmz" is reporting. the commissioner will suspend donald sterling indefinitely like lee mentioned and impose a million at this million dollar fine but sterling will not be forced to sell the team. the suspension does not include members of his sterling's family. like the san francisco 49er, eddie depart toe low situation where it went to his sister in the immediate family. he is out and there is a fine. melissa: that is what "tmz" is reporting. that is not what fox news is reporting. we want to make sure that we make that clear. daniel, what do you think about that? what does that mean? do you think that in in that situation he would be ultimately forced to sell the team even in that situation. >> whether the nba can force him or not, and they can't under thereby laws and constitution, marketplace realities will likely dictate it. not only are sponsors are pulling out. ticket renewals will have to go out. who will renew their season tickets to a team owned by donald sterling. whether he wants to go or not, also who will sign with the team? what free agent players will sign with the team. beyond the nba's authority, there is marketplace reality. melissa: lee, let me ask you, you're a sports agent. if he just suspended and still the owner would that impact the ability of them to place players on the team, if he is supposedly not actively running day-to-day but still the owner? >> these are the most blatant comments i've seen by an owner on racial issue ever. melissa: right. >> this is not a single person black or white that will sign with that team. this is not a black versus white incidentally. every single this country who is not, doesn't have racial animus is condemning this. melissa: even if he is fined and suspended, what "tmz" is reporting, if that is the reality we hear here in a few minutes even then no one would sign with the team? >> i predict this is just the beginning. behind the scenes as daniel said, market forces are going to push him out. he can't walk out in public in southern california at this point. this will end up with the team being sold and, it will happen before next season. melissa: steve, do you agree with that? if he is suspended, is it enough to bring any sponsors back? >> well, yeah. i mean that's the key. melissa: it is the key. >> you have to suspend him. you have to. this show is about money. it is all about the money. the sponsorships are key here. the nba wants to see the sponsorships back and you know, i know just because i deal with some of the players that actually play on the team -- melissa: what are they saying by the way? what are they saying to you? >> they're disappointed and, you know, they have a job to do. they're in the playoffs. this is a huge distraction. i think that hopefully this is resolved quickly enough that everyone can just move on. >> are they saying they want to get off the team or do they think something really is going to change? >> they, i think it's, more the latter, that something is changed. so immediately. melissa: yeah. daniel, do you agree with that and, you know, in order to get the really full support of the community and sponsors back does he have to make moves to put the team up for sale or sell it? >> oh, yeah. this is step one for the nba today. this is the not endgame, indefinite suspension and a fine. this is just step one. they are going to do what they can to push him out. as i said, i think marketplace forces will do that. but if he, if situation today were the status quo, that would clearly not be enough. he has to go. melissa: yeah, brian, what is frustrating about this he paid, 12 or 18 milliondollars, $12 million in the '80s for this team. if he is quote, unquote, forced to sell it, he could get 700 million, 800 million. there is a whole bunch of different numbers floating around what the team is actually worth. forced to sell, he still has made an enormous profit. is that annoying? >> no. not really. that is the way business works. you know better even than me. i was in los angeles interviewing leigh steinberg whenever he would take my phone calls when i was on sportssports radio, they were biggest joke. they couldn't get anyone to their games and he wouldn't spend money on players. franchise is not worth anything. he decides to hold on draft picks and changes general manager and gets 57 wins. the worth of something is here. he is here and players keep rotating but the franchise is growing. so far they picked the right venue. i'm very interested to see what is going to happen tonight. for example, if he is suspended do players come out with shorts reversed? do fans do the same thing? do they listen to the coach of the other team and mark jackson, boycott the became which he said with his tongue in his cheek and great to go on the road and not have enemy fans yelling at you? there is lot of action going on in front of the building on top of that regardless what is going on in a matter of minutes. melissa: brian -- go ahead. >> the players have to tune all this out. they have have an ability to have a quiet mind. they're always surrounded by distractions. this is obviously over the top but, players have unique ability to focus. i think they were impacted on sunday but they have got to win in spite of donald sterling. they have to win because they started in october working for a goal and now it's close to it. sterling will be long gone but what happens in the playoffs will be right here. sterling's never been a popular figure in los angeles. melissa: that is exactly where i was going to go next. is, you all have been involved with this and covered this for a long time. this is not a big surprise, right? that this is -- >> i live here. melissa: go ahead, yeah. >> i live here. he has never been popular. he buys big ads in "the l.a. times" touting his charitable contributions. in his picture in there many inches high, every single month. so he's, he's all about that. if, taking the team from him is the worst thing you could ever do. he loves being in the spotlight. melissa: even if he makes an incredible mint and ups his fortune by another billiondollars doesn't matter? >> wry an referenced the depart toe low situation where he was involved in gambling. all ed wanted to do was own the team. that was his life. instead he got a lot of money from his sister. she ended up running the team. that was the worst punishment you could ever do. donald sterling who enjoys being on the cutting-edge in the spotlight surrounded by celebrities will now be out of that. and he has got $2 billion. so money is not a concern to him. he is about to be exiled. this is like 1984 with your worst fears in the little cell. this is his worst fear. melissa: brian, do agree with that? >> absolutely, 100%. obviously not doing for the money at this point. he wants to sit in front row and myriad of girlfriend and his wife. can't figure out that situation. melissa: you need a chart. >> in terms of the sports angle they have one the most eloquent coaches, one of the greatest leaders, one of the best people running that team in doc rivers and he is the type of guy that can use this to rally his team. however he has made it clear he might not come back next year, depending on the situation that comes down. so this franchise could end up in disarray. there is a lot of different, there is a lot of different storylines milling about around this because it is no longer the clippers, the butt of everybody's joke and laker are the big team on the block. the world has flipped upside down of the clippers are intryinging, they're young, exciting with this charismatic coach. let's see if they get to the 57 wins and look to do something in the playoffs to spiraling downward again. melissa: but you know, i would ask any of you, maybe steve, you can start, when you look at somebody like doc rivers who is inspirational, everyone is behind, this can't be a surprise to him though this is who this guy is? he deals with him on a day-to-day basis. not like he could have kept these beliefs tucked away. if you're like this, you're like this, right? i mean he already been living in this climate. steve, go ahead. >> one one hers, this show is all about the money and doc rivers was paid very handsomely to take that job. melissa: but it is not enough now? >> well, no now it's not. it is not now because a lot of people are just fed up and they're disgusted by this. and so, but, with that being said, it is about the money in terms of what a lot of people, there is lot of these players that are playing for second contracts, marketing. i mean, they're just not going to stop playing. melissa: yeah. >> that is not -- melissa: daniel, you agree with that. >> i totally agree with that. what we're going to see in the next five, 10 minutes, when adam silver is going up there, he is cleaning up his predecessor's dirty laundry david stern would not clean. it is no secret donald sterling is like this. one of the great black marks on i believe stern's legacy, orchestrated the trade of chris paul to donald sterling's team even though well-known sterling had this racist comments and decision by the department of justice against his he will real estate company about discrimination. silver has to undo the damage. it is significant damage. melissa: lee, do you agree with that? that is interesting perspective what it says about david stern? >> first of all you have to ask yourself, given the fact that elgin baylor had a lot to say about racism when in his own lawsuit and department of justice do the same thing. now you have players coming out of the woodwork who are saying talking about states he made, why did it take this long? that is the first question. and this is, amazing test for adam silver. can you imagine being the job of your dreams and a couple months into it the irony of this all, is that this is a laker town. it's a laker town and i love the clippers but it's a laker town. this is their chance to finally retake los angeles and -- melissa: does this help our hurt that? if you have a change in ownership, they have a fresh start, does it help them take over from l.a.? i'm from l.a. originally. i understand it's a laker town but also a lot of fair weather fans in l.a. originally from somewhere else. it's a town where people root for other teams as well. >> not anymore. melissa: no. >> thank you. i'm part of the first generation of angelinos born here and the lakers have the heart of the town. however, frank mccourt did everything he could to screw up the dodgers and people were staying away from games. they were doing all sorts of things. couldn't stand him. leaves. the next group comes in, the dodgers are on top again. so a new owner who's pr savvy, community savvy, marketing savvy, will have a real chance to, to build on this because lakers are not going to win for the next three years. the clippers are the team with the real chance. melissa: yeah. >> and i think they will turn this all around. they're going to play in spite of donald sterling. melissa: yeah. >> in a few minutes you're going to see the pin go into the balloon and a lot of this anger and outrage dissipate because the ding-dong, the witch is dead. melissa: i just want to remind viewers who are joining us right now we're awaiting for a press conference to begin at the new york hilton in midtown new york. this is nba commissioner adam silver's big decision on what to do about donald sterling who is the owner of the clippers, who of course has been alleged to make some very racist remarks that since friday have been all throughout the media. we're watching him approach the podium right now. >> thank you all for being here. i apologize for starting a little bit late. shortly after the release of an audio recording this past saturday morning, of a conversation that allegedly included clippers owner donald sterling, the nba commenced an investigation which among other things included an interview of mr. sterling. that investigation is now complete. the central findings of the investigation are that the man whose voice is heard on the recording and on a second recording from the same, from the same conversation that was released on sunday is mr. sterling and that the hateful opinions voiced by that man are those of mr. sterling. the views expressed by mr. sterling are deeply offensive and harlful. -- harmful. that they came from an nba owner only heightens the damage and my personal outrage. sentiments of this kind are contrary to the principles of inclusion and respect that form the foundation of our diverse, multicultural, and multi-ethnic league. i am personally distraught that the views expressed by mr. sterling came from within an institution that has historically taken such a leadership role in matters of race relations and caused current and former players, coaches, fans and partners of the nba to question their very association with the league. to them, and piniers of the game like -- pioneers of the game, early lloyd, chuck cooper, sweet water clifton, the great bill russell and particularly magic johnson, i apologize. accordingly effective immediately, i am banning mr. sterling for life from any association with the clippers organization or the in ba. mr. sterling may not attend any nba games or practices. he may not be present at any clippers facility and he may participate in any business or player personnel decisions involving the team. he will also be barred from attending nba board of governors meetings or participating in any other league activity. i'm also fining mr. sterling $2.5 million, the maximum amount allowed under the nba constitution. these funds will be donated to organizations dedicated to antidiscrimination and tolerance efforts that will be jointly selected by the nba and its players association. as for mr. sterling's ownership interest in the clippers, i will urge the board of governors to exercise its authority to force a sale of the team and will do everything in my power to insure that that happens. this has been a painful moment for all members of the nba family. i appreciate the support and understanding of our players during this process and i am particularly greatful for the leadership shown by coach doc rivers, up union president chris paul, and mayor kevin johnson of sacramento, who has been acting as the players representative in this matter. we stand together in condeming mr. sterling's views. they simply have no place in the nba. thank you, and i will take any questions. much. >> take questions now. start with scott in the back right. >> adam scott, bloomberg. do you or any of your emissaries have any clue whether mr. sterling will acquiesce your wishes to sell the team or do you expect a fight? >> i have no idea. >> take the next question, right here, rachel. >> from polling the owners that you have spoken to what support do you think you have to force mr. steriling to sell the team? >> i didn't poll the owners. i spoke to several owners, and i have their full support. >> on the right, brian. >> from associated press. what kind of authority do they have to force a sale? >> the owners have the authority subject to 3/4 vote of the ownership groups, of the partners to remove him as an owner. >> fifth row in the middle. >> i'm lisa guerrero with "inside edition." the word you used specifically was outrage. you said that you were personally outraged yet many people believe that they are outraged that for years people have known that this man is a racist, slum lord, and the nba hasn't done anything until today. can you please answer why? >> i can't speak to past actions other than to say that when specific evidence was brought to the nba, we acted. >> okay. >> over here, second row on the left. >> fox news, kelly file. should someone lose their team for remarks shared in private or is this a slippery slope? >> whether or not these remarks were initially shared in private, they are now public and they represent his views. >> fifth row in the middle. tim? get a microphone there, please. >> "new york post." adam, what was the process to come to this decision over the last couple days and when did you decide that this was the appropriate action to take? >> i ultimately decided this morning that this was the appropriate action and the process beginning saturday morning when this first, when this tape was first released was, to appoint an investigator. it was david anders from the wachtel lipton firm. he conducted a series of interviews, some by phone, some in person. he concluded his investigation late last night. >> 7th row on the left, jeff. give the microphone to jeff, please. no, jeff, right there. 7th row on the left. >> jeff, "usa today." adam, you said you would encourage owners to force the sale of the clippers. when will that action take place? >> the process will begin immediately. we will most likely use a standing committee of the nba, or the live went of our executive committee is our advisory finance committee. i've had several discussions with glen taylor, who is our chairman of the board and also the leader of the advisory finance committee and we will begin that process immediately. >> third row on the end. howard. >> howard beck, bleacher report. adam, in your conversations with sterling, did he own up to this immediately? was it only after you guys had come up with some sort of proof? what if anything has he expressed approaching remorse, regret, anything? what is his sentiment at this point? >> mr. sterling acknowledged it was his voice on the tape and he has not expressed to me directly any other views. >> okay. we'll go right here, please. >> and drew row zare row. commissioner, right here -- andrew rosario. what do you have for the clippers and their fan base and moving forward from this point on? >> my message to the clippers fans that this league is far bigger than any one owner, any one player. this institution has been around for a long time and will stand for a long time. i have complete confidence in doc rivers, in the bass kel ball management of that club and the players deserve their support. they have just been through an incredibly difficult incident in their lives. >> on your left, harvey. over against the wall, adam. >> "new york times." was the punishment designed in effect to get the message across to mr. sterling there is no point in him, no advantage, there is no, nothing to be gained from him continuing his ownership? and also, in determining what the punishment would be, including the suggestion to the board of governors, did you take into account mr. sterling's past behavior or was just based on this one particular incident? >> in meting out this punishment we did not take into account his past behavior. when the board ultimately considers his overall fitness to be an owner in the in ba they will take into account a lifetime of behavior. >> fifth row in the middle. ken. >> ken berger from cbssports.com. adam, could you just explain or lay out for us what specific nower in the constitution and bylaws you exercised with her ban and what specific, was it a broad violation or specific violation? and with respect to the forced sale, what specific section of the constitution covers that? and is that a broad violation or a specific one? >> ken, i will let the lawyers lay out for you the specific provisions you have our constitution. let's leave it we have the authority to act as i have recommended. >>th row in the back, please. >> commissioner, stephanie step from harlem community radio. is the nba considering more african-american ownership at this point. >> sorry, where am i looking? >> 8th row in the back, middle. >> sorry, could you repeat the question. >> sure. stephanie step from harlem community radio. is the nba considering more african-american ownership at this point? >> we're always open to ownership from people with all races, nationalityies ethnicities. we have an after american primary owner. shaquille o'neil became an owner of the sacramento kings. david robinson. person important in mumbai, india, became primary owner of sacramento kings. very diverse league. i want to see it become more diverse. >> what about magic johnson is that an option at this point? >> magic johnson knows he is welcome in this league. he has been a part owner in the past of the los angeles lakers. he is always welcome and close friend of the nba family. >> on your left. >> maggie gray from si.com. did you talk to any players before you came to this decision? what about clippers players if they don't want to play for a team owned by donald sterling anymore, do they have any recourse. >> i talked to several players before rendering my decision. coincidentally i had a trip planned for this weekend. i was in memphis for a game. i was in oakland, and then i was in portland sunday night for games. i had a chance to talk directly to chris paul. i spoke to other members of the team. i spoke extensively to doc rivers and i said, kevin johnson has been representing players interests. he and i have been talking multiple times a day. so i believe the players will be satisfied with the decision and the renderings that we've made today. if a player in the future doesn't want to play for the los angeles clippers and he is under contract, we'll deal with that when it happens. but that is not my sense of where we are right now. >> back on the left, by the cameras. >> hi. kelly night from the insider. will this situation cause you moving forward to put new rules in place for owners from the nba? >> i'm not sure. i mean, we're always willing to take a fresh look at our rules, our constitution and bylaws, but, i believe we have appropriate rules in place right now to cover a situation like this. >> second row on the left, ian. >> ian o'connor, espn. to be clear you said when specific evidence was brought to the league you did act. so in past cases, has donald sterling ever been fined or suspended for racial or offensive remarks? in not, why not. >> he has never been suspended or fined by the league because while there have been well-documented rumors and cases filed, he was sued and, the plaintiff lost the lawsuit. that was elgin baylor. there was a case brought by the department of justice in which ultimately donald sterling settled and there was no finding of guilt. and those are the only cases that have been brought to our attention. and when those, when that those two litigations were brought they were followed closely by the league office. >> just follow-up to that one of the greatest players of all time, he elgin baylor accused donald sterling running a plantation-style franchise. did not concern you? why was that not investigated? despite the fact he lost the case he has prominent standing in the league and said some very serious things. >> it concerned us greatly. we followed the litigation closely and ultimately elgin baylor did not prevail in that litigation. >> second row right on the right side. >> commissioner silver, brandon robinson, source magazine the obviously carmax and state farm withdrew their sponsorship with the l.a. clippers of the as you the commissioner of nba what would you tell people on the fence or people have withdrawn to want to invest in your franchises of the l.a. clippers? >> i would say those marketing partners of the clippers and partners of the entire nba should judge us by our response to this incident. i think we've responded appropriately. and i would be hopeful they would return into their business relationships with the clippers. >> on the left on the front, against the wall over there left. >> thank you, jason carroll with cnn i'm wondering if you have spoken to mr. sterling about this ban or any of his representatives? if so, what has mr. sterling's reaction been to the punishment? >> i did not speak directly to his representatives about this ban. they were informed shortly before this press conference. i did not hear precisely what their reaction was. the reaction was? >> robert silverman from the daily beast. have there been any decisions about whether the immediate members of mr. sterling's family including rochelle and his, will be allowed to remain in ownership or managerial position? >> there have been no decisions by other members of the sterling family and i should say this ruling applies specifically to donald sterling and donald sterling's conduct only. >> on the right. >> commissioner, mike mccarthy. as you mentioned, over a dozen sponsors dropped the clippers. what has been a financial impact on this franchise and on the league from this >> i don't know. this is all happening in three days and so i am hopeful there will be no long-term damage to the league and clippers organization but as i said earlier i am outraged so i understand other people's outrage and this will take some time and appropriate healing will be necessary. i can understand precisely with the they are people affiliated with the nba or the clippers or corporate partners, and i will do my best to come back to the nba family. in the middle, sixth row. >> john gregory from time. if the owners vote not to force the sale can you under your powers institute the lifetime ban? >> the lifetime ban has been instituted for forcing the sale of the team. >> in the middle, mike mccarl please. >> share with your initial reaction was when you first heard the voice on the tape. >> one i first heard it i was shocked. i was hoping it was fraudulent or doctored to and wasn't in the donald sterling. i have known donald for 20 years. and they said about immediately investigating and that was my reaction to bear down as quickly as possible. >> mayor johnson coz indicated would like the lead to undertake a full accounting of donald sterling's past, and to act until now, is that and a county would be willing to undertake and would you make an effort to meet out the personal views of other nba owners? >> i had multiple conversations with kevin johnson and i am hoping the actions we take today will satisfy our players. i believe they should. >> right in front. >> can you tell us you have known donald sterling for 20 years. what about your reaction over 20 years didn't like? have you seen anything like this? what kind of man would you judge him to be? >> i had not been close to him but nothing i have seen in his behavior that would evidence these views. because there have been a lot of public filings about his activities i have been aware of those accusations but nothing i have seen firsthand would indicate he held the views that were expressed on these audio recordings. >> back in the middle. >> adam silver responding to donald sterling's now confirmed racist remarks. adam silver saying donald sterling, owner of the clippers did in fact acknowledge that that was him on the recordings coming down hard on him, banning donald sterling for life from the nba, from the clippers. allowed to attend games are practices for the rest of his life. he is getting the maximum fine which is $2.5 million as well as they are urging the board of governors to force a sale that would take three quarters vote from the board of governors to remove him. let's go to our panel, the inspiration for jerry mcguire, lee feinberg, sports business journal -- fox news's to brian kilmeade. what is your response? >> i thought he was brilliant. he did exactly what i predicted he would do earlier and he went ahead and exercise every single power he has, actually used the first of his powers to ban him for life, he used the second of his powers to find him, use the third -- was very explicit in all the things he did not do. and that he would push the other owners to revoke the franchise. he could do that by an 75% vote for behavior that they feel is deleterious to the league. as i said before, i got to think this is going to defuse a lot of anger and lead to some healing. melissa: donald sterling is refusing comment but he did, and to fox news channel contributed jim gray before the press conference began, he said the clippers not for sale and he is not selling the team but he did say he didn't know at the time the suspensions and the fan -- we will wait at the same time, and just abbreviate what he said. what does that tell you about what you think he will fight from here? >> i think he will try to be creative and he is the billionaire. he may try to transfer the team somewhere. he will be that quarterback to the team but this is his baby. they were very explicit in terms of him. and this applies to donald sterling alone. do you weigh in? >> relevant portions of the nba constitution and bylaws over the weekend and deals with financial distressed debt. this issue in terms of bringing ill repute to the nba. that is not in that section. >> they do have the power -- >> a lot of these donors are going to wonder all so, if he can do this to sterling what happens if what happens down the road? does it become a slippery slope? liz: magic johnson taking to twitter, former and current nba players are very happy and satisfied with commissioner silver's ruling, that is what magic johnson is tweeting. brian kilmeade, what happens from here? >> a lot of drama. they will push their case forward. i am very interested to see the follow-up questions. what were you doing up until this time? what about past incidents? did that factor in? what were you thinking of a 20 relationship with a guy with a track record like this and never before bringing him on the coffin with a fine because of past behavior. that is where the story goes. melissa: he exhibited this behavior in the past, very hard for reporters to believe but regardless, gentlemen, thanks for your tremendous insight for sticking through that thing, we appreciate it. the obama 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you guys took it up from their tweeting responses to the white house. we ask the head administration to discuss it. it has been radio silence of far. you to break all down, prof. marcus brennan and baron senior editor jack howell. thanks for joining me. what do you think of this? they blast with a tweet, the graphic, it looks beautiful, 120 characters, they should throw it out, there's an enormous response and nothing. >> minimum wage legislation only outlaws jobs. it does not create a single lie. that is the thing we don't need right now. it raising minimum wage will heard those who don't produce. melissa: as the president know that? >> he saw the cbo report. melissa: you would think because it is the congressional budget office and is supposed to do in a non-partisan way crunching numbers of the president and other lawmakers make a better decision. >> the same report said it would create $2 billion in extra real wages. i hope i don't get card offer taking the aside but i do think -- melissa: we welcome the other side, we asked the white house to come on. >> we had a minimum wage in this country since 1938 budget has been good for rising prosperity for the most part in america but has fallen behind inflation. raising the minimum wage is the free market position. almost half of republicans supported and the reason when you look at the people out there that pay low wages the walmarts, mcdonald's, yum brands, target and so forth, their workers have to go to food stamps, go to be earned income tax credit to make up the money to feed their families and where does that come from? might pay. if i subsidize walmart -- melissa: what about the almost a million people the cbo says the be as high as a million, 5 ended thousand is their conservative estimate, what happens to those people who now don't have a job at all and are on unemployment? does that not cause tax dollars? >> the cbo did some scenarios looking at minimum wage to $9, $10 and said here are some things -- melissa: no economist -- >> why haven't we seen rampant unemployment over the years when we were raising the minimum wage. >> uses a floor you create a surplus, with the wage rate, surplus of excess labor, those who cannot produce, if we want to raise the wage to help people why raise it to $20 or $30 or $40? few things -- melissa: one not do that? >> you have to -- melissa: is not a silly argument. why not raise it higher? >> where does that get anyone working in 2000 and hours a year? >> you have to find a balance, you have the thin balance of power between companies that have jobs to give them people who they needed jobs anywhere and will into work for next to nothing and the extra money to put food on their table is coming from me, the american taxpayer. melissa: and feeding people who are unemployed. what do you say to the person who loses their job, it was worth it for the other guy who has more money that you don't have. >> we are not going to get this through congress anyway so what the president is looking for -- melissa: what do you say to that person? the person who gets laid off as a result of wage going up, many business owners say they will lay off people. how do you -- >> i'm not sure it is set in stone. plenty of people don't think it will have an effect on employment. melissa: would be using? >> walmart is looking at voluntarily the idea of voluntarily raising the minimum wage that they pay even without actual -- melissa: that is voluntarily raising the wage, that is not government telling them how to run their business. >> they're stagnant in the u.s. because their workers are also their customers and customers can't afford to shop -- melissa: sounds like they have the solution in hand, ready to raise the wage themselves. why get the government involved. >> not all of the will. the minimum wage has fallen behind, we ask last at increasing 2009. dropped 30% versus inflation over the past several decades. melissa: we are out of time. >> raise the minimum wage raise unemployment. >> not that simple. melissa: big week for the markets with the fed minutes. but now we have liz claman to tell us what we should expect in the last hour of trading today. what do you have coming up? ready to hand off to you the week have been having a great time. liz: that situation with the nba as historic and is making and we are on it and we have live reporters on the scene at the nba conference talking about how donald sterling of the clippers has been banned for life. it is acute business story. i don't know if you heard but adam silver, the nba commissioner made reference to all of those people, all of those companies who are sponsoring the clippers. he had a very interesting comment. we will replay that and talk about the business angle of this. speaking of business this e o of mgm resorts' coming on the fox business first on fox discussion became in with gangbuster numbers. they are doing beautifully in china so it has been very good for their business. we will talk to him about a new project they are putting on a las vegas strip that has nothing to do with gambling or gaming. that is very interesting. expects it to bring in a lot of revenue. melissa: great rally out there. i will use that from now on. investors ramping up ahead of twitter's crucial earnings report. what you need to watch for a stock that has been crushed more than 30%. don't go away. peace of mind is important when you're running a successful business. so we provide it services you can rely on. with centurylink as your trusted it partner, you'll experience reliable uptime for the network and services you depend on. multi-layered security solutions keep your information safe, and secure. and responsive dedicated support meets your needs, and eases your mind. centurylink. your link to what's next. humans. even when we cross our "ts" and dot our "i's", we still run into problems. that's why liberty mutual insurance offers accident forgiveness with our auto policies. if you qualify, your rates won't go up due to your first accident. because making mistakes is only human, and so are we. we also offer new car replacement, so if you total your new car, we'll give you the money for a new one. call liberty mutual insurance at... and ask us all about our auto features, like guaranteed repairs, where if you get into an accident and use one of our certified repair shops, the repairs are guaranteed for life. so call... to talk with an insurance expert about everything that comes standard with our base auto policy. and if you switch, you could save up to $423. liberty mutual insurance -- responsibility. what's your policy? >> with reporting its second earnings report with little more than an hour left to trade before the big report. what do you need to know to break it down? jack howell of baron's, let me start with you. what do you expect? >> i am expecting user growth to continue to decline. that has been the problem for the last couple quarters. revenue is up and strong. the estimate going in, the concern is how they're doing on engagement and user growth and those numbers are going the wrong way. melissa: investors watching and trading pricing at 11% move on this market, and you think it could be a beat? >> setting up expectations to beat them on reporting time. and the user growth and engagement. and we expect to see strong growth in some form, hasn't been around lately for twitter. melissa: do they have a way of wrote -- how could they inspire you to think the growth was rum 1/4? >> they have to showcase a way to get users in larger numbers. the issue is for all the social network users tend to get tired of the matter of period of time experiencing that tiredness. they got the current again. the activity surrounding the basketball tweets helps them for twitter. they have got to show they can sustain those activities people are still going to twitter to break their thoughts on breaking news. if they can do that they get people inside. melissa: that is the dichotomy of twitter. magic johnson's response on twitter, that is where you look at people respond. at the same time as reports that as many as 40% of the folks on twitter are fake. how do you reconcile that? >> the rest of the mark people to in our business would could watch on tv or self-promotion, they don't have tremendous ordinary users. it has been made simpler to follow what conversation. i am not quite sure. doesn't seem to be catching on in a way that would live up to stock valuation. they need miraculous growth to justify the stock price. melissa: thanks to both of you. slashing air fares that piling on a ton of new fees, the high cost of flying a low-fare carrier. using the overhead bin is going to cost you now. you can never have too much money. stick with innovation. stick with power. stick with technology. get the flexcare platinum from philips sonicare and save now. philips sonicare she loves a lot of it's what you love about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approvedo treat ed and symptoms obph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, se immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than 4 hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or iyou have any allergic reactions such as rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a 30-tablet free trial. melissa: time for spare change. frontier airlines will charge $50 for over said -- charging for personal items under the feet in front of the. travel expert mark murphy joins me, $20 for frequent-flier, $20 and of time for everyone else, if $35 and you realize you want to use the overhead bin at check-in and $50 for all the sad facts and realize the gate to pay for the been. are they going to make money on this in conjunction with lowering fees? >> in the back end, the whole idea was to make more money selling airtran by showing the cheapest fare up front that is how kayak and all of the other shopping sites arrange the affairs of frontier comes up first and gets the booking and on the back end. says the idea. melissa: people won't get better when they get to the bagels and realize they don't want to sit on the seat, in the last minute. >> and paying at the gate, that is happening. i think people, airlines rank below the irs, already pushing back. melissa: another great one, they want to charge you in advance. if you're willing to wing it, and -- do you actually -- >> $3. they are cheaper than anybody else. and usa and american airlines are now $200? they were below a lot of other guys. melissa: winner or loser for business? >> for them is a winner. that is all we have for you. don't forget to tune in tomorrow and 2:00 p.m. eastern. it is fed day, live coverage of t fed decision, a marked up 100 points, countdown starts right now. >> will the market's tumble merely valley today or fight the bullfight? 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that has meant team has come out and is china figure out what exactly is going on.--has mat game five is in the books. the warriors fall to the clippers tonight. 113-to-103. after an emotional day for the n-b-a. hours after the league banned clippers owner donald sterling for life. over racist comments he admits to making. in a recorded conversation with his girlfriend which were made public. "i am gaining mr. sterling for life. i hope that every bit in this country seized happens to mr. sterling and recognizes if he can fall so can you." "mr. sterling and bears the league" in addition to being banned for life. donald sterling was fined two- point- five million dollars. and he may be forced to sell the team -- if 75- percent of n-b-a team owners. vote to force him to do so. kron 4's j-r stone is live in los angeles. outside the staples center. with reaction from fans and the coaches. j.r.? : state warriors were down most the game and ended up losing the game. however most of the talk of here today was about race. "i told the players about the decision. i think they're happy there was a resolution and it was over. having someone who has these thoughts and runs the scheme impacted us all." while there was a game inside there was a protest outside. many are not happy that sterling is still an owner of the team. there are certainly strong opinions profanatiothroughout t. keep it here for more on the clippers controversy. in 20-minutes, our sports director gary radnich will give his take. plus, highlights from the game. we also have an interview with n-b-a hall of famer - nate thurmond. and you can watch the n-b-a commissioner's announcement in it's entirety -- at kron 4.com. tempters much warmer a family saw yesterday. we even set a new high-temperature and headword in santa rosa. a lot of upper 80s out there around the bay area. the insurer still in the '60s and high fifties around the bay area--temperatures. now. kron 4's alecia reid follows up. with how groups are banding together. to 'right' a wrong. there are no sounds coming from wilcox high school's garden. the chicken coop is empty.and the duck and rabbit are also missing. police say 3 middle school aged boys broke in and killed the animals over the weekend. santa clara unified school district spokeswoman jennifer dericco says the animals are very much a part of the school environment. they were used in the gardens program, which is connected to the science curriculum. sot - especially our biology courses.culinary arts program as well. 2 chickens were left unhurt. understandably they are being safeguarded. the school district has made counsleors and psychologists available for those that are left scarred by these acts of vandalism. the community has also stepped up with outpouring support. sot - offering to give the school chicks and chickens and .recover from this. before the school can accept any animals into its program, we're told the school will have to figure out a new infrastructure that'll provide a more secure closure around the garden to make sure this doesn't happen again. coming up: the unusual sea creature captured on camera swimming in lake merritt! 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[doorbell rings] hey. hey. so you won't miss a minute of the game. call now to get a u-verse bundle for the same great price for 2 years. guaranteed. last friday, kron 4 brought you exclusive surveillance video of vandals. that went after more than 30-cars and 2-homes in antioch. and today, antioch police posted *this new surveillance video on youtube. it is another look at the suspects. possibly tied to some 33- acts of vandalism. philpolice hope someone will recognize them. and help turn a rare sight in the east bay-- a stingray. in lake merritt! ashley garver spotted this guy around 10- this morning. she says, the stingray was near the grand lake theater side of the lake. swimming along the shoreline. lake merritt is a combination of salt and fresh water. stingrays are not the only wildlife seen in the lake. last fall, someone spotted an otter. more on the n-b-a, donald sterling's bigoted comments, and how oprah winfrey is getting involved. see it, after the news. kron 4's investigation of maggots inside the meat counter at the whole foods in noe valley, has taken a turn tonight, after kron 4 began asking tough questions of whole foods. female narrator: for over 60,000 california foster children female narrator: for over 60,000 california a pair of shoes is a small but important gift. my shoes have a hole in them. i can barely fit in these anymore. i hope no one would notice. they hurt my feet. i never had new shoes before. to help, sleep train is collecting new shoes of all sizes. bring your gift to any sleep train, and they'll be given to a local foster child in need. not everyone can be a foster parent... but anyone can help a foster child. which will cause me to miss the end of the game. the x1 entertainment operating system lets your watch live tv anywhere. can i watch it in butterfly valley? sure. can i watch it in glimmering lake? yep. here, too. what about the dark castle? you call that defense?! come on! [ female announcer ] watch live tv anywhere. the x1 entertainment operating system, only from xfinity. despite whole foods claim, s that this is an "isolated incident". the san francisco public health department says. " it can't be an isolated maggot. if you see one, there's more somewhere." the health department also says, whole foods has not moved fast enough to resolve this urgent issue. especially when whole foods is selling food products to the public. on friday, kron 4 news told you that maggots were found in the store's meat case last monday. since that time, the case has been cleaned several times, but during a health inspection on friday, the public health department ordered the market. to clean all floor sinks below the meat case, because it could be the source of the problem. inspectors returned today and found. that work had not been done yet, despite being told it would whole foods chalks that up to a mis-communication, and has now promised the work will begin this evening. now new details have surfaced about how the market's meat department dealt with the maggot issue in the first place. what the grocery store told the health department and told kron4. dan kerman reports. in a story you will see only on 4. sot: marc melancon/meat clerk: i can actually see maggots underneath the plastic right near the meat i was selling inside the case maggots inside a meat counter. two clerks from the wholefoods on 24th street in san francisco have come forward to kron4 explaining what they saw and what happened last week. sot: marc melancon/meat clerk: there were maggots literally infested underneath the meat trays in the case discovery of maggots in the meat case at the whole foods in san francisco's noe valley has led the grocery company to issue conflicting stories about what whole foods knew and when they knew it. on friday, whole foods told the san francisco health department they had discovered just "one dead maggot in the front. of the display unit." but the meat clerks told kron4news last week they were alive and numbered 30 or 40. now whole foods is changing their story, telling kron4news: "on monday 4/21, we discovered several live maggots beneath the meat case, not in with the meat. " the story has changed from one dead maggot to several live ones, but instead of inside the unit, they are now saying they were under the unit. whole foods meat clerk marc melancon says the maggots were definitely inside the case and he says there's something else that disturbs him more. sot: marc melancon/meat clerk: we knew the maggots were there and we continued selling meat. melancon says for some 7 hours clerks continued to sell meat knowing there were maggots in the case sot: marc melancon/meat clerk: morally and mentally i have been having issues since monday about my actions on selling meat because i don't want to put anybody at risk, like any kind of health risk, i actually want to apologize to anybody i can or any person i sold meat to." whole foods would not address that issue. only saying "we deep cleaned and sanitized the case as soon as store leadership learned of the issue on monday evening." but melancon doesn't buy that explanation, because he says the decision to deep clean after closing was made in the afternoon. sot: marc melancon/meat clerk: the decision to deep clean the case came when i got to work at 230, they told us we were deep cleaning the case which we do on tuesdays and wednesday. standup: we asked whole foods to clear up these discrepancies, but they refused to answer our questions only to say "what's important for people to know is that the cases are clean, we passed health inspection and there was never a public health risk." but the fact is, whole foods has not cleaned the cases to the satisfaction of the san francisco public health department and this report issued late tuesday afternoon says just that and points to the floor drains which could be a breeding ground for the maggots. furthermore whole foods claims that there was no public health risk, but that can't be substantiated because the health department inspected 4 days after the maggots were discovered and cleaned up. as of friday there was no public health risk, as to the days prior to that, we only have the word of whole foods and as we have seen, many of their statements have proven to be inaccurate. dan kerman, kron4news och tabriz in clear skies and warm temptress and never '50s and '60s. in this modern noisette some recordstomorrow we will ses with temperatures in the '90s. the threat of violent weather continues tonight. as more storms strike in the deep south. in the past two days. at least 35 people have been killed in tornadoes. across a half- dozen states. yesterday. at least 9 people were killed in mississippi alone. including the owner of a day care center. who died with a child clutched in her arms. the baby was alive -- and rushed into treatment. weather officials say, three dozen tornadoes have pummeled the mid- west and south since the weekend. a private australian company claims. it has found debris that could be from missing malaysian airlines flight 3-70. the exploration company says, it has identified chemical elements belonging to a boeing triple- 7 , in the bay of bengal. far north from where the search has been focused. the australian- led search team is dismissing the company's claims. saying the jet went down in the southern indian ocean. but malaysia officials say, they are working to assess the credibility of the finding. diving crews say they have located the fuselage of a plane that crashed over the weekend. and they plan to pull it out of san pablo bay some time tomorrow. helicopter partnership with abc according to the n-t-s-b.the crash happened sunday when two planes bumped into each other while attempting a passing manuever. one of them -- a cessna 2-10 -- crashed into the bay. hawaii's department of human services says. the father of the 15-year-old santa clara boy, who stowed away in a wheel well of a jetliner out of san jose. has arrived now in honolulu to meet with his son. the department did not talk about the teen's release, citing privacy concerns. the high school student survived a five -and- a -half hour flight from san jose to maui. after hopping a fence at san jose airport and climbing into the wheel well of the jet. in sports. n-b-a hall of famer nate thurmond. gives his take on the league's punishment for donald sterling. . and there was a big game tongiht too. gary has warriors- clippers game five highlights. plus the giants and a's. earier tonight we asked nba hall of famer and former warrior nate thurmond how he felt about the nba's response to donald sterling's racist comments. giants/padres to said that said panetta everybody wh so what we're looking for is a way to "plus" our accounting firm's mobile plan. and "minus" our expenses. we're offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for business. run the numbers on that. well, unlimited talk and text, and ten gigs of data for the five of you would be... thirty-five bucks each! 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then -- elvis' secret love nest. exclusive. on the anniversary of his sudden death, your first look inside his desert hideaway. ♪ plus, secrets of the shark whisperer. how did he get them to do that? now "inside edition" in high definition with deborah norville. >> diane: hello and thank you for joining us. i'm diane mcinerney in today for deborah norville. it was supposed to be the happiest day of her life but this bride's day started with a major isis. her wedding gown was stolen but in her desperate call to 911. never did she think the operator on the other end of that call would actually save the day. >> the beautiful bride is wearing a very scial wedding gown but the story might renew your faith in humanity. her name is amanda and just hours before her wedding, disaster struck. somebody broke into the trunk of her car outside her home in kent, washington and stole her wedding dress. >> it was actually a cousin of mine. so she was handing it down to me. >> amanda called 911. she was so upset, the operator could barely understand her. >> now we've seen wedding dress disasters before. when this wisconsin woman's precious wedding dress was stolen she didn't take it lying down. >> all i could think was -- i'm going to catch the little punks that did this. >> alena gadke found her stolen wedding dress for sale on craigslist and worked with cops to set up a sting operation to buy the dress back from the thief who'd swiped it. [ sirens ] >> that's my dress. >> but back to amanda's wedding dress crisis and the 911 call which suddenly took an odd turn when the operator asked -- >> why would the operator ask such a question? because this was the operator. a woman named candice and the gown she wore a year and a half ago on her wedding day. she told gma she thought it would fit amanda just right. >> so i'm thinking well i have a dress. you know maybe it will work for her. >> that's right. this big hearted 911 operator lent her wedding dress to the bride in distress just in time for the happy wedding. >> oh my gosh. >> after the joyous ceremony amanda went to personally thank candice. a 911 operator who truly came through in an emergency. >> diane: the 911 operator's boss says she is an extraordinary person and her good deeds are typical behavior. those self-proclaimed rednecks on "duck dynasty" have a whole lot to celebrate. the debut of their new season was the high estreated show ever on cable. but despite all that success, one member of the bearded family was just shown the door at a posh new york city hotel owned by donald trump after he was mistaken for a homeless man. >> they have a huge hit tv show. but that doesn't guarantee they'll be given vip treatment. not when you look like this. the "duck dynasty" family was in new york to kick off the a&e show's season four premiere and they were staying at the trump international hotel just off of central park. one of the city's swankiest, that's when one of them was mistaken for a homeless person. jase robertson asked a hotel employee where the men's room was. instead jase says he was escorted to the front door. >> i asked where the bathroom was and he said right this way sir. he was very nice. [ laughter ] walked outside and he pointed down the road and said good luck. my wife said what happened? i said i just got kicked out. [ laughter ] >> the hotel which is owned by donald trump issued this statement -- >> the "duck dynasty" guys say it's not the first time they've been mistaken for homeless people. pretty ironic considering they just made tv history. this week's premiere just became the highest rated cable program ever. with 11.8 million people tuning in. it even beat out the miniseries "the bible." they are members of the robertson family from monroe, louisiana. "inside edition" went behind the scenes at duck commander. the company that is making them fabulously rich. >> never thought i'd be a millionaire selling duck calls. >> 40 years ago, phil robertson was a clean cut star college quarterback. he married his sweetheart kay and then went into an unlikely business. making duck calls out of this small backwoods shed. his son willie who graduated from business school is crediting with expanding the brand name. the wives of the "duck dynasty" men would never be mistaken for homeless. these classy counterparts love their guys just the way they are. >> if all the money went away and we had to live in a trailer down by the river, we'd be just as happy. >> diane: and to think all this started by just making duck calls in the family shed. last time we told you about the latest you get a car girl who went into complete shock and elation when oprah winfrey gave her a brand new free car on "jimmy kimmel live." well, now the lucky girl is talking to "inside edition." >> you get a car! >> what? >> you get a car. >> talk about luck. she just won that brand new car from oprah. >> wait a minute. i don't understand -- >> and now we're learning who she is. her name is brittany jordan. she's a 25-year-old graduate student from iowa who grew up in l.a. we were there as she drove her new car for the first time. take a walk around your new car. what do you think? >> it's so sleek and shiny and new. and -- awesome. >> the lady in the blue. you right there. you -- come up here a minute please. >> oprah plucked brittany out of the audience on "late night with jimmy kimmel" and it wasn't a setup. she had no idea what was coming her way. >> she locked eyes with me and said lady in the blue or whatever and i was like me. i thought they were going to interview me or have me do something embarrassing. >> you get a car. >> she got a ford fusion hybrid energy. a brand new plug-in hybrid. this is where you plug it in. >> i didn't notice it. oh my gosh. that's awesome. >> she's still pinching herself from getting the hybrid. from none other than oprah. >> thank you jimmy and oprah. i can't wait. to drive my new ford back to iowa. >> diane: brittany has been driving a pickup truck. we are learning more today about the tragic death of that '70s show star lisa robin kelly. she went from popular sitcom star to living in a car and battling an addiction problem. so what happened? >> we're learning more about the shocking death of "that '70s show" actress lisa robin kelly at the age of just 43. this tragic mug shot was taken last year of lisa. compare it to this photo from the show that made huge stars out of mila kunis and ashton kutcher. her estranged husband robert gilliam tells "inside edition" that she was treated in hospital emergency rooms four times since may 15th for alcohol poisoning. her latest hospitalization was just this past sunday when her blood alcohol level was an astronomical .34. which is borderline fatal. >> reports say that she's had an incredibly high alcohol level which also will add to any other drugs you might have had. even alone the detox from alcohol is pretty scary. with a blood level like that. >> lisa spoke with jim moret last year when we found her homeless, living out of her car. >> hey listen i like you, you guys are great. >> she and her husband divorced just last month. he said she'd been in and out of rehab 22 times in her lifetime. lisa had just checked into her latest rehab center in california and died in her sleep from cardiac arrest. >> diane: the actress also appeared on other popular sitcoms including "married with children" and "murphy brown." he was one of the most memorable "american idol" contestants ever. season one runner-up justin guarini. but justin has hit hard times. he now says he struggles every day. >> justin was surely set for stardom. when he came in second to kelly clarkson in the first season of "american idol" in 2002. ♪ but today, justin has hit hard times. -- justin says. 34-year-old justin and his wife reina have two children but after his startling comments made headlines, justin backtracked tweeting -- >> diane: we'll be right back. next -- ♪ elvis' secret love nest. exclusive, on the anniversary of his sudden death, your first look inside his desert hideaway. >> then what happened to these young women will shock you. she's missing. she was assaulted. an "inside edition" investigation. modeling websites. aspiring models beware. >> plus -- secrets of the shark whisperer. how did he get them to do that? 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sharks respond this way only that they are not hurt by it. look when he lets the shark go it seems just fine. it's an amazing aspect of these fascinating creatures rarely caught on tape. >> diane: 36 years ago, elvis presley died. but here's something you don't know about the king of rock and roll. he had a secret love nest tucked away in palm springs. and now jim moret takes you on an exclusive tour. >> at first glance, this looks just like an ordinary house in the desert but this is the secret love nest built for the king. ♪ elvis presley bought this hideaway in palm springs in 1970 for just over $100,000 from the founder of mcdonald's hamburgers. and now "inside edition" takes you on this exclusive tour of the 5100 square foot home where elvis hooked up with his secret lovers. ♪ only a sparse amount of furniture remains in the living room which was party central. and this is the bar where elvis entertained his buddies from his so-called memphis mafia. there's even a turquoise tiled shower built for four. in the kitchen with the original oven and vintage cabinets you can almost smell the fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches that elvis famously ate the day he died exactly 36 years ago today. and this is the master bedroom. everything in red. this was a room for elvis alone. his wife priscilla slept down the hall. elvis left the building a long time ago and next month, the whole place opens to the public so you can see up close where the king held court secretly squired his ladies. >> diane: the current owner paid $1,725,000 to own this piece of history. he plans on charging about $20 per person to go on a tour of the property. it is one of the hottest websites for aspiring models, modelmayhem.com allows young women to post profiles and hopefully be discovered. but we investigated and found out models should beware of some of the people lurking on this site. lisa guerrero has the story. >> modeling is a dream job for many young women hoping to get discovered overnight. just like kate upton. ♪ 19-year-old kara nichols had the same dream. last october she left home for a modeling job she got through a website. modelmayhem.com. her family hasn't seen her since. >> i believe a predator found my daughter on modelmayhem. >> this model from houston asked that we just use her first name lincoln. she was brutally raped by two men posing as casting directors who contacted her through modelmayhem. they lured her to this hotel in miami for a casting call. this surveillance video shows lincoln and one of the men. taking the elevator to her room. she thought it was to take photographs. she was drugged and sexually assaulted. listen to her desperate 911 call -- >> these men had a history of doing this over and over and over again. on the modelmayhem site. >> lincoln and her attorney jeff herman blamed modelmayhem. they say the website knew the men were trolling for potential targets but failed to post any warning. both men were convicted and are now serving life sentences. we wanted to find out who else might be trolling the modelmayhem website. an "inside edition" producer signed up using the name miss ashley with these snapshots. within minutes, she was bombarded with messages from men who wanted to meet her. >> would you be interested and available next to shoot lingerie photos? >> but the message we got from a man using the screen name velvet tears was particularly creepy. >> hi, this is ashley. >> in a phone conversation he revealed he wasn't interested in taking photos. he was actually recruiting her for a party being held at a new york city nightclub called the k. lounge atop the bombay palace restaurant. our producer went in wearing a hidden camera. inside a dimly lit room with a bar and couches all around. >> nice to meet you finally. >> and this is the man who called himself velvet tears, turns out the real name is angelico diamante. what's up with the party? turns out the guests were into foot fetishes. for $20, they got to touch the women's feet. of course, our producer left the party. that's when angelico followed her out and i definitely had a few questions for him. hi sir -- i'm lisa guerrero with "inside edition." are you luring women from modelmayhem to come to these parties to be groped by strange men? or do you think this is a legitimate modeling job for these women? >> the people that are contacting you or whatever, hey i'd like to take your picture, there's no one really checking them out to make sure they're legitimate. >> simon roger owns the agency, an online talent agency in manhattan. he says young women have no idea what kind of creeps may be lurking on sites like modelmayhem. >> it's just a recipe for disaster. >> diane: bomb buy palace the restaurant where that party was held said they had no idea what was going on and are no longer allowing the parties to be held there. modelmayhem had no comment. ♪ [ male announcer ] some people lift your spirits... the same way the smooth, creamy taste of coffee-mate... makes coffee and your day better. coffee-mate. coffee's perfect mate. >> diane: she's a successful lawyer and has a high ranking job working with new york governor andrew cuomo. but incredibly, when she was younger, she was actually homeless and how her life turned around is truly remarkable. regina calcaterra is a high powered lawyer. she lives in a beautiful house on long island, new york. and you'd never guess that she used to be homeless. >> my mother was mentally ill. and she self-medicated through drugs and alcohol and she had five children with five different men and she was not capable to take care of us. >> they learned to take care of each other. her heart-breaking saga is detailed in her new book -- "etched in sand: a true story of five siblings who survived an unspeakable "etched in sand: a true story of five siblings who survived an unspeakable childhood on long island." >> our source of strength came from each other. >> she says their mom let them fend for themselves when she wasn't buzzing them. -- abusing them. >> she would tie me up to a radiator and bed and leave me there for days, she didn't know was that first i had a very strong spirit and second my siblings would be sneaking in and giving me good and water. >> this is where they lived. behind a supermarket. >> this is where we would make our beds. and we would make it out of cardboard boxes we would get from the back of the grocery store and lay them down here and this is where we would sleep for the night. >> this library was the safe haven. >> i would take my siblings here because i was the parent essentially. >> their mother died in? 1999 and she managed to put herself through law school. incredibly the five kids now all grown up are doing well. regina hopes her story serves as a cry for help for children in desperate circumstances. >> just the thought ofpy book actually being in -- my bob actually being in the library where i came as a kid that maybe one day that one of these kids are going to be reading it too and figuring out how it is they will pull themselves up and out. >> diane: and if you'd like to read an excerpt from "etched in sand," you can go to our website. insideedition.com and we will have a link for you there. and coming up next -- talk about jet lag. a cute kid's creative way to catch some zs. >> diane: up next, the little traveler and her big idea to battle jet lag. closed caption sponsorship for "inside edition" is brought to you by: stay tuned, there's more "inside edition" to come. >> diane: finally for you, this kid is way too tired to travel. >> talk about jet lag. a young girl is totally zonked out on her dad's suitcase. they were coming home from vacation at an airport in russia. the trip definitely tired out this little one. >> diane: that's "inside edition" for today. i'm diane mcinerney in for deborah norville. thanks for watching. deborah norville. thanks for watching. we'll see you right back here >> how is paris doing these days. >> not any comment. >> taking the stand. debbie reveals the accident of her daughter devastation. i'm shaun robinson and emotion of counting michael pain. >> i was unable to do. >> stunning detail at the stain of gia tragic death. what the neighbors saw. >> totally done? >> a little 80's. >> shaq ex candid beyond belief. i'm billy bush. just how low did the insults once go. >> you did not hit him between the legs. >> i did i did. >> the other day i went are you all getting bigger. what happened? >> oprah unplugged. i'm michelle. then things get a little awkward. >> wants to know if you have ever taken a dip in the lady pond. ever go with the ladies? >> paris jackson despair. she doesn't feel she has a life any more. welcome to "access hollywood". those are the words of paris mom miss row testifying in the michael jackson wrongful death lawsuit. shaun is following the story. >> continue to feel for this young lady. she not only sheds light on daughter emotional state but the length she took to make sure michael stayed alive. >> how do you feel about your testimony? >> long day. >> are you glad it's over or is it over? >> i don't know. >>reporter: leaving a beverly hills restaurant hours after her emotional second day of testimony according to the senior writer at the los angeles times inside the courtroom debbie broke down on the stand when discussing paris attempted suicide. >> she was asked by the jackson family attorney what the death of her of michael had done to paris and she said she was devastated. she lost her father. she tried to kill herself. she has no life. it was very emotional testimony. >> not going to be any comment. >> how is paris doing. >> good. >>reporter: that was debbie outside the courthouse and inside gottlieb recalled how debbie offered michael the chance to be a father. >> michael devastated by his break up by first marriage with lisa marie. elvis daughter. and debbie had said to him well what are you saddest about he said not going to be a parent. and she said well i can have your kid michael thought about it. and then couple weeks later he said okay. >>reporter: there were no details given on how she conceived prince and paris with relationship with prince now debbie said they quote don't hate each other but admitted she was closer to paris. described how paris stayed with her on the weekend and how they talk and text on the phone. >> about you know. >>reporter: as for the reason debbie called to stand by aeg it was to illustrate that michael had a history of using the drug propofol in the past. debbie testified this michael skin disorder made him feel like quote the elephant mane and in her taped deposition from 2012 she was emotional on discussing what she claims to have witnessed. >> if sleep in the doctor office. >> i insisted on that. >> why did you say that? >> if i wanted to make sure he woke up. >>reporter: that was such rivetting testimony yesterday billy and we are continuing to follow the story. >> thank you. now let's talk about oprah. like you have never seen her. she's been on a media blitz for new movie lee daniels the butler and michelle joins us in new york with oprah latest sto stop. >> big interview with lindsay airs sunday and she was on talk show where it turned to terence howard and infamous comment about her top shelf. >> terence howard made some crazy statement about your quote big old bidy. >> i didn't hear him say it but the twitter feed blue up and people are lake i can't believe he said that but and i got a couple text messages and it really is okay because they really are big. the other day i went like god are you all getting bigger. had a happene happened? now this is the thing. when my grandmother these are my grandmother. she's with me. she which is me. when i was a little kid i would see my grand mother coming honest to goodness i would see her coming oh, no oh, no oh. help me. and now so when i see like my young nieces and stuff i'm aware of that. like come here honey. come here. >> not only a bountiful garden a bountiful. >> breasts. >> oprah clearly comfortable drinking a vodka soda but awkward turn with this viewer question. >> wants to know if you have ever taken a dip in the lady pond. this is a classic. watch what happens live question. have you ever been with a lady. >> no i have not. no. >> okay. >>reporter: oprah seemed not so comfortable with the question. was it the question michelle or was it the fact that the question came right after discussion about gail. >> yes you know what i'm sure she heard and asked that question a lot but i kind of liked seeing oprah sipping alcohol and hanging out. i like this oprah. fun. >> turning to the song of the summer blurred licenses hard to belief there could be any controversy surrounding this smash hit but there is. michelle break it down for us. >> that's right. so far along robin thick and williams filed a lawsuit against marvin gay family to protect themselves against a possible copyright infringement law suchlt the gay family allege that blurred lines and marvin got to give it up feel or sound the same. and that the gay family are claiming ownership to genre rather than word. rather than wait for a lawsuit team is going to court to determine the party respective rights and obligations. i hope you got all that billy because now your chance to take a judge listen to both songs. >> everybody get up everybody get up. if ♪ . >> sorry i got caught up in the moment. all right. that's one. >> that's wichbility here's got to give it up. i'll dance along to both. ♪ yes. >>reporter: yes. >> i mean. >> similar. pretty similar. >>reporter: seems to me michelle look puff daddy got perfect m friction sting when he borrowed a song from him. vanilla ice paid up front david bowie and queen to borrow when he did ice ice baby. a lot like under pressure. ding ding ding. i think in this situation here it definitely look robin thick has said publicly we were inspired by the song. we listened to got to give it up in the studio. had fun with the song. clearly inspired. should have worked out some kind of deal ahead of time. written a letter gotten permission whatever it was. >>reporter: that's right. work it out with the staechlt i have never seen a preemptive strike like this interest to go watch. >> jay-z got permission from courtney love to borrow smell like team spirit for his latest album. any way around for years. >> turning to name we haven't heard in a while justin guard. if you need reminder the runner-up to kelly slashingson first season of idol. he made some news thanks to people.com and article they wrote with headline i skip meals in order to feed my kid. quote was taken from a very personal blog entry in which he talked about life now versus life right after idol and says quote i have spent days skipping meals in order to make sure i have enough to make sure my children and wife have enough. justin took he shall with people headline tweeting obviously you completely missed the point of my letter people magazine. news isn't news any more. and i'm nowhere near poverty. this is my trivshingts i think got a lot of people attention. he's been on broadway. is on broadway. it was striking headline to say the very least. idea of him having to skip meal not enough money but news was news i guess. oops. people magazine. >> if you read the whole blog entry it's really well written. justin is honest. talking about being unafraid to be afraid. where the next meal come from. next job coming from it's a great piece. by the way good news for him. starring on broadway opposite orlando bloom as paris in romeo and juliette. so good chapter for him. >> kit brings us new insight into the troubled man of amanda bynes somebody who nose her personally. >> that's right. first news about ahman today. transferred to the ucla medical center for further treatment of mental illness and alphonzo who worked with her on the loved wreck and knew something wasn't right with amanda way back then. >> amanda bynes. you shot a movie. >> yes. >> i want no trouble. come prepared. >> any signs that something was maybe a little off. >> i feel in now looking back yes. i feel in that you know throughout the filming of that movie she kind of separated herself. it was just awkward. it was something that you just felt something is wrong here and she was never present. never there. if the handler she had at the time they were also designed to keep her away from people. i think looking back at it i think that's probably a huge part of it. if you are not around people and talking to people on a regular basis i feel in like you start to create this separation and i don't know what her family life was like or any of that but i did feel like there were scen that things were wrong and actually lance bass and i talked about it too. he was in the movie also. yes things were a little off back then. so i felt like this was coming. >> it surprises me why wouldn't anybody help her step in then. when you think about clearly if you and lance are thinking. that the handlers or somebody would want to help. >> they are just there to say yes. and they at times are the problem because they become yes people. and what people need the most is no. celebrity an actor they need to hear no every once in a while. >> alphonzo more to share straight ahead good now but once upon a time ll cool j was a nightmare. >> do it as long as i don't have to work with ll. >> shaq and his ex all good now too. but not always the case. >> what's the whoringt thing you ever called him. >> devastating details from the neighbor who arrived just as gia boyfriend tried to save gia boyfriend tried to save her. next >> true blood air at 9 on hbo and life time. and those ladies have been renewed for ladies have been renewed for se >> keep having these heart break. keep putting a hold on things because it takes me so long to get offer it. >> like many counter part on the show gia took it hard eliminated from the bachelor. shock her death continues to be felt by those closest to her. so many unanswered questions remain but today what happened the day she tried to take her life. ryan anderson desperate attempt to save his girlfriend's life according to people.com on monday. neighbor heading to the pool in new orleans apartment complex when he heard a scream from the hal hall. i pushed the door open and saw a guy bear hugging someone to his chest said engineer similar so. it was ryan. basketball player found his girlfriend hanging from a metal staircase. he said she hung herself and looked over and that's when i saw the rope. said simpson. another neighbor called 911. handed the phone to simpson who was told they needed to do cpr. simpson said ryan sobbing just kept yelling her name why gia why? simpson estimates it was about 8 minutes before paramedic arrived. he says ryan told the paramedic i was gone for an hour and came hope and she was like here. gentlemen a transported to the hospital and taken off life support on taken off life support on wednesday >> all right. still to come. shaune o'neal reveals how shaq fares as father of their kid. who is the business mrin aaron there. >> she takes this low point. >> you did not hit him between the leg. >> i did i did. no. >> then while working with ll cool j way back when wasn't a walk in the park. >> he said i wish i was known then what i know now. then what i know now. >> next ♪ oh, oh, oh, come on, people, now ♪ ♪ smile on your brother ♪ everybody get together ♪ try to love one another ♪ come on, people, now [ female announcer ] breyers. the taste you've loved for over 140 years. ♪ right now the taste you've loved for over 140 years. >> now i think i don't kaevrment i don't give a darn. now my whole attitude is i don't care. you know. i love you. and i'm going to tell you the truth. >> looks like we might see whole new side of shaun o'neal on reality show basketball wives when season 5 kicks off on monday. maybe she will set aside the peace maker role and dust it up a bit. she was of course once married to shaq. kept the last name but does she still carry a torch for the big guy? kit and i grilled her on "access hollywood live". is there any chance that. >> tuvr you are funny. >> totally done. >> we are totally done? totally. >> yes. >> no. i see a spark there in this eye. >> no we are totally done. he's dating. he's got little ladies. he loves women. he's cute. >>reporter: their marriage may over but her relationship with shaq seems strong than ever. have you gotten past everythin everything. >> everything. we put it all away. we can even laugh about stuff now. >>reporter: getting to this point was not so easy. >> no therapy believe it or no not. we took a minute. it was rough. we would go at it no limit we would get ugly like the text messages and the car we were like say some real. >>reporter: worst thing you ever called him what did you call him. >> i didn't say that. >> shea it. >> sure you kaichbility you did not hit him between the leg. >> i did i did i. >> stay like a celebrity gossi gossip. >>reporter: we rode along with shaune and khabing so the vma in 2004 and she's a guest correspondent for "access hollywood". now star executive producer of l basketball wives vh 1. couple divorced in 2009 over his admitted cheating and on better terms now they still have their moment. >> it would get real ugly and laughing later. you said i was fat. whatever. >> you all hit low fat between the leg. this is fighting words. >> fat between the leg. then you fight. >> shaq and shaunee 5 children who spend summers with dad but she's still running the show. >> still have to spend my summer coordinating his summer. old enough to guide him a little more now but dad is sha shaq. he eats. he's a great dad. he's the fun parent. i'm the one. i'm fun but i got to put the foot down and there's no rules. >> ceo. monday on "access hollywood". >> do you think you can turn it arespect. >> is lindsay lo an really on the road to recovery. entire oprah enter vichlt i'm my own worst enemy. >> what are you addicted to. >> then chloe and la mar. demise of marriage divorce imminent and why haven't the kardashian been fighting back. >> first interview with prince william since the birth of little prince. we have it. little prince. we have it. >> monday on "access is that now more from alphonzo. tv career took off opposite ricky on silver spans back in 1984 followed by 6 year run as will smith side kick carlton on the fresh prince of belaire. he now host famil game show work with another rapper turned actor ll cool j on the sitcom in the house. but unlike time with will, working with ll was not a rewarding experience. when fresh prince ended was there a low for you. >> there was an emotional lull. not an actual lull straight from fresh prince to ll cool j on u p n. >> what happened to you. >> accidentally knicked me with this. >> i had a great time on the show in terms of the work that i was doing. unfortunately the show was not a fun time for me but. >> why. >> well, ll cool j and i have talked about it since then but the working environment there on that show was horrible. coming from fresh prince where everybody was about the show. about making the show better rehearsal process was all about making it great. in the house was exactly the opposite. it was i'm going to collect a paycheck but my life is about everything else. ll was about music at the time. he was not focused on working hard as an actor so coming back to do the last sony basically was like i don't want to dot lags season. they convinced m tow do it but i said would i do it as long as i don't have to work with ll. >> turning point was when ll went off to do a mavie with james cameron. on his return he said he was sorry to alphonzo. >> came to me and said i wish i would have known then what i know now about working. about being here. about being present. working as an actor. really learning what it takes to be great and he apologized for the work environment that we had and i'm so proud of him now. i'm so happy for him that he has found that. he's found that work that will make him a super star for the rest of his life. >>reporter: good story about learning from your mistakes. coming up. take you to jennifer lawrence bold photo jennifer lawrence bold photo shoochlt final 45 is next >> final 45 time. jennifer lawrence looking glamorous and relaxed during her photo shoot for september cover of vogue. most anticipated issue of the year. vogue legendary editor-in-chief rarely does interview said in the 902 pages is a perfect place for their reed investigators dream. >> these what the issue is about. the best of the best. >> sexy tennis star maria tanl tantalize on the cover of shape magazine on news stands today. behind the scenes photo shoot. 6 foot 2 stunner shows off her killer body in swim suit and evening wear. offers her tips for 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diego to los angeles in the early '80s. we're hearing if that's going to happen right now, adam silver is literally minutes away from making this announcement at a press conference in -- i believe it's in new york. >> yes, this is happening at nba headquarters in new york city. according to you, you believe that there will be an indefinite suspension and a $5 million fine. it's my understanding that donald sterling is worth $1.9 billion. so this really won't hurt him, will it? >> well, not really in his bank account. but his reputation has been obliterated. and the fact that the nba gets to keep him away from the league, some will say it's a victory. others say it's not strong enough. but adam silver is acting with the most power he can. this is the fullest extent of his power to suspend him indefinite lit and try to pressure him out of the league, to leave the team and to sell it to somebody else. we're told that his family members -- immediately family members won't be affected by the suspension. they will continue to be allowed to work. his son-in-law is the director of basketball operations for the clippers. he will not be affected by the suspension to donald. but we're going to see what's going to happen. i'm expecting a lot of outrage from people on this. >> why? >> because i think people want him -- i don't think an indefinite suspension is going to be good enough. people want him to be disassociated with the clippers, with the league. even though this is a harsh suspension, it's not going to be good enough for a lot of people. >> you talk about his son-in-law who also works at the l.a. clippers. he's come out publicly and says he disagreed totally with what he deemed to be the racist rant by his father-in-law. it's my understanding that there are 100 hours of tape. have you listened to all 100 hours? >> we have not. the only thing we've heard is the stuff posted on tmzsports.com and the additional five minutes posted on deadspin. what the woman in the audiotape is saying is this 15-minute snippet was from an hour-long recording. she said she had more than 109 hours of recordings between the two of them that have not been released. we know his people contacted her people and are trying to negotiate to make sure the tapes never see the light of day -- >> speaking of videotapes, i understand that you also got an interview with oprah winfrey. let's listen to that. >> i don't have any advice. but all i have to say is, we're all off the plantation. the plantation days are over. >> if he gets rid of the team, any chance you'd buy the clippers? >> no, i won't be buying the clippers but i heard magic johnson might be. >> oprah winfrey says she has no interest in buying the clippers. but she wanted everyone to know that black people are off the plantation, her quote. and also just breaking right now, it's coming in that magic johnson says he does not want to buy the clippers. your reaction? >> right. we know that magic -- that name was floating around and how ironic would it be if magic johnson took over the team after donald sterling said he didn't even want them at the games. we spoke with rick caruso, a big-time developer nor los angeles. he made a run at the dodgers a couple of years ago. he's telling us if the team becomes available, he wants first crack at the clippers. we know there's at least another four or five serious billionaires looking to move in on this team. if they become available, there's going to be a dogfight to take ownership of this squad. >> evan, thank you. we see activity going on at nba headquarters here in new york city. it's a packed room o waiting to see what mr. silver is going to say. the new nba commissioner -- time to bring in jim gray, sports reporter, fox news contributor out of los angeles, covering sports for decades. what do you expect to hear? you just heard from tmz says is going to happen. jim, what do you think? >> i think he will be suspended indefinitely and there will be a huge fine. i just spoke with donald sterling on the telephone moments ago. he is unaware of what is going to happen to him. he's not been notified. he also said he really didn't want to comment on the record. however, the team is not for sale and he will not be selling the team. >> you were able to get him on the phone. it's my understanding other people have tried to get him on the phone with no luck. what else did he tell you, jim? >> nothing else that he wanted to go on the record with. and i'm going to honor that because he did not want to take anything else on the record. but he is unaware of what adam silver, the commissioner, plans to do. in fact, he asked me and i read him the tmz report. >> and his reaction to that was? >> we'll see what adam has to say here. >> so adam silver, only three months on the job as the nba commissioner after david stern was a longstanding commissioner, huge, huge responsibility and decision for mr. silver today, right? >> it's a big responsibility and it's going to go a long way toward his commissionership. the eyes of the world are watching adam. adam's prepared for a long time for this job as a deputy commissioner to david stern. he's a brilliant man. and he's had the proper tutoring and upbringing in this job. he's worked with all the owners, all the players, everybody who deals with adam comes away feeling very good about their dealings with the nba and with him as a person. he's got a big responsibility here. he will take the necessary action, i'm told, by several league owners who i have spoken to just prior to this announcement that this is going to be a very harsh penalty. and they think that adam has done his diligence. that he's given him due process and that he will come up with the proper decision for the league. >> it's very interesting because it's only been four to five days since this incident came to light and the nba acting very swiftly on this with a press conference that is about to start. jim, stand by, if you will, i want to bring in a sports attorney, xavier pope, who's been following this story for us as well. he's also an entertainment attorney. unprecedented from a legal point of view, is it not? >> absolutely unprecedented from a legal point of view. but you've seen it in major league baseball. march schock was suspended from the cincinnati reds for comments. she was suspended in 1996 through 1998. the nba does have a precedent for the actions of donald sterling. >> the other thing -- the difference, though, is that marge schock was a partner in the ownership of that team. in this case, donald sterling is a 100% owner. so from a legal point of view, is there a difference in your mind? >> absolute difference because in major league baseball, when marge schock was suspended from 1996 to 1998, the league was pretty much waiting for a partnership agreement to expire. then she sold her team in 1999. donald sterling is a lone wolf, going to do whatever he wants to do. here's what the league can potentially do. 75% of owners are required to boot out an owner. but the issue is this is not a gambling situation. this is not a financial situation. this is not a fraud situation. so the league would have to look at best interest of the sport if it's protecting the financial interest of the other owners. we've seen many sponsors pull out for the clippers. now, if other sponsors see the nba as not acting swift enough, fast enough or hard enough or going far enough, maybe they'll pull out a sponsorship from the national basketball association or other teams. that's when the bylaws come into effect. that they can boot donald sterling out. they can look at his past actions to give a more thorough ruling as to what should happen to donald sterling. >> i think that's key, the fact that the nba has reacted so swiftly. but if they come out and say it's an indefinite suspension, i think you're on the mark that they may buy themselves some time. stand by for a minute. i want to go through a list of the sponsors dropping like flies. carmax, virgin america, chumash, mercedes-benz. state state farm, red bull. a quote was released saying, we are deeply troubled by these disturbing remarks which go against everything we believe in as a organization. we support the players, the coaches, the rest of the team and the fans and we are committed to providing a safe, secure and welcoming environment for everyone. let's say there is a suspension. does that mean that sterling cannot go to the basketball games in your mind? >> yes, day-to-day operations would include him not going to the games. marge schock was allowed to come to the games if she purchased her own ticket. i doubt donald sterling does something like that. i think he will be out of the spotlight. i think it's best from his standpoint to stay out of the spotlight and let the league do its job. >> let's go back to a point you brought up a few moments ago, which was in regard to the other team owners. because the big question that's been asked since friday night when the tapes were released is this -- does the league or do the owners have the power to actually take a team away from a person who individually owns it? what about the league first and then what about the owners from a legal point of view? >> well, from the league's standpoint, adam silver has been granted significant powers to make decisions in regards to any of the team owners. so that's from the league's standpoint. from the owner's standpoint, you have guys like mark cuban who has spoken out and said, this may be a dangerous precedent. if you got some guys into a room and say, vote donald sterling out, i think maybe think twice about how it may impact them in the future as far as the business decisions they make. from a legal standpoint, you can't necessarily boot donald sterling out. but if sponsors drop like flies and their own financial interests become damaged and then they may get into a room and say, we want to get rid of this guy -- >> but the owners, you would need 75% of them to vote -- >> 75%. >> on that? >> yes. . and a couple of more procedures must take place for donald sterling to leave. but he bought the team in 1981 for $12.5 million. according to "forbes," worth $575 million. the milwaukee bucks were sold recently for $550 million. the sacramento kings bought for $534 million. that value in a market like los angeles where the sharks are circling right now to buy this team may go in excess of $700 million, maybe $800 million. so donald sterling stands to benefit from potentially selling the team. >> etch thouxavier stand by. we'll tell people who donald sterling's lady friend is. she's apparently the one sterling was speaking to on the recordings. she faces a lawsuit from his wife, richelle. vanessa happened to be in court yesterday. check out the headgear she had on. >> what do you think about all this? >> are you and donald -- >> mrs. sterling, not vanessa pictured there, reportedly suing for the return of $1.8 million dupl duplex, a ferrari, range rover and two bentleys she says her husband bought for vanessa while still married to her. let's bring back in exavier poe here. twists and turns in this whole case, some of the details lost because of the basic headline of what sterling said on the recordings. does it make any difference with regard to what he has said on these recordings which 100% of the people deem as racist -- does that make a difference with how he may have treated his players in the way in which he conducted his business on the day to day? and is that what the other owners and the commissioner might take into account or are they only listening to the recordings? >> that's a great question, gretchen. i think they're looking at the recording in light of some in the past transgressions of mr. sterling. we saw in the past, 2006, the department of justice sued donald sterling for actions of racial discrimination against african-americans and hispanics. and we saw the elgin baylor suit that was eventually thrown out. but it was a racial discrimination suit for him being treated unfairly by donald sterling. taking these words and maybe illuminating the department of justice suit, they may take that together and say, your actions showed a pattern of discrimination. but there's no proof that donald sterling has discriminated against anyone entering his stadium or anyone trying to buy tickets or season tickets. and that's the troubling part. it's words -- >> here's the commissioner, adam silver, at the microphone. >> shortly after the release of an audio recording this past saturday morning of a conversation that allegedly included clippers owner donald sterling, the nba commenced in an investigation which among other things included an interview of mr. sterling. that investigation is now complete. the central findings of the investigation are that the man whose voice is heard on the recording and on a second recording from the same conversation that was released on sunday is mr. sterling and that the hateful opinions voiced by that man are those of mr. sterling. the views expressed by mr. sterling are deeply offensive and harmful. that they came from an nba owner only heightens the damage and my personal outrage. se sentiments of this kind are contrary to the principles of inclusion and respect that form the foundation of our diverse, multicultural and multiethnic league. i am personally distraught that the views expressed by mr. sterling came from within, an institution that has historically taken such a leadership role in matters of race relations and caused current and former players, coaches, fans and partners of the nba to question their very association with the league. to them and pioneers of the game like earl lloyd, chuck cooper, sweetwater clifton, the great bill russell and particularly magic johnson, i apologize. according accordingly, effective immediately, i am banning mr. sterling for life from any association with the clippers organization or the nba. mr. sterling may not attend any nba games or practices. he may not be present at any clippers facility and he may not participate in any business or player personnel decisions involving the team. he will also be barred from attending nba board of governors meetings or participating in any other league activity. i am also fining mr. sterling $2.5 million, the maximum amount allowed under the nba constitution. these funds will be donated to organizations dedicated to an - anti-discrimination and tolerance efforts that will be jointly selected by the nba and its players association. as for mr. sterling's ownership interest in the clippers, i will urge the board of governors to exercise its authority to force a sale of the team and will do everything in my power to ensure that that happens. this has been a painful moment for all members of the nba family. i appreciate the support and understanding of our players during this process. and i am particularly grateful for the leadership shown by coach doc rivers, union president chris paul and mayor kevin johnson of sacramento who has been acting as the players' representative in this matter. we stand together in condemning mr. sterling's views. they simply have no place in the nba. thank you. and i'll take any questions. >> take questions now. start with scott in the back right. >> do you or any of your emissaries have any clue as to whether mr. sterling will acquiesce your wishes to sell the team or do you expect a fight? >> i have no idea. >> the next question right here, rachel? >> from polling the owners you've spoken to, what support do you think you have to sell the team? >> i didn't poll the owners. i spoke to several owners and i have their full support. >> on the right, brian? >> what kind of authority do they have to force a sale? >> the owners have the authority subject to three-quarters vote of the ownership groups of the partners two remove him as an owner. >> fifth row in the middle. >> lisa guerrero. you said you were personally outraged. yet many people believe that they are outraged that for years people have known that this man is a racist slumlord and the nba hasn't done anything until today. can you please answer why? >> i can't speak to past actions other than to say that when specific evidence was brought to the nba, we acted. >> over here, second row on the left. >> should someone lose their team for remarks shared in private? is this a slippery slope? >> whether or not these remarks were initially shared in private, they are now public and they represent his views. >> fifth row in the middle, tim? get a microphone there, please. >> adam, what was the process to come to this decision over the last couple of days and when did you decide that this was the appropriate action to take? >> i ultimately decided this morning that this was the appropriate action. and the process beginning saturday morning when this tape was first released was to a point -- to an investigator, it was david anders. he conducted a series of interviews, some by phone, some in person. he concluded his investigation late last night. >> seventh row on the left, jeff? give the microphone to jeff, please. >> adam, you said you would encourage owners to force the sale of the clippers. when will that action take place? >> the process will begin immediately. we will most likely use a standing committee of the nba. the equivalent of our executive committee is our advisory finance committee. i've had several discussions with glen taylor, who is our chairman of the board and also the leader of the advisory finance committee. we will begin that process immediately. >> third row on the end, howard? sterling, did he own up to ons this immediately? was it only after you guys came up with some sort of proof and what if anything has he expressed as far as reproach, sentiment? >> mr. sterling acknowledged it was his voice on the tape and he has not expressed to me directly any other views. >> right here, please. >> andrew rosario, what message do you have for the clippers and their fans and their fan base in terms of moving forward from this point on. >> my message to the clippers' fans is this league is far bigger than any one owner. this institution has been around for a long time and will stand for a long time. i have complete confidence in doc rivers, in the basketball management of that club and the players deserve their support. they've just been through an incredibly difficult incident in their lives. >> on your left, harvey. over against the wall. >> was the punishment designed in effect to get the message across to mr. sterling that there's no point in him -- there's no advantage, there's nothing to be gained from him continuing his ownership? and also, in determining what the punishment would be, including suggesting to the board of governors, did you take into account mr. sterling's past behavior or was it just based on this one particular incident? >> in meting out this punishment, we did not take into account his past behavior. when the board ultimately considers his overall fitness to be an owner in the nba, they will take into account a lifetime of behavior. >> fifth row in the middle, ken. >> you've been listening to the amazing press conference by nba commissioner adam silver, where he dropped the bombshell just moments ago, banning donald sterling, the owner of the l.a. clippers, for life from any activity with the nba, for any activity with the l.a. clippers. he also apologized to present and former players. mr. sterling will not be allowed to have any business or personnel decisions with this team or with the nba. mr. silver said he spoke to a group of owners and that he had their full support. he made his final decision on this this morning. time to bring back in fox news contributor and sports reporter jim gray. jim, it was a bombshell, right? >> banned for life, yes. this is a bombshell. i just called donald sterling on the telephone to get his reaction to being banned for life. he did pick up the telephone. i asked him for his thoughts on this. he said, i have no comment. i said, do you want to have anything to say about this? and he said, no, no comment, nothing at this time. i asked him if there was any remorse? and he said, jim, i'm not going to speak about this, i have no comment. so donald sterling did not know what the punishment was going to be, at least according to him, prior to the announcement by the commissioner, adam silver. i think adam has taken a stand -- i was told by several owners before this announcement came, some of those who he had consulted with, that there was going to be a very harsh and definite penalty. i don't know what else he could have done that would have been any more harsh than what has taken place. so donald sterling, his role with the team now is effectively over. he is an 80-year-old man. it doesn't say exactly how they plan to force the sale of this team. but there will be bidders lined up. this will be a very valuable asset. donald sterling will make a lot of money on the way out. but he told me prior to this announcement that the team was not for sale and he would not be selling the team. perhaps he will have a change of heart knowing that he will not be able to have anything to do with the team going forward. >> there was no wiggle room at all in this announcement from the commissioner today. he went on to say, as you just said, he's going to urge the board of governors to force the sale of the team. now, it's my understanding that you need to have 75%, three-quarters of the owners who would sign off on that. silver must know in his mind from speaking to the owners that he has that. >> absolutely. he just got elected commissioner. and unimore votes, i believe, than three-quarters. but there wasn't even a vote. it was handed over to him from david stern. he was the heir apparent. and everybody unanimously agreed that adam silver was the man to take over. he'll get the votes. how you go about forcing that and the legalities, they don't have antitrust exemption, unlike baseball. so theoretically, if donald sterling decides he wants to go into the bunker and fight this, he'll go to some court somewhere and try and get an injunction and say that's not american, you can't do that. however, i would think at some point he will come to the realization that owning this team is not going to -- there's nowhere to go with it because you won't be able to recruit -- as long as the sterling name is on this team, he'll come to the realization, there will be no sponsor, no fans, no players. no free agent will ever come to play for him. >> and also no doc rivers as the coach, he's made that clear. jim gray, thank you for your reporting and your phone calls with donald sterling and his reaction. time to bring in exavier pope. these legal questions, first of all, bombshell announcement here. nothing about a suspension. it's all over for donald sterling as owner, having anything to do with the nba. so how does the nba urge the board of governors to force him to sell this team? >> well, that's a great question, gretchen. this is an unprecedented move by the national basketball association. adam silver went far beyond my expectations and many others' expectations. i think there's a hurdle here. what will -- will 75% of owners in a back room say, get rid of donald sterling, force him to sell? will they? maybe, maybe not. but i think that adam silver was turned over the authority to take action. i think that the next step would be potentially -- and i trust litigation by donald sterling. i think he hasn't received counsel at this point as to what he should do, obviously not saying anything about what the next steps will be. i believe that it will happen. and i think that there's not a hurdle to this. once you saw sponsors dropping like flies, you're affecting the ownership interest of other owners. >> when you have a man who's owned a team for decades who brought this team for $12 million, now worth upwards $575 million, probably higher after today's event -- >> yes. >> he's certainly probably not going to go down without a fight. i would assume he may file a lawsuit. and here's an interesting thing that i do not know the answer to. but you are the attorney so i hope you do. is the nba liable to any extent for the past behavior of donald sterling because he has lost court battles on discrimination and the nba did nothing about his ownership then. so in a weird twist, could that actually come back to bite the nba in the butt? >> that's another great question, gretchen. but who's going to bring the action? the nba players, are they going to do it? probably not. we saw kevin johnson come in and work with adam silver on the fine and taking that and using that for causes on sensitivity. i don't see that happening. i don't see -- maybe fans bringing a suit against the national basketball association? i don't see that either. but here's the thing. donald sterling, he's right now at the highest value the team currently exists at. he should sell high. sponsors are dropping like flies. if he continues to own the team, the value he's looking to realize from a potential sale would be lost. >> well, it's a fascinating development. just to bring it full circle again. i want to thank you both for your reporting today. to bring it full circle, mr. sterling has been banned for life from the nba and as the owner of the l.a. clippers, he has been banned from any business dealings with the team that he owns. he is banned from business dealings, from personnel decisions. he cannot attend games or practices. he's not allowed to go to the facility. and you heard today from the nba commissioner, adam silver, who's only been on the job for three months now, coming out with a very stern no wiggle room message. he's going to urge the board of governors to force the sale of this team to ensure that sterling has nothing more to do with the l.a. clippers after decades of owning this team. of course, in the screen shot next to me, you see the former girlfriend of donald sterling that started this whole thing. apparently she recorded phone conversations. she says that mr. sterling knew that she was recording him when he went on the racist rant that was revealed friday night. and now four to five days later, the nba commissioner coming out a with final decision, saying the investigation is over. and mr. sterling has been banned for life, as a secondary measure, he's also going to be fined $2.5 million with his personal worth at $1.9 billion, that's simply a drop in the bucket. you heard from jim gray with excellent reporting that he was on the phone twice in just the last hour with mr. sterling where mr. sterlinging first told him he didn't want to comment on the issue. after it was announced he would be banned for life, jim gray called him back. mr. sterling said he didn't know how he was going to proceed but that earlier in the conversation, he said the team is not for sale. keep it right here on fox. with the breaking developments on the nba situation and the owner of the l.a. clippers. in the meantime, we have more breaking news. a fox news alert on benghazi. the deadly terrorist attack there and how the president and his administration handled it. including newly uncovered documents about who coordinated the official response that we heard from then u.n. ambassador susan rice, those talking points. do these new documents now lead directly to the white house? for that, we go to chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge live in washington. what do you know today? >> these new benghazi documents do lead directly to the white house. a senior adviser to president obama played a role when susan rice blamed an internet video for the terrorist attacks. among the 100 page us of documents released after a federal lawsuit is a september 14th e-mail from ben rhodes, an assistant to the president and deputy national security adviser for strategic communications. this e-mail was sent three days after the attack and two days before rice went on the sunday talk shows. it says the goals include, quote, to underscore these protests are rooted in an internet video and not a broader failure of policy. the rhodes e-mail was sent to a dozen members of the administration's inner circle including key members of the white house communications team such as spokesman jay carney. it was sent at the same time on the ground reporting from u.s. personnel stated there was no protest in benghazi. the president of judicial watch says the documents read like a p.r. strategy, not an effort to provide the best available intelligence to the american people. >> the goal of the white house was to do one thing primarily, which was to make the president look good, blame it on the video and not on the president's policies. >> incidentally, last night, three leading republicans, senators graham, ayotte and mccain, sent letters to the house and foreign affairs committee asking them to compel the administration to explain who briefed rice in advance of the sunday talk shows and whether state department or white house personnel were involved. fox news is seeking comment from the white house today and among our questions is whether rhodes briefed rice or anyone else on that e-mail chain. >> amazing developments after all this time, catherine, thank you so much for your reporting. jason chaffetz joins me now. we had the bombshell at the top of the show with regard to the nba. this is another bombshell here on benghazi. your reaction? >> the difference here is we have four dead americans and we have a white house that is perpetuating a group of lies that simply aren't true. for a long time, the white house would lead you to believe that they were not involved in this. and yet these documents for the first time really reveal the direct link to the white house. they were orchestrating a narrative that was not true. it was a narrative that was false. and it deals with ben rhodes and his communication out from the white house itself. i have to tell you, judicial watch had to file a freedom of information request an go to court to get this. we in the united states congress issued a subpoena back in august that was not fulfilled. we got the same document at the same time. it's a problem. it's a real problem. >> we should remind everyone that ben rhodes was a communications specialist with this administration. wouldn't the administration know, congressman chaffetz, that through the freedom of information act that somebody was eventually going to get their hands on these e-mails? >> well, i have to believe the truth will eventually surface. but, remember, the white house saying they were not involved, they did not have these things. you have the president of the united states himself saying as new information is available, we would release it to the public. that's never been true. how president obama can do that, it's not true. with a duly issued subpoena, we've had roughly 3,200 new documents in just the last 30 days. the white house has been telling the white house press corps that this happened a long time ago, we've given them all this information -- we got 3,200 documents in just the last 30 days. >> and it was once described as a phony scandal by the president of the united states. and this next one, not a smidgen of corruption -- talking about the irs targeting scandal. a lawyer now for lois lerner wants to address you, the house, before a vote to hold lerner in contempt of congress. this is what he wrote, holding ms. lerner in contempt could not only be unfair and indeed un-american, it would be flatly inconsistent with the fifth amendment as interpreted by the supreme court. un-american? >> what a joke. they've had ten months to try to make their case that she didn't violate, give up her fifth amendment rates. the case was made that she did give up those rights. we brought it before the house oversight committee. we debated it and voted on it. it's going to the floor very soon. you think we're going to put her attorney out in front of the floor of the house? give me a break. that's not the american way and that's not what's going to happen. >> i want you to say what you think the attorney might actually say in front of congress, but it would be unprecedented, would it not, six sets of astronauts have spoken before congress, 48 heads of state. but such a request by her attorney, mr. taylor, it's never going to happen, right? what do you think he wants to say? >> i don't know. we have a hard enough time getting benjamin netanyahu and other world leaders to address congress. we're not going to let this yahoo come before congress. he sent us a letter. he tries to make his case. members fully understand this. we've made the case, chairman issa has made a good case. and she is in contempt of congress. that's why we're going to vote on it. it's the way the american way works. i think she'll find that she's found in contempt. >> eric cantor coming back off easter recess and other holidays said that that vote is going to come up very soon. can you tell fox and the viewers today when that vote will happen on contempt? >> i don't know that i'm supposed to tell you it's next week but that's when i think it is. i may get in trouble for that. but, yeah. >> fox news alert, next week. we're going to be voting on lois lerner, the final -- >> you got me in big trouble here, gretchen. >> well, and afterwards, i'll find out exactly what day, too. but now that we know that it's next week, exit question for you, congressman, is what's going to happen after you vote her in contempt? >> well, there's a couple of different legal strategies. we're going to turn it over to the department of justice. they better darn well follow through on what they're supposed to do. but there are other tools there. that's another interview, gretchen. >> we'll look forward to it. congressman, thank you. >> thank you. brand-new developments in the search for the missing malaysian airliner. two people now claiming to have spotted some of the wreckage. will this finally be the big break? the national weather service sending in teams to survey damage from the latest tornadoes in the southeast. the latest on where those storms are heading next. plus, the nba imposing the ultimate penalty, banning clippers owner donald sterling for life. >> mr. sterling may not attend any nba games or practices. he may not be present at any clippers facility and he may not participate in any business or player personnel decisions involving the team. ♪ with diabetes, it's tough to keep life balanced. i don't always have time to eat like i should. and the more i focus on everything else, the less time i have to take care of me. that's why i like glucerna shakes. they have slowly digestible carbs to help minimize blood sugar spikes. glucerna products help me keep everythibalanced. 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[ applause ] i want to also say, this is a very stark reminder that we still have a lot of work to do. yes, we have an african-american president. yes, justice happened in a swift manner and forceful. yes, that occurred today. but these events remind all of us that hatred and bigotry are far from over. i hope that every bigot in this country sees what happened to mr. sterling and recognizes that if he can fall, so can you. at this point in time, i want to say on behalf of the players, we are so proud of our mayor of this great city of los angeles, the other mayors who came out today. and you're going to hear from three or four players that represent current players, our former players. then we'll open it up to some questions after mayor garcetti closes us out. >> you've been listening to kevin johnson, former nba player, current mayor of sacramento. today, he said the commissioner has done his duty. he's not only the owners' commissioner, he's also the players' commissioner. time to go back now to knocks news contributor and sportscaster jim gray. you spoke to a couple of owners and players as well as to donald sterling. what's the reaction? >> well, from the owners, it's unanimous as kevin johnson just said. there is unanimity -- however you say that word -- they're united. >> everyone agrees. >> mark cuban just texted me and he said, i agree and support 100%. i spoke to another owner, just got off the telephone, and he said, donald sterling got exactly what he deserved. he's racist. so everybody -- all the comments coming in, a couple of the players i've spoken to are happy with this decision. they now feel they're in the playoffs, they can move forward playing the games. they can now put this behind them. they can wait for the nba now to take action with its owners to try and force donald sterling to sell this team. so i would say that the reaction, just like kevin johnson just spoke to city hall out here in los angeles, he said, adam silver, as you mentioned, gretchen, is not the owners' commissioner anymore. he's now the players' commissioner. he is our commissioner. >> adam silver getting high marks. i haven't found anybody -- just like the condemnation, i haven't found anybody who's upset or disagreeing with this -- >> maybe donald sterling who you've also spoken to twice since we went on the air about 50 minutes ago. remind us what he said to you and also then. what do you, jim gray, think he is going to do? >> i spoke to donald sterling before the punishment came in from adam silver. i asked him what he thought it was going to be? i read the report from tmz. turned out the report only had part of it right. fined $2.5 million and banned for life. donald did not know that was coming. he said he would not sell the team. the team is not for sale. i called him after and asked him for his response, and what his reaction was, and he said he had no comment. i asked him if he had any egrets. he said, jim, i don't want to get into this now. i said, donald, will you take any action? he said this is not in the time. i have no comment. to kind of shut it down from there. sure this comes as a surprise to him because he said he had no idea this was coming. >> be interested to see if he files a lawsuit or puts up any fight. jim gray, excellent reporting. two different companies claim they found the malaysian airplane. one man says he has seen the plane. right back. ♪ and i got the tools ♪ to do it my way ♪ i got a lock on equities ♪ that's why i'm type e ♪ ♪ that's why i'm tyyyyype eeeee, ♪ ♪ i can do it all from my mobile phone ♪ ♪ that's why i'm tyyyyype eeeee, ♪ ♪ if i need some help i'm not alone ♪ ♪ we're all tyyyyype eeeee, ♪ ♪ we've got a place that we call home ♪ ♪ we're all type e ♪ it's called truecar. and truecar users... save time and money. so when you're... ready to buy a car, make sure you... never overpay. visit truecar.com today. mattress discounters memorial day sale! what's this? a queen-size sealy gel memory foam mattress for just $497? mattress discounters has the largest selection of memory foam mattresses under one roof! comforpedic... icomfort... optimum... and wow! four years interest-free financing on the entire tempur-pedic cloud collection! don't miss the memorial day sale. ♪ mattress discounters i'm almost done. 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to puerto rico one week after hurricane maria completely devastated the island, home to 3.4 million american citizens, puerto rico is facing what its government calls a humanitarian crisis, no part of the island has power. no fresh water for days, this is a critical situation, a life or death situation, and in a desperate situation, every bit of help matters, a group of bipartisan lawmakers says waving the jones act would help speed up the delivery of food, fuel, medicine and building materials to puerto rico. but when pressed on this today, the president said he's worried about the shipping industry. >> in puerto rico, mr. president, why not lift the jones act. >> we have a lot of shippers and people in the shipping industry that don't want the jones act lefted. >> so the shippers don't want the law lifted and that's what holding the president back. here are the facts, there is no cure all, but the president lifted the jones act last month after hurricanes harvey and irma, to help americans on the mane land. trump has tweeted 26 times in his fight over the national anthem, and just six times about puerto rico. none of these six times were until after he faced intense criticism and then he started tweeting about it. and when he did mentioned puerto rico, he even insulted the island, his first tweet reading, puerto rico who was already suffering from broken infrastructure and massive debt is in trouble. and ivan watson is out front in puerto rico, you've been out today, what have you seen? >> reporter: we've been trolling the military effort here, several military officials tell cnn that they plan in the coming days to practically double the number of active duty troops on the ground from about 2,500 now in puerto rico and the virgin islands, to add 2,000 or 3,000 more. but that just may not be enough with a stricken island with a population of some 3.4 million people. >> citizens of colombia, escaping the island of puerto rico, evacuating aboard a colombian air force plane, and it's hard to blame them. aboard a u.s. navy helicopter, you get a sense of the scale of the damage here. a week after hurricane maria barrelled across puerto rico, transport, electricity, drinking water and telecommunications are seriously, if not completely disrupted. this devastated island still needs so much help. and the u.s. military is uniquely positioned to assist. the u.s. ship is an amphibious assault ship, but here's it's a floating logistical hub. the u.s. is supporting puerto rico, by land, sea and air, not only with these vertical takeoff auspreys, but also with trucks and bulldozers on the ground. >> we continue to do search and rescue at an alert posture, so we're able to respond if we get a call. >> we're doing a lot of work to move logistics, those critical life sustaining supplies, water, food, medical supplies to different parts of the island that may not be accessible by ground. >> reporter: among the men and women helping with this effort, puerto ricans in the military trying to help their family. >> the condition that she's in, not have that liberty to just go over there and help out and put hands on whoever, and help out whoever, that's a more frustrating part, but we have a job to do on board the ship. >> reporter: everybody plays their part here, the ship has two parking garages like this full of heavy vehicles and it's ferrying them to puerto rico on landing craft via this well deck. in recent days, sailors and marines from moved a desalinization unit on to the island to distribute clean drinking water and bulldozers to open up roads brock blocked by . >> we're here, we'll stay here as long as we have to make sure this island gets back up on its feet. >> reporter: one of those sailors told me that his whole life as a child growing up here in puerto rico, his parents fed him and now it was his chance to try to send some food back, not only to his family, to his neighborhood, to his stricken community. >> i know we were talking to the governor of puerto rico, she also want that act lifted so they can get more food and supplie supplies. one shipper was telling us that they have 3,000 containers that are full and they're not able to get them even into the island, it's a two pronged problem, you can get this water to the poor who have now gone days without water. and i know you've seen some of this problem. >> reporter: i mean, what do you do, even with this military assistance and the lift power and the boats and the trucks if so much of the supply chain is broken right now. so cnn spoke with the executive of this company crowley, who said there are 3,000 containers but there's no truck drivers and there's no fuel for the trucks to send out aid into the community. and this supply chain is broken in so many places right now, we have puerto ricans showing up saying they can't pay for groceries at the supermarket with credit cards because the communications system is broke down. and they have a cash stockpile, and it's become people say a cash based society. so all these steps in the supply chain are broken. the military can help some, fema, other agencies coming in, but how do you rebuild this entire supply chain? that is the enormous challenge facing this u.s. island. >> as we said again, we can't say it enough, a humanitarian crisis, more than 3 million people right now. the reality of this is of course it's not just that the president said he was worried about the shippers that didn't want that jones act waved, he's also still focused on the nfl and the senate race in alabama that he ended up losing. jim, do you get the sense, when it comes to puerto rico, clearly the president is playing catch up, there's no question about that, he didn't even tweet about it until people started criticizing him for saying nothing. >> reporter: and erin today the president seemed like he was being pulled in a lot of different directions, he was still licking his wounds after that election in alabama, he was embarrassed that his can dad lost, he said he had the votes to pass the graham cassidy bill, which he doesn't have the votes. and later on this afternoon, the white house said that the president did speak by phone to the congressional delegate, according to this white house spokeswoman, that delegate told the president, she thanked him profusely for all the relief efforts going into puerto rico, so the white house bending over backwards to thank the trump administration. one thing we want to point out is that the administration did in fact announce today that they had tapped a brigadier general to coordinate the relief efforts out of pentagon on the ground in puerto rico, so that should accelerate the progress down there. but the big question on the island is why isn't help happening fast enough? and the president said today at this tax event here in indianapolis, that he's not going to turn his back on the people of puerto rico, that help is on the way, but of course people are going to be watching to make sure that is in fact what is going to take place and the president will be down there on tuesday. >> and he surprised everybody saying he was going to do that. when the president came out and said we're thinking about, we're talking about the jones act here, which obviously he had lifted for both irma and harvey for florida and texas but has not yet for puerto rico. separate for what kind of an impact it may or may not have, he said we have a lot of shippers and a lot of people working in the shipping industry that don't want that act rescinded. >> we're hearing from our sources, erin, that there is a debate inside the administration as we speak as to what to do with those regulations, because people in puerto rico feel that those regulations are not working for them, so there's a debate going on inside the trump administration. and sarah huckabee sanders said that's what's going to be done with respect to the jones act, but it does leave the door open that they might change their mind in all of this, and pressure is sure building down in puerto rico to make sure those regulations go away because it's certainly not helping the people of puerto rico zbrvmt the govz for just came out saying that they want that waved. retired lieutenant general russell, i think you heard the news, there is now brigadier general in charge, the pentagon has put in charge? >> yes, brigadier general kim out of army north. when the brigadier army created a fifth army, we also have a marine quarters, an air force and a navy. and they have sent a deputy commander, brigadier general kim to be the commander of the military there, that is correct. >> let me ask you, general, you have the governor now, the elected representative from puerto rico, asking for this jones act to be waved. it's really complicated what's happening, stuff may be getting to port, but not getting to where it's needed. they said it would speed aid getting to where it needs to be if that act were lifted. he responded this way about puerto rico. here he is. >> well, we're thinking about that, but we have a lot of shippers and a lot of people that work in the shipping industry that don't want the jones act lifted. >> what's your response to that, general, the president seems concerned about the shipping industry. >> i want to say that's a crying damned shame. i knew since yesterday that big shots on wall street were making this call, and the president has shown again, he don't give a damn about poor people, he don't give a damn about people of color and the sob that's out on air force one, is denying services for the people of puerto rico. i hate to say it that way, but there's no other way to say it. >> the second class citizens, which is what we said at the top of the show, you're saying, to you, this is also a race issue? >> i'm reading in it just like he read about why guys call sobs to mostly african-americans who kneel during the national anthem. he has that liberty as a citizen, i have that liberty, but right on the horizon here, not to change the subject, but there's a crisis coming, 43% of puerto ricans receive social security, they're expecting that money in the next couple of days, the federal government better get off their butt and make sure these people get their money. and the next thing they need to do is get cash in there and hire people to start doing work. if they infuse that island with cash, they can go back to work, otherwise if they have to make sure the telecommunications go back online, people are going to be on mres for days and weeks on end. they're going by the fema checklist and the norc nrom checklist, we had it happen in new orleans, the city of new orleans ran out of cash, the white house had to get involved and give them cash, but they could wire it in, puerto rico is a cash economy now, how are those people going to get paid? that's more than a quarter of their population. >> general, thank you for your time. i want to go to the mayor of san juan. mayor, we have just been talking about the jones act, which i know now your governor has said he wants waved and your representative to congress has said she wants waived. the president of the united states has elected not to do so, even though he did of course for hurricane marias irma and harvey. what do you think is holding him back? he says it's the shipping industry he's worried about. >> i don't know what's holding him back. i know why he shouldn't hold back, what irma came for seven days, this jones act was suspended. that meant the cost of living and the cost of reconstruction materials we s went down 30%. it's better for the u.s. in terms of relief rather than only pouring millions of dollars into puerto rico, just eliminating or suspending for a year the jones act, so that it's lowered 30% automatically, the cost of reconstruction is going to be enormous and if 30% can be lowered, that's just one very big first step. >> so mayor-- >> so the president doesn't really understand. >> so he said, i'm just quoting him, i don't need to replay his full sound bite again, but he said he's thinking about this, but we have a lot of shippers and a lot of people working in the shipping industry that don't want the jones act lifted, that's the reason he gave today for the reason why he doesn't lift it in the case of puerto rico. do you think he sees you and other americans in puerto rico as second class citizens? >> well, yeah, there were a lot of people that did not want slavery to end. and it was the right thing to do. there were a lot of people that didn't want women to vote, and it was the right thing to do. there were a lot of people that didn't want marriage equality, but it's the right and appropriate thing to do. so sometimes one can reach accommodations, so sometimes one can do the right thing, the moral thing, the ethical thing and i'm sure that our brothers and sisters in those shipping unions can see how important this is to the livelihood of puerto rico. we are the only miunicipality i puerto rico that has union work, so i know, and i support the plight of our brothers and sisters in the unions. but this is a dire situation, this is a live or death situation, so i am sure that if placed in the appropriate context, just like it was repealed or revoked or suspended for seven days during hurricane maria irma, it can be done, because it is the right thing to do. there is always a lot of excuses not to do the right thing, but the united states that i know, where i lived for 12 years, where i west to school in boston and got my masters at carnegie mellon in pittsburgh where i gave birth to my daughter, is a country that always chooses to do the right thing, and this is the right thing, mr. president, just get on with it and do it. >> are you disappointed with what he's done so far? >> well, i think that there's a lot of good people down here, the fema workers are wonderful, they're passionate, they're committed, but there seems to be certain jurisdictional issues that don't let them get to do what they're supposed to do. the planning phase must be over, we need to get the aid in people's hands. we have been blessed in san juan, the mayor of new york, the mayor of boston, the mayor of chicago, today, the mayor of miami beach himself came down bringing 7,000 pounds of food and supplies. congressman lisa guerrero, they all are pulling and they're coming directly to the municipalities to provide the much-needed aid that is coming because the municipalities are closer. when people call 911, you don't say i'm sorry, your calling from a county, you have to call from a borough, let me see if i can get your request through. you aftenter the may day call, matter where it comes from. >> mayor, we appreciate your time. >> thank you very much, we appreciate you being a voice that allows everyone to know that we appreciate what the u.s. is doing, we're just desperate and life-and-death situation and a humanitarian crisis and we need it to be as fast and as good as we know it can be done. >> we hope that many are hearing your voice right now, mayor, thank you. next, the president, he picked the loser in that big race last night. that senator says race, is that why ann irate trump deleted his tweets? 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what's going to bring us back together, a president? congress? no, it's going to be god. >> reporter: in a state as red as alabama, roy moore is certainly the front-runner in this election, the democrats however are feeling a lot more confident, they're saying they have much better chances than if they're running against luther strange. the democratic candidate is a former u.s. attorney named doug jones and he put a statement last night clearly targeting moore, in which he said after years of embarrassing headlines about top public officials in this state, this race is about people in alabama choosing a candidate with a character and integrity they can proud of. this election due to be held on december 12. but joe biden will be down here next week campaigning for jones. out front now, our senior political analyst mark preston and celine ade, a president, deleting tweets, usually this is not the way it goes, he deleted several tweets in which he supported luther strange. but he doesn't delete a whole lot of tweets that maybe he should, including the one recently where he slammed iran for launching a missile that they didn't actually launch. what's the president's logic here? every one of these tweets gets a lot of retreatretweets they're gone. >> you're asking me to find the logic in the actions of president trump. even his supporters know it, maybe they don't embrace it. he listens to what he says, not what he does, he wants people to believe him, no matter what. whether he's talking about crowd size for inauguration, whether he's talking about the health care votes, we had the votes, but we're going to wait until january. donald trump doesn't like lying, donald trump doesn't like being told that he's a loser and guess what, this morning he was a loser when it came to this alabama brace. >> he was a loser, but it seems he's way more focused on being a loser than anybody else was, and now everybody's talking about him being a loser. before the race itself, talking about how worried he was that he would look like a loser. here he is. >> i'm taking a big risk, because if luther doesn't make it, they're going to go after me. they're going to say, donald trump, the president of the united states was unable to pull his candidate croacross the lin it is a terrible, terrible moment for trump, this is total embarrassment. >> selena, it really isn't a terrible, terrible moment, he lost, but he's the one that's making it matter here. he deleted tweets about strange, it's stunning. >> it's also misguided. i really think there is h there is this nuance in this race that people are missing including the president. this was not a national race, this was a very local race, with very local sentiments. people forget that republican primary voters, republican voters period, in alabama are very upset with what former governor robert matly did, he's the one that resigned because he had an affair and he used taxpayers dollars as part of this affair. and those voters never had a way to punish him. but bently is the guy who appointed strange, and, you know, sort of parted that mobile establishment. this was a more populism, and i think that that's the important thing that we need to look back at voters and say, what's going on here? oh, people are still pushing back against the establishment, they weren't pushing back against frudonald trump, they'r pushing back against the mobile blim establishment. they didn't have a way to act against bentley because he's out the door. >> i want to play a game for each of you, mark, you first, i'm going to read you a quote, and you're going to tell me who said it. i have to produce my birth certificate, but not the president of the united states, that's very strange indeed. >> okay, it wasn't donald trump. >> okay, it wasn't donald trump, you're right, so it was? it was roy moore, the guy that donald trump didn't support. that's what roy moore would say that about barack obama. he's a lot like roy moore, why did he even back the other guy, mark? one reason is he was basically told by his political advisors, we stay with strange, he's been a supporter of all your policies all the way through, he did support your supreme court pick. this is an uphill battle for republicans to win come december. you're going to hold on to that seat. roy moore might be food for donald trump, roy moore is going to be really bad for congressional republicans, especially mitch mcconnell, he will make his life a living -- i'll leave it there. >> selena, i'll give you the second one, here you go, i think we need something to stop illegal aliens from coming across the border because they are a danger to our homes, our families. >> roy moore. i mean this is a guy who sounds like he's going to go full throttle for the law, which a lot of republicans in the senate are not, selena? >> look, the president didn't need to delete tweets, he didn't need to walk away from this, he didn't, if the reporting is accurate, which it probably was, be irate about it. it's still a win and he should still be sort of embracing the fact that populism is still going on, that sort of energy behind disruption, and so that in effect means that he is still popular. i mean the people who voted for moore don't like trump less, you know, this is a very local election, that's the thing about special elections that people forget. it's really not national, even though it gets on the national stage. it's very much about the state that it occurs in, whether it's a congressional district or a u.s. senate race. >> all right, thank you both very much and i think you make the point, it's hard to think that somebody who said these things, someone who voted for them wouldn't also vote for donald trump. so in that case, it's nothinging to embarrassed about mr. president. the president selling his new tax plan and promises cuts for the middle class. is it true? the russian bought facebook ads went far beyond the election, we'll talk about the scheme to generate discourse in the united states. the classes, the friends, the independence. and since we planned for it, that student debt is the one experience, i'm glad she'll miss when you have the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant. ameriprise ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ whstuff happens. old shut down cold symptoms fast with maximum strength alka seltzer plus liquid gels. breaking news, president trump on the road selling his sweeping new tax plan, because he is so good at it, he says. >> this is a once in a generation opportunity and i guess it's probably something i could say that i'm very good at, i've been waiting for this for a long time. our frame work includes our explicit commitment that tax reform will protect low income and middle income households, not the wealthy and well connected, they can call me all they want, it's not going to help, i'm going to do the right thing and it's not good for me, belief me. >> barbara wright served under bill clinton. and you heard the president, it's not good for me, believe e me, do you? >> no, i don't. erin, the tax -- first of all, it's a framework, every time you see coming out of washington, whether it's republicans or democrats framework in connection with a tax proposal, the details are not there because they have not been worked out. what we know from the framework, for example the top rate is going to go down, also it's going to be possible for people like trump and also all the real estate and hedge fund partners, they're going to be able to get a pass through, which would dramatically reduces their tax rates and people at the bottom are going to pay a slightly higher tax rate, even though the exemption is doubled, but the estate tax, that now only tops the richer .2% they want to eliminate, so the biggest beneficiaries are the very wealthy and big corporations and everybody else in the middle is going to have to probably pay a little bit more. but the big news here, and i don't want this overlooked, is that the deficit hawks in the republican party are now silent. this is going to create a huge budget deficit, the estimates based upon past tax proposals that are similar to this are something like $3 trillion to $7 trillion. >> just pause on that point, i don't want to get into a whole fight about whether tax cuts pay for themselves in deficits. but get to robert's point as to whether the rich is going to get a tax cut here, because it sure looks like that they will with this proposal. is it true that trump's just going to get a tax break and everyone like him? >> i moisz you, my friend, and you have never seen a tax cut you like, do you? for all the time i have known you. >> it tax cuts on the lower income people. >> i'm going to make a case that i think this really will benefit the middle class. there's a couple of themes going forward. they haven't sold the plan is this business tax rate reduction and when bob was talking about those so called pass throughs are small business owners and we do believe that if you put more money into the coffers of small businesses, they'll hire more workers and maybe bye mouy moref for that business. and that's exactly what they're going to two put more money in that business and grow it. what we're talking about, and as you know erin, i helped trump put this together during the campaign. we do want to cut the rates a little more the high income people, but we're going to get rid of those taxes and those loopholes. >> are they really going to pay more? >> well, we'll see. >> do you honestly think that they'll end up paying more? >> i actually think this is going to be a tax cut for the american people. >> you believe that tax cuts pay for themselves. >> you think that the wealthy people, they should get a tax cut? >> i think our corporations are overtaxed, there's no question about that, i think bob may even agree with that, our high corporate tax rate -- this is about trying to bring those jobs back to america and i believe that it will. it worked for jfk, it worked for reagan, and i think it will work for trump. >> they have weights of something like 9 0 something percent. >> you're right, our rates on individuals are much lower than they use ed to be, you're quite correct about that, but where we really suffer economically, the big bang for the buck comes in lowering these business taxes, and the congressional business office, you saw the health care debate, they say 65% of the benefit of cutting the business tax rate goes to workers. middle class workers. >> bob? >> i will believe that when you tell me that actually workers have had a raise in real terms over the last 30 years, these big tax cuts, these big trickle down tax cuts that you've been advocating for all these years, steven moore, but the corporations are now flush with cash, they don't even know what to do with all their money, they have never had this money as a percentage of the total gross national product. the wealthy in this country have never been as wealthy, they have never taken home as much of the total economy as they have taken home. the top 1% have more money that the lower 99% of americans. >> because you need businesses for jobs, it's that simple, without an employer, you don't have a job. >> you are wrong but one thing that's very, very fundamental, it is the middle income and poor people who actually through their spending create jobs, businesses are not going to invest in new jobs until there are people who are purchasing, that's one of the problems we have had through the last 25 years, that's why the recovery have been as slugish as it has because the middle class and the poor don't have any money. >> that's what we'll be talking about as they try and try to pass something. and next breaking news, how russia sought to generate chaos in this country through a black lives matter on facebook. we have an exclusive port as we find out what these these were. wi hhs secretary tom price be fired for flying private jets? 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>> it could be very significant and the reason is that it shows the level of sophistication that these russian ad buyers had in terms of understanding the american political landscape and also what their intentions were. the sources with espoke with said that the intention of markets a black lives matter ads in ferguson and baltimore understanding that those would be receptive audiences, reacceptive in the way that they supported black lives matter or opposed black live matters, it tells how russia was trying to sew discord in the american political system generally, not just anti-donald trump, or anti-hillary clinton but really trying to get to the heart of some of these political and cultural battles that have been going on for many years. >> earlier today, president trump tweeted, quote, facebook was always anti-trump, mark zuckerberg is firing back tonight. what he's saying? >> facebook ceo mark zuckerberg did two things, he first took the opportunity to say, look, facebook was a positive influence during the 2016 election, we took ads from the right and from the left, that tells you that we're a platform that speaks to all americans and all americans used it to participate in the election, second thing very quickly, is he to apologize for dismissing the notion that misinformation on facebook may have played a role in influencing the outcome of the 2016 campaign. >> now back to our top story, the breaking news from puerto rico, and now at this moment we have some new images of the grim extent of the humanitarian crisis in puerto rico. for the first time, you're going to go to the small island off the coast of puerto rico, there is no power there, there is no food there, there is no way to let anyone who lives there let anyone who does not live there know whether they're even alive. i know that it was a very difficult thing to do and to see, but tell us about it. >> reporter: well, this is one of the most popular spots in puerto rico, million dollar homes, it's a favorite of people like ricky martin, but there's also 10,000 working poor puerto ricans who have been there for a long time. and for the last week, it's a black hole of information, no word on who survived or made it through the wicked winds of maria, so we found a pilot of a cessna to take us east to the main island here, and it absolutely broke my heart. here's a look. landing at what is normally a tropical paradise, the first impressions are shock, awe and dread. it looks like we catch a ride through the wreckage to the town center where the deputy mayor tells me all of the 10,000 residence survived the storm but a few of the frail died sense. the battered locals wait in heat for the first contact in a week. >> we're out of food, we're running out of food and water. >> reporter: that is the kind of heart breaking soul draining scene that's getting played out again and again as people look at her cry. as she gets on a symphocell pho the first time. oh, my god. it crushes your soul to watch that and this is the line, this is a two-hour line of folks waiting to give proof of life to a wife, husband or a father, it's rough. this is on officer who lives on the island, he is from the state national guard, puerto rican national gaurt but he can't carry a gun for security until he's activated and bureau red tape is holding that up. things are so prim tiff they drive around in a speaker truck, letting people know when water is coming, if water is coming. i just spoke to former president of the senator here in puerto rico -- current senator who gave me the most compassionate plea that they needed general, ships and they need help right now. >> this is something that needs and requires someone who knows how to distribute goods in the middle of a war zone. >> reporter: so you're making a plea for marshal law? >> i'm making a plea for marshal law. i'm making a plea for three or five days where we can distribute water and food. it's six days after the hurricane, it's a horrible scenario in puerto rico. we need orders and we need to follow certain amount of law. and right now, it's no man's land at night. after 7:00 p.m. it's no man's land. >> i lost everything. >> reporter: there is so much more to share with you. i'm going upstairs write a script, we're going to cut it all day tomorrow. we'll show you the pain and heart break of those people who need help now. erin. >> thank goodness you are able to raise awareness so more and more people can see this. bill weir thank you so much. next, trump not happy with his health and human services secretary's use of private jets. my experience with usaa has been excellent. they always refer to me as master sergeant. they really appreciate the military family, and it really shows. we've got auto insurance, homeowners insurance. had an accident with a vehicle, i actually called usaa before we called the police. usaa was there hands-on very quick very prompt. i feel like we're being handled as people that actually have a genuine need. we're the webber family and we are usaa members for life. usaa, get your insurance quote today. and tonight cnn learn e pa commuter scott pruitt used a private plane for his business. let's just be clear all of the private planes are being paid for by you. >> i was looking into it and i will look into it and i will tell you personally i'm not happy about it, i am not happy about it. >> what are you going to do about it? >> i'm going to look at it. i'm not happy about it and i let him know it. >> tom foreman is out front. >> reporter: september 15th, 8:27 a.m., secretary price leaves dallas airport on a private jet with the white house's kellyanne conway. they fly to philadelphia, tour an addiction facility and back in d.c. by early afternoon. the price tag $25,000. the same trip at roughly the same times on a commercial plane, likely be less than $1,500. on am track, under $500. and his motor k could have driven them to philly in two hours and 20 minutes. the president's response. >> i will tell you personally i am not happy about it. i am going to look at it. i'm not happy about it and i let him know it. >> reporter: other examples, in june a round chip to nashville by private jet cost $18,000. a commercial flight with government discounts would have cost 102 to $333 per person. the secretary hcited his cat tight schedule is the reason he took five trips this month. in august he took a private jet to an island in georgia where he and his wife owned property a day-and-a-half before he spoke at a medical conference. and on september 13th. he took a private jet to maine for a meeting the next day. then it was on to a health center in new hampshire and back to d.c., estimated cost, $40,000. >> this wasn't a white house approved travel. >> in all 26 trips on private jets by secretary price costing about $400,000. the e kwif lant of all the federal income tax paid last year by 55 average american families. it's pretty awkward when price used to raid other officials for using private jets. >> this is another example of irresponsibility running a muck in congress. >> reporter: still secretary says the claim are overstated. >> we've taken many many trips in cars, sometimes four or five hours at a time. >> reporter: what's more the department's travel policy is under review and doesn't expect any more until that's complete. >> we've heard the concerns and we take that very seriously and to heart. >> reporter: well, we'll see how much they've taken it to heart. one of the things said, erin was he wanted to get out of washington and spend more time with normal voters and i wanted to point out there are plenty normal voters if you ride in coach. erin. >> thank you very much. now a major milestone, women can drive in saudi arabia. it has been against the law for 40 years and it's a major step for the nation's soon crown prince who is only 30 years old. one woman captured it saying saudi arabia will never be the same against. she had been arrested in 2011 for traveling and challenging the ban. i been to saudi arabia report including this issue and what amazes me is the idea saying women aren't smart enough to dri drive, there are women who defended the ban. they say other than driving they can do more things in the car. why de-americans focus on the fact they're not able to drive. here's what a mother and daughter told me about the ban on driving and the law requiring them to wear the black abia in public. >> there's a limitation on driving. >> for me it's not an obstacle. >> it's going to lim you, you're not strong enough as a person to do what you want to do really. >> these interviews were done in 2010. at the time women in saudi told me it would be another five years before they were allowed to drive, it's been seven. there are a couple of ways to see this move and one is to celebrate it. the second is to highlight how far saudi still have to go. there is no turning back but there is a real question whether a change in that law would mean anything more than a super official change in a society where women still need a male guardian to allow them to leave the country. thanks for joining us. watch out front on cnn go, "ac 360" begins right now. we're coming to you from the side of a special "360" town hall. patriotism, and the president. what kaepernick did last year in taking a knee has grown. a heated debate of racial injustice, free speech. president trump weighed in on friday calling players who protest during national anthem sons of bitches. tonight athletes, veterans, cultural figures and members of law enforcement join us in talking it out. that's ahead. last night in alabama challenger roy
the fbi and other government officials by using bruce ohr as a back channel. clean copies without sections blacked out, from former fbi director james comey, is deputy andrew mccabe, and former fbi lawyer lisa page. until now some were available but with significant reductions. a source familiar with the records told fox they expect to see exculpatory evidence but trump campaign aids carter page as well as george papadopoulos who recently pled guilty to lying to federal investigators and got 14 days in jail. a spokesperson told fox they are working on the request but emphasized there is a process. adam schiff called the president's move "an abuse of power and not about transparency. >> tucker: when do you think we will see these documents? >> we haven't been in this situation before but one of my contacts this evening said they believe we could see some records as early as this week, within days. >> amazing. lou dobbs of course hosts lou dobbs tonight. there's a lot of news going on and will lead at this story because these documents potentially tell us a lot about one of the great scandals in modern political history. what do you think we are going to learn from this pfizer application? >> i believe we will get confirmation of a lot that we will have had at least an indication of, and that is a rancid corruption throughout the upper reaches of the fbi. i think this is a terrific day for america, i think it is a very bad day for james comey and andrew mccabe, peter strzok and others, including perhaps bruce ohr. the thing i hope that we see will be what actually took place and how much of a relationship that was established by these 20 pages from the carter page fisa court application. showing exactly what came from the famous fraudulent trump dossier and how much of it was presented to the court without reservation, without any qualification. it's going to be quite a story in and of itself, that's what i'm looking for. >> tucker: so you are looking forward to it because one of the reasons is you are a journalist. we worked together at another network a couple decades ago. have you ever seen reporters less interested in knowing what happened in right now? >> tucker, it is remarkable to me, we have news organizations that are simply absolutely bemoaning the president's decision. tonight, to declassify these documents, if all the people in this country, journalists, at least to those who still repair to the tenants and standards of the craft, we have an obligation for the public to know. let the chips fall where they may, in this president to his credit has done precisely that. he has with openness and transparency as is value said we will let the american people read these documents and see what is here and make their own judgments. i applaud the president for that. >> tucker: i never thought i would live to see journalists argue for a government secrecy but they are. so what about obama? we know that obama presidency spied on a campaign. >> in part because he is so busy speaking about himself through out each speech that it leaves little time for anything else and there are no precedent to questioning him. he's a man who over eight years of his presidency liked being questioned by journalists and certainly did fewer news conferences than one could have ever imagined a president having. the reason is, the press has an alignment. they have taken some sort of fealty oath that requires them to keep their mouths shut and pretend still that he had some sort of historic president who basically accomplished nothing in eight years. they have to preserve that fiction. >> tucker: unbelievable. i honestly can't wait to see what's in these documents. lou dobbs, thank you very much as always, great to see you. >> great to be with you. >> tucker: all of a sudden out of the blue things have changed. the nomination of brett kavanaugh for the supreme court has appeared to be in peril. the accuser has stepped forward and we will tell you who she is and what she's saying, after the break. we are the tv doctors of america, and we may not know much about medicine, but we know a lot about drama. from scandalous romance, to ridiculous plot twists. 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>> i can tell you, it does have a ring of truth to it. >> i think the allegations of professor ford are extremely credible. i don't think the allegations of this are political at all. when a woman is abused it is her prerogative as to how, where, why, and if it should all come out. >> they are all very, very deeply concerned. what's telling is the democrats have known about this for weeks. and that's of course what you would do if you knew the answer to the question but they didn't, instead they waited. the timing was entirely political and anyone who says under the mic otherwise is not telling the truth. what about the core story itself? coming to your own conclusions, people will come to their own conclusions but for the show we are not dismissing christine ford as a liar. it seems like she sincerely believes everything she's saying. but that doesn't mean she's right. human memory is notoriously unreliable especially over time. what were you doing one drunken night in the spring of 1982? don't remember? of course you don't. past is unknowable and that's why we have statutes of limitation for crimes. not because our desire for justice dems but because the chance of achieving it does. everybody knows this, the left included. the story doesn't have anything to do with justice actually or even what brett kavanaugh may have done in high school. underneath it all, anyone who lives in washington can tell you it's about abortion. with this have surfaced if brett kavanaugh had pledged allegiance to roe v. wade? of course not. some suggesting that he is a criminal once defended bill clinton when he was accused of rate. he had not metaphorically killed her but literally killed her. and yet kennedy supported abortion in all cases in the left treated them as heroes and is swept, speaking of under the rug, their crimes into the dustbin of memory. kavanaugh though may not support roe v. wade, we don't really know. therefore he must be destroyed. whatever the story is, it's not about protecting women. the larger lesson of this moment and actually the past two years is that the left will not abide losing power even temporarily. for liberals, political power is personal power and without it, they are exposed and terrified. some become vicious. if you have lost friends, liberals believe they were meant to run this country, our government and our culture. they have no intention of sharing control with you. if they are not in charge they will burn it down which is what they are doing now. the big question is will the republican party let them do this? if they allow kavanaugh's nomination to be derailed, it's over. they will never put a justice on the court again. it will be too easy to stop them, a single charge will be enough. and let us pause parenthetically and say, we may learn more in the coming weeks, who knows. in the calculation may change. as of today, there is no way to prove either way what happened 35 years ago in bethesda, maryland. it's an unsolvable mystery, unless something else comes up. so to the real nomination on the basis of that would be a brand-new thing. they vote republican anyway in part because they would like to see judges and once that's gone what's the point of voting republican. tammy bruce is the president of women's voice and she joins us tonight. tammy cometh to be totally clear i'm not impugning the character of this woman. we actually have a mutual friend is that she is a very good person and i believe that she believes what she's saying. but i don't know if that means it's right or accurate. but what bothers me is a political use to which the story has been put right now. it seems very hypocritical. >> that's it. in hearings, we still don't know and that is what makes it appealing to the democrats. for me as an advocate for women, i care about the nature of the fight that's gone on for generations to have women be taken seriously about sexual violence with strangers or acquaintances or loved ones. and yet, this kind of politicizing of an event like this as it's alleged really makes a mockery of all of our experiences as women when we have encountered that kind of situation. so that it is my concern. >> tucker: can you pause right there? how does it make a mockery of that? >> we have been told, or at least we were dismissed before when we complained about domestic violence or the way we were treated in a society that suggests of course through pornography and other means that we were to be abused. or we were to be abused of the pleasure of man or other people. or if we don't perform properly, we pay the price for that. we have the right to be treated well, we want a legal system that listens to our complaints and we are serious, these are serious issues that have been to all women across the board. it's not a partisan issue, it affects us. so when we say we want to be taken seriously, it's because we want justice. and then allegations come forward specifically to harm someone to be used in a matter to run them personally, to ruin their career and their personal reputation. and it's outside of the justice system. it's not about the accuser being taken seriously and the accused having rights as well, because that is the only way that we are treated fairly. so we are actually saying, everyone who is saying that women can't be trusted and women are going to use accusations against us, that comes back into play. none of us deserve this. we want this to be a fair dynamic. and your outline put it perfectly. this is about a political dynamic. and for me it's a political character assassination and it's a shame that she's in this position and that we are, and certainly judge kavanaugh is, we all deserve better. i think one way to stop this from continuing as to confirm judge kavanaugh. we have this dynamic of knowing him and his history as an adult, and we can't allow allegations that can't be proven to derail this kind of dynamic when we have all of these other elements in place. >> tucker: sure. very quickly, wouldn't it be nice to have a real debate about the constitution and how the supreme court interprets it, rather than have an endless series of debates about the moral character of this nominee to that for the other thing? >> this is a good example of the difference between what the conservatives want which is a view of the constitution and with the supreme court is wanting to do and, and they are putting them through the star chamber. and, we gave credit to admit, she doesn't remember what happened, which year, how she got there or how she left, and she seems to be honest in those frameworks. but the fact is, with the way it's been handled from the start of the senator feinstein, it was meant to simply be a political hatchet job. and for those of us who have experienced sexual violence or harassment or assault, we handle that with different ways in our lives. i'm not going to begrudge her for how she handled what she said happened to her, and when chuck schumer starts giving you a moral lecture, none of this is real. tammy, thank you. hillary clinton did not get elected in 2016, and you may not know this, they have not gotten over it. now she says america must scrap the entire system of government in response. we will tell you what she says, next. ♪ flintstones! meet the flintstones. ♪ ♪ they're the modern stone age family. ♪ ♪ from the town of bedrock. ♪ meet george jetson. ♪ ♪ his boy elroy. with instant acceleration, electric cars are more fun to drive and more affordable than ever. electric cars are here. plug into the present. a hotel can make or break a trip. and at expedia, we don't think you should be rushed into booking one. that's why we created expedia's add-on advantage. now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts on select hotels right until the day you leave. ♪ add-on advantage. discounted hotel rates when you add on to your trip. only when you book with expedia. ito take care of anyct messy situations.. and put irritation in its place. and if i can get comfortable keeping this tookus safe and protected... you can get comfortable doing the same with yours. preparation h. get comfortable with it. doespeninsula trail?he you won't find that on a map. i'll take you there. take this left. if you listen real hard you can hear the whales. oop. you hear that? 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what century, what decade? what year? certainly, it was not when people were enslaved, and certainly it was not when segregation was the law of the land. >> tucker: that is what extremism looks like. and here is joe biden who by the way was a populace from pennsylvania at one point telling his audience that trump supporters are human garbage. watch this. >> these forces of intolerance remain determined this time they they, not you, have an ally in the white house. they are american people and verlyn people. >> miss using the word of barrel length course. vote for us or you are the dregs of society. he advised bill and hillary's campaigns. and they kind of learned that lesson in 16, talking about a certain class of people that didn't like being called names. the fact of the matter is, this is a small percentage and he is referring presumably to the people of charlottesville who downtown called, fine people. >> he said, they want to -- they have an ally and the white house. people who like trump, they are the dregs of society. our use some snobbish patrician and the fact is when we talk about this whole slavery notion, the only candidate i recall being asked a question, when was america great, was way more. >> he lost as a republican in alabama. >> exactly. >> i don't even know what he said, i could care less. do you really want to suggest that your fellow americans are for slavery? nobody is for sale very. but let's be real. it's a horrible thing to say about anybody. >> he's talking about this notion of making america great. america has been great and it will always get greater but, are we more great now than when blacks couldn't participate equally? >> tucker: nobody is saying that. >> is someone trying to return us to slavery? nobody is calling for return to slavery, no one is calling for ending universal suffrage. these aren't issues being debated because nobody supports them. >> if you ask donald trump, do you think you could give a straight answer to the question, when do you think america was great? he will point to a decade when blacks and and women didn't have the rights that they have now. >> nobody is contesting those rights or doing anything but celebrating those rights. the contribution from the middle class was the largest and most prosperous. it's an economic argument. but demagogues, people like eric hoover are saying things like, we want slavery. it scares people. >> i think what holder is saying is trump needs another which in this case was this mythical decade when america was great and he's going to restore that. the problem is he's going to restore it at the expense of the rights that have been burned. >> you really should be ashamed to say something like that. but i made my point. you hear in better democrats, the democracy is in peril. trump has outspent 2-1 and almost every rich person voted against trump, almost everyone in power dislikes trump. but anyone, anyway, because voters like him. that is democracy, is it not? >> democracy is more purely, they get the outcome that they want. >> this notion that he wants to get new york and california, we will have to agree that when the founders came up with it, it was not representative. >> you always want an electoral majority. but he didn't have one and bill clinton didn't have one and, isn't it true that this is what democracy looks like? it's when people who don't have the power still retain their power of the ballot. they elect the guy they want. >> it's still an issue here, which is, if more people voted for hillary, it does trump get off saying that the people elected me to do x? no. if they had jill sign and a portion of everybody else, she actually had more than 50 for her point of view. so donald trump, i think you're doing quite well for someone who got 46% of the vote. >> don't you think it's a threat to the system itself two years in to call into question publicly every single day for two years the legitimacy of the outcome. one actually contests that in our system under trump, it one. >> i think it sticks in their craw about russia and call me on voter suppression. but nobody honestly says he didn't win, he got more votes in the states in which he didn't win. >> the group was a higher frequency than the groups that were not suppressed. that's not true. >> it's true in the sense that more would have voted. >> the fact of the matter is, bring any voter expert, there are efforts underway to suppress votes. >> the voter experts, there's never been a more corrupted group. i'm a voter expert, i've lived here 50 years and i'm an expert. richard, thank you. for california, certainly the biggest city in the country collapsing. but we do have the tape. 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>> it was closer to 40 or 45,000 which is 100 per day. what they do as they come from out of town because they know they are not going to be prosecuted. then they also target areas such as the painted ladies here and other areas like north beach end. 39 39 where they had tourists because tourists wants a ground for the prosecution. it makes it harder on the prosecution to actually convict. but when you have cases like this which is absolutely horrible, it's not uncommon. we shouldn't be having people take in law enforcement into their own hands and with this lady did was extremely dangerous. in the circumstance of the individuals that broke into her car -- >> you mean -- the cops aren't doing anything, the city isn't doing anything, why shouldn't people take their law into the their own hands? >> while the police department, the prosecutor's office, they are the ones that should be doing this. in the instance where individuals broke into her car and jumped into another car, there are rules that the police commission has set where the police department cannot and the police department is ordered not to chase io. >> i'm confused. typically, the laws in the city, state or country are written to protect normal people. taxpayers, people with families, people who aren't bothering anyone and these laws seem to be written to help criminals. why is that? >> that particular law was written to prevent high-speed chases in high urban areas. what we should be doing is taking a look at laws that were well intended, and the problem in san francisco -- and this is true throughout the country. when you attack a progressive law, you are attacking what is seen as an attack of progressive. and this is the real problem, when we see faults in our ideal -- progressive ideals, we should be correcting them and going back and saying, this isn't making sense, it's not working. but we are not doing that. >> what if you get on bart and there was a passed out junkie and a pile of human and a mugger, do they think this is working very well. >> are homeless department isn't working well and we are building these large institutions that aren't really based on any kind of success metrics. we should not be and stepping over those individuals, and i have proposed even at the fire department that we do something about the mental health emergencies that are happening on our street because if you call 911, and you have a broken arm or you have been shot, we will show up to up leave that emergency. but if you are having a mental health emergency, we currently don't have a protocol to deal with that. and we really need to address that problem. >> i don't know if you have kids but if you don't put up with something, you will have less of it. then you find out that the cities that put up with this kind of nonsense get a lot of it in the cities that don't put up with it get dumb i could not get any of it. >> gavin newsom who is running for governor recently said, we shouldn't be spending more money on homelessness in san francisco. this is a regional problem. this is where they worked for years on the homeless problem and put a dent in it. and he's absolutely right about that. >> that guy -- look at the city he left behind. >> we worked really hard with gavin newsom on the homeless problem in san francisco. but he's right about this one. >> tucker: he is right on that one thing. >> is a regional problem. >> tucker: joe, thanks very much. the rest of us are waiting to hear more evidence in the brett kavanaugh story, but famous people in l.a. don't wait for evidence. they are out on twitter, convicting. nt forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise their rates because of their first accident. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ take us downtown, waze. waze integration- seamlessly connecting the world inside... with the world outside... making life a little... easier. introducing the well-connected lincoln mkc. after bill's back needed a vacation from his vacation. so he stepped on the dr. scholl's kiosk. it recommends our best custom fit orthotic to relieve foot, knee, or lower back pain so you can move more. dr. scholl's. born to move. >> tucker: the president has ordered the declassification of a number of documents close to the center of the russian investigation. the text and soon, possibly tomorrow, we will get a very close look at why these decisions were made and we can see for ourselves. mark steyn is joining us tonight. what do you think we will learn? >> i think we will learn in terms of profitable because, carter page for example, the united states government had absolutely nothing to go on, other than something that is basically a cooked up dossier by a man who is a foreign spy. the fisa applications if you look at what is redacted, everyone thinks there's all kinds of interesting stuff in there but most see it's just a boilerplate form that you have to fill in to get the application. it's just box checking which is a lot about the stupid paperwork is. when you actually look at the main section of probable cause that carter page is a russian spy, they explained that, you know, russia is a sovereign state. the capital city is moscow, they've been spying on americans since the end of the second world war, and if you actually take the justification that they have for spying on an american citizen, it's absolutely minimal. and if that's confirmed tomorro tomorrow, whether they are conservative or liberal, ought to be not about that. >> you just have to be an american i think. so you've probably been on twitter all day and seen that the famous community has already decided what they think of brett kavanaugh. actor rob delaney writes, male g.o.p. senators, huge opportunity for you to present you give a [bleep] about women. ben sasse, bob corker and jeff flake, one of you soft pieces of [bleep] should grab this once and an opportunity. but let me ask you, do we live in a world where anybody cares what these people think? >> oh, come on, tucker. if you at wherever on the debate society at school and did model u.n., you know that calling people a soft piece of [bleep] is dispositive in an argument, it's right up there with calling your political opponent supporters the dregs of society. this guy, rob delaney, it's interesting to me how i am a drag of society. i don't know whether you can be a singular drag, but i am. i'm always interested to know how high up the drugs go to the hollywood guys. one of these people who are mad about it, jeffrey light who played felix in the bond movies a couple years back, he says christine ford will now face of barbaric republican wrath and also lifelong ostracizing bike cavanaugh kavanaugh's suburban maryland seersucker and dock siders country club set. you are wearing duck ciders tonight, tucker. you are probably wearing a seersucker suit under that phony suit you have on top of it. so the dregs of society includes people in seersucker suits. hollywood elite, it would be much easier for joe biden and eric holder and the hollywood crowd to make a list of people who are qualified to opine and this course and participate in the public life of the nation. because it doesn't seem to be a very long list in a nation of 300 million. >> tucker: no, it's their friends. i don't even know if you are a citizen but if you run for office, i will send you money. >> i'm a citizen of seersucker fans, it's a great community. >> tucker: [laughs] great to see you. a long time colleague of brett kavanaugh's joined us after the break to tell us what he is like. that'se. next. including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. flonase. stay at la quinta. where we're changing with stylish make-overs. then at your next meeting, set your seat height to its maximum level. bravo, tall meeting man. start winning today. book now at lq.com start winning today. so why not bundle them with esurance and save up to 10%? 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this is a man with a wife and two little girls. >> i hope they are doing okay. his wife is a strong person, a person of faith and his girls are wonderful. i'm sure they are doing their best to hold it together but i'm can't imagine it's very difficult. >> tucker: so now as a lawyer, what do you think the next move for judge kavanaugh is? >> the president said today that he welcomes the opportunity for the process to unfold and i know that judge kavanaugh has said that he is here to defend his honor and his integrity. judge kavanaugh likes to play offense, not defense. he's a big sports fan as i think you know and he's a very proactive person. i believe he is going to set the record straight about exactly what is going on here. senator hatch today issued a really interesting statement, tucker. i don't know if you saw it. he said that judge kavanaugh again denied at being at any sort of party like the one that has been described and that this might be, senator hatch suggested, a case of mistaken identity. it's possible that judge kavanaugh was not even there at all. >> tucker: really quickly, what kind of justice would he be? >> he would be a wonderful justice. he's written over 300 opinions and they are by all accounts, whether you are more liberal or conservatively oriented as a lawyer, they are by all accounts stunning work and well-researched. >> tucker: nobody even questions that. and we should be talking about that. and we be talking about the constitution and separation of powers and all that. >> thank you for your first person account of what he is like. >> tucker: we will be back tomorrow, this show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. we hope you will tune in tomorrow and the next night and as long as you are on. sean hannity, live from new york city, the city to the north. >> explosive news from the white house and all over the place, the president has in fact now ordered the doj to immediately declassify the redacted sections of the carter page fisa documents. and this is huge news. all russia related texts, and messages from comey, strzok, bruce ohr, they all might be released unredacted. it is truly a deep state house of
clean copies without sections blacked out, from former fbi director james comey, is deputy andrew mccabe, and former fbi lawyer lisa page. until now some were available but with significant reductions. a source familiar with the records told fox they expect to see exculpatory evidence but trump campaign aids carter page as well as george papadopoulos who recently pled guilty to lying to federal investigators and got 14 days in jail. we last few minutes, exposed person told fox they are arty working on the request but emphasized, there adam schiff called the is a process. president's move "an abuse of power and not about transparency. >> tucker: when do you think we will see these documents? >> we haven't been in this situation before but one of my contacts this evening said they believe we could see some records as early as this week, within days. they believe the first records will probably be the application renewal for cotter >> amazing. page from 2017. lou dobbs of course hosts lou dobbs tonight. there's a lot of news going on and will lead at this storyts because these documents potentially tell us a lot about one of the great scandals in modern political history. what do you think we are going to learn from this fisa application? >> i believe we will get confirmation of a lot that we will have had at least an indication of, and that is a rancid corruption throughout the upper reaches of the fbi. i think this is a terrific day for america, i think it is a very bad day for james comey and andrew mccabe, peter strzok and others, including c perhaps bruce ohr. the thing i hope that we see will be what actually took place and how much of a relationship that was established by these 20 pages from the carter page fisa court application. showing exactly what came from the famous fraudulent trump dossier and how much of it was presented to the court without reservation, without any qualification. it's going to be quite a story in and of itself, that's what i'm looking for.n, >> tucker: so you are looking forward to it because one of the reasons is you are a journalist. you want more information rather than less. we worked together at another >> that is how long. have you ever seen reporters less interested in knowing what happened in right now? >> tucker, it is remarkable to me, we have news organizations that are simply absolutely bemoaning the president's decision. tonight, to declassify these documents, if all the people in this country, journalists, at least to those who still repair to the tenants and standards of the craft, we have an obligation for the public to know. let the chips fall where they may, in this president to his credit has done precisely that. he has with openness and transparency as is value said we will let the american people read these documents and see what is here and make their own judgments. i applaud the president for that. >> tucker: i never thought i would live to see journalists argue for a government secrecy but they are. so what about obama? we know that obama presidency spied on a campaign. we are about to find out on what pretext they did. you don't >> in part because he is so busy hear obama asked about this. speaking about himself through out each speech that it leaves little time for anything else questioning him. he's a man who over eight years of his presidency liked being questioned by journalists and certainly did fewer news conferences than one could have ever imagined a president having. the reason is, the press has an alignment. they have taken some sort of fealty oath that requires them to keep their mouths shut and pretend still that he had some sort of historic president who basically accomplished nothing in eight years. they have to preserve that fiction. >> tucker: unbelievable. i honestly can't wait to see what's in these documents. lou dobbs, thank you very much as always, great to see you. >> great to be with you. >> tucker: all of a sudden out of the blue things have changed. the nomination of brett kavanaugh for the supreme court has appeared to be in peril. his accuser has publicly stepped forward, we know who she is and what she is saying, will tell you what it means after the break we are the tv doctors of america, and we may not know much about medicine, but we know a lot about drama. from scandalous romance, to ridiculous plot twists. 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>> i can tell you, it does have a ring of truth to it. >> i think the allegations of professor ford are extremely credible. i don't think the allegations of this are political at all.ly when a woman is abused it is her senator feinstein and did the thing. prerogative as to how, where, why, and if it should all come out. >> they are all very, very deeply concerned. what's telling is the democrats have known about this for weeks. he was sitting right in front of them. and that's of course what you would do if you knew the answer to the question but they didn't, instead they waited. the timing was entirely political and anyone who says otherwise, is not telling the truth. what about the core story itself? coming to your own conclusions, in suburban maryland. people will come to their own conclusions but for the show we are not dismissing christine ford as a liar. it seems like she sincerelyno believes everything she's saying. but that doesn't mean she's right.hr human memory is notoriously unreliable especially over time. what were you doing one drunkenn night in the spring of 1982? don't remember? of course you don't. it's been 36 years. past is unknowable and that'ss why we have statutes of limitation for crimes. not because our desire for justice dems but because the chance of achieving it does. everybody knows this, the left included. f the story doesn't have anything to do with justice actually or even what brett kavanaugh may have done in high school.y underneath it all, anyone who lives in washington can tell yow it's about abortion. does anyone believe this tour would have to roe v. wade? surfaced if brett kavanaugh would've pledged allegiance of course not. some suggesting that he is a criminal once defended bill clinton when he was accused of rate. he had not metaphorically killed her but literally killed her. and yet kennedy supported abortion in all cases in the left treated them as heroes and is swept, speaking of under the rug, their crimes into the dustbin of memory. kavanaugh though may not support roe v. wade, we don't really know. therefore he must be destroyed. it is pretty straightforward. whatever the story is, it's not about protecting women. don't buy that spin. the larger lesson of this moment and actually the past two years is that the left will not abide losing power even temporarily. for liberals, political power is personal power and without it,ng they are exposed and terrified. some become vicious. if you have lost friends, since trump got elected, you know exactly what we are talking about. liberals believe they were meant to run this country, our government and our culture. they have no intention of sharing control with you. if they are not in charge they will burn it down which is what they are doing now. the big question is will the republican party let them do this? if republicans allow brett kavanaugh's nomination to be derailed they will never put a justice on , it is over. the court again. it will be too easy to stop them, a single charge will be enough. that does the president they will set. and let us pause parenthetically and say, we may learn more in the coming weeks, who knows.a a in the calculation may change. as of today, there is no way to prove either way what happened 35 years ago in bethesda, maryland. it's an unsolvable mystery, unless something else comes up. so to derail the nomination on the basis of it, that would be a brand-new thing. they vote republican anyway in part because they would like to see judges and once that's gone what's the point of voting republican. once that is gone, what is the point? tammy bruce is the president of women's voice and she joins us tonight. tammy cometh to be totally clear i'm not impugning the character of this woman. we actually have a mutual friend is that she is a very good person and i believe that she believes what she's saying. but i don't know if that means it's right or accurate. but what bothers me is a political use to which the story has been put right now. it seems very hypocritical. >> that's it. in hearings, we still don't know and that is what makes it appealing to the democrats. for me as an advocate for women, i care about the nature of the fight that's gone on for generations to have women be taken seriously about sexual violence with strangers or acquaintances or loved ones. and yet, this kind of politicizing of an event like this as it's alleged, really makes a mockery of all of our experiences as women when we have encountered that kind of situation.he so that it is my concern. >> tucker: can you pause right there? how does it make a mockery of that? >> we have been told, or at least we were dismissed before when we complained about domestic violence or the way we were treated in a society that suggests of course through pornography and other means that we were to be abused. that our role in society is limited. or we were to be abused of the pleasure of man or other peoplee or if we don't perform properly, we pay the price for that. we have said, we are better than that. we have the right to be treated well, we want a legal system that listens to our complaints and we are serious, these are serious issues that have been to all women across the board. it's not a partisan issue, it affects us. so when we say we want to be taken seriously, it's because we want justice.n and then allegations come forward specifically to harm someone to be used in a matter to ruin them personally, to ruin their career and their personal reputation. and it's outside of the justicei system. it's not about the accuser being taken seriously and the accused having rights as well, because that is the only way that we are treated fairly. so we are actually saying, everyone who is saying that women can't be trusted and women are going to usein accusations against us, that comes back into play. none of us deserve this. we want this to be a fair dynamic. and your outline put it perfectly. this is about a political dynamic. there is only one agenda. and for me it's a political character assassination and it's a shame that she's in this position and that we are, and certainly judge kavanaugh is, we all deserve better. i think one way to stop this from continuing as to confirm judge kavanaugh. we have this dynamic of knowing him and his history as an adult, and we can't allow allegations that can't be proven to derail this kind of dynamic when we have all of these other elements in place. >> tucker: sure.o very quickly, wouldn't it be nice to have a real debate about the constitution and how the supreme court interprets it, rather than have an endless series of debates about the moral character of this nominee to that for the other thing? >> this is a good example of the difference between what the conservatives want which is a view of the constitution and with the supreme court is wanting to do and, and they are putting them through the star chamber. they want you to have the feelings about what is going on. and, we gave credit to admit, she doesn't remember what happened, which year, how she got there or how she left, and she seems to be honest in those frameworks. about what she can remember and what she cannot. but the fact is, with the wayem it's been handled from the start of the senator feinstein, it was meant to simply be a political hatchet job. it is a shame that she will be put in that position. and for those of us who have experienced sexual violence or harassment or assault, we handle that with different ways in our lives. i'm not going to begrudge her for how she handled what she said happened to her, and when chuck schumer starts giving you a moral lecture, none of this is real. tammy, thank you. hillary clinton did not get elected in 2016, and you may not know this, they have not gotten over it. now she says america must scrap the entire system of government in response. t we will tell you what she says, next. ♪ ♪ ♪ no matter when you retire, your income doesn't have to. see how lincoln can help ensure you still have income every month of your retirement, guaranteed, at lincolnfinancial.com. ♪ ♪ they're the moderne stone age family. ♪ ♪ from the town of bedrock. ♪ meet george jetson. ♪ ♪ his boy elroy. with instant acceleration, electric cars are more fun to drive and more affordable than ever. electric cars are here. plug into the present. does it look like i'm done?yet? 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outcome of the election so now she demands that we change the constitution and write new rules that would ensure more democrats would win. out with the electoral college and in with california and new york in choosing the president, along with the tiny group of left-wing billionairele tech oligarchs who control our access to all news and information, like the hillary version of democracy and fewer people making decisions. other leading democrats seem to agree with this, and they agree that voters have too much power and voters are disgusting. watch as former attorney general eric holder who is now running for president suggests that trump supporters are apologists for slavery or something. watch. >> this make america great minds that is not only flawed but rooted in fear. and it favors an imagined past what time period do they want to wind the clock back to? what century, what decade? what year? certainly, it was not when people were enslaved, and certainly it was not when segregation was the law of the land. >> tucker: wow. and here is joe biden who by the way was a populace from pennsylvania at one point telling his audience that trump supporters are human garbage. watch this. >> these forces of intoleranceie remain determined this time they, not you, have an ally in the white house. this time they, have an ilife. they are american people and verlyn people.ou >> miss using the word of barrel length course. vote for us or you are the dregs of society. he advised bill and hillary's campaigns. is that a winning message? >> and they kind of learned that lesson in 16, talking about a certain class of people thatss didn't like being called names. the fact of the matter is, thist is a small percentage and he is referring presumably to the people of charlottesville who downtown called, fine people. >> tucker: >> he said, they want to -- they have an ally and the white house. people who like trump, they are the dregs of society. by the way, should he be calling anyone that? our use some snobbish patrician and the fact is when we talk this is joe from scranton. who is this guy? >> about this whole slavery notion, the only candidate i recall being asked a question, when was ray moore was there. >> he lost as a republican in alabama. >> exactly. >> i don't even know what he said, i could care less. do you really want to suggest that your fellow americans are for slavery? nobody is for slavery. but let's be real. it's a horrible thing to say about anybody. >> he's talking about this notion of making america great. america has been great and it will always get greater but, are we more great now than when blacks couldn't participate equally? >> tucker: nobody is saying that. is someone trying to return us to slavery? nobody is calling for return to slavery, no one is calling for ending universal suffrage.on these aren't issues being debated because nobody supports them. don't pretend that they do. >> if you ask donald trump, do you think you could give a straight answer to the question, when do you think america was great? what you think is answer will be? he will point to a decade when blacks and and women didn't have the rights that they have now. >> nobody is contesting those rights or doing anything but celebrating those rights. you can make the case and i have made it. the country was the best when thero middle class was the largt and it's an economic argument. the most prosperous. but demagogues, people like eric hoover are saying things like, we want slavery. it scares people. it is totally false. it is totally irresponsible, why do that? >> i think what holder is saying is trump needs another, which in this case was this mythical decade when america was great and he's going to restore that. the problem is he's going to restore it at the expense of the rights that have been earned. >> tucker: he makes it a racist thing. he should really be ashamed to say something like that. but i made my point. you hear in better democrats, the democracy is in peril. trump has outspent 2-1 and almost every rich person voted against trump, almost everyone in power dislikes trump. maybe the energy sector liked him. but anyone, anyway, because voters like him. that is democracy, is it not? >> democracy is more purely, they get the outcome that they want to, they vote for it. >> this notion that he wants to get new york and california, we will have to agree that when the founders came up with it, it was not representative. >> tucker: i cannot speak for the founders. you always want an electoral majority. but he didn't have one and bill clinton didn't have one and, isn't it true that this is what democracy looks like? it's when people who don't have the power still retain their power of the ballot. they elect the guy they want. that is democracy! no? >> it's still an issue t here, which is, if more people voted for hillary, it does trump get off saying that the people elected me to do x? no.ery more people voted for her. if they had jill sign and a portion of everybody else, she actually had more than 50 for her point of view. so donald trump, i think you're doing quite well for someone who got 46% of the vote. >> tucker: don't you think it is actually a threat to our system itself, two years and to call into question publicly, every single day for two years, the the legitimacy of the outcome? one actually contests that in e our system under trump, it one. >> i think it sticks in their craw about russia and call me on voter suppression. but nobody honestly says he didn't win, he got more votes in the states in which he didn't win. democrats really are not contesting that. >> tucker: >> the group was a higher frequency than the groups that were not suppressed. that's not true. >> it's true in the sense that more would have voted. life is not a controlled experiment. >> the fact of the matter is, bring any voter expert, there are efforts underway to suppress votes. >> tucker: the voter experts, there's never 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protect the public. recently the show inside edition try to investigate the crime wave and here's what happened. >> visa bonnie and clyde want to wannabes stroll up and peer inside our car. he tries to bust out the front window with a glass puncher but it doesn't break so he goes for the back window. and -- >> 30 goes, he just broken. >> first he grabs her purse and tosses it to his female accomplice. he reaches back in and struggle to pull out the big speaker. time to activate our youth gps unit. the chase is on. >> he went down there. >> we finally catch up to them at the subway entrance. >> this is lisa guerrero from inside edition, you have our speaker right there, he broke into our car. you're going to want to get that back. >> i'm just going to call my mother. >> you should call your mother.n >> the purses in this area -- here it is. the purses in the trash can. >> unbelievably come when we were inside conducting the interview, thieves came out here and broke into our crew truck. they stole thousands of dollars worth of our equipment so we actually got hit twice in one day. >> tucker: unbelievable. >> this is a candidate for san francisco and he joins us tonight. joe, you are from there but our viewers may not know that these crimes took place not in somein obscure periphery but in san francisco in broad daylight. one of the most famous squares. how does this happen and why does nobody stop it? >> it was closer to 40 or 45,000 which is 100 per day. it is not unusual for this to happen. what they do as they come from out of town because they know they are not going to be prosecuted. then they also target areas such as the painted ladies here and other areas like north beach end. 39 where they had tourists because tourists wants a ground for the prosecution. it makes it harder on thero even when you have cases like this. it is absolutely horrible. it is not uncommon. we shouldn't be having people take in law enforcement into their own hands and with this lady did was extremely dangerous. in the circumstance of thean individuals that broke into herr car -- >> you mean -- the cops >> tucker: the city is not doing anything. why shouldn't people take the law into their old hands? >> while the police department,w the prosecutor's office, theyen are the ones that should be doing this. in the instance where individuals broke into her car and jumped into another car, there are rules that the police commission has set where the police department cannot chase. you can break into a place but as soon as you get into a vehicle, they are ordered not to chase. >> i'm confused. >> tucker: typically, the laws in the city, state or country are written to protect normal people. taxpayers, people with families, people who aren't bothering anyone and these laws seem to be written to help criminals. why is that? >> that particular law was written to prevent high-speed chases in high urban areas. what we should be doing is taking a look at laws that were well intended, and the problem in san francisco -- and this is true throughout the country. when you attack a progressive law, you are attacking what is seen as an attack of progressive. as opposed to being a leader and taking a leadership position. and this is the real problem, when we see faults in our ideal -- progressive ideals, we should be correcting them and going back and saying, this isn't making sense, it's not working. put some metric behind it. but we are not doing that. >> tucker: what do the supervisors in san francisco think when there is a passed out junkie and a mugger, did they think this is working very well? >> are homeless department isn't working well and we are building these large institutions that aren't really based on any kind of success metrics. we should not be and stepping over those individuals, and i have proposed even at the fire department that we do something about the mental health emergencies that are happening on our street, because if you call 911, and you have a broken arm or you have been shot, we will show up to up leave that emergency.av but if you are having a mental health emergency, we currently don't have a protocol to deal with that. and we really need to address that problem. >> tucker: >> i don't know if you have kids but if you don't put up with something, you will have less of it. then you will find out when they get older, cities that put up with this in the cities that don't put up nonsense get a lot of it. with it and don't get any of its has that occurred? >> gavin newsom who is running for governor recently said, we shouldn't be spending more money on homelessness in san francisco. this is a regional problem. this is a man for years worked really hard on the homeless problem. and put a dent in it. and he's absolutely right about that. >> tucker: you are >> that guy -- look at the city not allowed to plug that guy. he leftt behind. >> we worked really hard with gavin newsom on the homeless problem in san francisco. >> tucker: [laughs] >> tucker: he is right on that one thing. >> is a regional problem. >> tucker: joe, thanks very much. the rest of us are waiting to hear more evidence in the brett kavanaugh story, but famous people in l.a. don't wait for evidence. they are out on twitter, convicting. mark steyn joins us to discuss that, next. ♪ ns for new insurance instead? for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise their rates because of their first accident. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ stay at la quinta. where we're changing with stylish make-overs. then at your next meeting, set your seat height to its maximum level. bravo, tall meeting man. start winning today. book now at lq.com start winning today. ♪ lean on me, when you're not strong ♪ ♪ and i'll be your friend ♪ ♪ i'll help you carry on ♪ ♪ lean on me. ♪ >> tucker: the president has ordered the declassification of a number of documents close to the center of the russian investigation. fairly soon, as soon as tomorrow we will get a very close look at why these decisions were made. we can see for ourselves. mark steyn is joining us tonight. what do you think we will learn? >> i think we will learn in terms of profitable because, carter page for example. the united states government had absolutely nothing to go one other than something that is basically t a cooked up a dossir by a man who is a foreign spy. the fisa applications if you look at what is redacted, everyone thinks there's all kinds of interesting stuff in there but most see it's just a boilerplate form that you have to fill in to get the application. it's just box checking which is a lot about the stupid paperwork is. when you actually look at the main section of probable cause that carter page is a russian spy, they explained that, you know, russia is a sovereign state. the capital city is moscow, they've been spying on americans since the end of the second world war, and if you actually take the justification that theo have for spying on an american citizen, it's absolutely minimal. and if that's confirmed tomorrow, whether they are conservative or liberal, ought to be mad about that. >> tucker: you just have to be an american i think. you don't have to be a trump supporter. so you've probably been on twitter all day and seen that the famous community has already decided what they think of brett kavanaugh. actor rob delaney writes, male g.o.p. senators, huge opportunity for you to present you give a [bleep] about women. be the ben sasse, bob corker and jeff first to vote on kavanaugh. flake, one of you soft pieces of [bleep] should grab this once in a career opportunity. but let me ask you, do we live in a world where anybody cares what these people think? >> oh, come on, tucker. if you at wherever on the debate society at school and did model u.n., you know that calling people a soft piece of [bleep] is dispositive in an argument, it is ruthless, forensic, logic. it is utterly persuasive. it's right up there with calling your political opponent supporters the dregs of society. that is the way this guys are doing it. this guy, rob delaney, it's interesting to me how i am a drag of society. i don't know whether you can be i don't know whether you can be a singular drag, but i am. i'm always interested to know how high up thest drags go to te hollywood guys. one of these people who are madd about it, jeffrey light who played felix in the bond movies a couple years back, he says christine ford will now face of barbaric republican wrath and also lifelong ostracizing bike kavanaugh's suburban maryland seersucker and dock siders country club set. you were wearing dockside you are probably wearing a airs tonight, tucker. seersucker suit under that phony suit you have on top of it. so the dregs of society includes people in seersucker suits. hollywood elite, it would be much easier for joe biden and eric holder and the hollywood crowd to make a list of people who are qualified to opine and 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tack and got this response from the home state crowd. >> he obstructed justice and then hired an attorney general to clean up the crime scene. we need to begin impeachment proceedings and we need [ inaudible ]. >> it seems clear that democratic house leadership is on a very different page from the base of the party and at this point nearly every top tier 2020 democratic candidate. yesterday on this very show the house's third ranking democrat, congressman james clyburn, reflected the pelosi point of view. >> let's continue to do what we're doing, let's continue to do the investigations, let's have the hearings, let's build the public support, let's do what is necessary to bring the public along and then we may reach the time to launch the impeachment inquiries. i don't think we're there yet. >> joining me now is democratic congressman jamie raskin of maryland. thank you so much for being with us this morning. >> i'm delighted to be with you, joy. >> thank you. let's talk about what's going on in the house, you can give me inside scoop of what's going on inside the caucus. we now know that more than 50 members of the house democratic caucus are now calling for the impeachment of the president, some of those names ayanna pressley, ted lue, paul castro, alexandria ocasio-cortez. do they reflect a majority opinion in the caucus at this point or are they still a minority opinion? >> i think that list you just showed us of people calling for an impeachment inquiry and i'm glad that you made that mistake because we need to distinguish between articles of impeachment which are the final indictment when the house decides this person has committed high crimes and misdemeanors and we spend send it over to the senate for a hearing. i think there is growing sentiment for an impeachment investigation, i think that's the process we will be engaged in over the next couple weeks, to hear from everybody. we have a big caucus, we got 9.5 million more votes than the republicans did in 2018, we have 235 members of the caucus and we're from oklahoma and maine and california and florida and, you know, all over the country. so we need to be hearing from people as they go back to their districts. that's where everybody is right now, back in their districts talking to people, getting that kind of feedback that you just showed right there, joe i. >> that's an important point, that you're going to have now these members go back to their districts, whether they are in purplish red districts or in blue districts. you saw the very big difference between the two californians, speaker nancy pelosi and kamala harris on the issue of impeachment. you heard that crowd so you can see at least in that audience people were very much on the side of, as you said, opening an impeachment inquiry. inside of the minds of democrats in the house, is it more about what would be the fate of purple and red state democrats if an impeachment inquiry were opened, or is it more about a sense that congress is being flagrantly defied by the president? >> well, i think you're right to point out that difference between senator harris and speaker pelosi. senator harris, i think, very much was speaking for california there and speaker pelosi is trying to speak for the whole country and where the country is in this process of understanding what an impeachment inquiry is and how it fits into what we've got to do. look, the politics of it are ultimately inn skrutable and indeterminate. we don't know. some people say if you move to impeachment inquiry that's going to help the president, some people say on the contrary, if you don't you're going to d demoralize our base and we are going to look like we don't know what we stand for. i think the politics there are confused which ultimately is the reason why i think most members i'm talking to are saying we've got to base it on the law. we've got to base it on the constitution. and what we're looking at is a special counsel report which details 11 different episodes of presidential obstruction of justice which he has handed over to the house of representatives. now, we've got delayed for two months because of interference of attorney general barr who did everything he could to distort and misstate the findings, which is what provoked special counsel mueller to write two letters of protest and have that press conference that he did last week. but i think that we're now back on track here. he has turned over all of this evidence of potential high crimes and misdemeanor and we have to decide what to do with it >> on the issue of bringing the public along which we heard from congressman clyburn and we keep hearing from nancy pelosi. here is the latest data. this is a cnn poll. they did not ask, to your point, about an impeachment inquiry and maybe that is a challenge with the way the media is presenting this to the public because i think when you ask people should donald trump be impeached in their mind they mean removed, right? so thinking of it that way, should be impeached is at 41, against impeachment is 54%. do you think part of the challenge here -- sorry, among democrats. look at among democrats it's overwhelming, should be impeached 76%, that's up from 69% just in april and against impeachment over 18% of democrats. it's clear, i think, with all the polls where the democratic party base stands on this. >> yes. >> is the challenge with everyone else that people automatically marry impeachment to removal and not impeachment inquiry, impeachment to a trial and a sanction? >> yes, well, look, the democrats, you're right, pretty much know where we are on this. you know, with he see donald trump as a one man white collar crime wave and, you know, it goes way beyond what's in the phillip mena, of course, we have seen defiant categorical obstruction of congress and contempt of congress in ordering all of his subordinates not to comply with our subpoenas, not to testify, not to turn over documents. that's outrageous. the democrats are very upset about the people lieu ments clause and that is collecting money from saudi arabia and the chinese government and the different trump hotels and enterprises. so meme are aware of what's going on. your point is right, there are a number of distinctions that have to be made, one is between an impeachment inquiry and articles of impeachment. actually, we looked at it historically. most impeachment inquiries have not led to the rendering of impeachment articles in the final analysis. so it's not a formalist i can distinction there. it's not empty, that's a real dis inks it. the other thing is people do believe as you suggested, joy, that just because you impeach the president somehow he's gone. no. remember, bill clinton was impeached by the house of representatives, it went to the senate and the senate failed to convict by the requisite two-thirds majority. it still has to go over to the senate. i do think that in our party a lot of people are desperate about the situation with this lawless and corrupt president, but we can't see impeachment as a panacea. we need to make the policy progress despite the obstructionism of mitch mcconnell in the senate. we passed great legislation to lower prescription drug prices, we're trying to guarantee preexisting coverage condition, we're trying to abolish gerrymandering and guarantee the right to vote. with he want to do all of that stuff at the same time we're holding the president responsible. >> none of that is going to go through the senate. mitch mcconnell has made it clear it's massive resistance he's doing now. >> yeah. >> whether it's an impeachment or whether it's healthcare legislation, mitch mcconnell won't let even a democratic president put a judge on the supreme court, justice on the supreme court. none of those bills are going to go through. given that and given the fact that it's a highly unlikely that very many heroes exist in the republican caucus who are going to do what justin amash has done and turn on this president, i wonder if the democratic caucus is having the discussion about impeachment merely as a sanction on this president. jeremy peters was on david gura's show and his reporting is that all of this talk about donald trump wanting to be impeached and goading people to impeach him isn't true. donald trump doesn't want to be impeached, he would be embarrassed, it would be humiliating, it would be a huge spectacle as it played out on television. donald trump doesn't want that at all. has the caucus discussed the fact that impeaching donald trump and not removing him and making mike pence president which i don't think anybody on the democratic side wants, but just sanctioning him with the stamp of impeachment, not just an inquiry, but doing the actual thing would be the biggest punishment that the house could levee on donald trump, whether or not he's removed? >> there's something to that but we have to remember impeachment is not about crime and punishment, this is something that mueller today understood. the president could still be prosecuted after he leaves office for these counts of -- clear counts of interfering with an ongoing criminal investigation and with the prosecutors. impeachment is about cleansing the office, it's about removing a president from office when he is engaged in a pattern of behavior that undermines the constitutional norms of society. the problem is that trump is continuing to do that every single day when he obstructs the ability of congress to get to evidence that we're asking for and to pursue our fact-finding function. when he ear gates to himself the right to engage in a war in yemen with saudi arabia when a majority of both houses of congress has said, no, we declare war and we don't want to be involved in that bloody humanitarian catastrophe in the yemenis civil war. so this is taking place in realtime every single day. i think we have avenue got to enlarge the picture so we understand how the lawlessness and corruption of this presidency is contaminating everything that's going on in our country. that's what makes it meaningful. when people understand that the president is a threat to our environment, he is a threat to our healthcare, he is a threat to taking care that all of the laws are being faithfully executed. that's his core job and he's not doing it. >> but impeachment is also -- when you talk with local prosecutors, for instance, and this he do corruption prosecutions of a corrupt mayor or city council person it's also about stopping the corruption in progress. i've talked to prosecutors that part of it is a sanction to stop the corruption from happening as it's happening. in the case of andrew johnson the impeachment of andrew johnson also failed, he was not removed, we survived by one vote. >> in the senate. >> right, the senate is who does the trail. also his behavior was curbed, his attempts to reverse reconstruction were really brought to a halt and he was not able -- he did not stand for reelection and we wound up with a president who at least tried to implement the goals of reconstruction, ulysses grant. in the case of bill clinton it rendered him unusable to al gore which got the republicans -- even though they didn't effect the removal of bill clinton, what they got was the white house. what they got was george w. bush elected. so there is a curative effect of impeachment that stands apart from removal, no? >> i totally agree with that and we have to think about the future both the near term future and the long term future. what are the precedence being set when the president converts the presidency into a money making operation for himself, his family and businesses and we just allow it. the emoluments clause is in the constitution to say that the president must have complete undivided loyalty to the american people, not to the saudi government and the united arab emirates and the chinese and turks and so on. we don't want the president to be working for foreign interests. we need a meticulous scrupulous accounting of all the money that has been spent at the trump hotel, trump office building to foreign governments and we need the president to come to congress to ask for a consent. he can't keep a penny of it. we found presidents bringing things like a persian rug to congress saying can i accept this. cuff links, can i accept that. well, this president is accepting hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars and making a few token payments without ever coming to congress. it's not acceptable and we have to hold him to account for that. >> you know how you could do that, congressman, you could impeach the president and put him on trial. you just made i think the most succinct argument for an i impeachment of this president today. if you want to collect all of the things that donald trump is doing that you and other democrats consider to be abrogation of the constitution would not put him on trial? >> i agree that an impeachment inquiry will force a logical rigger and discipline to what we're doing so we don't just have 5,000 investigations to all of the corruption because trump is obviously all over the map, but it will folk -- it will force us to focus on what are the things that reach a constitutional dimension, what are things like treason, bribery, obstruction of justice that are crimes against our character of government against the constitution itself. >> congress jamie raskin, thank you very much. thank you so much for your time this morning. >> thanks for having me, joy. coming up, lindsey graham forgets that a thing called videotape exists. that's next. thing called videotape exists that's next. 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how did the republican party distend from the moral heights of there gorbachev tear down this wall to this apologist sewer filled with the weak trying to reassure the weaker that weakness is a virtue? for the first time in american history we have meticulously detailed evidence that a hostile foreign power attempted to influence the choice of an american commander in chief and the collective republican response is apparently our side won, move on. is there any sense of embarrassment among republicans now that they are being called out by other republicans that they have essentially said that russia interfered but it doesn't matter because our side won, we're sticking with trump? >> no and i think part of the problem obviously, joy, is that most republicans in congress, most members of congress for that matter, haven't actually read the phillip mena. but if we just look at the reaction that came after justin amash spoke out and said based on my reading, my careful reading of the phillip mena omu over the last month i do believe this president should be impeached we can tell that the tide of opinion in the republican party has not turned at all in favor of holding this president accountable for the alleged obstruction of justice and, of course, his campaigns many contacts with russia during the campaign. i think it was kevin mccarthy came out and just attacked justin amash. he now has a primary challenger. there were just scathing remarks and attempts to drive him out of the freedom caucus, for example. >> you mean kevin mccarthy who was once quoted as saying he thinks putin pays several people including donald trump? >> that's the one, yeah. so there's clearly an awareness, i think, that the president had inappropriate contacts with russians during the campaign, that he obviously did commit, you know, obstruction of justice because mueller, of course, said if we had confidence he did not commit a crime we would have said so. they did not say so. ergo you can conclude that the prosecutors believe that he did commit that crime. however, the overall thinking here is that they can ride this out, especially because democrats do not appear to be, you know, poised to launch impeachment proceedings as long as nancy pelosi stays where she is. >> let's come to this because, joyce, the point is that they haven't read the report. republicans for the rule of law is going to deliver copies of the mueller report to every single member of congress. i want to play you -- lindsey graham was supposed to be on some sunday shows this morning, we are not sure why he was not. let's play 1998 and 1999 lindsey graham and when he was talking about impeaching a democratic president. >> let it be said that any president who cheats or institutions shall be impeached. >> he doesn't have to say go lie for me to be a crime. you don't have to say let's obstruct justice for it to be a crime. you judge people on their conduct not magic phrases. >> if you term that he committed the crime of perjury and you determine that he committed the crime of obstruction of justice, based on the president of the senate i think you would have a hard time saying under the situation in this case that that's not a high crime. >> so lindsey graham -- he has a television presumably even if it's always on fox news, congressman raskin just laid out all kinds of things donald trump is doing, the possibility he was leaving up and down, the value of his buildings to make more money, profiting off the presidency, all kinds of things that a lindsey graham from 1998 might have thought it was impeachable if trump was a democrat. if the democrats don't want to impeach and the republicans don't seem to care whether high crimes and misdemeanor happened. >> i miss that old lindsey graham, the lindsey graham that said the president didn't have to commit a crime, it was about ens cling the office, upholding the integrity of the presidency. that's the conversation we have to have. the mueller report is long, difficult to read, it's 488 some paejs, but there has to be a national focus on educating people and speaking to folks who don't have the time because they have busy daily lives to understand all of it. if people understood, though, i think the country would move forward and we could have a conversation about what comes next that we are not having right now. >> it is a television culture. people don't necessarily read the book, they get the audio book and they watch the television version of a book that becomes a movie. senator richard blumenthal made that point last night. >> whatever our minor differences, our common goal is holding the president accountable and we should begin hearings right away. call them whatever you'd like, an impeachment inquiry, an oversight inquiry. most americans will never read that 450-page report. they are not going to read the book. they need to see the movie robert mueller is that movie. >> the democrats need to let people see the movie and this hemming and hawing over whether or not to launch an impeachment inquiry and what to call it seems to be beside the point. >> that's exactly right. listen, when you have the truth on your side you might as well rock it, right? this report came out about four, five weeks ago. democrats have been in the position to take the narrative, you know, take the bull by the horns, frame the issue and take that narrative. i've been saying this on twitter for the past week. even before you get to impeachment at least inform the american public of what is in that report and why it's so bad. the fact that mueller outlined ten different instances not two, not four, not eight, ten different instances in which they believed that this president has obstructed justice is huge. >> yeah. >> and i think if the american public understood that, i don't understand why the democrats aren't at the very least informing the public, cut a one minute video, put it on facebook, youtube, twitter, every single platform, instagram, all the stuff that the kids are into these days, put it on t-shirts, put it wherever it is that you have to do it so at least the american populous is informed and then perhaps you will see those impeachment numbers start to change. >> start to change. >> because at the end of the day leadership in my opinion means leader. you ought to take the charge. you ought to be the ones setting the tone, you ought to be the ones setting the standard and you don't see that with the democrat i can it party. when i watch them, when i heard them talk, leadership, i don't feel like i should follow. >> the thing is, natasha, that you heard of the chairman of the democratic national committee who was on earlier with david gura saying it's the job of the american people to replace the president, apparently not the president, it's the people's job. the democratic 2020 candidates seem to be on the page, the principal candidates, they're leading rhetorically on the idea of impeachment and one of the congressional reasons for not doing it is they are claiming it's a trap, that donald trump wants to be impeached. let me let you listen to what "the new york times" jeremy peters had to say this morning about that very idea that trump wants to be impeached. >> having spoken to people who have spoken directly to the president about this i can tell you he does not want to be impeached. the reason you might find amusing, it's bad for his brand, but he's right about that. >> he went on to say that it would be a spectacle, a television spectacle. o.j. trial style basically. in your reporting is that accurate, is that this -- that the real ruse is republicans claiming that trump wants to be impeached? >> of course. it's been a strategy from the very beginning and anyone who says otherwise doesn't have any remote understanding of basic psychology. i mean, the president seems determined to convince democrats that he really -- this will be really good for his base. this will really rile them up, this will allow him to get reelected in 2020. on the other hand he is showing his true colors and his true feelings when he's speaking to reporters off the cuff saying impeachment is a dirty, guilty word. this is someone who is clearly really afraid of how impeachment would mark him and would brand him for the rest of his life. >> is impeachment -- i'm sorry, we are quickly out of time. is impeachment in your mind, i will ask both of the attorneys at the table -- is it only about removal or is it also a sanction? >> it is a sanction and it's about educating the public. part of the problem with this presidency is that trump has done so much that's so unacceptable it's hard to encapsulate it. that's why he doesn't want his witnesses to comply with subpoenas to appear on capitol hill. democrats have to find a new way to get that evidence out. >> and the question i think for a lot of people would the only victory for democrats be making mike pence president or would it be i'm peeking president trump and have him going into history as a impeached president. >> it would be following the rule of law and the constitution. to answer your question, impeachment is a sanction and it's removal. you may not get removal, but you get the sanction which is precisely what the constitution sets forth. last i checked no one is above the law. >> yeah. >> and this is a country of law and order. >> very few people who don't have it as a class assignment can state all 45 president of the united states but you can name the ones who were impeached. thank you very much. med win will be next in our next hour. coming up 2020 presidential candidate and montana governor steve bullock, he said that he could win back states who voted for trump in 2016. i will ask him how he plans to do that when the governor joins me next. t when the governor joi me next. ♪ limu emu & doug what do all these people have in common, limu? 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anything in response i will show your poll numbers. let's put the pull numbers up. >> thanks for having me for sure, joy. >> you are polling around in the 1% range, which is low, but it's actually no lower than much more prominent nationally known united states senators, the governor -- former governor ever colorado, kirsten gillibrand, the senator from new york. you are in that tier with other people, julian castro, michael bennet and others. you wrote in an op-ed in "usa today" which i think came out a week ago, you said your unique selling proposition is you could win back some of the united states that donald trump won. you said i'm the only democrat in this race who has won a state donald trump won. if democrats want someone who can win back iowa, pennsylvania, michigan. try someone who has won wisconsmontana three times. why would you be a better nominano, ma'am nominee that someone who could run -- >> my legislature just ended. i needed to be here to make sure that 10% of our population got healthcare, we froze college tuition, many other things. i think that i am a candidate that can both win in places that we lost but also bring out the democrats all across the country that we need along the way. not only to win, but to govern. my legislature i have more vetoes than any governor in the history of montana, but we passed progressive policies like healthcare, like language immersion for native americans, like record investments in public education and getting rid of dark money from our elections. so i think we need to be able to win for sure. i have the qualities and characteristics that could. donald trump took montana by 20 points. i won by 4. we need to win back those places. but we also need to make sure that we can bring all democrats out and i think i have what it would take. >> let's talk about that just a little bit because i know dark money is like your big issue so i want to give you time to talk about that. your state is not super diverse, it's got a native american population that's about 6.7%, a white population that's 89% and african-american population very small 0.6%. what would be your pitch, for instance, in south carolina to those voters who don't know you and for whom you don't have a huge history of representing them in governing? >> sure. yeah, and i recognize that certainly i'm not a person of color, wasn't raised in a community of color, but i think that there is a lot that we can do. i had a fair shot growing up in america and in montana, actually, doing better than my parents. certainly acknowledge that for a lot of people that shot no longer exists. a lot of communities it no longer does. when you look at the disparities, the challenges, there is no reason that the average african-american family makes only $40,000 a year. well, if you are a nonwhite -- or a white nonhispanic, $68,000. when you look at the health disparities, which we've worked on a lot, the fact that 70% of hispanics don't get the same prenatal care as white nonhispanics. when you look at criminal justice issues, which we've done a lot of work here as well, significant disparities. so what i will do is what i've done in other areas, i will show up, i will listen more than i talk and i will take action recognizing that there is significant both historical and contemporary injustices that have led many of our communities and communities of color they have held them back. >> let's talk about your core issue. you open your op-ed by saying two obstacles stand in the way of america being the land of the free, the divisive presidency of the droufr and corrupting influence of big money and politics. what would you want to do about that, the latter issue, the big money issue? >> you bet. i was attorney general when the citizens united came up. i think i've done more to fight the corrupting influences of dark money than anyone else in this field. you look at trump tax cuts, senator graham said we have to do this to make our donors happy. we talk about the climate crisis. republicans can't even acknowledge that climate change is real because ultimately the donors say that, you know, it's too important for their petroleum companies and others. what i would do and what i've done in montana, we actually kicked dark money, undisclosed money out of our elections for the last 90 days. it makes elections about people. first day as president what i would do is sign the same executive order i signed here in montana that said if you want to contract with the federal government, you have to disclose every single dollar and ways that you're trying to impact our elections. think about it, the u.s. government contracts with dang near every single company in the nation. at the end of the day if our elected officials are going to be like nascar, labels all over, bought and paid for, we need to at least start by throwing who is doing the buying. >> somebody who grew up in denver, colorado, you get an a plus for saying dang. i said that growing up. let's talk about these tariffs. what are those tariffs doing to a state like montana, you have cattle and agricultural interests. what are tariffs doing to your constituents? >> we have a lot of producers and all of a sudden the producers aren't getting the markets this they need. payments from the u.s. gept department of agriculture is not going to change that. i was talking to last week a farmer in iowa he's lost $147,000 this year alone. $70,000 might come from the federal government paying t but we are also going to lose those markets. it's more than just our producers. every american household could pay more than $2,000 a year in goods just when you deal with china. then you look at mexico. most of the maltene barley that makes the mexican beer comes from montana. we have a humanitarian crisis but you don't use tariffs to think you will be able to address that. >> what about impeachment, it's a huge issue among the democratic base. do you think donald trump should be impeached? >> i think this president is normalized things that we should never ever allow. look, we were attacked in 2016, our elections were attacked and the best that the president could say is he took putin by his word. now, i think that this is a moving target. we need to make sure that congress has the opportunity to fully exercise its constitutional obligation to investigate, oversee the executive branch but we forget also that the executive branch has that constitutional obligation to respond and actually be responsive to congress. >> but should the impeachment be impeachment? >> well, i think the full investigation should be occurring and that's where we need to be going right now. >> okay. >> i will tell you that we need to hold this president accountable, but also in a dozen different stops in two weeks in iowa people brought up the fact that they're losing their doctor, they don't have markets, they don't have a decent job or that shot at opportunity. >> yeah. >> or a trillion dollars of stock buy backs last year. that's what i was hearing. >> quickly before we run out of time. would you consider if you don't make it on to the presidential final stage running for senate because that's up in montana as well? >> yeah, and, you know, we are going to have some great candidates for u.s. senate here, i think ones that can win. i will do everything i can to support them, but for me this was never a sort of either/or. i think i have a lot to offer in both how i win and how i govern. my whole time i've been an executive that's what i'm focusing on. >> it's great to talk to you. thank you very much. really appreciate your time. steve bullock, governor of montana. good luck with your campaign. >> thanks so much for having me on this morning, joy. coming up, a look at director duvernay's devastating four-part series on the central park five. that's next. four-part series on park five. that's next. when crabe stronger...strong, with new nicorette 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now is the president of color of change. rashad, i had the opportunity and the blessing to be with you at the center for a screening of the first two parts of the series. it's devastating, very hard to watch. why is it important for people to watch it anyway? >> it shows all the different ways that the system and the incentive structure are set up to put people in harm's way. to not deliver safety and to not deliver justice. and we have to tune in to these things but more than tuning in to them we have to take the anger and outrage and translate it into real action. >> one of the most infuriating things about watching it, because when i was here in new york when it happened -- i moved here when i was 17 and i was a young person in new york at that time. but we didn't know all the details of their lives. we just knew how horrible it was and dangerous it was. watching the police trick those boys, trick their parents, throw them out of the rooms, beat up on those boys and then the 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republicans, either. >> in new york city the prosecutor's office is run by democrats. we have to take out in many of these places, places like st. louis, philadelphia, places like dallas, to take out bad prosecutors and put people in office that will respect black lives. it is an ongoing struggle. we are at the beginning and part of the process is changing the way they do business, they are not transparent. they do not treat kids as kids. they do not deal with bail and other issues. they create a system where it is not about delivering justice but about getting convictions no matter what. and that is why we need to deal with the police. we need to deal with the profiteers, with the prosecutors, and so if you're angry and you're outraged after seeing this, help us win justice. >> we have to deal with the press, too, can we show this ad of donald trump in 1989. he paid no price for this. if you see the movie you will see these are babies, the two little ones are little, adorable babies. 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at the time only women with present on stage along with senator harris, the two moderators were stephanie valencia and one of our own, who is on a plane and could not join us today. as you can see for almost 15 seconds she and other women were the winds who had to defuse an intense situation clearly an invasion of women's space. the protesters was pulled from the stage by several men including senator harris' husband. the protesters has been identified as ayden cook with lois beckett of "the guardian" tweeting, i asked if he considered the optics of literally taking the microphone away from women of color. i did, he said. i tried to show my profound respect for each of the people on stage. okay. hmm, invading women's space and snatching a mic are signs of respect, said no person ever. a different take describing cook's actions as the literal embodiment of entitled egotism. you were there. tell us how this unfolded and were there protests against anyone else? >> there weren't many protests against anyone else. being in the room it was a scene that happened in slow motion. it felt like it was happening in slow motion. you heard before anyone reached the stage people say, hey, what are you doing? what's going on? most people looked up, saw the gentleman jump on the stage. the stage was about five feet high so an easy jump to get on the stage and he slowly approached senator harris. you see the video, you see the moment that took a long time then for security to come off and escort senator harris off and carry the gentleman off. her husband jumped on stage as well. when i talked to people in the room it was a moment that put a lot of fear in their hearts. one, it was a clear security breach. for a person to get to senator harris, there was a lot of concern. there was genuine fear over what was going on and confusion over exactly what was happening. >> were you able to tell if the man we see pulling him off stage -- one is not a security person, it's her husband, doug, who seems to be physically pulling the man off stage. was there any security anywhere nearby? >> the gentleman in the black blazer with the seemingly t-shirt under is her husband. he took his time before he got on stage in a way that he was letting security -- it seemed he was letting security do their thing, but it just took a while to get this protester off stage and that's when her husband jumped on and tried to help escort the gentleman off. it was unclear where security was or who, in fact, was security. as you mentioned the two moderators were the people separating themselves and blocking the protesters from senator harris before any security got there. i'll say to get into the venue for the regular spectator, it required security, credentials. there were only about 300 move-on members there. it was a big ideas forum, an event that they have regularly. it took a long time for security to come and escort senator harris off and some concern about that although there was security for people to get into the room. >> thank goodness there were some magnetometers before they got in. i appreciate you. thank you all for being here. we did reach out to the audience, to senator harris for a response from the campaign. we did not hear back as of yet. we did get a response from moveon. they tweet this had last night. we sincerely regret that a protesters was able to gain access to the stage at our forum today and we apologize to senator kamala harris. the protesters was removed and the program resumed. moveon members were excited to hear harris continue to discuss her big ideas to achieve pay equity. to you, jonathan, first. these forums are typically pretty well screened out. does it surprise you there was not more security and that she had to jump up and bodily put herself between the senator and this protesters and that the husband doug had to takes take care of it. >> thank god for karine. why did it take so long for security to jump into action? as for her husband doug, knowing both of them and knowing doug, i wonder how far he was sitting from the stage. he jumped into action as fast as he could. as he tweeted on yesterday he would do anything for her. to see him jump on the stage is when i knew how serious that moment was for senator harris and for him. she wasn't playing. >> the freeze frame, he was like you're going to get away from my wife. karine jean-pierre, we can sort of joke about she should be hired to be the head of the secret service or something. there is a genuine security issue here, that you would have an event that has the only woman of color running for president of the united states, women, three women on that stage. the idea there wasn't more security i guess people assumed. here is cory booker responding on cnn talking about the incident last night. oh, it's a tweet. cory booker says about this incident i'm really hoping that we see secret service and others begin to step in because that would have been a horrified moment. kamala is like a sister to me. the camaraderie is quite nice. he makes a good point. why isn't there secret service for these guys? >> secret service doesn't normally start pairing up with the candidates unless there's a threat or once they become the nominee. i think it is inexcusable there would not be someone at the sta stage. that is putting the onus on the candidate this is an american campaign like we have to secure a ballot box. this is an affront to her, our democracy and the dnc has to get together with secret service and figure out what they're going to do about this. >> the same group has done this before. the same group disrupted a bernie sanders event in may of 2016. he was a part of that. it's not as if this is a group unknown to stage these kind of protests. does it surprise you there wasn't a more proactive security protocol? >> the most unprotected person in america is the black woman. malcolm x said that. it was true then and it's true now. i find it ironic this is the manner in which this person chose to protest particularly when we talk about protesting in america and our rights to do that and claim he was being respectful when you have colin kaepernick who has protested silently without disturbing anything and people wanted to say it was the worst thing in the world. the idea he would think that this is the best way to protest by reaching up and grabbing a mic out of a sitting united states senator who as everyone has said should have been protected is ironic. i want to point out what i think is important here how quickly karine jean-pierre reacted. you're not going to do this, not today. >> in a cute dress and heels. she jumped right up. she was incredible. she shouldn't have had to do that. >> she was like, not today. >> not at all. tiffany, a lot of tweets. we're going to put up some of them. a lot of african-american journalists are tweeting about this. one of our legal correspondents has been tweeting about it. i want to read what adrian lawrence, an author, what she tweeted this morning. and she said as i watch and rewatch the footage of the man rushing kamala harris on stage i'm reminded of all the times since white men have unapologetically disregarded my personal space as if the rules of civility don't apply to them or as i wasn't a whole person deserving of respect. i want to let you comment. >> what i tweeted was we wish karine had been there when donald trump had invaded hillary clinton's space in the debate. i hope people see this video, women and young girls, as the opportunity to take agency over your body, over your space and let people know when they're making you uncomfortable. we're making a lot of jokes and certainly karine, hats off to her. this could have been really dangerous. why we have security protection for candidates. it was in 1968 when robert f. kennedy was assassinated. the president was lyndon b. johnson who said we have to provide security and protection. thankfully senator harris was not hurt but this could have been extremely dangerous. her husband douglas emhoff, a few moents ago, some time last year protesters confronted senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. he was with his wife getting in their car. protesters confronted them. senator mcconnell got in the car. his wife was left outside of the car by herself playing the role of doug emhoff, leave my husband alone. you look at the juxtaposition, one of these are about it and it was not senator mitch mcconnell this is a very dangerous situation. we've had other candidates have issues. senator cory booker was the recipient was several death threats recently. the secret service arrested a man last month. mayor pete buttigieg was confronted by a homophobic protesters dressed as jesus who got within feet of him. these are dangerous times. we have a lot of hateful rhetoric coming from the top. this needs to be taken seriously. i'm moderating a conversation with the dnc next weekend in atlanta and i emailed them, fyi, i'm not karine. i will be hiding behind the people. let's make sure we have good security in atlanta next month. >> i think that was an important point made. it was june in california robert f. kennedy -- you can comment on it, jonathan. that is a very eerie juxtaposition when you think about it. sirhan sirhan was able to get that close that long ago and nothing appreciably has changed about the level of fear or the level of protocol in terms of protecting these candidates with so many women running. >> and given the tenor antone of the times in which we live when we have a president of the united states who is fanning and creating an atmosphere of menace around the country. this was a moveon.org conference, a pro-animal rights protester so we're not talking about a right wing extremist. this was somebody who rushed the stage. there was no security. tiffany brought up the assassination of robert f. kennedy, we are still facing a situation where candidates are in danger. let's not 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>> for example, that's none of your business. >> isn't it the business of your donors? >> he made that airplane so cheap for me i couldn't help but buy it. >> couldn't help but buy it, wow. okay. reporter lisa guerrero's "inside edition" interview with kenneth copeland was conducted last month. we played it for you just now so you can get a sense of who he is. just this week we learned kenneth copeland signed his name to a list of conservative evangelical leaders calling for today to be a national day of prayer. for donald trump. you know who is leading the call to prayer? here he is, this guy, franklin graham. absolutely nothing wrong with donald trump's immoral and unethical behavior and went so far as to call on democratic presidential candidate pete buttigieg to repent for being gay. a religious reform activist and author of why i am an atheist who believes in god. and jonathan capehart is back with me as well. he bought tyler perry's plane. he can't fly commercial because of demons on the plane. he lives a luxurious lifestyle on the backs of the people who donate in his churches. he is now the guy that is part of leading this call to prayer with franklin graham. your thoughts? >> i come from an evangelical background. in the '70s and '80s i knew these guys. i grew up with franklin graham. he used to visit our house. we go way back. you have to look at franklin and copeland and these other people as opportunist who is are out for power, out for money, and they are the same sort of con artists when it gets to their basic genetic structure. they understand each other. so when you look at what franklin is doing this is a fund-raising opportunity for him, period. these, quote, days of prayer are nothing more than that. the same thing with copeland. they are about the money, the private jets, all these little perks and that includes a lot of people on the trump team including his press secretary and lawyer. the amazing thing is when they also asked pete buttigieg to repent, when you look at the quality of his christianity, if two lines were forming and one looks like religion and the other like a theme park, he's the man with the authentic christ like demeanor, the kindness, reaching out, the compassion, the religious tolerance and the rest of it. it's a triple irony. that's where we're at. religion is a fiasco when it gets to big buck evangelicals, and this is just the latest manifestation of that. these are flakes. >> the wing that has tyler perry's plane because he can't fly commercial and that does seem to be focused on the luxurious lifestyle of being a pastor, let me just play you because you were at the 92nd street y. you asked mayor buttigieg about this condemnation calling on him to repent. >> what would you say to the franklin grahams of the world, the mike pences of the world who have an issue with the lgbtq community? >> i guess i would say that we all have a lot to repent for. i have a lot to repent for when it comes to my marriage. moments i've not been as caring as i should be, moments i've been selfish. moments i've said a harsh word that i wish i could take back. but one thing i absolutely should not be repentant for in the context of my marriage is the fact that i'm in love with my husband. >> does it strike you as irony, he has only had one marriage, right, and these leaders disdain the one marriage but don't have a problem with donald trump's treatment of his previous wives. they just don't have a problem of it. >> they're willfully blind. i'm glad you played that clip. that is a visual manifestation of what he was talking about on the stage listening to mayor pete say those words. i don't know if you could feel the intense energy coming through the screen, but sitting just feet from him as he said those words. i could see the emotion on his face was pretty incredible. this is a person who is certainly comfortable in his own skin, proud of his husband, proud of their marriage, proud that they were able to get married, they are embarking upon this incredible journey together but proud of the fact that he is a believer. he is a christian and he is not running away from his faith. he talks about it all the time. and he's not willing to ignore nor will he cede the ground of religion to the republican party, to conservatives and certainly to so-called evangelicals like franklin graham and all of these other folks who are living in the lap of luxury and buying private planes and casting judgment on other people's lives while he is living out the true tenets of his beliefs. >> and, frank, you do have evangelicals of not this sort, people like bishop barber, where they are going to call on the nation to return to prayer for the moral health of the country. that's happening on wednesday. inside of this sort of world of evangelical christianity, is there a tension between the ones who care about kids in cages and the ones who just want to follow donald trump or has the trump version subhumed it? >> evangelicals who are more progressive unite in not only opposing donald trump but the kind of compassionate christianity that is revolted by children in cages, by the overt racism and the call to white nationalism. sadly that is not the trump voter and i think this brings up a point that needs to be made even if it's offensive. the white christian community that voted for trump is no longer a christian community as a bloc. they have voted for a man that not only denies the basic teaches of jesus christ but a man who has turned their former religion into a cult. they no longer see president trump as a political figure judged like other political figures. they're doing not only days of prayer for him but saying he has been brought by god to america to save america in order to do everything from recognizing the american embassy so jesus can come back to closing down every abortion clinic and making women's choice go back into the 1950s, not even 1960s and the '70s. this is a program of authentic theocracy that is far more like trump's friends, the saudi arabians than with anything traditional about american religion even back to the colony here in massachusetts where i'm sitting. >> it is a watershed moment, i will put it that way for those of us who grew up in the church. frank schaefer, thank you, jonathan capehart, thank you both so much and have a wonderful sunday. coming up, lessons from the nixon era that might help democrats free themselves from the paralysis of analysis next. this is the ocean. just listen. 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[ screaming ] not cool. last night the house judiciary committee approved an article of impeachment against the president of the united states. the charge was obstruction of justice. the committee vote was 27-11. the 27 who favored impeachment included all of the committee's 1 democrats and six republicans. >> republicans voting to impeach a republican president, something that seems unthinkable today. although democrats had majorities in both chambers of congress, house ma jord ljority understood they had to get support. and had to have credibility and an aura of impartialialty. joining me now is former watergate prosecutor, elizabeth holtzman who voted to impeach nixon and the author of "the case for impeaching trump." and a former assistant watergate prosecutor. thank you all for being here. during the break you were talking about that vote to impeach nixon. >> the smoking gun tape hadn't come out. >> that's amazing. >> that rich order nixon ordered the cover-up. that persuaded not only six republicans, and we had seven on the next article of impeachment but persuaded all of the southern democrats whose districts were even more pro-nixon than many of the republicans. the fact we had all the democrats didn't mean that was an easy thing. what persuaded them before the vote and the southern democrats was the overwhelming evidence that existed. >> we have current democratic leadership arguing that it would endanger the democratic members who are in pro-trump districts if they were to proceed even with an inquiry. they're worried about that and worried no republicans would come over. you seem to be saying that in the case of nixon they're misremembering history. >> correct, or maybe they don't remember the history or don't know it. the fact of the matter is that southern democrats who had very pro-nixon districts, maybe even more pro-nixon voted for the impeachment. it was a very courageous act on their part. well, i shouldn't say courageous because they were re-elected. nobody suffered defeat but all of the southern democrats voted with us. and we had six republicans in the first article. and, by the way, not only did we have such an important bipartisan vote but the political outcome of the impeachment inquiry into richard nixon and the three articles of impeachment we voted for resulted in totally surprisingly a huge democratic landslide. we did it right. the american people respected what we did. they thought we protected the constitution. >> what was it that was so compelling that i did not know this before, the smoking gun tape hadn't even come out. >> i think what was so compelling is that you had both houses of congress controlled by the democrats and gaining in the spring of 1973 right after archibald cox was appointed you had television hearings where this came out. by the time it was june or july of '73 they had been involved in the watergate break-in, heard the testimony of dean and knew president nixon had ordered hush money be paid to the watergate burglars. the only question was would you believe john dean? and then, lo and behold, the tapes come out. we learn from alex butterfield in the same hearings there was a taping system richard nixon put into the white house in order to tape conversations, which turned out to be a big tax dodge, ironically, but at any rate those tapes rob rated to almost to the word what john dean had testified to in a public hearing and the public knew that. the politics was completely different because the whole story was out and the problem we're experiencing now we have a 400-page report that has just as much material in it incriminating, the crimes explained and the use of social media. the problem is the democrats somehow have to take that material and put it before the american public so people understand the scope and dangerousness of the behavior that is set out in the report. >> one of the most important words you heard was television. the reality is in the case of watergate the facts played out in a television drama and there was no report people then had to get and download and get hold of and read. in this case what does seem to be missing is the narrative being laid out by the democrats. would you agree with that? >> there were the senate hearings and in those senate hearings we heard live witnesses to facts. it wasn't a summary by mueller. it was the actual witnesses so the same as if don mcgann testified, if cory le yi le yy f they would clear obstruction. it needs to be done in a form that america will understand which is through television and donald trump understands that, that's why he's fighting so hard and trying to continue the obstruction right now in plain sight by trying to prevent us from getting that information. it's very important people see the evidence live. even if we read the mueller report out loud as has been suggested, and it's not a bad idea, it's not the same as hearing the witnesses and judging their credibility. that's really the key is public hearings televised. >> elizabeth, are you surprised that democrats have not proceeded to that? there is no senate committee that's going to do what the watergate committee, which was in the senate, that's not going to happen here. democrats in the house could do those hearings tomorrow. >> of course. and part of the problem is i think they were waiting for the mueller report to bail them out here, to tell the whole story and to persuade the american people. mueller didn't do, in my opinion, the job that he should have done which is to reach a conclusion as to whether crimes were committed by the president of the united states. that's why we have a special prosecutor to find out if the occupant of the white house is a criminal. that's the key. he didn't draw that conclusion because he felt he couldn't do that for reasons that i don't agree with. the democrats, again, we talked about this before, don't really remember what happened in watergate. they think about starr and the starr report. we department have a report. we had to get the facts -- we had a grand jury report. that's what we got. the senate committee told the american people through live witnesses, democrats need to understand that their responsibility now is to get that truth out and then, i believe, there will be the public support to start an inquiry into impeachment. >> when the democrats think of donald trump they recall nixon. when they think about themselves and the politics they think about clinton. leadership on the republican side lost their place. the republicans actually made out quite well the other thing that is very different now this case has an attorney general. >> he had a three or four week jump by giving an interpretation that was 100% false. no collusion. the report shows there was plenty of collusion. >> they've been able to say no collusion for four weeks. >> in fact what it really says there was not enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt donald trump or anybody else committed conspiracy. if you look at the footnotes, clearly one of the reasons they couldn't charge anybody with trafficking the stolen property was because our own laws are outdated. they don't include computer data. you also have a very interesting entry about somebody they were considering charging with actually the hacking, breaking and entering. there was somebody they were considering charging and they didn't. that part is redacted. there are three buckets of criminality, one, the obstruction of justice, two, the break into the democratic national committee and, three, the use of social media to suppress the clinton vote. all of that has to be explained. there are reasons why charges weren't brought. >> very quickly before we go, because all of that -- all those people could be called in hearings have to be called impeachment hearings, could they just say let's launch the trump-gate hearings and do that monday? >> yes. you are right. it doesn't have to be called impeachment hearings. it can be called anything. that's just a semantic difference. i think it's really important that we go ahead with those and hearing it in plain english. i think that was mueller's big fault was not speaking in plain english. >> i'm told we have to go. what is your pin? >> a meditating buddha, i'm sending good vibes to all of america for compassion and peace and to a special set of friends going through a difficult time. >> i need a pin book for me. we need to get on this. i need a whole book about your pins. they are amazing. thank you all. and next up who won the week. the week it's been a long time since andrew dusted off his dancing shoes. luckily denture breath will be the least of his worries. because he uses polident 4 in 1 cleaning system to kill 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. polident. clean. fresh. and confident. of odor causing bacteria. it made her d my mom feel proud.esults, they saw us, they recognized us. ancestry specifically showed the regions that my family was from. the state of jalisco. the city of guadalajara. the results were a reflection of our family and the results were really human. i feel proud about my identity. new features. greater details. richer stories. get your dna kit today at ancestry.com. now time for my guests to tell me who won the week. back with me, tiffany cross, where do i begin? tiffany. >> oh my god, eava duvernay, she's a compassionate human being. you just think of all the other nameless and face less boy. i know things happen. people who look like us and talk about it. you think of the 53% of white women who voted for this president, you think of police who did not have such a happy ending, you wonder where is the compassion for everybody. ava did a wonderful job as she always does. she won the week, bravo, ava and thank you for bringing all your passion and creativity and beauty to this story. >> it is very tough to watch but it is brilliant, beautifully cast and done. jennifer ruben. >> i have another film, this is actually a video put together by republicans for the rules of law, protect democracy. a non-partisan dprgroup that's n suing donald trump since he got into office. this is an explanation of what is in the mueller report. this should be a gold stand for the house. they need to explain what's in the report and not fight over who's going to testify over the report. i think they can fill those seats with prosecutors who have said this is a crime, they need to explain it to the american people and i do agree with winesbank that public opinion will shift. >> it is a five-minute video, by prosecutors and all republicans. why are republicans are not doing a better job explaining what impeachment will look like. i don't understand. those can all be witnesses. call them. let's go to our closer. this is difficult now. >> i think karine jean-pierre won the week. she literally told the god, not today. >> wakanda forever. it is incredible. >> she was fearless. she won the week. >> her instinct was so smart. karine jean-pierre is amazing. >> patience, too. >> hey, baby! listen, i have a hard time picking, all of those won the week as well. i have to make mine, i have to shout out to the spelling be winners. the national spelling bee ran out difficult words. they had to award all these students. aaron howard of alabama. the 12-year-old from flower mound, texas. and rohan, 13 of urban, texas. all of those words, they stumped the questioner, they won the week. thank you, jennifer ruben and tiffany cross. i can pronounce those names perfectly. more "am joy" after the break. r. introducing miracle-gro's next big thing: performance organics. this new organic collection of soil and plant food is what you've always wanted. no compromise. twice the results. guaranteed. miracle-gro performance organics. at comcast, we didn't build the nation's largest gig-speed network just to make businesses run faster. we built it to help them go beyond. because beyond risk... welcome to the neighborhood, guys. there is reward. ♪ ♪ beyond work and life... who else could he be? there is the moment. beyond technology... there is human ingenuity. ♪ ♪ every day, comcast business is helping businesses go beyond the expected, to do the extraordinary. take your business beyond. thanks for watching, "am joy" will be back tomorrow. throw it over to alex. it is black music month which was awesome but it is also caribbean heritage month. >> what? >> it is today, too. i had to get that in. >> jean-pierre, wakanda, she's amazing >> she's amazing and she got up there instantly. all right, my friend, have a good day. 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome everyone to alex witt. heated debate whether it is about politics than