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What s&p has done, i think, has given us the first solid crlue that the financial markets are not so sanguine. i think thats an important warning. secondly, s&p also importantly pointed out that other countries that have debts as large as ours, like britain, france, they have plans in maplace to get th under control. we do not. >> greg, you said this is a reminder -- they didnt lower our credit rating, its a warning they could. and you were pointing out to me off-air that japan -- they did this ...