gives you a command, please exit the car, you should say yes, officer, no officer, okay, officer. yes, officer. joining me now is retired nypd detective mark claxton, leader of the black law enforcement alliance. we have been reporting on this. we just walked through both what s wrong with it and what might be a path to better policing. your thoughts, sir? well, i mean, you pointed out brilliantly over the past week or so about the just the hypocrisy that some people coming from privileged positions have when they are instructing others to simply and merely comply, and in reality, it s really a subjective instruction, and it s based on too often, just like other aspects of law enforcement or criminal justice, it s too often race-based. but it s clearly subjective and it clearly ties into some of the discussions around privilege
comply. as one police group put it. comply don t die. the idea is citizens must simply comply with law enforcement demands completely. do it first, no questions, deal with any potential objections later. we have been covering this issue on the beat as well as the hypocrisy of some of these voices cheering donald trump when he does not comply with subpoenas, so he got searched much to his consternation, tonight, a voice to go deeper on this very topic. mark claxton heads the black law enforcement alliance and is our special guest. mr. claxton is here to cut through the noise in a few moments. right now i want to give you just a few more facts. the voices people heard were lecturing people to comply when even innocent people have been injured or killed. meanwhile, trump and his aides had months to comply, and they
mariano on administrative leave, lieutenant parkas was the acting chief in the city of uvalde on the day of the shooting. let s go to our panel ford reaction on all these developments. jim kavanaugh, msnbc terrorism contributor and retired atf special agent in charge. mark claxton, retired nypd detective and director of the black enforcement lights alliance. gentlemen, great to have you with us. jim, we knew it was going to be bad. we did not imagine it would be this bad. the report that came out today is worse than i think most of us anticipated. your reaction to this preliminary report? well, i think you re right, and good to see you by the way. it s terrible. it invites the system and law enforcement. certainly school leaders for not having those doors locked. sloppy security. there is many people to blame. i do think we have to be careful, because some of the
what was happening in those critical moments. gentlemen, we re going to continue this conversation later on. jim kavanaugh, mark claxton, thank you very much for your insights. still ahead, the supreme court s conservative majority is destroying the separation between church and state. we will tell you about that in just a sec. between church and state between church and state we will tell youas. - llamas. so save money shopping back to school on amazon. you sure that s not a camel? yeah. whatever you say. just a sec just a sec
i was going to say, i remember early on the governor of texas greg abbott said this could have been a lot worse had the police not responded the way they did. i can t imagine it being any worse now that we ve gotten these reports and learned about what was happening in those critical moments. gentlemen, we re going to continue this conversation later on, jim cavanaugh, mark claxton, gentlemen, thank you both very much for your insights. still ahead, the supreme court s conservative majority is destroying the separation between church and state. we will tell you about that in just a second. will tell you abn just a second.