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known falsehoods. tony perkins, the leader of the family research council has repeatedly and falsely said on national television and elsewhere that we list their group because they oppose homosexuality. they believe homosexuality is a sin and because they oppose same-sex marriage. as perkins knows, that is not true. we criticize them and have listed them as a hate group since 2010 because they put out information like the absolutely false claim that gay men molest children at vastly higher rates than straight men. >> mark, we're going to end it on that note. >> they are depicting gay people as incestuous, evil, perverted and a danger to our nation and so on. we think we're fully within our rights to call them what they are, a hate group. certainly we are not in favor of any violence. >> yeah, i got you. >> tore violence that occurred at frc. >> he's the author of the report. worth looking at that report,
there, texas has 62, florida has 59, georgia has 53 and new jersey has 51. you say -- mark says this is ideology not necessarily violence. you don't agree with that. >> well, i just don't think you should criminalize dissent. there are a lot of crazy people in the country. i get callers who believe all those things on my radio show that mark has talked about. we in fact once a month we do conspiracy day whenever it's a full moon and all the conspiracyists can call in. some of these people have very strange ideas, but to say this is some kind of rising tide of danger and to cite a thousand groups, i mean talking about some of the groups that he cites, it's really problematic for me. one of the things in the press release from the southern poverty law center was a lot of this is because we have a black president. one of the groups they list on their map of hate is the nation of islam. i'm not a louis farrakhan fan by
john avlon is cnn contributor and author of "wing nuts, how the lunatic fringe is hijacking america" which is a suitable title for our discussion tonight. thanks to all of you. mark, let me start with you. you are the author of the report. it focuses on so-called patriot groups which you describe as conspiracy-minded anti-government and on the radical right. in 2012, you looked at 1360 so-called patriot groups on the radical right, an increase of 813% sce 2008 right before president obama took office. but lots of questions are coming up today about how you define these groups. give me some sense of how you define these patriot extremist right wing groups. >> sure, ali. what the groups are are the very same groups that we all used to call the militia groups back in the 1990s.
or violence or an assessment along those lines. >> mike, i want to ask you, according to the southern poverty law center, the majority of the groups are california, texas, 62, georgia, 53, new jersey, 51. mark says this is ideology, not necessarily violence. you don't agree with that? >> i get crazy things on my radio show that mark is talking about. we do conspiracy day. now, some of these people have very strange ideas and to say that this is a rising tide of danger, talking about some of the groups that he cites, it's really problematic for me.
within our rights to call them what they are, a hate group. certainly we are not in favor of any violence, let alone the violence that occurred. >> thanks, mark. michael and john. we'll be right back. i know you got to go in a minute but this is a real quick meal, that's perfect for two! campbell's chunky beef with country vegetables, poured over rice! [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it fills you up right. up high! ok. don't you have any usefull apps on that thing? who do you think i am, quicken loans? ♪ at quicken loans, our amazingly useful mortgage calculator app allows you to quickly calculate your mortgage payment based on today's incredibly low interest rates... right from your iphone or android smartphone. one more way quicken loans is engineered to amaze. ♪
one of the things was that we had this was because of a black president. now, i'm not a fan by any means but i don't think the nation of islam has been associated with an upsurge in violence and i don't think it's racist against a black president and i don't think it's good at all that mark included the family research and that led to an incident of violence. someone came in and shot a guard at the family research council. >> mark, you did say -- >> and he did say that he saw the name on your website. let me just hold on to that point for a second. let me bring in john. square the circle between what you described, what you've written about his wing nuts and violence. >> well, ali, look, i think what's important to realize is that this is not debating
can from developing its nuclear weapons program. they say the only way to move forward is to get north korea back to the table for dialogue with the international community. our fifth story "outfront," the rise of hate in america. oberland college in ohio suspended classes this week after a student reported seeing someone dressed in ku klux klan robes. it follows a string of recent hate incidents on campus. last august, a 40-year-old ex-soldier turned white supremacist rocker shot up a sikh temple in oak creek, wisconsin, killing six people. you remember that. a few weeks later, a group of georgia men were linked to an anti-government plot to assassinate president obama and it's all part of what the southern poverty law center says is a disturbing trend. a study says the number of anti-government groups are at an all-time high, many driven by the fear the government will strip them of their rights but do the findings add up? "outfront" tonight, mark potoch is author of the report and senior fellow at the law center.
someone dressed in ku klux klan robes. it follows a string of recent hate incidents on campus. last august, a 40-year-old ex-soldier turned white supremacist rocker shot up a sikh temple in oak creek, wisconsin, killing six people. you remember that. a few weeks later, a group of georgia men were linked to an anti-government plot to assassinate president obama and it's all part of what the southern poverty law center says is a disturbing trend. a study says the number of anti-government groups are at an all time high, many driven by the fear the government will strip them of their rights but do the findings add up? "outfront" tonight, mark potoch is author of the report and senior fellow at the law center. john avlon is cnn contributor and author of "wing nuts, how the lunatic fringe is hijacking america" which is a suitable title for our discussion tonight. thanks to all of you. mark, let me start with you.
or violence or an assessment along those lines. >> mike, i want to ask you, according to the southern poverty law center, the majority of the groups are california, texas, 62, georgia, 53, new jersey, 51. mark says this is ideology, not necessarily violence. you don't agree with that? >> i get crazy things on my radio show that mark is talking about. we do conspiracy day. now, some of these people have very strange ideas and to say that this is a rising tide of danger, talking about some of the groups that he cites, it's
do the findings add up? "outfront" tonight, mark potoch is author of the report and senior fellow at the law center. john avlon is cnn contributor and author of "wing nuts, how the lunatic fringe is hijacking america" which is a suitable title for our discussion tonight. thanks to all of you. mark, let me start with you. you are the author of the report. it focuses on so-called patriot groups which you describe as conspiracy-minded anti-government and on the radical right. in 2012, you looked at 1360 so-called patriot groups on the radical right, an increase of 813% since 2008 right before president obama took office. but lots of questions are coming up today about how you define these groups. give me some sense of how you define these patriot extremist right wing groups. >> sure, ali. what the groups are are the very same groups that we all used to call the militia groups back in