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Consequences but using this language, if you call me a fag, thats fine, i can brush that off but that contributes to the society looking at gay people in a certain way. when you talk about something in terms of institutionally it gets more dangerous. >> do you think, though, charles blow, was alec baldwin really being homophobic, he didnt know the sexuality of this guy or was he being angry and defensive with the first thing that came into his head, which i suspect is the case. >> like i said be...

Not allowed to be a certain way. lets get jonathan martin out of his shell. maybe his shell is his personality. right? you know, when a quarterback doesnt have a strong arm, you design short ethrows for him. when a linebacker cant go up the middle. what about a guy whose personality is i dont like to pay for you going to strip clubs and being fined for it. my job is to block terrell suggs. does this make me better at blocking terrell suggs. maybe the nfl is wasting assets on jonathan martin if y...

Dave said, this is toxic masculinity. this could be in the fifth grade or nfl. its the same type of masculinity thats very narrow in its form, very violent in my ways, its abusive in many ways. but its not just whats happening in the locker room. you have to look at the toxic masculinity in the collective voices of the nfl. im not talking about the league office here in new york, but all the announcers, all the former coaches and players who are all saying that jonathan martin should take this l...

Ever, that ive ever known, and both of them went on to have careers, professional careers, either as players or as coaches in football. and part of why they could be gentle and intellectual and community service oriented was was football gave them -- in other words, their masculinity was secure, because they were big ballplayers and so it gave them room to actually play around the edges of other things, because they didnt have anything to prove, because they had the football kind of covering, ri...

Questioned, so we could talk about mens issues of violence against women, about sexism and misogyny and people werent going to question our masculinity. they cant say, you just care about that because youre a gay man. >> why jay-z can come out for marriage equality, because hes married to beyonce. >> exactly. once youre in that locker room, it gets more and more boiled down to that really nasty form of masculinity. whos the toughest guy out there. so we were talking about, suck it up, take it li...

Be deemed wrong. >> vince warren and ari melber, thank you so much. and for much more on these types of issues, i want to direct you to an excellent article that ari haze written on former felonies and the barriers they face this trying to vote as part of the ongoinged "presumed guilty" series. you can find it on our website at msnbc.com. coming up next, the bullying allegations rocking the nf. we have a fantastic panel thats going to dig deep into the issues here. its sunday morning and we ar...

Texts, the incognito videos coming out of him in a bar, you know, being this big rough and tough guy. you just heard the sound bite. how are these miami players now coming out and supporting this guy, incognito? >> well, i think its very conflicted, very confused there. you know, ill say this. i have been in and around and nfl for 40 years. i do an awful lot of workshops in the nfl. every tieam has to have a playe conduct session. the thing that moves most players off the sports page to the crim...

That martin kid was a terrific football player and just didnt have the manifest what other people thought he needed to project in order to play on the field. >> let me quote you because you say this, you say what about the bystanders who knee, watch, and did anything? if this was happen, they all knew. seems theres a lack of courage and clarity by many on the team. you have been around pro football for decades. this isnt just players. this is coaches, possibly general managers. is this a miami p...

Is they wanted to know from -- if he thought there was a -- not an attack but -- assault, something on -- on masculinity and male sports going on in the country. i dont know if there is any question you dont put the nfl in pink for a month. basically the modern era feminism, thats what it is, is -- is a critique against masculinity. the chickification of everything is taking place. which what is that? what do you mean? it mean that feelings are triumphing over common sense. >> thats right. we wo...

Wonderful kind of set up with his family, his wife and his children and he enjoys the freedom and privileges that we all do, then he slips into a place where that is absolutely taken from him. hes no longer a person with anything and of course, this is kind of crushing to his sense of masculinity, but he also finds different ways of addressing that in a way. this is so much about a persons psychology and sanity and his ways of resistance, even survival becomes defiance at a certain point and tha...