assistance with the navigators and the new law signing up, it s a fact 17 states have made it harder or impossible for navigators to meet with people who need their help. according to the commonwealth fund. now, i m honored to be joined by someone who knows the facts better than anyone, it s iowa senator tom harkin, who is chairman of the senate health committee. nice to be with you, karen, thank you. so i want to start, you had quite a moment this week where, senator, you pointed out and helped to dispel one of the biggest complaints that we hear from conservatives or from those forces opposing the affordable care act with the excuse that they don t want to have to pay for maternity care costs. can you tell us a little about that? well, yeah. we heard, you know, some of the republicans were complaining they got one person who said, well, i ve got to pay maternity coverage, but my husband and i, we re too old, we re not having