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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:46:00

denlinger we ll never forget the moment he spoke to his contact at the crime lab. he says, that s your guy. he s the color? he s the killer. the lab reported that the scientific probability was 100 billion to one. that meant the dna from the crime scene belonged to jerry burns and not anyone else on earth. finally, it was the culmination of relentless decades long investigation. but denlinger was it ready to make an arrest. there were just too many questions that needed answers. it s time to go talk to him. he s not going to be ready. which is the best time to try to interview someone. so, on december 19th, 2018, denlinger headed back to manchester. he pulled up to burns a s place of business a little before noon.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:23:00

i didn t know what that meant. as stupid as that is to say, can i really go? for the moment, at least, kurt was in the clear. in fact, michelle brother-in-law s, john, already had someone else in mind for her murder. old boyfriend andy. he was he was very possessive after they broke up. he parked down the street sections when it was someone else. he drive fast around the block. so, i was pretty sure it was andy. if i can t have her, nobody can have her type of thing. sure enough, andy was brought in for questioning. matt denlinger and doug harrison understood why the

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:44:00

straw and it immediately goes to the state lab. they told us, hey, he is not your suspect. the next brother was donald. this brother donald, was a father of three and had five grandchildren. he lived in davenport, iowa, and was the manager of a lumber yards before retiring. went denlinger to his house and staked it out surreptitiously. the first time we corrected was out of the trash by the set by the curb. we found a toothbrush in there and collected some dna off of that. and what did the lab think about his genetic material? they said the same thing. he s not your guy? he s not your guy. it came down to the youngest brother, jerry burns, who like brother can t, worked lived and worked in manchester. denlinger did some intel on him. in 1979 he had two young kids. he lived in manchester. he sold farm implements. was in a bowling lead. so, these married with children, 9 to 5 guy? yeah.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:47:00

the door was open. denlinger walked in. a hidden camera recorded everything. hello. you have backup? a lot of backup. we had no good expectation or what to expect from him. what to expect from his behavior. what s in his desk or? yeah. correct. s camera was hidden in a travel mug. he introduced himself and set the mug down on burns s desk. he sits there and he s putting the shop cat, who s climbing all over the duster in the interview. we ve got cat here, ha? what s the cat s name? no. denlinger and it burns a business card and then got down to business. we re following up on an old case. it s a homicide that happened in westdale mall. then he described the computer sketch released to the public that was developed from dna found at the crime scene. he said someone called in with a chip and that s how burns s came up. that wasn t true. but denlinger wanted to see how he would react. that s the picture we created. it looks a lot different than i look here. i l

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