power? >> it is very serious and you have to just think about what it means. it's more like judge carter who said, it is more probable than not that trump and eastman committed a crime. it is more probable than that if this was an enemies list kind of action that it was a clear abuse of the presidency. now, what do you do about that? obviously, you would impeach for that, but he is not president, so you cannot impeach him because he is not an office right now. so then you have to look at what did he do and it's clear and abuse of the power of the president and probably an abuse that violates some criminal law that would be identified. so it's very serious and i don't believe it is coincidence that mccabe and comey were both subjected to this very serious audit, just randomly. if you believe that, then i
pat cipollone will sit down for a deposition with the january 6th committee tomorrow. will he help connect the dots? and the georgia prosecutor makes it clear if her investigation uncovers crimes committed by former president trump, he will be held accountable. we'll have her exclusive interview with nbc news. plus, two former fbi directors spurned by trump get swept up in highly invasive and rare tax audits that are supposed to be random. >> targeted? >> the odds on that daily double pretty extraordinary, really, for -- >> that's a coincidence. >> yeah, it was a special audit that very few americans got. but somehow, somehow, right after donald trump was upset with james comey and mccabe, both of them hit the daily
disingenuous, but here, this is a guy who tried to overthrow a democracy, not just lying about a party. by the way, it is larry the cat. people on twitter have been -- >> i thought it was barry. >> our social media correspondent walter isaacson. we're going to come back to the uk and london in a moment. we want to turn to the story we mentioned the top of the hour, fbi officials smeared by donald trump say they were selected for an extremely invasive irs edit under the former president's administration. former fbi director james comey and former deputy director andrew mccabe revealed they both faced, supposedly random audits of their 2017 and 2019 returns. according to the paper, the odds of being selected are about 1 in 19,000, even higher according to some people. at the time both audits
dramatically. we would have recognized the hoaxax for what it was a political smear inventedll by hillary clinton and funded and disseminatedar by her personally, by the way, as wells as her many confederate. the other thing we learned today that was so shocking is that by january of 2017, just as the new president is being sworn in , not only had the fbid completely knocked downow and debunked the phony dossier, but they realized this whole secret back channell, alpha bank communication was also a hoax. what had comey and mccabe and peter destructo did they come clean? es they gos to congress and say d we've shut downn, the investigation. it t was all a hoax. did they tell the truth to the american people? did they refute the endless stories by the media that claimed that trump was a russian asset? no, they kept quiet. they used it instead as a
hoax for what it was, a political smear invented by hillary clinton and funded and disseminated by her personally, by the way, as well as her many confederates. but the other thing we learned today that was so shocking is that by january of 2017, just as the new president is being sworn in, not only had the fbi completely knocked down and debunked the phony dossier, but they realized this whole secret back channel alpha bank communication was also a hoax. what did comey and mccabe and peter strzok do? did they come clean? did they come to congress and say we shut down the investigation, it was all a hoax? did they tell the truth to the american people? did they refute the endless stories by the media that claims that trump was a russian asset? no, they kept quiet, they used it instead as a pretext to
was hillary. i would have stopped right there. what is really crazy is. the seventh floor of the fbi was a aflutter. fired up about this server according to joseph pletka. he wrote internal message. mccabe and comey and all those on the seventh floor looked at this and said this is a great lead. >> so this reveals two things and they're related to each other. >> the first is just the shear deviousness of the clinton campaign which we now know the planting of this story, according to robby mook a senior clinton aide this went all the way up to hillary herself. by withholding sussmann's identity from federal authorities, they did a lot of damage, but the second thing and it's related, is the politicization and the breakdown inside the fbi. all the processes that should have prevented this from becoming, you know, a national psycho drama for four years,
i've spoken with carter page a number of times. he was spied on for a year by the fbi. no charges were ever brought down. what is the culpability for that? >> yeah. four or -- four fisa warrants, and i come up with the issue is sort of metastasized by the clinton campaign, and robby mook testified to this, that hillary clinton herself knew it, authorized it, and they leaked that false information to the media to try to gin up against -- attention against donald trump. so those two forces combined with the steele dossier to launch a dirty -- a up lawful fisa warrant. and that's some of the most damning testimony from this week. and it's got to go, as i said before, all roads lead to andy mcdecade -- mccabe, and the love birds concocting an insurance plan, and i think john durham knows what that insurance
we need a much larger uniform presence in the system to regain some sense of safety. otherwise, the subways are the lifeblood of new york city. that's how virtually 70% of the people get to work in new york. so if they're not going on the subway, it's going to be a big problem as far as new york rebounding from the pandemic. >> director mccabe, given that the shooter reportedly fired 33 times, 10 people were reported taken to the hospital with gunshot wounds. what does it say to you thus far there have been no fatalities, thankfully, reported from this attack? >> you know, john, that's a hard one to evaluate. i mean, obviously, an incredibly high degree of planning and premeditation goes into this attack. you know that from his very kind of careful way of boarding the train, putting on the mask,
deploying the smoke grenades, so from that perspective, he looks like a pretty almost a trained kind of very careful operator. on the other hand, he shoots 33 rounds, hits no one, and runs out of the train leaving behind his gun and what seems to be a ton of possibly significant forensic evidence. so that really mitigates against any sort of like high level of training or competence here. so 33 rounds and no lethal shots could just be a lack of training, a lack of familiarization. he may have been disoriented by the smoke and the commotion and everything else. but we'll have to see how that plays out. >> commissioner, director, thank you both so much for helping us understand what we're seeing tonight. next, a late update on the van connected to all this. we'll get a live report from the scene, and later, ukraine. president biden calling russian tactics there genocide for the first time, but whatever word you choose, there's new and
cover it. or you see crimes that won't be reported for political reasons, and when the system can't react and then the person in the middle, the citizen says i don't believe anymore. when you look at the cia, the fbi, the irs, the doj, the pentagon, these were once esteemed maybe not the irs buff they were once esteemed agencies. people no confidence in them anymore. that's what starts to unwind. when you look at what the career of a fauci, a millie, a clapper, a comey, a mccabe, people said these aren't the people that we trust. we're nor -- we used to love the government. now we fear the government. and so the government has lost credibility, morality, and we have got to restore it by all of these d.a.s have to prosecute crimes. you have to be arrested. you have to be indicted. if you are guilty, you have to serve your time to regain confidence and make it safe to be a human again. we are not humans anymore. we are just, i don't know, we are just tinker toys in some