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Its these -- these are the guys who dont like the middle class. these are the guys that are causing the shutdown. and you know what, if we default, you know who is going to hurt the most? the very people that mike roe is talking about. the middle class is going to get hurt. the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker, the welder, the electrician. all of those middle class guys. where do you think this economy is going to go if we dont pay our bills? im going to ask him in a moment. get your ce...