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although when we ran into these inmates in the prison yard, they were arguing... about rousseau and machiavelli. >> how do they reconcile each other, or do they? >> well, actually, they both come up with this ideology of what the natural state of man was really all about. [ticking] >> you want to go to college? >> much as it kills me, yes. >> when ed bradley met richar anozier in 2005, it was for a story about the harlem children's zone, an inner-city education program run by a remarkable man named geoffrey canada... >> good morning, boys and girls. >> and considered one of the most ambitious social experiments to alleviate poverty in our lifetime. >> if you work hard... >> but back then, there was no way to tell if the experiment was working. today the results are in, and they're nothing short of stunning. just ask richar anozier. do you know what college you want to go to? >> stanford. >> what do you want to do after stanford? >> i would like to earn my way to being a ceo. >> welcome to 60 minutes on cnbc. i'm bob simon. in this edition, we look at three groundbreaking approaches to education. first, we visit the seed public charter school, the nation's first urban public boarding school. later, we meet some unlikely students who are getting a liberal arts college degree behind bars. and finally, we go to the harlem children's zone under the leadership of geoffrey canada. we begin with seed, one of the most successful and innovative charter schools in the country. it was started in 1998 in southeast washington, d.c., where some of the nation's most troubled schools are located and where most students don't finish high school. but as byron pitts first reported in 2010, seed students are different. most graduate and go on to college. admission to seed is by lottery, open to any family in the district willing to take a chance. >> girl 41. >> yeah! >> this family was one of the few who won the lottery, a $35,000-per-year education paid for by private and government money. >> boy 12. >> yay! >> only 1/3 of the over 200 or so kids who applied heard their number called. with the child's future at stake, emotions ran high. >> 38. >> the grants were another family who won the chance to change their child's life. >> yeah! >> when that number was called, describe that feeling. >> it was just shocking. i didn't think that was gonna happen. listen, when he said "38," i didn't hear anything but joy. >> why does this mean so much to you? >> it's called opportunity. we've never had that before. so why not grab it if you can? here, you know, the sky is the limit. >> and how about you? got a big smile. is this good news? >> yes. >> seed is the brainchild of raj vinnakota and eric adler, two former businessmen who quit their jobs in 1997 to take an old idea and make it new. >> there's boarding schools for rich kids. why aren't there boarding schools for poor kids? the intense academic environment, the 24-hour aspect, and constant access to role models. why wouldn't all of those things be just as important for poor kids as it would be for rich kids? >> we believe very strongly that there is a group of kids for whom the answer is a 24-hour supportive educational environment. and they're not gonna have a shot if we don't give that to them. >> it all starts here. the seed campus is a four-acre oasis, a safe zone where 340 kids can focus on school free from distractions back at home. >> everyone has their own coordinate grid. >> seed's goal is to prepare these children academically and socially for college and beyond. the students enter in sixth and seventh grade, 90% of them performing below grade level. charles adams is the head of school. >> we are a public school, and we have a lottery. we get what we get. it could be an honor roll student. it could be a student three, four grade levels behind that's struggling with a number of issues at home. so we get the gamut. >> i was told you have kids who come here in the sixth grade reading at a second-grade level. >> mm-hmm. >> is that child going to college? >> why not? why not? i mean-- >> because they're way behind. because they don't read at a proper reading level. they're behind in math. they're behind in science. >> i'll take all of that. >> they're behind in reading. >> i'll take all of that. and they could be a pain in the neck. that's my starting point. >> and you think it's working? >> i know it's working. >> it's a 24-hour, 5-day-a-week job, which starts on sunday night when the kids check in from their weekends at home. >> hey, miss leach. >> how are you, sweetie? >> they live in single-sex dorms with strict rules: no television and no facebook. the days start early, 6:00 a.m., and classes run from 8:00 to 4:00. then there's study hall, extracurriculars, and tutoring. the day ends at 10:00. >> anthony, let's go. it's lights out. >> all right. >> this kind of structure and support is new to many of these students. >> okay, so this is the quad. >> what's also new is visiting college as early as middle school. these eighth graders went to see american university in washington, d.c. it's all part of reminding them of their end goal. listen to these juniors. show of hands if you're absolutely confident that you're "a," going to college, and "b," you're gonna graduate college. he's got both arms up, he's so... [laughter] he's so sure. >> seed imbeds college and success and commitment into our minds on a daily basis. it's, like, we build, and we live and we grow into scholars. >> scholars. now, did you have that confidence before you got here or-- >> no. >> no. what gave you that confidence? >> the teachers. >> so on the board, things that impressed you or a question you have or something. >> teachers put extra emphasis on the basics. unlike most schools, there are two periods of english and two periods of math per day in middle school. upperclassmen are required to read 45 minutes a day in addition to their homework. classes are small with 10 to 15 students. >> clearly, you see that there's a lot of dna inside of these strawberries. >> teachers like jawan harris know every student personally, their strengths and weaknesses. if a child is failing, how do you help him or her? >> we usually host tutorials after school. last week, i sent out an email saying, "5:00 until they get it." >> what time did they finally get it? >> i would say my last student was in here probably until about 10:45. >> 10:45. but what public school teacher in d.c. works till 10:45? >> i have no idea, but i know that when i leave this building, i'm walking past my principal's office, who's in her office talking to another student, and there's another teacher still in their office, so it happens often. >> that kind of dedication and personalized instruction has paid off. >> i'm awesome. [laughter] >> by 2012, tenth graders at seed were scoring 55% higher in reading and 40% higher in math compared to other minority students in their area. but seed isn't just about academics. there's a life skills curriculum taught in the evenings. >> the core values are respect, responsibility, integrity, self-discipline, and compassion. >> students learn social skills like self-discipline and etiquette. >> can anybody raise their hand and tell me why the skill of public speaking is important? >> it helps your self-confidence. >> definitely helps your self-confidence. good one. [ticking] >> coming up, the measure of success. >> what i think success is: it's kind of what you're like. you're smart, intelligent. you're a nice reporter. you dress nice. your shoes are pretty. and just that--knowing that you're gonna be something in life. >> you gonna make it? >> yes. >> more on the seed school when 60 minutes on cnbc continues. 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like, everyone has a story about somebody who helped them. >> and you're letting them hold on to your bootstraps, and you're helping to pull them up. >> i'm giving them everything i have. >> you get the sense seed is more of a calling than a job for people like poole. they don't simply have to raise a kid's test scores. they have to change their values. >> i think the average middle school student comes into seed and says, "i have to do two hours of homework? really? i have to tuck my shirt in all the time? really? i have to go to bed at 9:00 at night? i need to get eight hours' sleep? does it really take all of that just to be successful in school?" it takes all that. >> frances blackmon and melvin brown have learned that. >> are you guys happy, glad that you decided to come to seed? >> both: yes. >> do you think you'll stay here till you graduate? >> both: yes. >> you're certain of that? >> both: yes. >> why are you so certain? >> 'cause i know this is where i want to be, and this is where my future is gonna start. >> a whole new beginning of life. >> that's what seed is for you? >> mm-hmm. >> but you guys have long school days, right? >> yeah, we get out at 4:00. >> do you mind being at school that long? >> both: no. >> 'cause i'm getting more education into my brain. >> more education into your brain. >> when you're in class and you don't understand something, the teachers will take time out after school and during school to help, try to help you, and they, like, they show compassion for you. >> compassion for you. do you guys have any doubt that you're gonna be successful? >> no. >> no. >> and what does success look like? >> you're always supposed to believe in yourself. >> do you believe in yourself? >> yes. >> what i think success is: it's kind of what you're like. you're smart, intelligent. you're a nice reporter. you dress nice. your shoes are pretty. and just that--knowing that you're gonna be something in life. >> you gonna make it? >> yes. >> and then there are students like rojay ball who may not make it. he came here to escape his old neighborhood, where guns and gang violence are common. in 2009, in one turf battle, rojay was shot in the leg. weeks later, he was shot at again, but at seed, he says he feels safe. >> when i come here, i feel as though i can just be laid back without worrying about nobody having to attack me or say something wrong to me. >> someone could hurt you in that world. >> yeah. >> someone could kill you in that world. >> yeah. >> rojay ball. >> at seed, rojay's an athlete. he's a "b" student. teachers say he's not a troublemaker. yet his loyalty to his old neighborhood, his old friends runs deep. how many close friends do you have back at the neighborhood number-wise? >> around, like, ten. >> how many of those guys are going to college? >> i'd say none. >> a lot of people in your life feel like you're on the fence, that you could go this way and be successful, go to college, or you could go this way and end up someplace else. do you feel that at all? >> well, i always feel as though, like, i'm gonna graduate from college. when i come to seed, i'm in this world where as though i'm comfortable enough to focus in class, do my homework every day, like, and i'm prepared for college. but i'm just trying to escape that world, like, my outside world. but it's something that's right there that's just, like, holding me up, holding me back. >> can't let it go? >> i just can't. >> like a magnet, it pulls you back. >> mm-hmm, just like a magnet. >> you think rojay will graduate from here? >> oh, i do. oh, come on. i do. >> and he will go to college? >> i do. >> what makes you think rojay can be successful? i mean, this is a kid who's been shot, shot at. >> i don't think it's in me to not think they can be successful. he has some capacity building in front of him. but rojay still has hope, and he still has potential, and so i'd just as soon not give up on him until, you know, until he makes it and he can believe for himself. >> that's part of the success formula here: getting these kids to believe in themselves as much as you believe in them. >> we set high expectations. i think we push our students until they can own that, and they begin to set expectations for themselves. >> but some don't. seed loses 12% of their students every year. the reality is, you can't save everybody. >> the reality is that we're gonna work our darnedest to save everybody. >> we're not gonna give up on any child. we are gonna work to create an environment where every single child can succeed. in the end, have there been and will there be some children for whom the clock just runs out on us? sure, it happens. we'll never accept it. we will always work to make that not happen. >> seed's commitment to its students has brought them attention. president obama, who is looking for ways to improve inner-city schools, visited in 2009. >> this school is a true success story, a place where, for four of the last five years, every graduate from the seed school was admitted to college, every graduate. >> the class of 2009 was on track to do the same. with success like that, vinnakota and adler believe there should be a seed school in every major urban area. they opened a second boarding school in baltimore two years ago, and they're planning to open a third in cincinnati. the funding comes from a mixture of private donors who pay for start-up costs, including building the schools, and then government money pays for most of the operating costs. at every school, the goal is the same: a day like this one. >> i'm going to kent state university. >> connecticut college. >> winston-salem state university. >> kent state university. >> raise your hand if you're the first member of your family to go to college. >> in a single generation, families can not only produce a high school graduate but a college graduate, and that changes a family forever. and that's why we do what we do. >> many of seed's alumni now have degrees from colleges and universities all over the country, and the graduating class of 2012 is its biggest yet. most have been accepted into college. in 2011, ohio and florida passed legislation that will allow for public boarding schools in each state. seed hopes to open a school in cincinnati in 2013 and then in miami. and as for rojay ball, he left seed in 2011 and enrolled in another school in washington. [ticking] coming up, teaching 18th-century european history behind bars. did you have to make the course easier for the prisoners than you did for the students at bard? >> once i was there three weeks, i just made it harder. >> harder. >> yes. >> maximum security education when 60 minutes on cnbc returns. 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[ticking] >> it's been well-documented that one of the best ways to rehabilitate criminals is to educate them while they're in prison. but who wants to pay for prisoners to go to college when most people have trouble paying for their own kids' tuition? well, we found one college that does: bard, where a prestigious private college is offering liberal arts degrees to some inmates in new york state, and it doesn't cost taxpayers a cent. as we reported in 2007, it's not what you think goes on in a maximum security prison. [orchestral music]] [applause] it looks and sounds like an ordinary college graduation ceremony: the caps and gowns, the handing out of diplomas. [applause] but these men receiving their degrees from bard college will not be leaving to go out and make their mark on the world. >> this is an upside-down cake. we go, and you remain here. >> "here" is the eastern correctional facility, a maximum security prison in new york state. most of the men got here by committing violent crimes: assault, rape, and murder with sentences ranging from seven years to life. it's not the type of place you'd expect to walk into and find the inmates studying 18th-century european history. >> if you brought with you-- and i hope you did-- olympe de gouges' declaration of the rights of woman and the female citizen... >> the bard college program, which is privately funded, has been in this prison since 2001. the academics are tough. how much studying do you guys do? [laughter] >> maybe five or six hours a day outside of class. >> the classes they take change each semester. >> the fate of most dictators is that nobody wants to give them asylum. >> but what they have in common is that they're not practical courses. they're true liberal arts courses, like english, sociology, philosophy, and german. >> okay, sehr gut. >> that's right, german. >> berlin. >> [together] berlin. >> berlin. >> salih israel pushed for a german course because, he says, he wanted to be able to read german philosophers in their original language. >> i mean, you have hegel. you have marx. you have kant. a lot of those prevailing ideas, they're in german. >> you want to read hegel and kant in german? >> yes. >> es gibt ein millionen. >> salih israel, by the way, is serving 20 to 40 years for shooting a woman in the course of a robbery. >> it may be that the difference between a marshland and a wetland and a swamp is actually physical. >> what do you say to somebody who says you should be learning a trade, some vocational training, instead of all this philosophy? >> a vocational program might give you skills to have a job, but it's not gonna give you skills to have a life. >> joe bergamini is in prison because he took a life, his own mother's. >> "that thomas jefferson..." >> reshawn hughes shot and killed a man. he was far from being college material. how much education had you had before you were incarcerated? >> actually, i'd never read a book until i came to prison. >> you'd never read a book. >> never read a book. >> now he says he hopes to continue his education until he gets his phd. >> "to educate citizens about liberty." >> by 2007, wes caines had already served 17 years for taking part in a shoot-out in which one man was killed and another was seriously injured. he knows how lucky he is to be getting an elite education from bard. >> they made an investment in people that society had written off and people who even today feel that we shouldn't have this opportunity. >> not every prisoner gets the opportunity. only about 10% of the inmates who apply to the college program are accepted. prison life can be so routine and depressing, it's no wonder that these men jump at the chance to escape with their minds if not with their bodies. >> ahh! >> travis darshan dropped out of school when he was 14. when he was 17, he was arrested with two friends for robbing and killing a taxi driver. travis darshan never dreamed he'd get a college education. >> how did you feel when you got in? >> oh, i was elated. i was elated. it was--it was almost like they told me i was going home. >> wow. >> i really was. i felt like it was just a new chapter in my life, that it gave me a chance to start over. >> for these people locked up, this is just a psychological lifesaver, a string of hope, even if their release is 10, 5, 15, 20 years out. >> leon botstein is the president of bard college, a liberal arts college located about an hour from the prison but, in every other sense, worlds away. the majority of the students here are white and privileged, like max kenner, who came up with the idea of the bard prison program when he was a student here in the 1990s. he had been volunteering in prisons and knew the inmates were hungry for an education, but few opportunities were available to them. >> i visited 30 or 40 prisons. i did not encounter one single superintendent who wasn't enthusiastic about the possibility of starting a college within that prison. >> it is hard to get professors to teach in the program? >> no one has once taught for us and not wanted to do it again. >> i'm gonna put up some possibilities on the board, because this is intense. >> professor tabetha ewing teaches european history here at bard college. >> okay, how many people for absolute monarchy? >> last fall... >> the monarch... >> she also started teaching the same european history course to the prisoners. >> how many of you would choose absolute monarchy? >> how did she feel when you found herself in a room with prisoners and no guard? >> as soon as we shut the door and we began working, it was the most amazing experience. >> how? >> we had an immediate rapport. they took themselves and the work so seriously that i didn't have a moment to really consider the absence of a guard. >> i'ma start throwing chalk at him any a minute now. >> did you have to make the course easier for the prisoners than you did for the students at bard? >> once i was there three weeks, i just made it harder. >> harder. >> yes. >> she had to make the course harder, she told us, because the inmates studied harder. the student inmates have a room where they can study if they have free time during the day. these computers, by the way, do not have internet access, but much of their studying is done at night in their cells surrounded by a constant din. it may be hard to feel sympathy for criminals. it's also hard to get studying done here. this isn't exactly an ideal study situation, is it? >> no, absolutely not. >> how do you manage? i mean, it's really noisy here. >> you just try to block out the noise. and when i begin to read, i try to focus in on my studies. you know, you enter the atmosphere of the book instead of the atmosphere of your cell. [buzzer buzzes] and there you go. you know, instead of hearing that noise, you just block it out. the distractions aren't available when your mind is centered on what you're reading. [ticking] >> coming up, a prisoner's education inspires his family. >> my daughter just recently got accepted to the university of pennsylvania, and that was-- i've got to tell you, that was the best feeling in the world. >> that's next when 60 minutes on cnbc returns. 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[ticking] >> in 2001, bard college launched an initiative offering a liberal arts degree to inmates at a maximum security prison in new york state. the program started with 15 students and by 2012 had increased to nearly 300 at 5 different prisons across the state. we spoke to bard's president, leon botstein, in 2007. how have the prisoners struck you or surprised you? >> well, the most amazing thing, i have to say, the most shocking and most absolutely unbelievable thing is that it takes radical incarceration, the loss of all hope, to engender a genuine love of learning. >> higher education in penitentiaries used to be common, but then in 1994, congress eliminated federal funding for prisoners to go to college, and many programs folded. the issue was, why give free college education to convicts when so many students who haven't committed crimes can't afford it? >> it's a fair argument, but we treat inmates for medical reasons. we treat inmates for drug addiction. why aren't we treating inmates for educational needs? >> commissioner brian fisher, the head of corrections for new york state, says every study he's read shows that inmates given a college education are less likely to commit crimes once they are released. >> education changes people. and i think that's what prisons should do: change somebody from one way of thinking to a different way of thinking. >> it's a very liberal view of incarceration. >> i don't think so. i think it's the logical view of incarceration. going to prison is the punishment. once in prison, it's our obligation to make them better than they were. >> and he told us inmates in college programs are easier for the prison system to manage. >> they tend not to stir up trouble by fighting and arguing, although when we ran into these inmates in the prison yard, they were arguing... about rousseau and machiavelli. >> how do they reconcile each other, or do they? >> well, actually, they both come up with this ideology of what the natural state of man was really all about. so now we have all these theories about what the natural man was only to justify what we do now that we're not longer natural. >> listening to them talk, i could easily have been in a college quad rather than a prison yard. >> he lived in a tumultuous time, so his philosophy was geared around what he knew, what he saw. >> wes caines, like most of these men, has children. he says his daughters were his inspiration to go to college. >> i really wanted them to have a father figure who, when they look at their father, he's more than prison. he's more than a prisoner. so everything i've done has been in an effort to be someone that they can be proud of. >> and he wanted to show them that if he could study hard, they could too. >> they're pursuing their education. >> absolutely. my daughter just recently got accepted to the university of pennsylvania, and that was--i've got to tell you, that was the best feeling in the world. >> "article one proclaims..." >> remember reshawn hughes, who had never read a book before being incarcerated? he's not at eastern, the maximum security prison, anymore. he was transferred to this medium security penitentiary, where he has a lot more freedom to roam around. there are no cells here. the men live in dormitories. there are also no college programs at all. i'm sure 99 out of 100 prisoners would rather be here than at eastern, huh? this is a much easier, freer atmosphere. >> it depends on how you determine--define freedom. while at bard, i learned that freedom was something much different than just a physicality, a space of physical existence. freedom had a lot do with your ability to think. freedom had a lot to do with your ability to communicate with others, to see the world in a different view. >> if you had a choice, would you go back to that maximum security prison at eastern tomorrow if you could? >> i would go right after this interview. if they packed me up and tell me, "let's go," i would go just to continue my education. i miss the bard program tremendously. >> he also missed seeing some of his fellow student inmates graduate. most of them hope to continue their studies in prison towards more advanced degrees. there's no longer a lot of public opposition to college prison programs, but there's little government funding either, and private programs like bard's are few and far between. >> today we stand before you strong with hope, we stand before you strong with education, and we stand before you strong with a new sense of life, liberty, and happiness that has transformed us from inmates of a prison to students of the world. >> a world, which because of their crimes, they won't be seeing for many years. by june of 2012, nearly 125 students of bard's program had been released from prison. according to max kenner, many of them have leadership positions in businesses and nonprofits, while others are doing well in academia and the arts. since 2009, bard has been supporting similar programs in other colleges and universities and hopes to be active in ten states over the next few years. [ticking] coming up, geoffrey canada on the kids in the harlem children's zone. >> they come from broken homes? yes. is there poverty and drugs and crime? yes, it's all those things. those kids are still going to college. >> the zone, when 60 minutes on cnbc returns. [ticking] [ticking] >> in the world of education, geoffrey canada is considered a rock star. with his project, the harlem children's zone, canada has flooded 97 square blocks of manhattan with a wide variety of free social, medical, and educational services for over 11,000 children, including some living outside the zone. in 2012, he'll spend $95 million, 2/3 of which will come from the private sector. ed bradley first met geoffrey canada in 2005, but back then, there was no way to tell if the zone was working. now the results are in, and as anderson cooper reported in 2009, they are very impressive. for geoffrey canada, however, it's only just the beginning. >> you grow up in america, and you're told from day one this is the land of opportunity, that everybody has an equal chance to make it in this country, and then you look at places like harlem, and you say, "that is absolutely a lie." >> so you're trying to level the playing field between kids here in harlem and, what, middle-class kids in a suburb? >> that's exactly what we think we have to do. you know, if you grow up in a community where your schools are inferior, where the sounds of gunshots are a common thing, where you spend your time and energy not thinking about algebra or geometry but about how not to get beat up or not to get shot or not to get raped, when you grow up like that, you don't have the same opportunity as other children growing up. and we're trying to change those odds. >> he's trying to change those odds on a scale never before attempted. his goal: to break the cycle of poverty in an entire neighborhood by making sure all the kids who live there go to college. you really believe that's possible, to break that cycle? >> i absolutely know we're gonna do it. >> canada remembers well what it was like to be a kid in the inner city. >> we couldn't afford... >> he grew up not far from harlem in another tough new york neighborhood, the south bronx. abandoned by his father, he and his three brothers were raised by their mother, who was barely able to get by. >> when i first found out that superman wasn't real, i was about maybe eight. and i was talking to my mother about it. and she was like, "no, no, no. there's no superman." and i started crying. the chaos, the violence, the danger. no hero was coming. >> canada got lucky, however. as a teenager, his grandparents moved to the suburbs, and he went with them. he got into bowdoin college and then the harvard school of education. >> good morning, boys and girls. >> he's been working with kids in harlem virtually ever since. >> you know, one of the first things kids ask me when they really get to know me, they say, "mr. canada..." i say, "yes." "are you rich?" and i say, "yeah, i am." and they're so excited because they think, "i finally know somebody who has power." what they really want to ask is, "is there any way that you can help me figure out how to get a nice car and maybe get a house?" and i think they want someone to say, "yes, you can." i got out. you can get out. there's a way. and i'm gonna help you do that. >> all: ♪ i can do this ♪ i can do it >> to do it, geoffrey canada decided to build his own school in the harlem children's zone. >> we've created a school to help you all become the smartest boys and girls in the country. >> it's a charter school, so canada is able to run it his way free from the bureaucracy and restrictions in the public school system. classes are smaller and school days longer. kids come in on saturdays, and summer vacation, that only lasts three weeks. >> we will always ask permission before leaving the group? >> yes. >> discipline is strict, and so is the dress code. to teach kids healthy eating habits, there are cooking classes using ingredients from the school's own organic garden. and if any of the kids get sick, this on-site clinic provides free medical, mental health, and even dental care. >> good afternoon. >> canada calls his school the promise academy, and this is what he tells parents at the start of each year. >> we promise our families if your children are with us, we guarantee they're going to get into college, and we're going to stick with them through college, right? so that's--that's the promise. >> how can you, though, actually promise that they will go to college? >> if my kids don't go to college, people who work for me are losing their jobs. and there's just no way around that. >> you'll fire the teachers. >> i will fire the teachers. i'll fire the after-school workers. i'll fire the directors. everybody understands that this thing is our job as the adults. and we're not gonna hold the kids responsible, right? and are some of my kids belligerent? yes. do some of them come in and don't try hard? yes, they do. do they come from broken homes? yes. is there poverty and drugs and crime? yes, it's all those things. those kids are still going to college. >> my name is richar anozier. >> richar anozier wasn't too sure about college when ed bradley first met him back in 2005. he was just in kindergarten. >> you want to go to college? >> much as it kills me, yes. >> much as it kills you. why would it kill you going to college? >> because they got people-- words that i don't know. >> but you'll learn new words every year. trust me. you'll be okay. >> okay. >> today richar seems a lot more confident about college. do you know what college you want to go to? >> stanford. >> what do you want to do after stanford? >> i would like to earn my way to being a ceo. >> why do you want to be the ceo? >> to tell you the truth, i think you get paid better when you're a ceo. >> i think you're right. 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>> to help ensure that the kids who don't get in still make it to college, canada has created a pipeline of free programs targeting all 10,000 children in the zone. he sends recruiters out door-to-door trying to sell sometimes suspicious families on what services he's offering. >> do you have a moment? >> no. >> canada's pipeline begins at birth at the baby college, a nine-week workshop that teaches new mothers and fathers how to parent. >> you know, you're hitting, and then, you know, after that, you come and hug the child. it's sending mixed messages. >> it also teaches them how to prepare their kids for elementary school. >> so you have the routine of reading books. >> for toddlers, there are free pre-kindergarten classes that focus on developing language skills, even in french and spanish. canada has also put reading labs in public elementary schools in the zone and created an s.a.t. tutoring center for teens. >> you have to round it up to this one. >> we get them in the pipeline. we seal it. once they get in, we don't let you out. you get out with a college degree. that's the point. >> canada has long argued that investing in the harlem children's zone would show a return, and now, for the first time, there's scientific data to prove it. >> he has done a remarkable job. >> dr. roland fryer is a professor in the economics department at harvard. he has conducted the first independent statistical study of geoffrey canada's efforts to close the racial achievement gap in his school. what is the racial achievement gap? >> black children in our schools are not performing at even close the rate as white children in our schools. the average black 17-year-old reads at the proficiency level of the average white 13-year-old, 4-year difference in effective reading skills. that's huge. >> but when dr. fryer analyzed four years' worth of promise academy test scores, he discovered something remarkable. >> at the elementary school level, he closed the achievement gap in both subjects, math and reading. >> actually eliminating the gap in elementary school? >> absolutely. we've never seen anything like that. absolutely eliminating the gap. the gap is gone, and that is absolutely incredible. >> in 2008, according to new york state data, 100% of canada's third graders scored at or above grade level in math... >> good job. >> narrowly outperforming their white peers in the city's public schools. >> 96. is that the answer? >> [together] yes. >> even more impressive, canada's impact on middle schoolers, kids who enrolled in the promise academy in the sixth grade. they started out far behind grade level, but dr. fryer found that within three years, they had virtually eliminated the achievement gap in math and reduced it by nearly half in reading. >> these are kids that a lot of people had given up on. and he showed that it's never too late. >> does it change the way you look at the problem? >> it does, because here's an analogy. we're ten touchdowns down in the fourth quarter. we kick a field goal, and everyone celebrates, right? that's kind of useless. we're still 67 points down. >> you're still losing. >> we're not just losing. we're getting crushed. all right? what geoff canada has shown is that we can actually win the game. >> geoffrey canada may be winning, but he is nowhere near declaring victory. >> reversing the black-white achievement gap and then closing it in elementary school, that's huge. >> it's about an hour's worth of celebration huge. you know, i've got kids who might be shot tomorrow. we've still got a lot of work to do before i can feel comfortable that they're all gonna be okay. >> and the economic crisis has hit canada hard as well. donations are down, and he's laid off staff. his endowment also lost $4 million to bernie madoff. and that money is just gone. >> we basically have written that money off. it's basically gone. >> but canada's experiment did receive a boost when president obama announced plans to create promise neighborhoods across the country modeled after the harlem children's zone. >> if the harlem's children's zone can turn around neighborhoods in new york, then why not detroit or san antonio or los angeles? >> and a lot of students came to school on saturday... >> there are other charter schools getting similar positive results, but replicating the harlem children's zone in its entirety may be difficult, in part because it's hard to determine exactly which ingredient is the key to geoffrey canada's success. >> i feel like i've gone to a phenomenal french restaurant. the dish tastes good, but i'm not sure exactly what they did to do it. >> he's doing so many different things. he's got this all-hands-on-deck approach. >> he does. he does. he does. and i think the key step forward from here is that we need to kind of demystify the success. i want to boil him down to pill form so i can transport him to other places. because if folks think, "well, this is just geoff canada," or "this is just harlem, and this is just a special deal," they're less likely to adopt it in omaha and places like minnesota." >> and we're gonna stick with them through college, right? >> so how will you measure success? how will you know when the children's zone has worked? >> when i see my kids by the thousands with degrees, i will say, "this is what we set out to do, and we've done it. we've got our kids in the best schools in america. they're gonna be successful. they'll be competing with everybody else all over the country." people will be looking for kids from harlem, saying, "oh, those kids are so great from harlem. we need more kids from harlem to come in." then we'll be successful. >> since we first reported this story, the harlem children's zone has reached a milestone. the promise academy added a 12th grade, and his first graduates, the class of 2012, were all accepted into college. the zone is also using a nearby armory and turned it into a sports and fitness center, where 1,000 children a week now exercise. that's our edition of 60 minutes on cnbc. i'm bob simon. thanks for joining us. 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there is always a bull market somewhere. i will see you tomorrow. [ticking] >> are you guys happy, glad that you decided to come to seed? >> both: yes. >> do you think you'll stay here till you graduate? >> both: yes. >> you're certain of that? >> both: yes. >> why are you so certain? >> 'cause i know this is where i want to be, and this is where my future is gonna start. [ticking] >> most of the men got here by committing violent crimes: assault, rape, and murder. it's not the type of place you'd expect to walk into and find the inmates studying 18th-century european history. >> if you brought with you-- and i hope you did-- olympe de gouges' declaration of the rights of woman and the female citizen... >> inmates in college programs are easier for the prison system to manage. they tend not to stir up trouble by fighting and arguing, although when we ran into these inmates in the prison yard, they were arguing... about rousseau and machiavelli. >> how do they reconcile each other, or do they? >> well, actually, they both come up with this ideology of what the natural state of man was really all about. [ticking] >> you want to go to college? >> much as it kills me, yes. >> when ed bradley met richar anozier in 2005, it was for a story about the harlem children's zone, an inner-city education program run by a remarkable man named geoffrey canada... >> good morning, boys and girls. >> and considered one of the most ambitious social experiments to alleviate poverty in our lifetime. >> if you work hard... >> but back then, there was no way to tell if the experiment was working. today the results are in, and they're nothing short of stunning. just ask richar anozier. do you know what college you want to go to? >> stanford. >> what do you want to do after stanford? >> i would like to earn my way to being a ceo. >> welcome to 60 minutes on cnbc. i'm bob simon. in this edition, we look at three groundbreaking approaches to education. first, we visit the seed public charter school, the nation's first urban public boarding school. later, we meet some unlikely students who are getting a liberal arts college degree behind bars. and finally, we go to the harlem children's zone under the leadership of geoffrey canada. we begin with seed, one of the most successful and innovative charter schools in the country. it was started in 1998 in southeast washington, d.c., where some of the nation's most troubled schools are located and where most students don't finish high school. but as byron pitts first reported in 2010, seed students are different. most graduate and go on to college. admission to seed is by lottery, open to any family in the district willing to take a chance. >> girl 41. >> yeah! >> this family was one of the few who won the lottery, a $35,000-per-year education paid for by private and government money. >> boy 12. >> yay! >> only 1/3 of the over 200 or so kids who applied heard their number called. with the child's future at stake, emotions ran high. >> 38. >> the grants were another family who won the chance to change their child's life. >> yeah! >> when that number was called, describe that feeling. >> it was just shocking. i didn't think that was gonna happen. listen, when he said "38," i didn't hear anything but joy. >> why does this mean so much to you? >> it's called opportunity. we've never had that before. so why not grab it if you can? here, you know, the sky is the limit. >> and how about you? got a big smile. is this good news? >> yes. >> seed is the brainchild of raj vinnakota and eric adler, two former businessmen who quit their jobs in 1997 to take an old idea and make it new. >> there's boarding schools for rich kids. why aren't there boarding schools for poor kids? the intense academic environment, the 24-hour aspect, and constant access to role models. why wouldn't all of those things be just as important for poor kids as it would be for rich kids? >> we believe very strongly that there is a group of kids for whom the answer is a 24-hour supportive educational environment. and they're not gonna have a shot if we don't give that to them. >> it all starts here. the seed campus is a four-acre oasis, a safe zone where 340 kids can focus on school free from distractions back at home. >> everyone has their own coordinate grid. >> seed's goal is to prepare these children academically and socially for college and beyond. the students enter in sixth and seventh grade, 90% of them performing below grade level. charles adams is the head of school. >> we are a public school, and we have a lottery. we get what we get. it could be an honor roll student. it could be a student three, four grade levels behind that's struggling with a number of issues at home. so we get the gamut. >> i was told you have kids who come here in the sixth grade reading at a second-grade level. >> mm-hmm. >> is that child going to college? >> why not? why not? i mean-- >> because they're way behind. because they don't read at a proper reading level. they're behind in math. they're behind in science. >> i'll take all of that. >> they're behind in reading. >> i'll take all of that. and they could be a pain in the neck. that's my starting point. >> and you think it's working? >> i know it's working. >> it's a 24-hour, 5-day-a-week job, which starts on sunday night when the kids check in from their weekends at home. >> hey, miss leach. >> how are you, sweetie? >> they live in single-sex dorms with strict rules: no television and no facebook. the days start early, 6:00 a.m., and classes run from 8:00 to 4:00. then there's study hall, extracurriculars, and tutoring. the day ends at 10:00. >> anthony, let's go. it's lights out. >> all right. >> this kind of structure and support is new to many of these students. >> okay, so this is the quad. >> what's also new is visiting college as early as middle school. these eighth graders went to see american university in washington, d.c. it's all part of reminding them of their end goal. listen to these juniors. show of hands if you're absolutely confident that you're "a," going to college, and "b," you're gonna graduate college. he's got both arms up, he's so... [laughter] he's so sure. >> seed imbeds college and success and commitment into our minds on a daily basis. it's, like, we build, and we live and we grow into scholars. >> scholars. now, did you have that confidence before you got here or-- >> no. >> no. what gave you that confidence? >> the teachers. >> so on the board, things that impressed you or a question you have or something. >> teachers put extra emphasis on the basics. unlike most schools, there are two periods of english and two periods of math per day in middle school. upperclassmen are required to read 45 minutes a day in addition to their homework. classes are small with 10 to 15 students. >> clearly, you see that there's a lot of dna inside of these strawberries. >> teachers like jawan harris know every student personally, their strengths and weaknesses. if a child is failing, how do you help him or her? >> we usually host tutorials after school. last week, i sent out an email saying, "5:00 until they get it." >> what time did they finally get it? >> i would say my last student was in here probably until about 10:45. >> 10:45. but what public school teacher in d.c. works till 10:45? >> i have no idea, but i know that when i leave this building, i'm walking past my principal's office, who's in her office talking to another student, and there's another teacher still in their office, so it happens often. >> that kind of dedication and personalized instruction has paid off. >> i'm awesome. [laughter] >> by 2012, tenth graders at seed were scoring 55% higher in reading and 40% higher in math compared to other minority students in their area. but seed isn't just about academics. there's a life skills curriculum taught in the evenings. >> the core values are respect, responsibility, integrity, self-discipline, and compassion. >> students learn social skills like self-discipline and etiquette. >> can anybody raise their hand and tell me why the skill of public speaking is important? >> it helps your self-confidence. >> definitely helps your self-confidence. good one. [ticking] >> coming up, the measure of success. >> what i think success is: it's kind of what you're like. you're smart, intelligent. you're a nice reporter. you dress nice. your shoes are pretty. and just that--knowing that you're gonna be something in life. >> you gonna make it? >> yes. >> more on the seed school when 60 minutes on cnbc continues. 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[ male announcer ] fast, reliable deliveries worldwide. fedex. >> how's class going? >> it's been going great. >> director of outreach lesley poole has been at seed from the start. >> no one has pulled themself up by their own bootstraps, right? like, everyone has a story about somebody who helped them. >> and you're letting them hold on to your bootstraps, and you're helping to pull them up. >> i'm giving them everything i have. >> you get the sense seed is more of a calling than a job for people like poole. they don't simply have to raise a kid's test scores. they have to change their values. >> i think the average middle school student comes into seed and says, "i have to do two hours of homework? really? i have to tuck my shirt in all the time? really? i have to go to bed at 9:00 at night? i need to get eight hours' sleep? does it really take all of that just to be successful in school?" it takes all that. >> frances blackmon and melvin brown have learned that. >> are you guys happy, glad that you decided to come to seed? >> both: yes. >> do you think you'll stay here till you graduate? >> both: yes. >> you're certain of that? >> both: yes. >> why are you so certain? >> 'cause i know this is where i want to be, and this is where my future is gonna start. >> a whole new beginning of life. >> that's what seed is for you? >> mm-hmm. >> but you guys have long school days, right? >> yeah, we get out at 4:00. >> do you mind being at school that long? >> both: no. >> 'cause i'm getting more education into my brain. >> more education into your brain. >> when you're in class and you don't understand something, the teachers will take time out after school and during school to help, try to help you, and they, like, they show compassion for you. >> compassion for you. do you guys have any doubt that you're gonna be successful? >> no. >> no. >> and what does success look like? >> you're always supposed to believe in yourself. >> do you believe in yourself? >> yes. >> what i think success is: it's kind of what you're like. you're smart, intelligent. you're a nice reporter. you dress nice. your shoes are pretty. and just that--knowing that you're gonna be something in life. >> you gonna make it? >> yes. >> and then there are students like rojay ball who may not make it. he came here to escape his old neighborhood, where guns and gang violence are common. in 2009, in one turf battle, rojay was shot in the leg. weeks later, he was shot at again, but at seed, he says he feels safe. >> when i come here, i feel as though i can just be laid back without worrying about nobody having to attack me or say something wrong to me. >> someone could hurt you in that world. >> yeah. >> someone could kill you in that world. >> yeah. >> rojay ball. >> at seed, rojay's an athlete. he's a "b" student. teachers say he's not a troublemaker. yet his loyalty to his old neighborhood, his old friends runs deep. how many close friends do you have back at the neighborhood number-wise? >> around, like, ten. >> how many of those guys are going to college? >> i'd say none. >> a lot of people in your life feel like you're on the fence, that you could go this way and be successful, go to college, or you could go this way and end up someplace else. do you feel that at all? >> well, i always feel as though, like, i'm gonna graduate from college. when i come to seed, i'm in this world where as though i'm comfortable enough to focus in class, do my homework every day, like, and i'm prepared for college. but i'm just trying to escape that world, like, my outside world. but it's something that's right there that's just, like, holding me up, holding me back. >> can't let it go? >> i just can't. >> like a magnet, it pulls you back. >> mm-hmm, just like a magnet. >> you think rojay will graduate from here? >> oh, i do. oh, come on. i do. >> and he will go to college? >> i do. >> what makes you think rojay can be successful? i mean, this is a kid who's been shot, shot at. >> i don't think it's in me to not think they can be successful. he has some capacity building in front of him. but rojay still has hope, and he still has potential, and so i'd just as soon not give up on him until, you know, until he makes it and he can believe for himself. >> that's part of the success formula here: getting these kids to believe in themselves as much as you believe in them. >> we set high expectations. i think we push our students until they can own that, and they begin to set expectations for themselves. >> but some don't. seed loses 12% of their students every year. the reality is, you can't save everybody. >> the reality is that we're gonna work our darnedest to save everybody. >> we're not gonna give up on any child. we are gonna work to create an environment where every single child can succeed. in the end, have there been and will there be some children for whom the clock just runs out on us? sure, it happens. we'll never accept it. we will always work to make that not happen. >> seed's commitment to its students has brought them attention. president obama, who is looking for ways to improve inner-city schools, visited in 2009. >> this school is a true success story, a place where, for four of the last five years, every graduate from the seed school was admitted to college, every graduate. >> the class of 2009 was on track to do the same. with success like that, vinnakota and adler believe there should be a seed school in every major urban area. they opened a second boarding school in baltimore two years ago, and they're planning to open a third in cincinnati. the funding comes from a mixture of private donors who pay for start-up costs, including building the schools, and then government money pays for most of the operating costs. at every school, the goal is the same: a day like this one. >> i'm going to kent state university. >> connecticut college. >> winston-salem state university. >> kent state university. >> raise your hand if you're the first member of your family to go to college. >> in a single generation, families can not only produce a high school graduate but a college graduate, and that changes a family forever. and that's why we do what we do. >> many of seed's alumni now have degrees from colleges and universities all over the country, and the graduating class of 2012 is its biggest yet. most have been accepted into college. in 2011, ohio and florida passed legislation that will allow for public boarding schools in each state. seed hopes to open a school in cincinnati in 2013 and then in miami. and as for rojay ball, he left seed in 2011 and enrolled in another school in washington. 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[ticking] >> it's been well-documented that one of the best ways to rehabilitate criminals is to educate them while they're in prison. but who wants to pay for prisoners to go to college when most people have trouble paying for their own kids' tuition? well, we found one college that does: bard, where a prestigious private college is offering liberal arts degrees to some inmates in new york state, and it doesn't cost taxpayers a cent. as we reported in 2007, it's not what you think goes on in a maximum security prison. [orchestral music]] [applause] it looks and sounds like an ordinary college graduation ceremony: the caps and gowns, the handing out of diplomas. [applause] but these men receiving their degrees from bard college will not be leaving to go out and make their mark on the world. >> this is an upside-down cake. we go, and you remain here. >> "here" is the eastern correctional facility, a maximum security prison in new york state. most of the men got here by committing violent crimes: assault, rape, and murder with sentences ranging from seven years to life. it's not the type of place you'd expect to walk into and find the inmates studying 18th-century european history. >> if you brought with you-- and i hope you did-- olympe de gouges' declaration of the rights of woman and the female citizen... >> the bard college program, which is privately funded, has been in this prison since 2001. the academics are tough. how much studying do you guys do? [laughter] >> maybe five or six hours a day outside of class. >> the classes they take change each semester. >> the fate of most dictators is that nobody wants to give them asylum. >> but what they have in common is that they're not practical courses. they're true liberal arts courses, like english, sociology, philosophy, and german. >> okay, sehr gut. >> that's right, german. >> berlin. >> [together] berlin. >> berlin. >> salih israel pushed for a german course because, he says, he wanted to be able to read german philosophers in their original language. >> i mean, you have hegel. you have marx. you have kant. a lot of those prevailing ideas, they're in german. >> you want to read hegel and kant in german? >> yes. >> es gibt ein millionen. >> salih israel, by the way, is serving 20 to 40 years for shooting a woman in the course of a robbery. >> it may be that the difference between a marshland and a wetland and a swamp is actually physical. >> what do you say to somebody who says you should be learning a trade, some vocational training, instead of all this philosophy? >> a vocational program might give you skills to have a job, but it's not gonna give you skills to have a life. >> joe bergamini is in prison because he took a life, his own mother's. >> "that thomas jefferson..." >> reshawn hughes shot and killed a man. he was far from being college material. how much education had you had before you were incarcerated? >> actually, i'd never read a book until i came to prison. >> you'd never read a book. >> never read a book. >> now he says he hopes to continue his education until he gets his phd. >> "to educate citizens about liberty." >> by 2007, wes caines had already served 17 years for taking part in a shoot-out in which one man was killed and another was seriously injured. he knows how lucky he is to be getting an elite education from bard. >> they made an investment in people that society had written off and people who even today feel that we shouldn't have this opportunity. >> not every prisoner gets the opportunity. only about 10% of the inmates who apply to the college program are accepted. prison life can be so routine and depressing, it's no wonder that these men jump at the chance to escape with their minds if not with their bodies. >> ahh! >> travis darshan dropped out of school when he was 14. when he was 17, he was arrested with two friends for robbing and killing a taxi driver. travis darshan never dreamed he'd get a college education. >> how did you feel when you got in? >> oh, i was elated. i was elated. it was--it was almost like they told me i was going home. >> wow. >> i really was. i felt like it was just a new chapter in my life, that it gave me a chance to start over. >> for these people locked up, this is just a psychological lifesaver, a string of hope, even if their release is 10, 5, 15, 20 years out. >> leon botstein is the president of bard college, a liberal arts college located about an hour from the prison but, in every other sense, worlds away. the majority of the students here are white and privileged, like max kenner, who came up with the idea of the bard prison program when he was a student here in the 1990s. he had been volunteering in prisons and knew the inmates were hungry for an education, but few opportunities were available to them. >> i visited 30 or 40 prisons. i did not encounter one single superintendent who wasn't enthusiastic about the possibility of starting a college within that prison. >> it is hard to get professors to teach in the program? >> no one has once taught for us and not wanted to do it again. >> i'm gonna put up some possibilities on the board, because this is intense. >> professor tabetha ewing teaches european history here at bard college. >> okay, how many people for absolute monarchy? >> last fall... >> the monarch... >> she also started teaching the same european history course to the prisoners. >> how many of you would choose absolute monarchy? >> how did she feel when you found herself in a room with prisoners and no guard? >> as soon as we shut the door and we began working, it was the most amazing experience. >> how? >> we had an immediate rapport. they took themselves and the work so seriously that i didn't have a moment to really consider the absence of a guard. >> i'ma start throwing chalk at him any a minute now. >> did you have to make the course easier for the prisoners than you did for the students at bard? >> once i was there three weeks, i just made it harder. >> harder. >> yes. >> she had to make the course harder, she told us, because the inmates studied harder. the student inmates have a room where they can study if they have free time during the day. these computers, by the way, do not have internet access, but much of their studying is done at night in their cells surrounded by a constant din. it may be hard to feel sympathy for criminals. it's also hard to get studying done here. this isn't exactly an ideal study situation, is it? >> no, absolutely not. >> how do you manage? i mean, it's really noisy here. >> you just try to block out the noise. and when i begin to read, i try to focus in on my studies. you know, you enter the atmosphere of the book instead of the atmosphere of your cell. [buzzer buzzes] and there you go. you know, instead of hearing that noise, you just block it out. the distractions aren't available when your mind is centered on what you're reading. [ticking] >> coming up, a prisoner's education inspires his family. >> my daughter just recently got accepted to the university of pennsylvania, and that was-- i've got to tell you, that was the best feeling in the world. >> that's next when 60 minutes on cnbc returns. [ticking] oh, hey mike. what are you up to? oh, just diagramming this accident with my state farm pocket agent app. you can also get a quote and pay your premium with this thing. i thought state farm didn't have all those apps? where did you hear that? the internet. and you believed it? yeah. they can't put anything on the internet that isn't true. where did you hear that? [ both ] the internet. oh look. here comes my date. i met him on the internet. he's a french model. uh, bonjour. 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>> it's a fair argument, but we treat inmates for medical reasons. we treat inmates for drug addiction. why aren't we treating inmates for educational needs? >> commissioner brian fisher, the head of corrections for new york state, says every study he's read shows that inmates given a college education are less likely to commit crimes once they are released. >> education changes people. and i think that's what prisons should do: change somebody from one way of thinking to a different way of thinking. >> it's a very liberal view of incarceration. >> i don't think so. i think it's the logical view of incarceration. going to prison is the punishment. once in prison, it's our obligation to make them better than they were. >> and he told us inmates in college programs are easier for the prison system to manage. >> they tend not to stir up trouble by fighting and arguing, although when we ran into these inmates in the prison yard, they were arguing... about rousseau and machiavelli. >> how do they reconcile each other, or do they? >> well, actually, they both come up with this ideology of what the natural state of man was really all about. so now we have all these theories about what the natural man was only to justify what we do now that we're not longer natural. >> listening to them talk, i could easily have been in a college quad rather than a prison yard. >> he lived in a tumultuous time, so his philosophy was geared around what he knew, what he saw. >> wes caines, like most of these men, has children. he says his daughters were his inspiration to go to college. >> i really wanted them to have a father figure who, when they look at their father, he's more than prison. he's more than a prisoner. so everything i've done has been in an effort to be someone that they can be proud of. >> and he wanted to show them that if he could study hard, they could too. >> they're pursuing their education. >> absolutely. my daughter just recently got accepted to the university of pennsylvania, and that was--i've got to tell you, that was the best feeling in the world. >> "article one proclaims..." >> remember reshawn hughes, who had never read a book before being incarcerated? he's not at eastern, the maximum security prison, anymore. he was transferred to this medium security penitentiary, where he has a lot more freedom to roam around. there are no cells here. the men live in dormitories. there are also no college programs at all. i'm sure 99 out of 100 prisoners would rather be here than at eastern, huh? this is a much easier, freer atmosphere. >> it depends on how you determine--define freedom. while at bard, i learned that freedom was something much different than just a physicality, a space of physical existence. freedom had a lot do with your ability to think. freedom had a lot to do with your ability to communicate with others, to see the world in a different view. >> if you had a choice, would you go back to that maximum security prison at eastern tomorrow if you could? >> i would go right after this interview. if they packed me up and tell me, "let's go," i would go just to continue my education. i miss the bard program tremendously. >> he also missed seeing some of his fellow student inmates graduate. most of them hope to continue their studies in prison towards more advanced degrees. there's no longer a lot of public opposition to college prison programs, but there's little government funding either, and private programs like bard's are few and far between. >> today we stand before you strong with hope, we stand before you strong with education, and we stand before you strong with a new sense of life, liberty, and happiness that has transformed us from inmates of a prison to students of the world. >> a world, which because of their crimes, they won't be seeing for many years. by june of 2012, nearly 125 students of bard's program had been released from prison. according to max kenner, many of them have leadership positions in businesses and nonprofits, while others are doing well in academia and the arts. since 2009, bard has been supporting similar programs in other colleges and universities and hopes to be active in ten states over the next few years. [ticking] coming up, geoffrey canada on the kids in the harlem children's zone. >> they come from broken homes? yes. is there poverty and drugs and crime? yes, it's all those things. those kids are still going to college. >> the zone, when 60 minutes on cnbc returns. [ticking] great, everybody made it. we all work remotely so this is a big deal, our first full team gathering! i wanted to call on a few people. ashley, ashley marshall... here. since we're often all on the move, ashley suggested we use fedex office to hold packages for us. great job. [ applause ] thank you. and on a protocol note, i'd like to talk to tim hill about his tendency to use all caps in emails. [ shouting ] oh i'm sorry guys. ah sometimes the caps lock gets stuck on my keyboard. hey do you wanna get a drink later? 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[ticking] >> in the world of education, geoffrey canada is considered a rock star. with his project, the harlem children's zone, canada has flooded 97 square blocks of manhattan with a wide variety of free social, medical, and educational services for over 11,000 children, including some living outside the zone. in 2012, he'll spend $95 million, 2/3 of which will come from the private sector. ed bradley first met geoffrey canada in 2005, but back then, there was no way to tell if the zone was working. now the results are in, and as anderson cooper reported in 2009, they are very impressive. for geoffrey canada, however, it's only just the beginning. >> you grow up in america, and you're told from day one this is the land of opportunity, that everybody has an equal chance to make it in this country, and then you look at places like harlem, and you say, "that is absolutely a lie." >> so you're trying to level the playing field between kids here in harlem and, what, middle-class kids in a suburb? >> that's exactly what we think we have to do. you know, if you grow up in a community where your schools are inferior, where the sounds of gunshots are a common thing, where you spend your time and energy not thinking about algebra or geometry but about how not to get beat up or not to get shot or not to get raped, when you grow up like that, you don't have the same opportunity as other children growing up. and we're trying to change those odds. >> he's trying to change those odds on a scale never before attempted. his goal: to break the cycle of poverty in an entire neighborhood by making sure all the kids who live there go to college. you really believe that's possible, to break that cycle? >> i absolutely know we're gonna do it. >> canada remembers well what it was like to be a kid in the inner city. >> we couldn't afford... >> he grew up not far from harlem in another tough new york neighborhood, the south bronx. abandoned by his father, he and his three brothers were raised by their mother, who was barely able to get by. >> when i first found out that superman wasn't real, i was about maybe eight. and i was talking to my mother about it. and she was like, "no, no, no. there's no superman." and i started crying. the chaos, the violence, the danger. no hero was coming. >> canada got lucky, however. as a teenager, his grandparents moved to the suburbs, and he went with them. he got into bowdoin college and then the harvard school of education. >> good morning, boys and girls. >> he's been working with kids in harlem virtually ever since. >> you know, one of the first things kids ask me when they really get to know me, they say, "mr. canada..." i say, "yes." "are you rich?" and i say, "yeah, i am." and they're so excited because they think, "i finally know somebody who has power." what they really want to ask is, "is there any way that you can help me figure out how to get a nice car and maybe get a house?" and i think they want someone to say, "yes, you can." i got out. you can get out. there's a way. and i'm gonna help you do that. >> all: ♪ i can do this ♪ i can do it >> to do it, geoffrey canada decided to build his own school in the harlem children's zone. >> we've created a school to help you all become the smartest boys and girls in the country. >> it's a charter school, so canada is able to run it his way free from the bureaucracy and restrictions in the public school system. classes are smaller and school days longer. kids come in on saturdays, and summer vacation, that only lasts three weeks. >> we will always ask permission before leaving the group? >> yes. >> discipline is strict, and so is the dress code. to teach kids healthy eating habits, there are cooking classes using ingredients from the school's own organic garden. and if any of the kids get sick, this on-site clinic provides free medical, mental health, and even dental care. >> good afternoon. >> canada calls his school the promise academy, and this is what he tells parents at the start of each year. >> we promise our families if your children are with us, we guarantee they're going to get into college, and we're going to stick with them through college, right? so that's--that's the promise. >> how can you, though, actually promise that they will go to college? >> if my kids don't go to college, people who work for me are losing their jobs. and there's just no way around that. >> you'll fire the teachers. >> i will fire the teachers. i'll fire the after-school workers. i'll fire the directors. everybody understands that this thing is our job as the adults. and we're not gonna hold the kids responsible, right? and are some of my kids belligerent? yes. do some of them come in and don't try hard? yes, they do. do they come from broken homes? yes. is there poverty and drugs and crime? yes, it's all those things. those kids are still going to college. >> my name is richar anozier. >> richar anozier wasn't too sure about college when ed bradley first met him back in 2005. he was just in kindergarten. >> you want to go to college? >> much as it kills me, yes. >> much as it kills you. why would it kill you going to college? >> because they got people-- words that i don't know. >> but you'll learn new words every year. trust me. you'll be okay. >> okay. >> today richar seems a lot more confident about college. do you know what college you want to go to? >> stanford. >> what do you want to do after stanford? >> i would like to earn my way to being a ceo. >> why do you want to be the ceo? >> to tell you the truth, i think you get paid better when you're a ceo. >> i think you're right. 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>> to help ensure that the kids who don't get in still make it to college, canada has created a pipeline of free programs targeting all 10,000 children in the zone. he sends recruiters out door-to-door trying to sell sometimes suspicious families on what services he's offering. >> do you have a moment? >> no. >> canada's pipeline begins at birth at the baby college, a nine-week workshop that teaches new mothers and fathers how to parent. >> you know, you're hitting, and then, you know, after that, you come and hug the child. it's sending mixed messages. >> it also teaches them how to prepare their kids for elementary school. >> so you have the routine of reading books. >> for toddlers, there are free pre-kindergarten classes that focus on developing language skills, even in french and spanish. canada has also put reading labs in public elementary schools in the zone and created an s.a.t. tutoring center for teens. >> you have to round it up to this one. >> we get them in the pipeline. we seal it. once they get in, we don't let you out. you get out with a college degree. that's the point. >> canada has long argued that investing in the harlem children's zone would show a return, and now, for the first time, there's scientific data to prove it. >> he has done a remarkable job. >> dr. roland fryer is a professor in the economics department at harvard. he has conducted the first independent statistical study of geoffrey canada's efforts to close the racial achievement gap in his school. what is the racial achievement gap? >> black children in our schools are not performing at even close the rate as white children in our schools. the average black 17r-ol reads at the proficiency level of the average white 13-year-old, 4-year difference in effective reading skills. that's huge. >> but when dr. fryer analyzed four years' worth of promise academy test scores, he discovered something remarkable. >> at the elementary school level, he closed the achievement gap in both subjects, math and reading. >> actually eliminating the gap in elementary school? >> absolutely. we've never seen anything like that. absolutely eliminating the gap. the gap is gone, and that is absolutely incredible. >> in 2008, according to new york state data, 100% of canada's third graders scored at or above grade level in math... >> good job. >> narrowly outperforming their white peers in the city's public schools. >> 96. is that the answer? >> [together] yes. >> even more impressive, canada's impact on middle schoolers, kids who enrolled in the promise academy in the sixth grade. they started out far behind grade level, but dr. fryer found that within three years, they had virtually eliminated the achievement gap in math and reduced it by nearly half in reading. >> these are kids that a lot of people had given up on. and he showed that it's never too late. >> does it change the way you look at the problem? >> it does, because here's an analogy. we're ten touchdowns down in the fourth quarter. we kick a field goal, and everyone celebrates, right? that's kind of useless. we're still 67 points down. >> you're still losing. >> we're not just losing. we're getting crushed. all right? what geoff canada has shown is that we can actually win the game. >> geoffrey canada may be winning, but he is nowhere near declaring victory. >> reversing the black-white achievement gap and then closing it in elementary school, that's huge. >> it's about an hour's worth of celebration huge. you know, i've got kids who might be shot tomorrow. we've still got a lot of work to do before i can feel comfortable that they're all gonna be okay. >> and the economic crisis has hit canada hard as well. donations are down, and he's laid off staff. his endowment also lost $4 million to bernie madoff. and that money is just gone. >> we basically have written that money off. it's basically gone. >> but canada's experiment did receive a boost when president obama announced plans to create promise neighborhoods across the country modeled after the harlem children's zone. >> if the harlem's children's zone can turn around neighborhoods in new york, then why not detroit or san antonio or los angeles? >> and a lot of students came to school on saturday... >> there are other charter schools getting similar positive results, but replicating the harlem children's zone in its entirety may be difficult, in part because it's hard to determine exactly which ingredient is the key to geoffrey canada's success. >> i feel like i've gone to a

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happens next. >> reporter: oscar pistorius walking out of a south african court after the verdict. >> mr. pistorius please stand up. >> that shocked people around the globe. >> not guilty and is discharged. >> not guilty of murder in the shooting death of his girlfriend reeva steenkamp. instead he was convicted of a less sear eagles/cowboys charge culpable homicide equivalent of manslaughter and carries maximum sentence of 15 years if prison. experts say he could face much less. >> it makes me wonder is it possible, very unlikely he could get no jail time but possible. >> in the trial that draingdz on for month he tearfullly maintained he fired through the bathroom door last valentine's day think an intruder was inside. >> i was trying to protect reeva. >> insisting the man known as blade runner knew he was shooting at stein cam. >> you killed reeva steenkamp that's what you did. >> today she shook their heads in disbelief of the verdict as pistorius sat stoned faced his family expressing relief and regret. >> a tragic event like this there is no victors in this. it won't bring reeva back but our heart goes out for her family and sglendz he was found guilty on a gun related charge released on bond and will be back in court next month to learn his sentence. meanwhile prosecutors say they maya peel the judge's ruling. marcy gonzalez, "channel 6 action news." >> we have a traffic alert to pass along to you right now. a tractor-trailer has overturned open the ramp connecting northbound 295 with southbound route 73. and this is in mount laurel burlington county it happened 1 hour ago and no injuries were reported and that ramp is still closed right now. a deadly crash in vineland, cumberland county backed up route 55 for close to three hours this morning. chopper6hd flew over the scene route 55 near garden road and a single car crashed in the southbound lanes killing one person. that victim was not identified. the road was reopened before 10:00 this morning. ai dupont hospital is awaiting frults cdc to determine if a national outbreak has come to delaware. five example from there are being tested for entrovirus which has sick end hundreds of children across the country. health reporter ali gorman talked to a family member who is among those waiting on the results today. and time for a check of the accuweather forecast on this comfortably cool day. >> yes, from sky6 we see clear, crisp, sunny skies over atlantic city and the clouds and rain are coming our way. >> yes, let's go outside to meteorologist adam joseph. in the meantime, it is beautiful out there adam. >> it s it's a perfect way to round out the week and temperatures certainly dropped overnight into early this morning and a true fall taste as we look at the numbers yesterday we're in the 80s feeling like low 90s today 73 allentown and 77 in philadelphia and 74 in dover and at the shore, we just saw that live sky6 in atlantic city, beautiful there at 72 and a little cool in the poconos at 65 degrees. as we step out this evening once the sun sets, temperatures drop to around 70 at 8:00, 68 by 9:00 and 10:00 tonight high clouds moving in from the west with temperature of 66. stormtracker 6 live double scan we'll show changes are on the move right near chicago we have one weak, low area of pressure working to our north and west. and also of the carolinas, you can see another low working to the south and west. so these two as they skirt by will bring us a around of rain and we'll talk about the timing of it for the upcoming weekend an a bigger fall chill coming in next week. shirleen will have the details. >> i like more, bigger that's good. >> today marks the one-year anniversary of inferno that decimated four blocks of boardwalk in sea side park and seaside heights. it hit 60 businesses and funtown pier. the boards between the towns were replaced and businesses themselves were yet to be rebuilt. investigators determined age wiring comprised by water and sand from super storm sandy sparked that plays. as we have been reporting here rather extensively, atlantic city has fallen on really hard times as of late. this weekend it's getting a big boost. miss america fest activities are in full swing. annie mccormick checked in with the local hopefuls and they are competing for the crown this weekend. skies live with the action in atlantic city right now. hi, annie. >> hey, brian, for jersey native this say past time they welcome especially like you said right now the time cog not be better. they need a pick me up with all that happened in atlantic city. t we wish everybody the best of luck we like our favorites and wish them more like and today we caught up with all three. >> here they are hour miss america contestants, miss new jersey 21-year-old sierra kayla joe's from rutgers. >> the reason i started competing in the first place it was in my backyard. >> miss delaware britney louis lives in wilmington went to temple and grew up in brigatine. >> new jersey, pennsylvania, delaware this is my home where i grew up and where i received my college degrees and where i work this is my life. >> and miss pennsylvania amanda smith florida native attending carnegie mellon university. she won the talent for her vocals. >> they said pennsylvania i was like well took me by surprise. >> all three girls are among the 53 contestants who had a grueling week of preliminary competitions and reherlales for live tell vitiond show on abc sunday. last year the number of viewers at home soared. miss new jersey hopes the breath of life into the pageant hopes atlantic city the year of casino closures hit close to home from her. >> i'm daughter of two casino workers, they're capitalized on a source to help to look for the future. >> the second time in a row is now in new jersey again after it was taken away us from and brought to las vegas for several years. tonight they're doing something different they have never done before called miracle mile walk proceeds from that some of the proceeds will go to children's miracle network and tomorrow, is another favorite tradition, the show me your shoe parade will be tomorrow and again on sunday night on abc you can watch and see who gets the crown. for now reporting live in atlantic city, annie mccormick, "channel 6 action news," shirleen. >> can't wait for show me your shoes parade, thank you, annie, 6abc has all the miss america coverage tune in sunday beginning at 7:00 with countdown to the crown, melissa magee, matt o'donnell, karen rogers will have a live preview from atlantic city boardwalk and stay tuned 8 paeming for road to miss america followed by the miss america pageant which gets underway at 9 p.m. here on 6abc. >> and eventful weekend coming up and coming up next on "action news" at 4:00 today the dr. that performed joan river's final procedure is now out of a job. >> all you can eat bread sticks may be bad for business. olive garden investor wants to cut back on delicious carbs to boost sales. to boost sales. we'll >> police need your help tracking down the gunman that opened fire on a kensington street an suv. this is video of the driver by shoolting on 300 block of b street on august 31. an 18-year-old man was shot in the thigh and arm. but he is going to be okay. police hope someone will recognize chevy suv and lead them to the shooter. the dr. who performed that routine procedure on joan rivers one week before she died was asked to leave his clin ib. he stepped down medical direct to of yorkville endoscopy a gastro enter rollgist no longer performing procedures at that facility they declined cite a reason but sources tell "abc news" cohen allowed unauthorized specialist to examine rivers at the clinic before the procedure and she later went into cardiac arrest. >> pakistani officials say they arrested the entire gang that tried to kill teenage activist mulala sasssi. >> ten taliban members attacked her. she was then 15 and was reportedly targeted for advocating education for women. despite being shot in the head, that teenager maiden credible recovery and now lives in the uk where she continues to fights for gender equality. time for a check on business and trading slow making it first weekly loss since the start of august. the dow did not crack the 17,000 mark. and nasdaq and s&p 500 saw losses as well there. and olive garden sales have been hurting and according to one investor the bread sticks are part of the problem. and new critique hedge funds starboard value says receivers bring too many bread sticks to the table leading to waste and cold food. starboard value is dispointed in the liberal use of salad dressing and restaurant failure and salted walter and hedge fund surprise seeking to takeover the board of olive garden parent company garden restaurants sales sell 1.3% last quarter. >> see if it turns out to be the recipe for success. >> time for the "action news" traffic report. >> lets go to matt pellman traffic center. >> i may be the problem bringing too many bread sticks to the table. too many cars and the tractor-trailer got pushed off to the right side of the roadway on to the shoulder and it is still a slow going coming southbound from the airport through this point at 420 also pushed out a disabled tractor-trailer ramp schuylkill eastbound to passyunk and that's giving us big delays. it was out there for a while this afternoon. eastbound generally heavy whole way from the roosevelt boulevard to passyunk and as we get ready for the philadelphia opera 40th anniversary gala in center city tonight south broad is blocked. southbound completely, northbound only one lane gets by between locust and spruce. good sfot avoid this afternoon and septa buss notice area are running with detours because of the blockages. blockage earlier on the northbound, northeast extension because ever a crash approaching lansdale. everything is open now. speeds in the teens as you come away from mid county tolls and in mount laurel the ramp 295 northbound to 27 southbound is blocked because of overturned truck. exit 70 and take that to 7 3 southbound and crash moorestown at valley view terrace. let's grab the ipad and do the commuter report this friday afternoon. happy friday. still a great time of year to head down the shore. if you do that this afternoon watch for a vehicle stopped on the shoulder along the garden state parkway southbound and otherwise no huge issues at this point. we'll check it again shirleen coming up in the next half hour. >> see you soon, matt. >> price are slowly trickling downward at the pump. in philadelphia the average cost per gallon is 3.51 today down a penny overnight and the price had risen two cents over the past week and in delaware average is 3.41 and south jersey price 3.24. last month aaa predicted prices to drop through october due to manufacturing of lower cost winter blend gas and fewer drivers on the road. a few children are back at home after hit by a pickup truck while walking home from school. monica malpass is live in the newsroom with details on the remarkable recovery monica. >> brian, that's right this is mother's worst nightmare when two children were hit wednesday afternoon and less than 48 hours after it happened the 7-year-old and 10-year-old were listed in critical condition. but they're now back home and both are doing much better. and we will hear from the children and their entire family coming up tonight at 5. we'll have the story and a lot more coming your way on "action news" a bit. we'll see you then shirleen and brian. >> thank you, monica. we'll see you soon. still ahead at 4 dance students in the garden state get a lesson from the real master. >> and instead of getting rid of his kids ray rice jersey one dad created a well, not that kind of fresh. on the freshness of our chicken. but i can guarantee the freshness of our chicken because we go beyond what the usda requires... with extra inspections in american family owned farms, refrigerated trucks that deliver daily and everywhere in between. that's what it takes to bring your family a fresh tasting chicken. perdue. we believe in a better chicken. >> i wish you could hear him sing fred astair sammy davis junior tap dance legend moving melvin brown gave students a taste of what he's working with at the high school for creative and performing arts and ahead of his tribute to ray charles performance tonight at society hill play-out he took the time to mentor and inspire young talent. you can catch this show through september 21. he is truly a talent. >> incredible talent. >> it looks like they are having a blast there. >> it's time for a check of the weekend accuweather forecast. >> we'll get a mix of a lot of different things happening this weekend. >> it's a happening weekend and man he's one happy guy. >> i'll tell you that smile, it's on a someday like today everyone is smiling as we look at numbers and allentown, 73 degrees. same for reading. 77 and in philadelphia quite a change from yesterday's oppressive humidity and above normal temperatures. 7 at the boardwalk and dover and 74 degrees. and we look at dew points yesterday they were around 70 degrees when it felt oppressive and they have dropped back into the 50s and feels comfortable out. we kind after voided the atmosphere of some of that moisture hence bringing a little bit of lightness to the atmosphere. as we look at high school football forecast yes it's friday evening, mainly clear, very comfortable football like weather and 70 degrees 7:00 and by 10:00, 65. you may want to bring long sleeves if you head to one of your favorite games. as we look at satellite and radar couple things, couple changes going on. we have low pressure over the great lakes near chicago and also an area of low developing near the carolinas and both of these will be pushing to the north and east. kind of splitting our region. but we will get brushed by the two here on saturday. so as we look at future tracker, and figure out very early tomorrow morning, maybe a hit of sun. then you can watch clouds move in from the east off the ocean and clouds moving west squeezed hereby noon on saturday and then some of those showers or quick heavy downpour will pass through during the early to mid afternoon hours. so what to expect here on saturday. overall, it's cloudy. it's cool, rain developing. the wettest period. right now looks to be between noon and 6:00 around a quart to half inch of rain and if all goes well we have some saturday night plans in the evening and hopefully it dries out by then. as we look at satellite though over the tropics near the verge of coast of africa here the cape v era e island and eastern atlantic this area is tropical storm eduardo winds 45 miles an hour and we call it a fish storm because the motion will curve over the northern atlantic watt atlantic waters and not affect land. clouds will increase, it's comfortable, 50s in the suburbs and 6 for philadelphia as well as dover and 4-day at 4:00, 7 periods of rain and we quickly turn things around surngsd wall-to-wall sunshine, 7 degrees. staying comfortable monday, 77 and period of showers early tuesday. sunshine in the afternoon at 75. your 7-day coming up in the next half hour brian i'll let you know if we can warm the numbers or cool them. >> see new a bit, adam, thank you so much. nine men moved up ranks of newcastle county police department today. friend, family, dignitaries and several retired officers were on happened for promotion ceremony here at the public safety building and six of these men became sergant one a lieutenant one a woman one a captain and one major and recognition of a ♪ the world famous fries you love, plus a shake of three new flavors you add. introducing mcdonald's shakin' flavor fries. shake up something new to love at mcdonald's. >> time for a buzz a hollywood a lister is mourning death of her father actor nicole kid man's father psychologist tony kidman passed they are investigating it as unnatural death which commonly refers to a fall. kidman was in singapore tore visits his daughter and her six children. >> well rob ford is no longer seeking second term as toronto mayor. controversial politician is withdrawing from the upcoming mayoral race to deal with a medical issue. forld revealed doctors discovered a tumor in his abdomen. his brother registered to anyone his place. ford of course became notorious worldwide last year after admitting to using crack cocaine while in a drunken stew pour. >> president obama did in the impress at a school in washington yesterday. mr. obama and the first lady were there to help steve back packs for homeless chin. a young lady named madison spoke frankly admitting she expected the surprise guest to be the queen bee. >> through go. >> mr. president. >> yeah? >> when i first heard that somebody special was coming. >> yeah you thought -- >> i really want today to be beyonce. >> i understand. >> and then -- >> i understand. >> then i figured out. >> mall he aand sasha would feel the same way. >> that was good. madison made it up by the president following it up with saying she found out it was him and then she thought, it would be even better that it was him. it doesn't hurt his feelings. >> she was polite mr. president i was hoping it was not you. incredible. stild ahead packed edition of freebie friday and where to find coffee without paying for it. >> lots of other good stuff too. and plus a brand new concert venue is opening its doors and breathing new life into the economy in the lehigh valley. we'll take you live to the pp&l center in allentown. >> and they're off. more than 1,000 people begin a 60 mile journey to battle breast cancer. we check in with determined walkers taking part in the susan g komen three day when >> hello again the search for strangeers that saved a man's life on the streets of wilmington. >> and out of controversy comes a clever message. how one father transformed the ray rice scandal into a powerful lesson for his children. first to a new symbol of home in the lehigh valley and comes in the form of a brand new arena designed to revamp the economy in allentown. businesses are banking on the state of the art pp&l center to draw hundreds of thousands of people to the region and the very first concert gets underway tonight. for more on the potential impact we go live to "action news" reporter john rawlins. hi, john. >> reporter: hi, shirleen, pp&l senter is a nice new arena seats 8500 for sports and 10,000 for concerts and the folks who run allentown hope it will be much, much more. they hope this arena will play a major role in turn around downtown allentown's economic fortunes. app army of workers today readyying the 177 million dollar pp&l center. >> a 10,000 seat multi-purpose event center. >> tonight's inaugural event the classic rock group eagles and plan to host 1 40 diverse events here the first year. >> professional bull riders, judeist priest. college basketball games later in the year, villanova lehigh in november and drexel in september. >> phantoms that iced to play at the spectrum. >> we're excited to bring the phantoms back to pennsylvania in this region. people in philadelphia very familiar with the brand. >> the city is banking thon sent to bring in up to a million visitors a year downtown. part of aggressive effort to bring jobs back after decades of decay. >> we need it. we need it. it seemed like it was almost a ghost town. everybody and everything, moving out. >> because niz, neighborhood investment -- filled with workers that go to new restaurants and want housing the mayor says it's all working. >> altogether a million square feet of office space and over 2,000 jobs coming back to the urban force and 6 new restaurants on this block alone and plus this facility -- >> reporter: well this facility, of course, being pp&l center and tonight is opening night and it's 8:00, the egg eagles. that's when the main event starts. liver in allentown, john rawlins "channel 6 action news," shirleen. >> thank you, john, following a new story from delaware newsroom a high angle rescue team spent an hour saving a tree trimmer that became stuck in a tree in claymont this afternoon. we're told he fell about 20 to 30 feet and landed on a hor net's nest. chopper 6 was over the 500 block west holly oak road as crews lifted the unconscious man to the ground and took him to the hospital. he's being treated for bee stings and deep cuts suffered during his fall. >> we've got the new video today armed robber that ambushed a 7-eleven clerk during cigarette break in in oxford circle the suspect pulled a gun on the employee as he walked back inside the store cottman avenue early yesterday. the gunman mavrked his face with blue and white bandana as he ordered the clerk to hand over the cash. the suspect left with money and cigarettes and no one was hurt. if you recognize him, please call philadelphia police. a convicted school shooter is back behind bars now following daring escape from ohio state prison. 19-year-old t. j. lane scaled a fence last night setting offer a six-hour manhunt that ended 100 yards away when authorities found him hiding near a church. his brief taste of freedom opened old wounds in the hometown where people are healing from the rampage that killed three shardan high school students in 2012. the school decided to cancel classes today in the wake of that scare. there is a touching new message from the family of a gun instructor accidentally killed by a 9-year-old girl. the new jersey child lost control of uzi when learning how to shoot at a resort in las vegas the gun recoiled and a stray bullet killed her instructor. now his children have sent the girl a letter telling her it's okay to move forward with her life. they said they are wishing her peace because their dad would want the same thing. the well-known web site and marketing agency, visit philadelphia, is under investigation for how it handled embezzlement case. sources tell "action news" the chief financial officer joyce leavitt stole 210,000 dollars from the publicly funded agency and she was allowed to resign rather than face criminal charge when's she paid the money back. visits philadelphia handled the theft internally and did not report it to police. the philadelphia district attorney's office is now investigating how the agency handled the matter when it was first uncovered. authorities in newark, delaware say they caught a heroin dealer that was just 14 years old. police were patrolling near the intersection of colonial circle and arnold court when they saw the boy selling drugs to several people. when officers approached the teen he threw 25 bags of heroin on to the ground. he was quickly arrested at the scene. he remains in custody at the new castle county detention center today. >> well 76-year-old wilmington man is alive this afternoon because of intervention of a good samaritan and now police want to find the man and say thank you. investigators say the man collapsed here at the 6th and king streets intersection on wednesday falling right into the road. well according to witnesses another man nearby jumped into action administering cpr until paramedics got there. >> we would like to contact that good samaritan and recognize him the police department would like to recognize him for a deed well done. >> victim was taken top st. frances hospital in stable condition at last check. if you have any information as to the iowa of that good sam ar tap you're asked to call wilmington police. >> meteorologist adam joseph join is us now and adam i know it's a tall order. >> right. >> we would like to see today over and over and over again. >> infinity. >> all i the way through it's impossible but i can give you five of the 7 days. >> oh, >> is that okay/. >> we were not expecting sglat better than half. >> i'll take it. >> as we look live now in the poconos the sun is shining just 65 degrees. dew point nice and low. and in the 40s with light northerly wind at 8 miles an hour and as we look at cape may sky6 water calm with ocean temperature warm at 73 and air temperature 7 and wind light out of the south east. speaking of water temperatures, september is one of the best months to hit the shore because you know what rentals are cheaper and water is still warm and it's not as crowded and you can see the water temperature still generally in the 7 0s. we'll talk about that overall beautiful 7-day forecast with a couple of periods of rain splashed here tlaep we'll have it all for you in the 7-day. >> thank you, adam. >> hundreds are joining the battle against breast cancer by hitting the pavement in weekend the susan g komen three day walk is underway and "action news" reporter katherine scott was there for the kickoff. >> reporter: this 60-mile walk began with these steps in willow grove and each step on the susan g. komen three day is important and they're for the cure. >> i walk for those gone and those who survived. >> my friend of 42 years lost her mom to breast cancer so here we are walking for the next three days together. >> kathy heck is walking for the 7th time here to honor her mom who battled breast cancer in 2008. >> kathy has a battle of her own. >> 2013 diagnosed with ovarian cancer two weeks out of chemo i have a lot of reasons and walk and show strength and energy and give empower mment to all women so no one else has to fight this horrible disease. >> zumba warm-up started the day in willow grove and energy was still going strong as they walked in orlan and cheered on along the way. there are somber moments, moments to comfort one another and lend support and make each other smile. a group united by a common goal. >> we walk until we find a cure. >> we always walked with my sister we wanted to find a cure for her. last year we walked because we were mad we lost her she would have walked. >> more than 1300 people are walking this weekend, pink as far as the eye can see. and since 2005 philadelphia three day raised more than 54 million tlarz. >> i do it for everybody and especially for my daughter who is ten and i don't want her to grow newspaper a world with cancer. >> these walkers have a lot of miles left to cover they wrap up sunday in the navy yard. katherine scott, chapel 6abc news. >> love when it comes to neighborhoods. >> and great pink eye lashes. >> great. >> got love it. >> much more to come on "action news" including a whole week of yoga that will cost you nothing. details in today's edition of freebie friday. >> and an emotional make under the compassionate reason one stunning model transformed her face. >> and bomb threat shakes nerves on an virsy of 9/11 and one passenger pulled off disruptive hope. >> meteorologist adam joseph back with the full accuweather forecast when "action news" at 4:00 continues on a beautiful forecast when "action news" at 4:00 continues on a beautiful friday save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.d everybody knows that. well, did you know pinocchio was a bad motivational speaker? i look around this room and i see nothing but untapped potential. you have potential. you have...oh boy. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. some of the fbi ainvestigating bomb threats from see at toll denver yesterday. a paerm renamed his wireless hot spot bomb location seat 19 e. the plane pulled off to a side tarmac where officers boarded jetliner and took that passenger to custody. though they determined it was a hoax that man could and likely will, still face charges. now to texas where some parents are are furious about a homework assignment given to their children and the topic, the terror group isis. 11 years were asked to write a one page paper based on news article about the screamists and their be heading and be heading of two american journalists. now, two parents have filed formal complaints. stating that executions are not an age appropriate topic for preteens. >> i think this is a bit much for an 11-year-old. i think it's more into the freshman, high school, they're still learning about life. they're still going to playgrounds. >> there's a lot of different things you can write a narrative on and you know be headings in the middle east and american foreign policy should not be one of them for sixth graders. >> in a statement the school district called isis a sad reality that junior high school restaurants likely already aware of and there's no plan to reprimand the teachers who gave the assignment. in "healthcheck" at 4:00 we all heard of so-called fat shaming and emotional pain it can cause. are you searchers say it could thread more weight gain. findings are from a study of 3,000 overweight arrow piece adults and those who felt discriminated against because their parents put on more pounds mostly comfort eating compared to those that did not experience harassment at all. scientists say their study proof that fat shaming is part of obesity problem and not solution. a you to to the big board and big talkers and we'll begin with this incredible story here makeover that has a lot of people talking. it had nothing to do with vanity and everything to do with empathy. this is megan morewood transfrormd clear skin mod toll someone suffering from severe ak me. turns out makeup artist from skin clinic covered her face with fake pimples the reason her little sister suffer from adult acne she wanted to share in and experience that. >> i left the studio it's not all the people judging me it's more about how i feel about myself and my self-esteem and i already feel less confident and that's something that my sister had to deal with for years. >> and well the campaign is meant top raise awareness what acne sufferors go through and encourage compassion you can read more about that campaign by going to our web site 6abc.com and lots of people talking about this one shirleen. >> incredible story, thank you brian. >> and let's get another check on the roads this afternoon. matt pellman in the "action news" traffic center with an update for you hi there, matt. >> a perfect afternoon weather-wise shirleen i certainly hope you're not expecting same from the traffic. it's far from perfect on very busy afternoon and we're watching a crash on the vine expressway westbound approaching ben franklin parkway. a lot of emergency crews are on the scene. couple veekz involved and just the right lane is squeezing by. so you know how long it takes to really cause a mess with delays on the vine. not too long. we're at a stand still coming off 95 through this point through the ben franklin parkway and stay on the local vine or local city streets instead of vine street expressway this afternoon. 95 southbound delco we have a tractor-trailer accident 420 with slow speeds near philadelphia international airport and getting ready for the big philadelphia opera 40th anniversary gala in center city tonight and south broad street southbound completely blocked and northbound one lane gets by and that causes gridlock this afternoon. crash new garden chester county new port pike lime phone road also a blockage in lumberton because of police activity. 30 westbound by goodyear auto service septemberer and staying on 537 washington street and the highway as alternate. several issues 295 over turned truck earlier this afternoon open the ramp northbound side to 7 southbound. that ramp is still partially blocked. i think i bail at 70 and run 73 southbound and then further north past mount holly willingboro there's a spill blocking the shoulder. we'll check it out in the 5:00 hour. >> thanks again as always matt accuweather coming up straight ahead and stepping outside sky6 looking live at atlantic city today. >> yup, meteorologist adam joseph will have the weekend forecast and and you want to get an mba. but going back to school is hard. because you work. now capella university offers a revolutionary new way to get your degree. it's called flexpath, and it's the most direct path, leveraging what you've learned on the job and focusing on what you need to know. so you can get a degree at your pace and graduate at the speed of you. flexpath from capella university. learn about all of our programs at capella.edu. >> the "action news" forecast. >> for those that want to repeat read a book tomorrow perfect day and outdoor yard work perfect day on sunday. you have favorites ever the two. if we look right now live on sky6 high definition shot a few cirrus clouds upstairs and very cool temperatures and pushed in overnight dropping humidity and bringing that fall feeling in on late summer day and we have accuweather lineup and temperatures and satellite radar pushing in tomorrow. for now blue skies and cirrus clouds and nothing on double scan live and temperatures below average 73 allentown as well as reading and 65 in poconos and 75 in millville and at the shore a little seabreeze refreshing feeling like 71. as we look at satellite and radar you see this nice, clear wedge of sunshine we have high clouds west and clouds to the south and as we widen out we have low pressure over kick chick and low pressure over the carolinas and both are aim together north and east. and that eventually will brush some rain our way. and in fact future tracker shows clouds spilling in tomorrow morning from the ocean and clouds working in from the west a little bit of sun early in the morning and clouds quickly takeover during the mid-morning to right around lunchtime hour and showers come in during the afternoon this is at 4:30 you see a general light rain pockets of moderate rain and starts to exit by the evening hours. and beyond that though the jet stream will push west to east. more zonal flow. fall feeling to the north of the jet stream and summer down to the south. that's monday. as we go beyond that next week fall takes control of the jet stream taken stays endplay. ocean temperature 7. over the weekend, tomorrow, it's a wet day with afternoon rain of 74. and then much better sunny and nice on sunday with a temperature dropping to around 71 and if you are in the poconos and tomorrow like the shower shower at times and rainy and 611. very cool rain and on sunday only 64. sunshine and just a few clouds. but we'll feel pretty good with with actual sunshine second half of the weekend. tonight clouds increase late tonight and comfortable and yet again 54 suburbs and 62 for center city and your exclusive accuweather forecast 70 tomorrow. periods of rain. georgous sunday 73. still low humidity and lot of sun monday of 77 and weak system comes through with showers for morning rush on tuesday. returning sun in the afternoon of 75. and another cool push of air comes in wednesday, thursday, and friday with below normal temperatures and highs in the low 70s. overnight lows in the 40s and 50s so that taste of fall right around -- this is perfect time for apple picking ! >> yes. >> maybe i'll make you apple pie. >> i hope you will. >> holding you to it. >> not you, rick.l. >> bad rick. >> now to the story of the dad getting a lot of attention fortuneing ugly ray rice story into an invaluable lifelesson for his kids. 6-year-old brin bartlett is posing in one-of-a-kind ravens jersey her dad brian was struggling with what to do with the little girl's jersey following nfl scandal you saw what he did hit up craft store bought extra letters and changed message from rice to be nice girls. >> before we made the shirt we talked to both kids and told them that they know no matter how mad they get frustrated they get they don't hit anybody not a girl, boy, anybody. >> good dad and lucky girl right there. that photo and message of turning something negative into something nice since has been viewed and shared hundreds of something nice since has been viewed and shared hundreds of thousands >> beginning tuesday mcdonald's is offering customers free small coffee during breakfast hours no purchase necessary and no strings attached. we like that one. and, while you're marking calendar you may as well mark this thursday as well. that's because you can get a free 6 ounce cup of queso dip at moe's southwestern glil honor of free queso day. and in honor of national yoga month starting now through october 30 new students can get a card good for one week of free yoga for one of over,000 studios across the can'ty including dozens in our area. i think i just swiped away one of the freebies to tell you about it and speaking of health you can get free health screening sam's club stores with farm pharmacies tomorrow afternoon and licensed technicians will administer klol, diabetes, and blood pressure. let me be gentler with this guy here. okay, there we go. finally national museum of american jewish history offering free admission this wednesday in honor of roberto clemente day. you can learn about clementi the first latino hall of famer and other barrier breakers at the museum from 10 team 8 p.m. for details on how to get all of these freebies plus a bonus deal log on to 6abc.com. brian. >> you tell the big board who is boss shirleen thank you. that will do it for "action news" at 4:00 today. for brian taff, shirleen alicott, alicia vitareli, we're back for an hour of news for "action news" at 10 on phl17. here's rick williams and monica malpass with a look what the is coming up next at 5:00. hi, guys. >> hi there. coming up next at 5:00 we're following guilty verdict in the trial of christina regusters what's next in the case that includes a lawsuit against the philadelphia school district. >> plus we'll hear the latest on respiratory illness surfacing in delaware and message from local doctors straight ahead. >> those stories and more >> more that a year and a half after she ab ducked a little 5-year-old girl from a west philadelphia elementary school christina regusters is found gilingttive kidnapping and assaulting the young child and faces the possibilities of spending the rest of her life in prison. the big story on "action news" you is that guilty verdict in the trial of christina regusters. >> it took the jury six hours to reach a decision. >> david himry live outside the chris justice center when the verdict was announced david. >> reporter: now that the jury has spoken this case is closed. all that remains is sentencing now for christina regusters and she could get life in 3reuz prison. her victim will carry physical and psychological scars for the rest of her life. >> i cannot imagine what she endured at the hands of this monster. >> 21-year-old christina regusters kidnapped a 5-year-old girl her classroom at bryant elementary school in january of 2013. she kept the girl naked under her bed and sexually abused her causing life altering injuries. a day later she left the girl alone after dark at a park dressed only in a tee shirt. police later closed in on regusters with the girl's help. >> the child miraculously was able to identify this home from the back stairway and new there was a sglird this is marty the bird videotaped by police inside regusters home. the victim remembered hearing a talking bird and when neighbors pointed out a house with a talking bird investigators say the help they got from a young victim was extraordinary. >> especially being a 5-year-old child that went through 19 hours of the most horrific ordeal that mathable. >> this say child able to provide more detail and more information than most adults. she's amazing courageous child and hopefully this gives her some closure. >> but the legal fallout from this case will continue. the school district of philadelphia has been slapped

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>> i don't think anyone knows more about campaign finance than i do because i'm the biggest contributor. it's a very complex thing. as an example, i'm allowed to give $1,000 to every senator, right? this was 20 years ago, $1,000. i love it because i'm capped out at $20,000 per senator. you have other ways. >> you can't write this stuff. laura coates is back with me. also joining me is jack quinn and julia cayenne. there is a lot to get to. the new folks who joined, i'm bringing you in first. jack, let's start with barr and how his memo was in a fatally misconstrued view. what do you make of this? >> it sound like an echo of rudy giuliani. the argument is the president can do anything that touches on the enumerated powers in the constitution for a president, and he's above the law, nobody can question him, nobody can indict him and so on. the fact is that argument is not going to stand. no one is above the law. the president is not above the law, donald trump is not above the law, and most importantly, he cannot carry out the powers of his office in a corrupt manner. so, for example, i mean, it should be obvious to everyone that it would be prosecutable if the president of the united states were to sell an ambassadorship or a cabinet position or any other position in the executive branch taking a bribe and appointing someone to that office. the constitution just does not contemplate that. the oath of office requires him to swear that he will faithfully execute the office of president, and look, i think at the end of the day, all these issues may have to be decided by a court, and i'm confident that a court will rule that, like richard nixon, the president in this case is not above the law. >> let's stick to it right now. renato, this puts trump's observation of barr in a new light. >> absolutely. first of all, i think the first question is, don, did trump know about this memo and other views of barr's when he nominated him? in other words, was this nomination in part because, just like he wanted with sessions, he wanted somebody in sessions who was going to quash the mueller probe, did he find a new guy who wants to do the same thing? this reaction by barr really raises questions about the intense views he has about mueller, his temperament and his judgment. first of all, when you're a former government official, you don't just on a whim write a 20-page memo and send it to your former colleagues. it's pretty weird. it's something you would spend a lot of time doing, time you could otherwise spend making a lot of money for your clients in private practice. so it's very unusual. and the language he uses to me is intemporate. it's possible you could have a different view of the law than jack and me and julia. i appreciate people who have different points of view. but to say mueller is so grossly inappropriate, that he's so far out of bounds, to use the language he uses here makes me think he has an agenda here, that he has a very, very strong feeling that would make it improper for him to be moderate and appropriate in his supervision of mueller. >> this was certainly an unsolicited memo, juliet, sent to the doj. he describes the mueller probe as grossly irresponsible. what would an attorney general like barr mean for this administration? >> it would be a disaster in terms of him having the authority to at least restrict the mueller investigation. i view this memo as a cover letter to a resume. i think there is no question in my mind now that barr was -- that barr was doing what a lot of people on the outside do. they're on tv, they're saying the right things, so he sends it. and think what reynardo was saying. this is the former attorney general writing to the deputy attorney general. i'm very dur ycurious, did the department of justice reply and what was their reply? i know in government when i worked at an agency, if they wrote something, we would have to reply because it's just something you have to do. i'm curious if there is a reply about what they think. but just going back to barr very quickly, i take the view, and i know others do, too, that it's probably too late to restrict everything that mueller has unleashed. and that's including the state ag's who are obviously very active as well as the new york federal courts. but nonetheless, he can make life very difficult for mueller, and this should go straight to his ability to be attorney general at this stage. and i think it is right of republicans and democrats to raise serious concerns at this stage. >> you're getting to where i want to go with this because i think it's really important. i want to bring back in these two. >> the biggest problem for trump is the reason why he antagonized him the way he did. look, you've got a financial vested interest in this investigation. you have to recuse yourself, you're disqualified because there will be impartiality problems with it. because you're a surrogate, you may have an active part of the investigation. this is a little different for this person, barr, because even though he has inserted himself in the controversy and the discussions, he doesn't have the same type of relationship that jeff sessions had that may compel the ethics group to say, listen, you may be a part of the investigation. however, he still does have the really big conundrum of you can't possibly be seen as impartial in this case. we don't like injustice to have even the hint of impropriety, let alone a 20-page memo that says you are not appropriate to be doing this. barr says he knows exactly what mueller is investigating. mueller has never actually defined the full parameters of his mandate, he simply has gone about investigating, so he has assumed, which makes an ass for you and me, that obstruction is the end game here. >> you bring it back to everything. let me ask you this, tim, and i want to you weigh in on what this all means. because the memo reportedly also says that mueller should not be permitted to demand that the president submit to interrogation about alleged obstruction. that would certainly make team trump happy, but do you think that this -- we've seen this all before. >> with this memo, barr either wants to be the president's adviser in the white house or the attorney general. the president is thinking, great, i can get somebody in as attorney general who is going to put it to bob mueller. trump thinks the attorney general is his lawyer. he's the people's lawyer. he's the lawyer for the citizens of this country. trump doesn't get that. if barr is confirmed, and he is confirmable. he's already been attorney general back a quarter century ago, okay? he will certainly be grilled on why he has this vicious animous toward robert mueller, and if he is confirmed, the ethics folks and main justice are going to have a talk with him and say, general, how can you presume to oversee bob mueller when you think that mueller has been out of bounds? when you think that mueller doesn't have the power to investigate this person, to investigate what happened during the campaign with links to russia. to investigate obstruction of justice when he fired jim comey and to investigate money. we know trump. we're new yorkers. we've been knowing trump for a long time. it's always about money with this guy. >> you don't know how many times i've said that on this show. >> and bob mueller is looking at his money. >> yeah. and he doesn't like that. >> no, he does not. >> he does not like that. so speaking of money -- following the money, that's what everybody says, following the money, right? let's talk about the president's past comments about campaign finance that have resurfaced now. the president didn't show an understanding of campaign finance law. in an affidavit, he even bragged about it on tv. what's the legal significance of this? >> so in order to prove trump's guilt of a campaign finance crime, prosecutors would actually have to prove that he knew he was doing something unlawful at the time. now, ordinarily you would think, okay, that's going to be very challenging to prove that an ordinary citizen knew this. but look, you literally just showed the tape, don. here he is bragging about it. on other occasions he is also, you know, suggested that he knew something about it, and of course, the mere structure of these transactions and the way he went about hiding it shows that he was trying to escape the law. you know, don't forget i was talking recently to some election lawyers, prominent ones, who reminded me the president had one of the most prominent election lawyers in the country on his campaign, don mcgahn. he had a full compliance staff, and instead of going to them, he went around them to cohen and structured these transactions in this very bizarre way to hide these payments. it certainly suggested evidence of wrongdoing. >> everybody's head is shaking here in the studio and i would imagine everybody in other places as well. we have so much to talk about. i'm sorry, we're out of time. thank you for coming over and thank you for joining us, you folks via satellite. the president ordering american troops out of syria and he's getting pushback from the usa, his colleagues and even syria. once i started looking for it was a no-brainer. i switched to geico and saved hundreds. that's a win. but it's not the only reason i switched. the geico app makes it easy to manage my policy. i can pay my bill, add a new driver, or even file a claim. woo, hey now! that's a win-win. thank you! switch to geico®. it's a win-win. i couldn't catch my breath. it was the last song of the night. it felt like my heart was skipping beats. they said i had afib. what's afib? 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>> on the campaign trail he attacked obama very hard because he said, you withdrew troops from iraq and that allowed isis to occupy the space in that no man's land and that political vacuum, and you created isis. it's not entirely clear if that's accurate because isis didn't even exist and the forces that allowed it to form were not related to obama, but here for sure isis exists. it has been beaten down, but if you withdraw, then the pressure that has kept it down is released. and it's quite possible that isis will be able to come back up. on the other side of it, it's 2,000 american troops. it's not a large commitment. you have a lot of support from kurds, from kurdish forces. you have others in the region who have been supporting it, so the puzzle here is you had a pretty low-cost american strategy that was yielding some results. isis was being destroyed. it was being supported by saudi arabia, jordan, egypt, all the neighboring countries. the only country -- i have to bring this up. the only country that was resolutely opposed to the american presence was russia. so the whole thing feels weird, a very impulsive sudden decision, it wasn't costing a lot to stay there, and the only one who has cheered it is russia. they sent a note saying, this is great. >> you see it as a big win for russia, for syria and iran? >> those are the forces that have been supporting the government of assad and this takes the pressure off the government of assad . if you're trying to get to a new level of government with syria, you take your troops off the ground. we had very little leverage in syria. this was the leverage we had. it wasn't costing us a lot, it was achieving some results. obama had actually been quite cautious about how much he put into syria. this was, in many ways, a continuation of the obama strategy. all i can think of is either donald trump decided, i'm going to fulfill my campaign pledge of saying i'm going to get us out of syria, or, as i said, for some reason he feels like it's worth doing something that sends a good signal to the russians. it certainly isn't true that isis is defeated, so the pri prima facie rationale for it is just false. isis is no more defeated than it was six months ago. >> is this a mission accomplished moment? >> it's a mission accomplished moment, but it feels different than that. obama believed they had really turned a corner. here trump got fed up, lost interest, and it also could be that with donald trump it's not about people, it's not about policy. he used to like mattis, secretary of defense. he used to call him mad dog, my general. something about the relationship has soured. mattis may have pushed back in too many meetings. trump doesn't like mattis, he may not like the advice mattis is giving and trump wants to get out of syria. >> why are you getting rid of this? because obama put it in place. that's really the only rationale he can come up with. as i mentioned, his staff and everybody in the white house is furious. here's senator lindsey graham. >> i'm shocked by this. i think this is a decision that is against sound military advice, and i intend to do our part as a congress and make sure that history records how this decision was made. we have betrayed our kurdish allies if this decision stands. if it's reversed, i'll be the first one to applaud the president because that's true leadership. >> a group of bipartisan senators sent a letter to the president urging him to change his mind, to not do this. i haven't seen this much pushback from members of the president's own party since jamal khashoggi. >> yeah, i think part of the problem is it's so sudden, it's so impulsive. once trump got into the white house, after a few months he came to the conclusion it was important to stay in syria, it wasn't costing us a lot, it was keeping pressure, it was giving us the opportunity to try to forge some kind of political settlement, and then suddenly with no explanation, with no telegraphing, as you say, all the allies are shocked, european allies are shocked, nobody seems to understand what's going on. one more piece of this which is interesting, it's a little complicated, but our closest allies in the fight against the assad regime are the kurds in syria. the turkish government doesn't like those guys. we just concluded a big armed sales to turkey. is it possible that part of what erdogan asked for in return, i'll buy these arms from you, but in return you have to get out of syria. it's possible. nobody knows. partly i think i'm trying to find a reason. it's because it's been so impulsive, it's been so unpredictable and it doesn't seem to follow any particular strategic rationale. one of the things the senate should do, i think, is call in some people and say, what prompted this? where is the evidence that isis is destroyed? what resulted in three months ago the administration, including the president, i think, were saying, we're in syria, we're going to stay in syria, we're going to beat these people up. suddenly it all changed. what changed? >> you don't think he ran this by anyone? >> no, i don't. people don't understand how policy is made. when are policies going to be continued, when are athey going to be reversed? you have a national security staff that is not fully staffed, a council that is not fully staffed, you have an economic council that is not fully staffed. it just adds to this feeling of amateur hour in the white house. >> thank you, fareed zakaria, i appreciate your time. don't miss "fareed zakaria" sunday at 10:00 a.m. eastern. the president is giving himself a pat on the back for a job well done. is his legacy really anything to brag about? this is peggy. 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>> you have said throughout this process that you will support the republican presidential nominee, now you have a presumptive nominee, donald trump. will you support him? >> well, to be perfectly candid with you, jake, i'm just not ready to do that at this point. i'm not there now. i hope to and i want to, but i think what is required is that we unify this party. >> so it didn't matter how ready or not speaker ryan was, because trump became president. and the two men, along with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, well, they got a big tax cut mostly for corporations. the tax cuts led to more than $1 trillion in stock buybacks, helping shareholders and corporations. the cuts were meant to put more money in the pockets of the middle class and kickstart the economy. but since the law was signed, deficits, which paul ryan is supposedly against, are soaring. the stock market is now falling and the bulk of the benefits have not trickled down to workers' pockets. remember when speaker ryan tweeted, touting the story of a secretary in a public high school in pennsylvania? because of the cuts, her pay went up $1.50 a week. $1.50 a week. that adds up to $78 a year. ryan quickly removed that tweet after critics said he was appearing out of touch with reality. maybe washington does that to you. i want to bring you now former republican congressman charlie dent and allison stewart. paul ryan is out. do you think he wanted to speak out more but felt he couldn't because, i don't know, maybe he would get criticism or what, but isn't that leadership? >> well, i'll tell you what, i do believe that paul ryan wanted to speak out more. if you remember what happened during the "access hollywood" issue, when that story broke, there was a conference call among all house republicans that monday after the weekend. and at that time paul ryan said he was only going to campaign for house republicans and the president was on his own. i was one of the 11 people who spoke in that call, and i agreed with paul, and he got no support with anyone else. everyone else in the call said you need to stand by the nominee. after that i felt paul was always chasten, always looking over his right shoulder. i believe he could have lost his speaker position over it, so i believe that's the main reason he didn't push back more. >> why would it matter, because he said he didn't want to be speaker in the first place. that's what he said. >> i guess if he wasn't going to run anymore, why not push back? i felt he should have pushed back more. he had every opportunity to. there were times he spoke up, but i felt it should have been stronger. in fact, more of the leadership should have been speaking out more because look what happened in the midterm, simply embracing the president and not condemning some of his incendiary comments, and it didn't go well. >> all those people who thought if they criticized the president, they would get kicked out of office. maybe the strategy was wrong. allison, it will be a new year for house republicans. are they ready to be the minority, do you think? >> it's going to be an uphill battle. speaker ryan did accomplish a lot of things when he was here. the tax reform bill has some positive aspects, the first major tax overhaul in 31 years. look at the overall economy. we have 2.3 million jobs created this year. the unemployment rate, the lowest in 50 years. all of this goes to a strong economy which i think speaker ryan has a lot to hang his hat on in that regard. could he have gone to fight against trump at every turn? he he certainly could have. there was probably a lot in him that wanted to do that, but they never would have gotten anything done. he realized at the end of the day that president trump won the will of the people, certainly the republican base supported him, and in order to move the ball down the field on issues that he was concerned with and he was behind, he needed to support the president. we heard a lot of his speech today on what his next chapter will be. i don't think his legacy has been set yet. he indicated a lot of things about the current discourse in washington and the critical nature of it and how it's important to look at solutions instead of this criticism that we currently have, and i think that's what he's going to do. >> i have to run. but i think his future as a lawmaker is pretty much done unless he decides to run for president or decides to run again. i think this will be part of his legacy. i'm not sure he was thinking about that when he got on the trump train or he didn't push back as much as he should have. i think his legacy would have been stronger had he done that. i have to run. thank you both. my next guest has a story you have to hear. he's a black musician rejected from membership in a rifle club in charleston, south carolina whose members all happen to be white. he said he was embarrassed and disappointed. he joins me next. ordinary eggs? 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>> there was 14 people up there and i was the only one who didn't get voted in. >> they tried to change the rules, you didn't get voted in. one of the friends who co-sponsored you called the whole process disgusting and despicable. is there any doubt in your mind that this is because of racism? >> i've been trying to stay away about making proclamations of why i didn't get in. when your name is submitted, people have a chance to voice objections. nobody voiced any objections. then i didn't get voted in. no one offered an explanation. when i looked at the applicants, i tried to see what was different from them and me. they were from all walks of life, some were veterans like myself. i didn't get in so i can only come to one conclusion. >> you had been a guest at the club on several occasions before you applied to be a member. >> yes. lots of occasions. >> was it a case of being nice to your face as long as you weren't trying to belong or become a member? >> again, you're talking -- i can't talk to people who voted against me because i don't know them. when i would go, i was a guest of friends of mine from growing up in charleston, friends of mine from med school and different people in the neighborhood. so as far as i knew, i was accepted and having a great time and enjoying my time with my friends. but, again, i knew the history of the club and it has a huge membership, and they can't represent the entire membership. >> maybe you might have thought that times have changed, as your friends have said, because during your last military posting in jacksonville, florida, i understand you had been accepted into a nearly all-white yacht club and it was a good experience, right? maybe that is -- >> yeah. i'd be lying if i didn't say that gave me momentum. that happened shortly before i retired and moved back to charleston. charleston has always been -- i love my city and it's always been kind of an island in a red state. and i was in jacksonville which to me was the deep south. when i was approached about joining the florida yacht club, i said, oh, heck no, that's not going to happen. again, friends were saying, no, this is different. i applied, i got in. so i thought maybe i need to see this. >> i have 10 seconds left. how do you explain this to your children? >> i try not to push the negative. i push the positive. the best way to get to know people is to just engage, be there, be involved, just make friends with people. that's what's worked for me in the military and my life, just engage with people. most people are kind of warm but there are some who make a decision before they meet you, and you can't change that sometimes. >> the producer gods have granted us a little more time so i'm going to ask you another question, if i can. >> okay. >> do you believe this is an attitude of an isolated group of men at this club, or do you think there is a wider problem itself in charleston or maybe beyond? >> in my particular case, i think it was a few people who are holding the club hostage. but in general, i think that this is one of the last bastiens to -- i don't want to sound like an advocate, but i guess i am -- level the playing field. you have programs like affirmative action, you have corporations with diversity officers. what's really left is parody and public education and also social settings. a lot of my friends get these jobs, but if you're not able to socialize with everyone, you're kind of left out of the pot. i think if we overcome the social barriers, if we're hanging out outside of work, it makes the playing field feel much more even. that's what we can take away from this. >> i enjoyed speaking to you and thank you so much for coming on. merry christmas to you. >> i appreciate you having me. i can't believe i'm on tv. >> well, you are. thank you, sir. >> thank you. we'll be right back. meet the roots. a family with a serious root problem. they see a bit of gray and think... 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>> it is, don. he was a very nice man, very humble, very accomplished in every way, but it shows that black folks always have to have somebody to vouch for them. how many more accomplishments did the good doctor need to be accepted into a club, and i just can't get over the visual of people picking up white marbles and black marbles and the white marbles means you're okay, angel food cake all the way, and the black marbles means you're not going in, devil food cake all the way. there's something insidious about this and another reminder we have many more miles to go in this country, that all is not well. >> i don't mean to laugh but you caught me off-guard with that angel food cake. that was pretty good. listen, his friends are outraged and rightfully so calling the incident despicable. the town is embarrassed, organizations are shunning the club. is that enough? will any of this lead to real change you think? >> i think they're seeing a huge blow back. look, they're a private club. they have a right to refuse anyone they want. >> and you live in charleston, by the way. >> it doesn't make it right to do by any stretch of the imagination. as a matter of fact i have 20 acres on the intercoastal, he can shoot with me anytime he wants and it won't cost him a dime. but the way charleston handled that, i don't think this is indicative of charleston or the vast majority of the people that live there. it is a very diverse community and we have joined hands through some very difficult times, and there's still a few of these folks that think like this, but the vast majority of people in charleston are not like this at all. >> he seems to think there was an indictment on a larger society there. that's his words. i know you think it's different. but what do you make of this blow back in town? >> as i read more about this story you've seen a lot of the schools associated with the club, a lot of the groups associated with the club have 100% withdrawn from their involvement whatsoever. social events that took place at the club from other clubs have now removed themselves. i saw the private school had withdrawn from it. so several things that they had done with other groups, the other groups have now backed off and said we don't want any involvement with you. so they are getting some repercussions that may eventually cause change, positive change. >> can i talk about another story because you actually tweeted about it today. >> yes. >> i want to talk about another case about living while black. he tried to cash his paycheck at a new job and ended up in handcuffs because bank tellers thought he was cashing a fraudulent check and called 911. >> first of all, it's my hometown. the greater cleveland area. but you can't even bank while black. i want people to wrap their minds around this. he went in there, his first paycheck, gave his two i.d.s and also his fingerprints. the teller suspected it was fraudulent, called over other people. we need to puts ourselves in his position. he's embarrassed. they ultimately say he can't cash this check, they call his employer, his employer doesn't answer and instead of letting him go on his merry way, they decide to call police. we know so many times in this country calling the police on a black man or a black woman in this country can get you dead. they call police, he's handcuffed, arrested, put in the back of a cruiser and finally gets ahold of his employer who vouches for him. again, it goes back to my point that far too often in this country black folks have to have other folks verify whether or not they're working. >> two i.d.s, a fingerprint and then his job vouched for him. what else could he have done? >> nothing. this person should be fired. this is absolutely ridiculous, and what they should ask him is are they going to allow him to deposit his money and if there's a gigantic lawsuit against them. it's got ridiculous to a point some of these decisions these banks are making. >> amen. can't breathe while black, can't exist while black. god, we got a problem. >> we are commenting while black on national tv and anchoring while black. >> we are. >> let's hope that continues. our coverage continues. ♪ it's the time of the season for loving ♪ for a limited time, $50 for them $10 for you. applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. you're gonna love if ythe best of geico.ercials, it's geico's all-time greatest hits back on tv for a limited time. and if you love the best of geico, you're gonna really love voting online for your favorite. you can even enter for a chance to appear in an upcoming geico commercial. this fire's toasty, linda but the best of geico collection sounds even hotter. to vote for your favorite geico ad and enter to win, visit geico.com/bestof. that's geico.com/bestof. ♪ there's no place likargh!e ♪ i'm trying... ♪ yippiekiyay. ♪ mom. ♪ whetor surprise pizza,aco night, zantac works when you need it. it relieves or prevents heartburn in as little as 30 minutes, and lasts up to 12 hours. zantac. eat your way. treat your way.™ declaring victory and getting out. john berman here in for anderson. that's what president trump is doing in the fight against isis in syria and the way he announced it all by itself is stunning enough. then, again, so was the reaction. the surprise, dismay, the outrage, even the outright mockery. that's just from fello

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this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. president trump's pick for attorney general, william barr, sent a memo to the white house justice department that harshly criticized robert mueller investigation. we have a lot more to come on what could be a really big development tonight. that as rudy giuliani is backtracking about the trump tower moscow project. giuliani had told cnn, quote, it was a real estate project. there was a letter of intent to go forward but no one signed it. well, that's not true. cnn obtained that letter showing the president's signature. and that's not the only issue that team trump has to worry about tonight. the "wall street journal" reporting that sworn statements by donald trump dating back decades could come back to haunt him because they show he had a pretty clear understanding of campaign finance law. the investigators looking into the hush money payments made by michael cohen might be really interested in that. it's actually no secret that the president knows about campaign finance law. he's even bragged about it on television back in 1999. >> i wouldn't run if i didn't think i could win the election. i wouldn't run just to get 20% of the vote and say i've got more votes than anybody. >> how about campaign finance reform? >> i don't think anyone knows more about campaign finance than i do because i'm the biggest contributor. >> what about reform. it's a very complex thing. as an example, i'm allowed to give $1,000 to every senator, right? this was 20 years ago, $1,000. i love it because i'm capped out at $20,000 per senator. and they love me for it. you have other ways. >> you can't write this stuff. laura coates is back with me. also joining me is jack quinn and julia cayenne. there is a lot to get to. the new folks who joined, i'm bringing you in first. jack, let's start with barr and how his memo was in a fatally misconstrued view. misconceived theory. what do you make of this? >> it sound like an echo of rudy giuliani. the argument is the president can do anything that touches on the enumerated powers in the constitution for a president, and he's above the law, nobody can question him, nobody can indict him and so on. the fact is that argument is not going to stand. no one is above the law. the president is not above the law, donald trump is not above the law, and most importantly, he cannot carry out the powers of his office in a corrupt manner. so, for example, i mean, it should be obvious to everyone that it would be prosecutable if the president of the united states were to sell an ambassadorship or a cabinet position or any other position in the executive branch taking a bribe and appointing someone to that office. the constitution just does not contemplate that. the oath of office requires him to swear that he will faithfully execute the office of president, and look, i think at the end of the day, all these issues may have to be decided by a court, and i'm confident that a court will rule that, like richard nixon, the president in this case is not above the law. >> let's stick to it right now. renato, this puts trump's observation of barr in a new light. >> absolutely. first of all, i think the first question is, don, did trump know about this memo and other views of barr's when he nominated him? in other words, was this nomination in part because, just like he wanted with sessions, he wanted somebody in sessions who was going to quash the mueller probe, did he find a new guy who wants to do the same thing? this reaction by barr really raises questions about the intense views he has about mueller, his temperament and his judgment. first of all, when you're a former government official, you don't just on a whim write a 20-page memo and send it to your former colleagues. it's pretty weird. it's something you would spend a lot of time doing, time you could otherwise spend making a lot of money for your clients in private practice. so it's very unusual. and the language he uses to me is intemporate. and uncalled for. it's possible you could have a different view of the law than jack and me and julia. i appreciate people who have different points of view. but to say mueller is so grossly inappropriate, that he's so far out of bounds, to use the language he uses here makes me think he has an agenda here, that he has a very, very strong feeling that would make it improper for him to be moderate and appropriate in his supervision of mueller. >> this was certainly an unsolicited memo, juliet, sent to the doj. he describes the mueller probe -- approach as grossly irresponsible. what would an attorney general like barr mean for this administration? mueller investigation? >> it would be a disaster in terms of him having the authority to at least restrict the mueller investigation. i view this memo as a cover letter to a resume. i think there is no question in my mind now that barr was -- that barr was doing what a lot of people on the outside do. they're on tv, they're saying the right things, so he sends it. and think what reynardo was saying. this is the former attorney general writing to the deputy attorney general. i'm very curious, did the department of justice reply and what was their reply? i know in government when i worked at an agency, if they wrote something, we would have to reply because it's just something you have to do. i'm curious if there is a reply about what they think. but just going back to barr very quickly, i take the view, and i know others do, too, that it's probably too late to restrict everything that mueller has unleashed. and that's including the state ag's who are obviously very active as well as the new york federal courts. but nonetheless, he can make life very difficult for mueller, and this should go straight to his ability to be attorney general at this stage. and i think it is right of republicans and democrats to raise serious concerns at this stage. >> you're getting to where i want to go with this because i think it's really important. i want to bring back in these two. does this mean recusal? >> it could. >> the biggest problem for trump is the reason why he antagonized him the way he did. his decision based op the rules look, you've got a financial vested interest in this investigation. you have to recuse yourself, you're disqualified because there will be impartiality problems with it. because you're a surrogate, you may have an active part of the investigation. this is a little different for this person, barr, because even though he has inserted himself in the controversy and the discussions, he doesn't have the same type of relationship that jeff sessions had that may compel the ethics group to say, listen, you may be a part of the investigation. however, he still does have the really big conundrum of you can't possibly be seen as impartial in this case. we don't like injustice to have even the hint of impropriety, let alone a 20-page memo that says you are not appropriate to over seeing this. barr says he knows exactly what mueller is investigating. mueller has never actually defined the full parameters of his mandate, he simply has gone about investigating, so he has assumed, which makes an ass for you and me, that obstruction is the end game here. another problem. >> you bring it back to everything. let me ask you this, tim, and i want to you weigh in on what this all means. because the memo reportedly also says that mueller should not be permitted to demand that the president submit to interrogation about alleged obstruction. that would certainly make team trump happy, but do you think that this -- we've seen this all before. >> with this memo, barr either wants to be the president's lawyer in the white house or the attorney general. the president is thinking, great, i can get somebody in as attorney general who is going to put it to bob mueller. trump thinks the attorney general is his lawyer. he's the people's lawyer. he's the lawyer for the citizens of this country. trump doesn't get that. if barr is confirmed, and he is confirmable. he's already been attorney general back a quarter century ago, okay? he will certainly be grilled on why he has this vicious animous toward robert mueller, and if he is confirmed, the ethics folks and main justice are going to have a talk with him and say, general, how can you presume to oversee bob mueller when you think that mueller has been out of bounds? when you think that mueller doesn't have the power to investigate this person, to investigate what happened during the campaign with links to russia. to investigate obstruction of justice when he fired jim comey and to investigate money. we know trump. we're new yorkers. we've been knowing trump for a long time. it's always about money with this guy. >> you don't know how many times i've said that on this show. >> and bob mueller is looking at his money. >> yeah. and he doesn't like that. >> no, he does not. >> he does not like that. so speaking of money -- following the money, that's what everybody says, following the money, right? let's talk about the president's past comments about campaign finance that have resurfaced now. the president didn't show an understanding of campaign finance law. in an affidavit, he even bragged about it on tv. what's the legal significance of this? >> so in order to prove trump's guilt of a campaign finance crime, prosecutors would actually have to prove that he knew he was doing something unlawful at the time. now, ordinarily you would think, okay, that's going to be very challenging to prove that an ordinary citizen knew this. but look, you literally just showed the tape, don. here he is bragging about it. on other occasions he is also, you know, suggested that he knew something about it, and of course, the mere structure of these transactions and the way he went about hiding it shows that he was trying to escape the law. you know, don't forget i was talking recently to some election lawyers, prominent ones, who reminded me the president had one of the most prominent election lawyers in the country on his campaign, don mcgahn. he had a full compliance staff, and instead of going to them, he went around them to cohen and structured these transactions in this very bizarre way to hide these payments. it certainly suggested evidence of wrongdoing. >> everybody's head is shaking here in the studio and i would imagine everybody in other places as well. we have so much to talk about. i'm sorry, we're out of time. thank you for coming over and thank you for joining us, you folks via satellite. the president ordering american troops out of syria and he's getting pushback from the pentagon, usa, his colleagues and even his allies. today is the day you're going to get motivated... get stronger... get closer. start listening today to the world's largest selection of audiobooks on audible. and now, get more. for just $14.95 a month, you'll get a credit a month good for any audiobook, plus two audible originals exclusive titles you can't find anywhere else. if you don't like a book, you can exchange it any time, no questions asked. automatically roll your credits over to the next month if you don't use them. with the free audible app, you can listen anytime, and anywhere. plus for the first time ever, you'll get access to exclusive fitness programs a $95 value free with membership. start a 30-day trial today and your first audiobook is free. cancel anytime and your books are yours to keep forever. audible. the most inspiring minds. the most compelling stories. text "listen9" to 500500 to start your free trial today. the most compelling stories. ♪ t-mobile believes, it's better to give than to receive. some may disagree. others won't believe it. and some just won't have the words. join t-mobile and get the samsung galaxy s9 free. right? but hurry offer ends soon. ♪ the president abruptly ordered all u.s. troops out of syria, falsely declaring victory over isis despite a report from the department of defense that there could be as many as 30,000 isis fighters still in iraq and syria. the decision stunned congress as well as allies in the region, and tonight there is pushback from within the administration. a senior official telling cnn that the decision is, quote, a mistake of colossal proportions that will recklessly put americans' lives in danger around the world, allowing them to reconstitute and hand a strategic victory to our syrian, iranian and russian adversaries. fareed zakaria is with us. a colossal mistake. what do you think about this? >> on the campaign trail he attacked obama very hard because he said, you withdrew troops from iraq and that allowed isis to occupy the space in that no man's land and that political vacuum, and you created isis. it's not entirely clear if that's accurate because isis didn't even exist and the forces that allowed it to form were not related to obama, but here for sure isis exists. it has been beaten down, but if you withdraw, then the pressure that has kept it down is released. and it's quite possible that isis will be able to come back up. on the other side of it, it's 2,000 american troops. it's not a large commitment. you have a lot of support from kurds, from kurdish forces. you have others in the region who have been supporting it, so the puzzle here is you had a pretty low-cost american strategy that was yielding some results. isis was being destroyed. it was being supported by saudi arabia, jordan, egypt, all the neighboring countries. the only country -- i have to bring this up. the only country that was resolutely opposed to the american presence was russia. so the whole thing feels weird, a very impulsive sudden decision, it wasn't costing a lot to stay there, and the only one who has cheered it is russia. the kremlin sent out a mess and saying this is great. >> you see it as a big win for russia, for syria and iran? >> those are the forces that have been supporting the government of assad and this takes the pressure off the government of assad. if you're trying to get to a new level of government with syria, you take your troops off the ground. we had very little leverage in syria. this was the leverage we had. it wasn't costing us a lot, it was achieving some results. obama had actually been quite cautious about how much he put into syria. this was, in many ways, a continuation of the obama strategy. all i can think of is either donald trump decided, i'm going to fulfill my campaign pledge of saying i'm going to get us out of syria, or, as i said, for some reason he feels like it's worth doing something that sends a good signal to the russians. it certainly isn't true that isis is defeated, so the prima facie rationale for it is just false. isis is no more defeated than it was six months ago. >> is this a mission accomplished moment? >> it's a mission accomplished moment, but it feels different than that. worse than that. i think bush believed that they had turned a corner. here trump got fed up, lost interest, and it also could be that with donald trump it's not about people, it's not about policy. he used to like mattis, secretary of defense. he used to call him mad dog, my general. something about the relationship has soured. mattis may have pushed back in too many meetings. trump doesn't like mattis, he may not like the advice mattis is giving and trump wants to get out of syria. mattis wants to stay in. >> why are you getting rid of this? because obama put it in place. that's really the only rationale he can come up with. as i mentioned, his staff and members of his own party are furious. everybody in the white house is furious. here's senator lindsey graham. >> i'm shocked by this. i think this is a decision that is against sound military advice, and i intend to do our part as a congress and make sure that history records how this decision was made. we have betrayed our kurdish allies if this decision stands. if it's reversed, i'll be the first one to applaud the president because that's true leadership. >> a group of bipartisan senators sent a letter to the president urging him to change his mind, to not do this. i haven't seen this much pushback from members of the president's own party since jamal khashoggi. >> yeah, i think part of the problem is it's so sudden, it's so impulsive. it sends a weird signal ability the continuity. once trump got into the white house, after a few months he came to the conclusion it was important to stay in syria, it wasn't costing us a lot, it was keeping pressure, it was giving us the opportunity to try to forge some kind of political settlement, and then suddenly with no explanation, with no telegraphing, as you say, all the allies are shocked, european allies are shocked, nobody seems to understand what's going on. one more piece of this which is interesting, it's a little complicated, but our closest allies in the fight against the assad regime are the kurds in syria. the turkish government doesn't like those guys. we just concluded a big armed sales to turkey. is it possible that part of what erdogan asked for in return, i'll buy these arms from you, but in return you have to get out of syria. it's possible. nobody knows. partly i think i'm trying to find a reason. it's because it's been so impulsive, it's been so unpredictable and it doesn't seem to follow any particular strategic rationale. one of the things the senate should do, i think, is call in some people and say, what prompted this? where is the evidence that isis is destroyed? what resulted in three months ago the administration, including the president, i think, were saying, we're in syria, we're going to stay in syria, we're going to beat these people up. suddenly it all changed. what changed? >> you don't think he ran this by anyone? >> no, i don't. people don't understand how policy is made. nobody understands what is the way in which you figure out what sh fwoi is going to happen. when are policies going to be continued, when are they going to be reversed? you have a national security staff that is not fully staffed, a council that is not fully staffed, you have an economic council that is not fully staffed. it just adds to this feeling of amateur hour in the white house. >> thank you, fareed zakaria, i appreciate your time. don't miss "fareed zakaria" sunday at 10:00 a.m. eastern. house speaker paul ryan himself a pat on the back for a job well done. is his legacy really anything to brag about? ame is jeff sheldon, and i'm the founder of ugmonk. before shipstation it was crazy. it's great when you see a hundred orders come in, a hundred orders come in, but then you realize i've got a hundred orders i have to ship out. shipstation streamlined that wh the order data, the weights of , everything is seamlessly put into shipstation, so when we print the shipping ll everything's pretty much done. it's so much easier so now, we're ready, bring on t. shipstation. the number one ch of online sellers. go to shipstation.com/tv and get two months free. take care of the hands that take care of you. that's me in back in 1987, when i gave isotoner gloves to all my teammates. now i have a different set of teammates. my family. and they all want isotoner gloves for christmas because they keep getting better. there's smartouch. for selfies whenever, wherever. then there's four way stretch for flexibility. they even have smartdri. see? 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>> you have said throughout this process that you will support the republican presidential nominee, now you have a presumptive nominee, donald trump. will you support him? >> well, to be perfectly candid with you, jake, i'm just not ready to do that at this point. i'm not there now. i hope to and i want to, but i think what is required is that we unify this party. >> so it didn't matter how ready or not speaker ryan was, because trump became president. and the two men, along with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, well, they got a big tax cut mostly for corporations. the tax cuts led to more than $1 trillion in stock buybacks, helping shareholders and corporations. the cuts were meant to put more money in the pockets of the middle class and kickstart the economy. but since the law was signed, deficits, which paul ryan is supposedly against, are soaring. the stock market is now falling and the bulk of the benefits have not trickled down to workers' pockets. remember when speaker ryan tweeted, touting the story of a secretary in a public high school in pennsylvania? because of the cuts, her pay went up $1.50 a week. $1.50 a week. that adds up to $78 a year. ryan quickly removed that tweet after critics said he was appearing out of touch with reality. maybe washington does that to you. i want to bring you now former republican congressman charlie dent and allison stewart. paul ryan is out. do you think he wanted to speak out more but felt he couldn't because, i don't know, maybe he would get criticism or what, but isn't that leadership? >> well, i'll tell you what, i do believe that paul ryan wanted to speak out more. if you remember what happened during the "access hollywood" issue, when that story broke, there was a conference call among all house republicans that monday after the weekend. and at that time paul ryan said he was only going to campaign for house republicans and the president was on his own. i was one of the 11 people who spoke in that call, and i agreed with paul, and he got no support with anyone else. everyone else in the call said you need to stand by the nominee. after that i felt paul was always chasten, always looking over his right shoulder. concerned about a rear guard action. if he was ever too critical i believe he could have lost his speaker position over it, so i believe that's the main reason he didn't push back more. >> why would it matter, because he said he didn't want to be speaker in the first place. that's what he said. >> i guess if he wasn't going to run anymore, why not push back? i felt he should have pushed back more. he had every opportunity to. there were times he spoke up, but i felt it should have been stronger. in fact, more of the leadership should have been speaking out more because look what happened in the midterm, simply embracing the president and not condemning some of his incendiary comments, and it didn't go well. it hurt us. >> all those people who thought if they criticized the president, they would get kicked out of office. maybe the strategy was wrong. allison, it will be a new year for house republicans. are they ready to be the minority, do you think? >> it's going to be an uphill battle. speaker ryan did accomplish a lot of things when he was here. the tax reform bill has some positive aspects, the first major tax overhaul in 31 years. look at the overall economy. we have 2.3 million jobs created this year. the unemployment rate, the lowest in 50 years. all of this goes to a strong economy which i think speaker ryan has a lot to hang his hat on in that regard. could he have gone to fight against trump at every turn? he certainly could have. there was probably a lot in him that wanted to do that, but they never would have gotten anything done. he realized at the end of the day that president trump won the will of the people, certainly the republican base supported him, and in order to move the ball down the field on issues that he was concerned with and he was behind, he needed to support the president. we heard a lot of his speech today on what his next chapter will be. i don't think his legacy has been set yet. he indicated a lot of things about the current discourse in washington and the critical nature of it and how it's important to look at solutions instead of this criticism that we currently have, and i think that's what he's going to do. >> i have to run. but i think his future as a lawmaker is pretty much done unless he decides to run for president or decides to run again. i think this will be part of his legacy. i'm not sure he was thinking about that when he got on the trump train or he didn't push back as much as he should have. i think his legacy would have been stronger had he done that. i have to run. thank you both. my next guest has a story you have to hear. he's a black musician rejected from membership in a rifle club in charleston, south carolina whose members all happen to be white. he said he was embarrassed and disappointed. he joins me next. ♪ when you have nausea, ♪ heartburn, ♪ indigestion, ♪ upset stomach, ♪ diarrhea... girl, pepto ultra coating will treat your stomach right. ♪nausea, heartburn, ♪ indigestion, upset stomach, ♪ diarrhea... try pepto with ultra coating. unpredictable crohn's symptoms following you? 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>> there was 14 people up there and i was the only one who didn't get voted in. >> they tried to change the rules, you didn't get voted in. one of the friends who co-sponsored you called the whole process disgusting and despicable. is there any doubt in your mind that this is because of racism? >> i've been trying to stay away about making proclamations of why i didn't get in. when your name is submitted, people have a chance to voice objections. nobody voiced any objections. then i didn't get voted in. no one offered an explanation. when i looked at the applicants, i tried to see what was different from them and me. they were from all walks of life, some were veterans like myself. some your physicians like i was. i didn't get in so i can only come to one conclusion. >> you had been a guest at the club on several occasions before you applied to be a member. >> yes. lots of occasions. >> was it a case of being nice to your face as long as you weren't trying to belong or become a member? >> again, you're talking -- i can't talk to people who voted against me because i don't know them. when i would go, i was a guest of friends of mine from growing up in charleston, friends of mine from med school and different people in the neighborhood. so as far as i knew, i was accepted and having a great time and enjoying my time with my friends. but, again, i knew the history of the club and it has a huge membership, and they can't represent the entire membership. >> maybe you might have thought that times have changed, as your friends have said, because during your last military posting in jacksonville, florida, i understand you had been accepted into a nearly all-white yacht club and it was a good experience, right? maybe that is -- >> yeah. i'd be lying if i didn't say that gave me momentum. that happened shortly before i retired and moved back to charleston. charleston has always been -- i love my city and it's always been kind of an island in a red state. and i was in jacksonville which to me was the deep south. when i was approached about joining the florida yacht club, i said, oh, heck no, that's not going to happen. again, friends were saying, no, this is different. i applied, i got in. that gave me momentum. so i thought maybe i need to see give my city a look. >> i have 10 seconds left. how do you explain this to your children? >> i try not to push the negative. i push the positive. the best way to get to know people is to just engage, be there, be involved, just make friends with people. that's what's worked for me in the military and my life, just engage with people. most people are kind of warm but there are some who make a decision before they meet you, and you can't change that sometimes. >> the producer gods have granted us a little more time so i'm going to ask you another question, if i can. >> okay. >> do you believe this is an attitude of an isolated group of men at this club, or do you think there is a wider problem itself in charleston or maybe beyond? >> in my particular case, i think it was a few people who are holding the club hostage. but in general, i think that this is one of the last bastiens to -- i don't want to sound like an advocate, but i guess i am -- level the playing field. you have programs like affirmative action, you have corporations with diversity officers. what's really left is parody and public education and also social settings. a lot of my friends get these jobs, but if you're not able to socialize with everyone, you're kind of left out of the pot. i think if we overcome the social barriers, if we're hanging out outside of work, it makes the playing field feel much more even. that's what we can take away from this. >> i enjoyed speaking to you and thank you so much for coming on. merry christmas to you. >> i appreciate you having me. i can't believe i'm on tv. >> well, you are. thank you, sir. >> thank you. we'll be right back. unpredictable crohn's symptoms following you? 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stays dry. so get isotoner gloves for the whole family. take care of the hands that take care of you. we just heard a very personal story from dr. melvin brown, whose application to the alt right charlatan club was denied. i want to pick up a discussion. good evening, what a nice man we heard from and dr. brown was the perfect candidate, impeccable résume, navy veteran, a respected figure in the community with deep charleston roots, people advocating for him. does this case just show you how hard it is to overcome institutional racism? >> it is, don. he was a very nice man, very humble, very accomplished in every way, but it shows that black folks always have to have somebody to vouch for them. how many more accomplishments did the good doctor need to be accepted into a club, and i just can't get over the visual of people picking up white marbles and black marbles and the white marbles means you're okay, angel food cake all the way, and the black marbles means you're not going in, devil food cake all the way. there's something insidious about this and another reminder we have many more miles to go in this country, that all is not well. >> i don't mean to laugh but you caught me off-guard with that angel food cake. that was pretty good. listen, his friends are outraged and rightfully so calling the incident despicable. the town is embarrassed, organizations are shunning the club. is that enough? will any of this lead to real change you think? >> i think they're seeing a huge blow back. look, they're a private club. they have a right to refuse anyone they want. just because they have the right to. >> and you live in charleston, by the way. >> it doesn't make it right to do by any stretch of the imagination. he would have been a good fit. as a matter of fact i have 20 acres on the intercoastal, he can shoot with me anytime he wants and it won't cost him a dime. after seeing what happened with senator and the but the way charleston handled that, i don't think this is indicative of charleston or the vast majority of the people that live there. it is a very diverse community and we have joined hands through some very difficult times, and there's still a few of these folks that think like this, but the vast majority of people in charleston are not like this at all. >> he seems to think there was an indictment on a larger society there. that's his words. i know you think it's different. but what do you make of this blow back in town? >> as i read more about this story you've seen a lot of the schools associated with the club, a lot of the groups associated with the club have 100% withdrawn from their involvement whatsoever. social events that took place at the club from other clubs have now removed themselves. i saw the private school had withdrawn from it. so several things that they had done with other groups, the other groups have now backed off and said we don't want any involvement with you. so they are getting some repercussions that may eventually cause change, positive change. >> can i talk about another story because you actually tweeted about it today. >> yes. >> i want to talk about another case about living while black. this is in cleveland. he tried to cash his paycheck at a new job and ended up in handcuffs because bank tellers thought he was cashing a fraudulent check and called 911. you tweeted this win hurts. give me your reaction. >> first of all, it's my hometown. the greater cleveland area. but you can't even bank while black. i want people to wrap their minds around this. he went in there, his first paycheck, gave his two i.d.s and also his fingerprints. the teller suspected it was fraudulent, called over other people. we need to puts ourselves in his position. he's embarrassed. they ultimately say he can't cash this check, they call his employer, his employer doesn't answer and instead of letting him go on his merry way, they decide to call police. we know so many times in this country calling the police on a black man or a black woman in this country can get you dead. instead of letting him go they call police, he's handcuffed, arrested, put in the back of a cruiser and finally the police officers gets ahold of his employer who vouches for him. again, it goes back to my point that far too often in this country black folks have to have other folks verify whether or not they're working. >> two i.d.s, a fingerprint and then his job vouched for him. what else could he have done? >> nothing. this person should be fired. this is absolutely ridiculous, and what they should ask him is are they going to allow him to deposit his money and if there's a gigantic lawsuit against them. which he should engage in. it's got ridiculous to a point some of these decisions these banks are making. >> amen. can't drive while black. can't breathe while black, can't exist while black. god, we got a problem. >> we are commenting while black on national tv and anchoring while black. >> we are. >> let's hope that continues. thank you very much. our coverage continues. what do harvard graduates know about cognitive performance? as you'd probably guess, a lot. that's why a new brain health supplement called forebrain from the harvard-educated experts at force factor is flying off the shelves at gnc. forebrain's key ingredients have been clinically shown to help enhance sharpness and clarity, improve memory, and promote learning ability. and now every man and woman in america can claim a complimentary bottle. just use your smartphone to text the keyword on the screen to 20-20-20. scientific research on cognigrape, a sicilian red wine extract in forebrain's memorysafe blend, suggests not only sharper recall, but also improved executive function and faster information processing. your opportunity to get into harvard may be gone, but it's not too late to experience a brain boost formulated by some of their brightest minds. just text the keyword on the screen to 20-20-20 with your smartphone to claim your complimentary bottle of forebrain. do it now - before you forget. that's the keyword on the screen to 20-20-20. get stronger... get closer. start listening today to the world's largest selection of audiobooks on audible. and now, get more. for just $14.95 a month, you'll get a credit a month good for any audiobook, plus two audible originals exclusive titles you can't find anywhere else. if you don't like a book, you can exchange it any time, no questions asked. automatically roll your credits over to the next month if you don't use them. with the free audible app, you can listen anytime, and anywhere. plus for the first time ever, you'll get access to exclusive fitness programs a $95 value free with membership. start a 30-day trial today and your first audiobook is free. cancel anytime and your books are yours to keep forever. audible. the most inspiring minds. the most compelling stories. text "listen5" to 500500 to start your free trial today. a book that you're ready to share with the world? 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