montgomery county, maryland and the sniper trial there. or timothy mcveigh, oklahoma city. can you give me examples in which this was really in the forefront, sort of nationally after a massive tragedy and how the juries in the end deliberate. what were the results in other huge trials? the major terrorism cases like the mcveigh case many of them have resulted in death penalty findings by juries. but i think this is a tougher case because on the one hand it s one of the most brutal pieces of carnage that the american public has ever seen. i m sure you ll remember brooke that at one point in the trial when videos were shown of children and men and women being dismembered and killed by this bomb actual videotape of it not only the jurors were crying but hardened members of the press were crying in court. i mean it was that gripping and