someone broke into the house or drunk driving, he would be there in a minute, unquote. now the president's lawyer, rudy giuliani is out there calling michael cohen a liar. do you think michael cohen is a liar? >> well, listen, there's certainly been a breach in the relationship. so when i said that, i meant that because i had known michael for ten years, known the president for a very long time and my guess was that they were very loyal to each other. when your house gets raided and your apartment and hotel room gets raided and you get jarred by the fbi, maybe that has changed now. the leaking of the tape -- and i listened to the tape. i think the president is trying to make the point and mayor giuliani is making the point that it seems like the tape was cut off, that there was more e dialogue there and the president thinks it was more favorable to
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change michael cohen's calculus? >> what i also did say is that the isolation strategy of michael cohen -- i've said that a couple of times publicly, is probably not the best strategy either. i'm not on the president's legal term. so i don't know what they're legally allowed to do and not allowed to do and i'm not exactly sure what michael is being targeted for. the president is indicating in a tweet yesterday it might be related to the medallions and the taxi cab licenses that michael had. so me it's not clear what is absolutely going on. i think michael would probably say that he didn't leak the last piece related to the russian meeting. i'm not really exactly sure where that came from. but i don't like the crossfire. when you and i -- we have friends go back a long time and you see friends get in a disagreement, you say to yourselves, gees, i wish these guys could put down their arms, recognize the longevity of their
relationship and stop the back biting and infighting. lastly, doing it on nation national tv -- my message to michael and i've said this, it's not the appropriate venue to be doing this. let's see if we can calm things down. the president is obviously doing a great job as president. these things happened before he was president. listen, it's a complicated world we live in, jake. what i'm hoping is the trump agenda on the scales of all these things, the trump agenda and all the good things happening in the economy will outweigh all the stuff going on right now. >> anthony, as someone who knows both of them, you have michael cohen according to sources claiming that president trump knew ahead of time about the trump tower meeting with russians. you have president trump denying it repeatedly publicly. who do you believe? >> that's a good question. listen, it's not clear to me
michael leaked that. so i'm going to stay on the side of the president here. i'm going to take the president at his word that he didn't know. i was in the campaign during that period of time. there was a major flurry of activity. you have to go back, jake, back to june of 2016 where one of the things that the campaign was worried about, and this is something paul manafort, frankly, was working on, is to make sure the president's electoral success state by state was going to be matched at the convention floor where we were counting delegates and we wanted to make sure there wasn't some kind of insurrection. so there was a massive amount of activity around that, very, very little activity away from that. you also have to remember, we were understaffed on that campaign, we were underfunded relative to secretary clinton's campaign as well. so to me it's very possible, and i take the president at his word, that he did not know about the meeting. >> but knowing what you know about president trump and how he
runs things, you really find it credible that donald trump jr., jared kushner, paul manafort would have had this meeting where they were going to get all this dirt allegedly on hillary clinton for him to use against her and they wouldn't have told him about it? that sounds credible to you? >> well, i think could he have known after the fact? i think that's possible. i think what donald trump jr. said last year, the meeting was about 20 minutes. they thought they were going in for one thing. it turned out to be a completely other thing. they shortly dismissed the meeting. so, yes, i do think it's possible. i think if you check sources inside the white house and check sources inside that campaign, the level of from net sichl, it is very possible. you have to remember the president is a entrepreneur. one of the things that entrepreneurs do very well, they delegate to other people and create a lot of autonomy around them. one of the reasons why that campaign was so successful is that the president said, okay,
paul has a job, jared has a job. everybody was in different positions. he's a guy that would delegate to people the way good entrepreneurs do. yes, i do think that's possible. i understand the pushback, why people think it isn't possible. but you have to understand, it was one meeting, and donald trump jr. said it was a meeting that was 20 minutes long. when you think about the totality of what was going on in the campaign, we're looking at it now with a microscope and the way we magnify and destroy ants, but back then it wasn't that big a deal. i take them at their word, also. >> anthony you were the white house communications director for a few days and i know you wanted to improve relationships between the press and the white house, so i do want to ask you about this. this week the white house barred kaitlan collins, an excellent reporter of ours, from attending the' vechbt after she asked, quote, inappropriate questions during the president's pool spray when he was meeting with the head of the european -- as
someone who wanted to improve relations, what's your take? are you okay with the way the white house handled this? >> what i would do -- listen, i think -- i don't know this for a fact. that probably came from the president. he likes to be respected. he was probably frustrated at that moment. what i would do in a situation like that, i'd pull a tape of questions that sam donaldson screamed at ronald reagan and go right through the last 30 years of pool reporters asking questions that presidents probably think are obnoxious or untoward or disrespectful questions and just point out that she was doing her job. so i understand that she was put in the penalty box. i would certainly recommend to my former colleagues that you take her out of the penalty box. i've said this consistently and i will continue to say this to anybody who listens, having a war declaration or having that
level of antagonism with the president does not help the president, does not serve his interests going into the midterms or the elections. i understand the frustration and i understand his personality where he likes to punch back and be combative. what i think that also does, and i think you'll agree with me, it galvanizes the president vis-a-vis the white house. i was watching one of the press conferences where i think it was a gentleman from politico yielded to the woman from nbc. so what you're doing is you're starting to galvanize people against the white house, and it's a collective which i think is not in the best interest of the president. so, one, i don't like that decision. number two, it probably came from the president himself. so you sort of can't -- when you're getting told by the president to do a, b and c and you're sitting there saying, well, it may not be the best idea, i'm sure these people have strong enough personalities where they would tell him, look, it's not the best idea. but he probably wanted them to do it anyway. but i disagree with it, and i'm
happy to talk about it. i'm happy to explain why. i think the best people around the president will always give him constructive coaching. it's not criticism. look, this is not in your best interest, long-term, removing kat lynn from the pool, putting her in the penalty box, you're not getting the desired outcome. what is the desired outcome that people don't ask you those questions? guess what? the first amendment gives these reporters the right to do that. by the way, your predecessors, many of which you respected, take a look at the tape. this is what reporters have been doing for 30 or 40 years. >> anthony, thank you so much. for the record, the reporter that yielded the floor was from the hill. >> from the hill, yeah. you get the point. >> i get the point, absolutely. hot off the hot second quarter growth number, the president says the best is yet to come. what makes him so sure? top white house economic adviser larry kudlow is here.
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his humility particularly. this week he had very real bragging rights by any measure. 4.1% growth in gdp is a strong number. when he promised to hit 4%, some economists called that crazy. in the victory lap thursday, president trump says the boone is just beginning. >> i think the most important thing, and larry kudlow just confirmed to me along with kevin h hassert, that these numbers are very sustainable. this isn't a one-time shot. >> top kmous economic adviser larry kudlow joins me. after you were last here, you had health problems. you're out of the woods, good to see you. >> never better. to quote my favorite author, reports of my demise were greatly exaggerated. >> we're happy to hear that. 4.1% growth rate is a positive for the country. you said you agreed with the
president this is sustainable. there are economists are skeptical. moodies says the growth is not sustainable and will come close to stalling out in 2020. another said it's a result of doomsday prepping. in "the new york times" she said, quote, global economies are stockpiling raw materials, intermediate and finished goods before tariffs take effect. once they hit demand, they will no longer need to build inventories and this boost to economic growth will end. why are you so confident it's sustainable? >> i appreciate that they disagree, they often do. policies matter a lot, jake. i think the president deserves a victory lap. low tax rates, rolling back regulations, opening up energy, for example. trade reform which i think is already paying off with respect to the eu agreement we did last week. the fundamentals of the economy look really good. parsing through some of these
numbers, the 4.1% quarter. inventory is very low. cap goods booming, business investment spending really booming. that's a productivity creator, that's a job creator, that's a wage creator for ordinary main street folks. terribly important. in fact, the saving rate was revised higher by $500 billion. that gives consumers plenty of ammunition. and as i say, as mr. trump has made it very clear that he intends to reward success, he's not trashing businesses, he wants people to take a rip at the ball. you're seeing the results of these new policies now. we've got five trump quarters, just under 3%, 2.9%. this was 4.1. the first half was 3.1. honestly, any reason why we can't run this for several quarters again in technical terms, rock bottom inventories and a capital goods investment
prosperity and healthy economy. >> ultimately you think it will be deficit neutral, if not reducing the deficit? >> some of the numbers i've seen -- heaven forbid, even the cbo, they're suggesting we already paid for two-thirds of the corporate tax cut. i think by the end of fiscal year '19, the corporate tax cut will be paid for. by 2020 it will be more than paid for. of course, we inherited a tough deficit situation. any time you have slow growth -- the prior administration had a very slow growth period. that really damages the budget deficit. >> they were coming off the great recession of 2008. >> by the way, i gave them that. i always have, but not eight years. that was the problem. they never got the snap-back we should have gotten. i don't want to waste time on those policies. you have a new sheriff in town. >> let's talk about the sheriff and his plans. >> i do want to say for nick mull vane any, our budget
>> no tariffs at all. >> and no traf barriers and no subsidies. that's a goal. i think that was part of our eu discussion. that's his view in general. that is also my view. so i think he's gaining -- this is a tough, harptd thing d thin. people say president trump's tariffs are damaging this, that and the other thing. i say don't blame president trump. he inherited a completely broken world trading system including a world trade organization, most particularly china, but not only china. he's trying to fix it. other u.s. presidents in both political parties, dems and republicans even handed, have never pushed the way he's pushing. he believes, and i agree, if we can work these things out and improve the trading system, it will be to the benefit of the united states economy, our exports, our farmers, our industry and, by the way, will probably help the rest of the
world, too. got to give them a chance to get the policy in place. >> seems like people like farmers are giving them a chance. they say we want trade, not aid. >> i agree. >> they don't want that. they want open markets to sell their goods. >> so does potus on this. as i said, china is the worst offender. the point here, the deal we made with the european union is very important. >> let me talk about that specifically. >> and mexico is coming. >> let me talk about the eu because there is this deal on paper to agree. critics say that all that president trump accomplished with this deal were to get things that were already on the table as you know during the obama administration including negotiations on something our viewers may not have heard of, the tpip. take a look at what the president of the national foreign trade council said. quote, most of this deal is stuff we were already on the
verge of agreeing on in the ttip negotiations before that deal got deep-sixed after trump's election. your comment? >> i'm not sure about that. i don't want to get hung up on that, the atlantic trading deal. there are a lot of issues with that. i don't even want to go back there. eu president and president trump got together and surprised probably almost everybody in the world and basically came to agreement on a number of key items. look, if the deal works through nicely, and it's going to be several stages, i don't think there will be steel tariffs for the european union. i don't think there will be automobile tariffs. i don't want to get ahead of it. >> that's not in the deal right now, but you're saying long thunderstorm. >> was discussed. there was a line in this carefully crafted fiechbl statement that suggests that would be the case. europeans came, by the way, right at the top with an offer to purchase tons and tons of
american soy beans. they don't have tariffs on them. they just said we will buy them for you. this is a contentious issue because of china's soy beans tariffs and to the point you made earlier, our farmers would prefer trade not aid but they've been stuck. i think soy beans have already started to firm up in the commodity markets. they want a big lng deal, natural gas. the eu doesn't want to have to do business with russia. they'd rather do business with the usa. in fact, they suggested to us they would find ways an means to have us build or help them build pipelines for lng. these are all major steps forward. i wouldn't say it replicates anything because things have been a little bumpy. now all of a sudden we're on the right path. i like that very much. >> stay healthy. we need you back on the show soon. your friends and family love you
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president trump in 2020. one of the names frooktly discussed is mitch landrieu, the former new orleans mayor raised his profile in his move to remove the last of new orleans' confederate monuments. mr. mayor, thank you very much. he's in the author of "in the shadow of statues: a white southerner confronts history." >> thanks for having me. >> the most famous political saying out of louisiana, james c carball, it ooh es the economy, stupid. gdp growth is 4.1% in the second quarter, unemployment at an 18-year low or near an 18-year low, the economy booming. why should voters look to democrats? >> it's a new development. we've had 19 months of growth since the great recession and president obama had four times economic growth.
the long-term question are wages growing, are the right people getting the jobs, the resources, the job training? is american healing and moving together or moving in a different direction? the other thing, of course, you just had larry kudlow on saying trust me, it will sustain itself over time. likely the next quarter will be lower. we all hope it's higher. the elephant in the room is the trade war, whether or not the actions now taken by the president will undermine the great work everybody has done in the last couple years? all you have to do is listen to the farmers who, although some of them are still sticking with the president are sending the message that you're hurting me. the greatest indication that the tariffs are hurting is that they've had to put $12 billion in place to sustain it while the pain takes course. in luouisiana we have a $6 billion export economy that will be hurt as well. you hope the trade war doesn't impact the economic growth we're seeing today. >> let's turn to some of the policy differences within the democratic party. last month i asked one of the most prominent possible 2020
candidates, senator bernie sanders if i.c.e., the immigration organization should be abolished. here is what the senator had to say. >> i think what we need is to create policies which deal with immigration in a rational way, and a rational way is not locking children up in detention centers or separating them from their mothers. >> so he refrained from saying i.c.e. should be abolished. by seven days later after elizabeth warren, kir stint gillibrand, carpal la harris, senator sanders came out and say he wants i.c.e. to be abolished. you said you don't want them abolished although you agree there need to be reforms. are you concerned about your party lurching to the left? >> i was the mayor of the city of new orleans, so having said that, i have always talked about
governing from the middle. i'm what they call a radical centrist. there aren't many of us left anymore. it is really important for us to make sure that, if we are given the responsibility to govern, that we govern in a pragmatic way. i don't think abolishing i.c.e. is a good idea. primarily when police departments get out of the way, do the wrong thing, you don't say get rid of the police department, you reform the police department. we are, in fact, a nation of immigrants. we know that. we or a nation of laws. i think congress has been remiss in not passing comprehensive immigration reform. it has to be common sense, it has to be thoughtful and protect the border while at the same time making sure that everybody is dealt with in a constitutional way. i do believe very clearly that separating families from children was not a smart thing. it was a cruel thing. that really is not who we are. there's a much better way to do this. >> as a centrist, someone who believes in governing from the center, are you concerned to see
the democratic party which you and your family have been proud members of for generations going to the left on a lot of issues? >> you'll see this with republicans and democrats. it happens every election cycle. the party will get tested from the left, the middle and the right. both parties are going to do that. that's going to happen to the democratic party, too. it's clear that president trump will be the nominee of the republican party. you will see a family fight on the democratic side. you see the party getting pulled to the left. you'll have people to the middle, to the right of the party. that's the way it's always going to be. if the democrats want to win, they have to govern responsibly, with common sense and think about what people in america want which is essentially to have a great opportunity and great responsibility and a better chance for themselves and for their kids. >> a resint quinnipiac poll found 65% of democratic voters believe if your party takes back the house in november, they should put impeachment of president trump on the table. what do numbers like that say about where the democratic party will go if you do take back the
house? >> of course right now because the president is in office, the question is do you like him or don't you like him. he is the distinguishing factor between and amongst the people that say the nation is so divided. i come from a different perspective. i don't think the nation is as divided as we think it is. if you're on the ground in america on any day, people of different races, creeds, colors, religions are working together. that's really what americans most want. this impeachment talk in my opinion is premature. i think you have to let these investigations follow their course, let the lawyers do their job. and when there is evidence of something that significant, then you take that step. impeachment in a democracy is always the last resort, not the first resort. running towards that at this point in time in my opinion right now, based on what we know, is ill advised. >> it seems like all the energy in your party is with the progressive left. you saw the primary of
alexandria cortez in new york. bernie sanders is still drawing huge crowds. is there a market for a centrist democrat like yourself when it comes to democratic primary vote sners. >> first of all, i'm not a candidate. i expect there will be other people that will occupy the right side of the democratic party and the center part of the democratic party. the bigger message for democrats long term is to do what the republicans are not doing which is to be a big ten party, to make sure everybody has room and we hear all these things. there's a tremendous amount of energy. you don't want to quell that. you want to increase it. you do want to forge it into something that's pragmatic and thoughtful and that can deliver for most of the american public. as you know, not everybody in the country is a democrat. there's a part that are democrats, a part that are independents and a part that are republicans. the president of the united states has to govern for the entire country. >> you say you're not a candidate. nobody is a candidate right now. a lot of the potential 2020 democrats are descending on your
city for this progressive congress called net roots. you're not going to be there. should your supporters, should people want you to run take this as a sign that you're not going to get into the race at all? >> first of all, i don't intend to run. i've said that many, many run. >> nobody tends to run until they're running. >> that's absolutely true. when i decide to, i'll let you know. right now i'm not planning to do that. what i am planning to do is to talk and speak about the direction the country ought to go in, irrespective of whether i'm in the private or public sector. i wasn't invited. i didn't know the conference was going to be there at the time. that is what it is. it's not a sign of anything plus or minus. >> your book is great and congratulations on it. >> thank you. >> thank you for being here and we hope to have you back. >> we'll be back. >> good to see you, mr. mayor. it's a question some conservatives are starting to ask. even if the president was working with russia in 2016, so what? we'll tackle the next stage of the russia spin cycle in just a
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russians. they believe the president is morale lined with them than he is with us. if they believe that, they'll keep doing that. intelligence officials don't have directives from this president to stop the interference campaign. it's on congress. if the executive isn't going to defend the country, our congressional leaders need to unite and say we're going to do all we can to protect the ballot box. >> where are the republicans on this? >> i think the one chance they had to rebuke the president on something firm that came out was what we learned happened in helsinki, when we learned president trump discussed the possibility of letting americans be interrogated by russian agents. once we got word of that, the senate has never moved so fast, instituted a resolution that passed 98-0 to say we're not going to do that. part of the problem is that no one knows what the president's agenda is when it comes to russia. when there's nothing firm to grasp onto, there's nothing firm to reject. >> let me turn the subject of on russia, staying with russia but
on the question of whether or not there was any help that the russians offered that was actually accepted by the trump campaign which is a charge the trump campaign has always denied. we haven't seen any evidence per se. but already we started to see this week a change in the conversation where members of congress and trump friendly pundits are starting to say, even if they did do this, so what, it's no big deal. take a look at california republican congressman darrell issa who is retiring. >> if he's proven to have not told the whole truth about the fact that campaigns look for dirt and if someone offers it, you listen to them, nobody is going to be surprised. there are some things in politics that you just take for granted. >> wouldn't you with surprised? >> look, let's put a pin in that and go back to a couple things the congressman said. this administration has been pushing back on and fighting against interference -- the russians interfering in our
elections since the get-go. just because the president didn't stand up and announce it -- they're going to continue to act. that's their job. bad guys are going to do bad things. the good guys on our side are stopping them, the nsa, cia, fbi -- >> and perhaps president trump should be talking about doing a joint cyber security campaign with the russians while they're hacking us. that's another bright line. >> why not? why not try to stop them from the inside? >> because they are inside. >> i don't know what information you guys have that i don't have that tells you what the fbi counterintelligence folks are doing overseas or what the cia is doing or the nsa is doing. you guys must have a lot more intelligence. >> i'd like to bring back the topic of some republican office holders and trump friendly pundits changing the level now saying it's no big deal, so what if the russians did help the trump campaign.
>> had it been president obama they would be running around like their hair is on fire. it's certainly a political double standard. all elected officials should care whether a foreign force, especially the russians, tried to hack and continue to try to hack into our voter system and not just what the russians are doing. what signal does it give to any other foreign power that if the united states of america, and i agree with the congressman, that congress needs to step up and do something to protect the integrity of our elections both on the foreign side, cyber warfare and also on the domestic side. since the help america vote act, we really have not made requisite investments into securing our system. >> i agree it is a big deal if they've done that. it is a big deal. you know what? let's see what the mueller investigation proves. >> if they offer information. >> you know what we do know about the mueller investigation? nothing to do with collusion, nothing to do with the russians. >> lying about meetings with
russia. >> hold on for a second. >> the mueller investigation, the first person to go to trial, paul manafort, the mueller team, the government has said no evidence of collusion or anything to do with the russians. >> in that trial. >> that's the first part. that's the first part. who is the centerpiece of this grand piece of espionage? carter page? papadopoulos? who is the center? >> can we boil this -- it comes to two questions. did members of the trump campaign knowingly solicit stolen information. >> no. >> number two, was there any arrangement to set election help -- >> no. >> have you noticed your colleagues changing the bar saying, so what if there was? >> we should never allow that to take place. if a foreign adversary is offering i don't dirt, they want something in return. if you take it, you're compromised. president trump has never claimed to be a vor ray shows reader. this week it sounded like he had
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soaring. >> in this distopian or eutopian future, only friendly faces. >> very strong at the end of that press conference. >> and no poll would ever drop below 100% approval. >> the most powerful, most popular republican in the history of the party. >> in this alternate reality there would be a mcdonald's on every corner and every day would be november 8th, 2016. >> we won the electoral college by a lot. >> in this alternate reality, special counsel would have a whole new spelling and even special council mueller would agree with the president's conclusion. even the biggest reality tv star cannot totally escape reality. >> i care deeply about the rule of law. >> far eed zakaria continues next.
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in the bushes. >> -- >> detectives said the couple only got bolder there. they discovered evidence michael had brazenly broken into diane's apartment and videotaped the inside. >> inside the belly of the beast. >> -- i believe his first words were i'm, in the valley of the beast. it is first thing where he hands over, with the alarm pad, where ways armed unarmed. >> that could have been bad, right? >> as michael documented every aspect of dianne's personal life, poking around her drawers, her refrigerator, even inside her bathroom -- police said danielle played look out. but in this text message to michael, daniel wright, get out of there if you aren't already. getting bad feeling. >> he's doing it at their quest, basically, have danielle. >> but what detectives found most alarming where the text
have daisy with me, though, at the time. >> nor would i do anything with a gun. i think it was trying to -- michael in a weird way. >> do you think they are joking with each other? what do you think it's real? >> i asked danielle that very question. why are you saying this? and she just, it oh, i'm just trying to sound tough. so -- for real. >> but that's not the way sam's sister saw it, when detectives showed those text to cindy she was dumbstruck. >> i could not believe what i was reading and this was someone who has been in my family for 13 years. when talking about it with you now, i have chills. >> those texts, she said, moved just how much daniel hated sam and wanted him out of the way. and she's convinced that danielle up manipulated michael to feel the same way.
messages that michael and daniels and each other. >> michael, like, i want to blow his head off and put two on her for good measure. >> it goes on to say, bang, bang, dawn. i won't -- wrong. daniel later -- you would not and could not, because that would be illegal. >> that was definitely disturbing. >> in another text, daniel referred to her handgun, she called daisy. she wrote, i am so close to introducing them both to daisy. michael responded. ha, ha, we can do it together as a date. smiley face. and yet another she wrote, i hate them with every inch of me. revenge -- and it will be very, very sweet. it was very obvious that daniel had some kind of hatred towards -- to hurt him. >> and based on those text messages, it seemed clear to detectives that she persuaded michael to feel this way.
>> reporter: as michael documented every aspect of dianne's personal life, poking around her drawers, her refrigerator, even inside her bathroom, police said danielle played lookout. in this text message to michael, danielle wrote, get out of there if you aren't already. getting bad feeling. >> and he's doing it at the request basically of danielle. >> reporter: but what detectives found most alarming were the text messages michael and danielle sent each other. >> reporter: michael minor writes, i want to blow his head off and then put two on her just for good measure. he goes on to say, bang bang, done. i won't, though, because it's wrong. danielle later responded, you would not and could not because that would be illegal. >> that was definitely disturbing. >> reporter: in another text danielle referred to her handgun, which she called daisy. she wrote, i am so close to introducing them both to daisy. michael responded, ha, ha, we can do it together. as a date.
in this text message to michael, danielle wrote, get out of there if you aren't already. getting bad feeling. >> and he's doing it at the request basically of danielle. >> reporter: but what detectives found most alarming were the text messages michael and danielle sent each other. >> reporter: michael minor writes, i want to blow his head off and then put two on her just for good measure. he goes on to say, bang bang, done. i won't, though, because it's wrong. danielle later responded, you would not and could not because that would be illegal. >> that was definitely disturbing. >> reporter: in another text danielle referred to her handgun, which she called daisy. she wrote, i am so close to introducing them both to daisy. michael responded, ha, ha, we can do it together. as a date. smiley face. in yet another, she wrote, i hate them with every inch of me. revenge will be mine, and it will be very, very sweet. >> it was very obvious that
refrigerator and even inside her bathroom, police said danielle played look out. in this text message to michael, danielle wrote get out of there if you aren't already. getting bad feeling. >> and he's doing it at the request basically of danielle. >> but what detectives found most alarming were the text messages michael and danielle sent each other. >> michael writes i want to blow his head off and then put two on her for just good measure. >> he goes on to say bang, bang done. i won't though because it's wrong. danielle later responded, you would not and could not because that would be illegal. >> that was definitely disturbing. >> in another text, danielle referred to her handgun which she called daisy. she wrote i'm so close to introducing them both to daisy. michael responded, we can do it together as a date, smiley face. in another she wrote i hate them
this elaborate spying escalated into a murder plot. instead, she said it was simply preparation for her pending divorce. >> i told the attorney about it and the attorney said whoa, you're good because he said that's good evidence. >> she wanted to be able to have leverage and to be able to embarrass him. >> danielle told the detectives another reason was plain old curiosity. >> i had to see for myself that there was a girl. it broke my heart. i don't know why. >> that's the big question, right? you were doing it for four years and why did it break your heart? >> i think i still loved my husband. still had feelings for him. >> what is more is danielle said she and michael stopped their spying weeks before the shooting. detectives also asked about the text messages that they found so troubling. danielle said they were all in fun. they first questioned danielle about the text michael sent her. >> i want to blow his head off and then put two in her just for
lookout. in this text message to michael, danielle wrote, "get outta there if you aren't already. getting bad feeling." >> he's doing it at the request basically of danielle. >> reporter: but what detectives found most alarming were the text messages michael and danielle sent each other. >> michael minor writes, "i want to blow his head off and then put two on her just for good measure." he goes on to say, "bang bang, done. i won't though because it's 'wrong'." danielle later responded, "you would not and could not because that would be illegal." >> that was definitely disturbing. >> reporter: in another text danielle referred to her handgun, which she called "daisy." she wrote, "i am so close to introducing them both to daisy." michael responded, "haha we can do it together! as a date. smiley face." in yet another, she wrote, "i hate them with every inch of me. revenge will be mine and it will be very, very sweet."