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ed lavandera while he's reporting on live television. okay. ed popped up there and he was a-okay. the man who shofd him down later apologized. one man is fighting for his life. witnesses say he was shot by another civilian in the crowd the city now considering whether to implement a curfew to prevent new violence overnight. we expect to hear from the mayor of charlotte and the police chief in the next hour. we're covering this story from every angle for you. reporters on the ground. experts from law enforcement and one big city mayor tested by similar outbreaks of violence. this as we wait to hear if the city of charlotte will release any of the videotape of that deadly shooting. let's begin in downtown charlotte where nick valencia is this morning. good morning, nick. >> good morning, carol. last night the city of charlotte was seemingly torn from within by riots. what started as peaceful protests ended in violence. tonight -- today, i'm sorry, we're in front of a store front that shows you the aftermath of what happened here last night. things were anything but peaceful at the end of it. overnight, a state of emergency declared in charlotte. the governor deploys the national guard. >> we cannot tolerate violence we cannot tolerate the destruction of property. and will not tolerate the attacks towards our police officers. >> violent protests erupt for a second night. in the chaos, a man lay bleeding on the ground from his head. authorities say one person was shot by another civilian outside the city's mommy hotel. that person is on life support and in critical condition. police descend on demonstrators in roy riot gear, firing flash grenades and employing tear gas to disperse crowds. cnn's boris sanchez in the middle of the intense scene. >> whoa okay! they clearly want us out of here. ed lavandera also caught in the fray. >> it's okay. >> reporter: knocked over by a protester while reporting on live tv. the protester later apologized. >> taking out their frustrations on me. >> reporter: police confirmed several police officers suffered injuries. charlotte officials say, if unrest continues, they'll explore quote other options including curfews to keep people off the streets. >> we are working very hard to bring peace and calm back to our city. we know that this is not who charlotte is. this is not who we are. >> adding to the anger here among demonstrators is what they say a lack of transparency. they want to see the police cam footage, the body cam footage, police say that is currently part of the investigation and no timetable on when or if it will be released. meanwhile, back outside here in front of one of those damaged store fronts, a heartwrenching story. i just spoke to the owner of this store behind me. believe it or not, carol, 25 years ago they had their convenience store in los angeles looted during the riots there in the '90s. they moved here 15 years ago, they say, because they wanted a safer place to raise their children. they saw their store front being vandalized live on cnn last night and felt helpless because they were too scared to do anything about it. they say they never could have imagined what happened here on the streets of downtown last night. carol? >> all right nick valencia reporting live from charlotte, north carolina this morning. when you see the pictures of what went down in charlotte last night you can't help but think what was happening in baltimore just last year. intense anger, rioting, destruction of property. baltimore's mayor stephanie rawlings-blake led baltimore through that crisis. she joins me now live. welcome and thank you so much for being with me this morning. >> thank you. >> there, there is a fear that this rioting will happen again tonight in charlotte. so what do you say as mayor of a city to calm things down? >> it's a very tough situation for any mayor to be in. particularly in today's society. we know that our country is at a boiling point when it comes to race relations. when it comes to police community relations. and it's difficult to strike that right balance. that you want peace. you want there to be order. and you also have to honor the request of the families. and mr. scott's case the family is asking for peace. they want to be able to let this process, the investigation, move forward without destruction. i -- i pray, and you know, i beg for those people who want social justice and want progress that that the -- that they allow that process to happen without destroying the fabric of their community. because in baltimore we saw what happened. so many things were destroyed, and it took a lot of time and a lot of money and a lot of heartache from community members who were unable to get their prescriptions. unable to get food. because the stores were looted. and then those -- the looters are gone, and the community is left to rebuild. and i just hope that -- that there's peace in charlotte so the process can run its course. and so we can work as a community to make things better in our country. >> charlotte's mayor jennifer roberts, she's going to view the police video of mr. scott's death later today. you also dealt with something like this. what will go in to the decision to release this video? >> so they're dealing with laws that are different than baltimore's. i'm not sure what would go in to whether or not they will release it. based on those laws. but i can say in baltimore we work very hard on our body camera policy with community leaders. with the aclu. with the fop, and with other elected officials to make sure that our regulations when it comes to the body cam video leads us to a better sense of transparency. this is all about doing everything we can to repair the broken relationship between the police and the community and anything we can do in baltimore, in charlotte, in, you know, in chicago, in l.a., in new york, everywhere across this country that we can do to help repair that relationship we are going to be better for it. >> and, and, and some say releasing this videotape is so important because of transparency, earlier this morning we talked to the spokesperson for the fraternal order of police tom walther, the fraternal order of police in charlotte, he actually wachld the video of what went down with mr. scott, and here's what he had to say about that video. >> mr. scott was armed when he exited the vehicle. a weapon was recovered. a handgun was recovered on the scene next to mr. scott. he was seated in when he was approached but when he exited that vehicle, he was given clear commands to drop the weapon, and he did not do that. so he was armed when he came out of that vehicle and refused to listen to officers. >> so mr. scott's family is saying, mr. scott was sitting in his car and he was reading a book and he did not have a gun. so unless police release this video how do you get people in charlotte, those who are really angry, to believe what the police are saying? >> so we know that there are multiple videos, and the officer that you just spoke to saw one version of that. we talk about the video and the transparency as this -- you know, this would be magically solve all the problems. it won't. we have to deal with the underlike issues. the social justice issues. the fact that in too many communities there is a clear sense that there is a bias, a racial bias, against african-americans. we have to deal with those issues if we think we're going to prevent such violence from erupting in the future. people have to have confidence that no matter what the video shows that there's going to be justice. my hope is that like as i said in cities across our country we can have a national discussion about things like racial bias. about things like use of force policy in our police force. it is those broader issues, the underlying issues that are fuelling a lot of the distrust and the push. you're saying it's the call for the video. it's really a call for justice. a call for blind justice. if you are involved in a police interaction, that that interaction shouldn't be shaded by the shade of your skin. dlat you will be treated equally. we can't lose sight of the need to do the work in those areas. >> just a couple of questions i'd like to ask you before you have to go. you issued a curfew in baltimore. they're thinking about doing that in charlotte. the national guard has been called in to charlotte but hasn't been activated as far as i know. the national guard was called in to the city of baltimore. are those the right moves moving forward for the city of charlotte. >> i refuse to second-guess mayor roberts. she is on the ground. she has access to information that the media doesn't have, the people on the ground don't have. the same thing has happened in baltimore. you have to make those best judgments based on your experience and based on what you think is best for the citizens that you serve, and your community. i can say asking for implementing a curfew is tough. it definitely quelled the violence and got peace on the streets in baltimore. but it came at a significant cost. the cost to the community, whether it's people who couldn't get to and from work or businesses that had to close and that impacted people's ability to provide for themselves and their families, there are real costs when you do that. and that's why i pray that the protesters who want better, listen to the words of the families, there's never been a family that has been impacted by this violence or in custody deaths or death at the hands of police who've asked for looting. who's asked for violence. they want peace. they want -- they want peaceful protests so we can get to a better place. it's -- it breaks my heart to see the destruction that is done in the city because that doesn't do any -- it makes a bad situation a lot a lot worse. >> mayor stephanie rawlings-blake of baltimore. thank you so much for being with me this morning. still to come in the "newsroom" i will talk to one woman who was in the middle of those protests last night. why she says it feels like her home is burning down. ♪i liv♪in a black out town ♪midnight where we used to dance♪ ♪underneath the ugly halogen lamps♪ ♪oh, it all went away so fast ♪in a black out ♪ ...one of many pieces in my i havlife.hma... so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo opens up airways to help improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems and may increase the risk of hospitalization in children and adolescents. breo is not for people whose asthma is well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. once your asthma is well controlled, your doctor will decide if you can stop breo and prescribe a different asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. do not take breo more than prescribed. see your doctor if your asthma does not improve or gets worse. ask your doctor if 24-hour breo could be a missing piece for you. see if you're eligible for 12 months free at mybreo.com. what aremaking a cake!ht now? 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>> yes, we did that two nights in a row. we also did that on the night before. very often we were all dressed in clergy garb, so very often that will calm the storm. but they were inconsolable last night. it was -- it was quite the scene. and i am a charlotteen and this is like watching my home burn down. >> oh. do you think that like police said, the violence is being caused by outsiders coming in to charlotte? not residents themselves. do you agree with that? >> in great part, yes. there were quite a few people that we spoke with that absolutely were not from charlotte. but, the anger is all over the nation. and this is just another opportunity until justice is done we're going to continue to see this unfortunately. >> where were those people coming from that you talked with? >> outer lying areas, different counties. mecklenburg county is huge, we joined union county, and even a great deal of people from south carolina. >> so you said it seems as if your home is burning. that sounds ominous. >> yeah. it's -- charlotte is very transient city. and, very few of us that actually were born and raised in charlotte. and we fight to keep the peace and the beauty and the growth that we've seen over the years. and it's -- it's disheartening. >> so, will you put yourself in between protesters and police again tonight? >> if necessary, yes. >> and you know that is a great risk to yourself? >> it is a tremendous risk. but, we have to try to keep the peace. and it's not optional for me to sit at home and do nothing. >> reverend ammantha barbee thank you so much for joining me this morning. tensions are likely to remain high because of a lack of trust between the community and the police. so what do you do about that? with me now cnn law enforcement analyst cedric alexander, he's the former chief of police for dekalb county in georgia, i'm also joined by senior law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. welcome to both of you. >> good morning. >> good morning, carol. >> so what do you do, cedric? i mean tensions are high. they're in for another tense night. it's going to be this press conference at 10:30 eastern time with the mayor. what do you say to the community to calm things down? >> you know, listening to reverend barbee there just a moment ago as you can clearly see for yourself, carol, it's very touching, and very hurtful to hear her talk about her hometown in which she grew up in and she loved. and i'm quite sure that thousands of other people that live in that community feel the same way. what we have to do at this very moment is continue to, they have to continue to work with that community, build those relationships, but this is a time to, where the citizens in that community to truly understand what it is to exercise your first amendment rights, have to stand very squarely with their police department so that those outsiders, whether they're coming from the metro charlotte area or whether they're coming from out of state, to be able to say this is not going to be tolerated. we want to address the issue that is at hand. but we're not going to do it in a violent manner. and we're going to stand with our local police department, and the local police department must be willing to stand with those citizens, such as reverend barbee in order to push those people back out of the way, and just don't allow them to overtake that city and do what they did to that city last night. >> and, tom, you know, tulsa's having its own problems with the police involved shooting of an african-american man but there were no violent protests there. take a look at the pictures from tulsa. there were protests. they were very, very peaceful. the clergy is also very involved in tulsa and working with protesters, and community leaders, and police. so, it worked in tulsa but not in charlotte. why do you think that is? >> that's a very good question, carol. i don't know. and i don't think it's, you know, anger within the community that's at a greater level in charlotte than in tulsa. i think when you have people that come in from outside areas, to an area to cause trouble with police, all the community policing in the world in charlotte isn't going to be effective against people that don't live in charlotte. that aren't regularly dealing with the charlotte police. i don't know the answer to why not one community and not another in a situation like that. maybe the has to do with the public comments that were made locally that we really didn't hear what was being said in the local media by leaders, by police officials. there could be an explanation. but i'm not aware of it. something interesting was posted on facebook, cedric, by an african-american tulsa police offic officer. this is his facebook page. his name is officer popsy floyd. he said, quote, i work for you. and he's talking about the community. i will protect you. i do not take the authority that comes with my badge for granted. i know you may be upset about the recent events all over the country and now here in tulsa. i don't have the answers that you are looking for but i will continue to be a solution. needless to say, that post got lots and lots of hits. so, officer floyd is saying the right things? just your thoughts about that. >> i think he's saying the right things. and if you read between the lines, he's also describing himself as a guardian with that community. a person who is involved in the community, want to be involved. he's going to stand tall. he's going to do his job. and he's going to do what's right by the citizens of tulsa. and i think that's a very courageous and bold statement that he made. very much publicly through social media. and those are the type of police officers that we want to see across this country. those that want to come in to a community with a guardian spirit of helping and supporting communities, but community also is going to have to be mindful in spite of the challenges that are in front of us. they also have to be supportive of the young officer popseys that we just heard and the statements that he made. >> and tom i expect more nfl players to protest on sunday in light of what's happened in the past few days. but the seahawks richard sherman he says he won't kneel but he is speaking out and i found it interesting what he had to say. let's listen. >> you can try to inspire, say to inspire a person when you say, hey, we need black fathers to be in the community to stay there for your kids but they're getting killed in the street for nothing. for putting their hands on their cars. i think that's the unfortunate part. that's the unfortunate place that we're living in and something needs to be done. and so, when a guy takes a knee you can ignore it. you can say it's not being patriotic, it's not honoring the flag, i'm doing none of those things. i'm saying it straight up. this is wrong, and we need to do something. >> and i ask you about richard sherman's comments, tom because during the riots in baltimore ray lewis made an appearance and he did calm things down. he brought calm to the city. is something like that needed in charlotte? >> possibly. it would take somebody that's a role model or community leader that has some respect and authority to be able to speak out like that. but if they do speak out, they have great responsibility to not jump to a conclusion and immediately say that someone in their community was murdered by a police officer, or they only you know, were putting their hands in the car or had their hands up when it turns out they didn't. so there's a lot of responsibility that comes with that in my opinion. when someone speaks out they should at least not come to conclusions that have not been established yet. >> all right. i have to leave it there. cedric alexander, tom fuentes. we will continue the conversation i'm sure throughout the day. thank you so much. up next in the "newsroom" i'm joined by the naacp president in the charlotte area. i'll get her reaction to last night's violence and the conflicting reports on whether or not keith scott was holding a gun. with this level of engineering... it's a performance machine. with this degree of intelligence... it's a supercomputer. with this grade of protection... it's a fortress. and with this standard of luxury... it's an oasis. introducing the completely redesigned e-class. it's everything you need it to be... and more. lease the e300 for $549 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. i know more about isis then the apprgenerals do. age. john mccain, a war hero. he's not a war hero, he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured ok. donald trump compared his sacrifices to the sacrifices of two parents who lost their son in war. how would you answer that father? 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>> that's still unclear. in about an hour or so you will hear from the city's mayor, the city's police chief, and also several community members and that is one of the key questions. has she actually seen that footage. we understand at least one angle that we know of so far which is the dash cam angle of the actual shooting there of mr. scott here and when you get to speak to several individuals here in the community including at least one individual who happens to be a member of a police unit they will tell you that the video there does that least go along with the claims from the police department, what they claim actually took place, that mr. scott was not complying. but members of the community want to see that footage for themselves because you still have two competing versions of the story of what took place earlier this week. and so until that happens, many in the community say that you will continue to see that call for justice and of course, that call to have that video so as we wait to hear from city officials we'll be waiting to see really to confirm whether or not that footage has actually been seen. will it be seen by any member of the public, possibly a member of scott's family. and also what will be in place tonight ahead of what could be another night of protest. members of the community will tell you they want any demonstrations to remain peaceful as they started yesterday before things took a very rapid, and very terrible turn resulting in some injuries including at least four officers which were treated on scene as for that civilian who was reportedly shot by fellow civilians, carol we're told that his condition still listed as critical. a relative peace back on the streets of charlotte here and people want it to stay that way ahead of tonight as we wait to hear from the city very soon. >> all right we'll check back with you. violence erupting despite calls from scott's family and the naacp for demonstrators to remain peaceful. charlotte's mayor speaking out on abc this morning. >> we are hoping for a peaceful day. we are preparing for this evening, and we know that a peaceful protest, and many folks who do want to express their views peacefully turned in to something else last night. we have great folks in our community who really want this so be peaceful arntz want us to have constructive dialogue to move our city forward. >> all right. joining me now is the president of the naacp in the charlotte mecklenburg branch. good morning and thanks for being here. >> good morning. thank you. >> should police release that video? >> absolutely. absolutely. we're calling for transparency. and at the end of the day, if we want to really begin to build a better relationship then be transparent. it starts there. >> have police to your knowledge thought about inviting a member of the scott family to view that tape and and maybe naacp officials as well? >> the naacp has not been asked to come and view the video. my understanding is that the scott family is going to be given the opportunity to do so. if it's done, i'm not sure when but i'm hoping that it's done very soon. >> have you talked to any members of the scott family? i haven't as of tuesday i have not spoken to anyone, no. >> so what did they tell you on tuesday? they were still in the throes of pain. many of them still crying, some hysterically crying. and, some were just in a daze. they had just lost their dad. and in mourning. but we did discuss who their father was to them, the kind of person he was in terms of his character. how loving he was not only to them but to other members and children in the community. he was well loved. we heard that from these children. as well as neighbors and friends. >> even if police release video of the incident involving mr. scott i suspect that some members in the community still won't believe what went down. won't believe that that videotape tells the whole story. how do you get past that? >> at the end of the day, you know, a video may show a different perspective depending on the angle. and so it will have many different angles. you may not get the full picture. i think the most important part is the contrast in him having a book versus a gun. but in my mind and most of the community's mind, it really doesn't matter if he had a gun. at the end of the day we have the right under the second amendment to carry here in north carolina. and, their responsibility was to engage him in a more de-escalated way. to find out if he had a permit for his gun and allow him to go on his merry way and he would still be living today. that's not what happened. so i don't want anyone to walk away from this conversation today thinking that a video showing he had a gun in any way says that he was guilty of anything. >> so, so, how can, how can police convince the community, because it seems like the police chief thinks at least at this point that the shooting was justified. how do police convince citizens in charlotte that, maybe police were justified in shooting mr. scott? >> i don't think he's going to be able to do that. we've had so many african-american men and women killed at the hands of police. every one of those cases are deemed or at least 99% of those cases are deemed justifiable. in most cases, all the cop has to say is that i was in fear of my life. it was an imminent threat. he was on drugs or you know, he had a weapon. but as i stated earlier. when we have a white sister or brother who has a gun or even points a gun at someone, we had a case just recently where the gun -- the gunman actually shot cops. he was brought down. deengaged. de-escalated. he was allowed to live. and all we're asking for is the same treatment. to use the de-escalation, to treat us with humanity. >> thank you so much for being with me this morning. still to come in the newsroom. the wife of the suspected new york bomber back in the united states. but will she give the feds the answers they're looking for? i'm not a customer, but i'm calling about that credit scorecard. 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>> he doesn't know what he's talking about in that he has never visited any of the neighborhoods in chicago. he has no relationships with law enforcement community in chicago. as it happens, by coincidence, tonight mayor rahm emanuel who has been trying to solve this horrible crime situation in chicago, is giving a major address on it with more ideas that he has. so there's no possible way that donald trump is putting out a solution, stop and frisk is three words. it takes more than that to try and figure out why chicago is having the trouble it's having with this very serious problem of shootings. that's my point i would like to make. donald trump can come to chicago as hillary clinton has and go into neighborhoods and try and figure out that there might not just be one answer to this problem. >> well, donald trump went on and expounded on fox and friends this morning. he said stop and frisk, police can walk down the streets, and they can stop people who look suspicious, who they suspect have a gun, frisk them. if they have the gun they can take away the gun and there's a problem with gun violence in the city of chicago so why wouldn't that work? >> it's unconstitutional, carol. if it's unconstitutional one place, it's unconstitutional somewhere else. also, this idea that -- the problems with stop and frisk aren't just that it ends up being abusive to minorities but actually, i always thought it's somewhat dangerous for the police as well. you are asking police to basically consistently confront people, men and women on a regular basis, under the suspicion that they may have committed a crime or may have a weapon. it's provocative, it's incendiary, it's counter to basic police work. think of what we just saw happening in north carolina. he had a right to have the gun and the man was still shot in an open carry state. it's a bad idea but i'm not surprised, because the use of chicago at this point has become sort of a dog whistle for racial problems in the black community and that's why you hear a lot of candidates referring to it. he didn't really care about policy. he just wanted to mention chicago. >> please go on. >> no, no. i know you have invited donald trump to chicago. so has a very famous rapper i talked with. so far donald trump hasn't taken him up on his invitation. i want to talk about hillary clinton because she admitted she doesn't have all the answers, right, but she said she fell back on we have to come up with some national policy for how police handle these situations and there needs to be better community policing, but we have all heard those solutions before, lynn. >> this is a hard one because you can't criticize openly president barack obama in saying this is happening on your watch. after the ferguson shootings, as you know, barack obama's justice department started a lot of study of nationally, of what to do, they had a police commission they formed. hillary clinton said back in july the problem was the local police departments are not practicing what the best recommendations are to prevent this. i think this is a harder needle for hillary clinton to thread because she doesn't want to say that the obama justice department has been studying this. they do police studies ever since ferguson and you still have this problem. so she doesn't want to go against the president in saying that they haven't solved the problem. by the way, obama says it's our job to start the work even if we can't finish it. >> yet these problems persist. i want to talk about the birther controversy just one more time because donald trump sat down with a local reporter in columbus, ohio and that reporter asked donald trump what made him change his mind about the birther thing, what made him say that president obama was born in the united states, and donald trump answered that question. let's listen. >> well, i just want to get on with, you know, we want to get on with the campaign. a lot of people were asking me questions and you know, we want to talk about jobs, we want to talk about the military, we want to talk about isis and how you get rid of isis. we wanted to talk about bringing jobs back to this area because you have been decimated so we really want to get just back on to the subject of jobs, military, taking care of our vets, et cetera. >> so jason, he says he just wants to move on and it sounds as if it was all about political expediency. is donald trump sounding more and more like a politician as time winds down to election day? >> yeah. as time winds down to the debate next week. here's the thing. as somebody who had his time wasted at this ridiculous bait and switch press conference donald trump had as an advertisement for his hotel last week when he was supposedly going to end birtherism, all i can say is this. he probably still believes president obama wasn't born in the united states. it's a ridiculous question. it's the insane logic that somehow people figured out that barack obama fooled everybody, was born in another country but the mainstream media hasn't figured it out yet. the fact of the matter is donald trump, this is one of many different things that he says references to chicago, birtherism, that he uses to appeal to a certain segment of the population that's always been hostile to having an african-american president, and he's not going to deny it. even if he does publicly deny it somewhat, it's like marshawn lynch. he's just saying it so he doesn't get fined. he don't really change his mind on the issue. birtherism will still be there. >> i have to leave it there. thanks to both of you. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" after a break. good morning. i'm carol costello. thanks for joining me. we begin with breaking news out of charlotte, north carolina. this hour, city officials are expected to speak on overnight violence and the fear of more trouble tonight.

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