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plus, we will talk democratic strategy on confirmation hearings and beyond. >> i think you have to be careful and particularly in a new administration with an untested president. >> how the president-elect can test the limits. this is mtp daily and it starts right now. good evening. i'm in for chuck todd and we begin with breaking news. donald trump and his legal team settled in the trump university lawsuit. it appears the president-elect will not have to go on trial before heading to the white house. trump and his defense team agreed to pay $25 million, but the ag's office told nbc news it doesn't include an admission of wrong-doing. let's go to it with pete williams. can you break it down for us. >> the trial that was going to start in california would be a huge distraction and they asked the judge to delay it. the judge has been urging all sides to settle and now a settlement has been reached. the attorney general announced the settlement a moment ago and said it's $25 million not only for the case he brought in, but the two other cases that were filed out in san diego, one of which was to start after thanksgiving. what he said is for the longest time, trump insisted that there could be no settlement and he had not done anything wrong. now the big change that his lawyers agreed to a settlement, $25 million and some of that will be wait for the lawyering and the rest will be split among the students who a tended. two claims were coming to trial that said the promotional colors misrepresented the nature of this program and they said it was a university and it wasn't. it suggested it was affiliated with a university when it wasn't. trump hand picked the instructors which was not true. there will be no trial and it's all over but the writing of the checks. >> no admission of guilt. isn't the fact that he is settling an admission of guilt. >> guilt is not the right word with a civil lawsuit. there is no admission of wrong-doing, but that's the way settlements go. those who are sued often times say they didn't want to go to trial and roll the dies. that doesn't mean they are admitting wrong-doing. >> we turn now on the other dig superior. if you were brking for clues, trump named cabinet level posts. is marred by racism and another under fire for making derock tori comments about muslims and another is a benghazi fire brand. all controversial picks and all about to face the most intense gauntlet. jeff sessions is facing blow back from civil rights groups. in 1986, his nomination was rejected smt colleagues testified that he called the naacp unamerican and refers to it as a disgrace to his race and thought the can, kkk was okay until he found out they smoked pot. he later said that was a joke. he said i am not a racist and deny those statements. he acknowledged statements about civil rights groups as communist-inspired. >> these comments that you can say about the organization or something, i may have said something like that in a general way and it probably was wrong. >> the trump transition launched the press to defend him, sighting his vote to extend the voting rights act. we should note that sessions voted against loretta lynch, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. michael glynn is facing backlash in the intelligence committee obama's director at the defense intelligence agency, but i can report that multiple officials have keep reservations about them. he is a hot head with an abusive leadership style and one called him shallow and reactionary. he said fear of muslims is rational and called the islamic faith a political ideology. then trump's pick to run the cia. kansas congressman mike pompeo. he is a west point grad and one of the fiercest attack dogs. he sugd the cia, the agency that he has been tabbed to run was m misleading congress. he won praise today from the ranking democrat on the house intelligence committee. and my fellow road warrior throughout the tireless campaign season. let's get to the big picture. what does it say about trump's approach to governing? >> it said he is going to do what he campaigned on. shake-up washington. these are controversial appointments. the last first. pompeo has a reputation for being hard working and a west point grad and a lawyer and is hardworking. he is praised by adam schiff, the ranking democrat and others who said he is really a respectable and credible choice. with a republican committee sitting in judgment on him, he will be confirmed. he criticized the cia, but that said, a lot of people have criticized the agency and been put in with other house republicans. mike roger who is was removed from the transition committee and not going to get the cia and you can me if this is accurate or not. there are reports he might be director of national intelligence that eurosupervisee agencies. he will be opposed by the naacp and legal defense fund. they are opposing him not just because of what he said in the 80s, but because of his record since. there are latino groups opposing him because of his hard line on immigration and deportations as well. >> let's talk about jeff sessions. he did not get through confirmations in the 80s. let's listen to ted kennedy in 86 talking about sessions and we will talk on the other side. >> mr. sessions is a throw back to a shameful era which i know both black and white americans thought was in our past. it's inconceivable to me that a person of this attitude is qualified to be a u.s. attorney let alone a united states federal judge. he is i believe a disgrace to the justice department and should withdraw his nomination and resign his position. >> he needs a simple majority to get confirmed. what will the democrats going to do to stop that and do they have a chance of doing so? >> i'm not sure they are aligned against him. there is a tradition of courtesy and it doesn't also work. it didn't work in 1989 for the former head of the senate armed services committee. he did not get confirmed to be the defense secretary for george herbert walker bush. this is a republican senate and this is a republican senate committee. senator grassley is the chair and dianne feinstein is the ranking democrat. there is i would say a likelihood he will be the next attorney general. >> on mike flynn, he tweeted fear of muslims is rational. please forward this to other. the truth fears no questions. will it be our posture to fear all muslims? >> i doubt that would be the case, but the fact is he will be the last person to speak to the president after conflicts or arguments at the national security council. he will be running a power house agency. it is a 400 person national security council. it exploded in size in the white house. he will have unique ability to be the adviser on all things. he will be at donald trump's side and you have a president who is less experienced in national security than almost any of his predecessors. he will have a powerful roul role and his views on the radicals and muslim religion and tweets r going to be disturbing to the arab world and with whom he will have to deal. >> andrea mitchell in washington. >> an msnbc adviser is now with the bipartisan policy center and chris is an msnbc contributor and founder of the "washington post" blog. one of my favorite people to follow on twitter. >> oh, thank you. >> your reaction. what do you think it says about how president-elect donald trump will be governing. >> i don't think we should be surprised. these are the people he feels closest to and trusts. his inner circle. president obama shook it up by naming hillary clinton in the early going, but one thing you have to accept is this guy won the election and he is going to put in some people at least that are going to directly counter many of the people who have those jobs currently. i think the voters voted for a radical change and donald trump views this as delivering on it. once we get beyond the first couple, does he picnicky haley or mitt romney? does he pick people no the in his inner circle or people who are critical of him? >> does he find somebody who is not necessarily a reporter? we are finding that that is not necessarily the case. keeping the focus on the cap net picks we know, the naacp's legal defense fund was to say that it is unimaginable that jeff sessions could be entrusted to serve as the chief law endorsement officer. do you believe those fears are grounded? >> of course they are grounded. based on what allegedly senator sessions said almost 30 years ago. donald trump is a loyalist and this is not surprising that he is appointing or nominating people loyal to him in the first cabinet picks. the question is whether or not he takes a page out of barack obama playbook or abraham lincoln's book where he puts people in place that quite frankly were against him. whether it's a jeb bush or a senator ted cruz or mitt romney that nbc news reported he will be meeting on later this weekend. that's a true test of character and whether or not you want to put the people in those positions that really have significant influence and not to suggest the office does not. clearly it does. when you talk about the secretary's slot and secretary of treasury and the power positions, if you will, the question is whether or not donald trump will put loyalists in the positions or put true qualified people in the positions regardless of whether or not they were critical of him in the past or not. >> speaking to sources in the romney world, they believe this is ultimately going to be a courtesy call and don't think it's that serious thins the men had so much to say about each other in the campaign. i want to keep the focus because there so many questions surrounding what's going to happen if he is confirm and when he is confirm and when donald trump takes office when we are talking about immigration. he helped draft donald trump's immigration policy in the early stages. my question to you, maria, would it be that he is going to be somebody who will enforce all of these more extreme statements that donald trump made on the trail and endorsing a muslim ban or registry and stop and frisk across the country and leveling sanctuary cities or refuse them to maintain themselves. and what about immigration? the day after donald trump was elected, they said they voted for him because of the economy. the people in the first nomination as part of his cabinet would deal with building the economy. we are getting the juxtaposition of individuals who have been charged when it comes to racial profiling and folks that have contested civil liberties. the main point is to protect the individuals that are the most vulnerable. jeff sessions is the opposite of that. opposed the voting rights act and violence against women's act. he denigrated latinos and has an opinion when it comes to african-americans and the idea of who should be an american. he said his election was testament to people wanting change, but the cast of characters he puts up has nothing to do with the economy, but defining who is and is not american. >> let's talk about the democratic strategies. some want to go nuclear, but so far not senator schumer. >> i'm not going to make quick judgments on any of them a& thee are so important and have to be careful and particularly with an untested president. >> what will they try to do in the next two years to try to find a way to reassert themselves? >> i think shumer is doing the right thing there. he is not saying i'm not going to oppose these people. he is saying i'm not deciding on what we are doing yet. even if he has, he is not going to tell anyone. >> what is difficult and you know this, even if all 46 democrats and the two independents lineup, as long as republicans get the 51 or 52 republicans, he is the attorney general. the senate is among the most exclusive clubs and they may hang him around a bit. it may not be 90-10 with a vote, but in this day and age, i think jeff sessions would be thrilled to be confirmed 52-48 right along party lines and that may wind up being what happens. >> that are doesn't sound like drain the swamp to me. stay with us. we will talk about it more coming up later. up next, we will keep talking about the democrats and the job that senate democrats almost couldn't give away. we will look at the democrats's leadership scramble and how they will govern come january. and later from business dealings to family ties, the potential conflicts of interest facing had the-elect trump. more on the trump university lawsuit settlement. stay tuned. if you're approaching 65... now's the time to get your ducks in a row. 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statements like these get overanalyzed in the cabinet sweepstakes and we will see if they have an impact on the decisions. we will talk democratic strategy in the post trump world. >> if you need a sign highlighting the mess the democratses are in, no one wants to run the committee. they were not mentioned earlier when the democrats rolled out the rest of their leadership. it's one of the most difficult jobs on the hill right now. democrats need to defend 23 seats in a 2018 mid-term and the two held by independent who is talk us with the democrats. ten are in states trump won in november. according to politico, cory booker, chris coons and chis shaheen side stepped the post. chris van hol an is an unusual responsibility for a senate freshman and a tall order. earlier this week it didn't seem like he was gunning for the gig. he said "i'm focused on orientation. i haven't had a chance to focus on it. i'm not planning on that." in a statement today, senator schumer said that was his first choice for the job. chris is a democratic strategist and ceo of park street strategies and a democratic strategist and pop adviser to senator-elect chris van hol in and dnc official. doug, you worked closely with van hol in. what does it mean that nobody in the party wanted this job? >> i think they got the right guy. i think chris was the top choice. he has run the d.c. cc two cycles and he knows how to win in very tough districts. he knows a lot of senators who are up. this map is not good for democrats. the map was in place in 2006 when democrats won back the senate. it's doable and i think if we continue to see the trump administration behave like they are, it give gives democrats an opportunity to maybe not win back the senate, but keep it to a minimum. >> certainly not that he seemed like he was gunning for. am i wrong to say that? >> it is a difficult job especially for a freshman-elect. he is one of the most talented democrats in congress right now. he has been in tough situations before whether it's negotiating very important deficit or debt deals or being a top adviser to nancy pelosi, prepping joe biden for debates. he has done just about everything you can think of in politics and this is a challenge, but he will rise to it. >> speaking of nancy pelosi, she has been leading the conference for 12 years, but democrats need a new direction. they needed a new quarterback and earlier he also said this. >> we got our clocks cleaned in 2010. we barely won seats in 12. we got the clocks cleaned in 14 and here in 16. we are going to put the same leadership in. i come out of the world of sports and when you are in sports, if you are a pitcher and they keep hitting home runs on you, you take the pitcher out of the game. >> is this a compelling argument? >> it's a difficult argument to argue against to some extent. there is a brutal reality that democrats have to accept. we have to accept if we are going to acknowledge what needs to change to be more competitive. this election was an incredible so shock for democrats and we are struggling to figure out what happened and the reasons and where do you go from here? in terms of the reality of congressman ryan winning the minority leadership, i think it will be a tough haul given the support that nancy pelosi has in her caucus. i know there is a lot of back and forth about what it means. i think it's a good thing. we should not rush into anything whether it's dnc chairs or minority or majority positions. we need to figure out what we need to be doing message wise to tactics to become more competitive. >> talking about that, the d.c. cc said in their post assessment, the democrats need to tie trump and house republicans together, but they tried to do that all year and it was not effective. how is this going to work in the general? >> it will depend in terms of what he promises. i don't think you can apply the same old traditional playbook to donald trump. if anyone thinks you can, i'm not sure you got the bulletin that we got our clocks cleaned. he is going to be a much more difficult individual to frame. i think the way we have to do this this, we have to hold him accountable to what he promised. he promised the sun and the moon and those promises the american people expect him to hold, but if he does do some of those that will have a neckative impact on this country, we have to hold him accountable. a lot of it depends on what he does. simply to apply this logic of how he does, we can then win back the senate and house seats. we, meaning the democratic party have to come up with a message, a vision for the country that is distinct from republicans and appeal to a wide swath of voters. we didn't do that the last election. if we don't, we are battling around the margins. >> what president obama came to office, republicans were obstructionists and it worked. trump has a super majority and it never worked well for the democratic party. will it be viable for them to push back against a trump administrati administration. >> they should push back. when trump wants to destroy medicare and take coverage away from folks who have preexisting conditions or take coverage away from 20 million americans or provide tax breaks to billionaires or build a wall or deport undocumented people, those are things that the democrats should fight against. on things such as investments in infrastructure and urban areas or trump said he would think about raising the minimum wage, those are areas where democrats could be supportive of him. i think democrats are probably going to give him a better shot at the beginning than republicans ever did with barack obama. >> why do you think that is? why do democrat dos it when republicans won't? >> that's a question you should ask republicans. they made a decision early on that they were going to oppose everything that barack obama did for political reasons. that was not in the best interest of the country. i think democrats are probably focused on how we can get things done for people who are hurting. also stand up for issues and beliefs we care about. we will not roll over for donald trump or the republicans, but we will find areas to work with him. a lot of places we can't. >> thank you so much. still ahead, could some of donald trump's fiercest critics on the campaign trail become closest confidants in the white house? stay tuned. ♪ [beeping] take on any galaxy with a car that could stop for you. simulation complete. the new nissan rogue. rogue one: a star wars story. in theaters december 16th. loothat could savecare presyou money?rug plan at unitedhealthcare, we offer three plans to choose from to help meet your needs- including one that's brand new for 2017. introducing the aarp medicarerx walgreens plan insured through unitedhealthcare. it features $0 copays on all tier 1 prescription drugs filled at walgreens, one of our lowest monthly premiums, and the convenience of more than 8,000 walgreens nationwide, including duane reade. so if you're on medicare call unitedhealthcare to discuss your prescription drug plan options. you can enroll right over the phone or if you'd prefer, enroll online. but don't wait. the open enrollment period ends december 7th. the aarp medicarerx walgreens plan provides coverage for the most commonly used generic drugs. and when you fill your prescription at a neighborhood walgreens you could really save money. get $0 copays for tier 1 prescription drugs and a $0 annual deductible on tier 1 and tier 2 drugs. call to see if your drugs are covered, and get help understanding your drug plan options. we'll send you a free enrollment guide, even help you enroll right over the phone. or you can enroll online- it's quick and easy. remember, open enrollment ends december 7th. at unitedhealthcare, we're committed to helping you find the medicare part d plan that fits your needs and budget. that's why we offer three plans. like our new aarp medicarerx walgreens plan with one of our lowest monthly premiums and $0 copays for tier 1 prescription drugs when filling at any of the more than 8,000 walgreens nationwide. call unitedhealthcare today to learn more about your prescription drug options and find the plan that's right for you. ♪ mapping the oceans. where we explore. protecting biodiversity. everywhere we work. defeating malaria. improving energy efficiency. developing more clean burning natural gas. my job? 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>> i'm not surprised at all. i would be surprised if he hadn't. i didn't want to be testifying and i'm sure he is happy to have that one in his rear view mirror. >> let's talk about ivanka. she was on the phone with shinzo abe and we will not show you the picture because it was a handout picture, but is it appropriate for donald trump's daughter to be doing that? especially since she doesn't have security clearance and number two, she is by all of the accounts going to be running his business. >> as you said, she doesn't have a security clearance and there were no sensitive issues talked about. >> how do we know that? >> you basically know it. donald trump is not a government employee yet. therefore the conflict of interest rules that i think your question is premisesed on don't yet apply. there is an appearance issue as there always is. at this stage of the process, the trumps get to decide what the appearance is. >> conflict of interest laws will not apply to him, but the appearance is tripping a lot of people up. let me talk to you about this. his children will be running the business. it is not a blind trust. they published an op sed urging him to liquidate his stake in the company. they are out of problem and if mr. trump doesn't liquidate, he will be accused of a pecuniary motive. how does it harm a trump presidency going forward? >> this will be a constand thorn in his side. every time he takes a position on an issue, he takes the negotiations with china and that's about the loan or investments or something you are building. it's going to come back to haunt him ways until sunday and when it comes to international issues, there are legal problems having to do with constitutional issues. >> you are saying to trust donald trump on a lot of these things, but jared kushner who is ivanka's husband is considering a job in the west wing. he is married to ivanka. if there is dealings where he is let in on security issues, he is let in on governmental affairs, foreign affairs and he is married to her, can we presume rightfully there is going to be a wall between the two of them in talking about business and talking about governing? >> there will always be scrutiny of this as there should be. they will verify it and where one spouse was in government and another was in private business. it's not like anything is new. the american people knew it when they cast their ballots and presumably that was built into the vote. >> last question to you on mitt romney since you know him so well. they will have a meeting this weekend from the trump side. they want to offer him or potentially consider him for secretary of state. is this something it is often offered that mitt romney would be interested in? >> i think so. mitt romney told everyone that worked with him you owe a duty to the country. this is a time where mitt romney although he and donald trump were rivals and no one can accuse mitt of pulling his punches, hooey is willing to talk with donald trump and donald trump is willing to talk to him. that all in all is a very good signal that donald trump is reaching out beyond the tight circle of advisers on his campaign. >> even if he is not offered the role, the appearance of the two men together if there is a photo that comes out, what does it say to the country? >> it's very reassuring to the establishment republican branch and i suspect the rest of the country that someone of mitt romney's experience is being considered for this job. >> thank you both. still ahead in the lid, why president trump has president obama putting off retirement. stay with us. ♪ ♪ see ya next year. this season, start a new tradition. experience the power of infiniti now, with leases starting at $319 a month. infiniti. empower the drive. you totanobody's hurt, new car. but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? 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>> the democrats to say they are in a in a difficult position is an understatement, katy, they got the wind knocked out of them last week. so when you're looking at realignment and trying to listening to the voters, that is the totality of the progressive movement should be. so not just latino, asian, african-american voters, but also making sure that they are bringing back white progressives. that is the challenge. and people would say that pelosi, while an incredible leader for the last 14 years, that perhaps it's time for her to realign and give -- hand over the reins to someone else. and it may be to ryan, to someone that folks don't know very well, but at least seems to have the semblance of trying to bring in a whole bunch of different groups together at the same time. >> robert, obama said that basically, trump saw it coming. that he saw it coming and he couldn't stop it. have they learned their lesson? >> i don't know, but i will take the from tim ryan. tim ryan said, look if you have the same leadership team in place that's lost elections for the past three to four cycles, maybe we need to have a new leadership team. and the question becomes, quite candidly speaking, is whether or not president obama should be a part of that. the reality is, he has a very high favorable rating, about 55% when he leaves office in a month and a half, but the question then comes, whether he was part of the problem in some of these congressional districts, and where he campaigned, if he actually helped. the clinton campaign thought that the president and first lady being out on the campaign trail would boost african-american turnout and also people of color turnout in terms of the latino community. we now know that simply wasn't the case, particularly in philadelphia and some of the other states, where senator -- or secretary clinton underpumped. i think the real question is twofold. one, is the current leadership team in place on the democratic side, is that the right team moving forward, and secondly, how does president obama, how does he fit into this. >> chris, i'm not sure you saw this, but "the hollywood reporter" interview with steve bannon, who's been one of the most mysterious figures on the campaign trail this year, i want to put up for our viewers a couple of the comments from this. darkness is good. dick cheney, darth vader, say tan, that's power. it only helps us when they get it wrong, when they're blind to who we are and what we are doing. he also said, i'm not a white nationalist, i'm a nationalist. i'm an economic nationalist. and the annoyed bubble is the ultimate symbol of what's wrong with this country. it's just a circle of people talking to themselves who have no effing idea what's going on. i mean, the media by and large got this election wrong with the poll numbers, the pollsters got it wrong, trump's internal polling got it wrong, the rnc's polling got it wrong. is bannon a much-more -- i don't know, intelligent and forward-thinking person than he's given credit for? >> yeah. i have no, no knowledge of his intelligence. i assume he's pretty smart. he's a successful investment banker. he's founded a successful media site, and now he's the senior adviser to the president. i haven't done any of those things. so i give him all that. >> there's still time. >> well, yes, i'm 40 now, katy, there's not that much time for me. >> and chris, you're smarter. >> thanks. >> you're better on twitter. anyway. >> what i would say is that i think what he's doing with some of those quotes like, you know, darkness is good. if the ultimate goal of a senior adviser to the president is to help further the cause of the president, burnish his image, you know, whatever you think it is, that is not helpful to donald trump. this stuff about trying to clarify whether he's a white nationalist or an economic nationalist, you know, that's not terrible. but some of that stuff, where it sounds -- he sounds, those first quotes you read, katy, i thought this when i was reading it, it sounds like yoda. >> come on, now, chris. >> there's a lot of stuff in there where you're like, i don't totally understand where he's going. like, we need to, only if we're blind that -- so i don't know if it helps -- >> katy wing one of the things that we should actually pay attention to is that right after he was named senior adviser, the breitbart report basically promised they were going to open four bureaus around the world. is he going to have a hand in opening up those bureaus. >> that's exactly the question i want to ask you. if donald trump has this media wing at his disposal, this idea of a post-fact news world or a post-truth news world, what does that mean for the way that this country is educated? 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the trump tax plan, one that could give business and individuals a big break but could also blow a multi, ready for this, trillion, trillion dollar hole in the federal budget. you're in luck, i'm not just in d.c. with me i've got the best team in the business to break it down. i want to take you first to nbc's kristen welker live at the white house. kristen, we know president trump is busy tweeting up a storm this morning. but talk to us a bit about his tax plan. what do we think is in there? >> okay, steph, here's what we know so far. today's announcement will essentially be a blueprint of the president's tax principles and priorities. steve mnuchin and the president's top economic advisor expected to roll out the details a little bit later on this afternoon. the headline of this, steph, the proposed slashing of the business tax rate to 15%. now here's the key. it will apply to big corporations and also small businesses as well as real estate firms, like president trump's. aides say the plan will also increase deductions that americans can claim and that means that it can go significantly higher than the $6300 standard for individuals and that $12,600 standard for couples. but the challenge here is it's not clear how the white house will pay for it. you already have some republicans expressing concerns that it could add to the deficit. here's what steve mnuchin, the treasury secretary, had to say about all of this earlier today. >> i'm hopeful that democrats will work with us on this. i hope they won't stand in the way of creating tax cuts for small business, for making business competitive, for simplifying personal taxes. so we're hopeful that it's bipartisan. but as you know, there's multiple ways of doing this and the president is determined that we will have tax reform. >> reporter: later on today we'll have here at the white house, but critics also pouncing on the fact that we still haven't seen president trump's tax returns. so how is this tax proposal going to benefit him? we still don't know. so it will shine a light on that issue as well, steph. >> i want to bring my panel in to look at this. brian lanza, former trump communications director and managing director at mercury llc, krystal ball, senior fellow at the new leaders council, also author of the new book, "reversing the apocalypse, hijacking the democratic party to save the world." and my friend and former colleague, brendan greeley. brendan, i want to start with you. this tax cut for businesses, it's not just about -- i mean the point of it, let's hope, is not for businesses to have more money on their balance sheet, not to help their bottom line, but to spur economic growth. does this do that? >> not what we've seen so far. so basically there are two ways to create economic growth for the tax code. you can either make it easier for individuals to buy things that increases demand or you can make it easier for businesses to invest. so the problem with getting businesses to invest is this tax code that they're proposing right now is going to do something called lowering the cost of capital. you know what this means, it just means making it cheaper for businesses to buy physical plants, equipment, things that make workers more productive. here's the problem. capital could not possibly be any cheaper right now. it's easy for corporations to borrow money. they're sitting right now on $760 billion in cash, unspent cash. they're sitting on this wad of money and not spending it. so it's hard to say that we're going to make a change to the tax code that suddenly is going to get them to spend money that they could spend today. >> one second, though. in defense of the administration, one of the reasons we've seen corporate america not spend money is because of the uncertainty around the regulatory environment that they experienced during the obama administration. you know this is true. >> i'm smiling because my definition of regulatory uncertainty is when businesses say we're not certain we're going to agree with this regulation. so, yes. we'll get regulatory certainty, that's true. it's hard to say, though, that this is going to create -- you know, given the regulations that they have rolled back so far, i haven't seen that much that's going to create economic growth. >> that is a good point. brian, steve mnuchin said we hope this could be the biggest tax reform ever. we hope democrats get behind it. it's not just democrats. if you look at independent tax analysts, they're saying this could bust a multi-trillion hole in the budget. fiscal conservatives don't like the sound of that. are republicans going to get behind it? >> i think it if leads to job growth and economic growth they're going to be supportive of it. i think there's a little concern about the deficit that may come from this but you have to look at it in the totality. you have to see that the whole point of less regulations, the whole point of this tax cut is to spur economic growth. in the long run you'll see that that economic growth comes to fruition and they'll be less concerned about the deficit that comes out of it now. >> krystal, many have concerns around president trump releasing his taxes. if standard deduction changes, if simply it's easier to do your taxes, a lot of people are going to like that, irrelevant of their party. >> absolutely. when you say tax cut, the headline sounds good. everybody wants to pay less in taxes. i want to, you want to, i'm sure businesses want to as well. but it's the details here that matter. and this plan disproportionately helps big business and helps president trump himself. it helps hedge funds, it helps real estate investment trusts just like what president trump is a part of. as you point out, if we had his tax returns, we might know just how much he's going to benefit from this but that is where the bulk of the gains go to here. i want to pick up on something brian was saying. he was saying if these spur economic growth then we don't have to worry so much about the deficit. there is simply no proof that these kinds of tax cuts are going to increase growth in any meaningful way, and so we are talking about a massive hole in the deficit. anything else is magical, hopeful, fantasyland thinking. >> i hate to pile on here, but i think when you look at the analyses that we have from the tax foundation, which is sympathetic to republican priorities on analyzing this, they still find even if you do dynamic scoring and account for economic growth, these tax cuts still, the 15% pass through, 15% on corporations still leaves a huge hole in the budget. just yesterday we had some good peer reviewed analysis of what happened in kansas. they lowered the pass through rate to zero and what they discovered was there was very little increased business investment and there was a lot of income shifting to take advantage of a lower tax rate. i don't understand why we would look at that and say, okay, this is not going to happen on the national level. >> essentially tax evasion is what you're talking about. high net worth people switching way that they're earning income so they can take advantage of that 15% rate which sounds a lot better than what they're paying now. >> the growth is going to come from small businesses. if you look at this tax plan, if you look at the regulations that the president is trying to reverse, you're going to see that growth will take place in small businesses. the deficit will be what the deficit is. over years you've seen that you grow out of a deficit, you don't cut your way out of a deficit. so the president has put forward a plan of economic growth, which is a tax cut component, which is a big part and also going to be the reducing of these regulations, which is targeted for the small businesses. they're the ones that are the backbone of our economy. they're the ones that will benefit the most from these cuts and from these reversing the regulations. >> i will have to say that remains to be seen because we don't know what the details are. to the point of looking at lowering the rate on a national level, look at europe. we've got 15% corporate tax rate and what do they have? zombie economies across the board. we have to move forward to the trump administration's latest round of legal trouble. a federal judge has blocked a third white house order on immigration, forbidding the administration from withholding federal funds from so-called sanctuary cities. president trump responded this morning via twitter, blasting the ninth circuit's, quote, ridiculous ruling and threatening to take the case to the supreme court. here's the problem. the judge who made the decision has absolutely nothing to do with the ninth circuit. nbc's justice correspondent pete williams has been following this. reince priebus said the decision is, quote, bananas. explain it to us. >> this goes back to an executive order the president signed in late january on immigration and it basically says that cities that don't cooperate fully with immigration authorities risk losing their federal money, their federal grants. it asks the secretary of state of homeland security to draw up a list of sanctuary cities an then directed the attorney general to look at withholding their federal funds. what the federal judge in california said yesterday in his ruling is a president can't do that. only congress can change the rules for what money goes to local cities. only congress can decide how to change who gets what. they hand out the money, not the president. you can't change the rules after the money has already been handed out. and you can't put new conditions on grants that were previously received. so basically he said the president didn't have the authority to do this. the white house did put out a statement this morning saying, quote, today's ruling -- this is yesterday. today's ruling undermines faith in our legal system and raises serious questions about circuit shopping. meaning presumably that the opponents of this went to where they thought they could get a favorable ruling. but san francisco and santa clara counties have long been going in a back and forth with the federal government even before president trump came into office about this issue. it should be noted, stephanie, that the president didn't entirely turn off this executive order because there is a federal law that says cities cannot restrict what law enforcement -- information law enforcement gives to the federal government. and if cities do that and there's still some legal issue about that, that predates the executive order, they could lose some federal justice grants. but the judge yesterday said one of the problems with the executive order is that it apparently applied to all federal grants, not just those tied to that law. >> well, circuit shopping is my second favorite right after black friday. brian lanza, i turn to you first. president trump again attacking the judges after getting an unfavorable response. his own guy, neil gorsuch, has had the same kind of response to an order like this. it almost seems sometimes that the president, and i realize that he's learning while he's on the job, doesn't understand that there are three separate and equal branches of government and the judges don't work for him. >> sure. but that doesn't exempt them from criticism. you look at the vast majority of people who want sanctuary cities put to a stop and utd a judge out of california rule against the president. that's the first step in the process. the war is ultimately resolved pie the supreme court. we have a president who heard this public opinion and heard the left say we're going to challenge you in court. i'm glad he's starting the process because it doesn't forbid him from going forward to the supreme court. this is a very important issue that needs to be resolved. the american people want an end to sanctuary cities. >> some american people. >> the vast majority want to reverse sanctuary cities and he is moving forward on that mandate. >> he may be moving forward on that mandate, but the question is, is he doing it in a legal fashion. the judge said, quote, if there was a doubt about the scope of the order, the president and the attorney general have erased it with their public comments. president trump, his tweet storm, he himself on twitter calling it a ban. is he shooting himself in the foot kind of like what he did with the travel or immigration ban telling a story that he shouldn't instead of just keeping his game tight? >> i think we have seen that, but also the way he uses twitter is also obviously a great advantage to him. i don't need to tell brian that. but i think the language of this is very interesting, which is that the actual way that you can prevent from sharing information with federal authorities is at the county level. but we're not talking -- we're not using the language of sanctuary counties. counties feel more american. they feel like a place where we live and rural people live as well. we're talking about sanctuary cities, which is interesting. there has been a fight between this administration and cities. there was one small regulatory order that was signed a week ago that prevented cities from setting up their own retirement plans. there is this steady drum beat of conflict between the administration and cities in america. >> that's an interesting point. >> we've got to leave it there. >> san francisco is its own county. >> and he is from the state of california. all right, you guys are here for a while. up next, our own hallie jackson got an exclusive sitdown with ivanka trump. how does she define her role in the white house and her reaction to the jeers she received in her first official overseas trip as a member of her father's administration. and before we go, here's last night's take. >> since becoming president, donald trump has not left the country. he's barely left the country club. but today, trump sent ivanka to berlin to participate in a women's conference, making her the first trump to attend a women's conference that didn't include a swimsuit competition. and the urinary symptoms of bph. tell your doctor about your medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have a sudden decrease or loss of hearing or vision, or an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis. testinhuh?sting! is this thing on? 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>> reporter: that those questions are still there, stephanie. ivanka trump was asked repeatedly on this trip to berlin what is her role? what does it mean to be an assistant to the president? how does she see this role evolving. while she answered the questions, she answered them with i would say more questions saying, hey, i'm listen, i'm learning, i'm getting my bearings. i'm paraphrasing here. she talked about how she's fairly new to this position and is clearly still working to refine what this role is going to mean for her. her signature issue on the campaign trail and in the administration has been to try to empower working women, right? the economic empowerment of females in the workforce, specifically here at this summit female entrepreneurs. but there are a lot of questions about when this talk about helping women will actually turn to action. what concrete steps trump is going to take as this role as assistant to the president. there's one thing her team talked about coming out of the summit is this fund announced by angela merkel to help women entrepreneurs around the world backed by the world bank. ivanka trump has been working closely with the president of the world bank on this and e.r. issues as well. but i think the timeline when he asked, you get an answer like, hey, we're still putting a team together. so i think that is something a lot of folks will be watching given that ivanka trump is stepping up on the international stage. she's already looking ahead to more international trips, even after the reception she got here in berlin, so we will see how that plays out, steph. here's what she had to say about how she sees this role. you can hear what i'm talking about. >> i think with me he knows that i'm an honest broker. that even when my viewpoints are divergent, i don't have a hidden agenda, i'm very open with what my beliefs are and what my agenda is, and i enable him to reach either the same conclusion or a modified version of his conclusion. >> reporter: that doesn't sound much different from her role during the campaign so we will see how her role plays out and if her portfolio sharpens up, if you will. >> all right. i want to bring my panel in. brian lanza and krystal ball, also assistant to george w. bush, currently a professor at american university. anita, welcome. i want to play another clip of some of the comments ivanka made yesterday. >> i think as a country, we've gotten to a place where denouncement is more important and culturally relevant than compromise, than discussion, than substantive engagement. >> now, ivanka says she doesn't have to denounce her father and she doesn't necessarily. she is now a senior appointee within the white house. among other comments, she said i consider myself a feminist. she said it is a call to action for all women to come together, support one another and get behind each other. she then sat down for an exclusive print interview with breitbart news. this is an organization who has head headlines such as would you rather your child had feminism or cancer? an organization that says birth control makes women unattractive and crazy. so there's a lot of questions around does ivanka's message pair with her actions. and that right there doesn't line up for me. >> well, i think, stephanie, actually the fact that she's talking to a wide range of media outlets is important, because you've got to break through and get your message through. i think her message is consistent, no matter who she's talking to. i think one of the things that she said yesterday too, she's beginning to understand this politics is politics. and she has got to play on a political field, meaning talking to everybody. and what she's bringing to the table is quite different. i mean she is an advisor to the president, but that's never going to divorce her from the fact that she is the president's daughter. she is going to -- she of course is going to feel wounded when he is attacked. it's her responsibility to get out there and defend him and defend what he's trying to do and defend what she's trying to do is fulfilling an official role in the white house. >> brian, how challenging is it, given that this is ivanka's passion and her mission, what the administration has already done? we've already heard from democrats and republicans who have met with the white house, met with president trump since the administration trying to put forth workplace fair acts. president trump hasn't backed them. ivanka hasn't backed them. in fact he signed an executive order to roll back an act president obama put in place to protect or try to improve gender pay. so how does ivanka carry out this message and this mission when that's not reflected in what her father is doing. >> let's talk about the policy that was rolled back. if it was such an important policy, why did he wait until the last minute? >> why did who wait? >> obama to pass over this executive order that president trump had to reverse. >> hold on a second. hold on a second. >> go ahead. >> why does it matter when in his administration he got it done? gender pay is a massive issue. ivanka talked about how she believes it's important. she actually talked about it right here. i want to share it real quick. >> i am incredibly hopeful that legislation is put together and obviously i'm a big advocate and working diligently to ensure that happens. it has to be bipartisan. >> so what does it matter when president obama signed that order? he did sign the order and it's the only thing we have in government trying to protect women in terms of openness about what they're getting paid in the workplace. >> well, it absolutely matters when it was signed. it matters because the next president or he would have had to institute the executive order that took place. >> so why not do it? >> first of all, the pay is an important issue. it's not a function of why not do it, it's a function of doing it right. the president at the end passed a lot of things that were ticking time bombs and he had to reverse. this is obviously a priority of the president's and priority of ivanka and it's a function of doing it right, not doing it last minute. that's what you see with a lot of these reversals of executive orders. they were done to be ticking time bombs to the administration. >> deb fisher reintroduced the workplace advancement act and the president didn't get behind it. >> you have to review the legislative process. the president doesn't get involved in every piece of legislation that's introduced on the senate or house side. there are priorities that will marry up with the senate's priorities. >> i think it's pretty clear what this president's priorities have been and equal pay for women and workplace policies that benefit families has certainly not been one of those priorities in the first 100 days. >> look at his businesses. >> well, look at his cabinet. how many women do we have in his cabinet? how about that? it's a historically male cabinet over the past several decades. women in the workplace, start with the people that you surround yourself with. on the other hand, you also have active measures to attack planned parenthood in this country and also the global gag order which keeps aid from going to any international organization that has anything to do with family planning, which has been disastrous in the past. so not only do you not see a priority of pushing women forward, you actually see major setbacks in the first 100 days. that's been the priority. >> i want anita to weigh in. brian is saying look at president trump's businesses. we can look at ivanka's businesses. "washington post" has a piece out today. she still does not manufacture her goods here. the factories she uses in china have very long work days, very low pay. her own marketing officer in her company last year penned an op-ed saying ivanka had no maternity leave policy. when this woman had to fight for it, ivanka said i came back to work the day after i had my baby. >> well, she'll certainly have to answer for that. i think, again, she is now on the world stage. there's a lot of attention being paid to everything that she's saying. everything that she has done. i don't think that that diminishes the fact that she does have experience in the workplace. she has also, you know, said she knows her experience was different than others. i mean she's been very privileged. not all working moms have the benefit of all of that help. she is learning. she is listening. i think, you know, we have to give her the benefit of the doubt. to your point, look at the people the people is surrounded by. that's an important voice to have around president trump as potentially a moderating force. some people are worried about that. >> can i just ask. what makes you believe she's a moderating force? she stood next to him on the campaign trail, just alongside steven bannon, stephen miller. >> listen, it takes a lot -- a president of the united states needs to listen to a lot of different voices. >> but why do we think she's a moderating voice? she stood next to him as we heard "lock her up, lock her up." >> also, though, since they have been in the white house has had an impact on a couple of things that a lot of conservatives are not happy about. effects on climate change or that the paris agreement. she and her husband believe that the president should continue to support that. a lot of people on the other side of that issue don't. so -- and she's also spoken to this fact, which i thought was very interesting, that her brother had said that she was the reason why the president went into syria. she said that's not the case. the president listened to all sides of this and listened to his military advisers, but certainly can't divorce himself from the fact and neither can she that this is an emotional issue. >> all right, anita, thank you. you two stick around. up next, another record day on wall street. that's what we saw yesterday. but what has president trump actually done to drive the market's confidence? we'll play economic fact or fiction. a millie dresselhaus doll! happy birthday, sweetie! oh, millies. trick or treat! we're so glad to have you here. ♪ what if we treated great female scientists like they were stars? ♪ yasss queen! what if millie dresselhaus, the first woman to win the national medal of science in engineering, were as famous as any celebrity? 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well, the numbers, they say no, at least so far. just over 300,000 jobs were created in february and march, although the jury is still out on april jobs. so what about those individual jobs the administration is claiming credit for saving? >> since my election, ford, fiat chrysler, general motors, sprint, soft bank, lockheed, intel, walmart and many others have announced that they will invest billions and billions of dollars in the united states. >> there has been at least a dozen companies trump says he convinced to invest or keep jobs in the united states. take a listen. >> this is something that was done to a large extent because of our policies. >> he said because of me they're doing 5,000 jobs in this country. an investment that would not have been made if we didn't win the election. >> in most cases that's not true or at the very least stretching the truth. at least ten of the 12 companies trump has talked about say their decisions were not a result of trump's election or say the wheels had been in motion long before he took office. but even if you don't believe he actually created those jobs, some say it is the renewed sense of optimism that has been trump's economic legacy thus far. >> today's report reflects the consumer confidence that the trump presidency has inspired. >> sean spicer is right, this one is clear. consumer confidence has spiked since trump took office. if you look at the numbers, the index went from 111 in january to 116 in february to 125 in march before dipping to 120 in april. we have not seen numbers like that since the end of the clinton administration. i want to bring back brendan greeley, a contributor at the economist. brend brendan, when you look at small business sentiment, this idea that deregulation is going to spur growth, that is a positive. >> well, it's hard to say where the confidence is coming from. it is across the board, right? you see cci, michigan, you see the same thing, national federation of independent businesses, they're all feeling this confidence. i know you and i have talked about this before, what you see is certainty about regulation. i have a harder time figuring out what it is that's driving that confidence, because it's not just businesses, it's also people. citizens are feel confident too. one thing that sticks out to me is that there's a huge divide. there's a huge partisan divide between republicans and democrats on consumer confidence. and we're all consumers together in america, so it's hard to figure out what it is about the economy that's driving that and it may just be if you're really excited about president trump, you're really excited about the economy. >> well, only time will tell. thanks, brendan. up next, president trump's major tax reform plan will be released in just a few hours. steve mnuchin said it's a biggie. a democratic and republican duo, congressmen joining me next together. and if there is any chance this sucker is going to get passed. first, pope francis made a surprise appearance at the international ted conference. speaking in italian, he called on world leaders to be more humble quoting an argentinian proverb. power is like drinking gin on an empty stomach. you get dizzy, you get drunk, you lose your balance and you end up hurting yourself and those around you. i always thought the pope was more of a wine guy. i guess i was wrong. ♪ because the more i drink onto the shag carpeting... ...and his pants ignited into flames, causing him to stop, drop and roll. luckily jack recently had geico help him with renters insurance. because all his belongings went up in flames. jack got full replacement and now has new pants he ordered from banana republic. visit geico.com and see how affordable renters insurance can be. that goes beyond assuming beingredients are safe...ood to knowing they are. going beyond expectations... because our pets deserve it. beyond. natural pet food. starts with turkey covered in a rich flavorful gravy,e and a crust made from scratch. because she knows that when it's cold outside... it's good food and good company that keep you warm inside. marie callender's. it's time to savor. could be preventedrrent with the right steps. and take it from me, every step counts. a bayer aspirin regimen is one of those steps in helping prevent another stroke. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. over hereno!ver here! 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>> i'm eager to see the details. i'm all for lowering taxes, and so i think today is going to be very interesting to see how we get there and what the details are. if we can work together and this is one of those opportunities that tom and i agree and so does our caucus, if we can find bipartisanship, we should do it. we've been talking about this for months. >> congressman reed, given how much this could blow a hole in the budget, fiscal conservatives, can they really get their head around a plan like this? 15% is a lot and it's very much a wait-and-see plan to depends on a lot of things. trickle down economics doesn't work for everybody. >> being on the committee in the house, we've been working on this for years. this is another step in a positive way to get to the finish line on tax reform. no one can defend the broken tax code. when we talk about the deficit, we're all concerned about the deficit. but when you have growth as a cornerstone of what this tax reform is going to produce, that's going to be jobs and more people working, that's going to help us a great deal to get that score to make sure the deficit isn't blown. >> let's talk about what you two are doing together. this clean spending bill aimed at avoiding a government shutdown. how does it work? >> the idea is we've got 20 democrats and about 20 republicans working together. we said, okay, what do we do to keep the lights on? the american public knows it costs a fortune to shut the government down, they want us to figure out solutions. so we for weeks worked together and put out a resolution and said if you keep this clean -- >> what does clean mean? >> it means a bill that doesn't put a lot of ideological additions to it, like the wall or other things that should be fought separately, this is just about keeping the lights on and the government moving forward and that's what we've decided we think is best. >> and i think the greatest thing the caucus is doing, we're organizing to get to yes. we're organizing to govern. and i so appreciate my colleague, josh, on the other side of the aisle stepping up and leading and be willing to come across the aisle to get things done for the american people. >> so the wall is out now. does that mean you're going to get this thing through and we're not going to have a shutdown? 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show me where. >> well, you know, you've got nafta, that's going to be reopened. you're going to have an opportunity -- >> and that's -- hold on. so what you just said, because we have a lot of these sound bites. you just said the president is able to negotiate in ways i've never seen before. nafta is not done. so in what ways has he negotiated successfully in ways that you have never seen before. >> just watching him interact with members. bringing members down to the oval office, being with him, having him engage members like i've never seen a president do before. he's building relationships and that's going to be good for the country long term. >> hasn't he also called those members and others very publicly losers? >> well, you know, there's always the rhetoric that we have concern with at times. but at the end of the day he's a disruptive force and i think that's where our caucus can come in and be a partner where we agree to get things done for the american people. that's why i so appreciate us stepping together and uniting together. >> i'm not going to let either of you, lightning round, give an incomplete. first 100 days, if you had to grade the president a through f. we know elizabeth warren is an f. >> i'll start with you. >> no, we're going with you first. >> i would give him needs improvement. >> no. >> i'm not going to give him a grade. >> oh, no, it's his only visit here. try again. >> i will give him a "c." >> all right there. >> because i'm optimistic if he actually reaches across the aisle, which is what we're all about, that we can improve that grade. that's how we get it up. >> an optimistic "c." >> grading, that's for the american people to judge. >> grade. >> are you going to let him go on that? 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