here. this is the secure communities program, and the idea is that if somebody is being booked in a police station, once they come in, have been brought in on a charge, they will also be fingerprinted and cross checked to make sure they have no prior allegations and they are legally in the country. mark, why would anyone have a problem with that? because it goes way beyond that. it involves checking people who report crimes, checking anybody who comes in contact with police, and in certain immigrant communities, this is a deterrent for people to report things like theft, robbery, rape, domestic violence and a whole set of things that undermines the work that law enforcement needs to do. martha: but the way this is designed, it is specifically stated that it is in a police station, when you are booked, a cross-check is run. mike, is it mike gallagher, is it your understanding that is not the way this is happen something. that s exactly the way it s happening, and professor sawyer
martha: there are new questions today about why a growing number of states are refusing to comply with federal immigration requirements. new york has just decided that governor the governor there, cuomo, just decided it would no longer work with washington on a program put forth by president obama and janet napolitano designed to catch and deport illegal immigrants with a criminal past. we showed you a couple of days ago how california is considering doing the same thing, a couple of other states are considering making similar changes, including minnesota and arizona. mike gallagher joins me, a fox news contributor and find him online, mike onlon.com and mark sawyer is a from ucla. gentlemen, nice to have you
martha: march no-no no. mark people tend to be drunk more often as americans, and i would martha: that s not the point at all. the point was the man in the country illegally, had he not been here, had he been deported on the first or second offense he wouldn t have taken the life of this 38-year-old police officer and left his family without anybody. is that a hard working immigrant? martha: do you have a problem with that, mark? i have a problem with drunk driving but to put drunk driving and immigration together are two different things. we need farm workers. we don t have a line for them to stop in. the only people that work on these farms end up undocument. these are the kinds of things we run. that s why we need a pathway for workers to come into the united states. now, how we deal with them once we re here is a whole dif set of things. we need to regularize the status martha: mike, we got to go. mike, your response. there really is a common sense aspect to
you can never do enough, michael, never give them credit for it. martha: we re talking about, a, illegal immigrant, we re not talking about people who arrived in this country legally, and we re talking about people who have broken the law. let s be very specific here. mike? that s part of the so-called nuance that people like mark like to try to foist upon people. there s no nuance to it. they like to confuse the issue of illegal immigration versus immigration. martha: let s bring up the picture of kevin will, who was a police officer in houston, he was laid to rest on june 2nd, he was killed by a drunk driver who was from honduras, 28-year-old drunk driver, who i believe had prior convictions as well. kevin will was 38 years old, here s a man who was driving drunk, who plowed through a police barricade and killed this young officer. mark, the idea is to prevent things like this from happening. preventing drunk driving isn t about immigration or preventing people from coming in