i understand some of the things he said so i wouldn t know. it would be an interesting conversation. so would we all. what has he shared about your conversation? well i just met with him and trump and got the email just before testifying that i had served and the election was reagan he really one and all this and obviously that didn t happen and i said so and i have heard julianne he had made similar statements but he s more careful because he talked to a lot more people. in our state. a lot of people at the same time in meetings with me. it will be interesting and i just hope he tells the truth. that would be the best thing. we have also learned that former 2020 campaign official mike wallin is quaffing with the special counsel. did you ever interact with him?