house speaker nancy pelosi calling that move unconstitutional. some lawmakers praising the president for trying to end the ongoing stalemate. negotiations end without a deal, white house is willing to continue talks. chad pergram tracking from the hill and joins us to lead this hour. chad. >> charles: good afternoon, bill. no new talks scheduled here. there was thoughts maybe the executive action would jumpstart talks. in hamilton, the room where it happened, this is the room it never happened, they never got a deal. both sides of the aisle think they will get a bill in form, maybe not right away. here is senate minority leader schumer. >> unworkable, narrow and weak. what is more important than what is in the executive orders is what is not in the executive orders. money to open up schools safely, money to help state and local governments, money for adequate testing regime. >> drove up the cost of the bill. democrats said they were willing to meet in the middle around 2 million. the cheaper price tag is democrats squeezing the duration of the bill. americans will not pay the payroll tax, it funds medicare and social security, but workers must pay that tax later. congression congressional actions, the white house defends mr. trump's gamble. >> this president instructed his administration to find every way possible without democrats, who have been unrelenting in lack nothing care or empathy for the american people, so he instructed the administration to pursue every legal avenue and without chuck and nancy and he's done that. >> top of the hour, senate came into session, that is mirage, mitch mcconnell wants to give the picture that they are working. house majority leader hoyer indicated house would not come back until middle of september for a vote, september 14th, unless they got an agreement and had a bill, then they would bring everybody back to washington there is a skeleton crew on hand this afternoon in the united states senate. bill. >> bill: covid times. bring in david ausmin, fox business. hello. >> we're in the same studio. >> bill: appropriately six feet. i love it. >> there is political part -- part and legal part. the political part i heard from labor secretary scalia, that the president would offer through executive order payroll tax cut and an extension of the federal bonus we give to americans who are unemployed. would come down from $600 to $400, $100 which will be paid for by the state if they have the money to do that. politically, it is smart, from the president's perspective, forces democrats to be against paying money to unemployed americans. that is what they have to argue against the checks stopped getting cut last week. no kind of executive order or deal, there doesn't seem to be a deal from washington, those checks from the government are going to stop and unemployed will stot getting money. it forces democrats to be against giving tax cuts to americans making less than $100,000 per year. >> bill: the president made his strongest case saturday afternoon and who was watching? >> he went down the things in the bill that have nothing to do with covid. there is also a trillion dollars the government still has they haven't spent, a lot of money has gone to states. the state wants to use it for other things, the president thinks the state should use it to pay off the unemployed. there is the economic point, that it brings down the amount of money feds are paying to unemployed, giving them incentive to go look for a job. enough parts of america, there is not a complete lockdown, there are jobs available. if you are getting paid more for not working, you don't have incentive to go out. now the number has come down to half of what it was, there is more incentive, it makes economic sense. legally, are democrats in an election year going to go to court and sue the president? >> bill: a lot of people were banging on barack obama for executive order and this is a prime example. >> right. what he did, though, that is why it is hypocritical of democrats to complain, they signed off completely when president obama used executive to defer money meant for some place else to help with obamacare. he did it, you are right, obama did it. there is enough hypocrisy to go around, republicans criticized it back then and now praising the president for doing it. >> bill: thank you, david. good to see you in the studio. we're getting there. now from chicago, watch. >> this is not legitimate first amendment protected speech. these are not poor people engaged in petty theft to feed themselves and their families. this was straight up felony, criminal conduct. >> bill: that is chicago mayor talking about looting and violence that broke out after a police-involved shooting on sunday. police say they have arrested at least 100. 13 officers were injured. here is how it went down. garrett. >> bill, we just learned there is looting going on right now. this is happening on the city's west side, about seven miles from here, where we are off the magnificent mile. police are responding and we're told that one deputy with cooke county sheriff's department is being taken to the hospital after being hit in the face with a brick while sitting in his squad car. while we work to get details and updates, bring you to downtown. dozens of businesses are boarding up and recovering after last night, including this dior store, we were able to look inside earlier and you can see in the video, it was almost entirely cleaned out. much of the same story again and again throughout this area, this area that is usually very safe and filled with high of end shopping. police say hundreds of people came downtown in a caravan of cars and overwhelmed officers. it took hours for police to get things under control. you could hear gunshots as these crowds went from store to store and to local businesses, as well. chicago's top cop put some blame on county prosecutors who chose not to prosecute hundreds arrested during the riots a few months ago. >> these looters, these thieves, these criminals are emboldened by no consequences in the criminal system. they get released. many charges get dropped. they feel emboldened to do it more, do it more. >> special team of investigator system looking through high-definition video from last night to identify cars and people involved in the looting and to help reassure folks who live here police say they are going to be decreasing the population here in the city in terms of traffic in the overnight hours, restricting access and have amplified presence here for the unforeseen future. bill. >> bill: thank you, garrett. we'll bring in graham to talk more about this. former president of chicago's police union, kevin, welcome back here, good to see you this afternoon. what stuns me about this story is that police say within 15 minutes that mag 95 sept mile had been raided n. 15 minutes time, you can communicate on social media and get a gathering that large and significant to outrun the police. what happened, kevin? >> first of all, social media ran the day. by the way, i'm only speaking for the crime commission, i don't speak for the union anymore. i will say that there was a belief in one of the neighborhoods yesterday that the police had shot someone unarmed. that was untrue. it spread throughout the neighborhoods. when it got to social media, they used this as a tool to come down to the downtown area and loot and burglarize and damage many of the businesses. i do believe that the chicago police department was very quickly to bring in additional 400 police officers into the downtown area. certainly to mobilize that many people very quickly tdid take a little time. i think they did a good job. we had over the weekend, 31 shootings, which is down considerably over where we were just about three weeks ago. >> bill: you are hearing reports, kevin, more looting is underway, see how that turns out. the mayor said federal officers are not needed, she said gun reform laws are. would that have done anything here? >> look, we have lots of laws on the books. they have to be enforced and people have to be held accountable. one problem in this country and throughout the metropolitan area of cooke county, we must hold the people who break laws accountable. that is where our problem is coming. and we have seen this not just here in cooke county, across the country. prosecutors are failing to prosculate. we have embolden people when people were rioting, they were not held accountable, charges were dropped against them and turns out people felt, then we can do whatever we want, there will be no consequences. even though the chicago police department took 149 guns off the street this weekend, i had another -- over 150 turned in in a buyback program. there are enormous amount on the street. >> bill: david brown called it a pure criminality, i think you would agree with that. what is the city in for? >> you know what, we will get to -- we have regained control of the city. we do have problems in various areass of the city, i can tell you this, all these -- all the days off on the chicago police department have been cancelled and officers are working 12-hour days. certainly we are concerned with the suburban community, as well, we want to make sure they are safe and the metropolitan crime commission is very committed to making sure that across metropolitan area of cooke county and chicago, that we have -- the officers have resources they need. >> bill: you can organize and orchestrate in 15 minutes, that is quite a challenge. kevin, thank you. kevin graham, nice to see you, sir, good luck there in chicago. in a moment, fox news is live in beirut, numerous developments after last week's massive explosion. what is next for that country in crisis? senate committee issuing first subpoena investigation in the russian probe and want to hear from director of the f.b.i. and bill barr blaming the extreme left for divisions in the 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developments and will bring you updates as soon as they get underway, there in baltimore, maryland. f.b.i. has 10 days to hand over all reports dealing with the russ russia investigation. this is investigating cross-fire hurricane. here is the latest there. >> good afternoon, bill, the f.b.i. has responded to the senate homeland security for information regarding the crossfire hurricane investigation. the bureau says they have actually been providing information to the committee for sometime and they insist that "as always, the f.b.i. will continue to cooperate with the committee request consistent with law enforcement and national security investigation. the subpoena doesn't compel chris wray himself to testify, rather provide records available to inspector general of the u.s. department of justice for review. sunday, yesterday, judiciary chairman lindey graham laid out information about the infamous steele dossier, key piece of evidence at the heart of crossfire hurricane. take a listen. >> the f.b.i. did what they did to the fisa court and misled the hell out of them. said there is no evidence to suggest that steele fabricated anything in the dossier, the f.b.i. continued to lie as late as 2018. if not for michael horowitz finding this, we would never know. >> gillian: there have been hearing with general rod rosenstein and sally yates who admitted she wouldn't have signed off on carter page had she known them what she knows now. listen. >> do you regret the fact that you signed applications that contained false and misleading information? >> i -- was the f.b.i., fisa application that was inaccurate. that is not our responsibility to the fisa court. >> gillian: chris wray has 10 days, as you point out, bill, to gather bureau records relating to crossfire hurricane and get to the committee. national security sources tell us that is a tall order, a lot of information to get together in 10 days, but they say it can be done. bill. >> bill: the beat goes on, gillian turner. the coronavirus killed thousands in nursing homes and families want answers. the governor andrew cuomo is rejecting independent investigation into what went wrong and we'll tell you why in a moment on that. one of these women might make the cut and might be on the ticket. what we're learning about the top contenders for joe biden. ♪ come on in, we're open. ♪ all we do is hand you the bag. simple. done. we adapt and we change. you know, you just figure it out. we've just been finding a way to keep on pushing. ♪ i appreciate what makes each person unique. we've just been finding a way to keep on pushing. that's why i like liberty mutual. they get that no two people are alike and customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. almost done. what do you think? i don't see it. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ it's totally not the same without you. we miss your "let's do this" look. the sound of your laugh cry screams. and how 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campaign zeroed in on her past trips and susan rice sold netflix chairs last week, speculation she's close to the top. elizabeth warren and gretchen whitmer are among the top. experts think biden's choice will be the smallest possible target for president trump. biden is facing increased calls to select a black running mate, 100 black leaders, including sean p. diddy combs wrote failing to select a black woman will mean you will lose the l z election, we don't want to vote for the devil we don't know, we are tired of voting for devils period. jill biden said it comes down to this. >> we've talked about the different women candidates, it is joe's decision who feels -- he a barack obama had. >> some democrats are displeased the attention shifted away from president trump and to joe biden. democrats want this to be referendum on the trump administration and some have concern given biden's procliffity for gas and lack of excitement about his elect iblt. back to you, bill. >> bill: nice to see you. bring in tom bevin, real clear politics. nice to see you, tom. you have the floor. who is it going to be >> probably kamala harris, she represents, checks all the boxes and is least risky choice. she has stature being a senator. she's vetted from running her presidential campaign and i think biden is risk averse, i don't think he wants to take a big risk. i don't think his folks think he needs to take a big risk. if i were a betting person, i would probably go with kamala harr harris, because she's a favorite. this is about trying to generate tension, excitement about this, why you see even some biden folks pedalling disinformation, you have gretchen whitmer flying out, susan rice selling stock, these things are, i think, part of that process where they don't want this to be half-day story that comes and goes and lands, they want excitement around joe biden selection. >> bill: do you give credence to those saying what is taking so long? do you think it is taking more time than usual, do you think it matters during covid time? >> i think it does. there is mistake by doing it a week ago and having to postpone it, that never looks good and raises question what is is going on behind the scenes. to jacquie's report, the research dumped on each of the women as their names have risen in the rankings, speaks to the fact this pick is important, not only short term, but questions about biden and his age and all that because it represents bridge to the future of the democratic party. the stakes are high for constituencies that are again, putting pressure on biden behind the scenes. >> bill: the point he always makes, i was vice president for eight years and i had to have a good relationship with the vice president and vice versa, who on the panel do you think he has the best relationship with, other than perhaps -- go ahead. >> bill: i think it is susan rice, he worked with her in the white house, by all accounts, they had a warm relationship, used to socialize and talk. among those folks on the list, most familiar with most comfortable with susan rice and as member of the administration, they shared the same value and agenda in terms of working for barack obama. i think that is -- >> bill: would you put elizabeth warren in the same category or not? >> i don't think you can count her out. i i don't think she has the same warm and fuzzy relationship with joe biden. >> bill: she lights up a room. >> she does. she is one of the only women on the short list that is not a woman of color, she does energize the base and can raise money, she can get people excited about being part of the ticket. >> bill: choice of running mate matters more than usual this year, we shall see together in time. tom bevin, pleasure having you on, have a great afternoon. we shall see soon. thank you. lebanon's leader resigning as protests rage over last week's massive explosion. get a live report from beirut on that. the a.. go bill barr went off taking aim at the far left team. our team in a moment will debate his point next. >> a.g. barr: you could have friends across the aisle, politics was part of your life, but it wasn't all-consuming. what's happened is that the left wing has really withdrawn and pulled away from the umbrella of classical liberal values that have undergurted our society since our founding. ted our soci since our founding. ted our socie our founding. eted our society since our founding. rted our soc since our founding. ♪ here's your iced coffee! ♪ america runs on dunkin' ♪ ♪ ♪ the open road is open again. and wherever you're headed, choice hotels is there. book direct at choicehotels.com. ♪ >> bill: balts mo baltimore officials meeting with reporters, the explosion killed one person today, six in the hospital. firefighters say it is not clear if people are trapped inside or not. the cause of the fire is under investigation. that was a mighty boom earlier today. more bottom of the hour headlines, number of covid-19 cases topping five million with 163,000 deaths, by far, the most in the world. also, troubling development, schools plan to reopen, 93,000 children test positive for covid-19 late last night, according to a new report. this photo of a crowded hallway in georgia, several have tests pofative, they will shut it down for a day or two and clean it up and get back at it inside the classroom. new york state lawmakers trying to figure out who is to blame for the deaths in the nursing homes. employees and families testifying today. covid-19 has killed more than 6000 in nursing facilities. >> they are interested in complete political victory, they are not interested in compromise. they are not interested in dialect exchange of view, they are interested in total victory. it's a secular religion, a substitute for religion. >> bill: attorney general bill barr, talking about secular religion of left. mark from the white house speech writer for president george w. bush and richard fowler, virginia young democrats annual conserves and both contributors. good day to both of you. saw last night, it was interesting. mark, you did not hold back. blm, essentially bolsheviks, the tactics are fascistic is what he said. >> he was referring to antifa. i don't think even antifa would question the fact they are guerilla leaders, they would support that, that is what they're doing, throwing molotov cocktails. they go among normal americans, as they have a right to do, use the first amendment as shield to protect themselves and start causing violence to attack police officers and innocent people and what barr said yesterday, which i thought was very true and doesn't get enough attention, they are doing this to the trump administration, but would be doing this to any administration, biden, radicals who want, marxists who want to cause anarchy. >> bill: you think they would be doing this under biden? barr thought they were trying to get trump out of office. trying to impeach him from day one, marc. >> that is a different point. i think he is right about that, if you remember when trump came into office, the democrats rebranded themselves, no longer loyal opposition, they were resistance. some people have taken the term literally on the streets. they are not interested in compromise with donald trump, perfect example is this fight over the covid relief bill, normal thing you do during a relief bill, extend unemployment while both sides negotiate. voted down bill to not extend it. they put pressure on republicans to cave. i think there is no interest in compromise or coming together -- >> bill: the quote he used, richard, we have time. less for power was the quote he used. richa richard, go ahead. >> thanks for having me, bill. i'm happy marc made a distinction between antifa and those protesting, that distinction is important. i really do wish when you look over this interview that bill barr gave, his department is overseeing the executive order has around policing reform. he should have a conversation with african americans, the african american community because african americans overall don't have a problem with policing in their community, they do have a problem with the quality of the interaction with police. g gallup poll found one in five don't feel respected by police departments in their community. this is where barr can serve a role, i want to use my power as attorney general to fix that. instead, he wants to create, he believes we serve some other secular religion. last time i checked, most who i know are liberal are christian. >> bill: what is joe biden going to say about this? how will he split hairs on this argument? >> well, listen, i think if you talk to joe biden, he is a man of faith and a man that believes in compromise. he is a man that believes you can work through america's system to create better. what we have, though, i'm glad marc brought up what is happening around covid relief. democrats passed a bill two months ago and been waiting for mitch mcconnell and senate republicans to come to the table and negotiate and what ends up happening, days before unemployment, the $600 expired, republicans wanted to negotiate and take $600 away from unemployees who were unemployed. that is unworkable. -- >> bill: be clear, the 600. the 600 on top of the benefits they are already making. marc, go ahead. >> if you continued the their 600 i month, four out of five americans would be making more than they would have if they were employed, the problem is that this is deterrent, size of the unemployment supplement was too big, deterring people from work. we added 10 millionbs, we need people going back to work. the point is, the republicans offered to continue that $60answer 0 while discussions went down. >> bill: my guess -- my guess is this is not over yet. let's see what happens overnight and what gives them. gentlemen, thank you very much. richard, nice to see you, mo ma, as well. breaking news out of beirut. the prime minister stepping down after massive explosion devastated beirut, killing 200. protesters expressing outrage against country leaders and trey yingst has been in beirut in the thick of this and joins us where night has fallen there. trey. >> trey: bill, good afternoon, you might think there would be a celebration here in mo martyr square in the center of beirut, it was quite the opposite following resignation of hassan diab and his entire cabinet. what we saw unfold is related to that explosion on tuesday and frustration that has been growing as search and rescue teams at this hour continue to search the rubble tochlt give you context about what this means, without getting too deep into lebanese politics, this doesn't mean a lot for the people of lebanon and protesters weave seep on the streets for one key reason. a lot of the frustration around the demonstrations we saw unfold over the weekend has to do with government miscorruption and helping hezbollah. if you look in the distance from where i'm standing graffiti says iran out. that is common sentiment across the country and one reason they saw so many protesters in the street as the prime minister hassan diab resigned, there were demonstrators behind me clashing with his security forces, who were trying to make their way into the parliament building. over the weekend, they succeeded in doing so, making their way to three different ministry offices here in beirut. one police officer was killed and hundreds of protesters wounded, just off in the distance here, while all that was taking place, search and rescue teams are looking through the rubl for survivors. the governor of beirut estimates 100 people are missing. we did see 150 killed following the explosion on tuesday. this evening, there are more questions than answers in beirut. bill. >> bill: good reporting there, trey yingst, developments when we get them. thank you, trey. hong kong, police arrested media tycoon under china new national security law, with ripple effects 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administration officials. there could be couple explanations, one, china is just being cautious and see how this plays out. another explanation, china realizes it doesn't have that many cards to play. we don't know which of the two explanations or maybe a third, this is extremely curious behavior. >> you said the u.s. needs harshest of sanctions, like what, gordon? >> i think we need to sanction the chinese ruler and the standing committee because they also were responsible for undermining hong kong's autonomy. enforce the banking sanctions in the hong kong act and that really will have a practical effect. beijing thinks it can do whatever it wants in hong kong and the international community will not do anything, we need to prove otherwise. >> jimmy lai has become a friend of this channel, media tycoon, a billionaire, he was here in the u.s. a year, year and a half ago. i have interviewed him. he's been arrested and so, too, have his sons, what is happening on that front, gordon? >> as well as senior executives of apple daily, his pro-democracy newspaper. i think this is beijing's attemp attempt to decapitate that paper, it has been a rallying point for people in hong kong. they would like to shut it down and really trying to cripple it. that's that. we have seen number of pro-democracy figures in addition to apple daily people being rounded up in recent hours, full-scale crack down under way. >> bill: just crossing on reuters mike pompeo saying he is not optimistic china will rethink their position on hong kong, if that is the case, the law stands there in hong kong, where does this relationship go to next? >> well, there is problems across the board and the reason is the trump administration is no longer putting up with unacceptable conduct, which previous administrations were willing to ignore. what we're doing, defending our society, bill, that is necessary. yes, there will be friction, there should be friction because of what beijing is doing. >> alex is in taiwan, do you see that as significant? >> absolutely. because what we're saying to china, we are no longer going to give beijing veto on taiwan policy, no longer going to consider their "feelings," and so that is good. it shows china we are going to stand with people everywhere. taiwan is a central part of our western defense perimeter, something weave drawn for more than a century. it is also a democracy and we can't allow beijing to absorb any free society, especially one as important as taiwan. >> bill: do you 99ing early 2017, beijing thought they would get this amount of pushback from this administration? >> no, i don't think that they did because they were on a roll. they were getting their way with the united states and other countries. i think they are probably surprised. they are meeting now or will probably meet in bedaha, the seaside resort, senior communist leaders, that could have enormous consequences for the party direction. i think they are taken by surprise and will discuss it there. >> bill: when is that meeting? >> usually in the second part of august smchlt years it doesn't take place. but i suspect this year it will because there is a lot of angst in beijing about what the united states and other countries are doing pushing back. >> bill: numerous developments. thank you, gordon, gordon chang. >> thank you, bill. >> bill: fate of college football is still up in the air, major decisions may come down at any moment on whether or not players will return to the field this fall. that is coming up next. >> bill: another potential blow to college football. sources telling dan patrick, big 10 and pac 12 will cancel their seasons tomorrow. he says other power five conferences are considering the same. big 10 presidents reportedly voted 12-2 to not play this report. patrick reports only nebraska and iowa voted to return to the field, stay tuned on that. lots of new yorkers left new york because of the pandemic, now ruz de-- residents are movi out because of a rise in crime. >> hi, bill, new york city is known for bright lights, broadway and big dreams. now some folks don't even recognize the city anymore. first it was the pandemic, had beened hundre beened -- hundreds of thousands left the state. now it is gun violence. then we saw people doing drugs in broad daylight in midtown leaving used needles on the sidewalk, now complaints over the city housing hundreds of homeless, some drug addicts and sex offenders, in hotels without informing residents. some are fleeing. hair stylist jody usher left brooklyn this month, she was thrilled to get back to work, after who incidents of harassment, she packed her bags and moved her family to florida. >> things became less and less safe. i've never in six and a half years before this felt uncomfortable or even remotely afraid. so for me to stay here would be a struggle, a constant fear. >> mayor de blasio is hopeful new anti-crime strategies will turn things around. as far as anyone leaving, he says they will be replaced. >> i am not going to beg anybody to live in the greatest city in the world. there are plenty of people who want to live in new york city. there are plenty of people who will come here no matter what. this crisis will be over soon. >> now the mayor may not be begging, bill, but the governor sure is, even joking in a press conference recently he's bribing his friends to come back to the city, offering free dinners, free drinks and admits they are not coming back any time soon. bill. >> bill: jody makes a good point, thank you on the streets of new york city, it is a very different place today. want to show you this 23-year-old, an american from california. collin morokawa, well done to him. set your dvr at 3:00 eastern monday through friday, never miss a report, here is neil. >> neil: thank you, if wall street is worried about the president acting on his own to get coronavirus stimulus in the economy, he had a funny way to show it. the dow is 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convention, but you look at the elected leaders who decided not to show up in cleveland last week, and that is the bigger takeaway. >> all right. thank you, mark. rob ryaner, you owned this audience. [ applause ] standing colleague, andrea mitchell is taking over live coverage right now special edition of "andrea mitchell reports." we are live at the democratic convention in philadelphia. commander in chief, the democrat's big prime time speaker taking direct aim at donald trump's readiness to become president. >> to what i think is scary is a president who doesn't know their stuff. and doesn't seem to have an interest in learning. >> donald trump knows nothing about foreign policy. and nor, nor should he based upon his background. but the thing that bothers me, willie, is i don't see any attempt for him to go out and get people who really know on the republican side. >> and donald trump is a one-man wrecking crew when it comes to the alliances that we have with other nations. >> explainer in chief. in the year of outsider, bill clinton tries to take back the message of change. >> for this time hillary is uniquely qualified to seize the opportunities and reduce the risk we face. and she is still the best darn change maker i have ever known. [ applause ] you -- >> glass ceiling shattered. this historic moment for women, my take, coming up. plus my exclusive talk with clinton pal terry mckau la as he throws shade with on the compromise with bernie sanders. good day, i'maround ma richl where the stars will shine tonight, the musical stars rehearsing right now. big names though, political names including president obama, vice president biden, michael bloomberg, and vice presidential nominee tim kaine making the case for hillary clinton to the nation. but right now the clinton campaign trying to put out a political fire that by clinton friend virginia governor terry mccalla. it's all about that transpacific partnership. a trade agreement that has fueled the frustration of sanders supporters have with the party establishment. the governor poured more gas on that fire in my conversation with him just a few hours ago. joining me here in philadelphia, nbc's kristin welker, kristin, can we play a little bit of that q & a with terry mccalla at the virginia caucus this morning? let's be clear about what you mean about what hillary clinton would do if elected president. is she going to walk away from the deal she made? >> i think what she can do is what shetz the ability, negotiate something to the best interest of everybody. i do think that pushing ttp very hard. this is president obama's top priority. he thinks he can get a vote done during a lame duck session. he's going to meet with all the governors out in des moines, iowa. we're hoping we can get something past. >> bernie sanders has been promised by hillary clinton there won't be even a vote in the lame duck session. >> well, i don't know about that. the president wants this. this is the president's top trade initiative. i can tell you all, secretary he's been working hard. they want to see something done. president obama's top priority. so hillary disagrees with it. she doesn't support it, that's her right not to do it. she says things have to be fixed in order to go forward. but the ft. you know, this is his top trade initiative, and i could just tell you his whole team was in des moines to meet with all the governors last week saying this is imperative for the country. >> governor, can you understand how when bernie sanders and his supporters don't trust hillary clinton to live up to her commitments, that when you, one of her closest friends or from her campaign chairman, when you say that she would go along with tpp once -- >> no, no, no -- >> with changes or with a trade deal. >> let's be very clear. only if the changes she wants are implemented and everybody's in agreement, and she's not going forward as it is today. but same position with senator kaine is, we don't support unless she says the changes she wants are made. all right, president obama does want thpt as you know. >> so, the people, the delegates on the floor of the convention and the larger they are going to be more suspicious of hillary clinton because they think you're sending a signal. >> i'm not sending a signal. >> that she will compromise away her commitments. >> there are things she does not agree with. unless she can get those to the point she's happy with, she's not going to support it. that's what senator kaine said the other day. said the same thing. if she can't do it because of change, she's not going to support it. this is a top priority for president obama. he just met with all the governors. we all the governors met with the president, he pushed it very hard. this is a top trade initiative for him. hillary doesn't agree with the president on this issue. people disagree, and unless she's happy and can get the changes she wants, we're not going to see it from her, but you might see it from president obama. this is his top trade initiative. >> thanks everyone. >> what else can i tell you? >> appreciate it. so terry mcauliffe muddying the waters about trade. kristin welker still with me, they have tried to put this fire out. here's another rupture with bernie sanders. just as we're coming to the big moments at the convention. kristin. >> reporter: andrea, that's right. the timing not great for the clinton campaign, john podesta clinton's campaign chairman earlier today speaking with reporters, said look, she doesn't support tpp now, she won't support if she's elected. as you say trying to put that fire out. but this does raise questions if you are a sanders supporter of course there have been some deep divisions to start off this convention, and yesterday it felt like there was some real unity here. you did have those sanders protesters whoalked out, however, this arena felt largely unified as this type of headline could potentially undermine that. so i anticipate we're going to get some strong pushback throughout the day from the clinton campaign and they are going to try to turn the page on this and put the focus on president obama who's going to be taking the podium tonight. he's going to lay out the case for secretary clinton based on his personal working relationship with her. he's going to argue she does meet the commander in chief test and he is going to be talking about some of those key issues that he is uniquely suited to speak to, andrea, but this is a problem also in terms of trust because if you look at the poll 68% of voters, according to a recent poll say they don't trust secretary clinton and so much of this convention has been about rebuilding trust. bill clinton's speech last night when he spoke in personal terms and this could potentially undermine some of those efforts. so the clinton campaign is really going to be focussed on trying to turn the page today, andrea. >> thanks so much, kristin welker. all of this drama is playing out here in philadelphia, donald trump taking the stage and trying to amplify the democrat's disagreements. his latest comments a at press conference at dorrell in the last hour. >> they will go for tpp and vote it in very shortly after the election if she wins. she'll change a come mo ma, she'll change a paragraph of the 6,000 page document. she saw me talking about tpp, she realized that she couldn't defend it. her special interests are pushing her hard. she's bought and sold by the special interests. the day she gets in, which hopefully will never happen, she will approve, or shortly thereafter, tpp. >> and katie tur is in florida, katie, also made a lot of news on russia. and he called president obama, i think, the worst president or the least informed president in history. >> reporter: yeah. he's done that before, but the most news worthy moment of this press conference really came when he was speaking about russia. we were asking him about the hacks, how he felt about it, does he think it's a good idea for the russian government or any government frankly to get involved in american politics, and he went on to say, russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing, referring to those e-mails that are missing from hillary clinton's server. so he actively was encouraging the russians or any foreign country to get involved and benefitted him because he wanted to see that. i asked him if he has any qualms about that, qualms about a foreign government getting involved in american politics, he dismissed that. interestingly though, his running mate, governor mike pence just released a statement right after that news conference that said, the fbi will geto the bottom of who is behind the hacking. if it is russia and they are interfering in our elections, i can assure you both parties and the united states government will ensure there are some serious consequences. that is die metically opposite of what donald trump said in this news conference. governor pence not on the same page as his running mate but having to play interference for him. having to be the interpreter for donald trump making his statements a little bit more palletable for american politics. doing interference and playing, you know, basically cleaning up what is running mate was saying. donald trump also pushed back on the idea that he has any foreign investments in russia that he has any feeling of friendliness towards russia that he wants the relationship -- excuse me that he has a hand -- pardon me, andrea, i'm getting ahead of myself. he basically said that he is not involved in russian relations. that russians are not getting involved with him and that is not effecting his presidential campaign. take a listen to how he put it. >> i never met putin. i don't know who putin is. he said i'm a genius. i said, thank you very much to the newspaper, and that was the end of it. i never met poout. he doesn't respect our president. and if it is russia, which it's probably not, nobody knows. if it is russia, it's really bad for a different reason. because it shows how little respect they have for our country. i don't think he respects clinton, i don't think putin has any respect whatsoever for clinton. i think he does respect me. i think he's going to respect your president, if i'm elected, and i hope he likes me. >> reporter: donald trump pushing back on the idea that he has any investment in russia and trying to frame it as more of a matter as whether he will get along better with them because president obama is not respected by them. andrea. >> katie tur, thank you so much. and of course nancy pelosi told us here yesterday, told me on this program that it was definitely russia, that there's no question about it and she was obviously well-briefed and just now, brendan buck, the speaksman for paul ryan, the house speaker, has tweeted, russia is a global menace led by a thug, he should stay out of the election. there was a lot of confirmation that it was russia. brian fallon joins me now. let's talk about what donald trump is saying about russia. let me play a little bit of that sound for you. >> mook, i saw him on television, and they asked him about russia, and the hacking. by the way, the hacked. they probably have for 33,000 e-mails. i hope they do. russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. >> reacting to donald trump saying that maybe russia could find the 30,000 so-called missing e-mails. >> andrea, that is a galling statement from the republican nominee for president of the united states. donald trump, who is seeking to become our commander in chief is now openly inviting russia to engage in cyber attacks against the united states. this is a bridge too far. we have heard all kinds of admiring comments from donald trump about vladimir putin, it's been quite strange for some time now, just last week, the republicans changed their platform to soften language that was against russia on the issue of the ukraine. and last week he also gave an interview suggesting he would abandon our nato allies in eastern europe living under constant fear of an antagonistic vladimir putin. this should not be a political issue. this should be a national security issue that all sides can come together and stand up to a strong man like vladimir putin and say, enough, i agree with brandon buck from speaker ryan's office, we need to stand up to russia. it is amazing to me that donald trump apologizes for vladimir putin's russia at every turn and it's now recklessly inviting him to engage in scriber attacks against our own home country. >> i want to ask you about try mcauliffe, he supports the president on the tpp, on the trade deals, he is pushing as are the other governors, as is the trade, trade and trade administra administrator and the administration's policy is a lame duck session, pushed forward the trade deal. hillary clinton, is she winking and nodding -- >> no, let me be completely clear about this -- >> terry mcauliffe is wrong? >> completely wrong. and while the clintons have a long relationship with the mcauliffe and he's a tremendous governor, he does not know what he's talking about on this particular issue. his personal position is in favor of tpp. rerespect his position. he does not speak for secretary clinton, and she is against tpp now, she's against tpp after the election. we have a huge lengthy agenda when it comes to creating jobs in this country and it includes rebuilding our infrastructure, increasing the minimum wage, more profit sharing for workers, you know what's not on that agenda, passing this tpp or renegotiating to get a different version. and in the recent conversations between secretary clinton and senator kaine, senator kaine also agreed with secretary clinton's position that this deal does not meet her tests. she is opposed to it now, she would be opposed to it in a lame duck or if she's president after january. >> she wasn't always opposed to it, she was in favor of it given whatever amendments came down the road. if you're saying that right now she is not winking and noddi and after an election, if she's elected, she would try to resurrect it maybe under some different name. >> no. absolutely not. with all do respect to the governor, i don't know why he is saying this. he has no basis for thinking this. that she's never said anything like this to him. and she wouldn't because her position is clear. against tpp now, against it in the lame duck, against it after january. the governor should stop talking about this, he's incorrect. >> does she need to reach out to bernie sanders or maybe they've had a conversation to say, don't listen to terry mcauliffe. >> she's been quite clear and this has been her position for a long time now ever since the final language of the dpp language came out. there was many conversations in the primary. she made her position quite clear. now that we're in the general election, her position has not changed. and to be honest, there is so much of what we want to do in the opening days of a clinton administration on jobs. the largest investment in jobs since world war ii. absolutely no interest in renegotiating or reopening this tpp matter if it's still hanging out there when she's president. >> we heard from bill clinton in his very personal tribute to his wife last night. and we heard that she is the agent of change. she's a change agent. over and over again. that tells us that that's what you're worried about. you think that this is an outsider's year, donald trump is the outsider, and people are viewing her as the establishment. >> well, donald trump goes around and he is not putting any plans forward for how he would make a difference in people's lives. and the convention last week you heard a lot of attacks on hillary clinton, you didn't hear any positive vision for what donald trump would do. hillary clinton is telling the voters exactly what she would do and what bill clinton explained last night, she has a record of getting results on those things she's talking about getting done. and i thought it was quite al force on his port part. he wove in personal details with their lives along the fights she's waged consistently throughout her career and it was self-afacing, parts of the speech he talked his own record as governor of arkansas and credited his biggest accomplishments to her when you talk about the program in arkansas that helped create early education opportunities for young children in arkansas. so, we were so impressed with that speech that the president gave. and i think it perfectly summed up the message of last night which was these are the fights she's been waging her whole career. she's always gotten her results and that's how people will trust results as president. >> thank you very much. thanks for putting up with all the noise around us today as lenny kratz -- >> it's worth it to be on the floor here. >> it's great. thank you. appreciate it. and coming up, new details on possible russian involvement in the dnc e-mail hack. the top democratic, democrat on the 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less to hack into computers and i don't know where clintons or is he suggesting they hack into the fbis computers. it is just incredible and to think that this person could be the leader of the free world. it's just breath taking. >> well at this stage, what do we know about the hacking? all signs pointing to russia, according to the house speaker's office, according to to the former speaker, nancy pelosi, on this program yesterday. sop there's a lot of finger pointing. is there hard evidence? >> well, i'm limited in what i can speak to, but i think there was a credible analysis -- >> the dnc hired the firm, computer forensic firm. >> yes, and you know look, russia has certainly the means to do it, one of the most capable cyber actors in the world. they have a history of interference in the election of others in europe and elsewhere. and they clearly have a motive here. there's no question who the russians want to be the president of the united states. the only question is whether we're going to allow a potentially various actions to influence our election. that would be extraordinary, you can't imagine really a better candidate for the kremlin than someone that diminishes nato, praises putin, and then further invites them to hack. it's astounding. >> what motive do you think russia might have for meddling in the american election? >> well, look, secretary clinton they have to be concerned with a woman who's a demon -- has demonstrated an ability po cultivate international sanctions she did with iran, she can do and has done with russia in terms of the very powerful sanctions on their invasion of ukraine. the russians want to see those go away and with trump, they have a good chance of seeing those go away. so i think they fear clinton. and they would welcome someone like donald trump. >> hillary clinton is basically tied or a couple points behind in some polls. with all of her experience with her resume and all the money that's been spent on her campaign, he's 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[ applause ] >> bill clinton sharing some personal stories about his wife portraying a softer, gentle side of the best known woman in american politics. tonight president obama and the vice president are the big headliners promoting the party's nominee. i think maybe bill clinton would appreciate lenny kravitz drowning us out here today. joining me now, chris alyssa, founder of the washington post fix blog, new york times political reporter jeremy geter serks. chris, first to you, how, how smart is this strategy? your take on last night's big clinton speech. did it work for his wife? >> well, andrea, i thought that bill clinton -- so it's hard to say i'm going to say something new about hillary clinton. i mean, there is a lot that people either know or believe they know. i actually thought low key speech somewhat might help bill clinton. i thought an effective one in that he gave us a perspective on her that no one else could. which is, i thought the little details matter. the brick house and he goes back and buys it. i like the detail of how when they dropped chelsea off, hillary was on her hands and knees lining the drawers in her dorm room. i remember my parents doing that. i think a lot of people do that. and that's the thing. you have to get her out of being hillary clinton and into just being hillary clinton. he is a very effective communicator at that because he has perspective no one else does. not barack obama, not joe biden, not tim kaine, no one else other than chelsea clinton could tell stories like that. i think an effective frame for what i think tonight will be the argument for what i think many people already believe which is, experience, credibility, resume, i think you're going to hear a lot of that tonight from president obama, joe biden, from tim kaine. >> and joe biden of course jeremy peters, as a number of challenges one of which is that donald trump is all over this whole terry mcauliffe thing which brian tried to clean up saying that terry mcauliffe is just dead wrong about any suggestion that he would compromise on trade if she were elected. contrary to her promises to bernie sanders. and at the same time, donald trump throwing a lot of red meat out there about russia. let me play a little bit of joe biden on "morning joe" today. >> every place i go, reaching across the table or trying to solve a problem with chi and the president of the china and on down in new zealand, with the prime minister, you know, tell me, trump's not going -- i mean, that can't happen, can it? and i'm not joking. >> what is joe biden do tonight? how do they parade out a group of speakers when you've got donald trump taking shots from the sidelines? >> yeah, i think that's a good point, andrea. joe biden certainly has a tough act to follow in former president clinton, that's for sure. but i do think that one of the things that this convention has done exceedingly well is production, right? this is a highly, sleekly produced show from start to finish, everything from the speakers all being on the right beams to the qualify of the videos that they've produced every, in between every segment to the speakers. i mean if you contrast the star wattage at this convention with donald trump's convention, which had, you know, a female professional golfer, a soap star, and an avocado farm ore just a name a few, i have the sitting first lady, a former president, sitting vice president, sitting president, this is really they have pulled off something i think that even donald trump could concede is pretty impressive. >> lenny kravitz. and chris alyssa, what a team. thank you all very much. >> first time i've headlined with lenny kravitz. and coming up, more from inside the wells fargo centers are in play hours before president obama takes the stage. here at the democratic national convention. the mayor of new york, bill de blasio along with the first lady of new york city, joining us right here on "andrea mitchell reports" live from philadelphia. before taking his team to state for the first time... gilman: go get it, marcus. go get it. ...coach gilman used his cash rewards credit card from bank of america to earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. at places like the batting cages. ♪ [ crowd cheers ] 2% back at grocery stores and now at wholesale clubs. and 3% back on gas. which helped him give his players something extra. the cash rewards credit card from bank of america. more cash back for the things you buy most. the cash rewards credit card from bank of america. you know what they used to do with guys like that when they were in a place like this? 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>> i think the discussion has to be not about an individual case or an individual prosecution or an illegal technicality, it's about what do we have to do to change the relationship between police and community in america? while i can say we're doing in new york is we're bringing into this city, neighborhood policing, real neighborhood policing, cops walking the beat again and getting to know community members and the communit members getting to know the police as people. and things like, deesk lace training so we don't have these instances, these kind of instances and one thing that's crucially important, implicit bias training. helping our police like every human being, they have biases that we can overcome if we help people think about it. this is the way forward. so i think that the discussion in this country has to be less about what happened in each individual case, let's put those tragedies as much as we humanly can behind us, let's stop the future tragedies, let's create something different. >> as the parents of two black children, young adults now, what concerns you -- you've had the conversation with your son, your daughter over the years. >> absolutely. but i think that, you know, our children are no different from the children across the country and as parents, we are all concerned for our children. i was so delighted to see the conversation that hillary had with mothers of the movement, the way she leaned into their pain, members of our family, our human family, and talked with them to find a way to get past that mourning. get, you know, not that one can get past it immediately, but take action with the grief. and do something to help all parents who fear for their children across the nation. i think that's so powerful and i have such tremendous admiration for her. i think that's something that we all need to learn how to do. how to reach in when we see someone suffering and help solve the problem. >> yeah, mr. mayor, what is your message going to be to the convention when you speak tonight? >> come again? >> what's your message about hillary clinton? >> drawing a contrast from a new yorker's perspective. i've gotten plenty of time to see them both in action. and i think the dialogue has to be about what is their life about? what is their life tell them? donald trump, born rich, got richer, gamed the system, talks about it, brags about it, if that doesn't respect this country, he is a charter member of the billionaire class. he's not someone who can make the blame. lifetime in public service, a lifetime of looking out for people who didn't have a lot of money and power. and someone who has the strength to take on very powerful special interest. she showed that particularly during that health care fight. you remember it vividly, i do too, the health care reform 93-94, huge amount of money and power. >> and i know the shattering of the glass ceiling. your feeling when you realize that a woman has been nominated. >> i can't tell you how important it is that a woman in the top job of america. we need women another every leadership table. having hillary is going to do so much for our country, so much for our girls, and for every one, for our sons too for everyone to show that as more than half the population, we need, we should be included. >> it's such a treat to see you again, mr. mayor, we'll be watching tonight. thank you both so much. and lenny kravitz, as i said. >> thank you for joining us. >> and as we've been saying, hillary clinton made history tuesday night becoming the first woman nominated for president by a major party. one of the delegates who voted for hillary clinton during the roll call, 102-year-old jerry emmet. she was born before women had won the right to vote. >> 51 votes for the next president of the united states of america! [ applause ] hillary rodham clinton. >> the democrats abroadcast their vote led by bernie sanders brother, larry. >> to names of our parents, eli and dorothy sanders, they did not have easy lives, and they died young. it makes me proud, they loved him. [ applause ] >> democrats -- >> they loved franklin roosevelt, and would be especially that bernard is renewing that mission. it is with enormous pride that i cast my vote for bernie sanders. 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[ applause ] >> bernie sanders thank g his home state of rmont, the delegation this morning at their breakfast here in philadelphia. it is really emotional as we can see with sanders, it's been quite a ride. and for more, i'm joined by alex who has been covering the democratic candidates since day one. you were there at the breakfast today. we saw bernie being emotional on the floor, his brother, you know, throwing those votes up in honor of their parents who of course didn't live to see this day. i mean, when you think of all that his supporters have been through and he's been trying to hard, alex, to reel them back in and they're not all following. >> an extremely emotional day for bernie sanders. and all of his supporters. and unusual, this is a guy who is not known for showing much emotion on the stump and extremely policy-heavy guy. his stump speeches go on for 45 minutes without much personality, but you know, i think it was a cathartic day, it was something that the sanders movement needed to have and to see him up there. there are bernie busters who walked out, those people probably not coming back in even though they were allowed after their protest, but for the rest of the party, a lot of delegates, after they had that moment, they are ready to come back in. >> it's the folks from outside who are not delegates who are still protesting, alex, thanks so much. it's been a long ride. and coming up, more coming up from the convention floor. right here in philadelphia. stay with us. going to the skate park today? maybe... you can make it gr-r-reat! ♪ kellogg's frosted flakes gives you the sweet spark to go all in and let your great out. they're gr-r-reat! when you have type 2 diabetes, like me, hi, i'm dominique wilkins. there's a moment of truth. and with victoza®, a better moment of proof. victoza® lowers my a1c and blood sugar better than the leading branded pill, which didn't get me to my goal. victoza® works with your body to lower blood sugar in three ways-- in the stomach, the liver and the pancreas. and while it isn't for weight loss, victoza® may help you lose some weight. non-insulin victoza® comes in a pen and is taken once a day. 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so now it is appropriate to release this information. in the spirit of transparency you are going to get everything that question deliver. -- everything that we can deliver. >> let's go to fox's steve harrigan live in charlotte. steve. >> kimberly, this could all happen within the next few minutes. the chief has vowed to turn over everything, the videotape from the dash cam as well as in the body cam of that shooting thursday of 42-year-old keith scott. there's been tremendous pressure on the chief on the police force here to release that video. a sense on the street, particularly among protesters that the police have? ing to hide. accusations the gun might have been plant order the police killed an innocent man. the chief has denied that all along. they simply did not want to compromise the investigation by releasing the video too soon. we're likely to see the video and the chief has warned it is inconclusive. it won't prove one way or the other whether the police acted justifiably or not. but in a few minutes the people will be able to see for themselves. >> so dana, you have a question for steve? >> i just feel, steve, unfortunately we'd love to have you on our air but unfortunately you are usually in places where there is unrest or these type of stories that you have a done over the last several years and i wonder if you agree. seems like we're living through history. a trchgsal time where the treatment of evidence is changing right before our eyes and quite rapidly. possibly before the laws can change in terms of how you handle these things. i think the pressure from the public is such that technology exist asks you might as well release it. and the police it even sounded today they are not quite comfortable with this but they are willing to do it. >> that is right. they are under pressure when officer demonstrators out every night release the tapes in a real sense of suspicion the police might have something to hide. there is a demand for immediate satisfaction. and the police have tried to make the argument that we have to interview people. and if you have seen videotape of what happened that could change what they say. so we want a fair and honest interview. there is pressure for immediate satisfaction. now the police have decided to turn that over so in the next few minutes we could see the videotape of that shooting. keep in mind we've seen one version. the family, the wife, the widow now actually videotaped that shooting a very emotional powerful document. again inconclusive but certainly galvanized a lot of people on the street who saw a woman pleading with police not o shoot her husband. >> we were listening to chief putney's conference there and at one point he said we're going lee re lease because there is a lot of information the public deserves so see. and later on when he was asked a question he said i -- himself, he personal will i did not see. clarify if i'm wrong. e, chief did not see an instance where keith lamont scott had a gun in his hand. so as dayna points out this won't be conclusive necessarily unless i don't know there is a way to take the wife's video and then the body cam and somehow make a case that there was never anything placed at the scene. so therefore what they did find was there in his hand all along? if am it getting this right? >> yeah. the chief has been pretty firm that the officers involved did nothing wrong, according to his view. he's also within firm in saying that there was a gun present. despite claims there could have been a plant. the chief is saying there was a gun there and they will offer proof of that not just video proof but dna evidence as well. >> -- >> he has 14 arrests in his past. at least one of those with assault with an armed weapon. he does a history. according to police he was not allowed to have a gun. and there was marijuana on the scene. and initially they were not looking for scott. they were looking for someone else. they noticed the marijuana and saw the gun inside the vehicle and things escalated from there. this is not a man a police were originally after when they arrived. >> unbelievable. greg. >> i don't have a question about what i haven't seen yet. so i want to ask about something i have seen. the criminals. how is the progress going in in terms of arresting and prosecuting the mobs that attacked the people in the parking garage and destroy the property? do we know anything about the rotten people who beat innocent people up? >> there have been a number of arrests. 11 more last night. and police are using video footage to actually figure who was behind some of that window smashing and looting and capture those people. and keep in mind too as the city of charlotte is taking a bad hit in its reputation that things have changed in the last two nights. we had two nights of violence but the last two nights peaceful organized demonstrations and the numbers not huge. so the question now is is this newly released videotape going to inflame things further, turn people against the police or as the police chief said will it be incon includkoconclusive and we continue to peter out on the street as far as violence goes. >> as we await the release of that important crucial evidence hopefully we'll put sol light on the whole situation and make make some of the people feel better. david thoughts. they are going to be able to release some important forensics which is going to be another important vantage point of what was present at the scene. some of the evidence they would need to process and tag right away, you know, in close conjunction with the time frame of the crime. do you think that is going to provide any kind of, i guess reassurance to the community that the police didn't do something wrong here? >> we haven't seen the videotape yet but i believe that putney was being as honest as he could be and as forthcoming as he could be. he did say no officers will be charged. he said that definitivefully. and i was curious what you how toly. and i was curious what you how to -- everybody has a different perspective. human beings might remember differently. if you were the prosecutor, the da or making a decision about officers being charged or in the, what do you do before this technology when you are weighing those different things? i'm fascinated by this change and how quickly it is happening? >> it is pretty unbelievable. now you have everybody with social media and phones on their camera so there is an ability to be able to in real time document things as they occur. the first thing you want to do when you find out the suspect's wife had a video and had it on her phone you want to get that so it is not tampered with. you want to preserve it and look it for evidence and preserve the crime scene so you can't say hey people planted this and also the run of the mill process ofrg the forensics. any kind of material like dna and fingerprints and all the things you need in the lab. a quick processing a quick turnaround. the fbi. state bureau of investigations. a number of agencies the dodge involved so so that allows you to kind of speed up -- >> also makes it a little slower. law enforcement can't keep up with what the public is demanding. > right because she had her tape out first now it's put the pressure on them to say hey you need to release the because all we now have is hearse and i think they are in trouble because especially with the writing kbopg on people are going to respond to that. begging for her husband's life. don't shoot. don't shoot. and say he doesn't have a gun. and they have to provide evidence to show this was a case of police overreach of brutality of planting evidence there are a lot of allegation os it there. >> yeah. the tape again is inconclusive. if you want this to matter or have an impact. you have to be dealing with minds that would be willing to change. and i just don't see any minds refusing to bend on this. so when you present facts, the facts that dispute the larger story get thrown aside. for example the 14 arrests may have nothing to do with that. but it does give you an influence into what kind of behavior in terms of kploins with somebody with 14 prior arrests what kind of compliance did he present. the job of the police officer is to deal with non compliance. and unfortunately whence reporters look at things like this they don't see the job beginning until the camera is beginning. they don't see what is going on before that and they don't see the reaction -- that police are reacting to non con compliance. >> greg. >> you can't shoot somebody dead for non compliance. >> non compliance could mean anything. what i'm saying is they are trying to do their job and he doesn't put down a gun that is non compliance. >> if it's a threat to the police. the question is was there a way to neutralize the situation without it ending up somebody dead. and -- >> -- >> you know, i have total respect for that and i appreciate the fact that the police protect me. i appreciate the fact that security protects me here as i do this show. >> especially with me around. >> i need some protection. but what i'm concerned about is again we are focusing on the minutia here. this is not an episode of law and order or forensics and blood and what does the video show. >> but those are facts. >> that's fine. but we have got a national crisis here when it comes to the black communities feeling that the police, nationally, use excessive force when dealing especially with poor people but specifically poor, black and latinos. and even more directly with young black men. >> so that is -- >> that's the larger story that when you present the larger story, the specifics just drop off of they just flake away. >> they don't drop off for me. what what i'm concerned about in specific is if you listen to donald trump, as the law and order message. back the police. back the police. back the police. and then if you listen to clinton, equilibrate clinton is want to make sure that you hear the voices. i don't want to be sitting in my car and some guy come up and pop me and -- >> the facts don't support the narrative. >> -- i'll again push back on yuan's assessment that any group is more targeted than others or dies as the group than others --. for the better part of two years we've been talking about on this show the use of body cams. this for a long time. there's a $50 million program by the federal government that matches. if a local municipality, a police force wants to put up x amount of dollars. the feds will match up to 50 million. that number should be triple or quadruple because this could save lives and property damage with multiples of the 50 million dollars. it will also exonerate the good cops and speed up the prosecution of bad cops. if there is an issue you would you will know it right away. only one cop had a body cam. >> but they also had a dashboard. >> yeah but you want the body cam -- >> i'm -- i 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not according to one of his surrogates. >> donald trump is not going to reinvent himself. hillary clinton is going through this like hillary clinton doesn't know who she is. she's got to stand there and go through this. doing psychological profiling and this. donald trump is going to come out there and be donald trump. if you believe in what he believes in, vote for him. and if you don't, don't. and boy, is that refreshing. >> hillary clinton is getting advice from a guy who's been through a few debates himself. >> be yourself and explain what motivates you. i've gotten to know hillary and see her work in tough and good times. sees in there for the right reasons. >> danny, you are the pro huron appearing in public. >> i think i share that with all of you. >> i think you have given counsel to people in political position. >> i fell like it is a little different for me. by the time i was the spokesperson for president bush he had watched his dad be vice president for two terms and be president for one term and to lose a race. and to be there when his dad did not do well in the debates against bill clinton. then he runs for governor and twice for president. by the time i got there there was no changing him. and i they that's kind of true about these candidate too. they are 69 or 70 years old. i think they do know themselves. part of the trump positioning hillary clinton doesn't know who she's. i think some people perceive her as such but she herself probably knows who she is. there is a lot of pre debate analysis and i don't think any of the thinks that is what's going to happen. the other thing is this race is very close right now. he's done a lot better in september than august and he's got momentum, which is great. you can't necessarily win an election based on debate but you can lose one. and so i think that is why the clinton people seem very nervous. >> so let me ask erik about donald trump. here is what i've observed about donald trump on a debate stage. he talks about his polls and i suppose he'll talk about gaining momentum. that is what he did during the republican thing. and the second thing is he tends to go quiet sometimes and he also tends to just take a shot. remember the nick names. can that work here with a woman? >> he has some advisors. people who have done wonders for him. poll numbers coming up. momentum is in his corner. i came up with four ideas. i'll go through them very quickly. this is what he should do. the big question about him. in the ad that's working of hibbe hillary clinton's is his temperament ad. stay calm, don't brawl. number three is the message. stay on the message. you are part of that same old school establishment stats quo politician. do you really want more of that? if you want more of that there is your president. if you want change come to me. that would be the right message and then do this. ask her how much a gallon of gas cost right now. something like that to that effect to find out if she's really in touch what w what's going on. >> does he know? >> well i don't know. -- >> so kimberly, i know you are not a big hillary fan but imagine you are hillary, what are you trying to accomplish and what kind of shot would you take at donald trump? >> i think you try and get under his skin and provoke the spontaneous combustion where he will say something offensive that will offend women, millennials, independents. some of the people you would like to pull numbers from. set it out there and see if you can get him to take the bait. he hasn't done a debate one on one before. this is really going to be like ma know a mano. he's been more measured lately. and think of the influence of some of the people around him now like kellyanne to try and get him to understand some of the nuance of that. but at the same time you don't want to try and, you know, re-make him because that will turn out like some frankenstein experiment. >> what we learned today is philippe raines is playing donald trump. i don't know if you know felipe. >> we lived together in the nineties --. no i have no idea. >> he can be explosive in dealing with me or any reporter. >> his e-mails. >> the history of e-mails that went public at one time. does it help if you have somebody who cea's trying to be jerk to hillary clinton? is that the trump people expect? >> you have to build up the immune system. you have to get dirty. you have to be tough. and the people around you have to have the guts to be tough. i think when i read all of this debate prep, it is a contrast between the studier and the class clown. it is lisa simpson versus bart simpson. she's going prepare like crazy, and he's going to go for laughs. and the thing is, the reality is generally the class clown wins because it is more memorable, more interesting and more exciting to see a joke than to hear like a fact and she wants to steep herself in facts i think she might have to learn to be -- everybody says how funny she is privately. i have yet to see that. >> we're waiting. >> and his strategy is to let her talk, right? that is what he wants to. >> he should. absolutely. let her talk as much as she possibly can for several reasons. one she's not that likable when she talks and she's had a history of when she talks a long time her voice. if she starts coughing there are no breaks. it is 90 minutes straight through. >> he should smoke a cigar just to see if he can get her to cough. >> the most watched of any -- apparently somebody taught she was funny. hillary's e-mail controversy, it's back and right before this crucial debate and there is a lot of new stunning information to dissect. mr. dayna parrino has details. and we're keeping a close eye on a trump rally expected to begin soon in virginia. the gop nominee going to speak to his supporters. keep it right here on the five on fox. ♪ ♪ hey gary, what'd you got here? 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[ laughter ] >> pseudonym, barry sotoro. >> yeah it is. a clown car this is. she gets more passes than you do kimberly at a club. >> i want to argue with all of you. i love conspiracy theories but the hyperventilating today. i don't get you guys. >> what is it? >> oh yeah. this proves something. this proves -- why didn't this gernt immunity -- look. wait a minute. you have two hundred pages here. no headline. do you know what the headline is. she didn't even know her own password. she spilled coffee -- >> you county think it is a big deal that the president and her were e-mailing each other. >> -- they don't know. they don't know. and i'm going to tell you something and greg makes this point often. i don't like it because i take it so personally but i often have to ask my kids to help me with the laptop today. help we google ert. oh that's ridiculous. they should know. sometimes people don't know! -- >> james comey offered immunity to four of her -- >> yes -- >> the -- >> cheryl mills knew and can't be deposed and can't be blamed. >> sounds like fbi fact-finding mission rather than an investigation that was going to ever lead to an indictment. >> like he was trying to use every power at his disposal. including pagliano who is basically just an i.t. guy to try to find did she do something. >> he was just following orders. not a great defense. >> -- to run for president to get the nomination because serve handed immunity like that you about it going anywhere. >> she's not only had a good answer to her e-mails to date. i don't see how she comes up with a better one on monday night. we got to keep going. every debate has them. they are zingers. donald trump's known for his. we're going look lack at the most memorable lines in all history. and waiting for donald trump to appear in roanoke virginia. i served in iraq in tikrit in 2009. >> and the tapes. ♪ that were really shocking. 11% of me comes from the part where i had served. we all come from such different backgrounds that you never know. ...doesn't go on your wrist. technology... ♪ the highly advanced audi a4, with class-leading horsepower. i've from nature's bounty to support my heart. eating better, keeping healthy. so that no matter what happens in the future, my "future self" will thank me. thank you! 45 years of experience has taught us: no matter what the future holds, you're always better off healthy. nature's bounty if you're approaching 65, now's the time to get your ducks in a row. to learn about medicare, and the options you have. you see, medicare doesn't cover everything - only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so if 65 is around the corner, think about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. . . . . so don't wait. call to request your free decision guide. and gather the information now to help you choose a plan later. these types of plans let you pick any doctor or hospital that takes medicare patients. and there's a range of plans to choose from, depending on you needs and your budget. so if you're turning 65 soon, call now and get started. because the time to think about tomorrow...is today. go long. it's scary when the lights go out. people get anxious and my office gets flooded with calls. so many things can go wrong. it's my worst nightmare. every second that power is out, my city's at risk. siemens digital grid manages and reroutes power, so service can be restored within seconds. priority number one is keeping those lights on. it takes ingenuity to defeat the monsters that live in the dark. what's going on here? 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>> when george w. bush and gore were gong itat it. and looked at him and checked him with his head. and i had asked someone. i said you can't practice for that, right? and they said actually, mark mckinnon apparently had studied all these tapes of al gore and told him gore likes to get in people's personal space so don't be surprised if he comes in on you. now the reaction of the president's was natural but that moment is actually credited with helping president bush win the vote of -- well the question of who would you rather have a beer with. >> that was great. >> that is the story -- >> -- before you go on let me just come back on that which is then the famous moment everybody is talking about today with regard to hillary clinton is rick lazio in the senate campaign. lazio walks into hillary clinton's personal space and it is taken that that drove hooints numbers way up because women saw it as such a personal offense. >> afterwards the campaign blew it up as fazio's buhling. >> so trump should do that. >> -- potentially a negative about his age into a positive and also showed his sense of humor so it sort of like wiped it away. like when you use dawn to do the dishes. >> one of the others is 1960, nixon. the first time i think it was televise and he fused to wear make up and ended up sweating a lot. >> sweated a lot. yeah. >> who else does that? >> who? >> i'm not going to say. somebody that works here. that refuses to wear make up. >> oh that's right. >> do you know who i feel bad for any feel bad for dan quayle. he's probably home right now. just got back in work and watching the five and oh know not this again. like the political equivalent of the ball going between bill buckner's legs. even though you have done other things. he'll always be remembered for. and -- >> ice cold response to the question about rape. >> the undecided, the people who are persuadable is they want to connect with you emotionally as a human being. sometimes it doesn't matter if you are the brightest bulb as greg was talking about lisa simpson versus homer. if homer is funny you are going to say -- >> bart. >> bart. not homer. >> al hthough homer might be a better. >> -- i think the biggest mistake every made was gerald ford who said oh there is no control over -- >> i read that in an article in the atlantic. that is not what he meant and. >> not what he meant and it hurt him -- >> i am lisa simpson. shoon i'm going the lose. >> leave it right there. social media, saturday, stay tuned for our answers to your questions about the election. constipated? 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and i think if you have to prepare for lester holt that is a problem. and we'll see how hillary does. because people think hillary -- you know, if trump starts off with the fabulous -- >> right. >> if question was. >> yes. where are you going he's not going to correct trump. >> of course i would do it. i would absolutely love it. >> of course you would. >> of course i'm the one on facebook that's sable f ee's avn hour. >> and i said i wanted to go to my laundromat to see if my shirts were getting clean. everybody at home, he's right, i don't think they clean my shirts. i would say yes to the proxy of the debate, and i would show up with gastrointestinal problems that you wouldn't believe. there's the dread before i do some things that's 1,000 times worse than it really is. what will be your primary snack during the debate. what's your second favorite snack? >> i like coffee and i love snacks. >> hot dog? >> pigs in a blanket. delightful. >> what was it first, salami? imagine if you're in a public situation. >> no, it's not. >> not the ones i get. >> i just sip on coffee, it doesn't matter what i'm doing. >> you eat cookies on the set on election night. >> so i'm commenting on facebook, fox is going to do a facebook live and the comments are going to come up, my primary snack is going to be vodka and club soda. if you see the conversation changing over the last 90 minutes, you'll know why. >> i have developed a significant love affair with -- >> don't tell dentist. >> my favorite -- i have a new one, you don't like them very much. it's a para nuts. you open it up, it's 90 calories, it's great, but you don't press on them to open them up because they'll pop-out. >> also i like corn nuts. >> your dentist is going to freak, i love them. #. >> i'm with you, my snack is basically alcohol. and then my fingernails. >> oh! >> ew! you're so gross. >> we only got one more thing, that's up next. >> you distribueliberately trie upset me. isn't it time to let the real you shine through? 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>> today, president obama joined by president bush for the opening of the national museum of african-american history and culture in washington, d.c., a very touching moment came at the end. president obama and first lady michelle obama joined four generations of the bonner family, descend departments from slaves, 1863 president lincoln signed the emancipation cl proclamation. >> you got david angelus, a great show. another little moment from the opening ceremonies that juan just talked about. this is so human. take a look at this, g.w. is trying to take a picture of some people, let me see if i can -- >> they're trying to do a selfie. president obama asked if he could do it for him. i think it's awesome that the president actually does a selfie. >> i'm doing a one more thing tease, perdue university has this awesome professor named murdock and he has an awesome idea. and i'm going to safe that for monday. >> see you on debate night, good night, everyone. and a fox news alert, donald trump set to hold a rally in roanoke, virginia, that is a key swing state in this election, hillary clinton has had a tight hold on virginia for most of the race so far. but it's the home state of her running mate, tim kaine, but paul says he has another state that's tightened in recent weeks. we'll bring you that rally the moment it happens. >> hi, eric, we are just over 48 hours away from the first presidential debate, cruz now putting the final touches on hofstra university on
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now-infamous recording from a may fundraiser. >> the 24% are with him. the government has the responsibility to care for them. >> a debate this morning about the 47%. taxes and government dependence. with two top surrogates for the candidate. democratic governor of massachusetts, duvall patrick and republican senator from new hampshire, kelly ayok. and then our political roundtable on the romney campaign under fire from romney conservatives what is the turn-around plan. are romney's troubles overstated? and what to look for as the candidates prepare for the debate. with a senior adviser to the romney campaign of democratic mayor of atlanta. and host of msnbc's "morning joe," joe scarborough and dee dee myers and chuck todd about what new polls in the battleground states tell us about the race. good sunday morning, election day is 44 days away. but early voting starts soon in several key battleground states. polls showing a small pool of undecided voters left. it's important for mitt romney as he tries to steady his campaign before the all-important presidential debates begin october 3rd. joining me two top surrogates, democratic governor of massachusetts, duvall patrick and the republican senator from new hampshire, kelly ayotte. good to have you here. a lot to get to. let's start with the issue of taxes and mitt romney's tax returns he released showing in 2011 he paid an effective tax rate of 14%. he didn't have a job, this was interest income. governor, should this end the debate or should there be more? >> i understand people's interest in and in fact curiosity about mitt romney's tax returns. think it was his dad who said that tax returns for presidential candidates should be produced way back many years and i think he produced 20 years' worth of tax returns or more. when he was being considered for vice president. but the more i think important issue is what is it he plans to do with my taxes and yours and everybody else's? he has a tax plan out there where he's talking about $5 trillion in tax cuts. adding to the deficit. no way to pay for that and no idea about how, what the impact is on the middle class. >> the question of more returns and what some of the overseas holdings were, you don't think that's an appropriate place to -- >> i think it's a fair question. i think the bigger question is what is it he plans to do with everybody else's taxes. >> ez ra klein asked a bigger-picture question as well in his column in the "washington post." i want to put a portion up on the screen. in 2011 romney made $14 million while being unemployed. klein writes compare romney to sangle mother of two who works full time at walmart who takes the earned income tax credit and whose children get health insurance through medicaid. romney said she's not taking personal responsibility, going back to the 47% comment. he said he couldn't get her to take personal responsibility if he tried. and yet romney is someone who doesn't have to take personal responsibility for earning money any more. he's beyond all of that and he's carried that belief into his policy proposal, his policy platform matches his comments, he won't raise taxes on the rich. but he wants to cut medicaid by over $1 trillion in the next decade. >> what governor romney wants, he wants to make sure the mother has a good job, a better paying job. where we are in this economy, think about it, we've added 15 billion people to the food stamp rolls, excuse me, million, during this presidency, we now have 47 million people on food stamps, it's unfortunate. these people want to get off food stamps, and have the good jobs, but where the economy is right now, so many people have lost hope. the last jobs report showed for every job added, four people have left the workforce because the president, let's not forget the president and democrats were in charge for the first two years. the policies they passed didn't deal with where we are in the economy. think about the stimulus. >> i want to talk specifically about tax returns. 14% in an effective tax rate. does that make it harder for governor romney to reach out to average americans and say, i get you. >> governor romney is reaching out to average americans with a plan to get people working again. because the president's policies have not worked. he tried, but we talked about the stimulus, his team represented we'd be below 6%. we'd had over 43 months of over 8% unemployment. the lowest labor participation rate, people are leaving the workforce, so where governor romney is saying to people, he wants opportunity. he wants the upward mobility for that mother. >> you talk about upward mobility. that's not something we saw out of his speech he gave back in july at a fundraiser to wealthy donors. this where the 47% came from. and in context here, let's play a portion of that, to see exactly ha his, what his vision was. >> i said the 47% were with him who are, who believe that they're victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them. who believe that they're entitled to health care, to food, to housing. to you name it. that's entitlement. and the government should do it. and they will vote for this president, no matter what. it's responsibility. >> senator, they see themselves as victims. he now says that he's really for the 100% in america. is anybody going to buy that, given that dim vision of half the country? >> you know, david, that certainly was a political analysis at a fundraiser, buttis not a governing philosophy. it's different from this president, to get our economy moving. we have to look back at the policies of this president and where we are as an economy. >> before we get to that particular argument, do you see 47% of the country that receives government dependence? do you think they see themselves as victims? >> whey see is what the governor sees, i see 15 million more people on food stamps that don't want to be enter. i see 47 million of americans overall on food stamps that want a good job, they don't want to be on unemployment. but where we are with the policies under this administration, the tax regulatory policies, the more government spending, adding $5 trillion to the debt, those opportunities aren't there for them and that's what this election is about. >> it's shocking to me that a candidate could aspire to be president by turning his back on half the country. and i think that's what came through. i think i can tell you as someone who grew up on welfare, who spent some time on food stamps, my mother was just the kind of person that i think the senator is describing. who was aspiring. to get to a better place. to get her g.e.d., to get her job, to stand on her own two feet and the notion that she or we or people like us, would be belittled while we needed some help to be able to stand on or own two feet is exactly what i think governor romney is conveying. >> do you think that president obama has not said to group of donors, look, there's certain segments of the republican electorate that are just not going to vote for me? why shouldn't this be seen as political analysis and not a governing philosophy. >> what the president has done most importantly is governed for all the people. he's advanced policies that are not popular with his base. but he did them because he thought they were posh for the future of this country -- important for the future of this country. >> let's talk specifically, senator about, some of the issues the 47% gets to the question of dpost dependence. as you referenced, here are a couple of the snapshots of government dependence nationally that have raised some eyebrows and that indeed governor romney has talked b. you talk about food stamps now, nearly 47 million americans on food stamps, up dramatically from four years ago. here's a broader picture from the "wall street journal" and the census bureau. if you go back to the early '80s and upwards, 49% now receiving some kind of government benefit. is government dependence at a place where it's out of control? >> well, david, think where we are is that too many people have to rely on food stamps or unemployment benefits, instead of a good job. that's what this comes down to. to think that so many people have left the workforce when you look at the august report where every job added, four people have left. with over 43 straight months of over 8% unemployment. let's not forget the president and the democrats had two years, what did they do? they passed health care reform where the president represented that premiums would go down, they've gone up. this week we've got a report from cbo that six million middle class americans will get hit by the tax penalties in the president's health care reform. so the policies that he pushed when they were in charge. did not address the problems and that's why we need new leadership of making sure that we get people working and again. someone who has the private-sector experience to turn the economy around. >> i want to agree with some of what the senator has said about the fact that more people on food stamps, ba because we're in a terrible economy and more people need a way forward. i would submit that most of those people, if not all, want a job and we have to be about strengthening this economy. i think adding some $4.6 million private-sector jobs in the last two years as the president has, more in that time than george w. bush added in eight years, is a definite and indeed a profound example of the progress that we're making. and the policies that are on offer, by governor romney are policies that have shown themselves to fail. so the notion of benefitting the very fortunate, exclusively and letting it trickle down to everybody else, is something that has been shown to fail in the past. we should not go back. >> senator, a bigger question, partly a political question. i know you're a supporter of governor romney's campaigning forum in new hampshire. but here's a reality. he offered policy analysis on 47% of this country, including a lot of republican voters, people who receive entitlements through social security and medicare that they paid into. he's talking about this group of people, will not take personal responsibility. it betrayed a lack of understanding of how the government works, how america works. the american work ethic. do you think he needs to go beyond saying this was inelegant. so saying he was flat wrong? >> i have to say this, david, i absolutely disagree with your analysis of this. i campaigned with him, i knows he cares about every single american in this country and that he has a vision, unlike this president, where we are today. we're declining. we're need to come out of this to think about where we are with this president has more months of over 8% unemployment than the last 11 presidents combined. this, you think about governor romney. wants opportunity. wants upward mobility. wants people to have the good-paying job. and that is what his whole campaign is about. by the way, if you think about the policies of the last two years, all they brought us is more unemployment. what we need is people to have a good-paying job. i hear from small business every day, the right tax regulatory policies, these are mom-and-pop businesses that feel burdened by this administration. >> part of it he was talking about 47% of american who is pay no federal income tax and too dependant on the government -- his words -- to do everything for them. housing, food, et cetera, you're not being responsible to that point. on the tax question i pose this question in the senate, in the virginia senate debate between tim cain and george allen. they were talking about whether there should be a minimum federal income tax. this is how tim kane answered the question. >> do you believe everyone in virginia should pay something in federal incox tax. >> would you be open to that, governor? >> maybe, the first i'm hearing about it. should everybody have skin in the game? >> well, that's where i was going. i think we go to this question of taxes, tax cuts, tax increases and so forth. too fast. we, it seems to me the first question ought to be, what is it we want government to do and not do? what's the sensible way and fair way to pay for that? i really believe in this notion, just as president does, of common as you and common destiny. that we all have stake in educating our kids. we all have a stake in assuring that this country is well defended. we all have a stake in investing in the infrastructure that creates a platform for economic growth and opportunity. we all have a stake in the american dream. we used to come together around that the kind of sharp, poisonous political discourse that characterizes so much of what goes on in the congress, i mean no disrespect, senator, personal disrespect in, no disrespect at all in fact, not just personal in saying that. you think that the country is hungry for a kind of a conviction-based leadership. frankly the kind of leadership -- >> the irony of this of course, the president ran as someone who z going to unite people. but everything when you listen to the way that he's trying to divide us. you know whether it's rich versus poor, have's versus have-not's. and wanting to bring people together. blaming republicans, all the problems on other areas 0 other people. think about the comment this week about you can't change washington from the inside. he had two years in charge. i agree with the governor, we do need leadership that unites and we do need leadership of someone who is thinking about making sure that we have those opportunities so that we're not in a position where 47% -- >> you're not blaming president for pitting classes against each other. after governor romney said 47% of the country are freeloaders who won't take personal responsibility. >> just to hear what the governor is saying here, i certainly respect what essaying but if you look at what the president has said and what he's done. of where we are. his leadership on his policies have failed and he has not been the uniting force that we need to get things done. >> on one point, the issue of the president's record, it has to do with high unemployment. and something that caught our eye this week as we were looking, this comment from the chairman of the congress at black caucus, manuel cleaver, congressman from missouri spoke on monday. this is what he wrote. i'm supposed to say he doesn't get a pass but i'm not going to say 2456789 look as the chair of the black caucus, i've got to tell you we're always hesitant to criticize the president. with 14% black unemployment. if we had a white president, we would be marching around the white house. pretty stinging criticism from the chairman of the black caucus. >> i respect the chairman of the black caucus and the fact that there is 14%, if that's the right number, unemployment among black people. among young people, the unemployment rate is higher than the national average as well. nobody is prepared to declare victory. we've had the worst economic environment in a generation or two. since the great depression and that was caused by the way, by some of the very policies that governor romney is urging on the country today. this president has turned that around. this president has shown that he's able to swim against the current and make some change. and so we see more people with health care in this country than ever before. more people, more private-sector jobs in the last two years than the previous eight. we've seen the automobile industry saved. we've seen the financial industry saved. we've seen the country brought back from the brink of depression. are we done? of course not, of course not. but we're certainly on a about thor course and pointed in the right direction. >> david, i guess what i heard was, that this president needs more time. but where we are, if you think about it, this is the worst economic recovery since world war ii and it's been an anemic recovery. when they had full charge of the congress, they pushed forward a health care bill where people are paying more for premiums. people are going to be hit, middle class hit with the tax penalty. where the regulatory climate for this country, small businesses, they're not going to create the job and the governor has a plan to make sure that we simplify lower rates. make it a better tax climate for everyone, for everyone and make sure that we get people to work. a regulatory climate where small businesses want to thrive and grow. it's been the opposite as the president, i would say he tried, but his policies failed. >> let me end on one issue that's important to us as nbc news, that's the issue of education, a big summit we're beginning, "education nation" today. >> thank you for doing that. >> it's important, we certainly are committed to it part of that is a conversation with president obama, that "the today show's" savannah guthrie conducted. i want to play a portion of that about where the political debate is now. >> mitt romney said that president obama has chosen his side in this fight. that you sided with the unions. and another time last spring, he said he can't talk of reform while indulging in groups that block it. >> well, you know, i think governor romney and a numb of folks try to politicize the issue and do a lot of teacher-bashing. when i meet teachers all across the country, they're so devoted, so dedicated to their kids. and what we've tried to do is actually break through this left-right conservative-liberal gridlock and that's what my key reform has been all about. a race to the top. >> more of that education nation interview with president obama tuesday and wednesday on the "today show." plus a live conversation with governor romney at education nation, that summit on tuesday. quickly from both of you. governor, have we moved beyond this pro union anti-union debate? >> we better, in massachusetts our students are number one in the nation in student achievement and have been for each of the last now years. we have the most unionized education system, i think in the country. the unions are intent at the table with us on reform for more than a decade. we moved a bill a couple of years ago to try to close the achievement gap and they were right there with us. >> senator? >> i would ask mayor emmanuel where we are right now on the unions this is clearly an important issue on the chicago strike and obviously governor romney believes kids first, unions last. i think where condoleezza rice hit it at our convention, that giving parents, empowering parents with school choice, with under-performing schools, minority students, poor students, that's the civil rights issue of this tile and i think unfortunately in the areas of d.c. opportunity scholarship turned his back on it. that's where we need to go and governor romney supports that. >> a note to our viewers, a question that comes up a lot. we have longstanding invitation for president obama to appear on this program and share his views about this important campaign and we hope he will choose to do so before this election. if you missed mitt romney's interview a few weeks ago, see it on nbcnews.com. coming up, can mitt romney turn the campaign around? 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[ male announcer ] visine® with hydroblend. coming up, what the new polls in the battleground states tell us about the state of the race, chuck todd starts off our round table right after this break. here tonight's top story. mitt romney on friday released his 2011 tax returns which showed he paid a 14% tax rate. just a little less than what restaurants add on for parties of six or more. the 14% tax rate romney paid is less than the 20% paid by the average american. how did he pay such a low rate? he claimed 47% of americans as dependants. >> we're back, that was "saturday night live" having some fun with mitt romney and the tax debate. we'll get into it with the round table. joining us, joe scarborough. and babe buchanan, democratic strategist, dee dee myers, "new york times" columnist, david brooks and the democratic mayor of atlanta, kaseem reed. first you saw him lurking in the background of dee dee myers shot, our political director chuck todd is here with new polls in the battleground states. when team romney said the head-to-head matchup nationally is tight, that's not the full story, chuck? >> it isn't. look at the battleground polls, this is everything that's coming out in the last week in different states. i want to highlight a couple here. look at michigan, 14-point gap for the president, obviously the republican was like to try to put michigan in play. it doesn't look like it's the case. look at iowa, i want to highlight that, iowa has been a toss-up state. something in the middle of the battleground, we've decided it's no longer in the battleground, the eight-point lead you now put it in president obama's column. so he sits there 243. ha does that mean? it means he's just one state away from 270. if you just give him florida, he sits at 272. but if you look at virginia and ohio, two states the president had, seven-point leads, and you give him those two, excuse me here -- and it puts him at 274. so he's now we're sitting there we've shrunk the battleground, we've put the president obviously sitting there with a top lead. what's it all done? because of one thing and that's because of economic optimism. i want to show something from our last nbc/"wall street journal," 42% of have optimistic views that the economy is going to get better in the next three months. >> and the narrative. here's the "detroit free press," about the tape recording about the 47%. the headline, romney's 47% remark, will it sink the campaign? joe scarborough, how much trouble is the romney campaign in this morning and what change it is? >> they're in a lot of trouble this morning but thank god that the election is about 47 days off. they are tied in the nal polls and we republicans believe we conservatives still believe that a rising tide lifts all boats. we've got four debates coming up. i personally think romney is a very calculating, data-driven guy. you tell him you got 90 seconds to aps a question on libya. he's going to have a good answer. he's going to do well in the deets baits. i think ryan is going to do well in the debates. we've got a long way to go. it's not over. that said, the trajectory of the campaign has to change. this has been a horrific week for him even the romney people behind the scenes will tell you. the libya press conference was a nightmare for him, even worse than the 47% video. they've got to right the ship. if they do, long way to go. >> the romney campaign in fact, the candidate himself telling "60 minutes" tonight there's no need for a turn-around in this campaign. david brooks, you wrote a stinging column that got a lot of attention, the headline is "thurston howell" referring to "gilligan's island." your comment about the 47%. the comment suggests that he doesn't know much about the country inhabits who are these freeload sners the iraq war veteran who goes to the v.a., the stoo unt going to get a loan for college. the retiree on social security or medicare. i think he's a kind, decent man who pretends to be something he's not. he's running a depressingly inept presidential campaign. your entitlement reform ideas are great. but when will the incompetence stop? >> i'm sitting there while he's talking, can't fake it. if you don't have the passion for those type of guns, you can't write tom clancy novels, mitt romney does not have a passion for the kind of stuff he's talking about. he's a problem-solver. he's a nonideological person running in an extremely ideological age. he's faking it. he should be a power-point guy, saying i'm making a sales pitch to the country. you don't have to love me. i would do a more wonky and detailed thing than he's done so far. >> do you have to look at the 47% comment, that went beyond political analysis and said it was political analysis, not a governing philosophy. this was inelegant. do you have to somehow make amends in way he's not done yet? >> you know, the press is not going to change and of course our opponents aren't. want to mischaracterize what he said. what he's say something the 47% is going to be voting. the solid base of the president. it included in those people, are people i'm going to have a hard time reaching. you know there's people who dependant on government. so who even feel they're owed something by government. many of them don't pay income tax. my message doesn't work for them. that's all he was saying. he he never said he didn't care about them. >> he said i don't have to worry about them. >> that's a direct quote. >> in general election. can't worry about them, he has to worry about the 6%. sure, i would like to take off the cream on the 47, one poll has the president down to 46. but his focus in the general election is the 6% he can get. that he has a terrific chance of getting and he will fight for them. as president he will fight for those who are dependant on government. this president has given us a terrible record. americans can't get off their dependency and it's longer and longer. more difficult. there's no jobs to get them out what mitt romney offers to those americans is way, a ladder to climb out of that mess. opportunity and jobs again. >> is that how you see his comments this week, the 47%? >> i don't think is a question of mischaracterization. all you have to do is listen to the whole piece. his comments were terrible. he implied 47% of the people are basically freeloaders, that's what he implied. it was offensive. this isn't a case of mischaracterization. what it shows is that republicans have a candidate that's defective and it shouldn't be surprising to them. he's made these mistakes repeatedly. the best analysis of this election this year that i've heard was from a republican friend that i was having dinner with. he said that this guy is defective. he said he's like being a bad nascar driver on a rich team. he said no matter how good the car is, no matter how bad the pit crew is, the driver has to drive the car. this guy puts it on the wall every single time. wait a minute, man, i let you speak. he puts it on the wall when he says let gm go bankrupt. he puts it on the wall when he says let 47% of the people i don't have to concern myself with. he puts it on the wall when he travels across the east, goes to the uk, offends one of our strongest allies. he repeatedly puts ton the wall and makes mistakes and that's why we're where we are, 44 days out. >> dee dee, the political prism through which to look at this is what is his biggest negative he has to deal with does he connect with average voters. >> does he have any understanding at all life outside the bubble that he's lived in? there's no point in his life. with the possible exception with his one admission to paris where he's gotten himself outside of his comfort zone -- >> going to paris? the suburbs of paris? >> i'm not saying he likes the french. don't get me wrong. but at every turn of his life. he's been generous, it's always within the context of a very limited universe. so he has no feel for what real people are going through. when those two engage -- in action -- every turn of this campaign when he has spoken. how does he enjoy sport? he likes to hang out with the team owners. you know when he travels around, he's most comfortable -- >> he calls sports -- sport. >> one point. we have real -- fundraisers, that's where he goes off script and talks more expansively about what his plans are. >> look at people he's helped, he's helped alcoholic mormons, illegal immigrants. he's nursed kids who are dying. he gave $4 million to charity in one year. if you look at his private life. all through his life. he's given a lot of money. if you -- >> we know in 2011 he -- >> he has the perfect life story for compassionate conservative campaign because he's lived that life. and what's the problem is, he's running a different campaign. george bush, ronald reagan, jack kemp, they looked to people in the community colleges and said okay, they're maybe on food stamps, but taking two buses, working two jobs and -- >> that's the problem with the 47%. i really don't think that's going to change a vote. i really don't. i do believe, though, that it is deflated conservatives at "the wall street journal." conservatives like david, conservatives like myself, conservatives on talk radio. we believe in smaller government because we believe, like jack kemp, believed, like ronald reagan believed, like margaret thatcher believed, that's how you help the most people. i will say still without apology, i believe a rising tide lifts all boats. i believe you unshackle individuals and they can prosper in this country, what's so disturbing about that video -- is like you said, david, mitt romney doesn't get it, he doesn't believe it. and that's what comes. margaret thatcher, shop keeper's daughter would have never said that in a million years. >> never. and you know this is like 4-1, i should be allowed to speak for each one of these people here. >> wait, wait -- >> you don't like the margaret thatcher fan or a ronald reagan fan? >> let me make a point. >> i'm for a small government conservative. >> on this set you appear to be one of the four. >> i'm also with "the wall street journal" editorial page. i'm with every conservative i'm with rush, i'm with you name the conservative, you have my concern. so please don't characterize me as being one of these four. >> i love them all. >> first of all you know to characterize the personal life of mitt romney as dee dee has, is to show that she does not know the man. she does 23409 know what he has done. because this is a man who has spent a life in serving others, that is the basis of what he believes and he has done it. number two, number two, we have, we have, we are in perilous times in this country. we are looking at financial ruin. we are looking at dependency. we're a nation of people dependant on their government. and that is what barack obama gives us, he promises that in four more years. this election will decide if we take that path or with mitt romney we take a pap where we allow those, those who are in trouble. those relying on food stamps. this is just, these are political talking points more than being responsive to some of the political reality we can show it on the screen. the unfavorable rating of mitt romney. you understand how campaigns operate. look at his high unfavorable ratings at 50%, the highest of any candidate running in recent memory. this is an image problem that his philosophical statements in this speech in may to fundraisers, only ex-as baits. >> it's because of the exacerbates. >> it's because of the way's been falsely interpreted. >> by joe scarborough? >> i'm sorry, i've got to cut this off. >> david brooks -- >> which side are you on? you are taking this country -- >> the "wall street journal" editorial page. laura ingram, rush limbaugh,ky go on and on -- >> if you want to blame the media for mitt romney's inept campaign, peggy noonan said it best this is a nightmare of a campaign. and the most troubling thing is it's not that a lot of us republicans don't think he can win, we do believe he can win. but when he says he has no need to turn this campaign around after a disastrous week, where you see ohio slipping away, wisconsin slipping away? iowa slipping away, michigan slipping away? that's a political concern. not an ideological concern, that's a political concern. >> let me step back for a second. david brooks you're looking at the substantive debate taking place here about the records of two candidates, biographies of two candidates, but also where we are politically in the state of this campaign. if we pull back, how do you diagnose where he goes next? where he tries to go next? >> he has to look at what the president's weakness is. he's never going to win a popularity contest. the president's weakness is that he has no second-term agenda. he put out a great album in 2008. he doesn't have an agenda now. because he's intellectually exhausted. i think you have to say, okay, here's my agenda. you have to go extremely wonky. you know something about this campaign, the best political speech of this whole campaign, the bill clinton's, was the wonkiest speech. there's a hunger for that kind of stuff. that should be his heelhouse power point. i'm going to reform four institutions, tax code, entitlements, energy and make the political system work. don't love me, but i will do these four products for you. >> the problem is that you can't run for president saying, i'll tell you later. hasn't told us. >> you need to tell barack obama that. >> i tell you what, what he hasn't told us is how do you take a $5 trillion tax cut in this economy and then spend an additional $1 million to $2 million on defense spending, expand the military by 100,000 troops and pay for it without costing the middle class? >> come on. >> all he says is -- >> what is, all he says is we'll tell you later. >> what is the most significant law barack obama has proposed for a second term? >> for the second term he's been focused on jobs. >> and you say -- >> wait a minute. >> the american jobs act. is a legitimate proposal that is based primarily around infrastructure, which republicans and democrats have traditionally agreed on. if you go to the -- >> what i tell you what. it kept the country from going into a great depression. i'll tell you what, oh yes it did. under your guy, george bush, we lost 3.5 million jobs. >> hold on, hold on. wait a minute. >> i'll go to joe. >> it would be -- [ people talking at the same time ] >> barack obama has produced more net private-sector jobs than george w. bush. if we want to go to the facts and be patriots and put the country first, we can look at the american recovery and reinvestment act. 10% of the $780 billion spent generated 35% of all the jobs. >> what are the pillars of a second term? for president obama? >> well first of all there is no pillar of his second term. he is, you know i use the example in 2008 he was elvis 1957. 2012, he's looking more like elvis in ' 77. he's singing the old hits, doesn't believe it himself. he president didn't bring up the stimulus act. if it was such a great boon for american workers, he would have brought it up. he didn't bring up obama care. he has no plan over the next four years, i agree with david. if mitt romney wants to win, he needs to come forward and tell people -- how he can get them back to work. we can talk about medicare reform, which i believe in. we can talk about reducing the debt. which i fought for for 15 years. but until you tell people how you're requesting to get them back to work, how you're going to help the working class do better, how you're going to help people pay for their children's education, they're not going to listen to you. >> there's no question in the romney campaign, we're bringing out the details as we speak. there's no question there to go to this gentleman's point, what the legacy of barack obama has been, is quite clear. more and more debt placed on american people. millions and millions of people now on food stamps, the only way they can pay for their families. and in embassies under siege. that's what we got from him. going back to the political points this is where the romney campaign is today. we are in a dead heat nationally. the momentum is ours, you see that the president's numbers have come down. mitt romney's numbers are coming up. our polls and other polls out here have the one state after another. the close states swing states as a dead heat. or within the margin of error. so this is -- >> no need for a turn-around. >> we are five weeks out around we and we're are in a dead heat against the president of united states. >> not to interrupt, what's the message? >> the message is a clear one. >> these are the two paths here this is the foundation, the philosophy of the two campaigns. one towards more and more dependant nation. the other towards a people that are self-reliant. where they can be proud of the work they, do the product they produce. >> let me get a break in here. we'll have more of this look forward to the debates. how this, this debate will play out when they go head to head, with our roundtable after this. both worlds. sleep train's inventory clearance sale is ending soon. save 10%, 20%, even 35% on a huge selection of simmons and sealy clearance mattresses. get 2 years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. even get free delivery! sleep train stacks the savings high to keep the prices low. but hurry, the inventory clearance sale is ending soon. superior service, best selection, lowest price, guaranteed. ♪ sleep train ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ we're back with the roundtable. david, we've been talking about the need for governor romney to win some of the policy debates. you talked about entitlements. paul ryan appeared before the aarp convention talking about medicare. not exactly a great reception. watch. >> the first step to a stronger medicare is to repeal obama care. because it represents the worst of both worlds. >> i had a feeling there would be mixed reaction so let me get into it. >> paul ryan doesn't shrink from a fight. talking about entitlements, he did it there. the promise was he's going to take on medicare and win the fight. does it work? >> the passivity works. every time i get sick of republicans and i hear the aarp and i'm glad i'm not a democrat. the basic formula here, which ryan is laying out is the average medicare recipient over the course of their life pays in about $150,000. they get out, people differ, somewhere between $250 now and $35,000. so the gap is being put on the next generation. that's the essential problem he's trying to lay out. that's elm bedded in his plan. i think it's a pretty good plan. but they're not making the argument for that plan. for reasons which i guess i understand politically. if you're going to embrace ryan, argue for vienna. the democrats are running a false scare campaign. not the one they're running on now. i think it's crucial to, to solve this problem. and they have a plan which unfortunately romney/ryan not talking about. >> let's tip our hat to paul ryan, because you hear that he got booed at aarp. but he went through. the demographics, he went through the numbers, he explained. it was not about ideological. it was about how math. about how medicare was going bankrupt. if the aarp audience wanted to boo him, that's not a paul ryan's people. that's a problem of people who is heads continue to get stuck in the sand. i wish mitt romney would show that courage. maybe he will. >> that's one of the complaints you're hearing from republicans that people, the base looked at the choice of ryan and said okay, great. now the romney campaign is going to take it on. and instead of romney becoming more like ryan, the opposite has happened. you saw ryan in that clip talking about the details and that's not something we're seeing the campaign do on a regular basis. >> this is about more than paul ryan being booed by the aarp. this is about the american people not wanting to privatize medicare after they've been paying into it paul ryan is make all the presentations he wants and lay out the fact. but the president did extend medicare by eight years and folks aren't buying i'm going to take care of people currently on the system, we're going to change it forever for everybody else. >> so -- >> you know we have to do that. >> we have to do it as part of an overall budget deal. a $4 trillion deal. where we put everything on the table. if we want to get a deal, let's get an overall global deal that puts $4 trillion on the table that includes revenue raises. >> paul ryan -- >> $4 trillion is a drop in the bucket. >> before you saw ridiculous. where it's $4 trillion or $6 trillion to get a budget deal we have to have revenue-raising measures. you cannot implement paul ryan's plan while not allowing for any increases -- >> first of all, you know, the governor romney showed enormous courage when he picked paul ryan for just this reason because he's willing to engage that battle. we know we have a president who is just this week said you can't do it. i can't do it. that this, it's you can't change washington from the inside. he has given up. we know on medicare, we have 12 years before we're going to be facing bankruptcy and the president took $716 billion. took it out and put it in obama care. >> that's flat-out not true. >>s did true. >> paul ryan did not, did the same thing. medicare, being moved around. what we will do is the president will put that $716 right back in to medicare. >> when are we going to solve these problems? the president enjoys all of those perks of the office. when is he going to do heavy lifting? we have medicare in serious trouble. we have a nation heading to bankruptcy and what's he say? i can't do it. >> can i -- hold on. >> in two years. >> the mayor just laid out the solution. wooer going to have a deal at some point. probably after some sort of national fiscal crisis that republicans are going to raise revenue. the doctors are going to agree to restructure medicare. they're probably not going to do it before a big national bankruptcy, because it's politically hard. we'll solve it after a big national crisis. >> we'll have a big national debate. dee dee you've been through this with a candidate before. look at this from politico in terms of the anticipation of these debates. the nerms quite high. 83% saying they plan to wind chill all or some. is there too much being built into these debates in terms of potential game-changers? >> people look at the history of debates, they don't change the dynamic of the race, but mitt romney is taking it seriously, it's possibly his last opportunity to make a big impression so he's sort of preparing for this months ago. he spent a lot of time as well he should. he has proven himself to be a good debater. he's a fact and figures guy, he practices and works very hard. he won 16 of the 20 debates as the obama campaign will tell you in their effort to lower expectations in the republican primary. and challengers tend to do well by being on stage with the incumbent, they look presidential. >> can romney still win? >> of course he can still win. we've got four debates left. 45 days left. dee dee knows better than anybody else. the old saying, harrod mcmillan who said in politics a week is a lifetime. give anybody 40, 45 days and they can change everything. the biggest concern is the attitude in mitt romney's head right now. when he says, that they don't need to turn the campaign around, when you have stuart, stevens and others saying full steam ahead, that's a serious problem. if they change the trajectory and start getting specific like bay said they were going to, he can win. >> on the debates, this is what's e. we're going to be able to challenge th record. to make his start to defending this lousy record to explain why he is unable to create jobs and give up things to americans, let him defend one in six americans in importanty. one in certain americans in food stamps. that's a debate we welcome. something the media -- >> this is getting serious. can we have a feel-good moment? >> we got to tip a cap quite literally to the playoff-bound nationals, the washington nationals, the first time that washington has had a playoff team since 1933 when i was a little boy. they've been so great to follow. fdr was president when they were playing the giants in the world series that year. he said i'll have sit on both sides to keep it even. washington, going all the way. thank you all, great discussion, before we go, a programming note, can you watch presspass, conversation on our blog. the crisis facing american's young people and their efforts for the boys and girls clubs of america at nbcmeetthepress.com. now from the maker of splenda sweeteners, discover nectresse. the only 100% natural, no-calorie sweetener made from the goodness of fruit. the rich, sweet taste of sugar. nothing artificial. ♪ it's all that sweet ever needs to be. new nectresse. sweetness naturally.
>> the 24% are with him. the government has the responsibility to care for them. >> a debate this morning about the 47%. taxes and government dependence. with two top surrogates for the candidate. democratic governor of massachusetts, duvall patrick and republican senator from new hampshire, kelly ayok. and then our political roundtable on the romney campaign under fire from romney conservatives what is the turn-around plan. are romney's troubles overstated? and what to look for as the candidates prepare for the debate. with a senior adviser to the romney campaign of democratic mayor of atlanta. and host of msnbc's "morning joe," joe scarborough and dee dee myers and chuck todd about what new polls in the battleground states tell us about the race. good sunday morning, election day is 44 days away. but early voting starts soon in several key battleground states. polls showing a small pool of undecided voters left. it's important for mitt romney as he tries to steady his campaign before the all-important presidential debates begin october 3rd. joining me two top surrogates, democratic governor of massachusetts, duvall patrick and the republican senator from new hampshire, kelly ayotte. good to have you here. a lot to get to. let's start with the issue of taxes and mitt romney's tax returns he released showing in 2011 he paid an effective tax rate of 14%. he didn't have a job, this was interest income. governor, should this end the debate or should there be more? >> i understand people's interest in and in fact curiosity about mitt romney's tax returns. think it was his dad who said that tax returns for presidential candidates should be produced way back many years and i think he produced 20 years' worth of tax returns or more. when he was being considered for vice president. but the more i think important issue is what is it he plans to do with my taxes and yours and everybody else's? he has a tax plan out there where he's talking about $5 trillion in tax cuts. adding to the deficit. no way to pay for that and no idea about how, what the impact is on the middle class. >> the question of more returns and what some of the overseas holdings were, you don't think that's an appropriate place to -- >> i think it's a fair question. i think the bigger question is what is it he plans to do with everybody else's taxes. >> ez ra klein asked a bigger-picture question as well in his column in the "washington post." i want to put a portion up on the screen. in 2011 romney made $14 million while being unemployed. klein writes compare romney to sangle mother of two who works full time at walmart who takes the earned income tax credit and whose children get health insurance through medicaid. romney said she's not taking personal responsibility, going back to the 47% comment. he said he couldn't get her to take personal responsibility if he tried. and yet romney is someone who doesn't have to take personal responsibility for earning money any more. he's beyond all of that and he's carried that belief into his policy proposal, his policy platform matches his comments, he won't raise taxes on the rich. but he wants to cut medicaid by over $1 trillion in the next decade. >> what governor romney wants, he wants to make sure the mother has a good job, a better paying job. where we are in this economy, think about it, we've added 15 billion people to the food stamp rolls, excuse me, million, during this presidency, we now have 47 million people on food stamps, it's unfortunate. these people want to get off food stamps, and have the good jobs, but where the economy is right now, so many people have lost hope. the last jobs report showed for every job added, four people have left the workforce because the president, let's not forget the president and democrats were in charge for the first two years. the policies they passed didn't deal with where we are in the economy. think about the stimulus. >> i want to talk specifically about tax returns. 14% in an effective tax rate. does that make it harder for governor romney to reach out to average americans and say, i get you. >> governor romney is reaching out to average americans with a plan to get people working again. because the president's policies have not worked. he tried, but we talked about the stimulus, his team represented we'd be below 6%. we'd had over 43 months of over 8% unemployment. the lowest labor participation rate, people are leaving the workforce, so where governor romney is saying to people, he wants opportunity. he wants the upward mobility for that mother. >> you talk about upward mobility. that's not something we saw out of his speech he gave back in july at a fundraiser to wealthy donors. this where the 47% came from. and in context here, let's play a portion of that, to see exactly ha his, what his vision was. >> i said the 47% were with him who are, who believe that they're victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them. who believe that they're entitled to health care, to food, to housing. to you name it. that's entitlement. and the government should do it. and they will vote for this president, no matter what. it's responsibility. >> senator, they see themselves as victims. he now says that he's really for the 100% in america. is anybody going to buy that, given that dim vision of half the country? >> you know, david, that certainly was a political analysis at a fundraiser, buttis not a governing philosophy. it's different from this president, to get our economy moving. we have to look back at the policies of this president and where we are as an economy. >> before we get to that particular argument, do you see 47% of the country that receives government dependence? do you think they see themselves as victims? >> whey see is what the governor sees, i see 15 million more people on food stamps that don't want to be enter. i see 47 million of americans overall on food stamps that want a good job, they don't want to be on unemployment. but where we are with the policies under this administration, the tax regulatory policies, the more government spending, adding $5 trillion to the debt, those opportunities aren't there for them and that's what this election is about. >> it's shocking to me that a candidate could aspire to be president by turning his back on half the country. and i think that's what came through. i think i can tell you as someone who grew up on welfare, who spent some time on food stamps, my mother was just the kind of person that i think the senator is describing. who was aspiring. to get to a better place. to get her g.e.d., to get her job, to stand on her own two feet and the notion that she or we or people like us, would be belittled while we needed some help to be able to stand on or own two feet is exactly what i think governor romney is conveying. >> do you think that president obama has not said to group of donors, look, there's certain segments of the republican electorate that are just not going to vote for me? why shouldn't this be seen as political analysis and not a governing philosophy. >> what the president has done most importantly is governed for all the people. he's advanced policies that are not popular with his base. but he did them because he thought they were posh for the future of this country -- important for the future of this country. >> let's talk specifically, senator about, some of the issues the 47% gets to the question of dpost dependence. as you referenced, here are a couple of the snapshots of government dependence nationally that have raised some eyebrows and that indeed governor romney has talked b. you talk about food stamps now, nearly 47 million americans on food stamps, up dramatically from four years ago. here's a broader picture from the "wall street journal" and the census bureau. if you go back to the early '80s and upwards, 49% now receiving some kind of government benefit. is government dependence at a place where it's out of control? >> well, david, think where we are is that too many people have to rely on food stamps or unemployment benefits, instead of a good job. that's what this comes down to. to think that so many people have left the workforce when you look at the august report where every job added, four people have left. with over 43 straight months of over 8% unemployment. let's not forget the president and the democrats had two years, what did they do? they passed health care reform where the president represented that premiums would go down, they've gone up. this week we've got a report from cbo that six million middle class americans will get hit by the tax penalties in the president's health care reform. so the policies that he pushed when they were in charge. did not address the problems and that's why we need new leadership of making sure that we get people working and again. someone who has the private-sector experience to turn the economy around. >> i want to agree with some of what the senator has said about the fact that more people on food stamps, ba because we're in a terrible economy and more people need a way forward. i would submit that most of those people, if not all, want a job and we have to be about strengthening this economy. i think adding some $4.6 million private-sector jobs in the last two years as the president has, more in that time than george w. bush added in eight years, is a definite and indeed a profound example of the progress that we're making. and the policies that are on offer, by governor romney are policies that have shown themselves to fail. so the notion of benefitting the very fortunate, exclusively and letting it trickle down to everybody else, is something that has been shown to fail in the past. we should not go back. >> senator, a bigger question, partly a political question. i know you're a supporter of governor romney's campaigning forum in new hampshire. but here's a reality. he offered policy analysis on 47% of this country, including a lot of republican voters, people who receive entitlements through social security and medicare that they paid into. he's talking about this group of people, will not take personal responsibility. it betrayed a lack of understanding of how the government works, how america works. the american work ethic. do you think he needs to go beyond saying this was inelegant. so saying he was flat wrong? >> i have to say this, david, i absolutely disagree with your analysis of this. i campaigned with him, i knows he cares about every single american in this country and that he has a vision, unlike this president, where we are today. we're declining. we're need to come out of this to think about where we are with this president has more months of over 8% unemployment than the last 11 presidents combined. this, you think about governor romney. wants opportunity. wants upward mobility. wants people to have the good-paying job. and that is what his whole campaign is about. by the way, if you think about the policies of the last two years, all they brought us is more unemployment. what we need is people to have a good-paying job. i hear from small business every day, the right tax regulatory policies, these are mom-and-pop businesses that feel burdened by this administration. >> part of it he was talking about 47% of american who is pay no federal income tax and too dependant on the government -- his words -- to do everything for them. housing, food, et cetera, you're not being responsible to that point. on the tax question i pose this question in the senate, in the virginia senate debate between tim cain and george allen. they were talking about whether there should be a minimum federal income tax. this is how tim kane answered the question. >> do you believe everyone in virginia should pay something in federal incox tax. >> would you be open to that, governor? >> maybe, the first i'm hearing about it. should everybody have skin in the game? >> well, that's where i was going. i think we go to this question of taxes, tax cuts, tax increases and so forth. too fast. we, it seems to me the first question ought to be, what is it we want government to do and not do? what's the sensible way and fair way to pay for that? i really believe in this notion, just as president does, of common as you and common destiny. that we all have stake in educating our kids. we all have a stake in assuring that this country is well defended. we all have a stake in investing in the infrastructure that creates a platform for economic growth and opportunity. we all have a stake in the american dream. we used to come together around that the kind of sharp, poisonous political discourse that characterizes so much of what goes on in the congress, i mean no disrespect, senator, personal disrespect in, no disrespect at all in fact, not just personal in saying that. you think that the country is hungry for a kind of a conviction-based leadership. frankly the kind of leadership -- >> the irony of this of course, the president ran as someone who z going to unite people. but everything when you listen to the way that he's trying to divide us. you know whether it's rich versus poor, have's versus have-not's. and wanting to bring people together. blaming republicans, all the problems on other areas 0 other people. think about the comment this week about you can't change washington from the inside. he had two years in charge. i agree with the governor, we do need leadership that unites and we do need leadership of someone who is thinking about making sure that we have those opportunities so that we're not in a position where 47% -- >> you're not blaming president for pitting classes against each other. after governor romney said 47% of the country are freeloaders who won't take personal responsibility. >> just to hear what the governor is saying here, i certainly respect what essaying but if you look at what the president has said and what he's done. of where we are. his leadership on his policies have failed and he has not been the uniting force that we need to get things done. >> on one point, the issue of the president's record, it has to do with high unemployment. and something that caught our eye this week as we were looking, this comment from the chairman of the congress at black caucus, manuel cleaver, congressman from missouri spoke on monday. this is what he wrote. i'm supposed to say he doesn't get a pass but i'm not going to say 2456789 look as the chair of the black caucus, i've got to tell you we're always hesitant to criticize the president. with 14% black unemployment. if we had a white president, we would be marching around the white house. pretty stinging criticism from the chairman of the black caucus. >> i respect the chairman of the black caucus and the fact that there is 14%, if that's the right number, unemployment among black people. among young people, the unemployment rate is higher than the national average as well. nobody is prepared to declare victory. we've had the worst economic environment in a generation or two. since the great depression and that was caused by the way, by some of the very policies that governor romney is urging on the country today. this president has turned that around. this president has shown that he's able to swim against the current and make some change. and so we see more people with health care in this country than ever before. more people, more private-sector jobs in the last two years than the previous eight. we've seen the automobile industry saved. we've seen the financial industry saved. we've seen the country brought back from the brink of depression. are we done? of course not, of course not. but we're certainly on a about thor course and pointed in the right direction. >> david, i guess what i heard was, that this president needs more time. but where we are, if you think about it, this is the worst economic recovery since world war ii and it's been an anemic recovery. when they had full charge of the congress, they pushed forward a health care bill where people are paying more for premiums. people are going to be hit, middle class hit with the tax penalty. where the regulatory climate for this country, small businesses, they're not going to create the job and the governor has a plan to make sure that we simplify lower rates. make it a better tax climate for everyone, for everyone and make sure that we get people to work. a regulatory climate where small businesses want to thrive and grow. it's been the opposite as the president, i would say he tried, but his policies failed. >> let me end on one issue that's important to us as nbc news, that's the issue of education, a big summit we're beginning, "education nation" today. >> thank you for doing that. >> it's important, we certainly are committed to it part of that is a conversation with president obama, that "the today show's" savannah guthrie conducted. i want to play a portion of that about where the political debate is now. >> mitt romney said that president obama has chosen his side in this fight. that you sided with the unions. and another time last spring, he said he can't talk of reform while indulging in groups that block it. >> well, you know, i think governor romney and a numb of folks try to politicize the issue and do a lot of teacher-bashing. when i meet teachers all across the country, they're so devoted, so dedicated to their kids. and what we've tried to do is actually break through this left-right conservative-liberal gridlock and that's what my key reform has been all about. a race to the top. >> more of that education nation interview with president obama tuesday and wednesday on the "today show." plus a live conversation with governor romney at education nation, that summit on tuesday. quickly from both of you. governor, have we moved beyond this pro union anti-union debate? >> we better, in massachusetts our students are number one in the nation in student achievement and have been for each of the last now years. we have the most unionized education system, i think in the country. the unions are intent at the table with us on reform for more than a decade. we moved a bill a couple of years ago to try to close the achievement gap and they were right there with us. >> senator? >> i would ask mayor emmanuel where we are right now on the unions this is clearly an important issue on the chicago strike and obviously governor romney believes kids first, unions last. i think where condoleezza rice hit it at our convention, that giving parents, empowering parents with school choice, with under-performing schools, minority students, poor students, that's the civil rights issue of this tile and i think unfortunately in the areas of d.c. opportunity scholarship turned his back on it. that's where we need to go and governor romney supports that. >> a note to our viewers, a question that comes up a lot. we have longstanding invitation for president obama to appear on this program and share his views about this important campaign and we hope he will choose to do so before this election. if you missed mitt romney's interview a few weeks ago, see it on nbcnews.com. coming up, can mitt romney turn the campaign around? 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[ male announcer ] visine® with hydroblend. coming up, what the new polls in the battleground states tell us about the state of the race, chuck todd starts off our round table right after this break. here tonight's top story. mitt romney on friday released his 2011 tax returns which showed he paid a 14% tax rate. just a little less than what restaurants add on for parties of six or more. the 14% tax rate romney paid is less than the 20% paid by the average american. how did he pay such a low rate? he claimed 47% of americans as dependants. >> we're back, that was "saturday night live" having some fun with mitt romney and the tax debate. we'll get into it with the round table. joining us, joe scarborough. and babe buchanan, democratic strategist, dee dee myers, "new york times" columnist, david brooks and the democratic mayor of atlanta, kaseem reed. first you saw him lurking in the background of dee dee myers shot, our political director chuck todd is here with new polls in the battleground states. when team romney said the head-to-head matchup nationally is tight, that's not the full story, chuck? >> it isn't. look at the battleground polls, this is everything that's coming out in the last week in different states. i want to highlight a couple here. look at michigan, 14-point gap for the president, obviously the republican was like to try to put michigan in play. it doesn't look like it's the case. look at iowa, i want to highlight that, iowa has been a toss-up state. something in the middle of the battleground, we've decided it's no longer in the battleground, the eight-point lead you now put it in president obama's column. so he sits there 243. ha does that mean? it means he's just one state away from 270. if you just give him florida, he sits at 272. but if you look at virginia and ohio, two states the president had, seven-point leads, and you give him those two, excuse me here -- and it puts him at 274. so he's now we're sitting there we've shrunk the battleground, we've put the president obviously sitting there with a top lead. what's it all done? because of one thing and that's because of economic optimism. i want to show something from our last nbc/"wall street journal," 42% of have optimistic views that the economy is going to get better in the next three months. >> and the narrative. here's the "detroit free press," about the tape recording about the 47%. the headline, romney's 47% remark, will it sink the campaign? joe scarborough, how much trouble is the romney campaign in this morning and what change it is? >> they're in a lot of trouble this morning but thank god that the election is about 47 days off. they are tied in the nal polls and we republicans believe we conservatives still believe that a rising tide lifts all boats. we've got four debates coming up. i personally think romney is a very calculating, data-driven guy. you tell him you got 90 seconds to aps a question on libya. he's going to have a good answer. he's going to do well in the deets baits. i think ryan is going to do well in the debates. we've got a long way to go. it's not over. that said, the trajectory of the campaign has to change. this has been a horrific week for him even the romney people behind the scenes will tell you. the libya press conference was a nightmare for him, even worse than the 47% video. they've got to right the ship. if they do, long way to go. >> the romney campaign in fact, the candidate himself telling "60 minutes" tonight there's no need for a turn-around in this campaign. david brooks, you wrote a stinging column that got a lot of attention, the headline is "thurston howell" referring to "gilligan's island." your comment about the 47%. the comment suggests that he doesn't know much about the country inhabits who are these freeload sners the iraq war veteran who goes to the v.a., the stoo unt going to get a loan for college. the retiree on social security or medicare. i think he's a kind, decent man who pretends to be something he's not. he's running a depressingly inept presidential campaign. your entitlement reform ideas are great. but when will the incompetence stop? >> i'm sitting there while he's talking, can't fake it. if you don't have the passion for those type of guns, you can't write tom clancy novels, mitt romney does not have a passion for the kind of stuff he's talking about. he's a problem-solver. he's a nonideological person running in an extremely ideological age. he's faking it. he should be a power-point guy, saying i'm making a sales pitch to the country. you don't have to love me. i would do a more wonky and detailed thing than he's done so far. >> do you have to look at the 47% comment, that went beyond political analysis and said it was political analysis, not a governing philosophy. this was inelegant. do you have to somehow make amends in way he's not done yet? >> you know, the press is not going to change and of course our opponents aren't. want to mischaracterize what he said. what he's say something the 47% is going to be voting. the solid base of the president. it included in those people, are people i'm going to have a hard time reaching. you know there's people who dependant on government. so who even feel they're owed something by government. many of them don't pay income tax. my message doesn't work for them. that's all he was saying. he he never said he didn't care about them. >> he said i don't have to worry about them. >> that's a direct quote. >> in general election. can't worry about them, he has to worry about the 6%. sure, i would like to take off the cream on the 47, one poll has the president down to 46. but his focus in the general election is the 6% he can get. that he has a terrific chance of getting and he will fight for them. as president he will fight for those who are dependant on government. this president has given us a terrible record. americans can't get off their dependency and it's longer and longer. more difficult. there's no jobs to get them out what mitt romney offers to those americans is way, a ladder to climb out of that mess. opportunity and jobs again. >> is that how you see his comments this week, the 47%? >> i don't think is a question of mischaracterization. all you have to do is listen to the whole piece. his comments were terrible. he implied 47% of the people are basically freeloaders, that's what he implied. it was offensive. this isn't a case of mischaracterization. what it shows is that republicans have a candidate that's defective and it shouldn't be surprising to them. he's made these mistakes repeatedly. the best analysis of this election this year that i've heard was from a republican friend that i was having dinner with. he said that this guy is defective. he said he's like being a bad nascar driver on a rich team. he said no matter how good the car is, no matter how bad the pit crew is, the driver has to drive the car. this guy puts it on the wall every single time. wait a minute, man, i let you speak. he puts it on the wall when he says let gm go bankrupt. he puts it on the wall when he says let 47% of the people i don't have to concern myself with. he puts it on the wall when he travels across the east, goes to the uk, offends one of our strongest allies. he repeatedly puts ton the wall and makes mistakes and that's why we're where we are, 44 days out. >> dee dee, the political prism through which to look at this is what is his biggest negative he has to deal with does he connect with average voters. >> does he have any understanding at all life outside the bubble that he's lived in? there's no point in his life. with the possible exception with his one admission to paris where he's gotten himself outside of his comfort zone -- >> going to paris? the suburbs of paris? >> i'm not saying he likes the french. don't get me wrong. but at every turn of his life. he's been generous, it's always within the context of a very limited universe. so he has no feel for what real people are going through. when those two engage -- in action -- every turn of this campaign when he has spoken. how does he enjoy sport? he likes to hang out with the team owners. you know when he travels around, he's most comfortable -- >> he calls sports -- sport. >> one point. we have real -- fundraisers, that's where he goes off script and talks more expansively about what his plans are. >> look at people he's helped, he's helped alcoholic mormons, illegal immigrants. he's nursed kids who are dying. he gave $4 million to charity in one year. if you look at his private life. all through his life. he's given a lot of money. if you -- >> we know in 2011 he -- >> he has the perfect life story for compassionate conservative campaign because he's lived that life. and what's the problem is, he's running a different campaign. george bush, ronald reagan, jack kemp, they looked to people in the community colleges and said okay, they're maybe on food stamps, but taking two buses, working two jobs and -- >> that's the problem with the 47%. i really don't think that's going to change a vote. i really don't. i do believe, though, that it is deflated conservatives at "the wall street journal." conservatives like david, consertives like myself, conservatives on talk radio. we believe in smaller government because we believe, like jack kemp, believed, like ronald reagan believed, like margaret thatcher believed, that's how you help the most people. i will say still without apology, i believe a rising tide lifts all boats. i believe you unshackle individuals and they can prosper in this country, what's so disturbing about that video -- is like you said, david, mitt romney doesn't get it, he doesn't believe it. and that's what comes. margaret thatcher, shop keeper's daughter would have never said that in a million years. >> never. and you know this is like 4-1, i should be allowed to speak for each one of these people here. >> wait, wait -- >> you don't like the margaret thatcher fan or a ronald reagan fan? >> let me make a point. >> i'm for a small government conservative. >> on this set you appear to be one of the four. >> i'm also with "the wall street journal" editorial page. i'm with every conservative i'm with rush, i'm with you name the conservative, you have my concern. so please don't characterize me as being one of these four. >> i love them all. >> first of all you know to characterize the personal life of mitt romney as dee dee has, is to show that she does not know the man. she does 23409 know what he has done. because this is a man who has spent a life in serving others, that is the basis of what he believes and he has done it. number two, number two, we have, we have, we are in perilous times in this country. we are looking at financial ruin. we are looking at dependency. we're a nation of people dependant on their government. and that is what barack obama gives us, he promises that in four more years. this election will decide if we take that path or with mitt romney we take a pap where we allow those, those who are in trouble. those relying on food stamps. this is just, these are political talking points more than being responsive to some of the political reality we can show it on the screen. the unfavorable rating of mitt romney. you understand how campaigns operate. look at his high unfavorable ratings at 50%, the highest of any candidate running in recent memory. this is an image problem that his philosophical statements in this speech in may to fundraisers, only ex-as baits. >> it's because of the exacerbates. >> it's because of the way's been falsely interpreted. >> by joe scarborough? >> i'm sorry, i've got to cut this off. >> david brooks -- >> which side are you on? you are taking this country -- >> the "wall street journal" editorial page. laura ingram, rush limbaugh,ky go on and on -- >> if you want to blame the media for mitt romney's inept campaign, peggy noonan said it best this is a nightmare of a campaign. and the most troubling thing is it's not that a lot of us republicans don't think he can win, we do believe he can win. but when he says he has no need to turn this campaign around after a disastrous week, where you see ohio slipping away, wisconsin slipping away? iowa slipping away, michigan slipping away? that's a political concern. not an ideological concern, that's a political concern. >> let me step back for a second. david brooks you're looking at the substantive debate taking place here about the records of two candidates, biographies of two candidates, but also where we are politically in the state of this campaign. if we pull back, how do you diagnose where he goes next? where he tries to go next? >> he has to look at what the president's weakness is. he's never going to win a popularity contest. the president's weakness is that he has no second-term agenda. he put out a great album in 2008. he doesn't have an agenda now. because he's intellectually exhausted. i think you have to say, okay, here's my agenda. you have to go extremely wonky. you know something about this campaign, the best political speech of this whole campaign, the bill clinton's, was the wonkiest speech. there's a hunger for that kind of stuff. that should be his heelhouse power point. i'm going to reform four institutions, tax code, entitlements, energy and make the political system work. don't love me, but i will do these four products for you. >> the problem is that you can't run for president saying, i'll tell you later. hasn't told us. >> you need to tell barack obama that. >> i tell you what, what he hasn't told us is how do you take a $5 trillion tax cut in this economy and then spend an additional $1 million to $2 million on defense spending, expand the military by 100,000 troops and pay for it without costing the middle class? >> come on. >> all he says is -- >> what is, all he says is we'll tell you later. >> what is the most significant law barack obama has proposed for a second term? >> for the second term he's been focused on jobs. >> and you say -- >> wait a minute. >> the american jobs act. is a legitimate proposal that is based primarily around infrastructure, which republicans and democrats have traditionally agreed on. if you go to the -- >> what i tell you what. it kept the country from going into a great depression. i'll tell you what, oh yes it did. under your guy, george bush, we lost 3.5 million jobs. >> hold on, hold on. wait a minute. >> i'll go to joe. >> it would be -- [ people talking at the same time ] >> barack obama has produced more net private-sector jobs than george w. bush. if we want to go to the facts and be patriots and put the country first, we can look at the american recovery and reinvestment act. 10% of the $780 billion spent generated 35% of all the jobs. >> what are the pillars of a second term? for president obama? >> well first of all there is no pillar of his second term. he is, you know i use the example in 2008 he was elvis 1957. 2012, he's looking more like elvis in ' 77. he's singing the old hits, doesn't believe it himself. he president didn't bring up the stimulus act. if it was such a great boon for american workers, he would have brought it up. he didn't bring up obama care. he has no plan over the next four years, i agree with david. if mitt romney wants to win, he needs to come forward and tell people -- how he can get them back to work. we can talk about medicare reform, which i believe in. we can talk about reducing the debt. which i fought for for 15 years. but until you tell people how you're requesting to get them back to work, how you're going to help the working class do better, how you're going to help people pay for their children's education, they're not going to listen to you. >> there's no question in the romney campaign, we're bringing out the details as we speak. there's no question there to go to this gentleman's point, what the legacy of barack obama has been, is quite clear. more and more debt placed on american people. millions and millions of people now on food stamps, the only way they can pay for their families. and in embassies under siege. that's what we got from him. going back to the political points this is where the romney campaign is today. we are in a dead heat nationally. the momentum is ours, you see that the president's numbers have come down. mitt romney's numbers are coming up. our polls and other polls out here have the one state after another. the close states swing states as a dead heat. or within the margin of error. so this is -- >> no need for a turn-around. >> we are five weeks out around we and we're are in a dead heat against the president of united states. >> not to interrupt, what's the message? >> the message is a clear one. >> these are the two paths here this is the foundation, the philosophy of the two campaigns. one towards more and more dependant nation. the other towards a people that are self-reliant. where they can be proud of the work they, do the product they produce. >> let me get a break in here. we'll have more of this look forward to the debates. how this, this debate will play out when they go head to head, with our roundtable after this. both worlds. we're back with the roundtable. david, we've been talking about the need for governor romney to win some of the policy debates. you talked about entitlements. paul ryan appeared before the aarp convention talking about medicare. not exactly a great reception. watch. >> the first step to a stronger medicare is to repeal obama care. because it represents the worst of both worlds. >> i had a feeling there would be mixed reaction so let me get into it. >> paul ryan doesn't shrink from a fight. talking about entitlements, he did it there. the promise was he's going to take on medicare and win the fight. does it work? >> the passivity works. every time i get sick of republicans and i hear the aarp and i'm glad i'm not a democrat. the basic formula here, which ryan is laying out is the average medicare recipient over the course of their life pays in about $150,000. they get out, people differ, somewhere between $250 now and $35,000. so the gap is being put on the next generation. that's the essential problem he's trying to lay out. that's elm bedded in his plan. i think it's a pretty good plan. but they're not making the argument for that plan. for reasons which i guess i understand politically. if you're going to embrace ryan, argue for vienna. the democrats are running a false scare campaign. not the one they're running on now. i think it's crucial to, to solve this problem. and they have a plan which unfortunately romney/ryan not talking about. >> let's tip our hat to paul ryan, because you hear that he got booed at aarp. but he went through. the demographics, he went through the numbers, he explained. it was not about ideological. it was about how math. about how medicare was going bankrupt. if the aarp audience wanted to boo him, that's not a paul ryan's people. that's a problem of people who is heads continue to get stuck in the sand. i wish mitt romney would show that courage. maybe he will. >> that's one of the complaints you're hearing from republicans that people, the base looked at the choice of ryan and said okay, great. now the romney campaign is going to take it on. and instead of romney becoming more like ryan, the opposite has happened. you saw ryan in that clip talking about the details and that's not something we're seeing the campaign do on a regular basis. >> this is about more than paul ryan being booed by the aarp. this is about the american people not wanting to privatize medicare after they've been paying into it paul ryan is make all the presentations he wants and lay out the fact. but the president did extend medicare by eight years and folks aren't buying i'm going to take care of people currently on the system, we're going to change it forever for everybody else. >> so -- >> you know we have to do that. >> we have to do it as part of an overall budget deal. a $4 trillion deal. where we put everything on the table. if we want to get a deal, let's get an overall global deal that puts $4 trillion on the table that includes revenue raises. >> paul ryan -- >> $4 trillion is a drop in the bucket. >> before you saw ridiculous. where it's $4 trillion or $6 trillion to get a budget deal we have to have revenue-raising measures. you cannot implement paul ryan's plan while not allowing for any increases -- >> first of all, you know, the governor romney showed enormous courage when he picked paul ryan for just this reason because he's willing to engage that battle. we know we have a president who is just this week said you can't do it. i can't do it. that this, it's you can't change washington from the inside. he has given up. we know on medicare, we have 12 years before we're going to be facing bankruptcy and the president took $716 billion. took it out and put it in obama care. >> that's flat-out not true. >>s did true. >> paul ryan did not, did the same thing. medicare, being moved around. what we will do is the president will put that $716 right back in to medicare. >> when are we going to solve these problems? the president enjoys all of those perks of the office. when is he going to do heavy lifting? we have medicare in serious trouble. we have a nation heading to bankruptcy and what's he say? i can't do it. >> can i -- hold on. >> in two years. >> the mayor just laid out the solution. wooer going to have a deal at some point. probably after some sort of national fiscal crisis that republicans are going to raise revenue. the doctors are going to agree to restructure medicare. they're probably not going to do it before a big national bankruptcy, because it's politically hard. we'll solve it after a big national crisis. >> we'll have a big national debate. dee dee you've been through this with a candidate before. look at this from politico in terms of the anticipation of these debates. the nerms quite high. 83% saying they plan to wind chill all or some. is there too much being built into these debates in terms of potential game-changers? >> people look at the history of debates, they don't change the dynamic of the race, but mitt romney is taking it seriously, it's possibly his last opportunity to make a big impression so he's sort of preparing for this months ago. he spent a lot of time as well he should. he has proven himself to be a good debater. he's a fact and figures guy, he practices and works very hard. he won 16 of the 20 debates as the obama campaign will tell you in their effort to lower expectations in the republican primary. and challengers tend to do well by being on stage with the incumbent, they look presidential. >> can romney still win? >> of course he can still win. we've got four debates left. 45 days left. dee dee knows better than anybody else. the old saying, harrod mcmillan who said in politics a week is a lifetime. give anybody 40, 45 days and they can change everything. the biggest concern is the attitude in mitt romney's head right now. when he says, that they don't need to turn the campaign around, when you have stuart, stevens and others saying full steam ahead, that's a serious problem. if they change the trajectory and start getting specific like bay said they were going to, he can win. >> on the debates, this is what's e. we're going to be able to challenge th record. to make his start to defending this lousy record to explain why he is unable to create jobs and give up things to americans, let him defend one in six americans in importanty. one in certain americans in food stamps. that's a debate we welcome. something the media -- >> this is getting serious. can we have a feel-good moment? >> we got to tip a cap quite literally to the playoff-bound nationals, the washington nationals, the first time that washington has had a playoff team since 1933 when i was a little boy. they've been so great to follow. fdr was president when they were playing the giants in the world series that year. he said i'll have sit on both sides to keep it even. washington, going all the way. thank you all, great discussion, before we go, a programming note, can you watch presspass, conversation on our blog. the crisis facing american's young people and their efforts for the boys and girls clubs of america at nbcmeetthepress.com. now from the maker of splenda sweeteners, discover nectresse. the only 100% natural, no-calorie sweetener made from the goodness of fruit. the rich, sweet taste of sugar. nothing artificial. ♪ it's all that sweet ever needs to be. new nectresse. sweetness naturally.
hospital. she, the president and mitt romney condemned the attacks strongly. >> this is an attack that should shock the conscience of people of all faiths around the world. this was an attack by a small and savage group, not the people or government of libya. but let me be clear. there is no justification for this. none. violence like this is no way to honor religion or faith. >> the world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutdal acts. these four americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. we will not waiver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act and make no mistake. justice will be done. >> this attack on american individuals and embassies is outrageous. it's disgusting. it breaks the hearts of all of us. we cannot hesitate to use our influence in the region to support those who share our values and our interests. >> now, all of this has sparked a political firestorm between the two campaigns. we'll have more on that later on in the show and talking now, 200 additional marines specializing in security on the way to the u.s. embassy in tripoli. military is considering sending similar troops to other embassies across the region and the u.s. embassy in afghanistan is asking afghan officials for help maintaining calm over the video. here at home, flags of the u.s. capitol are now at half staff in honor of chris stevens. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel just filed this report for us. >> reporter: as details emerged on the two attacks on u.s. diplomatic facilities it's clear the ones in cairo certainly a more spontaneous feeling. here demonstrators rose up. they were agitated, infuriated that an internet video posted online. even though it's posted sometime ago ridiculing islam and the prophet muhammad. those demonstrators scaled the wall at the u.s. embassy, pulled down the flag and didn't hurt anybody inside. in benghazi, the less like that it seems. it was a commando-style raid in benghazi where militants may have been angry about the same video but clearly moved in with a military style tactic. they had r the gs, heavy ma svein machine guns. it was two waves. that's not the spontaneous mob activity like we saw here in cairo. that's the kind of thing in benghazi carried out by a militant group, a terrorist group, by al qaeda potentially. and u.s. officials are looking in to that right now. also, wondering was it just a coincidence that the u.s. ambassador who's based in tripoli happened to be in benghazi at the very time of the attack? so, a lot of questions but it's clear now that these were two very different incidents. spontaneous uprising that resulted in no casualties here in cairo and a guerrilla assault in benghazi that killed the u.s. ambassador. all right. here with us now is former u.s. ambassador mark ginsburg. mark, i want to start with the response yesterday from the u.s. embassy in cairo. what the statement the embassy put out taken heat here politically in the u.s. and caused controversy. the embassy of the united states of cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided vinls to hurt the rely jougs feelings of muslims as we condemn efforts to hurt all believers. before the attacks had begun and american fatalities. it seems to me like a reasonable statement of people trying to keep the peace and prevent attack on the embassy. do you think there was anything out of line about this statement or do you think this was a reasonable thing for an embassy in cairo to be doing? >> this was an absolutely reasonable thing for the embassy in cairo to be doing. politics in the united states notwithstanding. i would have issued or had authorized my public affairs staff to issue a similar statement for what essentially was a demonstration and try to calm things without knowledge, of course, how this violence was going to break out next door in libya. listen, i can't put myself in the shoes of the ambassador of egypt. i don't know what exactly she knew or didn't know at the time when the statement was issued. the fact of the matter is there is obviously question over whether it was cleared with washington at the state department but the fact of the matter is at the time it was a reasonable statement. >> ambassador, what do you make of the news that egyptian police abandoned the posts and allowed the mob to do what they wanted to do there? does it appear it's sanctioned on a higher level? >> i'm deeply concerned of the replication of president morsi's willingness to play politics with the united states and other foreign governments while he tries to play his own game of politics with the muslim brotherhood and as well as with the extremist allies of his. just a few months ago, a mob attacked the israeli ambassador in cairo and required president obama to intervene with mr. morsi directly. the fact is the united states embassy knew that there were some demonstration that was going to be likely around the embassy. the fact that the police were somehow ordered to vacate the premises shall i say and i'll say this as politely as i can. was patently unacceptable on the part of the morsi government and sanctioned by the united states. >> ambassador ginsburg, in your statement that it was a realistic response or a reasonable response on the part of the embassy in cairo, i'm wondering, get your take why you think the obama administration then walked it back and said this was not the shared belief of the president. >> well, i frankly, think that, clearly, events started getting out of control of what was supposed to be a passive statement on the part of perhaps the public affairs office of the u.s. embassy. you have to understand the embassy in egypt is huge. there's all sorts of divisions and very likely that the statement came out of a staffer at the embassy. >> right. >> without it being cleared. we don't know that. the fact of the matter is that clearly this violence escalated. the situation in egypt began demonstrating that the morsi government was playing games with the united states on this. and so, rightfully so, the white house had to step in and basically take everything in to account and realize that the embassy statement needed to be put in to broadest context. >> all right. just real quick, we have word now that the egyptian government that fjp called for more nationwide protests on friday. we also know that the u.s. is considering sending additional troops to cairo. is it realistic at all that tensions are going to sort of calm down with these two forces set to possibly collide on friday? >> well, i don't know why mr. morsi had to call for demonstrations on the part of the muslim brotherhood on friday after prayers. that's, frankly, unacceptable. look. there's very little leverage over a man determined to use the united states as a boogieman for the interests inside egypt. he's dependent on american foreign assistance and the willingness of the united states taxpayer proto provide debt relief. there's no reason why the obama administration or the united states has to play his game. if he's going to play games with the safety of the diplomats in cairo he doesn't deserve to have us running over there and offering him money under these circumstances. we have to basically send a strong signal to a new president that while he may be the new man in town, the new game doesn't have to be played under his rules. >> ambassador ginsberg, if we could look at the region broadly, a vexing question facing the united states right now is what's in the best interest of the u.s.? a sort of friendly cooperative dictator, though they may be brutally repressive to the people or a messy, uncertain democracy like in egypt and libya right now. >> the genie's out of the bottle in the middle east. the fact of the matter is every one of the countries going through a transition and it's going to take many acts to follow before we know what's going to happen, whether it's in egypt, syria, saudi arabia or iran. the problem is right now the united states standing in the region has deteriorated rapidly in the last couple of years under president obama. since his cairo speech. most unfortunate. i'm the last person to want to see that. i think the president had the best of intentions to try to rebuild ties with the muslim world but the high expectations of what to deliver versus the changes taking place have created a circumstance where there's great disappointment with the united states, whether it's by syrians or by egyptians and others and what we're dealing with. we cannot put the genie back in the bottle. >> ambassador, could you elaborate more? what do you think caused that understood mining? >> the fact we haven't been able to forge a peace between israel and the palestinians, the fact that when the president went to cairo he committed the united states to help develop more support of democratic institutions, the president was seen as siding with president mubarak and not with the revolution in egypt, in particular. the fact is that while we stood tall in libya, what happened in libya stayed in libya. didn't basically permeate throughout the region and so there's this lateen residual resentme resentment. i run the largest arab satellite production company in the united states and on the ground all the time. you can feel it that this residual resentment percolating again against the united states and i wish we could do more and we have to do more to try to stop it. >> ambassador, please stay with us as we talked about briefly there are big 2012 political implications to this. mitt romney giving a glimpse of the take on middle east foreign policy. that conversation is coming up. but next, the white house, israel and iran. lots to get to for wednesday, september 12th. woman 1: this isn't just another election. we're voting for... the future of our medicare and social security. man 1: i want facts. straight talk. tell me your plan... and what it means for me. woman 2: i'm tired of the negative ads and political spin. that won't help me decide. man 2: i earned my medicare and social security. and i deserve some answers. anncr: where do the candidates stand on issues that... affect seniors today and in the future? 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walks like a duck. gawking like a duck. you have to run away from admitting this is a duck. this is clearly where thedy vur intelligence divergence. is there an issue of israel wanted a firm line if the line is crossed? >> well, there's no doubt that israel is convinced that most israeli military officials will say this. that they don't believe that unilaterally israel can complete the job of dealing with the consequences of an attack by iran or hezbollah on israel. as you hear they believe that until iran actually produces a nuclear weapon why rush to judgment at this point in time until sanctions work? >> all right. ambassador marc ginsberg and mike vick ra, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. i want to bring back to the table continued sniping between the president and the prime minister netanyahu. steve, what do you think is going on here? >> the dynamic though between netanyahu and barack, there's an internal politics sub text to this because we can talk about this is what israel wants and concern is. opinion in israel is not nearly monolithic as we're led to believe here and the dynamic you have right now is this. benjamin netanyahu's political standing in israel is not that strong right now. part of this has to do with the economy. they have economic problems over there and part of his very hawkish tone toward iran is meeting increasing skepticism in israel and one political figure in israel who sort of has the stature to take on netanyahu next year in the elections, it's barack. he was a prime minister from 1999 to 2001. he's now technically in the government but he's as the defense minister and this is the guy who could take him on so you have several several times in the past few months and netanyahu making noise and really gone out on a limb here making it clear without saying it that mitt romney is the kand did it and wants mitt romney out and barack is making that clear to israelis so you have a situation here and a lot of egg on netanyahu's face politically in israel and that could roll in to the elections next year. >> interesting how the u.s. political elections and israeli political elections coming together in an uncomfortable way. the one thing that i would point out is below the sort of superficial sniping going on at the top level there's continuing cooperation, great cooperation under president obama. we have had hundreds of millions spent to develop the iron dome missile defense system. we have had the deepest military cooperation that we've seen and we have had also barack saying this is the greatest cooperation that we have seen so below the frosty personal relationship, they seem to be able to continue to work together and accomplish shared goals. >> i just want to move us forward a little bit as the president said nothing justified what happened. i think everybody agrees with that but i see two visions of america within this. one, sort of shown in an ambassador stooeevens e-mail in july. he's talking about being back there again. people smile and are much more open with foreigners. enjoying unusual popularity. let's hope it lasts. he is like many americans seeing the humanity of the people and seeing hope for the region and then there's people like terry jones and whatever the name of the director of the film is, a name online and some people saying that the pseudonym and islam is a cancer and making the film where muhammad is portrayed as an aprooufr of child sex abuse and about terry jones, we live in an age where speech acts can escape confinement and understanding how easily to prove to himself his contention that islamic religion is violent and krups, regularly yells fire in crowded theaters and that's what this little film does which kind of a homemade little thing is yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. look. islam is not our enemy. a small part of islam is our enemy. but when we demonize the entire religion and deal in islamophobia we enflame the problem that existed for decades. all right. we have talked about news and the geo political implications. next, taking on the politics. what it all means for the 2012 race. mom: ready to go to work? 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[ all ] i'm with scottrade. the president takes responsibility not just for the words that come from his mouth but also for the words that come from his ambassadors, for his administration, from his embassies, from his state department. they clearly, they clearly sent mixed messages to the world and the statement that came from the administration and the embassy is the administration. >> they asked for it. there it was. today, mitt romney refusing to back down. there's a lot of back and forth of who said what and when. here's the breakdown as we best know it. tuesday morning the u.s. embassy in cairo issues a statement denouncing that anti-islamic amateur video and reads in part we condemn the continuing efforts of misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of muslims. a tweet around the same time reaffirms the earlier statement. at 10:10 p.m., the campaign sends out an embargoed statement calling the obama administration response, quote, disgraceful for not first condemning the attacks but sympathizing with those who waged the attack. politico reports the white house is distancing itself from the cairo embassy statement saying no one in washington approved it. 10:26, the embargo on the romney statement is lifted early and can be reported. right after midnight, the obama campaign formally responds to romney saying it's shocked. fast forward and you get the duelling speeches this morning. romney slamming the president for that embassy statement. president obama did not mention the political back and forth at all. so why does this tick-tock matter? well, here's my take. first, i want to put up a tweet from our friend chuck todd and i think really set the scene appropriately earlier this morning saying let's not lose sight of a larger concern for morn foreign policy. the silence of the egyptian government. more serious development than mitt. even though the egyptian government saying something, still, i think that's right. that said let's talk about the politics for a minute. i just want to start out. two points. one, i understand where mitt was coming from. he had had his back to the wall for a week foreign policy. not mentioning afghanistan. not having experience on the ticket. i think he was waiting for an opportunity to come up, pounce, call in to question obama's leadership on foreign policy and there are plenty of moments past to do that. last night i don't think was the right one. hindsight is 20/20 but if i had been advising him, i would have told him wait until the morning. come out condemning the attacks. ask why there wasn't enough coordination between cairo and washington. and then ask what obama means exactly when he says justice will be done. it's a moving forward approach that has all the facts, no room for embarrassment later and i think asks some very reasonable questions to make him look smart and not impetuous. >> and in control. >> disciplined. >> right. >> you laid out a perfectly good strategy that the romney campaign should have followed. >> should hire you. >> call me maybe. >> a trade for them is -- too complicated. >> right. >> her's the problem for romney. as i see it. he's already been losing on the foreign policy question, losing to obama and dlats on the question of who do you trust with foreign policy? this may become in part a foreign policy election. the idea is maybe the moment to erase the advantage of barack obama had. what i'm remembering of the noise and the criticism from the media for this statement last night today, the risk is something akin to what happened to john mccain. i'm thinking of september 2008 and the week that wall street melted down. >> ah, yes. >> jahmeshia started to fall behind in the race an saw a moment to sort of flash the maverick credentials, show what a leader he was and said i'll suspend my campaign. >> terrible decision. >> go there and fix the crisis. >> barack obama meanwhile handled it cooley and said i can walk and chew gum at the same time. i'm going to be a senator and go to washington and deal with this. the country saw a lot more calm, a lot more status and a lot more mo ma which you arty in barack obama in that moment and i think if you look at the grief that mitt romney's taking from this statement right now and again i think all justifiable, a similar effect on foreign policy and what comes away is mitt romney's response is ready, fire aim. >> if you look at the graph there, national head to head, obama-mccain, that point where they cross and obama takes the lead and never looks back is september 15th, the day that lehman brothers filed chapter 11. >> this week. >> yeah. which happens to be this week, exactly. so the timing of it is exactly the same. you know, i think there's -- i don't want to make too much of it because the financial crisis so directly impacted every american and was so terrifying i think it does have a bigger impact but in terms of -- and lasted for the rest of the campaign. >> yeah. >> but in 2008, that was the big question for barack obama then candidate obama. who are you going to be ready to take that call at 3:00 a.m.? are you going to be ready and mature and able to handle those decisions and in that moment he proved he was the guy to take that call at 3:00 a.m. i think there's similar questions right now about mitt romney, particularly on foreign policy. are you really ready to be the face of the united states on the national stage? and this was both an opportunity and a perilous moment for the romney campaign and i think they ended up creating a massive problem for them whereas if they had followed the strategy you outlined it could have been an opportunity for them. >> seems the afghanistan mistake or mission or whatever you want to call it is in his house. talking trash on the court, you can't make that three pointer and trying to make it and extra tense and pushing. he's, yeah, yipping, pushing. but this is part of post truth campaigning which is what we're in this season. accusing obama of doing things that he's actually not doing and it's this sort of thing that you pointed out with the media where we just make an assessment. it's not true. people read the headline. they don't read the correction. you don't see that's not true. you have to be in the game to dig deeper and go there's not gutting the requirements from work requirements of welfare and no movement to take the money off and obama didn't make the statement. somebody else made the statement an tries to feed in to the narratives, old knave tirs of obama as an american apologist. the foolishness of romney's reaction is glaring and i wish i could remember who wrote this. >> just don't ask me the headline. >> steve korniaki wrote this. >> i think he needs to stick to policy instead of procedure. obama's always going to win. he's the president. stick to criticizing policy. coming up, let's not forget it's not just about the white house. congress holds a lot of power with foreign policy future. up next, the key senate races to shift control in the capitol. humans -- even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why, at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replacement and accident forgiveness if you qualify. see what else comes standard at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? 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>> well, exactly. i think if you asked democrats a year ago, they would say it would have been over by labor day. they underestimated scott brown's appeal to massachusetts voters and underestimated elizabeth warren's, you know, performance as a first-time candidate. she has made some rookie errors. think eve been hard to fix. and then there have been a lot of questions about the tone of her ads. so i think this is a very competitive race. in fact, in the last few polls scott brown is running ahead. there is a path to victory for him here. >> all right. jennifer, my home state of virginia, we have two heavyweights, tim kaine versus george allen. what's going on down there in virginia? >> this is the race i love to hate because it's been a race that's been so close since the day it started very early in 2011. you have two very qualified candidates. you have a very competitive presidential race. this is the one race in the country as a presidential race goes in virginia, so does the senate race an it's going to be for the campaigns about getting every single one of the voters out. >> jennifer, go to the show-me state, the king of junk science is still in the race, todd akin is hanging on. how's he still in the race? >> delusioned? i think probably is the answer to that. look. he is still in the race and a poll out today showing it fairly close. here's the reality. the reality is about money. he has bolstered raising $400,000 and the mccaskill campaign banked about $5 million in television for the fall. i don't know how he competes with that. >> all right. let's go to linda mcmahon in connecticut. there's a piece of northeast republicans show signs of life. talking about linda mcmahon's three-point lead so worrisome to democrats they were shuttling the candidate around charlotte in the dnc to beg for cash. obama had connecticut by 23 points in 2008. are we really going to see a republican in connecticut in 2012? >> look. it's possible. i think that, one, this is one of the biggest surprises of the cycle, how competitive the race is and we think back to the 2010 race and mcmahon ran and we need to realize that chris murphy while a solid candidate is not dick blumenthal. he doesn't have a decade or more of credibility with voters. he's not well-known outside his district. connecticut is a very, very expensive state. mcmahon has run a much better campaign. she put murphy on the defensive early and that's helped her and i would note that in polling obama's not doing nearly as well this time around as he did in 2008. >> right. >> so we talk about connecticut. if mcmahon wins that race that's an upset for republicans and one not on the radar at the start of the cycle. do you see on the democratic side a seat out there and democrats pull a surprise in november we're not talking about right now? >> well, i mean, i think that my problem is, you know, if it's a real surprise i wouldn't know what it is. right? i spent so much time with the races that i think that there are a couple of worth looking at. one is indiana. another solidly red state where the democrat joe don nelly keeping pace with republican richard murdoch and the other that may turn in to a race is possibly in arizona where the democrat carmona running against congressman flake and the polling is a close race but honestly that race has only just begun. >> jennifer, thanks for joining us. we appreciate it. up next, the candidates live and die by every percentage point. how much can we trust polls these days? we have new research to have you whying looing at the numbers differently this fall. with the spark cash card from capital one, olaf's pizza palace gets the most rewards of any small business credit card! pizza!!!!! 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>> trying a number of different tactics. one of them is something that's been more prominent is calling cell phones. people like you said we're up to now a third of adult americans don't have a home phone, let alone answer it, and pew's finding that, a, people are harder to reach and, b, people are less likely to participate if you reach them. some people are experimenting with internet polling and whether you make that representative of the overall population and really stuck in the middle of phone polling's out of date and internet polling isn't perfected yet and in a weird middle ground where we're not sure what the future holds and people aren't sure what we're going to be doing next. >> there's a reason book of "power of habit" talking about target one of many firms knows what you're going to do before you do it. they talked about knowing people, women are breg nant before they tell the people around them. based on the things they buy. is there a way you think in the future of looking at people and saying, like, this is what you like and where you live and what you buy, this is what you're all about. we know who you vote for before you even tell us? >> that may be a few years away. i think, though, with the way the industry's moving is that people in whether it's 2016 or 2020 are surveyed the way they want to be surveyed and whether that's over the internet or over their smartphones or over something we don't know of yet. the iphone 12, that remains to be seen. >> you know, steve, i don't have a home line. i will not answer my cell phone if i don't recognize the number. i wonder, too, sit there and think about it, how are we reaching a representative sample of people and the polls and 2010 senate races, governor's races and even the republican presidential primaries this year and seems to me there's still fairly accurate. should we -- how much should we be relying seeing obama versus romney numbers? are they still relatively accurate? >> pollsters do a pretty good job of compensating for these things but the reality is when pew finds that only 9% of the people they try to call participate in their polls you have to wonder if that 9% if there might be something about the 9% to skew the poll one way or the other, politically or whether it has to do with the poll on what americans think about a nonpolitical issue or what their behaviors are, with regard to their own health. so, i think that, you know, we're getting to a point now where as that 9%, if it falls any farther, we might have to worry about how representative they are. >> steve, also how much of this is not just technology and changing demographics but people don't want to be polled. i'm as politically engaged as it gets. if i see that number coming across my phone, i'm not answering it. if a survey comes across line, i'm not taking it. i don't want to be asked these questions. how much is disinterest and leave me alone mentality? >> it's a lot of that. privacy is a big factor. why people aren't participating in polls and the people who do want to participate -- the good news is for political polling, people more likely to want to participate in political surveys are the same people who are more likely to vote than nonvoters. so, that is why political surveys are hanging on, but as the response rate continues to fall, if it does, and there's every expectation it will, because it's been falling for 15 years, you start to wonder if that's going to be the case in four years. >> and is there a concern that the results are skewing or the sample is skewing older because out of the 34% of households that are cell phone only, i would expect a large percentage of those would be younger voters and that younger voters would be harder to reach by phone or even by address than by internet. is that a concern as well? >> that is a big concern. you said it's 34% of households don't have a land line phone, but among households -- among adults under 30, it's more than half. and among seniors it's 8.5% don't have land line phone. a lot of robo automated polling, public policy polling, they don't call cell phones. so, they're going to end up with a lot of older voters versus younger voters. the younger voters they do talk to, they're going to have to weight those with such weight it could amplify any errors they find. >> steven, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> up next, professor on no matter what the gop says, president obama is no jimmy carter. >> that's why every president since the great depression who came before the american people asking for a second term could look back at the last four years and say with satisfaction, you're better off than you were four years ago. except jimmy carter. and except this president. to your detergent's scent? 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evidence as one could have. >> reporter: this undercover video showing private eye christopher butler and drug enforcement commander norman welsh takinging part in an apparent drug deal that led to butler admitting he's guilty. butler stood up in front of a federal court judge today and in his own words described how he helped welsh steal drugs from law enforcement evidence lockers and then sold the drugs for cash. >> it's very hard for a defendant it to go into custody knowing he's going to do. >> presidea prison sentence. there's time to get it done. >> reporter: he admitted teaming up with welsh. he told the judge he helped open a massage parlor that provided sexual services in pleasant hill. he says he collected money from the women who worked there in exchange for welsh's police protection. >> he feels extremely bad for a lot of reasons. a lot of people got hurt by this and his family particularly. >> reporter: meanwhile, co-conspirator lombardi who pled guilty in january to his role in the scheme, is also heading to prison. a judge sentenced him to three years behind bars. >> on his behalf, i guess i would have to say there is no explanation and what he did was wrong and that he's prepared to pay the price for those wrong decisions. >> reporter: now christopher butler was immediately taken into custody with but he will be formally sentenced on september 11th. he faces a minimum sentence of ten years for that drug charge alone. now his attorney says that he is willing and ready to testify against the co-conspirators. norman welsh's attorney told me today they are currently negotiating with the federal government about a possible plea. we were unable to reach tanabi's attorney. reporting live, i'm jodi hernandez, nbc bay area news. >> a scandalous and complex story. an elderly woman is in critical condition following a house fire in san fran stran's sunset district. around 3:00 this afternoon firefighters got a call smoke was coming from a home on 41st avenue. inside firefighters found an unconscious woman. she was rushed to st. francis hospital. crews were able to quickly get the fire under control. a scare and an unexpected day off for some east bay students. the hydrogen fuel leak at a bus yard caused evacuation at a nearby school and the pixar studios in emeryville. the leak was reported at about 7:30 this morning when employees heard a noise and saw a small fire coming from a hydrogen fuel tank. the fire had burned itself out before fire crews arrived. no injuries or damage reported. hazmat officials say the hydrogen went straight up in the air making it unlikely anyone was exposed. >> there is some burnoff, which is a good thing, because that eliminates the possibility of any other explosion or major fire. we are trying to determine exactly what the cause of it was. >> the evacuation order at the bus yard, pixar and other places were lifted just before noon. emery's secondary school remained closed. >> the line between celebration and destruction tonight. businesses in the south bay are boarding up in preparation for tomorrow's big cinco dimaio party just in case. steffi chuang joins us tonight. >> reporter: there are personal, private ones, not one hosted by san jose officially this year. the concern was at this small business plaza there were windows smashed in and it's happened ten times in the last 30 years on cinco dimaio. the flip side is for people going to cinco de mayo celebrations, they worry that the it could bring crime. >> reporter: hector sandoval is returning for cinco de mayo for the first time in years. the 25-year-old from bill roy stopped going when he witnessed the secelebrations turning violent. in 2006 the night ended with nearly 60 arrests. >> after when it started getting a little more crazy, we ended up leaving a little early. it didn't look too good. >> reporter: he says the last time he was there, he saw countless people looking for trouble, some wearing gang colors. >> you'd be down the street another block, another large group, didn't look too good so we had to step out. >> i would avoid downtown. i've heard a lot of people get shot, stabbed. >> reporter: san jose police acknowledge they are worried about potential gang activity because of the large crowds. with tightened concerns after last friday's deadly stabbing of a 14-year-old boy, one of five killings this year police have connected back to gangs. >> we've had a couple recent homicides. it means we're all more vigilant. i expect we'll have more officers out being concerned about that. >> reporter: they'll step up patrols through the weekend with extra officers from the metro unit which targets gangs as well as support from parole and probation agents. sandoval says he isn't testing the waters. >> probably head back home and watch the fight, the boxing match, mayweather. >> reporter: a lot of people will be watching that fight. and police are increasing patrols in the downtown area where a lot of people go out to the bars and clubs. there was a stabbing last year. now police for security reasons are not disclosing how many more officers will be out on the streets but say they are confident for tomorrow. live in san jose, stephanie chuang. >> it is such a lively weekend. a great story now about community. businesses on san francisco's valencia street are getting plenty of support following the riot on monday night. district attorney george garcon paid a visit to some of those business owners today and ed lee also popped in for a visit. on monday night a fwrup splintered off from an occupy rally and smashed windows along valenc valencia. more than 20 stars and 17 cars were damaged. while insurance is covering much of the damage, some stores like western wear have remained closed to make repairs. >> it is very astonishing that on valencia street where everybody has managed to keep the big box stores out, valencia street was the target. >> a facebook employee set up a site to collect donations for the merchants, collecting about $7,000. now this weekend the city is holding a special sunday street in the mission to help give the boost to affected businesses. >> the suspected gunman in the shooting of three immigration agents in petaluma was arraigned today. 20-year-old victor flores was among 15 suspected gang members part of today's mass arraignment. arrested gled the predawn sweep. nearly all the suspects pled not guilty, but many are suspected of being illegal immigrants and will have detention hearings next week. the three agents shot happened during yesterday's raid are recovering from their wounds. authorities are not giving out specifics or the agents' conditions at this point. heavily armed police and federal agents fanned out overnight arresting 13 suspected members of violent bay area street gangs as well. a grand jury indict add total of 19 suspected gang members. four of those arrest ed are accused of killing three men they believe were rival members in 2010. weapons were confiscated during the sweep. investigators are not say iing they found a murder weapon. if convicted the gang members would be eligible for the death penalty. the other suspects face charges of racketeering and conspiracy. the man who blew the whistle on yahoo!'s resume scandal is getting what he wants, pressure on yahoo!'s ceo. let's bring in scott budman. scott, can this escalate here? can the new ceo be forced out? >> reporter: certainly, raj. a lot of pressure coming from shareholders and that often brings with about change at companies. we have a resume scandal that at this point the ceo probably wishes would just go away but it's not going to. talking about scott thompson and his resume which until yesterday included a degree in computer science that thompson now admits he never got. today a group of shareholders sent a letter to yahoo!'s board of directors demanding they fire thompson by noon monday or else they'll take further action no comment from yahoo! about the letter. the other big business story today, jobs. our economy continues to grow but very sluggishly when it comes to jobs. 115,000 created for april. a number small enough to send investors to the exits. we just wrapped up the worst week for stocks so far in 2012 because job growth is slow unless you're work iing in the tech industry. silicon valley companies continue to buck the national trend and are hiring at a break neck pace. this is where the jobs are. >> reporter: while the rest of the nation struggles, a10 note works is moving in, a bigger headquarters for the equipment company. they'll need it for the 100 people they're going to hire. 100 jobs in this builting? >> yes, within the next 12 months. >> reporter: up the road wepay is also expanding, pulling in a $10 million round of funding to hire more people. >> what we're thinking of is definitely hiring across the board in every single department. we have 40 people right now. we're probably going to double that very soon. >> reporter: in san francisco payment service square just announced plans to double its staff. its neighbor just banked a staggering $100 million in funding and has lots of jobs to fill. what's going on? is there a silicon valley secret sauce? >> oh, sure, the secret sauce is innovation. this is what happens here. companies figure out ways to innovate new products, new techniques, and they sell it to the world. >> it's about customer innovation. taking care of customers. >> reporter: so much hiring, companies are fighting over employees. >> we are definitely hiring. other companies are hiring and, you know, if anything there's a lot of competition out there for the best employ yaes. >> reporter: within a struggling nation, an industry that apparently has the code for job growth. wepay, a palo alto company is an online payment company which is taking direct aim at san jose's pay pal, another silicon valley job creation story. jessica? >> okay, thank you, scott. still ahead at 6:00, pushing the limits. take you inside the bay area lab that's helping push amputees to new heights. also ahead, junior seau's family makes an emotional decision in the wake of his death. and a new freedom. local fishermen come to the rescue of a whale in distress. and good afternoon. i'm jeff ranieri live in livermore. we're counting down the hours until the wine festival. we'll talk wine, beer, and food. you'll have the chance to meet executive chef and a chance to win a trip to hawaii. somewhere off the coast a swimming easiesw tonight thanks .county fishermen from so mo ma unfederal wildlife officials sa the crew helped free the whale from a large fishing line about three miles off the coast of the bay. the whale had been tangled in rope net and buoys for days. they say this is the same whale that was first spotted off the coast of orange county. you might recall on april 17th. yesterday the fishermen say they used 12 foot bamboo poles with hooks to untangle the mess. tampering with a whale is a violation of the marine mammal protection act but in this case federal officials say the crew is exempt under the laws of good is a m samaritan clause. perhaps there's scientific answers as to why junior seau chited suicide. today the san diego chargers team captain says the family will donate his brain to researchers to study any damage caused by concussions that he suffered during his 20-year nfl career. also today the 911 tapes were released in which seau's girlfriend first discovered his body. the call is so graphic we have chosen not to air it. on wednesday the former linebacker was found in a southern california home with a self-inflicted gunshot wound to his chest. keeping campus protests peaceful is the focus of a new report released by the university of california this morning. that report outlines 50 recommendations for dealing with protesters. it suggests getting the permission of the campus chancellor before using force and releasing the list of what weapons campus police are allowed to use. it is part of the free speech and that police should be trained to handle them in a peaceful way. well, it can be one of the most frightening and dangerous maneuvers being done on bay area freeways. they released results of motorists and motorcycle riders on the subject of lane splitting. you've seen it. it's when motorcycles ride with the cars alongside them. the survey showed that over 50% of drivers think that lane splitting is actually against the law. it isn't. 87% of motorcycle riders say they do lane split. while 7% of drivers admit to having attempted to stop it. >> i think you should have a rule. i think it should be a certain speed where you can split the cars. say 10 to 20 miles an hour, you know, where you can be visually safe. >> and, get this, california is actually the only state to allow lane splitting. according to the national highway safety research motorcyclists 39 times more likely to die in traffic crashes than people in cars. they're accused of firing shots into a crowd of people. police in the south bay need your help to find the suspects. milpitas police are searching for five involved in last night's shooting on shiloh avenue just east of 680 between ben rogers park and piedmont road. the group of men drove up to a home in a beige sedan. two men exited the car, one fired into a crowd of people. thankfully no one was injured. if you have any information about the shooting, you are urged to call local police. >> protesters infiltrating what was supposed to be a welcoming community event. two people have been arrested for disrupting the police department's first ever open house. the goal was to show residents the department had a softer side so it was offering music, refreshments, and a number of booths to illustrate what the department has to offer when it comes to jobs and community service. activities and department leaders. acknowledged, now they say the force has a big pr ahead of it and wants to get the message out that change is under way. >> this is really a part of chief jordan's attempt to really solidify and strengthen relationships with the community and we're hoping for a good turnout and a fun time for all. >> they got more turnout than they expected, though. some 2,000 protesters rallied outside the building saying they want the department to go on trial for officer involved shootings. and a lot of noise today but not protests this time. a celebration of oakland's rich history. today the city's 160th birthday. oakland officially incorporated on may 4, 1852. the leaders cut into a big cake from the local bakery and unveiled a model of city hall. you may remember it was damaged earlier this year when occupy oakland protesters broke into the building. well, for some of us the weekend starts a little early. we are here at work but then there's jeff ranieri. >> who is out gallavanting in livermore. >> i heard it was so beautiful and, in fact, it is this evening. the sun is shining bright. temperatures are right where they should be. it's all about the wine country festival. you'll be able to taste wine, maybe from a bottle as big as this. also get lots of live music, plenty of art displays going on as well. a lot of stuff for the kids and nbc bay area actually will have its own pavilion out there where you'll be able to come out, meet our talent and also meet this man right here, the executive ch chef. you're going to be cooking up food, right? >> exactly. i will be making a sauce. >> let's get busy and see you in action. what are you doing? >> here i am mixing it. here is some after vocados and tuna. you have to have fresh tuna. >> pretty easy? >> very easy. >> smells incredible. >> and a little sauce. >> a little bit of a hawaiian twist at the nbc bay area pavilion. >> toss it around, mix it up. >> ooh. >> finish it off -- >> simple. >> oh, very simple. >> you can do it with a tortilla? >> here you just put a little wasabi oil over the top. >> a little bit of heat. >> a little heat. and there you go. >> and a little bit of wine. a little bit of wine on 0 the table but, nonetheless, a lot of fun out here. a look at the weather maps. thank you for cooking that up. you'll be out at the nbc bay area pa vvilion, the executive chef tom muramoto. it's not drinking wine unless a little goes over the top of the cup. temperatures in the mid to upper 50s here for a lot of the bay area, and then as we head throughout the next 48 hours what we'll find is high pressure building offshore that will provide some offshore winds and dry air, maybe even some beach weather here as we head into sunday. now our day part forecast will bring temperatures up into the 70s and 80s as we head into the tri-valley into livermore and san jose and it's all about the 21st annual wine kcountry festival this saturday and also sunday. there's going to be wine, beer, a lot of stuff your family can do out here. look at this, jessica, one of the locals actually has a wine bottle and a label with your name on it. >> wow. that's nice for me, i think, jeff. >> i think we need to snag you this. >> and i would advise you not to drink that entire magnum by yourself. you will never make it back here. >> it's still sealed. >> that's a triple magnum. still ahead at 6:00, a woman is seriously injured, believe it or not, eating pizza. >> also ahead, is it safe? a new study by local researchers casts doubt about an anti-smoking drug. >> and the world remembers a music legend. a major shot at the children's hospital and research center. they have received nearly $3 million in grant money used to renovate the primary care clinic. plans include more exam rooms, more space for pediatrics. the hospital's teen clinic and the center for vulnerable children will also receive money. the affordable care act also known in some circles as obama care. in health matters a popular drug to help people stop smoking may be safer than initially believed. a study finds the drug chantix does not increase the risk of heart attack, stroke, or other part of the cardiovascular problems. the finding goes against earlier reports that suggested the medicine was dangerous. the study did not address the other problems linked with chantix, psychiatric problems including deregulars. a san francisco woman has received $2 million after a scary encounter with a slice of pizza. the 59-year-old almost died when eating at a roundtable pizza in san francisco. turns out a chicken bone in the pizza pierced her esophagus and caused an infection. she has had countless surgeries and spent months on a feeding tube. a jury found the franchise of the restaurant negligent as well as the supplier of the chicken strips. still ahead at 6:00, family members in the september 11 attacks arrived in guantanamo ahead of a court hearing. >> reporter: i'm marianne favro where new prosthetic and specialized training in helping amputees. i'll have that story coming up. cops ride the light rail for free while you foot the bill. last night we showed you a preview of our investigator piece on how tax dollars are slipping through the cracks. tonight, chief investigator reveals cheating and we follow your money when i take a picture of this check, it goes straight to the bank. oh. oh look the lion is out! no mommy no! don't worry honey, it only works on checks. deposit checks from your smartphone with chase quickdeposit. just snap a picture, hit send and done. take a step forward and chase what matters. breaking news out of pinole now. a suspect shot. a suspect apparently noticed the chp officer following him on state route 4. that's when that driver got off the pinole valley road exit. police say he pulled into the target parking lot and suddenly started shooting at the chp officer. that suspect is now in custody with nonlife threatening injuries after the officer surnd fire. the officer was not hurt in this exchange. now to a story you'll only see on nbc bay area news. tonight a hidden camera investigation. your tax dollars built santa clara county's light rail system. >> our cameras expose where many cheat the system. following your money tonight, tony kovaleski. >> reporter: members have been riding light rail, talking to riders. here is the issue. are the executives responsibly managing your tax dollars? our investigation has found by all indications they are ignoring a system failure and choosing not to fix a problem that's costing all of us more than $1 million each year. >> did you buy a ticket today? >> no. >> are you riding without paying? >> of course. >> reporter: it's a 42-mile light rail system paid with your tax dollars. one penny out of every dollar spent in santa clara county adds up to $172 million for light rail each year. >> heavily subsidized operation. >> reporter: he's the valley transportation authority's general manager. are you confident you're managing those tax dollars the way taxpayers would want? >> yes. >> reporter: $172 million tax dollars, money used to significantly lower the cost of tickets for more than 10 million riders each year. >> the whole system is based on a premise that people are honest. >> reporter: but our hidden camera investigation found many riders honestly admitting -- did you buy a ticket today? >> no. >> reporter: they don't buy tickets, bypassing the ticket machine, boarding the train, and never paying to ride light rail. >> you usually ride without one? have you ever gotten caught? no? >> reporter: during the past two months, nbc bay area staff members spent 100 hours riding the light rail. an investigation that covered more than 1,200 miles of train tracks. every day of the week. >> friday, april 13th, i am at the san fer nnando station. >> reporter: riding in the early morning, during midday, and late at night. really, they don't usually check at night? >> no. >> reporter: how often do you ride? >> every weekend. >> they'll never check this way. they never check it. they never checked. >> reporter: our hidden cameras quickly found experts, regular riders, experienced in gaining vta's light rail system. >> reporter: by not scanning her rclpeip card when inspectors don't check it she admits she rides for free. >> all you have to do is show your clipper. >> reporter: rider after rider told our hidden camera how to beat vta's system, how to avoid the fare inspectors, how to ride for free. >> reporter: and our review of records also raises questions about the impact of fare inspectors. >> reporter: records show vta's fare inspectors only check 24 tickets per hour and only write four citations on average in an eight-hour shift. >> i never see them over here. >> reporter: our review found when inspectors identify a fare evader, 70% of the time they don't issue a citation, opting for only a warning. it's a culture that leaves v it ta with the highest fare evasion rate in the region. take a look at what we found. san francisco muni's rate, less than 3%. sacramento's less than 2%. cal train only 0.1%. vta's fare evasion rate 7.2%. should the average taxpayer be outraged by what we found? >> i think they should be concerned. >> reporter: chris advocates for transit riders in the south bay. by all indications management has ignored this problem for a long time. >> i think it would be great if the agency actually did something about the situation. >> reporter: you're running a system that has a fare evasion rate of 7.2%. is that acceptable? >> it's not acceptable. >> reporter: it appears this fare evasion problem is not a priority here. >> well, it's one of the priorities. it is a priority. >> reporter: with all due respect, your numbers show it's not a priority. >> well, i disagree with you. i understand your numbers. >> reporter: but you're the worst in the region. here is why priority comes into question. a half dozen nbc bay area staff members rode for 100 hours on 22 different days, a total of 1,200 miles and vta inspectors only asked us to prove we purchased tickets four times. what does that say about vta and its tafare inspection program? >> either the fare inspectors aren't doing a good enough job or there aren't enough fare inspectors out there. >> reporter: ultimately a review of vta's records and our hidden camera investigation exposed a culture in question. at the rate of fare evasion, our analysis shows the agency allows more than $1 million in free riders every year. do you think you should change the culture? >> i think riders should expect that they're going to be checked. >> reporter: that's not a reality. >> you asked me what i expect. that's what i would expect. >> ten years and gotten checked three or four times. >> really? >> i don't even buy one anymore. >> reporter: your culture has not created that expectation. >> i recognize that our rate is higher than it should be, yes. >> reporter: taxpayers want to know you're going to take this information and fix the problem. can you say that? >> i can say absolutely that we will do everything that we can to try to reduce fare evasion within the resources that we have. >> reporter: now you should know that v itta disagrees with ou l calculations. an interesting parallel. in san francisco muni had had a high fare evasion rate. mappingers there used exist iin resources and significantly lowered its number of free riders. and one other important note for you, if you are caught riding light rail without a ticket, it's an expensive lesson, more than $200. >> okay. thank you very much, tony. now if you have a news tip, we want to hear from you. 888-996-tips or send us an e-mail. a major step towards justice for families of 9/11 victims. they arrived at guantanamo bay, cuba, today to watch the arraignment of the accused mastermind behind those terror attacks, khalid shaikh mohammed. four others will be arraigned tomorrow. a televised feed of the proceedings will also be seen at four military bases around the united states. the five men face murder and terrorism charges and could receive the death penalty if convicted. china and the united states have made a deal. chinese activist chen guangcheng will be allowed to apply to study for an american fellowship reportedly at nyu's law school. chen originally wanted to stay in china after escaping house arrest last week and fleeing to the u.s. embassy in beijing but he changed his mind after concerns for the safety of his family. u.s. embassy officials and an american doctor visited chen today at a bay jang hospital. he suffered three broken bones in his foot during his escape. still ahead at 6:00, a remarkable story of technology and courage. how local researchers are helping amputees reach new heights. and he helped put hip-hop on the map. the music world mourns the loss of a legend tonight. and good evening. i'm jeff ranieri. it's all about the livermore wine country festival. we'll tell you how you can enter to win a trip to hawaii at the nbc bay area pavilion and your seven-day forecast. aloha!pe they start ed out as a pupg rock band but became famous as rappers and shook up the music world. one of the members of the beasty boys died. adam yauch, known as mca, had been in cancer treatment since a tumor was found in 2009. he was 47 years old. he co-founded the beasty boys with mike diamond and adam horowicz back in 1979. but the group re-invented themselves as a hip-hop act and made it big with their smash 1986 album. >> a lot of my friends brought hip-hop to the suburbs and that was a huge thing. >> changed the game. in addition to his work as a musician, he launched a film production company in 2002. >> they were big in high school. i sure remember that. sad loss. let's turn things over to jeff ranieri. he's living la ve at that low ka in livermore at the wine festival. >> wow. you have a ride home back to the studio, right, jeff? >> of course, yes. i would never do this, work, and drink at the same time. it's all about the livermore wine country festival. 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>> it sure is. let's turn our attention back out to jeff ranieri, our chief meteorologist, who is now our chief wine correspondent from the livermore wine festival. >> but i didn't forget you guys. look at this. there's three glasses as my photographer pans on over. i haven't touched either one of yours either. those have been freshly poured. take a look at this down here in livermore we're getting some food arriving now and that's the best part of the livermore wine country festival, the 21st annual happening this saturday and sunday. a lot of local restaurants and bars, so it's about a lot more than just showing up at a tent and tasting some great wine. the executive director of this festival is here, rye shell, we talk every year about this is a big hit. over 100,000 people come out, right? >> absolutely. everybody who is anybody is here. we're real excited. you have to go to the reception. we have chefs from maui out here doing cinco de mayo hawaiian style so you have to watch some of his food demonstrations and there's even a hawaii trip being given away. somebody will get to go to maui. >> go down to the nbc bay area pavilion, plenty of wine, beer, and also a kids section, too. so it's not only 21 and up. >> absolutely. this is for everybody. even if you don't drink wine. i don't know a lot of people that don't drink wine. however, if you don't, there's so much to do. come and be a part of it. >> quickly now, we do have some food out here. let's pan on down. we have about 20 seconds. this is phenomenal. what do we have? >> you have a beef italian tenderloin. in the middle is the seafood with sauce and then this is the lopster and wonton. >> wow. >> the red wine with it. >> that sounds like it's going good with my red wine. a little bite of this and your weather forecast which is pretty much perfect for this weekend. as we get a look now, the current numbers are in the 50s and also the 60s for the most part but this breeze is kicking up here in the tri valley making it feel chilly out here now. as we head throughout this weekend, it will be getting hotter especially intounday and it's all about high pressure offshore as well starting to move on in and bring this dome of warmer air, also some dry winds from the north, lower humidities down into the teens and also the single digits p potentially by sunday. slightly increasing the fire danger. a little bit of beach weather mixed in as well. for tonight temperatures for the most part in the upper 40s it to low 50s and then we'll expect the daytime highs near 80 degrees back here in livermore for that festival which, once again, will be happening on saturday and also sunday beginning at about 10:00 a.m. and lasting through about 5:00 in the afternoon. come one, come all. it's all about that livermore wine country festival, the 21st annual one happening again this weekend. on our seven-day forecast it continues to get even warmer as we head throughout sunday, monday, and also tuesday. raj and jessica, just because i know you love it this year, every year, we bring back that live human seven-day forecast. >> love it. >> how are you doing? they're doing good. it's monday. i know, raj, you have a problem returning back to work but you've had a big smile on your face all evening long. what are we expecting monday? >> monday is going to be sunny, mid-80s. >> yes. you're feeling pretty good about that? >> i love mondays. i have monday off. >> a great forecast and her day off. all right. we'll see you later. we have to wrap it up. i'm going to save you some out here. i have a little bit of white, too. >> very nice. >> we love monday. thank you, jeff. >> you've got it. see you later. let's turn our attention now to sports. let's bring in mindy from our comcast sports net newsroom. wine and sunshine, can you top that, mindy? >> who cares about the weather when you have good wine? that's all i have to say. you can take your wine and beer and head over to at&t park tonight. there's a pitching matchup not to miss. tim lincecum, it's only happened five times before facing off against the fellow cy young award winner. they are both on the mound. both won that prestigious award in 2009. greinke was with the royals back then and has never faced the giants before. they've had a much better start to the season. lincecum gave up 16 earned runs in the first three starts combined. definitely a change for the better giving up only one run over his last two starts and picked up back-to-back wins. jaymee sire has more on the matchup. >> mindy, only three of the giants hitters have actually faced greinke and all are in the lineup tonight. a little bit more familiar with tim lincecum, of course. in fact, lincecum has faced the brewers eight times in his career. he is 3-3 with a 4.50 e.r.a. >> a good one, a good, young pitcher with great stuff. he's a tough matchup. >> just try to put the ball in play. make solid contact and see what happens. a tough pitcher to hit. >> he's getting to watch him for so many years and it's going to be a battle. that's for sure. ready to go with every pitch. >> it's great hitting the mound. there's no getting around that. with your number one guy and we're going to need him. we're facing a tough pitcher. always that sense of confidence when he hits the mound for this team. >> and shortstop crawford is not in the lineup tonight. he will not be out there tomorrow either against the lefty and are you in the lineup tonight? okay, he is. that does it for now. mindy, back to you. >> all right, thank you so much, jaymee. they will be without pablo sandoval who underwent surgery to remove the broken bone in his left wrist. assuming he has no complications he will return to the team in four to six weeks. and mint juleps anyone? the people at golden gate field are gearing up for the kentucky derby. one derby contenders tasted victory. that was daddy nose best. the world's winningest jockey russell baze. we will have a big day of coverage planned for you kicking off and closes out the day and we have a race with post time around 3:24. watch it at home or enjoy all the festivities including the hat contest at golden gate field. be sure to have your minute juleps or the wine from livermore, which ever you prefer. fancy hats make it fun. i always love the run for the roses. >> kentucky derby here on nbc bay area tomorrow. bet on daddy long legs. >> okay. >> got to go with the most fun name. >> 50-1 odds. for a full half hour, watchon ta 0.10:3etentral tonight at 10:30.en what'll it be? 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house republicans prepare for a last showdown. even after the senate republicans reached a deal, snatching gridlock from the jaus of victory. by the way, the paycheck is on the line. newt gingrich goes after the judiciary. a popular boogie man in republican primaries. he will ignore supreme court rulings and wait until you see how he forces judges to testify before congress. it's monday, december 19th, 2011. let's get to the first read of the morning and it begins in north korea. jim jung ilturned his country into a state by starving and imprisonings his own people ha died. [speaking foreign language] >> that was a weeping anchor reader announced the death of the man known as dear leader on state television late sunday. according to that report, kim died of a heart attack after 17 years of rule. even his age is not known for sure. he had been in bad health since suffering from what was believed a stroke in 2008. kim's chosen successor, his youngest son, kim jong un. they conducted a short range missile test. he was elevated to senior military post and groomed as the heir apparent. they worried that a power struggle or the need to prove himself could lead to attacks on the south. the white house said we remain commitmented to stability on the korean peninsula and to the freedom and security of our allies. the president spoke to president lee at midnight our time. in washington meanwhile, it's deja vu all over again when the white house and congressional republicans would come to a deal and the game is stalemate on saturday. the senate passed this bipartisan compromise that extended the payroll tax for two months and jobless benefits short of the one-year goal, but by sunday after house republicans were briefed by the leadership, speaker boehner said it must be changed. the republicans in the house would support nothing less than a one-year extension. >> how can you do tax policy for two months? the president said we shouldn't go on vacation without getting our work done. let's do this for a year. >> the president said he would gree anything senate republicans approved. >> to play games with the middle class tax cut is very, very unfair. speaker bane in the presence of harry reid and mitch mcconnell said let mitch mcconnell negotiate it. he did and there was an agreement. >> last week boehner said this. >> if the senate passed, i am committed to bringing the house back within 24 hours to deal with whatever the senate does. there is absolutely no interest in trying to be striking about this. >> boehner was careful and never said he would support whatever senate republican deal was cut. that certainly was what he was trying to apply at least a lot of people heard that. the house is scheduled to take up the senate bill and leaders expected to fail. they could take up an amended version or vote to take it to congress and force a smaller group of senators and members of congress. in a statement the white house scolded house republicans, telling members to stop playing politics and get the job done. moments from now, the director will join me to talk about where we go from here to keep in this in mind. this was the number two leader in the house. he had been signalling he was not in favor of this extension even before senate republicans had passed it. he was sending those signals and members of the house republican conference were sending the signals and the deal was done anyway. that's one issue and another reason white house republicans may not want to do it, they got pummelled in public on this. they got hurt in the poll numbers even more. do they want to do it in two months. the race begins the last full week of campaigning before christmas. newt gingrich who is no longer surging and taking incoming from his rival in his first sunday show appearance in nearly two years, mitt romney called gingrich an unacceptable risk based on his past. >> he is unreliable and zany. i wouldn't think you call mirrors in space to light highways a practical idea. >> candidates in the back of the pack on bus tours. they scheduled an open conference call on saturday and trumpeted an issue that is popular with conservatives and that is going after the judiciary. on sunday he took the argument to television saying if elected, he would make judges more accountable and force them to appear to explain their decisions. >> how would you enforce that? would you send the capital police to arrest him? >> if you had to or instruct the justice department to send the u.s. marshal. >> an issue very, very popular and with republican primary voters. here's one other stat. the romney super pack has over $700,000 of negative ads on the books. newt gingrich has $21,000 of ads set to air. that's a 34-1 ratio. the iraq war came to an official close over the weekend. they question whether going war in the first place was the right decision. take a listen. >> going back saying what we know now, would we have invaded or not. at the time we department have the knowledge we have now. >> we will find with great sadness we lost several thousand young americans and many thousand more wounded undertaking a project we couldn't do. >> back to breaking news. the north korean nuclear crisis in the wake of kim jung il's death. the host of "andrea mitchell reports," the chief washington correspondent for the new york times to experts in the area. andrea, let's start with who really is in charge of north korea this morning. >> this is a collective leadership most likely and the military more so than the new leader. he is woefully unprepared and young and untested. that's why there is concern there will be provocative acts. you saw the one short range missile and the fire didn't land anywhere. the main issue to try to keep the south korean response if there is provocation to a minimum to get the chinese to intervene with their influence and this could be a very long transition. >> has there -- with other countries, you send a split between the civilian and the military leadership. what was kim jung il's relationship with the media? >> kim jung il put a military first policy in place. that meant almost all of the goodies that came into north korea that went to the military. that kept them together. he kept enormous funs together and the u.s. crack down on some of them during sanctions in the bush administration to pay off military leaders of the political views. the problem with kim jong un,he is in his late 20s and he doesn't have a deep relationship with any of these gentlemen. a few of themming issed that there might need to be a region. the bigger issue behind a split apart from any items, we never before really had a nuclear armed failed state. north korea is a failed state. >> now though. >> it only got the first nuclear test in 2006. it was a fizzle and did another one months into the obama administration. they think they have enough fuel for eight or ten weapons. the big fear is if you get a split, who is in control of that material? we don't know. >> andrea, i get the sense of how good or bad is our intelligence and how much is a full reliance? >> we rely on south koreans and the chinese. we don't have great transparency. we did know he was dead. the neighbors were all surprised. he had what we believe was a stroke in 2008. he had heart disease and cancer as david has written. according to american intelligence. we have been surprised over and over again by the fact that they have parallel nuclear program that is when they do tests, we have been surprised by the facility in syria. >> use the facility that the north koreans built in syria. the u.s. didn't have a clue until they dropped photographs. >> you reported that the u.s. officials have have been war gaming this scenario for years. what would happen when he died and what would the transition be? they are putting it into action. what does it mean? >> almost every scenario from north korea collapse that people think of that seems credible start with kim jung il's death. some play out over nears and some over a shored e shorter period. we don't know how long this is going to take. until two years ago, what did the cia know about kim jong un? one picture. that's it. >> you brought it up. >> that is a big concern for china. it's what does real china in and it's one of the leverage points we have. the last thing they want is this flood of starving people. the contrast between north and south in 2006 with bill richardson down to south korea, i have been there and i have flown. i have never done the drive. the contrast with the primitive society. people using hoes and rakes in the dirt. it's 17th century. >> this guy is going to keep us busy all week. >> i think for years. scary stuff. >> thank you both. up next, white house communications director and more of the white house reaction to the death of kim jung il, and what's going on on capitol hill and the issue of gridlock being snatched from the jaws of victory. plus -- we have a lot more on the presidential race. stay tuned. this is "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. what makes scottrade your smartphone's most powerful trading app ? total access - to everything. from idea to research to trade. including financials, indicators and real-time streaming quotes. whether you check your investments every day or every minute, our app can take them from thought to trade. at scottrade, seven-dollar trades are just the start. try our powerful mobile app. it's another reason more investors are saying... i'm with scottrade. 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>> speaker boehner's position on sunday was not what he had on saturday when the 89 senators came together to pass a two-month extension. let's think on that. the republican leadership, you can't get 89 votes for apple pie, but they did this with the understanding that the house would approve this two-month extension and speaker boehner got on the phone with his caucus and tried to sell it. he reversed his position and putting danger on a tax increase of $1,000 of the americans in like 12 days. >> you know for sure that mitch mcconnell and john kyle had boehner sign off on this deal? >> this was almost done publicly. the speeblger told senator reed to negotiate with mitch mcconnell. you have been in washington enough time without there being an understanding of the house leadership. in fact in that conference call, it is reported that speaker boehner urged his caucus to pass this and call it a victory and a good deal. when the tea party folks like alan west and it would have a damaging effect on our economy. not extending the tax cut would put us in n an uncomfortable and high concern. this is entirely on speaker boehner and the house. they are the one person standing in the way of this tax cut for americans. >> it is speaker boehner's job that counts as well. he didn't have the votes or he wouldn't have done what he did yesterday. what is your preferred -- you believe that there a mo ma jority in the house and not a majority of the majority? >> correct. leader pelosi said every democrat will support this. you only need a couple dozen to do it. i found it inconceivable that you have a couple of republicans to vote for a tax cut for the middle class. he may be unwilling to buck the tea party, but clearly a good opportunity it get it passed in the house. >> what is your preferred -- if this is an issue for him and he is not going to bring a bill to the floor that he doesn't feel will be a majority of the republican conference, what is your preferred method? do you want him to amend it? do you want him to vote to say let's go to conference which in washington speak means the senate and the house bill and a bunch of these guys getting to and try to hammer out a deal and you can't filibuster i believe. it might be that you can do it with a quick vote in both house and senate. >> our position is they should pass this two-month extension. this is the right thing to do and provides a rock solid guarantee to the american people that their taxes are not going up. it's interesting. you said does it have a majority? she not the speaker of the caucus, but the speaker of the house. he needs to lead enough people to join the democrats to do what he knows is the right thing to do. this is sitting here to get done. everyone can know their taxes are not going up on january 1st. >> do you think he doesn't want to lose conservatives from supporting him? >> i am not an expert on the house republican caucus, but it seems clear that when people call the shots, they are the folks in the tea party on the right. they revolted and the speaker went to their desires. he knows it's not in the best interest of the country. >> more in the house bill they pass? >> there elements that we are comfortable with. one of the things is the fact that just a few months ago senate, the house and the president agreed on spending levels. we shook hands and made a deal. the house bill breaks that deal. three months later. we are not going to abide by paying for a middle class tax cut by cutting initiatives. >> i have to leave it there. thanks for coming on this morning. >> thank you. >> newt's attack on the courts. how much and how well will it play with conservatives. the death of kim jung il, triggering instability on the markets. how wall street will open. in a 2000 visit to north korea, madeleine albright gave kim jung ila basketball signed by which nba all-star? 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[ female announcer ] phillips' colon health. >> we are minutes away from the opening bell. how much is north korea playing into it? >> it looked like they would have a big impact with the passing of kim jung il, but in the asian marks, that was a huge concern. it was weighing on the european marks, but things have shaken off and the dow will open up by about 25 points or so. we are worried about europe as we are every day. the talk in europe is that there is going to be a conference call among the eu finance chiefs to come up with the 200 billion euros with the funds. the uk said forget it, we are not putting any more money into the funds. we will be getting updates happening in the afternoon and europe that is happenidly approaching. the other thing is the housing market. we will be getting the national association of home builders building sentiment index. we will be getting housing starts from the commerce department and realtors's home sales for november. i bring up some of these home sales issues in the housing market because it's a key one for the markets to be watching. it's what a lot of people say including warren buffett needs to see improvement in the jobs picture and the senate bill that was passed in terms of what they want to see happening to pay for the payroll tax cuts being extend and puts a bit of a levy and sur changes on both fannie and freddie that could make mortgages cost about $17 more a month for any new mortgages and that is overlooked for the talk about what's happening on capitol hill. if you tax and put extra fees on mortgages, you are probably not going to see improvement in home prices any time soon. >> very, very fast, when will the market respond to what's going on? >> right now they are expecting that they will see something that happens before the end of the year. if not, look out. this is the time of year when we get into thin trade figure something doesn't happen this week. you are talking about thin trade. >> lots of overreaction. >> it's a lot of money that wouldn't be going into the economy. >> up next, florida congressman connie mac and how he sees the payroll tax and plus, romney scores the endorsement of the "des moines register." that's "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. tors recommend most for arthritis pain, think again. and take aleve. it's the one doctors recommend most for arthritis pain... two pills can last all day. ♪ for a hot dog cart. my mother said, "well, maybe we ought to buy this hot dog cart and set it up someplace." so my parents went to bank of america. they met with the branch manager and they said, "look, we've got this little hot dog cart, and it's on a really good corner. let's see if we can buy the property." and the branch manager said, "all right, i will take a chance with the two of you." and we've been loyal to bank of america for the last 71 years. a few other stories making headlines, syria agreed to allow arab observers as part of a deal to end the government's crack down on demonstrators. they signed the deal with the arab league after members threatened to ask the un to intervene. in cairo egyptian soldiers called to an end to military rule killing at least three protesters in tahrir square. they are trying to topple the state. >> america's war in iraq is officially over. the last convoy crossed the border from iraq into kuwait before dawn on sunday morning. this just in. nbc news learned that newt gingrich will pick up the endorsement j.c. watts jr. probably arguably one of the more prominent members of the class of 94. days away from christmas and the holiday deal is not done over the weekend, they passed the cut for two months and the house republicans are expected to defeat the plan after the house speaker described the effort as "kicking the can down the road." congressman, can you support this compromise deal that mitch mcconnell and marco rubio in the state of florida did? >> no, i can't. this is the same gamesmanship that has been happening in washington and i think everybody is fed up. everybody had enough of this. we are going to do a two-month extension. that's not fair to the american workers out there who is trying to plan for the year for next year. we are going to say here, we will let you keep that money for two months. then we will do this all over again. we should be able to extend this for a year, no problem. it doesn't seem that the white house or the democrats want to continue to create issues that shouldn't be there. >> why did senate republicans sign off on this? did they communicate with the senate republican leadership some a lot of people were left with the impression that when harry reid and mitch mcconnell could negotiate to, he would get it done. >> here's the thing. they didn't ask me. >> sorry that the problem. he didn't ask the conference before? >> the speaker and i wasn't sitting at that table. i can tell you this. when i'm back home in the district and around the state of florida, people are tired of this gamesmanship. they had enough of this. >> which part is gamesmanship. somebody could look at this and say no, house republicans are playing games. they thought a deal was cut and now the senate went home. >> the senators you know would not have gotten out of town. >> u.s. floridians think it's a game when they extend for two months and they will say you bet it's a game. this is on the senate. as much as they try to tor tray this, the senate decided they will do this for two months. this is the same thing we had with the tax policy and the debt and the deficits. it's this short fix and this new commission. let's get our job done. you comfortable bringing this to the floor? >> that's the prok progative of leadership. i think it should be voted on. >> if you are for or against the state. >> 'not? the people should know where we stand. the fact that the senate wants to continue to play games and only think about this. this is the american worker out there who earned this money and they are being told we can't really agree on anything woo we will do two months. you for the extension? >> yeah. >> some say hey, as much as it is helpful, it does take a lot of money away from social security. >> that's a false argument. everybody know that is the trust fund is rated all the time and filled in with general revenue. it's a seive and not a lock box as people think. it leaks out money through the entire federal budget process. >> fair enough. let's move on to politics. you endorsed mitt romney. why not newt gingrich and who will be the better conservative? >> first of all, i think mitt romney has what it takes and what this country news. we need someone who understands how the economy works. understands how job creation works and it's not the government that creates jobs, but individuals and risk takers and the entrepreneur. mitt romney understands that. i am comfortable in supporting mitt romney for the presidency. you comfortable with newt gingrich as the nominee? >> less comfortable. my choice is mitt romney. whoever the nominee is, we will work for to try to beat obama. obama believes that government is the answer to every problem we have instead of believing in the individual. >> polls show you are way ahead with your republican challengers. again, i endorsed mid-romney and we are clear. >> you were a no and a yes. >> a friend of mine was in the race a& not being able to beat senator nelson who was a lock step liberal with president obama. i decided that we will make this and we can't afford to have senator nelson and barack obama. >> thanks for coming on. busier topics than we expected when we invited you last week. merry christmas. >> can newt shakt fallout over freddie mac. our political handle is up next, but first white house soup of the day. greek lentil stew. this is not a good year that we talk about the soup and the news are intertwining. just one phillips' colon health probiotic cap a day helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with three strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic." [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health. on this date in 1998, the house approves two articles of impeachment against president clinton, only the second time in american history the president has been impeached. the first was andrew johnson in 1868. >> rivals continue to play up ties to freddie mac on the trail. avoided understanding this scathing editorial in the "wall street journal." >> i will let the lawyers decide what is and is not lobbying. when it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, typically it's a duck. >> we earned the editorial by not stopping and handling this from day one. the facts are i didn't get that kind of money and went to a consulting firm and had officers and the share i got was relatively small. >> he is washington bureau chief for the comcast network and staff writer covering national politics. the author of the take. welcome all. listening to newt there talk about his consulting firm. >> it was his. >> now we know why haley barber didn't run. it is tough to be able to make that argument. my name is on the firm. >> didn't get much of those. we saw them and he tried to run. >> tough to make that. you write today on the gingrich campaign. it is now in the fourth and potentially decisive phase. the 30 was rebirth and fourth, testing is now under way. how is he doing? >> not particularly well. he is up against the onslaught of money in iowa. he has little money to come back at it and doesn't have debates to put himself forward. the debates were the vehicle for his rising and doesn't have that over two weeks. he has to fight in this old fashioned way. >> every report you have out of iowa, every republican that opens their mail box and get pounded and you turn on the tv, it's this giant ad by romney and ron paul. it's all hitting newt. >> i sat there to see what it was like for the voters and watched the evening news. it was constant. i saw a single newt gingrich ad and it was sort of a positive spot which was nice, but up against three of those romney super pack ads and three of the ron paul ads. there is this shadowy group of christians against gingrich. they go to every newt gingrich event and put flyers on people's cars. there two groups doing this. iowa caucus goers cannot avoid all the attacks. >> it's interesting to me to watch newt over the weekend shift gears and go after judges. we are familiar with what resonates with conservative voters. here's what he said about the fight and what to take to the judiciary. >> our judges are above the rest of the constitution and one of the three coequal branches. >> are the rest of us obeying the law? you have to say this is a nation of laws. >> we do, but i will go back to lincoln who think with respect to the law. lincoln explicitly instructed his administration to not enforce dread scott. >> very jars to hear speaker gingrich talk about weakening the branch of government, but bashing judges is popular. >> two things conservatives love to hate. abortion and gay marriage and thus in the process, judges obviously control that or decide on that on the basis. >> absolutely. >> to a certain degree newt is speaking to the base and talking their language. the question is whether or not the independent voter out there looks at newt gingrich as the reason why they can't vote he is two in the weeds. >> they may be tough in new hampshire. mitt romney yesterday had to deal with what is his conservative achilles heel in health care. here's how he answered the question yesterday. >> i like what our state did. it was right for our state. i will let others pursue their paths. >> that's four years ago. >> i like what we did and i'm proud of what we did. i won't texas what they have to do or california or new york. i think the ideas we put forth work. >> once again, he tried to walk that line and doesn't fully come out against the mandate in general as an idea, but he is up against it as a national federal mandate. is he ever going to satisfy some people with that answer? >> no and his assumption he has to ride through this. he found a comfortable place to be which is to say not flip flopping and to say what i did was wrong and i changed my mind. also to say i am where everybody else is on the obama health care plan and i have a better plan for what you do without that than anybody else. >> freddie mac or health care. what's negative resonating most with conservatives? >> i think the problem is you see newt gingrich defending freddie mac where romney backed off to a point where it seems to be splitting hairs, he has an explanation that can plausibly claim to be attacking obama care at the same time. >> with mitt romney for a second, what he is trying to do is speak to the social conservative and said what i did was interesting for my state, but may not be good. he is trying to say it's a state right issue. that's what a lot of them like. they like to hear about state right issues and toughen up the crack. mitt romney is trying the best he can. >> we will talk a little bit about gingrich's circuit. we asked in a visit to north korea, then secretary of state matlin all bright gave kim young il a basketball with a signature on it. he believes he is the greatest basketball player in the world. he was quite a golfer. you are watching "the daily rundown" on msnbc. 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house republicans prepare for a last showdown. even after the senate republicans reached a deal, snatching gridlock from the jaus of victory. by the way, the paycheck is on the line. newt gingrich goes after the judiciary. a popular boogie man in republican primaries. he will ignore supreme court rulings and wait until you see how he forces judges to testify before congress. it's monday, december 19th, 2011. let's get to the first read of the morning and it begins in north korea. jim jung ilturned his country into a state by starving and imprisonings his own people ha died. [speaking foreign language] >> that was a weeping anchor reader announced the death of the man known as dear leader on state television late sunday. according to that report, kim died of a heart attack after 17 years of rule. even his age is not known for sure. he had been in bad health since suffering from what was believed a stroke in 2008. kim's chosen successor, his youngest son, kim jong un. they conducted a short range missile test. he was elevated to senior military post and groomed as the heir apparent. they worried that a power struggle or the need to prove himself could lead to attacks on the south. the white house said we remain commitmented to stability on the korean peninsula and to the freedom and security of our allies. the president spoke to president lee at midnight our time. in washington meanwhile, it's deja vu all over again when the white house and congressional republicans would come to a deal and the game is stalemate on saturday. the senate passed this bipartisan compromise that extended the payroll tax for two months and jobless benefits short of the one-year goal, but by sunday after house republicans were briefed by the leadership, speaker boehner said it must be changed. the republicans in the house would support nothing less than a one-year extension. >> how can you do tax policy for two months? the president said we shouldn't go on vacation without getting our work done. let's do this for a year. >> the president said he would gree anything senate republicans approved. >> to play games with the middle class tax cut is very, very unfair. speaker bane in the presence of harry reid and mitch mcconnell said let mitch mcconnell negotiate it. he did and there was an agreement. >> last week boehner said this. >> if the senate passed, i am committed to bringing the house back within 24 hours to deal with whatever the senate does. there is absolutely no interest in trying to be striking about this. >> boehner was careful and never said he would support whatever senate republican deal was cut. that certainly was what he was trying to apply at least a lot of people heard that. the house is scheduled to take up the senate bill and leaders expected to fail. they could take up an amended version or vote to take it to congress and force a smaller group of senators and members of congress. in a statement the white house scolded house republicans, telling members to stop playing politics and get the job done. moments from now, the director will join me to talk about where we go from here to keep in this in mind. this was the number two leader in the house. he had been signalling he was not in favor of this extension even before senate republicans had passed it. he was sending those signals and members of the house republican conference were sending the signals and the deal was done anyway. that's one issue and another reason white house republicans may not want to do it, they got pummelled in public on this. they got hurt in the poll numbers even more. do they want to do it in two months. the race begins the last full week of campaigning before christmas. newt gingrich who is no longer surging and taking incoming from his rival in his first sunday show appearance in nearly two years, mitt romney called gingrich an unacceptable risk based on his past. >> he is unreliable and zany. i wouldn't think you call mirrors in space to light highways a practical idea. >> candidates in the back of the pack on bus tours. they scheduled an open conference call on saturday and trumpeted an issue that is popular with conservatives and that is going after the judiciary. on sunday he took the argument to television saying if elected, he would make judges more accountable and force them to appear to explain their decisions. >> how would you enforce that? would you send the capital police to arrest him? >> if you had to or instruct the justice department to send the u.s. marshal. >> an issue very, very popular and with republican primary voters. here's one other stat. the romney super pack has over $700,000 of negative ads on the books. newt gingrich has $21,000 of ads set to air. that's a 34-1 ratio. the iraq war came to an official close over the weekend. they question whether going war in the first place was the right decision. take a listen. >> going back saying what we know now, would we have invaded or not. at the time we department have the knowledge we have now. >> we will find with great sadness we lost several thousand young americans and many thousand more wounded undertaking a project we couldn't do. >> back to breaking news. the north korean nuclear crisis in the wake of kim jung il's death. the host of "andrea mitchell reports," the chief washington correspondent for the new york times to experts in the area. andrea, let's start with who really is in charge of north korea this morning. >> this is a collective leadership most likely and the military more so than the new leader. he is woefully unprepared and young and untested. that's why there is concern there will be provocative acts. you saw the one short range missile and the fire didn't land anywhere. the main issue to try to keep the south korean response if there is provocation to a minimum to get the chinese to intervene with their influence and this could be a very long transition. >> has there -- with other countries, you send a split between the civilian and the military leadership. what was kim jung il's relationship with the media? >> kim jung il put a military first policy in place. that meant almost all of the goodies that came into north korea that went to the military. that kept them together. he kept enormous funs together and the u.s. crack down on some of them during sanctions in the bush administration to pay off military leaders of the political views. the problem with kim jong un,he is in his late 20s and he doesn't have a deep relationship with any of these gentlemen. a few of themming issed that there might need to be a region. the bigger issue behind a split apart from any items, we never before really had a nuclear armed failed state. north korea is a failed state. >> now though. >> it only got the first nuclear test in 2006. it was a fizzle and did another one months into the obama administration. they think they have enough fuel for eight or ten weapons. the big fear is if you get a split, who is in control of that material? we don't know. >> andrea, i get the sense of how good or bad is our intelligence and how much is a full reliance? >> we rely on south koreans and the chinese. we don't have great transparency. we did know he was dead. the neighbors were all surprised. he had what we believe was a stroke in 2008. he had heart disease and cancer as david has written. according to american intelligence. we have been surprised over and over again by the fact that they have parallel nuclear program that is when they do tests, we have been surprised by the facility in syria. >> use the facility that the north koreans built in syria. the u.s. didn't have a clue until they dropped photographs. >> you reported that the u.s. officials have have been war gaming this scenario for years. what would happen when he died and what would the transition be? they are putting it into action. what does it mean? >> almost every scenario from north korea collapse that people think of that seems credible start with kim jung il's death. some play out over nears and some over a shored e shorter period. we don't know how long this is going to take. until two years ago, what did the cia know about kim jong un? one picture. that's it. >> you brought it up. >> that is a big concern for china. it's what does real china in and it's one of the leverage points we have. the last thing they want is this flood of starving people. the contrast between north and south in 2006 with bill richardson down to south korea, i have been there and i have flown. i have never done the drive. the contrast with the primitive society. people using hoes and rakes in the dirt. it's 17th century. >> this guy is going to keep us busy all week. >> i think for years. scary stuff. >> thank you both. up next, white house communications director and more of the white house reaction to the death of kim jung il, and what's going on on capitol hill and the issue of gridlock being snatched from the jaws of victory. plus -- we have a lot more on the presidential race. stay tuned. this is "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. what makes scottrade your smartphone's most powerful trading app ? total access - to everything. from idea to research to trade. including financials, indicators and real-time streaming quotes. whether you check your investments every day or every minute, our app can take them from thought to trade. at scottrade, seven-dollar trades are just the start. try our powerful mobile app. it's another reason more investors are saying... i'm with scottrade. 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>> speaker boehner's position on sunday was not what he had on saturday when the 89 senators came together to pass a two-month extension. let's think on that. the republican leadership, you can't get 89 votes for apple pie, but they did this with the understanding that the house would approve this two-month extension and speaker boehner got on the phone with his caucus and tried to sell it. he reversed his position and putting danger on a tax increase of $1,000 of the americans in like 12 days. >> you know for sure that mitch mcconnell and john kyle had boehner sign off on this deal? >> this was almost done publicly. the speeblger told senator reed to negotiate with mitch mcconnell. you have been in washington enough time without there being an understanding of the house leadership. in fact in that conference call, it is reported that speaker boehner urged his caucus to pass this and call it a victory and a good deal. when the tea party folks like alan west and it would have a damaging effect on our economy. not extending the tax cut would put us in n an uncomfortable and high concern. this is entirely on speaker boehner and the house. they are the one person standing in the way of this tax cut for americans. >> it is speaker boehner's job that counts as well. he didn't have the votes or he wouldn't have done what he did yesterday. what is your preferred -- you believe that there a mo ma jority in the house and not a majority of the majority? >> correct. leader pelosi said every democrat will support this. you only need a couple dozen to do it. i found it inconceivable that you have a couple of republicans to vote for a tax cut for the middle class. he may be unwilling to buck the tea party, but clearly a good opportunity it get it passed in the house. >> what is your preferred -- if this is an issue for him and he is not going to bring a bill to the floor that he doesn't feel will be a majority of the republican conference, what is your preferred method? do you want him to amend it? do you want him to vote to say let's go to conference which in washington speak means the senate and the house bill and a bunch of these guys getting to and try to hammer out a deal and you can't filibuster i believe. it might be that you can do it with a quick vote in both house and senate. >> our position is they should pass this two-month extension. this is the right thing to do and provides a rock solid guarantee to the american people that their taxes are not going up. it's interesting. you said does it have a majority? she not the speaker of the caucus, but the speaker of the house. he needs to lead enough people to join the democrats to do what he knows is the right thing to do. this is sitting here to get done. everyone can know their taxes are not going up on january 1st. >> do you think he doesn't want to lose conservatives from supporting him? >> i am not an expert on the house republican caucus, but it seems clear that when people call the shots, they are the folks in the tea party on the right. they revolted and the speaker went to their desires. he knows it's not in the best interest of the country. >> more in the house bill they pass? >> there elements that we are comfortable with. one of the things is the fact that just a few months ago senate, the house and the president agreed on spending levels. we shook hands and made a deal. the house bill breaks that deal. three months later. we are not going to abide by paying for a middle class tax cut by cutting initiatives. >> i have to leave it there. thanks for coming on this morning. >> thank you. >> newt's attack on the courts. how much and how well will it play with conservatives. the death of kim jung il, triggering instability on the markets. how wall street will open. in a 2000 visit to north korea, madeleine albright gave kim jung ila basketball signed by which nba all-star? 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[ female announcer ] phillips' colon health. >> we are minutes away from the opening bell. how much is north korea playing into it? >> it looked like they would have a big impact with the passing of kim jung il, but in the asian marks, that was a huge concern. it was weighing on the european marks, but things have shaken off and the dow will open up by about 25 points or so. we are worried about europe as we are every day. the talk in europe is that there is going to be a conference call among the eu finance chiefs to come up with the 200 billion euros with the funds. the uk said forget it, we are not putting any more money into the funds. we will be getting updates happening in the afternoon and europe that is happenidly approaching. the other thing is the housing market. we will be getting the national association of home builders building sentiment index. we will be getting housing starts from the commerce department and realtors's home sales for november. i bring up some of these home sales issues in the housing market because it's a key one for the markets to be watching. it's what a lot of people say including warren buffett needs to see improvement in the jobs picture and the senate bill that was passed in terms of what they want to see happening to pay for the payroll tax cuts being extend and puts a bit of a levy and sur changes on both fannie and freddie that could make mortgages cost about $17 more a month for any new mortgages and that is overlooked for the talk about what's happening on capitol hill. if you tax and put extra fees on mortgages, you are probably not going to see improvement in home prices any time soon. >> very, very fast, when will the market respond to what's going on? >> right now they are expecting that they will see something that happens before the end of the year. if not, look out. this is the time of year when we get into thin trade figure something doesn't happen this week. you are talking about thin trade. >> lots of overreaction. >> it's a lot of money that wouldn't be going into the economy. >> up next, florida congressman connie mac and how he sees the payroll tax and plus, romney scores the endorsement of the "des moines register." that's "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. tors recommend most for arthritis pain, think again. and take aleve. it's the one doctors recommend most for arthritis pain... two pills can last all day. ♪ for a hot dog cart. my mother said, "well, maybe we ought to buy this hot dog cart and set it up someplace." so my parents went to bank of america. they met with the branch manager and they said, "look, we've got this little hot dog cart, and it's on a really good corner. let's see if we can buy the property." and the branch manager said, "all right, i will take a chance with the two of you." and we've been loyal to bank of america for the last 71 years. a few other stories making headlines, syria agreed to allow arab observers as part of a deal to end the government's crack down on demonstrators. they signed the deal with the arab league after members threatened to ask the un to intervene. in cairo egyptian soldiers called to an end to military rule killing at least three protesters in tahrir square. they are trying to topple the state. >> america's war in iraq is officially over. the last convoy crossed the border from iraq into kuwait before dawn on sunday morning. this just in. nbc news learned that newt gingrich will pick up the endorsement j.c. watts jr. probably arguably one of the more prominent members of the class of 94. days away from christmas and the holiday deal is not done over the weekend, they passed the cut for two months and the house republicans are expected to defeat the plan after the house speaker described the effort as "kicking the can down the road." congressman, can you support this compromise deal that mitch mcconnell and marco rubio in the state of florida did? >> no, i can't. this is the same gamesmanship that has been happening in washington and i think everybody is fed up. everybody had enough of this. we are going to do a two-month extension. that's not fair to the american workers out there who is trying to plan for the year for next year. we are going to say here, we will let you keep that money for two months. then we will do this all over again. we should be able to extend this for a year, no problem. it doesn't seem that the white house or the democrats want to continue to create issues that shouldn't be there. >> why did senate republicans sign off on this? did they communicate with the senate republican leadership some a lot of people were left with the impression that when harry reid and mitch mcconnell could negotiate to, he would get it done. >> here's the thing. they didn't ask me. >> sorry that the problem. he didn't ask the conference before? >> the speaker and i wasn't sitting at that table. i can tell you this. when i'm back home in the district and around the state of florida, people are tired of this gamesmanship. they had enough of this. >> which part is gamesmanship. somebody could look at this and say no, house republicans are playing games. they thought a deal was cut and now the senate went home. >> the senators you know would not have gotten out of town. >> u.s. floridians think it's a game when they extend for two months and they will say you bet it's a game. this is on the senate. as much as they try to tor tray this, the senate decided they will do this for two months. this is the same thing we had with the tax policy and the debt and the deficits. it's this short fix and this new commission. let's get our job done. you comfortable bringing this to the floor? >> that's the prok progative of leadership. i think it should be voted on. >> if you are for or against the state. >> 'not? the people should know where we stand. the fact that the senate was to continue to play games and only think about this. this is the american worker out there who earned this money and they are being told we can't really agree on anything woo we will do two months. you for the extension? >> yeah. >> some say hey, as much as it is helpful, it does take a lot of money away from social security. >> that's a false argument. everybody know that is the trust fund is rated all the time and filled in with general revenue. it's a seive and not a lock box as people think. it leaks out money through the entire federal budget process. >> fair enough. let's move on to politics. you endorsed mitt romney. why not newt gingrich and who will be the better conservative? >> first of all, i think mitt romney has what it takes and what this country news. we need someone who understands how the economy works. understands how job creation works and it's not the government that creates jobs, but individuals and risk takers and the entrepreneur. mitt romney understands that. i am comfortable in supporting mitt romney for the presidency. you comfortable with newt gingrich as the nominee? >> less comfortable. my choice is mitt romney. whoever the nominee is, we will work for to try to beat obama. obama believes that government is the answer to every problem we have instead of believing in the individual. >> polls show you are way ahead with your republican challengers. again, i endorsed mid-romney and we are clear. >> you were a no and a yes. >> a friend of mine was in the race a& not being able to beat senator nelson who was a lock step liberal with president obama. i decided that we will make this and we can't afford to have senator nelson and barack obama. >> thanks for coming on. busier topics than we expected when we invited you last week. merry christmas. >> can newt shakt fallout over freddie mac. our political handle is up next, but first white house soup of the day. greek lentil stew. this is not a good year that we talk about the soup and the news are intertwining. just one phillips' colon health probiotic cap a day helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with three strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic." [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health. on this date in 1998, the house approves two articles of impeachment against president clinton, only the second time in american history the president has been impeached. the first was andrew johnson in 1868. >> rivals continue to play up ties to freddie mac on the trail. avoided understanding this scathing editorial in the "wall street journal." >> i will let the lawyers decide what is and is not lobbying. when it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, typically it's a duck. >> we earned the editorial by not stopping and handling this from day one. the facts are i didn't get that kind of money and went to a consulting firm and had officers and the share i got was relatively small. >> he is washington bureau chief for the comcast network and staff writer covering national politics. the author of the take. welcome all. listening to newt there talk about his consulting firm. >> it was his. >> now we know why haley barber didn't run. it is tough to be able to make that argument. my name is on the firm. >> didn't get much of those. we saw them and he tried to run. >> tough to make that. you write today on the gingrich campaign. it is now in the fourth and potentially decisive phase. the 30 was rebirth and fourth, testing is now under way. how is he doing? >> not particularly well. he is up against the onslaught of money in iowa. he has little money to come back at it and doesn't have debates to put himself forward. the debates were the vehicle for his rising and doesn't have that over two weeks. he has to fight in this old fashioned way. >> every report you have out of iowa, every republican that opens their mail box and get pounded and you turn on the tv, it's this giant ad by romney and ron paul. it's all hitting newt. >> i sat there to see what it was like for the voters and watched the evening news. it was constant. i saw a single newt gingrich ad and it was sort of a positive spot which was nice, but up against three of those romney super pack ads and three of the ron paul ads. there is this shadowy group of christians against gingrich. they go to every newt gingrich event and put flyers on people's cars. there two groups doing this. iowa caucus goers cannot avoid all the attacks. >> it's interesting to me to watch newt over the weekend shift gears and go after judges. we are familiar with what resonates with conservative voters. here's what he said about the fight and what to take to the judiciary. >> our judges are above the rest of the constitution and one of the three coequal branches. >> are the rest of us obeying the law? you have to say this is a nation of laws. >> we do, but i will go back to lincoln who think with respect to the law. lincoln explicitly instructed his administration to not enforce dread scott. >> very jars to hear speaker gingrich talk about weakening the branch of government, but bashing judges is popular. >> two things conservatives love to hate. abortion and gay marriage and thus in the process, judges obviously control that or decide on that on the basis. >> absolutely. >> to a certain degree newt is speaking to the base and talking their language. the question is whether or not the independent voter out there looks at newt gingrich as the reason why they can't vote he is two in the weeds. >> they may be tough in new hampshire. mitt romney yesterday had to deal with what is his conservative achilles heel in health care. here's how he answered the question yesterday. >> i like what our state did. it was right for our state. i will let others pursue their paths. >> that's four years ago. >> i like what we did and i'm proud of what we did. i won't texas what they have to do or california or new york. i think the ideas we put forth work. >> once again, he tried to walk that line and doesn't fully come out against the mandate in general as an idea, but he is up against it as a national federal mandate. is he ever going to satisfy some people with that answer? >> no and his assumption he has to ride through this. he found a comfortable place to be which is to say not flip flopping and to say what i did was wrong and i changed my mind. also to say i am where everybody else is on the obama health care plan and i have a better plan for what you do without that than anybody else. >> freddie mac or health care. what's negative resonating most with conservatives? >> i think the problem is you see newt gingrich defending freddie mac where romney backed off to a point where it seems to be splitting hairs, he has an explanation that can plausibly claim to be attacking obama care at the same time. >> with mitt romney for a second, what he is trying to do is speak to the social conservative and said what i did was interesting for my state, but may not be good. he is trying to say it's a state right issue. that's what a lot of them like. they like to hear about state right issues and toughen up the crack. mitt romney is trying the best he can. >> we will talk a little bit about gingrich's circuit. we asked in a visit to north korea, then secretary of state matlin all bright gave kim young il a basketball with a signature on it. he believes he is the greatest basketball player in the world. he was quite a golfer. you are watching "the daily rundown" on msnbc. 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