one-time shot to disarm. what president trump has been trying to do is create a warm atmosphere so kim would feel secure enough to give up his weapons. but we have seen the north koreans have been increasing fissile material production. they have been making progress on their most of destructive weapons. we have watched this and thought done have much about it. jon: kim watched moammar qaddafi give up his nuclear weapons and saw what happened to him. it would seem maybe in his mind there is not much motivation to give up a nuclear program. the biggest arsenal in the world didn t save the soviet union. we have not made kim jong-un face the choice of keeping his weapons or keeping power.
in other words, destroy them with independent inspectors on site. i know there s bad blood here but we know where that stuff is, don t we? we do not. we know where some of it is. we don t know where all of it is. but that s we would check their voracity obviously. we know where some things are. if they re not on the list that we know, then we know they re not telling us the truth. the north koreans are likely going to want to hold on even if they start denuclearizing and destroying their nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles, they ll likely want to hold on to some capability and we would have to be tough-minded about them and not making any consequential concessions to these guys until we really have the whole program. neil: as you and i have discussed, have the moammar qaddafi angst that he gave everything and got killed. let s ask about how they play
out in negotiations so that we have a plan to implement to achieve denuclearization or at least to reduce the nuclear threat. that s the tough part. that s what we re really looking at right now. so i m keeping an eye on those working groups that have been assembled between the u.s. and north korea to see if they re making progress. if they are, that s a good thing. arthel: does kim jong-un have reason to push back on the notion of him giving up his nuclear capabilities? well, i think most of my colleagues in security studies are skeptical. i totally understand that. you know, there s this notion that if he gives everything up, he could end up like saddam hussein or moammar qaddafi. i think what we want to do is test this proposition. north korea is the most opaque country in the world. we have no idea what the leader is thinking. maybe he wants to play us. maybe he wants to make an authentic change and try to
created a sense of urgency for kim jong un to get a nuclear record is the record of regime change in iraq, saddam hussein being pooled out of a hole, he sees other leaders like moammar qaddafi attacked by a mob in a drainage ditch. he doesn t want to become like them. he wants to hold onto power, and a nuclear weapon is the ultimate deterrent for having the united states try to tackle his own regime. america s history of preventive wars has backfired and created the situation we are in. mike: what about what nikki haley is doing in china and russia on the un security council, a problem the us has been dealing with for some time. china and russia are forms in the side when it comes to cooperating with issues like this. north korea in their region don t see the same threat the united states sees, but pompeo needs to be careful in his language. when he says north korea made promises to the world that is
about this with chris stirewalt who stuck around. he can t get away from me that easily. the north korean official still having a chance to talk to the president there as he says good-bye to themes as they delivered the letter to the president. obviously you can t tell anything in particular about a meeting that lasts over an hour. you can t imagine president trump sitting in there with someone that he doesn t feel like it was productive. and the president wants to take the message back, we re not going to kill you. the big gaffe before, people talking about the libya option where libya denuclearized. moammar qaddafi ended up dead. if you re the kim regime, you re brutal dictators. if some of the people got ahold to you, they would do dana: chris, take a look at the screen. the president calling over other