part of the reason why we re showing this because many stories in the middle east that need varyification upon death. this appears to be beyond the shadow of a death, muammar qaddafi on videotape after he was captured and shot in both legs and also, in the head. that is the image that came out about an hour ago that seems to support both the video and the still picture, both taken during day time and now out for the public to see. qaddafi is dead. martha: that is something. all right. as you know, muammar qaddafi over the course of his rein was charged with more risk crimes against his people. he has been accused ordering the kboming of pan am flight 103 that exploded in lockerbie, scotland, a few days before christmas in 1988. all 270 people aboard the plane were killed including the brother of our next guest. burt amer man joins us on
insurgency, because a lot of weapons are still abawntd in tripoli and in of course libya as a whole. the other challenge is going to be the behavior of the new government, the now transitional council will have to go quickly towards the path of democracy. will that be successful, that s the challenge ahead. martha: that s the bigger picture for libya this morning. we re getting more details about the actual event and we can t confirm these as of right now because there s a lot of moving parts in this story. but i want to read, aptn has an eyewitness account, according to their reporting of qaddafi and where he was shot and it says that he was shot and then they took off his shoe and hit him with it, after he was killed. they also go into details about who they believe was with them, a libyan defense minister, unclear of his condition now. your thoughts on the description of that scene. well, that is going to be very important details or
opportunity potentially for the president to comment on all of this. i will note my colleague wendell goler is traveling with state secretary of state hillary clinton. earlier she told wendell that if these reports are true that he was killed or captured this would of course be terrific for libyan people. she was careful to note that the libyan people in her words have a very steep hill to climb in the days ahead. martha. martha: indeed they do. we re looking at video coming in from libya. we see, some of these forces surrounding a gun. one can imagine why they re paying so much attention to this particular machine gun. it may be that they re attributing to being one that was in potential of muammar qaddafi. we ll get more information on exactly what we re looking at here. obviously jubilation in the streets of libya and in sirte and tripoli this morning. ed, obviously when the dust settles here the president and the administration can look upon this and no doubt they will present this
iraq when you have a megalomaniac who controls people for 40 years, just how tough a transition it is. martha: all right, we re having an audio problem, obviously with steve harrigan, we ll try to get him up an running. are you good now? okay. we ll try to get back to steve harrigan in a little while. he was in the middle of making a good point, which is we have seen what happened in iraq over the overthrow of saddam hussein, how difficult it is to build a form of democracy in a country, and that is the challenge that lies in front of the people of libya now. bill: we re getting a statement from john mccain. as far as i know, he s the first significant politician to put out a statement on this. and mccain is saying that the death of qaddafi marks an end of the first phase, the libyan revolution, he says while some fighting continues the libyan people have liberated their country. trish turner, our producer on the hill asked him how does he know because a lot of the reports are unconf
[gunfire] martha: selling bra story gunfire being shot into the air in the streets in libya as they celebrate moammar gadhafi is dead according to many reports on the ground. still waiting for confirmation from the white house, but a lot of jubilation in the streets at the moment. people have waited for it there for more than 40 years. i m joined now by florida senator marco rubio who was just in libya a couple of weeks ago. senator rubio, good morning. what are your thoughts on this today? well, i think it s closure, and i think it allows the libyan people to move to the next chapter of their history. one of the things people don t realize is that the transitional national council were not in