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wasn't plausible, wasn't believable but it was at least relatively co teernt. to recap, michael cohen and his surrogates on tv had been claiming for months that michael cohen, the president's attorney, facilitated as cohen put it $130,000 payment to stormy daniels who says she had an affair with the president 12 years ago. now, the money came out of cohen's pocket allegedly taken from a home equity line of credit we were told. the president had not repaid it. in fact, mr. trump knew nothing about it they claimed and despite coming as it did in the closing days of the campaign the payment supposedly had absolutely nothing to do with the election. nothing to do with skel change an embarrassing story 11 days before the election. on wednesday night rudy guiliani went on fox and said this to sean hannity about the daniels payoff. >> it's not campaign money. no campaign finance violation. >> they funneled it through a law firm. >> funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. >> oh, i didn't know -- he did?
>> yeah. >> the president repaid cohen, he said, so that that was the damage control. and it's a sign of how well it played that mr. guiliani was back on fox the very next morning to try to clean up his mess, except he didn't, he made an even bigger mess because he blew a hole in perhaps the most important claim that michael cohen had been making, that the original hush payment had nothing to do with the election. cue legal eagle, rudy guiliani. >> imagine if that came out on october 15th, 2016 in the middle of the last gate. cohen didn't even ask. cohen made it go away, he did his job. >> imagine if it came out then, just like that michael cohen's claim that it was just a coincidence this happened less than two weeks before the election became even more laughable. remember, cohen had said he could have made the payment months before but just happened to do it when he did it. just a short time after that fox appearance as all this was blowing up mayor guiliani told cnn he had, quote, carefully coordinated with the president
on his hannity appearance. quote, you won't see any daylight between me and the president, he said. so then yesterday the president put out that string of tweets which were in very lawyerly language expanding on what guiliani had laid out. today, though, the coordination broke down. first on the south lawn and then at joint base andrews, the president knowingly or not made a stunning admission, his surrogate while nice enough had his facts wrong. >> he started yesterday. he'll get his facts straight. he is a great guy. but what he does is he feels it's a very bad thing for our country -- >> i will tell you this, i will tell you this, when rudy made the statement, rudy is great, but rudy had just started and he wasn't totally familiar with every -- you know, with everything and rudy, we love rudy, he is a special guy. what he really understands is this is a witch-hunt. he understands that probably better than anybody. >> so the president of the united states sent out his
lawyer who didn't have the facts straight who had just started to clean up the mess with full confidence. he did not say exactly about what rudy guiliani did not have his facts straight about and guiliani is it not clarify matters with a statement late today. quote, there is no campaign violation, it reads. the payment was made to resolve a personal and false allegation in order to protect the president's family. it would have been done in any event, whether he was a candidate or not. my references to timing were not describing my understanding of the president's knowledge but instead my understanding of these matters. now, maybe it's because i did not go to law school, but i have no idea what that last sentence means. quote, my references to timing were not describing my understanding of the president's knowledge, but instead my understanding of these matters. guiliani was apparently referring to his claim on fox and friends yesterday that the president only fully learned about his repayments to cohen, monthly bills totaling nearly half a million dollars very recently. >> he didn't know the details of
this until we knew the details of it, which is a couple weeks ago. maybe not even a couple -- maybe ten days ago. >> okay. wait a minute. so rudy guiliani is saying that neither he nor the president explained -- i mean, they neither explained how it could be that the president who is not known as someone who throws his money around loosely or sometimes at all could have been paying all that money without knowing what it was for and didn't learn about what it was for until ten days ago. so when the lawsuit was filed against him and michael cohen, he never asked anyone about what had happened when he watched stormy daniels on "60 minutes" along with some 20 million other people, he never asked anyone if he had repaid michael cohen? that just seems hard to believe. this morning the president refused to clarify. >> when did you find out what the retainer was being -- >> you're going to find out because we're going to give a full list and people know and virtually everything said has been said incorrectly and it's
been said wrong or it's been covered wrong by the press. just like nbc and abc yesterday covered the story wrong. but you will be finding out. it's -- wait a minute. it's actually very simple. it's actually very simple. but there has been a lot of misinformation really, people wanting to say -- and i say, do you know what, learn before you speak. it's a lot easier. >> learn before you speak, it's a lot easier. the president says it's actually very simple. you would think if it's so simple rudy guiliani would have cleared it up in his multiple tv appearances or his multiple published statements. you now know that the president is someone who believes in thinking before speaking and not having the facts is short coming unless it comes to more than 3,000 false or misleading statements after taking office according to the new york post. >> in all fairness bob mueller worked for obama for eight years.
>> that's republican bob mueller nominated by republican george w. bush who served five years in the obama administration. always good to have your facts straight. now it seems he cannot even keep his story straight. sources tell us that the white house legal team is calling rudy guiliani's performance a fiasco, though apparently they're using stronger language than that, the word they're using rhymes with hit show. here is the cherry on top, the one person other than the president who truly knows everything says rudy guiliani doesn't know what he's talking about, we're talking about michael cohen talking to donny deutsch. according to donny deutsch he said, look, there are two people who know exactly what happened, myself and the president and you will be hearing my side of the story. more tonight on how the white house is handling all of this or mishandling, pamela brown joins us with that. the president saying guiliani needs to get his facts straight. according to your sources how prepared was he before he went on fox? >> not prepared at all. anderson, i'm told by a source familiar with the matter that he had very little information before he went out on fox to
discuss the stormy daniels matter. that he wasn't fully briefed up on all the details, had hasn't looked at paperwork surrounding the case, surrounding these payments and repayment. so essentially he was winging it and flying blind in a sense without having all of the facts. but as you pointed out, anderson, rudy guiliani said that he had coordinated this with the president but yet then the president came out today and undermined rudy guiliani, saying that he needs to get his facts straight before he goes out there and talks. he wasn't specific on how he needs to get his facts straight and, you know, whether he really did coordinate with rudy guiliani. he also sort of tried to explain it away, anderson, by saying he just started. look, he is brand-new, he went out there, just started, go i have him a break kind of thing. well, look, he started a couple of weeks ago, anderson, he has already met with robert mueller's team. rudy guiliani didn't just start when he gave that fox news interview. >> also, i mean, there's no --
there was no reason he had to go on fox news on that day to do this. so you would think if they're choosing to send him out on fox news, that he would have read some papers about it. what is behind -- i mean, do we know what's behind the shifting stories? >> right. and on top of that let's remember rudy guiliani isn't -- wasn't brought on board to be part of the stormy daniels case. i mean, all of that dealing with michael cohen, the payment, so forth, that's run out of new york. rudy guiliani was brought on to represent the president in the robert mueller investigation which makes it even more puzzling that he would go on and just bring up these details that only added confusion. it does seem like there are shifting stories. the president came out today and said the story hasn't changed at all, but best case scenario is it just created a lot of confusion because the president had said aboard air force one he didn't know about the payment michael cohen made to stormy
daniels, then you have his attorney if going on fox news a couple days ago saying that the president had repaid michael cohen for that payment and then we just saw cleanup ever since with that interview raising questions about whether the president lied and whether this was a campaign finance violation because it wasn't reported to the fec. then you had rudy guiliani himself attempt to go clean up with the statement he released today, anderson, saying that there is no campaign violation, that it would have been made whether the president was a candidate or not. and then going on to say the references to timing were not describing my understanding of the president's knowledge but yet he said he coordinated with the president, anderson. >> yeah, i mean, it's -- it's baffling. pam brown, thanks. two legal views now from alan dershowitz also norm eisen. professor dershowitz is author of many books, most recently
"trumped up." >> professor dershowitz, every day there is a shifting explanation and more confusion when it comes to the stormy daniels payment. is it even clear to you at this point what the president's official story is and has this back and forth with rudy guiliani opened him up to even more legal exposure? >> well, it certainly exposes him to criticism. they have not been speaking with one voice or presenting one clear narrative. i think the best narrative they have, i don't know whether it's true or not, is that this guy cohen was on retainer, he was the fixer, he was paid $35,000 a month to fix up all the problems and at the end of the year they would true up and find out if he paid more than he got and the president didn't want to know specifics about any particular cases, he just wanted everything to be fixed. you know, that really does create more political problems than it does legal problems. >> i mean, he has put his client in greater legal jeopardy and also i just don't even understand and i'm not sure they even understand what their stories are.
guiliani says absolutely this had to do with the campaign, then today he said no it didn't and he said also yesterday that the president only found out ten days ago, which is just ludicrous. >> the campaign finance argument, he exposed trump now to being part of a conspiracy with michael cohen. he even hinted that it had to do with the election when he went on fox and friends and talked about how it would have looked if it came out in october. he exposed mr. trump to a felony charge for filing false presidential financial statements because he admitted that there was a debt to mr. cohen that mr. trump knew about it, paid it back. it wasn't on his forms that he filed. and then perhaps worst of all most telling of all on the obstruction front he came up with a third and yet a different story that trump wanted comey to exonerate him. well, that's pressing for a
change in the investigation before it's done. that implicates on obstruction as well as the changing stories. what a disaster. >> professor dershowitz, i mean, to guiliani's point that making this payment and if it had been known during the campaign that, you know, it would have been -- it would have been terrible for the campaign, that flies in the face of everything that michael cohen has said, michael cohen's supporters have said, their whole line has been all along as incredulous an ridiculous as it sounded when they said this this had nothing to do with the campaign even though this deal was done 11 days before the election. >> nobody would believe that. that's not credible. the only credible story they could tell which would be helpful would be to say, look, mixed motives. he obviously didn't want his wife to find out about this, he didn't want his children to find out about this and he didn't want the american public to find out about this. so all of these things were relevant to why cohen paid the money so that she wouldn't
announce, but it was 15 days before the election and the idea that maybe they didn't tell the president about this 15 days before the election, here is an event that could undo his campaign and he doesn't get to know about it, it just flies in the face of cred ult. the idea that michael cohen is on this permanent retainer, the president said he did very little legal work for mr. trump, that he is on this permanent retainer, he just gets this money and mr. trump doesn't know anything about what he is a he doing. i can understand maybe not wanting to get involved in the details as they're happening but the idea that his attorney would not at least call him up and say, do you know what, that stormy daniels issue we took care of it, it was only $130,000, there is this other thing -- i mean, the idea that he wasn't informing him along the way now just seems ludicrous. >> anderson, it's just silly. they've tied themselves into a pretzel in order to cover for the president's statement on air force one standing there in the doorway of the cabin
unequivocally that he didn't know about the payments. now they have to tie themselves into a pretzel. they are simultaneously saying that the president, who once won a spy magazine contest for the cheapest celebrity in america, i believe he cashed a check for 13 cents, that he's going to dish out 35 grand a month without knowing why. it's absurd. i want to give alan some credit because in acknowledging how ridiculous it is that the president wouldn't know about this event from the get-go, he's playing it straight. of course the president knew about this, the problem is that as alan admits, the reality puts the president in deep, deep legal jeopardy. >> norm -- >> guiliani violated -- alan -- guiliani violated the first rule you taught me almost 30 years ago. first do no harm. >> but, norm, don't give me
credit. i'm not on trump's side. i'm not trying to help trump. i'm trying to tell the american public what the law is and what the truth is. i have to tell you that i really do think that if they had played this straight from the very beginning what he did was probably not illegal. when you get to hear that there is this kind of come out before the election and you know it will hurt your family, you know it will hurt your standing, if the president had been straight and paid the money directly in order to avoid this coming out, there would be no crime here. there would be no violation of election laws, there would be no violation of any other kind of laws. it's the story that gets them into increasing difficulties because they don't have a single voice. and the other thing i hope i taught you is when you're representing somebody in a very complicated case, you have to speak with one voice. it has to be a single narrative. it has to be clear and unambiguous. it should be in writing. it shouldn't be off the cuff. it shouldn't be hannity on
television and it shouldn't be this guy saying one thing and the people in the white house learning about it by watching it on television. this has been terribly mishandled. i'm not admitting anything, norm, i'm saying it because i'm not on his side. professor dershowitz, ambassador eisen, thanks very much. there is a political dimension obviously to all of this that is making even republicans a bit queasy, retiring moderate republicans from traditionally blue states. congress charlie dent for one. let's put the shoe on the other foot, he said if a democratic president had paid off a porn star to keep quiet while he was president i suspect we would have oversight hearings. i spoke with the congressman earlier this evening. >> congressman, i know you think congress should hold hearings to get to the bottom of the payment to stormy daniels. can you explain why you think it's congress' business to investigate. >> well, anderson, i would clarify what i said the other night. i said had the shoe been on the other foot, had a democratic president, you know, paid off, you know, a porn star for
$130,000 i'm sure we as republicans would be holding hearings ad nauseam. i'm not really crazy about the idea of hearings, although i think there's probably some level of oversight, committees may want to inquire about what exactly happened here. the bigger issue in my view is credibility. on the one hand the administration had repeatedly stated that michael cohen did this on his own, when frankly very few people believe that. i know very few people who believe that michael cohen out of the goodness of his heart paid the settlement out of his own pocket without the expectation of reimbursement. then it was divulged by rudy guiliani and i believe exactly what he said was that he was in fact -- cohen was in fact reimbursed. i think this is a bigger credibility issue for the president more than anything else. >> the president this morning said that when it comes to rudy guiliani he will, quote, get his facts right. the president didn't clarify exactly what julia en had gotten
wrong. i'm wondering how you interpret what the president is saying. >> that's a bit of a head spinner to me. i've known rudy guiliani for many years and i was one of the first people to endorse him members of congress when he ran for president in 2008. i have a high regard for the mayor, great job he did in new york city when he served there. so i think rudy guiliani was basically speaking truth as he understood it. you know, maybe he didn't say it as artfully as he did in his statement today, but i'm not sure exactly what rudy guiliani said the other day that was incorrect. >> and then he released another statement today, i guess in an effort as he put it to clarify what he had said over the past three days, which if you have to release a statement to clarify what you've been saying that's never a good thing. he said, quote, my references to timing were not describing my understanding of the president's knowledge but instead my understanding of these matters. does that clear up anything for you? because i've now read that several times and i still don't
quite understand what it means. >> i was trying to understand that, too. i mean, i think the basic issue that he conveyed the other night and then -- and then again today, he didn't change t which was this, that michael cohen received reimbursement for the payment to stormy daniels. that's the fact. but the truth is the president and others in his administration, press secretary and others had stated just the opposite, that he had no knowledge and the president made a statement on air force one that he didn't seem to have any knowledge or awareness of the whole situation. so i think that's really what the issue is is it comes back to the credibility issue. why would he have not -- why would they have denied any knowledge of this when, in fact, they did know. >> just big picture what do you think is going on here? is the president lying? is rudy guiliani lying? are they both lying? i mean, it just seems they've twisted themselves into pretzels
here. >> i think rudy guiliani was being truthful the other night. maybe he wasn't, again, it wasn't as artful or as delicate as he needed to be in his presentation, but, again, the bottom line is that michael cohen was reimbursed apparently by the president with individual money, not campaign money or corporate money, but his personal money. he reimbursed michael cohen. i mean, that's the story. i always felt that was the case and i don't know anybody -- i can't imagine many people in the country actually thought that michael cohen was going to pay a settlement on behalf of his client without the expectation of reimbursement. i never heard of any la you are who would do that. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. great to be with you as always. we will have more on this after the break including the big picture from carl bernstein who has been out ahead of the story from day one. later, a live report from hawaii's big island where a large earthquake just hit and a volcano conditions to erupt. extraordinary images we will show you ahead.
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a source telling cnn the team is calling it one play at a time, it's as if the players are executing the plays on their own. joining us to talk about it cnn political analyst carl bernstein. the third point in guiliani's statement was about the president's firing of james comey. guiliani wrote that the dismissal of director comey was clearly within the president's article 2 power. while that's certainly true earlier this week guiliani said that comey was fired because he wouldn't publicly acknowledge that the president wasn't under investigation. i'm wondering what you make of the evolving explanation here. >> i think that what we're seeing all together is lying, covering up, cover stories and contempt for the rule of law again by the president of the united states, now by rudy guiliani, by mr. cohen, and it's indicative of this president and this presidency's approach to everything having to do with the mueller investigation and the consequential stormy daniels investigation coming from the
mueller investigation as it were. and we are looking at lie after lie after lie and cover story after cover story after cover story invented by the president, invented by guiliani, invented by mr. cohen. the question is when is the president and the people around him going to say, hey, we're here to tell the truth, here is what happened about stormy daniels, but more importantly in the russia investigation. >> i mean, the president certainly is no shrinking violet when it comes do going after comey but if they weren't worried about comey's firing do you think guiliani would have included that line in his statement today. >> rudy guiliani is capable of being so reckless as we have seen throughout the campaign and as we are seeing now that it's very difficult to parse what he is doing and saying, except that he's trying to throw bombs into the mueller investigation. and that with his partner in this, the president of the united states, he's trying to satisfy what the president of
the united states wants him to do to help undermine and discredit the mueller investigation, the stormy daniels investigation, where they come together. the object of the president of the united states who has lied on a scale that no president in modern times that anybody has heard of about all things big and little, but particularly about this investigation of his conduct and the question of russian collusion and the coverup that has been going on in the white house, whether it's an obstruction of justice or not, that's the bottom line issue in all of this, including what we've seen on hannity with guiliani there and including what we've seen in these attempts to walk back these cover stories. it's all about lying and contempt for the rule of the law. >> and this morning the president said that guiliani will get his facts straight when it comes to stormy daniels -- >> that means a cover story. another cover story. what does it mean his facts straight? i can't believe as the congressman just noted, i know
of no serious republicans that i've talked to who believe anything about the nondisclosure story. >> carl, i have to interrupt. hang on, there's breaking news. right now on michael cohen and hundred, it comes from michael roth felled, the headline u.s. probes cohen over cash he built up during campaign. trump's lawyer took out lines of credit to secure access to as much as $774,000 as race heated up. michael roth felled joins us on the phone. michael, this is literally just been posted, i haven't been able to read the article. explain what you have learned. >> hi, anderson. what we reported is that michael cohen doubled his home equity line right as donald trump was in the height of his political fortunes rising and going into the primary campaign in february 2016. so he closed off his existing home equity line of $255,000 and took out a $500,000 home equity line and we know that he's said he used part of that to pay
stormy daniels nine months after that and furthermore rudy guiliani said this week that michael cohen settled other things for donald trump. we don't don't know whether he used the home equity line for that as well. >> it's interesting. i mean, again, michael cohen has all along said that he did this on his own without consultation with donald trump. this does sound, though, like a far more organized and premedicated, pre thought out plan to get a pool of money. is that a correct reading? >> it certainly seems that way. i mean, he, as i said, he -- he took out an additional $250,000 in ability to borrow against his apartment right at the time when trump was going into the republican primaries and successfully he had been holding a lead against his, you know, more experienced riflevie valls. it indicates that cohen may have been looking to have a stash of cash on hand essentially to
settle problems with throughout the campaign. we reported that tonight also that the southern district is looking at that more broadly in terms of cohen's ability to raise money, like how was he raising money through his own personal assets, like in medallions and real estate potentially to use that for settling problems for trump and whether any laws were broken in that regard. the other thing that we recorded in this story is that in november of 2015 cohen cosigned with his in-laws a mortgage in which they took $529,000 in cash out of an apartment at a trump building so essentially they got $500,000 three months earlier than that. we don't know how that money was used, but, again, the prosecutors are looking at cohen's cash flows, generally speaking, and how he used the money that was available to him. >> obviously you were just reporting what you know and i don't want to go down the road of speculation here, but it just is -- had it seems highly unusual -- it was highly unusual
when michael cohen said that he took out a home equity line of credit for the $130,000, it seems even more unusual that an attorney for somebody -- for a billionaire like mr. trump would stockpile his own money during a campaign if -- i mean, if the idea was to have this pool of money in order to handle things. it sounds like the pool of money would be to handle things without any association directly to mr. trump. >> yeah, and that's what's being investigated essentially. like was cohen doing these things kind of to keep anyone from finding out and, i mean, he has said -- i mean, yes, you're right, it's absolutely an unorthodox way to do things, i mean, period. a lawyer taking money off a home equity line to pay a former porn star is obviously not something that most lawyers would do, especially when, i mean, they essentially send their client a bill and say, you have to pay
this money. so that's definitely unorthodox, but, you know, it appears that cohen was -- at least what's being investigated is what was he doing, you know, secretly essentially. >> yeah. >> i mean, so that's -- that's where we are. >> right. and if it's unusual for an attorney to take $130,000 out for a particular deal, it's even more unusual for an attorney to in advance, you know, refinance his life basically in order to get a pool of money for whatever else may be coming down the pike during an election. i mean, it's really unheard of. i've never heard of an attorney let alone doing one deal using the home equity line but sort of stockpiling money for an effort is just extraordinary. >> yeah, that's right. i mean, but, you know, again, we have to say we don't know -- we know what he said he used 130 that would have allowed him another 100 and change on the home equity line. we don't know how that money might have been used and whether he used it for anything other
than that that you might tradititr traditionally use for and a home equity line. >> carl bernstein, what do you make of this? this has been just been breaking as we're talking. >> once again, the key to all of these investigations is follow the money and follow its lies and particularly when it comes to michael cohen and his relationship to the president of the united states, it's clear by now from what we know that cohen is absolutely essential to what the mueller investigation is doing as well as the southern district investigation in new york, that his use of funds on behalf of donald trump is going to be a big part of an ongoing story. and there's something else of great significance and that is the role of the "wall street journal" here. we keep hearing about fake news from the president of the united states throughout this investigation. in fact, the "wall street journal" with the "washington post," "the new york times," cnn, but the "wall street journal" which is owned by trump's friend rupert murdoch
has done great reporting, not fake news, throughout this year and i think we need to take a look at that, too, as part of this story. right now tonight. because what we are seeing is the effort by donald trump while these investigations are closing in on him in new york, in washington, with mueller, to undermine and throttle and overwhelm the duly constituted rule of law and investigations by the special prosecutor. and now here again we see where these investigations appear to be going and that includes the suggestions that we have of collusion and we don't know if michael cohen figures in the investigation of collusion or not. we know his travels are being looked at in eastern europe by the special prosecutor. so enough of the fake news. >> yeah. coming up next more from carl. we will also be joined by gloria borger. later the president speaks to
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we should say we don't know what he used the rest of this money for, whether it was something relating to president trump or not, but certainly the timing of all this is really interesting. >> right. that's what's the most interesting thing to me aside from the large amount of the sums, of course, of money here is the timing in the "wall street journal" piece which is that the money that cohen started receiving was around february 2016, which as we both know having been there was when his fortunes and his poll numbers started to rise as a presidential candidate. we know he won the new hampshire primary on february 9th, for example, and he became suddenly a serious sacandidate out of al of these 17 candidates. nobody was dismissing him anymore. the question you have to raise is that we thought this was a campaign and i've been told this by people in the campaign, you know, we never expected to win. we never expected to win. and suddenly when he became a
serious candidate, well, maybe they did expect to win and maybe there were other things that had to be dealt with. i mean, i'm jumping to a conclusion here and i shouldn't because this is not my reporting, but i think you have to ask the question about why anyone would need access to the cash and i think they are going to be looking into it according to the "wall street journal," you know, bank fraud about whether cohen was misstating the reasons he needed the money. >> right. carl, if the money was for -- and we know $130,000 of that home equity line was for the stormy daniels payment ultimately which, you know -- but if the money was for other things related to candidate trump, it does raise the question why was this attorney doing this with his own money instead of just having mr. trump set aside a certain amount of money for him to operate with. and i assume the answer to that
would be to have some deniability between the two. >> this has from the "wall street journal" account all the appearances of a campaign slush fund, to pay for nefarious acts that the candidate did not know -- did not want known and the payments were made through his fixer. that is what the "wall street journal" story points toward and it's very interesting because in watergate the key to watergate that really broke everything open was the discovery of a slush fund that was used for nefarious purposes that was meant to be hidden and it carried out the wishes of the candidate. now, that -- i don't want to speculate on where this is going to go, what it means, but it is all part of a pattern that we are seeing in this investigation and dwr from the beginning michael cohen has been key to everything having to do with
nefarious activities in the trump campaign and also figures in the russian investigation. so these matters are coming together now as more and more reporting is being done by the "wall street journal" and other news organizations and by the special prosecutor. >> let me push back on that a little bit. a, you used the term "nefarious." signing an nda with stormy daniels that's not nefarious so we don't know what beyond the $130,000 for stormy daniels for the nda we don't know what the rest of this money was actually for. >> no, but i think we could characterize given what we know about the nda with stormy daniels that this would fall into the nefarious category, certainly until shown otherwise. all i'm suggesting here is the presence of what the "wall street journal" story would seem to have identified as what really looks -- has the appearance of a slush fund. >> and, you know, by the way, anderson, when michael cohen
said that he paid for the $130,000 out of his own -- out of his own pocket, this "wall street journal" story may actually prove that. that, in fact, he did and that, in fact, he may have taken care of other business with this. i mean, we don't know the reasons he took all this money out, but it may prove his point. >> the assumption all along was that he took out a home equity line of credit in order to raise the $130,000 to pay stormy daniels, but again, this seems to indicate this was done before and raised a lot more money than the $130,000. >> and raised a lot more money, for what reason -- it could have been personal, but we don't know. >> carl bernstein, thank you. gloria, we will talk more about this in the next hour. coming up what the president said to the nra and what two survivors of the parkland shooting think about what he's saying now. you've been saving for, you can do it. we can do this. at fidelity, our online planning tools are clear and straightforward so you can plan for retirement while saving for the things you want to do today. -whoo!
>> we didn't address it, mr. president. >> because you are afraid of the nra. >> well, fast forward to today, here is what the president said at the nra convention in dallas. >> democrats and liberals in congress want to disarm law abiding americans at the same time they are releasing dangerous criminal aliens and savage gang members on to our streets. >> your second amendment rights are under siege, but they will never ever be under siege as long as i'm your president. >> no mention of those changes he had once called for after the shooting. here is what he said about parkland. >> we're working to improve early warning systems so that when the police are called, when the community sees the red flags, which they saw in parkland all over the place, there has never been a case where more red flags have been
shown, swift action is taken by the authorities. i recently signed legislation that includes more than $2 billion to improve school safety, including the funding for training and metal detectors and security and mental health, mental health is a big one. they don't like to talk about mental health. mental health, that was the number one example in parkland. >> joining me now stoneman douglas high school students david hogg and cameron caskey. we heard from the president shortly after the shooting at the high school, obviously he struck a very different tone than he did today. back then i talked to you you thought he was heading in the right direction when it came to gun control. what do you think today? >> well, you know, he was saying some things that implied that he was stepping forward into the right direction for gun safety in this country and then he had a meeting with some nra officials, a private meeting,
and afterwards he came and claimed that the second amendment was under siege and he was going to defend it. so as to whether or not the nra meeting changed his views, that's kind of up to speculation, but i will tell you that is hopefully the first russian-funded group he has met with. >> and i would like to say i think it really shows what he's doing right now proves where his heart and wallet are and that's in the exact same place. one of the interesting things i thought trump brought it how we don't talk about mental health i didn't tell in one of the recent spending bills they had they cut mental health spending for schools by over $25 million that doesn't sound like improving the mental health system for schools to me. >> cameron, when the president was in that meeting with democrats and republicans he castigated the republicans saying you're scared of the nra. do you believe today he showed that he is scared of the nra? >> i think he is very interested in the money that the nra will bring him and that the nra in turn gets from gun manufacturers. you know, the gun -- the nra
used to boast itself as being an average joe coalition of americans who are trying to protect their second amendment rights and now you will see that they are getting a lot of kickbacks from gun manufacturers. so i don't necessarily think trump is scared of the nra, i think trump is very >> i think people in the situation that would be scared would be the nra. theories this is the first time they had the and vice president come out to the annual convention for the nra. what they are seeing is they are worried because the support we've been getting and the support we'll have in mid-terms. like it or not we don't care if you are exact or republican if you are sported with the nra, you don't stand with kids you stand with the gun manufacturers and people making money off this fear and tragedy that per pet 80s itself. >> david that's where your focus is now. there was a lot of concern i think among supporters of gun safety, gun control, and people who are at the march that after
the march that sort of interest would wane. for yoekz is on mid-terms. is that right? >> exactly. and right now what we are trying to do we have the ambitious goal of getting 90% of high schoolers registered to vote by june. i think it's something we can do. there is over 26,000 high schools across perk. we need every one of them to sign up through head count to create their own voter registration vote to ensure kids get out and vote regardless of opinions. i think one thing we can support on both sides of the ace sell voter participation. right now 18% of 18 to 24-year-olds participate in mid-terms and that's unacceptable. >> the thing is this is just simply about doing your civic duty and voting. and we can get a lot of people registered to vote. but they don't show up at polls when they need to. another thing we are focusing on is making it accessible and easier and making sure people are educated with the vote. and they use the resources we
easily access to know who they're voting for, following everything the candidate is doing and have an educated and effective vote. >> well, cameron kasky david hogg, i appreciate your time ton. thanks for being with us. >> thank you very much. >> we have more breaking news, a disaster on the hawaii big island, a volcano spews lof, toxic gas, the latest from hawaii when we continue. 6,000 feet above sea level. but how do you really know that the beans journeyed to the port of mombasa and across the pacific? that you can trust they're 100% authentic? ibm blockchain. a smart way to track every step, ensuring this coffee did indeed come from 6,000 feet above sea level. and not a foot lower. ♪ ♪
volcano. video from earlier this week shows walls of moek and the vent collapses. leaving behind a red rocky surface similar to mars with gaping holes giving a glimpse of the orange liquid magma smoldering below. the time laps shot last week shows the gushing river of lava flowing as night turns to day. residents flee homes as forests burn and roads break open. >> can you feel the heat from the ground. yeah, there's heat come up out of this. >> officials warn the sulfur die ox i'd levels are dangerous. they have closed large sections of the hawaii volcano national park. more than 700 structures and 1,700 people are within the mandatory evacuation area. >> now we have about 100 people up at the facility at the shelters. we just quiet another wave of them that got evacuate the
because of the volcano and erupting more on the street. >> lava is coming out in lelani this is real. >> he at the center are these estates. a resident captured this lava fountain shooting a hundred feet in the air. >> all we heard down the road was boom. what is that? all of a sudden we smell -- we smelled the sulfur. we knew something was happening. within minutes we seen smoke. and now we see all this lava coming across the street. and it's pumping right now. this fissure is opening up. and this is the next eruption. >> the eruptions are part of a massive geological event set off by the collapse of the crater floor. that led to hundreds of earthquakes jolting the big island. >> the tough part about this eruption is it's unpredictable. we don't know which the lava is going to flow.
we are planning actively for every contingency we can think of. >> reporter: and that's an important point there anderson. officials are saying even the most experienced people who study these volcanoes cannot know where the next fissure may rurp and they are dealing with a fourth that opened in the last couple of hours here. and because of that last 6.9 earthquake some 14,000 people lost their power. they're working to get it back on in those places but at the same time they have to watch out for air quality and also the earthquakes and of course if any more fissures open up. >> incredible to see that stephanie thanks. up next the update on the breaking news tide to the wall street reporting that president trump's attorney michael cohen was stock piling money as he sought to fix problems for his boss during the presidential campaign. every fire department every police department
Trump-doesn-tMichael-cohenPaymentStormy-danielsWasnt-believableSurrogatesTvRecapCo-teerntWasnt-plausible30000130000nothing wrong. how could this be? now we know how it is. because these people fixed it. that's how it is. read this, if you're not disgusted, and you don't demand that the justice department begin this investigation, and suspend the one of the president and all the people that have been tortured by it. i believe that rod rosenstein and jeff sessions have a chance to redeem themselves and that chance comes about tomorrow it doesn't go beyond tomorrow. tomorrow, mueller should be suspended and honest people should be brought in, impartial people to investigate these people like strzok. strzok should be in jail by the end of next week. >> rudy giuliani, i mean rudy giuliani is shaming himself as usual. rudy giuliani is making a fool of himself. rudy giuliani is lying to the american people. rudy giuliani is, is trashing the entire fbi because of a couple of fbi agents who were fired last year. rudy giuliani is no fool.
though he plays one on television. he knows that fbi agents also during the campaign were trashing hillary clinton in new york. it was a common occurrence. rudy giuliani, unless he's a fool also knows that while barack obama was president of the united states, c.i.a. agents regularly trashed barack obama. i know because they trashed barack obama to me. fbi agents did the same. guess what, during the build-up to the gulf war you know who the c.i.a. agents and fbi agents trashed? george w. bush. you are all are acting like such snowflakes it's as if the prime minister of canada said something mean to you, you're asking like it's the first time it's ever happened. a phony investigation? let me hold up lots of papers, rudy thimpgs you're too stupid to not be like brought into this tizzy, because he holds up lots of papers. if you read this.
because i've writ tn down here. you'll find out that they've already in this phony investigation of rudy giuliani, have already been 13 russians indicted. that's a hell of a phony investigation. 13 indicted by americans in a grand jury overseen by an american judge. 13 russians indicted. oh, an additional russian indicted. oh, wait, hold on a second, this information that i'm reading here that you should be blown away by also shows that the man that ran donald trump's national security agency, indicted. pled guilty in this phony investigation and is now cooperating with federal authorities. but wait. there's more. the man that donald trump said was running his natural security team. head of foreign policy. george papadopoulos he told the
"washington post," indicted, pled guilty and is now cooperating with feds. boy, that's some phony investigation. but wait, there's more. one of donald trump's top campaign managers during the 2016 campaign has pled guilty. and is now cooperating with authorities. why, that's some funny witch hunt. oh, wait, there's more. paul manafort, the man who is running the campaign, jon heilemann, the man who donald trump said he had to get on board, so he could win the republican nomination, is going back into court today, he's been indicted by a grand jury of americans, of americans, with an american judge, listening in, been indicted and man ffrt is going to go to jail today. now i don't know who is stupid
enough to listen to rudy giuliani and believe rudy giuliani. but i'm asking, if you are stupid enough to believe that, ladies and gentlemen, then i'm going to ask my judge to get your phone number and cast you in i had okayidiocracy ii. because i don't believe there's anyone that stupid. >> well unfortunately, whether you call them stupid or not, this -- >> you have to be stupid with 20 indictments by americans -- >> dude, i'm with you. >> by american grand juries, you have to be stupid and also i'm sorry, but didn't the fbi help elect donald trump? that's, you know i think that's the most frustrating thing. that the very, the very breach of protocol of james comey, had him send out a letter, ten days before, when the fbi was sitting on that information for 20 days
from peter strzok that we did not know about that donald trump and his allies are going to seize on and talk about all day long today in which strzok said in some tone that we can't tell either with the tone of intent and seriousness, or a throw-away line. who knows. >> let me ask you this -- let me ask you this, this is for the stupid people, who actually believe this. i got to say some of you people tweeting yesterday -- stop shaming yourself. just stop shaming yourself. you're embarrassing yourself because the bottom line of this report was that james comey elected donald trump. let me ask you something, if you get a text message from somebody who works for me -- >> i sometimes do. >> and they say the sun rises in the west, but you don't get that text message from me and you know that i know the sun rises in the east. are you going to freak out? are you going to call me up and then when i actually tell you yes, the sun rises in the east, are you going to be freaking out
about the people who work for me? are people that worked for me in congress? or does what i say matter the most? you actually have the guy running the fbi, that threw the election for donald trump and yet a couple of subordinates that are making out are texting each other, stupid nasty things. >> i said more than that. it's not even that i think that comey -- i don't even believe that comey's intent was, and there's nothing in the ig report that suggests that his intent was even to throw the election for donald trump. but the reality of it is, there's no -- >> there's no demonstration in anything that's been written here that strzok actually did anything after sending this text to accomplish what he said he was going to accomplish. >> the fact that the ig says -- absolutely willie, no documentary evidence, no evidence of any kind. again if you look -- here's a quote and i know you guys would love to hear it i'm going to say is it just for you, our review did not find documentary or
testimonial evidence directly connecting the views of these employees to specific investigative decisions we reviewed. in fact if you look at the record, willie, in fact what happen happened after those text messages were sent, james comey launched the greatest october surprise in the history of american politics and it ripped to shreds hillary clinton's campaign. >> and that is the headline out of the justice department's ig report. it says as jon says about as predictable it could get that rudy giuliani and the white house would seize on these texts from lisa page and peter strzok, that they believe shows corruption inside the fbi and corruption now with the mueller investigation because they worked on it. although last summer immediately when he found out, robert mueller threw them off this investigation. so michael schmidt -- >> one just quickly just to say this, just -- talk is cheap, you know, talk is cheap. any investigation in any circumstance that we can have.
people talk, they say stuff all the time. the question in this report is, what's the noise, what's the white noise among various employees, various people in the fbi and what was the action? what actually occurred as opposed to what were people saying in -- what did comey do as opposed to what did some of the staffers say. >> protocol in a way that destroyed hillary clinton's campaign ten days out and everybody knows it. >> the ig report calls james comey insubordinate, critical not just of the two letters on the eve of the election, but also the july press conference, they said it was inappropriate that he didn't need to come out and make public statements about that you've combed through this thing. with a are your headlines from the ig report. >> if you didn't like comey before, you're not going to like him now. but it's a judgment question, there's nothing new in this report that shows that comey lied that he distorted anything.
so in terms of a witness, he hasn't really moved that much. he's incredibly important to the mueller investigation. he is the central person in the obstruction question. the firing of comey, asking comey to end the investigation. we don't find comey to be a liar. back on your point, the president's lawyers told mueller in january that he believes he has the power to end any type of investigation. he uses his power to pard ton do that as well. if he thinks this is a witch hunt and he looks at this document, he does have the power to call rod rosenstein or call jeff sessions and say put an end to this. if rudy is saying that, why doesn't the president do that himself. he controls the executive branch. >> you know why he doesn't? he knows it would be obstruction of justice. he knows that his campaign manager who he said was critical for him getting elected, getting the republican nomination, is being marched into court today. >> but it's not obstruction of justice if he has his lawyer out
there, saying the attorney general and the deputy attorney general -- >> it's all obstruction of justice. it's all obstruction of justice and the fact that more people aren't shocked and the fact that the republican party, susan, that is just lost its soul, i mean paul ryan, my god, asked about this, he trashes the entire fbi, as shameless as he is. asked about the epa director, he said, duh, i've been too busy to pay -- he's been too busy to pay attention? my dog could tell you half of the things that pruitt has done. it's see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. >> and that really started with speaker ryan when he allowed those confidential memos or anything to be released to memo form that was probably out of the, out of committee, he let nunes do that, that was probably the beginning of the end of that. what i think we're going forward looking at the ig report and the way rudy giuliani tied it into
mueller and to other things, is that this now is actually all playing into donald trump's hands, because people aren't able to process all of these things. we also have the attorney general of new york come out with an indictment against donald trump's charity. >> how many, it's hard to count, how many criminal charges could the irs bring against donald trump because of those -- >> that is -- it should be noted that this wasn't criminal. this is on the civil side. and there are tons of issues on the taxes. because he used some of those foundation expenses to cover businesses, i wonder if that really opens up an avenue to explore his tax returns. and if the new york ag starts going into his business tax returns that's going to be a whole different situation for trump and how it plays into the mueller investigation. >> so watching paul ryan, who ran as mitt romney's vice presidential running mate -- >> it's hard to remember. >> served as speaker of the
house, seemed to be a leader and a good man, is really a heart-breaking political decline. and that's saying it nicely. here's his statement in part about alleged bias at the fbi. >> i know that the fbi is home to many dedicated public servants and director chris wray now has an enormous responsibility to earn back the public's trust in this institution. >> willie, i think paul ryan needs to understand, the public does trust the fbi. it's just the president of the united states that doesn't trust the fbi. >> paul ryan knows that. >> it's syncophants and lackeys on capitol hill who are trashing the fbi every day. >> paul ryan is helping the president with the notion that the fbi is corrupt. >> your love of country is coming through today. coming through for the united states of america. >> you mentioned the epa stuff, it's staggering, he said he
hadn't heard of any of the scott pruitt scandals. >> director christopher wray seemed to agree with how much the ig report actually impugned the entire fbi. let's see. >> the ig report makes clear that we've got some work to do. let's also be clear on the scope of this report, it's focused on a specific set of events back in 2016, a small number of fbi employees connected to those events, nothing, nothing in this report impugns the integrity of our workforce as a whole, or the fbi as an institution. >> christopher wray is out there standing alone. i said he agreed, he disagreed with what paul ryan said. to take up for the fbi. >> he's donald trump's appointee, right? trump appointed him. i'm write rite about that. >> donald trump appointed him. donald trump talks about this --
hold on, let me go through the democrats, christopher wray, no he's a republican. donald trump appointed. the attorney general is, no, way, jeff sessions he appointed, rod rosenstein, no, he's a republican, too. rod rosenstein is a republican, too. they're all republicans. >> jim comey? >> republican. >> jon meachum, how you doing this morning? >> i tell you what, jon? >> anything going on up there? >> you have an ig report that comes out. and it is completely twisted by the president of the united states. they try to pick two people, two underlings, who were idiots, texting each other. and saying horrible things about donald trump. just like fbi agents and c.i.a. agents said horrible things about barack obama, especially the new york office.
just like c.i.a. and fbi agents said horrible things about george w. bush in the lead-up to the iraq war. there was a civil war inside the c.i.a. about george w. bush. there were constant leaks against george w. bush. starting in the fall of 2002. these things happen, jon. and you've got rudy giuliani with his bulging eyeballs, acting like a snowflake, like this is the first time that this has happened in any bureaucracy. it's happened in the state department since thomas jefferson walked in there. >> yeah. actually you know he started, jefferson started a newspaper to fight hamilton while he was in the state department. i think three things happened this week that are hugely important. that we will actually look back on as we dot history of this era. one is we have yet another affirmation of why donald trump is president. and jim comey for all of his
service to the country, bears a good bit of responsibility for that fact of our national existence right now. and that's a hugely important thing we should stop. judge walsh, back in 19 92, came made an announcement that he was reindicting casper weinberger in the last minutes of the bush/clinton/perot race. that's paint ball, it barely left a bruise this is serious, the other is that the attorney general of the united states decides bizarrely to invoke holy scripture to talk about the one of the most striking human rights abuses that our government has been part of in a very long time. and that's just -- you know, shakespeare said the devil can quote scripture to his purpose and we saw that this week. and the third thing is bob corker of tennessee who is on his way out, used a really
important word about the republican party. "cultish." he said that the party is becoming a cultish thing. in regard to trump. and you saw that with the sanford news in south carolina. you saw it with paul ryan. and you're going to see that text message which could stop him. which can could be the twisting in the wind phrase of this whole scandal, is going to live forever on the right wing. the question is that right wing going to be the 35% that was always with joe mccarthy? or is it going to be closer to 45 or 48%? this is really a war for that 13. >> jon meachum, we'll stop him, turned into, we elected him. >> we'll elect him. >> no, we elected him. james comey elected him. the ig report shows they had, the abedin/wiener emails for a
month. they sat on it. if this that letter had been sent when they were reviewing them, then hillary clinton most likely still would have won the election. they were dropped -- when all of these women came out on sexual harassment charges on donald trump and i said and i think it was like -- probably a month, month and a half beforehand. i said you know if they had dropped these ten days before, said it in real-time if they had dropped these ten days before, he wouldn't recover from it. so comey drops a letter ten days before. and i'm sorry, i don't know what's going on in james comey's mind, i know he's a showboater, but anybody that knows anything about politics knows, you drop something like that ten days before -- there's no recovering. >> it's, you know, in a different way, it's like the
2000 election. a compelling case could be made is that the reason that george w. bush lost the popular vote in 2000 was the thursday or friday night before the election, the news of his d.u.i. came out. and you know, that the bush people will tell you that it lost, they thought, maybe three or four million votes among particularly religious folks who were so tired of political figures not seeming to be what they were. and bush had to dig out of that. so you're right, anything that happens in those last hours, and the larger issue you raise, we're in a real stress test here. is can the public separate the tech, a stray text message from an fbi agent, from the larger question, the 13 indictments and more coming? or will rudy giuliani
successfully obfuscate everything into one big miasma in which the trump base becomes so impervious to reason that even when they're hit over the head with it, they can't find it. >> we had times when evangelicals were so shocked and stunned they wouldn't vote for a man who had a d.u.i. back in college. and now pay-offs to porn stars and -- >> grabbing them by the -- whatever. locker room talk. you go on and on. attacking people viciously. ripping babies from mothers' arms at the border. that only makes evangelicaling love him even more. >> what do they say, joe? we elected a president, not a saint. michael, this ig report it seems to me is yet another political rorschach test for our tribal times is that supporters of
hillary clinton will see rightly will in here, that james comey put his thumb on the scale and perhaps prevented her from becoming president and trump supporters will listen to what rudy giuliani and the white house say is look there's corruption, there's corruption inside the fbi, therefore mueller either out to go or if he stays, you ought not listen to what his conclusions are. >> on either side if you want to understand this report, you want to understand what happened before the election, you have to look at the incredible nuance of this. the complexities of individuals sending politically-tinged text messages and not executing things in an investigation that are to that end. and that is a very difficult thing for people to get their heads around. and especially in these times with both sides hitting it. i don't think anyone is going to look at it with clear eyes. and until that happens, no one will be satisfied with the 2016 election. especially the left. >> michael schmidt. thank you very much for being on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> what's going to happen today
with manafort? >> with manafort? >> it looks like you know, pretty strong case that the government has, i think more importantly than that, it shows how aggressive mueller's guys are being. and it just makes you wonder what else they're doing. if they'rele to be this aggressive with manafort on this type of issue, and throw him in jail, what else is going on? >> what about in the southern district of new york, a lot of talk that the president's former lawyer is going to start cooperating with the feds? i think that michael cohen has an enormous amount of pressure under him. as someone who i spoke to who deals with all this craziness said -- the guys who talk the toughest at the beginning are often the first ones to go. and michael talked pretty tough at the beginning. >> well still ahead on "morning joe," we circle back to where we started, the white house pretending it is not responsible for its own policy of separating immigrant children from their
families. plus the latest plan for a new tent city to house some of those children. up next, paul ryan apparently hasn't read the newspaper for the past few months. >> frankly, i haven't paid that close attention to it. i would refer you to the authorizing committee that oversees the epa. i'm glad with kind of a regulatory position they've taken, but i don't know enough about what pruitt has or has not done to give you a good comment singular focus. to do whatever it takes, use every possible resource. to fight cancer. and never lose sight of the patients we're fighting for. our cancer treatment specialists share the same vision. experts from all over the world, working closely together to deliver truly personalized cancer care. and these are the specialists we're proud to call our own. expert medicine works here. learn more at cancercenter.com appointments available now.
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you immunity from arrest and prosecution. bringing children with you doesn't guarantee you won't get prosecuted. i would cite you to the apostle paul in his clear and wise command in romans 13, to obey the laws of the government, because god has ordained the government for his purposes. >> i can say that it is very biblical to enforce the law, that's repeated a number of times throughout the bible. however -- hold on, jim if you'll let me finish. i'm not going to comment on the attorney's specific comments that i haven't seen. that's not what i said, i know it's hard for to you understand, even short sentences i guess, but please don't take my words out of context, but the separation of illegal alien families is the product of the same legal loopholes that democrats refuse to close, in these laws are the same that have been on the books for over a decade and the president is simply enforcing them.
>> let's see, so the game plan at the white house we saw there is one, you lie about what the law is and what the law isn't. when questioned about your lies, and the misquoting of the bible, you insult a reporter. and then you quote the bible again. you know it's interesting, jon meachum, you're of course the biblical scholar here. what we're talking about children if they want -- there's so many bible verses that completely contradict the actions of donald trump and his administration, joevangelicals know it if they've actually read the bible lately. you could go to luke 17 where jesus says it would be better for millstones to be hung around their necks and they be thrown to the bottom of the sea, if anyone were to cause a little child to stumble.
i mean -- the sermon writes itself. and you can even be out in time to have 14 stanzas of "just as i am" and get to morrison's cafeteria by 12:05. >> nothing better than morrison's. the cube jelly? jell-o? >> here's another one from the psalms, put not thy trust in princes, full stop. this is a totally elective problem. the attorney general has created here. why is the apostle paul being invoked here at all? i just don't understand it. and i believe firmly as you know, and you do, that you can't separate religion from politics. this is just at a moment when are just as divided as we are, and we weren't in, and the administration seems to have such a hard time with the
fundamental issue of accuracy and truth, i would stay as far away from the bible as possible. >> yeah, just stay away from it. >> don't throw jesus under the bus on your immigration policy. or a refugee policy. that is anti-american. the refugee policy is anti-american. again, i believe in strong borders. i want to be tough and stop illegal immigration. but like a lot of other people, i don't -- that have that position, i don't want little children ripped from their parents' arms, i don't want them marched off to quote "showers." on our refugee policy, again, if they're quoting the bible, i'm sorry, you'd say in court, the attorney general opened the door, let us walk through that door that he opened. what is one of the first stories that we are taught as children
in sunday school or in vacation bible school? it's the story of good samaritan. and what does jesus say on the sermon of the mount? he talks about not loving your friends, he says even the sinners do that. love your enemies. that's the central premise of the new testament. so if the attorney general wants to open up the bible and start talking about it, i guarantee you, he's got, jon, a losing case. >> one of the things that i think, another one of these big generational questions is going to be, what do, when evangelical christians who support the president actually have a reckoning, which presumably they will. will they have to ask themselves is, was the supreme court worth it? was that seat worth it? >> no, it was not. >> that's the bargain they made. they sold their souls for a seat on the supreme court. >> you can look at the history,
jon, as i know you do, the church when it was being persecuted by rome, and the roman empire, grew. when the roman empire swallowed up the church and it became actually a status symbol within the roman empire, within government, to become a christian, that's when the church got corrupted. it's also when the roman empire began to fall. >> since we're on this dorky subject, and i know this will upset mika that i'm going to throw in something dorky and surprise you. but the original image of the wall of separation between church and state, the original image, was partly from roger williams, the founder of rhode island. the idea was that the wall was not to separate and protect the state from the church. but the church from the state. that ultimately, temporal power corrupts spiritual authority.
>> this is our own version of "paradise lost." we have seen what the angels have said. next segment we'll see what the devil says, playing that role for us, donny deutsch. we'll be right back. your brain changes as you get older.
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we want to bring donny into the conversation. >> why? >> do you guys remember the episode of "the office" when michael scott was wearing a women's suit? he's wearing women's jeans today. >> is he? >> yeah, skinny jeans. i could wear those. can i wear those. >> can we have a shot of the skinny jeans. >> these are men of a certain age who still remain in decent shape. can wear these things. >> what's that on your ankle? >> there's a lot of things there that i could say. i would like to borrow those next time, joe, a as gig. and in washington -- the co-founder of axios -- >> i want to just -- before you -- i would like our viewers -- >> is that a bangle on your ankle? >> guys, you are haters because i am fashion-forward and i am proud. i am fashion forward.
>> his ankles look like jabba the hut's chin. >> co-founder of axios -- >> did gloria vanderbilt make those jeans? >> do you know how many people stop me on the street and say, i'm jealous of you. >> that's because you're worth about $4400 million. >> hear something positive from our friend mike allen. >> let's cue him up. three, two, one. >> happy friday. >> no, it's not. >> everything is okay now. >> can i just get back to the -- >> another man who is worth about $400 million. >> we got into it a little bit. yesterday i was watching tv and i was, watching "handmaid's tale" a dystopian look at the future of this country. in the show they're pulling children away, separating
children. and i drifted on to the news. when you physically see what's happening down there. i want to you picture this if you're a parent. the refugees show up, they separate the moms -- the kids are indoors 22 of 24 hours a day with five other kids. literally, we have become the bad guys. >> the wonderful thing about america has always been, susan, in other countries, you, the sins of your parents pass on to you. and a lot of times they pass on either culturally or legally. maybe, the idea of debtor's court and. but we don't do that in america, one of the wonderful things, that we don't pay for the sins of our fathers, we don't pay for the sins of our mothers. we're given a fresh start in america. these children are being made. these infants are being made to pay for the decisions of their
parents. >> and what's even worse is, is the only thing that's going to move this administration from this horrible policy, that they are enforcing that is not the law. >> is that it's going to take something happening to one of these children. that's going to scare them. and unfortunately -- >> it already happened. >> we in the united states are ripping children out of parents' arms. >> i understand that and there's obviously a lot of psychological issues there and there's the drama alone, trauma alone is a lot. but what i'm talking about to move this administration is, we're going to see criminal activity, there's already talk that some of these places, especially where children who are a little older, who are 12, 13, are sleeping next to grown men. there are a lot of problems in the investigation into those things. we're going to have to wait until these things come out to see if the administration acts. i don't know what else does it.
>> i don't know if there is, if i shouldn't, if i'm not allowed to do this. they can tell me afterwards. i'm not allowed to do this. but you know we went over to paul weiss a couple of days ago. a great law firm in new york city, they're known for their extraordinary pro bono work. working with indigents and working on big causes. i would love to see some of the biggest, best law firms in america just send one of their lawyers down to mccallum, texas. flood the zone. people could go in there and just start representing one by one by one by one, these people who have had their children ripped from their arms. i know in america there are good people. i have seen law firms do extraordinary things. without expecting anything in return. this is what's needed there right now. during katrina, i saw people come in from all over america, good people come in from all over america and try to help the
people of new orleans. help the people from mississippi gulf coast. this is what's needed right now. somebody needs to organize this. and get the best and brightest lawyers that they can. get them down to the border and do just what the gore and the bush team did in 2000, fly 737s of lawyers into a place and make a difference. >> it's a great analogy. when you think about it this way. it's something that causes your stomach to turn. we're seeing pictures of a humanitarian crisis in america that's self-imposed. by policy, we're imposing a humanitarian crisis on our own country intentionally. not through a natural disaster, but through an act of government. when you think about it, it boggles the mind. >> there are great legal aid services down there, nonprofits doing the work and they're part of the reason that light has been shined upon this. i agree with you. >> we could use the correct term is like humanitarian.
we, the united states of america, our country, right now as we speak, when people who are running from oppression, trying to keep their daughters from becoming sex slaves, slaves, we the united states are pulling crying children, infants from their parents and putting them in a separate room for a month. you used the shower analogy which is politically incorrect -- >> that's what they're saying. they're saying they're taking them to showers and never seeing them again and mika this is not just a liberal conservative right versus left issue. there have been good conservatives, rock rib conservatives like erick erickson and others saying this is not who we are. >> no, it's not. and looking at this report that was reported on msnbc last night, rice, the largest immigration legal service, it's a nonprofit in texas, saying there are parents who have been waiting four months
post-deportation for the u.s. to return their babies. they skype once a week with their eight-month-olds who have been effectively kidnapped by the trump administration. just kind of look at what happened just yesterday with the attorney general quoting the bible on this. you have the white house press secretary lying, calling it a law, saying it's biblical and n not -- it's not. and this is more than tone deaf. because not only is this a story about who we are and redefining who we are in the worst way, this is a story about women and their vital role as mothers and when you have babies being taken away from their mothers you have to ask why the counselor to the president who was brought in to help the president perhaps create good policies surrounding women, parental leave, domestic
policies that are important to women in this country, you have to ask why ivanka trump is so tone deaf to post a picture about her special day yesterday with her daughter. again, just missing the mark every step of the way because this is about who we are as a nation. it's also about women and their vital role as mothers. we're losing every, every step here. we're losing a sense of who we are. and it's wrong and we need people in there with stronger voices. we'll get to mike allen in a moment. also coming up, the president is pressing ahead with a summit that he really wants with vladimir putin. "morning joe" is coming right back.
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been thrown at us this week. but what matters? what will we remember ten years from now? >> we'll remember we have further evidence of why donald trump is president and it had to do with the punditry of the fbi director who decided to guess that hillary clinton was going to win and he wanted to protect himself in the fullness of time and richard nixon after 1960, which was such a narrow race, said that everybody -- when you have a race that close everyone has 25 theories and if it's that close any one of them can believe right but we're pretty close on this one and we're in an era that is always going to -- we're going to talk about as long as the english language is spoken and we have a new insight as to why it's here. >> jon meacham, thank you, the book a run away number one best-seller. >> great father's day gift. >> if you love your father you will buy "the soul of america."
>> it's important bibly liicall >> one of my favorites came from brother pat buchanan when i asked him on air, why didn't you challenge illinois because kennedy stole illinois. pat's response? "because we stole kentucky, joe." i love pat. still ahead, new legal troubles for the president and his family. the new york attorney general's office is suing the trump foundation alleging vast illegal activity. the "washington post's" david fahrenthold has been reporting extensively on the matter and will join the conversation. plus, member of the senate judiciary committee senator richard blumenthal joins us to react to the new ig report. "morning joe" is coming right back.
let's meet, only at a sleep number store. welcome back to "morning joe," it's friday, june 15. >> donny, what are your plans tonight? what are you doing? dinner or anything. you going to the hamptons? >> i'm going to hampton. >> by helicopter or car? >> you're worth $400 million. my brother was in town, he'd never been, he wanted to go. i said george, it's friday, we'll never get there. now if you were donny deutsch, you'll take a helicopter. do you really fly a helicopter? >> answer the question honestly.
>> i think modes of transportation are not necessarily a relevant discussion. >> come on. >> helicopter or seaplane. >> there's many different ways to the hamptons. >> when was the last time you were on the l. ichi.e, donnie? -- donny? >> ellen did this with bill gates. >> how much does a gallon of milk cost? >> a gallon of milk i would say -- >> quart of milk, any quantity of milk. >> $3. >> depends where you buy it, too. >> have you ever seen donny's refrigerator? >> no. >> it's incredible. >> have you seen it? >> yes, i have. >> why have you seen donny's refrigerator. >> i can't get into that. but if you go into donny's house, everything is labelled. he's got like a kato kaelin figure in his house. all the clothes are labelled in the closet. everything is labelled? >> are you kidding? >> and when you get to the refrigerator everything also has a label.
so. >> like "this is milk?" >> "this is the eggs, this is the milk." am i right? >> you need help knowing what the milk is? >> 2% milk, whole milk. >> i'm going back to the bible. >> are you ocd? is this an ocd thing? >> i feel very personally exposed right now and i'm a very organized person. >> he's very organized. >> i don't know how to respond to this. others say there is so much in my house -- i have, five dogs, three children -- >> and a couple jean michele basquaits on the wall. >> in all of the labelling, it's a very organized house, extraordinarily nice, beautiful home, beautiful art, incredible thing. but among all the labelling, the most incredible something that when you see donny there holding his starbucks cup which his kay
kato kaelin guy has gotten him from starbucks the starbucks cup is labelled -- >> what does it say? >> whatever's in it, vanilla half caf -- >> it's brewed at home. >> it's in a starbucks cup, donny. >> it's a cup like this. >> that's a starbucks cup! thank you for making my point. >> so donny and heilman are also still with us. and joining the conversation we have former justice department spokesman now an msnbc justice and security analyst matt miller. apologize here for donny. >> like i walked into a reality show and i have no idea what's going on! >> what if i reveal matt miller is donny's kato kaelin. >> we've learn how old the other half lives. >> how is everybody's salary? is everybody doing okay on this
set? all these poor people i'm surrounded with? >> your skinny jeans are too tight. >> squeezing the circulation to his brain. and other places. go ahead, read the news. >> it's hard but i people going to. >> what happened? this is three or four minutes into the show. >> president trump's lawyer rudy giuliani, we don't think he's well but that's besides the point. he's calling on the justice department to immediately suspend special counsel robert mueller's probe that has indicted 20 people, 14 russians and most of the people that ran donald trump's campaign in 2016 and now he wants to launch an investigation of the investigators. >> giuliani's statement came after the doj's inspector general report on the fbi's investigation of 2016 presidential candidates. hours before ex-trump campaign manager paul manafort heads to court this morning for a bail hearing over witness tampering claims, he pleads not guilty to charges including fraud and money laundering.
rudy giuliani insisted he was speaking for himself but his demand coincided with other trump allies claiming the report had bearing on mueller's legitimacy even though mueller removed agent peter strzok last summer when he learned of the anti-trump text messages to strzok's lover, fbi attorney lisa page. >> we supplied 1.4 million documents and who are we supplying them to? people who have already concluded to frame donald trump, agents who started a phony russia investigation. that's the whole core of this. that's why the investigation should be suspended. and i am talking for myself now, not the president, but i believe he would agree with this. very serious investigation has to be done of the fbi agents at the top by fbi agents who are honest in order to prosecute them. i believe that rod rosenstein and jeff sessions have a chance to redeem themselves and that
chance comes about tomorrow. doesn't go beyond tomorrow. tomorrow mueller should be suspended an honest people should be brought in, impartial people to investigate these people like strzok. strzok should be in jail by the end of next week. >> so let me ask you, matt. he wants to suspend -- let me get this right -- an investigation that has already -- into russian meddling that has already indicted 13 russian nationals, three russian companies, the man that flew around with the president the most during his presidential campaign. the man that everybody said he trusted the most, that he spent the most time with and who became his national security adviser busted, he pled and he's cooperating with the feds. this investigation also got one of the top people in the campaign who's already -- he's already busted, pled, and is now
cooperating with federal authorities. the man that donald trump said was one of his two most important foreign policy advisers during the campaign busted, pled, investigating with federal authorities, the man donald trump said he needed to run his campaign as campaign manager because it was the only way he would become the republican nominee, busted and is now going into -- going to be fraud marched into court this morning. i mean, he's lied time and time and time again and chances are good he's going to be going to jail. the list goes on and on and on. we have 20 people who have been indicted. again, not indicted by bob mueller, indicted by grand juries that are filled with americans. just like giuliani and others
that are on voting roles. they've gone in, we've heard they are very serious, they take their job seriously. we've heard this from people who have been before grand juries and they are the ones who have indicted the russians and members of donald trump's campaign and here you have rudy giuliani -- by the way, i'm sure the yankees would like him to take off the world series ring -- >> definitely. >> shaming himself, shaming the people of new york, shaming anybody who believes in the rule of law saying no, let's investigate the investigators and end this investigation because it's getting a little close to home. and again what drives me crazy about yesterday is people are going look at these four or five people sending text messages. that happened in the fbi in new york, people attacking hillary, happened in the cia always. this has always happened and yet the big picture they seem to miss from this ig report is that comey held on to the most damning evidence of all so he
could drop a letter ten days before the election and actually destroy hillary clinton's campaign. talk about purposefully not seeing the forest for the trees. yesterday was a low point. there have been so many low points for republicans and rudy giuliani and clowns on the hill. yesterday was one of them. >> i think for a while now we've seen two tracks marching forward. one is reality and the reality is bob mueller where you see new indictments, in guilty pleas coming out of his probe coming time and time again. the other track is fantasy and over the last 24 hours we saw the difference. in this ig report we saw the reality which is for all the president's claims, for all his attacks and lies about what the fbi and justice department was doing, their actions in the 2016 campaign helped his campaign, did not hurt. the other reality we see from that ig is that there was no evidence that anything peter strzok said about donald
trump -- and he also said things about hillary clinton, he attacked eric holder, bernie sanders, their actions did nothing to hurt him and all of the actions of the fbi helped h him. so we're going to see this fantasy coming from the president for a while. at the end of the day you may see paul manafort in jail. he's going to go in court today and may have his bail rejoked by the end of the day. that will put more pressure on him. you see michael cohen getting much, much closer indi indicted. the attacks will get worse before they get better. >> they are desperate. they know he's coming close. >> and just this morning a few minutes tag president is tweeting "fbi agent peter strzok who headed the clinton and russia investigation texted to his lover lisa page in the ig report that, quote, we'll stop candidate trump from becoming president. doesn't get any lower than
that." president trump goes on writing "the ig report is a total disaster for comey, his minions and sadly the fbi. comey will now officially go down as the worst leader by far in the history of the fbi. i did a great service to the people in firing him. good instincts" he says of himself. "christopher wray will bring it back proudly." >> by the way, i've just had information sent to me, alex and jack saying the low point, perhaps it was 1964 when j. edgar hoover sent a letter to martin luther king and said to kill himself or he would have his sex life exposed. maybe lower. >> remember, joe, history started january of 2017. >> and also since it started then donald trump himself will not admit that james comey, who he loathes, is the reason why he's president of the united states. the ig report again for those
that are just tuning in and for those of you too slow to actually operate household appliances, the bottom line of this report is that james comey and fbi agents held on to evidence of anthony weiner's laptop for a month, said they didn't have time to look at it so they waited a month and then sent that letter ten days before the election guaranteeing that it would destroy hillary clinton's campaign. willie that is, bottom line, if we're looking at what ultimately happened after some text messages were sent, that's what happened and it accrued solely to the benefit of donald j. trump. >> and the ig report, 500 pages of it, goes incident by incident including the july/2016 press conference where it wonders allowed in this report why the head of the fbi is announcing charging decisions that don't belong to him. >> and trashing hillary clinton. >> and trashing hillary clinton
and then the two letters in the days before the election. they're making the case without saying explicitly that he put his thumb on the scale for donald trump. >> he absolutely did and not just what he did with hillary clinton. there's an e-mail in this report he sent to jim clapper and john brennan, that comey sent on october 5 that is really -- it's kind of hard to read because he talks about why he won't sign his name on to a report or statement from the intelligence community saying the russians are interfering with the election. not a statement saying donald trump's campaign is under investigation. doesn't mention donald trump at all, just a statement talking about russian interference, he won't do it because he thinks it's an october surprise and the american people will react to it unfairly and it would be unfair to the campaign. contrast that to how he acted with hillary clinton sending that letter 11 days before the election. there's no way to justify that. and i think if you step back and say why do these two things happen, why is he worried to stick his thumb on the scale in one direction to help hillary clinton but not worried to stick in the other? because of the pressure he was
getting from one side. he was getting attacked from republicans on the hill. >> let me say this very quickly. within a month 40% of americans are going to think bob mueller said we need to stop him. that's the scary thing. >> especially if they listen to a couple of whacko voice who don't want the truth to get out there. mike allen, it's pretty remarkable and we heard it after the election that on election day there was only one campaign being investigated. james comey bent over backwards to make sure that nobody heard about the russia investigation because it would be considered an october surprise but he threw the most damaging october surprise in the history of
modern american politics on hillary clinton's campaign ten days before the election and how donald trump or anybody, giuliani or any of those clowns that are holding press conferences on capitol hill attacking comey as being an agent for hillary clinton, how they can do that with a straight face defies logic. >> and donny is making me feel very self-conscious about my jos a. bank trousers. >> et tu, brutus? mike, we're the people of the people and to jump on this juggernaut of hate, i'm very surprised. >> mike allen, go ahead. >> so i have a prediction for you and exactly because of the circumstances you talk about. you talk to former federal prosecutors, they would tell you they think around september 1 there will be a pause in the comey investigation but hard to
see how he wraps it up by september 1 and every federal prosecutor in creation except for james comey knows that when somebody is on the ballot and when there are ballot issues you don't keep that investigation live and hot through the fall through the heat of campaigning. >> so why won't donald trump fire bob mueller? i think it's been explained that bob mueller is 14 moves ahead of him. the second he does that, referrals to attorneys general, you have the formerize in not with a sweet plea deal with bob mueller but having to face conspiracy to kidnap from the pennsylvania ag, you have possibly the kushners and others
being indicted by the new york attorney general. there's a long list of charges that could be brought against a lot of people and they won't be as careful as robert mueller. >> maybe charges brought under seal. i suspect bob mueller has a lengthy plan for what to do if his investigation is shut down that includes copies of evidence stored somewhere else, not just in his office in case the fbi were to come in and seize his files. indictments either ready to go or already filed and just not yet unsealed. there's no good way for him to fire his way out of this problem. you can't fire everyone in the justice department. you need a new attorney general who would not just fire people but go down and say in this case. >> but matt let's underline this point. the worst-case scenario for donald trump is not that federal charges are brought against these people.
do something that requires mueller that requires his information to state attorneys general. his pardons don't touch the new york state attorney general, his pardons don't touch the illinois attorney general. some of these issues have touched upon them and suddenly donald trump and everybody else is just sitting there waiting to see how long if they get arrested and indicted and tried and charged they're going to jail in a state prison and nobody can pardon them. >> that's true for his associates who have legal problems. i'm not sure it's true for the president himself that he has specific legal problems on a state level that bob mueller could refer out. maybe something related to his
foundation. but i don't know. >> let me say, donald trump worked a good bit in new jersey and new york state. >> we always heard it would go back there. >> and atlantic city. >> another big development yesterday, new york attorney general barbara underwood filed a lawsuit against president trump, his three eldest children and their charity which alleges the trump foundation engaged in "persistently illegal conduct" claiming trump repeatedly misused the nonprofit organization to pay off his businesses, creditors or pay off one of his clubs to stage a multimillion dollar give away at his 2016 campaign events. the lawsuit alleges they coordinated illegally with the trump campaign on an impromptu fund-raiser in 2016 as trump's gift a fox news debate. >> let's bring in the reporter
whose articles in the "washington post" helped lead to this lawsuit. david fahrenthold joins us from washington. i've heard there could be civil ramifications for these activities. possible election law violations. trump and his three older children being barred from being on any nonprofit in new york state. what's the bigger challenges that trump and his lawyers are going to be facing. >> well, the immediate one is going to be that trump faces penalties of $2.8 million, possibly more, maybe double that depending on what the judge says to impose so they'll have to fight this in new york state court, fight this lawsuit and as you said fight this idea of a ban so they're thinking about applying a remedy to small time
scammers, people who scam their breast cancer charity. >> and on his children? >> the ban on him will be ten years and his children one year. they were the directors of the foundation making sure their father didn't spend the money, it turns out the board of directors hadn't met since 1999. >> so when you start using your foundation improperly for a fund-raising events that benefits your presidential campaign in 2016 doesn't that bring up federal election law violations as well? >> the new york attorney general said we exhausted our statutory authority, we don't think we have the authority to bring criminal charges in new york state, with eck bring a civil action and they've referred the same violations to the irs and federal election commission so it would be up to one of them or both of them to look and decide if there will be a criminal action. one key thing in this memo is that if you were a tax lawyer you noticed was this the bar for prosecuting somebody for a tax
crime is -- it has to be a willful violation. you have to know the law is and break it any way and in this lawsuit yesterday, new york attorney general says trump's violations of the law were willful in this case so she believes it got over the threshold. whether the doj will see it the same way, we don't know. >> david, you track closely the foundation's money during the 2016 campaign. including as mika mentioned the january, 2016, when president trump skipped the debate to hold that veterans event. a televised veterans event. where's the crossover in this lawsuit with that night. >> this actually -- this lawsuit does a good job of getting behind that night so to start out, one of the bedrock things about nonprofit law in the u.s. is that you can't use a tax-exempt nonprofit to help your political campaign and she shows trump handed his nonprofit, his tax-exempt nonprofit over to his campaign then. the nonprofit served as a collection point for the money he raised that night and then
the nonprofit allowed corey lewandowski, trump's campaign manager, to tell them when are you going to give the money out, to who and what amounts? let's do it on stage with a big check at trump's campaign rally so the foundation by law independent of the campaign became basically one arm of the trump campaign and she spends a lot of time describing how intertwined they work. >> did you ever find where that money went? i know you were trying to track it. >> it took a long time to track it. trump gave out some of it to individual charities, he would go in iowa and give out a big check during the middle of a rally to a local veterans charity but then iowa ended and he stopped giving out money and it took months and badgering from me before we figured out what became of the rest of it. we were told by corey lewandowski, look, trump promised to give away a million dollars of his own money, corey lewandowski said, in may of 2016, trump's giving it away, i can't tell you where it went but trust me, he's giving it away. it turned out that was false. it was only after we raised more
questions that trump gave it. >> you hear the word foundation, a foundation means other charitable -- i have a million dollars that i want to give away to children. donald trump, you take it and decide how it's going on. so think about what he was doing because it's not a foundation. he was taking other people's money that was meant for children and firefighters and cancer and said i'm going to pay my legal bills. think about the mind that does that. donald trump has been known in new york as the least charitable human being of any wealthy guy. he has never given a dollar of his own money to anybody. i'll give one fact that's never been out there. that foundation money, donald trump's kid went to my kids -- baron went to the same upper west side school, a very privileged school. he gave foundation money as a donation to an upper west side school that is a $50,000 a year tuition school. >> so other people's money that they thought was going to charity. >> he was donating to hiss son's private school, a very
privileged private school. that's where that foundation money was going. >> basically buying good grades for his kid at the school. >> wow. david fahrenthold, thank you. >> well, know, i'm sure his -- >> not that, he's just not -- >> that's just not where that people thought the money was going to be paid. >> not fair to say. >> really? >> it's just another layer. matt miller, thank you very much. mike allen, thank you as well. >> happy father's day joe and the dads. >> happy father's day, mike and really quickly, i know we've got to go but you've been writing about tariffs and writing about how that's messing up the international order economically. what's donald trump's thoughts about how it's going? >> the president doesn't care about messing up the international order. we call this donald trump's "i mean it" moment. these tariffs he threatened are now going into effect. joe, you know this, there's one thing that trump has been
consistent about for 30, 40 years, that is he thinks the u.s. is being ripped off. he's been insistent on this. the great oval office scene where he said bring me tariffs to his aides, gary cohn resisted, just bought time, bought time. now time is up. a twist in this, though. our reporting shows if china helps with north korea he could pull it back so there is always with trump a possible exit ramp. speaking of father's day, joe and willie have great insight on their great dads on knowyourvalue.com, thank you for doing those. you can find that and a lot more at this web site that really provides a lot of resources for women especially. still ahead on "morning joe," from the senate judiciary committee, democrat dick blumenthal joins the table. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. you've got to get in there, like...
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[ speaking korean ] that is at the 22-minute mark of a 42-minute north korean propaganda video shown on state media showing behind-the-sceneses style footage of kim jong-un in singapore and you saw the president there. is he saluting a general? >> he was, returning the salute, yeah. >> joining us now a member of the judiciary and arms services committee democratic senator richard blumenthal of connecticut. that is a good question willie just asked you in the break. where to begin? your response to the ig report and also rudy giuliani's version of it, response to it. >> we're in the beginning of the renewed assault on the special
counsel and they're going to use -- >> an aggressive one. >> very, very aggressive and obviously distorting and selective approach those three words, i'll stop it are going to be heard again and again and again and the call by rudy giuliani to imprison peter strzok is part of a concerted campaign which has been continuing to diminish the credibility and legitimacy of the special counsel. but here is one of the most important facts about that report, there is no evidence that whatever that detracts from the critical importance of that special investigation. in bias in the clinton investigation and none, despite 74,000 text messages and all the other bad stuff that should in any way provide an excuse for suspending or ending the special counsel investigation. >> can the special counsel withstand these assaults?
especially when there is a powerful and extremely forgiving megaphone that they are using through fox and specifically hannity to distort the facts and spread a narrative that perhaps may not reflect the truth about this investigation? >> the special counsel certainly can withstand this assault ifs supported by people who are willing to take a stand and speak out. my republican colleagues among them. we're going to have a hearing on monday about the ig report and i will be very, very interested to see whether my republican colleagues many responsible and concerned about the kind of demagoguery we're seeing out of the white house, they have a responsibility to step forward. now is the time of reckoning.
>> your former life, attorney general, if somebody had said to you hey, there's a rich guy getting other people's charitable money, taking charitable money he was given and using it for his own personal needs, what would you do as an attorney general? >> i would do what my very distinguished colleague barbara underwood has done. she's a career prosecutor, by the way, not a political appoint qu appointee and i would go to court. you made the point -- a very good one earlier -- that this protection of donor funds is one of the fundamental responsibilities of any state attorney general. the only difference with donald trump's foundation is that the violation of trust is so blatant and big in its magnitude and so really just arrogant in its flouting of trust responsibilities. when people contribute to a
foundation they are doing it to advance a charitable cause, not the self-dealing or self-interest that donald trump used his foundation to do. >> would you assume you would get jail time for that? >> he would conceivably receive jail time and -- he in a generic sense, someone committing this kind of crime, in the false statements that were made either to the irs or to the federal election commission or to state or federal governments, false statements to any agency or violation of law. >> senator, i want to ask about what's happening on the border, what we see in these images of parents being separated from their children at the border and placed into these detention for facilities for young children and boys and girls. first question to you. jeff sessions and sarah sanders said yes that they're merely following the law. is this the law that parents and children must be separated? >> it is not the law most definitively and emphatically it is not the law and this kind of
spreading of propaganda and demagoguery is a real disservice to the law. there is no legal requirement that they separate children from their families, it was not done under the previous administration and there are ways to avoid it, among them providing decent legal advice and places for these people to stay so that they are not separated from -- it's inhumane. i've been to the border, i've seen these detention facilities and the harm they're doing is unforgivable and illegal. >> it's a policy attorney general sessions announced on the border where he said you may be separated for your children under this zero-tolerance policy. you've used terms like "hideous, noxious, cruel, antithetical to our values," you say it's a betrayal of american values so what can be done to stop it? we have the information, we're watching the images everyday,
people are angry and want to know what's being done. >> we have legislation we proposed in the united states senate led by a number of us, including dianne feinstein and others who have been involved for some time. obviously the chances of legislation are slim in the immediate future but some of my republican colleagues are troubled by these images of children ripped away from their parents. i am heartbroken by those images as are -- many of my republican colleagues and the purpose is simply as general kelly has outlined it a tough deterrent. that's his words. >> and your republican colleagues use that argument, that it's a tough deterrent, the ones who support it? >> the ones who support it say that it is a deterrent to immigrants coming to this country. remember, they're coming here to escape murder, torture,
persecution. if you talk to a number of these people, in fact virtually all of them, they are coming here for the classic reasons that americans welcome. my dad came here in 1935 to escape persecution in germany. he had not much more than the shirt on his back. he spoke virtually no english and this country gave him a chance to succeed. he would be sent back to germany. >> just about all of our families would have a story like that. >> we all have an immigrant story. >> as a matter of fact, my father's first generation here, my grandfather had to send for his wife and children to come here and that -- it does affect us all. another thing that affects us all is that north korea summit was just five days ago. we've seen the tv spectacle come and go and videos come and go,
what have you seen that we have to look at going forward. >> i think going forward in my world most important for this coming week is to make sure we protect the special counsel and equally so the deputy attorney general because he controls thes per strings, the scope of authority, many of the practical issues that will determine the success of the special counsel's investigation and the image that was on the screen just a short time ago about the guilty pleas, the indictments, the remarkable progress the special counsel has made, i think, should sway all americans to understand that we're talking real crimes, guilty pleas, convictions and potential prison time, this investigation must go forward. >> senator richard blumenthal. thank you and thank you to your father and so many of our dads.
coming up, the president cut short meetings with allies last week to meet with north korean dictator kim jong-un. the "new yorker's" susan glasser says he could do something similar to nato allies in july in order to meet with vladimir putin. we'll get susan's new reporting on this ahead on "morning joe."
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>> i'm not for russia, i'm for the united states. but as an example, if vladimir putin were sitting next to me at a table instead of one of the others and we were having dinner the other night in canada i could say would you do me a favor? would you get out of syria? would you do me a favor? would you get out of the ukraine? get out of ukraine, you shouldn't be there. just come on. now i think i'd probably have a good relationship with him or i'd be able to talk to him better than if you call somebody on a telephone. i will tell you as an example, if he were at that meeting, i could ask him to do things that are good for the world, that are good for our country, that are good for him. >> it's very interesting, donald trump had that one on one conversation with vladimir putin at the g20 last year when he went off by himself, wouldn't
let any of his american aides go so they could have a secret conversation. and you foe what happened after that? vladimir putin not only stayed in syria but 20 russians attacked americans and unfortunately for them put themselves right in the line of special special forces gunfire. the crimeans want us there, because donald trump was putin's parrot at the g7 saying, well, you know, crimea, they wanted to be invaded? >> so he stayed in syria, stayed in crimea, stayed in ukraine but for that he gets into the g8. >> i guess that's how that works and he continues if you believe the people that are running the president's intel committee that he appointed that vladimir putin
is still trying to influence the 2018 campaign and interfere with american democracy. that's happening right now despite the fact that donald trump talked to vladimir putin at the g20 last year. it's very interesting. i'm not sure why putin would listen to him at the g8 when he obviously didn't listen to him -- unless donald trump listened to vladimir putin and that's why he continues to refuse to only criticize two people. vladimir putin and stormy daniels. the only two public figure donald trump has not attacked since being president of the united states. >> powerful people. >> the way you flipped out like that, i got it now. >> sort of an ellory queen episode from 1978. >> columbo. >> does anybody ellory queen? >> president trump gets a second chance for a sit down with vladimir putin. in the words of one administration official, there is no stopping him. we'll explain that next on "morning joe."
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joining us now, staff writer at the new yorker, susan glasser. her later letter from trump washington writes this about the potential of a trump meeting with vladimir putin as early as this summer. quote, negotiations with the kremlin have been under way for weeks. there's no stopping him. the senior administration official familiar with the operation said he is going to do it. he wants to have a meeting with putin, so he's going to have a meeting with putin. >> the remarkable thing, at the beginning of the administration, one of trump's people called and asked me, this is just when the russia news was blowing up at first, hey, we are thinking of having a summit with vladimir putin. this was late january, 2017. my response was, are you kidding me? it has been a singular obsession with donald trump since he's
been sworn in, isn't it? >> he proposed this to vladimir putin in the famous, do not congratulate phone call, which he congratulated putin. he then invited vladimir putin to the oval office. the white house did not put that out in their initial readout of the phone call. the kremlin announced it to box him in. trump pursued it ever since with all the drama, through the trade war, the rifts with allies. this is something the president made very clear to his team he wants to have happen. you know, while all this other drama has been playing out behind the scenes, they have been negotiating over the venue. putin said, by the warks i don't want to come to washington, according to my source. he said, let's meet in a third party country. first, trump didn't like that idea. now, trump seems to have accepted the idea and will add it on to his europe trip,
potentially, as mika noted, really, really further upsetting nato allies. it is something you don't do, meet the russian president before you meet the nato allies. after you would have a united front and something to talk about. >> it was clear over the last few days how much president trump enjoyed his summit with kim jong-un, the pageantry of it. i guess my question is, the summit with vladimir putin, does he have a goal or an agenda beyond having another pageant with a world leader? >> well, i think that's the interesting question. you know, the fear among russia in and out of government with whom i spoke is he doesn't have a goal beyond the summit. clearly, trump never let go of the idea of a grand reset in russia relations, a grand new bargain with putin. congress tried to tie his hands on sanctions, but that, of
course, is top of vladimir putin's agenda. i think trump's advisers, you know, he has real hocks on russia surrounding him and john bolton and mike pompeo. they have a tricky job ahead of preparing him for a summit in the sense putin is going to want things trump is inclined to give and congress isn't going to be happy about it. look how they swallowed the reversal of many other positions. it's not clear to me, what, if anything they would do about a deal putin and trump cut together. >> susan, how concerned do we have to be that after the g7 summit, our allies were concerned about how they were treated. do we have to worry they are concerned about shared intelligence with putin and what they are willing to give up and how we keep ourselves secure? >> look, i think that people should realize that trump's obsession with putin and his
critique of our allies is not just economic. it's not just his trade tariffs against allies or his tough words with the canadian prime minister, justin trudeau. he is obsessed with the idea on security, our allies are ripping us off. this statement about the g8 and having russia back into it, this is the most pro-putin policy move president trump has made in his year and a half. people haven't focused on it because understandably, there's many other things to focus on. it was a jaw dropper. last friday, actually on this show, when trump came out and said that. it was like a bombshell. where did that come from? i was told by a senior administration source that it came from literally out of the blue. it was never discussed as a policy move inside trump's government. >> a wrecking ball. the new yorker, susan glasser,
thank you so much. still ahead, the fbi director says nothing in the ig report hurts it bureau's integrity. someone should tell that to rudy giuliani and paul ryan. plus, paul manafort could be in jail by the end of the day if a judge revokes his bail for witness tampering. we'll address all that is at stake. "morning joe" is coming right back. hi.i just wanted to tell you that chevy won a j.d.power dependability award for its midsize car-the chevy malibu. i forgot. chevy also won a j.d. power dependability award for its light-duty truck the chevy silverado. oh, and since the chevy equinox and traverse also won chevy is the only brand to earn the j.d. power dependability award across cars, trucks and suvs-three years in a row. phew. third time's the charm...
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i was very surprised at the size of this crowd. woman: my question is, why hasn't congress started impeachment proceedings given what we know, and they probably know much more. i think that if you speak to congress-people privately, democrats and republicans acknowledge that this is a reckless, dangerous, and lawless president. for them, political safety is what is driving them to sweep it under the rug. if we don't stand up for the basic values of america, if we normalize this behavior, he will continue, and he will push it every single time he gets away with it. i mean, that's sort of the reaction to any bully. it tends to isolate you, and when you meet with other people and listen, you get that sense that you're not the only one who feels that way. well, i'm just grateful that everybody... that i'm not the only one that feels that trump needs to be impeached.
it's friday, june 15. with us, we have national affairs analyst, john heilemann. >> he's good. >> republican strategist, susan and new york times reporter, michael schmidt. author of "the soul of america: the battle for our better angels," john meachum. president trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani is calling on the justice department to suspend special counsel robert mueller's probe and launch an investigation of the investigators. giuliani's statement came after yesterday's unusual silence about the doj report on the
fbi's investigation of 2016 presidential candidates. hours before ex-trump campaign manager paul manafort heads to court for a bail hearing over witness tampering claims, he pleads not guilty to charges, including fraud and money laundering. giuliani says he speaks for himself. he claimed the report had bearing on mueller's legitimacy. even though mueller removed agent peter struck last summer when he learned of anti-trump text messages to his lover, fbi attorney, lisa paige. >> we supplied 1.4 million documents. who are we supplying to? people who concluded to frame donald trump. agents who started a phony russia investigation. that's the core of this. that's why the investigation should be suspended. i'm talking for myself now, not the president. i believe he would agree with
this. very serious investigation has to be done of the fbi agents at the very top, by fbi agents, who are honest in order to prosecute them. president trump has said over and over again to me, i did nothing wrong. how could this be? now we know, because these people fixed it. read this, if you are not disgusted and don't demand the justice department begin the investigation and suspend the one of the president and the people tortured by it. i believe that rod rosenstein and jeff sessions have a chance to redeem themselves. that chance comes about tomorrow. it doesn't go beyond tomorrow. tomorrow, mueller should be suspended and honest people should be brought in, impartial people to investigate these people like struck. struck should be in jail by the end of next week. >> rudy giuliani is shaming
himself, as usual. rudy giuliani is making a fool of himself. rudy giuliani is lying to the american people. rudy giuliani is trashing the entire fbi because of a couple of fbi agents who were fired last year. rudy giuliani is no fool, though he plays one on television. he knows that fbi agents, also during the campaign were trashing hillary clinton in new york. it was a common occurrence. rudy giuliani, unless he's a fool, also knows while barack obama was president of the united states, cia agents regularly trashed barack obama. i know because they trashed barack obama to me. fbi agents did the same. guess what? during the build up to the goal four, you know who the cia agents and fbi agents trashed? george w. bush. you are all acting like such snow flakes. it's as if the prime minister of canada said something mean to you. you are acting like this is the
first time it's ever happened. a phony investigation. here, let me hold up lots of papers. rudy thinks you are too stupid to not be like, thrown into this tizzy. if you read this, if you read this, i have it written down here, if you read this, you will find out that they have already, in this phony investigation of rudy giuliani have already been 13 russians indicted. that's a hell of a phony investigation. 13 indicted by americans in a grand jury overseen by an american judge. 13 russians indicted. oh, an additional russian indicted. oh, wait. hold on a second. this information i'm reading that you should be blown away by shows that the man that ran donald trump's national security agency, indicted. pled guilty in this phony investigation and is now
cooperating with federal authorities. but wait. there's more. the man that donald trump said was running his national security team, head of foreign policy, george papadopoulos pled guilty and is cooperating with feds. boy, that's some phony investigation. but wait. there's more. one of donald trump's top campaign managers, during the 2016 campaign has pled guilty. he is now cooperating with authorities. why, that's some phony witch hunt. oh, there's more. paul manafort, the man running the campaign, john heilemann, the man donald trump had to get on board to win the republican nomination is going back into court today. he has been indicted by a grand
jury of americans, of americans, with an american judge, listing in, been indicted and manafort is going to go to jail today. now, i don't know who is stupid enough to listen to rudy giuliani and believe rudy giuliani, but i'm asking, if you are stupid enough to believe that, ladies and gentlemen, then i'm going to ask my judge to get your phone number and cast you in idiocracy, too. i don't believe there's anybody out there that stupid. >> hannity. >> well, unfortunately, whether you call them stupid or not -- >> you have to be stupid with 20 indictments by americans, american grand juries, you have to be stupid. also, i'm sorry, but didn't the fbi help elect donald trump?
you know, i think that's the most frustrating thing. the very -- the very breach of protocol of james comey having sent out a letter ten days before when the fbi was sitting on that information 20 days and helped elect donald trump. >> there's no doubt there's an audience out there of americans, other americans who find rudy giuliani's arguments persuasive. there are. we see it in the polling. >> then they are ignorant of the facts. >> i'm not sticking up for them, just making a point. there's no doubt the argument -- the way giuliani reacted, the way the administration is reacting and donald trump will react over the course of the next 24 hours, if not sooner, all of it, the reaction of the report was predictable. >> the reality -- >> of course it is. of course it is. >> they have a responsibility. i had to sift through reports yesterday until i got to the point where the ig -- >> yes.
>> oh, by the way, the ig found out that comey held the information a month longer than he should have to elect donald trump. >> the biggest take aways from the report, out of 500 pages, the biggest take aways are there's one text message from peter struck we did not know about that donald trump and his allies are going to seize on and talk about all day today which struck said in some tone, which we can't tell, the intent and seriousness, we don't know. >> let me ask you this. this is for the stupid people that actually believe this. i have to say, also, some of you people tweeting yesterday, stop shaming yourself. you are embarrassing yourself. the bottom line of this report was james comey elected donald trump. let me ask you something, if you get a text message from somebody who works for me -- >> i sometimes do. >> okay. and they say -- they say the
sunrises in the west but you don't get that from me and you know i know the sunrises in the east, are you going to freak out? are you going to call me up and when i actually tell you, yes, the sunrises in the east, are you going to freak out about the people that worked for me in congress? or does what i say matter the most? you actually have the guy running the fbi that threw the election for donald trump, and yet a couple subordinates making out are texting each other stupid, nasty things. >> more than that. it's not that comey -- i don't believe comey's intent was and nothing suggests the intent was to throw the election for donald trump. the reality is -- >> he threw the election for donald trump. >> there's nothing that struck did anything after sending this text to accomplish what he said he was going to accomplish. >> the ig says they have
absolutely, willie, no documentary evidence, no evidence of any kind. again, if you look -- here is the quote. i know you would love to hear it. i'm going to say it for you. our review did not find evidence connecting the political views of these employees expressed in text messages and instant messages. we reviewed, in fact, if you look at the record, willie, in fact, what happened after those text messages were sent, james comey launched the greatest october surprise in the history of american politics and it ripped to shreds hillary clinton's campaign. >> that is the headline out of the justice department ig report. as john says, as predictable as could get that rudy giuliani in the white house would seize on the texts from paige and struck that shows construction inside
the fbi and krupcorruption with mueller investigation. when he found out, mueller threw them off the investigation. michael schmidt? >> one quick thing, just to say this. talk is cheap. you know? talk is cheap. how can any investigation in any circumstance we can imagine, people talk. they say stuff all the time. the question here, in this report is, what's the noise? what's the white noise among various employees, various people of the fbi. what was the action? what occurred as opposed to what were people saying? what did comey do as opposed to what trump is -- >> protocol in a way that destroyed hillary clinton's campaign ten days out and everybody knows it. still ahead on "morning joe," in explaining immigration policy, the white house cites the law. the attorney general cites the bible. >> it's interesting, citing the bible. willie, we were just talking about this. other people quoted that verse
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i would cite the apostle paul to obey the rules of the government. >> i can say that it is very biblical to enforce the law that is actually repeated a number of times throughout the bible. however -- hold on, jim, if you will let me finish. i'm not going to comment on the attorney's comments i haven't seen. >> in the bible to follow the law. >> it's not what i said and hard for you to understand, even short sentences. please don't take my words out of context, the separation of legal alien families is the product of the loopholes democrats refuse to close. the laws have been the same on the books for a decade. the president is simply enforcing them. >> the game plan at the white house, we saw there, is one. you lie about what the law is and what the law isn't. two, when questioned about your lies and the misquoting of the
bible, you insult a reporter, then you quote the bible again. it's interesting jon meachum, you are a biblical similar here. there's so many bible verses that completely contradict the actions of donald trump and his administration. evangelicals know it, if they actually read the bible lately. you could go to luke 17 where jesus says it would be better for mill stones to be hung around their necks and they be thrown to the bottom of the sea if anyone were to cause a little child to stumble. there are literally -- this sermon writes itself. you can even be out in time to have 14 stances of "just as i am" and hit morrison's by 12:05.
>> nothing like morrison's, the cube jelly. here is just another one from the psalms. this is an elective the attorney general created here. why is the apostle paul invoked here at all? i don't understand it. i believe, firmly, as you know and you do, that you can't separate religion from politics. this is just at a moment when we are just as divided as we are and we are -- the administration has such a hard time with the fundamental issue of accuracy and truth. i would stay as far away from the bible as poszabl potsd-- po.
>> don't throw jesus under the bus. i believe in strong borders. i want to be tough and stop illegal immigration. like a lot of other people, i don't want little children ripped from their parents arms. i don't want them marched off to, quote, showers. also, on our refugee policy, again, if they are quoting the bible, i'm sorry, but as you say in court, the attorney general opened the door. let us walk through that door that he opened. what is one of the first stories that we are taught in children in sunday school or in vacation bible school? it's the story of the good samaritan. what does jesus say on the sermon on the mount. not loving your friends, even
sinners do that. love your enemies. that's the central premise of the new testament. if the attorney general wants to open the bible and talk about it, i guarantee you, he's got, jon, a loseing case. >> another one of these big generational questions is going to be what do evangelical -- when evangelical christians who support the president have a reckoning, which they will. they are going to have to ask themselves, was the supreme court worth it? >> yeah. >> was that seat worth it? >> no, it was not. >> that's the bargain they made. they sold their soul for a seat on the supreme court. coming up, if the president believes crimea belongs to russia because they speak russian, does that mean the united states belongs to england? a look back at the developments.
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>> hold on, hold on. it's funny, we were talking before -- >> oh, my gosh. >> about all in the family. >> it's a great headline. that's funny. >> i love jim roth. >> oh, my god. lord. >> donny, you brought up the fact if "all in the family" was shown on tv today, actually, it couldn't be. that show is -- >> 50 years old. >> we have actually gone backward. >> brilliant show, archie bunker a big hit and making fun of that world. it was in this new age of political correctness where we are more incorrect. 50 years later, we are going backwards. >> more than backwards. >> we couldn't show that on tv today. >> no. that started in 1971.
>> yeah. >> 1971, almost 50 years ago. the point of the racism and the homophobia by archie bunker was to shine a light on it. people don't like context these days, they take it adds face value and say you are a ho homophobe. >> that runs on reruns doesn't it? >> advertisers are afraid. it's amazing when you think about what's going on in this world. >> you can't play red necks by andy newman because he is making fun of red necks using language. if you play it, people are saying, i can't believe you are using the "n" word. >> but our president can do a moral equivalency with nazi's.
president trump's lawyer is still talking making claims the clinton e-mail investigation was rigged, which is inspector general report does not claim and putting pressure on the justice department and the fbi to purge and imprison investigators. >> the ig report basically tells you both prongs of the mueller investigation are either corrupt or answered. it should become an investigation of comey. those fbi agents who should be fired today and in prison next week. peter struck was running the hillary investigation. that's a total fix. that is a closed book now. total fix. comey should go to jail for that. struck, he holds the press conference reopening the perfect wiener and abedin. that's a challenge for sessions,
rosenstein and wray. this stuff better be prosecuted now. let's investigate the investigators. >> that's actually a challenge for you, for not being able to tell the truth. speaking of which, here is donald trump outside the white house. >> we'll see what happens. >> michael cohen may cooperate with investigators. are you concern snd. >> i have nothing to do with that. >> mr. president, have you spoken with paul manafort? have you spoken with paul manafort? >> a democratic friend. that's a democratic friend.
democrats change the plan. >> all right. so, so, willie, that was all a plan. >> yeah. >> a planned walk. >> he tweeted 40 minutes ago. >> megyn kelly from fox when she did the long walk. was that 2012? >> it was good. >> what was that? remember that long walk? >> i remember that walk. >> they were saying mitt romney was going to win. >> he's copying. >> the president tweeting maybe i'll have to make an unannounced trip down to see them. >> you don't think they were there know thg wing this was go happen? >> not at all. let's bring in msnbc chief legal correspondent, ari.
ari, it's really hard to be surprised nimanymore by what ru giuliani says. he talked about, a couple weeks ago, the president of the united states being able to assassinate jim comey and not be indicted unless he was driven from office. now, he's talking about the imprisoning of jim comey and other fbi agents. on the same day that donald trump's campaign manager is going to be imprisoned, most likely, because of witness tampering. an ig report that shows james comey actually, and the fbi sat on e-mails long enough to actually do the most damage to hillary clinton and help elect donald trump. i don't know where to start. i guess i have to ask, at 8:30, what i asked this morning at
6:00. who, exactly, is stupid enough or ignorant enough to believe anything that he is saying now? if you actually read or for those who have ears that can hear, the ig report actually shows how comey helped elect donald trump. >> you have been hitting it on the head. there is an increasingly loud chore rus of things coming out f the white house that is typical of a banana republic and the misuse of government resources. the threat, as you say, of violence or jailing or the abuse of the criminal justice process against enemies. some of this already happened, if you look at the targets of officials like andrew mccabe, then you have the rare silence, cat got your tongue mr. president. this long report, he didn't know what to say about it all
yesterday. they have been waiting for it forever. the president says nothing, until this morning when he retweeted fox and friends six times. that's a lot of retweets for him, which suggests he didn't read the 500 plus page report. it's possible. >> he's a reader, you know. >> high reading skills. >> he doesn't like reading. it's hard for them to get -- >> we know about that from mar than his staff. >> can i ask you lawyer questions. you guys are both lawyers. >> fake ones. >> just focusing on a very specific thing. i think many people from all persuasions find the peter struck message to be troubling. i think a lot of people now, if you look at jim comey's behavior think jim comey made a lot of mistakes. >> clearly. >> hillary clinton mad at him. republicans mad at him.
it's a bias toward comey than his rectitude than a political party or candidate. when rudy giuliani goes on television saying peter struck should be in jail, jim comey should be in jail. is there a law rudy giuliani could recite for them to be prosecuted? >> for instance, with rudy giuliani, somebody could piece together a case for him obstructing justice, trying to get in the way, sending signals to stop people from testifying against the president. we could make that argument. >> is there a law to cite, that giuliani could cite under which they could be prosecuted? >> no. your question drives a distinction here, criticism of behavior, the preden sudential .
he could be removed. no crime whatsoever. that goes to the power of words. if i could involve donny deutsche, is that all right with you? >> yes, sir. >> i just want to make sure you are on camera for this. i look at donny and i say, i say this jacket is so loud it makes me want to throttle your neck. if i say that to you, imagine someone said that to you. it might be a rude thing to say. >> i would say it. >> i would take offense. >> in some workplaces, they would say don't talk to donny like that. itis a terribly objectionable jacket. but, that is a long ways from the type of behavior and conduct that would be required to make an assault or battery case. i think that's what's going on with peter struck. he wrote things he shouldn't have, but what's amazing, there weren't findings of misconduct
or action of fbi activity, based on what he said. >> he was still thrown out. >> the ig could not find evidence there was any, any impact in the investigation. certainly, if you look at it, certainly, again, the end of that investigation had the fbi sitting on e-mails for a month. >> yeah. >> a letter that could not have been timed better for donald trump and steve bannon than it was and the trump campaign knew it. they said it in realtime. this is going to help us win the election. >> all those things are true. this is not about the facts and ins and outs of the report. this is about what trump, the white house and giuliani can do with it. what they have in the 526 pages is focus on texts from five people they believe shows it was a compromised investigation. the thumb was on the scale. this is not correct.
somehow, for hillary clinton, despite what you laid out. this is softening the ground for what mueller comes up with. >> to go back to the banana republicism, there's a symmetry to rudy giuliani and others around her having yelled lock her up to yelling lock up peter struck and comey. they do the same thing over and over again. go to imprisonment of our foes. while they have yelled that, the only person, today, looking at getting locked up in a valid legal process is paul manafort, who may move from two ankle bracelets to pretrial investigation. >> at the same time, mika, they were chanting lock her up, you had one general who would become donald trump's national security adviser who was saying anyone who pleaded the fifth or anybody
being investigated by the fbi was obviously guilty. you also had the spokesperson, the current spokesperson, sarah huckabee sanders talking about the investigations against hillary clinton, as evidence per se, of her guilt. flip it around. it's all true about donald trump now. >> a russian investigation going on by the fbi before the election but never surfaced. >> comey didn't want that to surface. he said it would be tipping the scales of the election. >> and we have children locked up at the border. paul rayyan hasn't paid atn to the scandals involving e.p.a. administrator, scott pruitt. if he missed the pruitt scandals, he gets another chance this morning. two more are breaking right now. that is next on "morning joe." you're headed down the highway
house speaker paul ryan says he hasn't heard much -- >> how could he? how could he. he's the third ranking officer in america. >> the scandal is engulfing e.p.a. administrator, scott pruitt. ryan was asked about the controversies during the week at a news conference yesterday. take a listen. >> frankly, i haven't paid that close attention to it. i refer you to the overseas e.p.a. i'm glad with the regulatory position they have taken. i don't know enough about what pruitt has or hasn't done to comment. >> john heilemann, how does any human being say that and keep a straight face? >> well, obviously, it's a lie. you know, i guess you could take
the posture i'm retiring and focused on wisconsin matters, i don't watch television. if you are going to find another way to talk about it, at least if you don't want to comment, there's something better than my head is in the sand and i'm out to lunch. it looks like a lie. he looks like an idiot. >> why would he lie? >> i don't know. they all lie. >> they are not running for re-election, corker, flake, gowdy. >> not paul ryan. >> paul ryan not running, but not liberated to speak the truth. much has been made of the numerous investigations, the work he is doing, scott pruitt, as e.p.a. administrator. he is expected to send president trump a detailed proposal to scale back an obama era regulation for water pollution. it is widely expected to be one
of the agencies most significant rollback efforts. pr pruitt and the agency expected to gut an obama era rule to reduce climate warming pollution from vehicle tail pipes. pruitt celebrated this. >> where is he sitting? >> a birthday prez sesent to th president. >> that's the e.p.a. administrator in the big chair. >> think paul ryan didn't see that? >> another piece on pruitt. for aides life is part of the job. the times reports senior staff members frequently felt pressures by pruitt to help in personal matters and do special favors for his family according to to interviews for current officials who served as aides to pruitt. mr. pruitt, who had a clear sense of entitlement in the words of one of them indicated
he expected matters outside the per view of government. aides also told the paper that pruitt made it clear he had no hesitation in stature of a cabinet member to solicit favors for himself. he expected a certain kind of living. what? >> it takes you to the ritz-carlton lotion. >> the new headline from "the washington post" that pruitt and his family received rose bowl tickets from an energy pr. >> joining the table, ceditor fr women's website, bustle. >> going to star in the reboot of "single white female" with mika. mika didn't understand the reference. >> i haven't seen it. >> you haven't seen any of "the
g godfathers" either. >> paul ryan says he doesn't want to weigh in on pruitt and children being separated from parents, he said you need a piece of legislation to make sure that stops happening. that is simply untrue. this has stemmed from trump policy that could be overturned tomorrow and we could reunite these children with their parents, but he's acting as if you need legislature to make it possible. he knows it is not true. >> why do you expect this of paul ryan? he is a guy leaving town. >> what is he afraid of? >> it comes down to a question of how you define legacy so for some legacy can be defined by policy. he could have taken this opportunity to go through something like immigration reform. instead, it seems based on what we have seen this week, the maneuvering around immigration, he is trying to preserve a
political legacy y his caucus gets re-elected and remain in power. it's the only possible explo nation. he has nothing left to lose. look at the legislation. there's the good legislation which republicans aren't going get behind and the compromised legislation among republicans. it takes dreamers, this would have been the sixth anniversary of daca. they are using dreamers as leverage for things like slashing illegal immigration and spending more money on border security. >> we have asked a couple democrats, we had senator blumenthal on and said what can be done to stop what's happening with the pictures we are seeing from the border day in and day out. he shook his head and said we can't get anything through. without the republicans, we can't get anything done. it's a tough deterrent.
they like what is happening in that new policy on the border. >> to echo the analysis, paul ryan did say he is against this, as if he's just some random person in the comment section of an article. he is the speaker of the house. if he's against it, do something about it. this is not an ideological issue. because donald trump is not an ideological president, but egotistical one, it's why some republicans at least said the right thing that you don't want to use child abuse and childhood trauma as a tool of u.s. government policy. that's not something the american government stood up and said was a goal for a very long time. you have to go back to another era. here we are. this is what is happening. >> it points to your question before. the reality, paul ryan, back when he was a staffer in the house was one of the guys for trying to figure out a humane,
sensible immigration reform. his whole history has not been on restrictionist but moderate republican side. going back to his time as a staffer and a few years ago, he was in that category. how is he now in this position with all the political freedom in the world defending this policy? it makes no sense other than to think he has been hollowed out in some way at the core of his character and being. >> i really don't know what else it could be. i mean, unless they are threatening him in some way. i have to ask because we really, we do know him. this was a good man. it's staggering to me, but incredibly depressing. here is -- sorry. >> who are we tossing to? oh, president trump. good this is him on "fox and friends," talking about the ig report.
>> i would bet if you took a poll in the fbi, i would win that poll by more than anybody's ever won a poll. but, the top people were horrible. you look at what happened. they were plotting against my election. probably has never happened like that in terms of intelligence, in terms of anything else. but they were actually plotting against my election. >> the headline right now -- >> but i'm actually proud because i beat clinton dynasty. >> right. >> i beat bush dynasty. and now i guess hopefully i'm in the process of beating very dishonest intelligence. >> the headline right now from "the wall street journal," doj/clinton report blasts comey and agents but finds no bias. >> the end result was wrong. there was total bias. when you look at peter strzok and what he said about me. when you look at comey, all his moves. i guess, you know, it's interesting, it was a pretty good report. and then i say that the ig blew it at the very end with that statement. because when you read the report, it was almost like comey. he goes point after point about
how guilty hillary is and then he said but we're not going to do anything about it. the report, the ig report, was a horror show. i thought that one sentence of conclusion was ridiculous. the democrats by the way are very weak on immigration. if you notice when i came over, they were all saying about separating the families. and that's a democrat bill. that's democrats wanting to do that and they could solve it very easily by getting together but they think it's a good election point. >> a lot of lives there. >> that's objectively untrue. >> that's absolutely untrue. the trump administration policy. and you just heard the president of the united states calling the ig report a horror show. he's milling around reporters right now after appearing on fox and friends. and spreading lies. >> all i would add -- >> there's no other way to put it. >> michael more yo horowitz, in
releasing a part early to deny andrew mccabe his family pension, that's never been done in that way before, that was all pursuing trump tweets. then you see you get blasted by him anyway on national tv the day after the report. it's always a lesson about trying to meet halfway with donald trump. >> and on immigration, you know, look at this legislation, look at what republicans are proposing in the way of people being able to bring their family to the united states. it tells you everything you need to know about where they stand on family integration. >> so that was the president of the united states just moments ago. lying to reporters and the american people. alicea menendez, thank you very much. lying once again, i should say. up next, we'll try to sum up the week that was. "morning joe" is coming right back. it was here.
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enforce the law. we are going to enforce the law. we are enforcing the law. >> please don't lie to the american people. it was not true when sarah sanders said there is a law requiring immigrant families to be separated at the border and it still wasn't true when she repeated it a half dozen times. that policy belongs to the trump white house. and as "the washington post" describes it, any claim otherwise is, quote, violently divorced from reality. as we wrap up this friday edition the "morning joe," a quick look back at the week that was. if we can even try and put it into words. we learned from "the washington post" that a bored president trump demanded to his aides that they push up the timing of the carefully orchestrated singapore summit. saying, quote, we're here now, why can't we just do it? there was still plenty of time to meet and greet military officers responsible for north korea's oppressive regime. even saluting generals. to watch north korean state
television, which the president views as more favorable to kim jong-un than fox news was to him. perhaps trump overlooked the fact they would be quickly killed for not supporting the dear leader. he was impressed with the dictator's bodyguards, wondering aloud if they could take on his chief of staff, marine general john kelly. it all followed the president's campaign to readmit russia to the g-7, noting the people of crimea probably wanted to be taken over by vladimir putin since they share a common language. for his 72nd birthday, the president was gifted a new water regulation by his embattled epa administrator, complete with this oval office photo open that will likely be news to paul ryan who apparently doesn't follow what scott pruitt is up to. and rudy giuliani, the president's legal representative, called for an american citizen to be locked up, despite not being charged with a crime.
so before we go, does anyone want to try and add some final thoughts to that? >> well, that was fun. >> it's not not fun. >> uplifting week. >> scott pruitt does capture a lot, in that he both wants the fancyist lotion, but doesn't want to help anyone have clean water. that's a real balance to that. >> i think the spokesman -- is citing law, which is false, but even if there was a law justifying taking babies out of mother's arms in the united states and putting children in camps. this is us. this is the united states we're talking about. >> i think the best thing we can do to end the show today is to quote the president. and something he just said moments ago that really sums up everything we've seen this week. willie. >> you just mentioned the president's affinity for kim jong-un. he just said in an interview moments ago. he called him a strong leader and said the following, quote,
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PeopleToiletCard-readersPhoneEverywhereSurveysCard-reader20CashBanksUkPlacesthe debt ceiling, and we were able to get $2 trillion in cuts, welfare reform, $20 billion from the irs. the democrat leaders will never give you that unless the president -- so after october 7 evident they never should have put a paid-for on israel money. it sent the wrong message to iran and the rest of the world. but once you put that money out, you could have used you know directly with the border, and i believe those who are complaining on east side, you'd have more -- either side, you'd have more input on how the yeah money should be spent. there's people who support ukraine but don't like what the president's doing. what's our plan for victory. and you could patch patch it directly with the border, you would have won the majority of h.r. 2, and you would have put those two together. and on that vote it would probably be overwhelming,, less democrats voting for hit. howard: mr. speaker, a major theme has been democrats bailed out mike johnson. it's something you could have tried, and you department k. and you've gotten -- you didn't. doesn't that weaken the speaker, when he can't provide the votes from his own party, and was
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