destruction of evidence, and it doesn't absolve trump of the idea that he willfully retained the documents. he knew he had them in 2022, when he turned stuff over to the archives. they told him, hey, there's classified documents in this stuff. they knew he had them over the course of the next year, talking to his lawyers telling him, turn them over. and the fbi kept funding stuff in what you are turning over. it will ultimately not change anything, but quite possibly with the way judge cannon handles things, it could drag it out just a little bit more. >> just a little bit more. we are now at the first anniversary of the mar-a-lago case, the grand jury and bob dikeman came down on june 8th, 2023. anyone's guess if we get to the second anniversary. bradley moss, thank you, sir, for your time tonight. >> have a good night. >> that is our show for this evening. now, it is time for "the last word", with jonathan k part. lawrence o'donnell come in for jonathan. >> i would love to see if we get the classified documents case, but who knows? >> she take, with the number not on the cake, and eat it depending or not, if it happens. >> if it is sheet cake, let's just eat it, anyway. >> have a good show. >> thank you. today, a jury convicted hunter biden, the only surviving son of president joe biden, of three federal gun felonies. after a little less than three hours of deliberations, 12 jurors in president biden's home state of delaware agreed with prosecutors that hunter biden lied on a mandatory gun purchase form by saying he was not illegally using or addicted to drugs at a time when he was. president joe biden responded with this statement. "as i said last week, i am the president, but i am also a dad. jill and i love our son, and we are so proud of the man he is today. i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter, and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that." she didn't attack the verdict. he didn't say it was rigged. he didn't attack the judge, the prosecutors, or the jury. no, all the while, an irresponsible reaction to the hunter biden verdict today came from republicans. some of whom have embraced the conspiracy myth that the justice department charged and convicted hunter biden of these felonies to misdirect from other crimes, big-league crimes, unnamed, unspecified, imagined, biden crimes that are much bigger and better than all of the actual crimes donald trump is charged with. x trump adviser, steve miller, posted, "the hunter biden verdict is proof that doj is the democrat protection racket." he called the verdict a distraction from the "real crimes." one right-wing commentator things hunter biden was prosecuted as cover for the trump prosecution? >> i don't know if this is fair, you go after donald trump and you go after hunter biden. >> okay, in republicans' defense, you might go a little crazy, too, if you had to defend backing a known fraudster, sexual abuser, and now 34 times convicted felon for president. in a new op-ed, attorney general merrick garland denounced the attacks on the the justice department. "they are baseless, personal, and dangerous." today, the doj sent a letter to jim jordan to confirm that there were no emails between any justice department officials and the office of manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg." the department has no control over the district attorney, just as the district attorney has no control over the department." the committee knows this. despite that, district attorney bragg has agreed to testify before the house on july 12th, the day after donald trump's sentencing. a spokesperson for the manhattan d.a.s office said, "it undermines the rule of law to spread dangerous misinformation, baseless claims, and conspiracy theories following the jury's return of a full count felony conviction in people be trump. nonetheless, we respect our government institutions and plan to appear voluntarily before the subcommittee after sentencing." joining us now, former acting solicitor general of the united states, who has argued more than 50 cases before the supreme court. he is a professor at georgetown law and msnbc legal analyst and host of the podcast "courtside with neil cocktail." neil, thank you much as always for being here. so, now, some republicans are pushing the hunter biden jury verdict as proof of a doj conspiracy. this is some carrie matheson red yarn over a corkboard stuff. eight you have that on your bingo card? >> it is almost impossible. i mean, jonathan, the verdict today makes these conservative claims look ridiculous. i'm -- i mean, for years, these conservatives have been pulling about a politicized justice department and so on. what happened today, this justice department convicted the president's own son, his only living son. i mean, imagine what that would take. imagine you are the attorney general and the president gave you that job, jonathan, one of the most important jobs in the country, in the world, and you have the power -- as every attorney general does, as merrick garland does, to end the prosecution with the stroke of a pen -- and you didn't do it. garland didn't do it. that is what the rule of law is all about, and similarly, the constitution gives the power to the president to pull the plug on any in the constitution, that is article two. so, president biden could have absolutely ended this prosecution once and for all. he didn't do it. that is the test about someone who has convictions in the system. and when it is over, you didn't hear joe biden whining about a trump judge even though the judge here is literally a trump judge appointed by trump, rather you heard the president say, he would accept the outcome of the case. i know no other word for that, but "presidential." >> even went so far as to say he wouldn't pardon his son, that is how much respect he has for the system. so, neal, we saw this with judge merchan, and it seems to be merrick garland's way, too, trying to lower the temperature in the wake of these over the top trump republican attacks. do you think he is responding proportionately to the trump be an all out war on our justice system? >> i was really glad to see the attorney general's op-ed today in the washington post basically saying, look, what the department does is just apply the rule of law, we do so fairly and impartially. that is the justice department that i saw, jonathan, when i worked there in two different administrations. it is why people respect this country so much. this morning, i had the privilege of speaking at a naturalization ceremony for 150 new citizens from 54 countries, and what did they respect about america? they respect exactly a verdict like this, that even the president's own son can be convicted by the president's justice department and the president's prosecution arm, because this president, as almost every president in our history does, respects the constitution and respects the rule of law, unlike some of these republicans, like stephen miller, who spit on this every chance they can. >> what do you expect to see when manhattan d.a. alvin bragg testifies before jim jordan subcommittee? do you think you made the right decision? >> i expect to see a big nothing. i expect to see all sorts of innuendo, akin to the kind of innuendo we are hearing today about how joe biden helped orchestrate the felony conviction of his own son even though it was overseen by trump appointed national council and adjudicated by trump judge -- i am sure we will hear craig cray like that, but there will be no fax, because as the justice department even said today, literally, there was no communication between the prosecutor, matthew, angelo, the centerpiece of these crazy conspiracy theories, and the justice department, zero, none. so, have the hearing. by all means, of course, that is part of congress' responsibilities and oversight. , it would be nice to have some facts in those hearings. >> yeah, it would be nice to have some. i am not expecting any, though. neal, neal katyal, thank you very much for coming to "the last word". >> thank you. so, here's how you know can pick the -- convicted felon, trump, knows it can get much, much, much worse for him. >> you have a deranged individual named jack smith, he is a deranged, john -- dumb guy, he is a dumb son of a -- >> convicted felon, trump, indicted by special prosecutor jack smith on multiple criminal charges for his unsuccessful attempt to overturn the 2020 election, also praised that january 6th writers that attacked the capital calling them "warriors." >> those january 6th warriors, they were warriors, but more than anything else, they were victims of what happened. all they were doing was protesting a rigged election, that is all they were doing. >> while trump was landing in las vegas sunday, president biden was returning from france after commemorating the 80th anniversary of d-day. the biden campaign has released this ad, featuring three american veterans slamming former president trump for being a draft dodger. >> a good commander in chief is somebody who gives a [ bleep ]. i registered, i served in the united states marine corps point >> my name is ed mccabe. i served from the 1990s until 2014. >> my name is matthew mclaughlin. i was a navy pilot for eight years. >> it is the first time i'm shaking the hands of a president of the united states. it was pretty impactful to me to see an individual that supports troops not just on the battlefield, but when we return home. >> i see a man in joe biden who accepts accountability and responsibility, and when i see his predecessor, donald trump, i see a man who is only in this for himself. >> who criticizes veterans, who doesn't see it important to go to the funerals. >> donald trump has zero accountability in his life. >> is a draft dodger, simple as that. >> yesterday, draft dodger donald trump sat for his first probation hearing as a convicted felon, a mandatory requirement before his sentencing on july 11th. meanwhile, president biden held a white house event commemorating juneteenth, a federal holiday he established in 2021 to recognize the emancipation of enslaved african americans after the civil war. in his remarks, president biden reminded the audience why black history is still so important. >> but, let's be clear, they are all ghosts, and they are trying to take this back. they are taking away your freedoms, making it harder for black people to vote. well, i will have your vote counted. closing doors of opportunity, attacking diversity, equity, and inclusion. if you can believe it, banning books about black experiences, trying to erase and rewrite history. or, this is not just about the past, this is about our present and our future. it is whether or not that future is the future for all of us, not just some of us. folks, black history is american history. >> "black history is american history." joining us now, former democratic leader of the house of representatives, james clyburn of north carolina, he is a co-chair of the biden- harris campaign, congressman clyburn, always good to see you, welcome back to the show. i was at the juneteenth event last night and president biden has touted the inflation reduction act, and lowering drug prices, but listen to how the events host, comedian roy wood junior, talked about that achievement. >> we have legislation now for cheaper prescription drugs because of this administration. insulin is down to $35, if you are a senior. and i don't know if anybody here has paid for insulin before, but that is like the bottle service of prescription drugs. so, we appreciate that $35 right there. >> [ laughter ] congressman clyburn, i love the relate ability roy wood jr. used to break it down. it is funny, but it is telling a policy success story. does the campaign need to do more of that? >> well, thank you very much for having me, jonathan. absolutely. we have got to get this out there. this administration has a record that is unequaled, even cannot be imagined by a lot of people who have thought about these kinds of things as we went into the last election. this administration, with this rescue plan, has brought young children out of poverty with this infrastructure bill. it has put in $65 billion for internet when we had no money for infrastructure in the previous administration. it is chips and signs act, it is packed act, it is inflation reduction act. all of these things people said could not be done, joe biden did them. and i get a little irritated when i hear people telling me, "well, he isn't talking loud enough." "he isn't showing the kind of energy we want." we are about substance. substance, not style. that is what will move this country forward. that is what we will leave for our children and grandchildren, to be proud of. real substance. you can talk loud, you can misrepresent, you can prance around. but, the question is, what are you doing? i grew up in the prostitute and i used to listen to my dad's sermons. one of the things i learned early, it is their deeds that make them, not their words. and if you get caught up on the words, and don't pay any attention to the deeds, you might believe in donald trump. but, if you are all about deeds, you will be supporting this president, this administration, biden and harris. >> well, let's talk about -- so, more deeds, congressman clyburn. today, the biden administration announced that medical get -- that can no longer be considered in credit scores and president biden has made debt elimination one of his major pitches on the campaign, but new polling shows that voters are split on student loan forgiveness. three out of 10 approve and four out of 10 disapprove. how concerned are you about the polling numbers we see on the screen there? >> i think it is because people have misrepresented this whole thing about student loan debt elimination. joe biden, if you look at the program, he made it very clear, we are talking about eliminating this compound it is -- interest and all of the things that have accumulated beyond what the original debt was. i have got a constituent -- not a black constituent, but still a constituent -- in north charleston who wrote to the president and copied to me. his original loan was $60,000. over the years, she has paid back nearly $200,000 because of compounded interest, and paying for it for more than 20 years and still owed money. so, when he eliminated that debt, it was on the compounded interest, not the original loan. and people need to look at that. when i hear senator romney saying that this is a bad deal, how can this be a bad deal? the principal is paid back a long, long, long time ago. these people are paying compounded interest that has been put out there about people who are making money when the original principal was paid back a long time ago. so, that is what is going on here. so, nobody is paying anybody's debt. they paid off the debt. it is a compounded interest that people are electing and that is putting people in the poorhouse, as we say down south. >> congressman, let me get you on one more thing before we have to go in a couple of minutes. let's talk about comments that entertainer, $.50, meanwhile on capitol hill last week. listen to this. >> what do you think appears as significant to african-american men this election? >> i see them identify with trump. >> why do you say that? >> because they got rico charges. >> congressman clyburn, your reaction, black men are moving to trump because they've got rico charges? >> [ laughter ] look, he should've been with me last saturday night at the south carolina naacp freedom fund dinner. 100% support for joe biden. not one single person in their, male or female, for donald trump. he should have been with me at greater target memorial miami church on sunday morning, 100% for joe biden. not a single person there for donald trump. i don't know where $.50 is hanging out, but i hang out with naacp. i hang out with the black community, black faith community, and i don't see any support for donald trump. these people aren't worried about rico statutes, they are worried about their children's student loan debt. they are worried about the cost of insulin, when it comes to their healthcare. they are worried about affordable housing. they are worried about broadband deployment. that is what they are getting from this president and they are thinking whatever it is, what they will talk about in rico statutes. the rico statutes down in georgia, that is what donald trump violated. and so, we are upset because he is being called to account for violating the rico statutes? come on, 50 cent. that is worth a dollar to know better. >> [ laughter ] congressman james clyburn, always great to see you. thanks for coming to "the last word". >> thank you very much for having me. >> [ laughter ] all right. "$.50." we are 11 days into pride month and there is one person i know who is in celebrating -- justice samuel alito's wife has been caught on tape sharing her exasperation in seeing pride flags from her house. and that is not the only reason we should be worried about what is on those secret recordings. that is next. at is next. that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it's time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. summer. it's the hungriest time of year for kids across america. kids whose hardworking families are struggling to make ends meet. whether it's working the crazy hours so you can have enough money for food or, you know, just giving up things for your personal self, and it's just yeah, gotta feed your kids. far too many kids are missing the meals they need this summer. that's why i'm here now asking you to join me in helping end child hunger in america for just $0.63 a day. that's only $19 a month. you can help provide healthy meals to power kids through their days. they're growing at this age, and they need the best diet they can have. so please, call now or go online to helpnokidhungry.org right now give $19 a month, only $0.63 a day. and when you use your credit card, you'll get this special team t-shirt to show that you're helping kids build a brighter future for themselves and for the world. we want to ensure that all of our kids have healthy meals every day, and many of our parents and many of our communities are still suffering. it's very difficult to, you know, have a good family setting when we are worrying about having enough food for your family. you can help kids get healthy meals this summer and all year long. please join me in supporting no kid hungry today. for just $0.63 a day, only $19 a month. you can help provide healthy meals to kids across america and in your local community. thank you for giving. thank you for giving. thank you! families are struggling to make ends meet. these are hard times. so please call now or go online to give. "my wife is fond of flying flags." that is what supreme court justice samuel alito said when he blamed his wife for flying two different flags at their homes that are associated with the stop the steel movement and carried by writers at the january 6th insurrection. new secret recordings of his wife, martha and alito are revealing more about flying flags. >> you know what i want? i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flags next month and he is like, please don't put up a flag. and i said, i want to do it because i am referring to you. but, when you are free of this nonsense, i'm putting it up and i'm going to send them a message every day, maybe every week i will be changing the flags. they will be all kind, this is how i satisfy myself. i made a flag. it's white and it is yellow and orange flames around it and in the middle is the word vergona, which means shame in italian. >> that is the wife of a supreme court justice being openly hostile to a complete stranger about the pride flag. a symbol of freedom and equality for the lgbtq+ community during pride month. people, like me, being proud of who they are makes her mad. it makes her want to send them a message. it makes her want to fly a flag that says "shame." this is not a woman who is unclear about the message of the flags she is fine. and for what it is worth, i don't think anyone would care if they looked across the potomac and saw a jesus flag flying. there are lots of martha-ann's in america who also harbor this kind of grievance. but, this is martha-ann alito. she is not just any random person, she is married to a supreme court justice, for life. one of the most powerful people in the country, who is actively rolling back americans' constitutional rights. justice alito authored the majority opinion revoking nearly 50 years of rights for women when the court overturned roe v wade. that laid the foundation for another right-wing justice with a right-wing wife, clarence thomas, to target the lgbtq+ community by saying "the supreme court should reconsider " two cases that reaffirmed the rights of same-sex, including same-sex marriage. so, martha-ann alito longs for the day when samuel alito is "free of all this nonsense." she is thinking about who will replace him on the court. are you? joining me now, kelly robinson, president of the human rights campaign. kelly, thank you for coming back to "the last word". your reaction to what we heard from mrs. alito? >> shocking, and also not shocking in the same sense. what she is saying about flags, it is not about flags, it is a dog whistle to maga bullies across the board. what she wants to do is use the flag as a simple to talk about how they want to erase us from public life, to push us back into the closet. and when i think about what today represents, not only is it pride month, but tomorrow represents eight years since the pulse mass shooting, were 49 members of our communities lives were stolen forever. this type of violent action and political rhetoric leads to real-world outcomes. so, anyone that is listening to her, anyone who is watching what she says should be very, very concerned. not only about her words, but what it means in terms of the actions of the people that are listening to her. >> this new audio from justice alito tonight, listen. >> i just wanted to ask you, why do you think the supreme court is so -- is being so attacked and being so targeted by the media these days? >> well, i think it's a simple reason. they don't like our decisions and they don't like how they anticipate we may decide some cases that are coming up. that's -- that's the beginning and the end of it." kelly, does the sound often is, given the two abortion cases and two january 6th cases yet to be decided this term? >> to me, it sounds hypocritical. i mean, i remember when barack obama wore a tan suit and people acted like it was the end of democracy. >> those lines! >> right! now, we are talking about a whole supreme court justice whose wife is saying things like this, who is espousing these beliefs that are concerning for someone who is on the highest court of the land. so, i do think anyone who is listening to the words that are coming out of justice alito's mouth, you should be concerned. but, i also know if you are a person of color, if you are an lgbtq+ person, a woman, or someone who is non-binary, we don't have the luxury of letting our concern and fear put us into a state of paralysis. we have to understand that this is why it is more critical than ever that we get out and vote this november. our lives are quite literally at stake. >> you know, trump is out there giving comfort to antiabortion groups, promising to "defend life," while republicans are not voting to protect conception. today, a federal judge struck down a florida ban on transgender care for minors. these all sound like rights this ideological supreme court has no interest in protecting. >> they don't. they have said the quiet part out loud already. i mean, we have to remember that when roe v wade was overturned, justice clarence thomas' concurrence, he said out loud, the next court should revisit lawrence, they should revisit griswold, these are cases that fundamentally asserted our basic rights as lgbtq+ people in this country, and our right to contraception. so, anytime they say that these things aren't on the table, that these rights aren't at risk, look at what they are doing. we should all, again, be very concerned with what we are seeing, but also take it as a call to action, because at the end of the day, we still live in a democracy. our votes still count, and there is something we can do right now about how this course has gotten so far disconnected from this actual mission and our democracy. >> you know, as i mentioned before, i was at the juneteenth event where i met your beautiful wife last night, but that is not the point why i'm bringing that up. i want to play something that vice president harris said last night. watch. >> across our nation, we witnessed a full on attack on hard-fought, hard won freedoms and rights, including the freedom of a woman to make decisions about her own body, the freedom to be who you are and love who you love openly and with pride, the freedom from fear of bigotry and hate, the freedom to learn and acknowledge our nation's true and full history, and the freedom that unlocks all others the freedom to vote. >> how important is it to stress to voters that the supreme court is on the ballot in november? what is at stake is more samuel alito, or marco tonya brown jackson? >> exactly. what i saw from kamala harris right now, that is leadership. and at the end of the day when we think about this election that is coming up, it is not just about two candidates, it is about two fundamentally different visions for our country, two fundamentally different visions for our future, and our children. when you talk to people regardless of where they are on the political spectrum, a lot of our fears are the same, worry that your kids will have a better life than you do today, worries about inflation, making sure schools are good, and welcoming, and safe. but, i want to make sure that whoever we elect, the solutions are about moving us forward and not pulling us back. what the supreme court has shown that they are willing to do from the overturn of roe v wade, to all that they have said and done in the last year, they are willing to roll back the rights, not even the last 10 years or last 40 years, but the last 100. we have got to do something about it, for the sake of all of our communities, and especially for the sake of our kids. >> kelly robinson, president of the human rights campaign, thank you very much for coming to "the last word". >> thank you. coming up, it is election night in nevada. it is a must win state for joe biden and kamala harris, and a must win seat for democrats if they hope to hold onto the senate. nevada senator jacky rosen joins us next. ins us next. and long-lasting gain scent beads. part of the irresistible scent collection from gain. ♪♪ rising costs. selective coverage. for countless americans, the complex specialty care they need has always felt... just out of reach. ♪♪ at evernorth, we give members unrivaled access to the most complex therapies at the best prices. while providing enhanced support like in—home nursing at no additional cost. that's wonder made possible. evernorth health services. hi guys! bill, you look great! now that i have inspire, i'm free from struggling with the mask and the hose. inspire? 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>> well, i can tell you latino voters in nevada, they are the decisive vote. i can also tell you that my team in nevada, so many of them born and raised in nevada, i, myself, lived there for the last 50 years, just about. so, we are in the community all the time, we are listening, we are responding. i can tell you, i sit on the small business and entrepreneurship committee, and when i talk to our latin chamber of congress, we talked to all of our latino small businesses, so many entrepreneurs, we want to be sure that they have all the tools they need to keep their small business and thrive. we talk about affordable healthcare, it is really, really important that we talk about education, our environment, we are connecting with our latino voters every day on the issues that matter to them. kitchen table issues, the same issues that matter to everybody else. >> senator rosen, the late longtime nevada senator, harry reid, built a famous statewide democratic organization in nevada. is the reid machine still in effect in nevada? >> well, what senator reid did is really build a coordinated campaign. so, what that means for the nevada state democratic party, all of the candidates, the incumbents and candidates who are running, we work together to be sure we knock on doors, we do our field program, we are talking about the issues, we coordinate. that is really what is the magic. being sure that we are communicating, working together, bringing people together, because nevada families really matter. listening to them and delivering for them really matters, like delivering for our seniors. i can tell you for our veterans, we passed the pact act in northern nevada in reno, we will have that va hospital, they are searching for that 50 acre site now. it will be a game changer for the veterans in northern nevada. whether it is our seniors, our veterans, our students, our tours economy, we are listening, and we are delivering. >> senator jacky rosen of nevada, thank you very much for coming to "the last word". >> thank you for having me. coming up, biden is beating trump in a new election forecast, and one of the big reasons is biden's strength in the key swing state of wisconsin, and particularly with a group of voters who make up the bulk of the trump base. that is next. that is next. okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. 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the fundamentals favored biden, and according to 538, biden currently has a better chance of winning pennsylvania and all of the blue wall states of michigan, minnesota, and wisconsin. my newest favorite, the washington post has a new report about president biden's success so far in wisconsin, where republicans will officially renominate a convicted felon donald trump after a national convention next month. particularly, with white, noncollege voters who make up the trump base. the post reports wisconsin democrats attribute part of biden's relative strength with white voters without degrees to a real progressive tradition that has faded but not disappeared -- and part of it to tenacious organizing, including in rural areas where many of those voters live. biden's campaign is investing in an unprecedented field operation in wisconsin with 47 coordinated campaign offices across the state, more offices than biden has in any other battleground state, and far more than republicans have in wisconsin, staffed by more than 100 full-time campaign workers. even ousted republican governor scott walker admitted to the post, "the organization is on the side of the left," so joining us now, ben worker, wisconsin democratic republican chair, and sandy wendy, the greene county democratic party chair. thank you for coming to "the last word". you worked tirelessly to defeat the scott walker gop machine in wisconsin, but it must still feel good to have walker praise the democratic organization. >> it does feel good. it is the result of a huge amount of work by thousands of people in the most rural parts of our state. in suburbs, big towns, small towns, and cities. our motto is we work statewide and year-round. we don't take anyone for granted and we don't write anyone off. that is what it takes to win in a state like wisconsin. you can see the result in the numbers and it is an exciting moment. if we win wisconsin we win the white house. >> sandy, tell us about the green county voters you are reaching out to. is this 2020 biden voters who might be going software a true undecided voter? what issues do they care about? >> i think the issues they care about are the real, kitchen table issues that a lot of us have been talking about. affordable care, healthcare. women's reproductive rights. voting rights. saving our democracy. good education and childcare. basically kitchen table issues, that is what we are hearing about. >> what do you say back to them when you hear about kitchen table economic issues? >> we talked to them about some of the issues president biden and kamala harris have already put forward. unemployment, the jobs that have been created. money that has come into greene county for various things such as our ymca in our county seat, in the city of munro. we have received funding for that. basic issues like that. we try to point out to people what is being done. >> on the flipside on the ground, what do you hear from voters about donald trump, if anything? >> that they really don't want to have him back in office. >> simple as that. >> simple as that. >> so, ben, how do voters -- how voters get their information has changed, much more in social media or add then newspaper editorials, which breaks my heart as an opinion writer. how has that changed voter outreach? >> the first thing we have to assume is that there is no silver bullet. you might get something on the evening news that reaches some voters. some voters are reading the weekly newspaper that comes in. maybe they pick it up in the grocery store. we have to really be everywhere. social media platforms. on any screen. billboards, yard signs, door to door organizing, phone calls, text messages. show up at parades. show up at county fairs. we try to build a surroundsound environment so people here from trusted messengers and we assume that just because you say something similar doesn't mean everyone has heard it. on you have to say it over and over and that is what it will take. we have to cut through the noise. trump is trying to confuse people. he's trying to throw people off. we need to bring people's focus back to what affects them directly. their freedom. to make their own decisions about their own body. living in a democracy and who is fighting for them, fighting special interests and bringing down costs. trump promising wealthy voters whatever they want. that contrast does resonate with people, but you have to go where the voters are and not expect them to come to you. >> you have been nodding in agreement. my last question to you is if president biden were to come to greene county and ask your advice on what he should say to voters, what would you tell him? >> that is a good question. i guess just to be honest with him and what he plans to do with the voters. listening to them, the most important thing, listening to the voters and what their issues are and being able to address those. i know if president biden were to come to greene county, they would be ecstatic. >> i can't tell time, so we actually have about 90 seconds l left. same weston to you. what would you say to team biden? what would you say they need to work on or watch out for? >> we love president biden w coming to our state because he does listen to people and they move toward him. we also have local candidates. 97 out of 99 assembly districts covered with local candidates. we are organizing everywhere. our website, if anyone wants to help us organize, volunteer, chip in. i love what president biden does which is really dig into what he is doing and wants to do. he announced a $3.3 billion investment by microsoft in a community where trump showed up and promised the sun, moon, and stars with a golden shovel and never did anything. that contrast early lands for people wondering what job they will be working over the next 10 years. when president biden does something it clicks. we love the president's visit, we hope they keep coming and we think we can draw a real contrast with trump who talks big, delivers nothing and tries to ward it all for himself instead of serving the people. >> i think it is guaranteed president biden and vice president harris will be back in wisconsin multiple times before election day. thank you both very time -- very much for coming to the e last word. we will be right back. when i was diagnosed with h-i-v, i didn't know who i would be. but here i am... being me. keep being you... and ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed h-i-v treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in many people whether you're 18 or 80. with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to undetectable—and stay there whether you're just starting or replacing your current treatment. research shows that taking h-i-v treatment as prescribed and getting to and staying undetectable prevents transmitting h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems. do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your healthcare provider about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. if you have hepatitis b do not stop taking biktarvy without talking to your healthcare provider. common side effects were diarrhea, nausea, and headache. no matter where life takes you, biktarvy can go with you. talk to your healthcare provider today. ♪♪ ♪♪ citi's industry leading global payments solutions help their clients move money around the world seamlessly in over 180 countries... and help a partner like the world food programme as they provide more than food to people in need. together, citi and the world food programme empower families across the globe. ♪♪ nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it's time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight, hunter bide
and many cbp customs and border protection high-level officials have told members of congress and the public that they're concerned about terrorist and known as what we call k asts, known suspected terrorists, and people in the no fly list sneaking across the southern border because of the the volume of individuals that are coming and the number of countries are coming from. >> i mean, this is exactly what we've heard from republican critics of the southern border and how it's being handled at this moment is a concern that this something like this could happen and the system not working yeah, it's always a concern, especially when we would call them up the gottaways. so if you look at if one in every hundred thousand individuals who get away is a known as suspected terrorists. you can have dozens or hundreds of individuals that could potentially threats and so this is a wake-up call to all yeah. >> it certainly is marvin southern border. your connection broke up a little there at the bet, but a great point and we'll keep watching this denial, harvard. thank you for that. thank you all so much for joining us. state a news night with abby. phillip starts now republicans tried to eat their cake and have it too that's tonight on these nine good evening. >> i'm have you fill up in new york tonight president biden and his family are huddling together in delaware. after a jury convicted his surviving son on all three federal gun charges. it is the first time in american history that an immediate family member of a sitting us president was convicted of a crime. now the moment, of course, creates the split-screen of conservatives who just 12 days ago were slamming the rule of law, slamming the judge, the jury, and the verdict in donald trump's manhattan trial some even claimed the conviction was the end of the republicans. we know it but tonight, they seem to be singing from a completely different tune this is a new error in america, and i think it goes against the elc of who we are as americans and our faith in the criminal justice system in the end, this juror, jury of ordinary people from delaware, we're not intimidated and by that family and they recognize that this was a clear cut case and that clearly no one is above the law. this is a very political exercise. and you have to say that it accomplish what it set out to accomplish. but i would say this abet judge noreika, i think she ran a very fair courtroom. she ran a very fair brian, i guess we all need to shop at banana republic from now on because that's what it feels like. yeah, a banana republic for years, the bikes have been able to escape any legal accountability for their sleazy corrupt conduct but today they're luck ran out, at least hunters did. >> power is all they love. >> and they're willing to do anything to cling to it. they're willing to destroy the rule of law the republic has been wounded by week lawyers and talent less political bloodhounds gave me a little boost of confidence in the american legal system although they still have a lot of work to do to win me back, i believe that there was a conscious collusion of allies that came together it's pretty obvious with a private strategy to eliminate a common shared adversary, a hundreds going to jail. so joe doesn't have to and when he comes out, he'll be rewarded for his loyalty, like a made man and a biden crime family. this is a distraction from the influence, peddling and the kickbacks yes. >> these are two different trials under very different circumstances. hunter biden was federal trump's was not the crimes and the evidence all completely different. but you can't claim the justice system is dead because of a single conviction, while also praising it for another you can't claim president biden is weaponizing the justice department to go after his enemies. when that same department just convicted his own son but in a world of maga, perhaps you can prominent conservatives are trading baseless conspiracies, for another now they're claiming that hunter biden's trial was a sham to give cover to biden. >> charlie kirk. kirk says the democrats will use the conviction to claim that the system is fair. vivek ramaswamy, he calls it a smokescreen to deflect attention from biden's other crimes republican senator tom cotton says, it's a way to insulate joe biden who is guilty of corruption trump's campaign calls the case a distraction from the quote biden crime family. now remember, this is the same biden that conservatives claim can't walk, can't talk or think on his own but just so we're clear, biden has no power over a state-level prosecution but the same federal government that he actually runs just prosecuted his own son and the system we're supposed to believe is rate that just makes no sense we're gonna get to all of that in a moment. but first, tonight joining me now is reverend dr. christopher bolick. he is a spiritual advisor to light and family and the pastor at canaan baptist church in new castle, delaware. reverend, thank you for being with us. >> it's good to be with you, abby. god bless you. thank you for having me. >> thank you for being here. you spoke last night or before this verdict, i should say, with hunter biden how was he when you last spoke with him? >> he was upbeat. he was positive and but he understood the gravity of the situation and the nature of the trial. so he is well aware of what the possibilities where uncertainty disappointed in the verdict. however, things did not go on his favor does not mean that the favor of god is not a ban him. we believe that his faith is strong course is family is strong and width him. and i encouraged him to look to the heel from what's come at this help? all of his help coming from the lord. but he's focused and we know that things are going to work out in the end a hunter biden has talked about his addiction. >> he's talked about what that has been like for his life, but i wonder on this particular issue or the set of issues that he was charged, it has now been convicted of has he ever expressed remorse for what led to all of this? >> i believe that he's aware of every step of his journey and remorse is a part of the process therefore, he is prepared to move forward knowing that god is a forgiving god he has said in his own words that he has hurt people along the wake but we know that the power of prayer, the power family, the power of faith can change him and any situation listen, abbe this addiction issue is a disease this impacted millions of americans regardless of race, creed, or color, phd, no, d, g, d, md jd. this disease is real. and we know that it's a journey and it's a season in his life and this season will hopefully in, in a way in which we've been endured for night, but joy will come in the next season i cnn spoke earlier today with one of the jurors in this case. >> juror number ten, i want to play for you. what he said about the defense i felt i felt bad that they put naomi on trial on witness i i think that was probably a strategy that should not have been done no. no daughter should ever have to testify or again, sir, dad you know, this family wow. was it a mistake for the defense to put a hunters own daughter through that i think they had to make some critical decisions. they had a particular strategy and they were going for what would work for them, what would give them favor in the face of the jury at all? the judge at all who are concerned. it was painful. but we understand that the fence had a strategy. they believe it would work. and we know that this family, again it has gone through was going through a lot and at the end of the day, it's all about what's in the best interests of hunter and the biden family we saw those emotional images of president biden hugging his only surviving son can you tell us what this has been like for him going through this trial? >> a different kind of trial compared to some of the other trials that he's gone through in his life with the loss of his late wife and several of his other children president, my friend and brother is a man of resilience. a man of deep faith a, man who understands the hand of god when god's hand moves in, his life. and he said that, let justice play out and whatever the decision was of the jewelry, he would respect and accept the decision. but when i saw him come home tonight and embraced his son i saw the power of love let me say this. abby love is greater than politics the bible says, loves the more excellent way love indu, with all things, believes all things love is patient. love is kind and the script it talks about that. nothing can separate us from the love of god, the love of god is in that family our president and first lady. they love onto and we love him and we will continue to walk alongside him with the ministry of presence. my role has been the past of presence in the courtroom. we prayed three times in the courtroom. we brought the church house to the courthouse. we prayed openly we prayed, we hugged, and he knows the power of prayer and god always has the last word. and i just think something good is going to come out of this in the end. and god will use this moment for his glory on his own time reverend dr. christopher bullock. >> thank you very much for sharing all of that with us god bless you. >> thanks for having me abbe and for more. let's bring in our panel here, former clinton white house aide, keith boy can also with a cnn political commentator, s. >> e. cupp and reason editor at large, matt welch asieh, that at the end there is basically what the message from the biden world is going to be about this, which is that this is a story three of a family, a family like any other, where someone has messed up. and the father loves the son. nothing more. do you think that that is going to work in this situation? >> i think everyone can relate to some parts of this. >> i don't find a hunter biden to be a terribly sympathetic figure, not because of his addiction, but because he's messed up a lot. he's broken the law and i don't think he's been a great family man, but at the end of the day, this is someone sign that someone happens to be the president. and for the president to say, i'm not putting my finger on the scale for this one. i'm not i don't even want to talk about it. i can't imagine how you do that. i can't imagine as a parent, how you disassociate from that. and i think that will look very noble and good to a lot of democratic voters. >> there's also a possibility that this completely doesn't matter to voters at all yeah i'm one of the people who thinks it doesn't really matter to voters. >> hunter biden is not running for president and i don't know if that's a newsblaster. anyway, but donald trump was convicted and he is running for president hunter biden is a son of a candidate for president and the president himself refused as estee pointed, to, put his thumb on the scale of justice. he refused to intervene, he refused to stop the prosecution, refused to condemn the judge and jury. he refused to promise to pardon hunter biden after the conviction that's a stark and dramatic contrast from everything adopted. trump has done since donald trump has been on trial attacking everybody involved in his trial. okay. let me play this from the speaker of the house, mike johnson. he was asked by our own manu raju about the way that republicans are responding to a hunter biden versus how they dealt with donald trump. listen mr. speaker, you've been saying two tier system of justice for some time. >> here's the president's son being convicted on three counts. that undercut your client. >> it doesn't every cases different and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. i don't think that's the case and the trump trials and all the of charges that have been brought against could have been obviously brought for political purposes. a hunter biden as a separate instance that's a separate instance, but the other thing about the hunter biden is that this is not the only hunter biden trial. >> we'll see. there will be another one. it come this fall. so are we going to go through the motions again? i'm saying everything hot? that happens to hunter is aboveboard. anything that happens to trump is not i think that the way that we should think about this is to try to get ourselves as individual consumers out of the non-stop political consideration. >> let's look for the republicans. there's at least one thomas massie. i saw him do this in congress today. say this is ridiculous. he, let's, we shouldn't be convicting someone and sending him to 25 years in prison for doing one thing, he lied on an application. >> there's no victim in this crime. >> there's no victim and trump's crime either, right? so if we we have a sickness of in the criminal justice system in this country, we have so many people in jail. >> we have so many victimless crimes. >> harvey solar relate the great civil libertarian writer has had a book called three felonies a day. that's the average that us very law-abiding citizens on this panel commit everyday because there's so much in the criminal code. right. so that puts everything up to the discretion. question of prosecutors. >> and we're sitting around and if we're republican, we cheered hunter biden getting locked up or a convicted for democrat would share donald trump, i say as americans, let's work back. >> is there a victim if there's not, let's stop sharing i listen. >> i'm glad it for ones we are talking about the ways in which perhaps this country over criminalizes people, 20 people in prison. i just never thought that it would come up because of donald trump and hunter biden. >> but let me just as a gun owner. >> okay it's a crime to lie on a gun application for a reason. and there could have been a victim to this crime that's why you don't lie on a form or purchase a firearm. there wasn't that's lucky. but it's bad for every law abiding gun owner when people break the law in an attempt to buy a gun. >> i mean, i think that should have been i understand both your points, but i thought the point matt was making surprise. i agree with you and this is that even if we think that that hunter biden did something wrong, he broke the law which the jury found that he did maybe we shouldn't be putting him in jail for them. i'm not sure if that's what you're making your knife. maybe you're making definitely a point. maybe you're making whether we shouldn't be prosecuting him. i think we should prosecute people when they when they violate the law, then maybe we shouldn't put everybody in jail and incarcerate everybody when they aren't found guilty. many people think have committed unlawful drug use while filling out a gun applicant probably 20 million. well, if they look at the number of gun owners in the number of people who smoke pot 20 million people and very few get prosecuted. almost all of whom who do have less material advantages than 100 biden does. are we thinking about that joe biden go to jail? >> i mean, he might not serve. >> i'm saying we shouldn't be prosecuting people who smoke, break the law, who break. we should i say, this is man, granted, this is a weird libertarian thing to say, but i think that if you would expect nothing less, if the victim is the government's yeah. and you smoke pot and it filled out an application. you can get punished and not go to understand to properly understand the gun the part i take very seriously. >> do you think that this is an example? look, i mean, if we're talking about tonight, okay. maybe the argument is donald trump would not have been prosecuted where he not president hunter biden, would he have been prosecuted where he not the president's son? >> i don't think he might have been prosecuted. probably not. and he certainly wouldn't have had this thing here where we discovered new felonies only after the plea agreement fell down. think about this, like months ago were like cool with him walking free. and now we're like maybe he should go to jail for up to 25 years this is also a trial penalty, right? this is the reason why 98% of all criminal cases never go to trial because they're always stacking up of charges to scare the bejesus out of you so that you'll plead guilty and then you'll walk or maybe you'll go to jail for a brief period of time. >> can i just ask a case i mean, i think that's a very good faith argument that we're hearing here for matt. would you even consider applying that same argument to donald trump in terms of the crime that he was convicted of, new york absolutely. i don't believe in i don't believe in incarcerating everybody, including donald trump i know i've never wanted to lock him up people i've said that as a joke on my internet feeds but for the most part, i don't think we shouldn't be blocking anybody got for nonviolent white-collar crimes are non-violent offenses in general, i think we should find other forms of ways to freak to treat with, to deal with the situation of crime without incarcerating people. and we don't do that. and our country where there's donald trump or hunter biden, let's be fair, but i agree with you on that. >> all right. well, we have a lot of agreement at the table here. i appreciate that everyone stick around breaking news tonight from the pioneers having mccarthy's revenge tour against her pop blinken's who ousted him, plus the justice department takes the extraordinary step of debunking one of trump's most common conspiracies. and as concerned for this plot, a second trump term, democrats are now making moves of their own for 2025. this is news well, it's hard besides dad is a legends that his legendary moves might be passed down to you. ancestry dna can show you which traits were inherited where they came from and who he shares them with? but get moving. this sale is only for a limited time, introducing new advil targeted relief. the only topical 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than expected and is helping the entire world the fbi reporting that violent crime in america has shown historic declines with the murder rate showing the sharpest drop they also come as a group of house democrats are now launching a counter to the infamous project 2025, put forward by conservatives that's the heritage foundation's plan for a second trump term, which proposes eliminating, for example, the justice department, the homeland security department, and the fbi. now, even though it's only june if democrats, for example, our delta good hand politically the question is, are they capable of actually playing it i mean this is the big question. if you've got an economy that is actually humming along, you've got crime that is going down that is a reversal of fortunes for democrats. and yet americans are still sauer. can they reverse that? is that messaging? is it something else? they're not feeling it yet. americans are not feeling this american economic large jess, they don't care that we're helping the world. most americans feel like i helped my my own bank account, helped my wallet helped me at the pump they're not feeling they're feeling more unsafe. they're not feeling like crime is going down. so the numbers are important. but you can't tell voters that what they're feeling is wrong. and so the messaging is very complicated for joe biden and democrats to say, look how great the world is. but i know you're still hurting on this stuff is like a lagging indicator in a way sometimes i actually don't know if that characterization is right. i see because according to the polls, i've seen, the public actually, they do feel that their personal economic situation is better. >> i just talking two according according to the polls, this is they don't feel like that the country has as a whole other, everyone else is doing as well, but they individually feel better about the, about their economic situation according to the polls, i say maybe i'm incorrect, but that's what i've seen. >> i think and i think trump voter one of the major reasons is they feel like this economy is terrible and inflation has been bad for them personally. >> well, i think the reality is that because people's wages have increased faster than actual inflation has increased, people have a stronger economic position and they would be otherwise we also know that more people have jobs 15.6 million people have jobs now for the african american community, we've had the lowest black unemployment rate in history. >> we also complaining about that. >> no you're not playing. i know i know. but i think also i don't want to be the person to make this argument, but i'm going to make it anyway. the media, we have a responsibility for his for doing this too. >> we can we continue to say this is reporting the facts. >> the economy is doing well or crime is going down. we say the economy is going well and the crime is going down. but this isn't really playing for the american people. why is it playing for the american people? because we keep asking this question the way that makes it a question instead of a fat, it is that the current that crime is going down. we're talking to the fact the kind of thing, but that's a direction as opposed to like an overall real-world thing. >> we had an incredible insane spike in the year 2020 in everything 2020, we lost our marbles and yes, things trend better since 2020, but a lot of people remember 2019 and that's not like a, like a trump nostalgia bit. >> they just remember when prices were different, when interest rates, which is a huge thing that almost never gets discussed about home prices. it is really, you can feel that and see that prices are just higher than they were in 2020 or 2021. and it's not gonna be good messaging to say you're just not understanding how great the economy you want to get to project 2025 for a second here, because this is something that i have noticed. i don't know if you've noticed this. i see a lot of more liberals talking about this. it's kinda wonky, but it's become real fodder for democrats to say here are the extremist plans for a second, trump administration is this a wound that republicans have opened up for themselves? >> no, it is an election year, democratic party branding exercise, and it's not actually very serious if your project is to stop pop bad people from exercising government power. >> if you were actually interested in saying, oh no, trump might be in power, we should do something. maybe you would've spend a minute. i don't know over the last four years or eight years, we're filling whatever timeline you want. actually reducing the power in the presidency, actually reducing power in government. i don't think elizabeth warren has been like, how can i reduce whose power in government? >> joe biden signed an asylum executive order last week that he knows is probably illegal that trump used that was thrown out by the courts because he was probably illegal. it's not about the use of the power is about the abuse of power and democrats don't have the power and have never had the power to be able to unilaterally make these decisions. because of the way you have a complicated system of government with the senate and the house and the filibusters know that. >> i think that the problem is that would project 2025 does is it takes us back in time. >> it reverses it reverses basic the 20th century. it takes us back to a time. the civil service rules don't apply. where protections for lgbtqi people don't exist, protections for women don't exist protections for minorities and immigrants and african americans don't exist. rev, voting rights are decimated, would become a christian nationalist country. and this is all weaponized because donald trump has no policy issues that he talks about. it just talks about his personal grievances. it's the only thing we have to go on is project 2025 and the heritage foundation and the conservative scholars who are putting this out there are letting us know that this is the plant they will implement if trump is elected. >> well, i'm just glad that democrats are taking this seriously because i hear a lot of denialism from the left people who say the polls aren't wrong. joe biden is going to win, don't worry about this. i am glad there are democrats in the house who are very seriously considering what will happen when trump wins. yeah, we will see what kind of turnout mechanism this product 2025 turns out to be for democrats, keith asieh and matt. thank you all very much. and extraordinary step for the doj. now, disproving a conspiracy theory, i'll explain what the attorney general merrick garland said about that next. plus liberal tv host rachel maddow says that she is afraid the trump who jail her and other americans. bryan stelter joints plus results are rolling in now when key states across the country tonight, we'll have the latest on tonight's primary elections just to the most anticipated moment of 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including this one that the biden administration coordinated with the manhattan da's office by sending an official there to target trump and now joe biden has weaponized law enforcement to interfere in our elections. >> matthew colangelo. it colangelo's should know. >> he faces years in prison. this was planned from the biden white house, is top person called angelo and some others i've been placed into the da's office to make sure they do a good job of election interference. >> the number three under merrick garland at the department of justice, he left that cushy job at the department of justice to go be a line prosecutor in a city office that shows how coordinated this is. >> these are all biden trials because let's call angela works for biden. >> can you imagine they take a guy out of doj and they put them into the attorney general's office and then the manhattan da's office. >> to go after trump. >> alvin bragg, who not only met with joe biden, joe biden's lawyers in the white house. he took one of joe biden's lawyers from the department of justice to have him bring this case back collegial was obsessed with trump before mac collegial worked for letitia james michelangelo knows that democratic operative, he seems obsessed with trump. so now he comes back there to revitalize this case. well, angelo is a radical left from the doj, who was put into the state working with letitia james. and then was put into the district attorney's office to run the trial. hello. against trump. >> give us the communications if they exist, if they don't tell us, but he won't say which leads anyone with common sense to believe there was communication going on all right. >> well, let's talk about those communications according to the justice department, they don't exist in a letter to the judiciary committee, the doj says that they looked and there was a 00 email communication with the manhattan da's office nor any communications between colangelo's and the da's office? the doj calls their effort to dispel these conspiracies as extraordinary, which seems now like the new normal joining me is brian stelter. he's the author of network of lies. he's also a special correspondent for vanity fair brian, is there any amount of fats? given right to congressman jim jordan that would change this web of conspiracies, web of lies. lies, and there are not, there are not. and it's because of what cast sudden see wrote 15 years ago for the harvard law review, he said, this self-serving the self-sealing quality of conspiracy theories is what makes them so dangerous for government directed attempts to puncture the conspiracy theory causes the people who believe it to just fold all of that does debunking into the theory itself self-sealing. that's the problem with these theories. >> i want to play when we had dr. phil on the show and this came up but just listened to this exchange you really think that party politics don't cross state lines federal versus state leinz, that there aren't meeting some people talk about this and make decisions about what's best for the party if you think that there aren't politics that goes into some of these decisions. i think that would be a naive position while luck, all i'm saying is that there's no evidence that that happened one way or another. he doesn't have any proof. he said it right there. i mean, the dpp sayyed that you saw me take there. i felt like i had to take another one now salted when i would walk is very difficult to rationalize when the people you're talking to acknowledge there's no there's no there there. >> and it's interesting to think about what is dr. phil doing? why is he motivated in that way? what is jim jordan thinking? i think they're trying to make sense of a complex world. conspiracy theories help simplify complexity, but they do so by taking shortcuts and real world and real life with real-world thinking, there are no shortcuts that's these guys are trying to take shortcuts, trying to use code words and buzzwords and propaganda in order to satisfy an audience by taking shortcuts. and there are no shortcuts in this real complex. >> we're just as a point on civics. the complexity is the point that is actually how the system is designed to work so that it doesn't get rigged up so that i do want to move on to what msnbc host rachel maddow has said she said in an email to cnn's reliable sources i am worried about the country broadly if we put someone in power who is openly vowing that he plans to build camps to hold millions of people into root out what he's described in sub-human terms as his enemy from within for that matter, what convinces you that these masses the camps, he's planning are only for migrants. so yes, i'm worried about me, but only as much as i am worried about all of us she she makes a point that this is not just about migrants if he's really to do it for them, why not you or me are the enemy of the people are joe schmo walking down the street. but this has been shorthanded as matt, i was afraid which is gonna be thrown in jail. >> and unfortunately, her comments were nuance and thoughtful to cnn. a lot of the dialogue, i think ever since has been anything but nuance and thoughtful. she's raising something important i think it's valuable to think ahead to what may happen in a second trump term. this is frankly speculative nonfiction because we use the words that trump and his allies have said, and we use them to talk about the future future jail, of course, is a extreme part of the spectrum. imprisonment is an extreme part. but think about irs audits. think about government pressure on media companies. think about other forms of government interference. there are a lot of pressure points and frankly, rachel maddow is not the only member of the media thinking about this. i've talked to the heads of news organizations, ceos, and media companies that are thinking through not in dramatic fashion, not because they're afraid of going to jail, that because they want to know what could trump due to use his power in the second term to punish the media. and it's also now a real question whether the voters actually take that information and believe in i also want to note that that a great interview with matt i was conducted by our own oliver darcy over at reliable sources, you're hold stomping grounds. >> bryan steck, that she's bringing it up because we need to think through these issues even though it can sound a little bit out there talking about it. yeah, absolutely. bryan stelter. thank you very much and polls have just closed in nevada where a key senate races now up for grabs. we're going to have the latest results coming up and also coming up next, our new audio from justice samuel alito, liberal activists lauren windsor shares new excerpts from her secret recordings live night 11:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn devastating and sudden power of tsunamis happened in faraway lins, and it's easy to think. >> it can't 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republican at this particular point. for them to get control. but i want to also take a look at some other cute primaries let's go to the palmetto state, south carolina where trump made a bunch of endorsements as well. we'll go down to charleston. and what do we see here? nancy mace, who of course is kind of gone back and forth with trump, right? but he endorsed her this time around. of course, kevin mccarthy was on the other side of this particular battle, but nancy mace with a very wide margin, 57% of the vote, way more than needed to avoid a run-off. she is going to win that republican primary. there are much stronger performance. then she had four years ago, let's go up to greenville in the north west part of south carolina this is a very interesting race. were william timmons, the incumbent, has been sort of angered some freedom caucus folks, donald trump though endorsed him right now. we have not called this race to my knowledge, but blamed timmons does in fact have an advantage right now of a little bit less than ten percentage points. so this could be trumped two for two on the evening. and of course, trump's so far has not lost a single race in which he's endorsed into their the congressional sayyed of the group and notorious but one other interesting house race that i'm going to take you to. we're going to go away from the south and we're gonna go to the north. we're gonna go to ohio and we're gonna go to the youngstown area. and what do we see here? this is a very interesting race, right? we see the republican. he has won their 55% to about 45% for the democratic candidate. but what's the key thing that's going on? yeah, this is a very republican district. trump won this district by 28 points. and of course this margin right here is a little bit less than ten percentage points. this is another example of these special elections were democrats or app performing their 2020 baseline, i think democrats are hoping when actual people vote come the fall that 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fireworks, separation, or any other anxieties, thunder shirt can help. thunder shirts find at retailers like pet smart and petco my next guest has spent his entire life trying to lift up the poor in this country. >> and he's co-authored a new book called white poverty, how exposing myths about race and class can reconstruct american democracy reverend william barber is a professor and founding director of the center for public theology and public policy at the yale divinity school. he is also a spokesperson for the poor people's campaign. reverend barber, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you so much for having me in this book. >> you focus on the depiction of poverty in this country. >> how we talk about poverty, how we show poverty, and you say that black people on the edge of poverty, they're called pour, while white people in the same low-income situation are called working class and getting rid of those stereotypes you argue would help people of all colors, all colors, and races. how would you say that? that would actually happen well, first of all, what we hope to do in this book, and i hope to do is to take to america. >> the way we measure poverty in government official power measurement is, is a lie, it's distortion, it does not count all of the poor. i want to see america deal with all of her pool. we're talking about 135 million people were talking about 41% of adults and over 50% of our children and the fact that the matter is they're 26 million for low wage black people 60 some of black population. but there's 30% of white poor people. and that's over 66 million when you, when you, when you frame it as being poor people or black, other-focused but working what you're doing is dismissing millions of poor and low weight white people. and it has been down through history, a form of mythology designed to keep black and white people from working together who really are allies and unified when it comes to the experience of poverty in this country. >> reverend barber, i want to ask you about something that i'm sure you've seen. this is representative byron donalds. he's been making some pretty stunning claims about black people during the time of jim crow and even just today, he doubled down on it when it comes to the social welfare programs and he says are hurting black people in particular they don't want to acknowledge that jim crow was, was, was an era ushered in by democrat politicians and a south who still wanted to segregate and subjugate black people in this country. >> and they also don't want to acknowledge that is lyndon johnson's great society also heavy democrat policy? that actually lead to fathers not being at home i wonder what your responses to that well, he's doubling down on ignorance. first of all, democrats of that day were not the democrats are today have today, and republicans of that de, well-linked republics, they're not, we're not kind of trump and other republicans today. so let's give it back, but more so what he's dismissing its the same mythology to suggest that the war on poverty was just about black people went. in fact, the war on poverty cut poverty in a major way. and most of the measures in terms of raw numbers help white people, particularly white people in the south the king said in 1965 to the greatest feat of racist oligarch or the puppets like this young man is the fear of a mass number of four and poor white folk coming together, reframing the voting electric in order to change the economic architecture of the country right now in this country, 295,000 poor low-wage people that every year, 800 a day that we cannot dismiss, that, we cannot say that is all right. the fact that we can have presidential election after presidential election debate, after debate, and not even talk about 135 million poor low-wage people who by the way, makeup 30% of the electorate and non battleground states and over 40% in so-called battleground state. poverty is an american crisis. i'm arguing in this book, let's talk about all the poor, how it is contrary to our fundamentals about democracy, like establishing justice and promoting the general welfare. let's talk about the 55 million people who make less than a living wage in this country. and let's start fixing policy. to abolish that is unnecessary scourge of poverty low way that does not have to exist in the wealthiest country in the world. >> yeah, you know, the idea of building a coalition based on class as opposed to race, has been around for a long time. i mean, going back to reverend jackson's rainbow coalition famously tried to do that, but one of the interesting things about this era is that you see this unique dynamic happening in the election where the white christian right has really we attach itself to donald trump, and that has been the frame by which they look at american politics. i want you to listen to what congresswoman marjorie taylor greene said just a couple of days ago in las vegas the democrats in the fake news media want to constantly talk about, oh, president trump as a convicted felon. what you want to know, something the man that i worship is also a convicted felon as a as a pastor, as someone who is a student of history, what do you make of this worship of the former president among the evangelical christian right? >> most mostly hey, the white christian right. >> well, first of all, i don't call it christian is religious nationalism. that's the first day because you wouldn't be applying white is the operative word. >> secondly, you can't talk about christianity and not be concerned about the poor. the first sermon that jesus preached, he said, you must preach good news to the poor and, jesus was crucified for standing with the pool. he was crucified for lifting those who are on the margin. that is not in any way comparison to what trump is doing, but more importantly the most of those folks that she's talking about are not the poor, are poor, and low wasteful. this is a moment in history that we say, we can no longer allow an american crisis to be marginalized or treated like an anomaly and that's what this book is about. it's about the stories of pot from appalachia and folks from the east kentucky that cannot be denied or dismiss. >> yeah, that often don't get told. that's fascinating what you're saying there again, the book is called white poverty. how exposing myths about race and class can reconstruct american democracy. reverend dr. william barber. thank you very much for joining us thank you and thank you for watching news night. laura coates live starts right now tonight a. >> new batch of secretly reported audio supreme court justice samuel alito, the activists behind the reporting's will share it with us in just minutes from now, plus, hunter biden convicted the new reporting about the reaction from inside the trump campaign and say it ain't. so why joey chest that's reign as one of the top dogs at coney island is coming to an end. 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rubio who is reportedly in the mix to be trump's running mate which would make sense given his behavior wrote on social media quote, it's time to fight fire with fire. in response to a new york times piece about recent calls for refry abuse, former white house chief strategist steve bannon echoed stephen miller telling the paper quote, there are dozens of ambitious backbencher state attorneys general and ne district attorneys who need to seize the day and own this moment in history. then there is trump himself. in s an interview earlier this week he suggested hillary clinton be jailed in response to his guilty verdict. and here's what he said at his florida home yesterday in a fox news interview last night with sean hannity where you see hannity trying to get him to the right answer but no. take a listen. >> you can't gag a nominee. can you imagine you're running for office and you gag. you're not allowed to talk. when that happens we are no longer a democracy. and we're not going to let that happen. and i know a lot of republicans who want retribution. they want to do that we're going to see what happens. >> people are claiming you want retribution. people are claiming you want u what has happened to you done to democrats. would you ondo that ever? >> look, what's happened to me has never happened in this country before. and it has to stop because -- >> wait a minute, i want to hear that again. it has to stop. >> we're not going to have a country. >> if you're elected awhat doe that mean? define that. >> what i've gone through nobody's ever gone through. i'm a very legitimate person. i built a great business. >> focus on those that want people to believe that you want retribution. that you will use the system of justice to go after your political enemies. >> number one, they're wrong. it onhas to stop. otherwise we're not going to have a country. look, when this election is over, based on what they've done, i would have every right to go after them. it's easy because it's joe biden and you see all the criminality. >> will you pledge to restore equal justice? equal application of our laws? end this practice of weaponnization? is that a promise? >> you have to do it. but it's awful. look, i know you want -- >> i'm asking. >> i don't want to look naive. what they've done to the republican party, they want to arrest on no crime. i will do everything in my power not to let, but this tremendous criminality here. what they're doing to me if it's going to continue we're really not going to have much of a country left. >> okay, willie. help me >>out here. first of all, no criminality. this was not biden's justice department in the criminal trial in new york city. it was a yjury of donald trump peers, 12 people and alternates. just to fact check him right there. but also hannity, mr. softball, setting him up saying come on, come on, you wouldn't actually have retribution. you don't mean that. of course he's like yes, i do. just like what the documents. when hannity was like come on, you didn't actually take the documents. donald trump is kenot messing around. he promises retribution and as he even told hannity when hannity gave him a chance to semi cover it he will serve it up. so, with that, i mean i'm not sure what more people need to know given a lot of things donald trump has promise have had come to pass. >> i'm not smiling about the substance of what the president said, i'm smiling with what you put your finger on which is this entire genre of interview where sean hannity embeds the answer into his question and tries to lead donald. i wish my oral exams in high school and college were like that where the teacher would just nod along and give you the answer. that's the way they do it. he said donald trump in the remarks we played before that clip he said a malot of people are saying they're going to want retribution. so he likes to separate himself but obviously he means himself and obviously sending cues to others about what should happen. again, he was charged, he was tried, he was convicted by a jury of his peers in new york. the fact that he took classified documents back to his beach club is not some imagined conspiracy against him. he did. hing we'll see what happens in that trial as it moves forward. he wants retribution against people, the justice department, the fbi who are actually bringing him to justice on things that he did or is alleged to have done. let's bring to the conversation -- yeah. >> one thing before we get to our guests. it's so interesting to me that n he says this has never happened before and that's why something needs to be done. in every case, well, i will say in the most clear cases because obviously we have to wait for the law to play out. but in the case of the documents you see the pictures. he says he took them. he says they're his. he admits to the crime. in the case of the hush money. criminal trial where 34 felony counts against donald trump came up guilty, there was evidence presented in court that backed it up. so yes, yes, mr. president, former president trump, this hasn't happened before. there hasn't been a former president who had sex with a porn star while his wife was pregnant and then years later before a campaign was to get into full swing paid off through hush money through a fixture breaking campaign finance laws and having fraudulent business records. i mean that is not happened before. he's right, otit hasn't happene before. but it's unfortunately what happened to him because of his own actions. >> right. and change the suspect from subject to some imagined conspiracy that suggests the government is out to get him. let's bring in ceo of the massina group jim massina. and ran obama's 2012 reelection campaign 20successfully, of course. jim, great to see you. you often are the guy who comes in and sort of tries to calm the nerves a bit of democrats b when they get panicky. not in some polly anish way, but looking at data, looking at normals. let's talk about the fundraising that scared a lot of democrats after donald trump was convicted last week on 34 felony counts. raised a boatload of money. put that into some perspective though as compared to how the biden campaign is doing. >> yeah, if you look at the overall numbers biden continues to have a very healthy fundraising lead. has way more money in eathe ban i know this sounds geeky, but the truth is joe biden's money is all small donors whereas donald trump's money is from m big donors who are giving to his super pacs. that ad buying later in the campaign is more expensive. they can't get the lowest unit rate. most importantly, the one thing you can't make more of in a presidential election is time. we're 152 days out and the biden campaign has over 150 field offices staffed with paid staffers in the battleground states. donald trump has zero. so every day these people are talking to voters both their own base and these swing voters and you just can't replicate that with money. we always knew that trump was going to catch up weafter he go the nomination. he clearly had an outstanding day after his criminal conviction. it's a little cynical they raised a bunch of money after he was found guilty of 34 felony counts. it y is what it is. overall the biden campaign is doing what they need to do which is build a massive army in these battleground states. >> the biden campaign looking forward to that first debate as a moment to change fra joke tour of the race. we're seeing polls shift a little bit towards the president. let's owget you to weight in yesterday. this wall street journal story about the president's age. we can set aside the marriage of the journalism. there were flaws in the story we covered at length yesterday. polls suggest some americans think the president is too old for office. we know donald trump just a couple years younger. if you were still in the white house, what would your communication strategy be to simply manage the issue. fair or not it's out there. how would you suggest the white house and campaign handle it? >> by doing exactly what they're doing. getting him out there as much e as they can. about getting an early debate. you're exactly right. it is an issue. people have questions about it. we all remember at the state of the union he did a master performance and looked on top of his game and the polls rose then. this debate moment is really, really big for them. i can't believe donald trump is letting them have it. people expect joe biden to not be as good as donald trump. trump has set all the expectations to the top activity moon. he's this great or tore. he's this great guy. joe's sleepy joe, et cetera. joe biden goes in there and has a good debate and it's going to significantly make people think about their perceptions of this race. i think it'll be a very big moment and i think biden was very smart to ask for a debate as early as he could get it. >> we'll be right back with 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they were going to fight for democracy. all these years later, 80 years later, democracy is again in peril. that's a fact. that's a fact. listening to donald trump, that's a fact we have to live with. that's a fact that americans are going to have to make up their minds about. what kind after country do we want going forward? >> we may hear some of that theme from president biden tomorrow at normandy when he delivers the address. he'll be there all week as you reported yesterday. he'll be at bella woods later in the week the world war i site. talking about the young men who frankly saved the world in those days, weeks and months but also about bringing it to today and the threats of democracy here. >> it's hard not to be almost emotional thinking about this scene with eisenhower. we'll hear from the president several times this week. his remarks tomorrow will be relatively brief. it's the next day, the friday where he goes where ronald reagan delivered his famous speech. talking about yes, the sacrifices of 80 years ago that helped save the world. but connecting it to today. the battle we're seeing in ukraine. also just the need to affirm and rebuild democracies across the globe. i'm told the odds are against him invoking donald trump by name. trump will shadow this. he will draw an implicit contrast to the future that trump will bring versus the one that he would. one with allies. one with defending democracy. we know donald trump will take a different approach to the ukraine war working to be returned to office. he almost pulled autoof nato on the eve of going to helsinki. we'll hear that in grand terms from president biden in what aides tell me will be one of the most important speeches he delivers this year. one that will not on the surface be a campaign speech. >> yeah. we just talk about the choices. mike talking about the choices. we hear what he said about hillary clinton. we're talking about nato. donald trump trying to undermine nato. said he wanted to undermine nato. said a couple months ago he encouraged vladimir putin to invade nato countries if they didn't have sort of defense structure that he wants them to have. of course he talked about putting hillary clinton in jail. throwing political opponents in jail. his people have talked about throwing us in jail. throwing people that run this show in jail. they've talked about throwing media companies in jail that are insufficiently loyal. he talks about executing chairmans of the joint chiefs of staff who are insufficiently politically loyal to him. he talks about terminating the constitution. he talks about using seal team six to execute political opponents and says that he would be immune from that. he had his lawyers argue that in court. go through all of it and it is extraordinary. it's extraordinary that this man is talking like an autocrat. talking like putin and that right now this race is too close to call. >> i think it's really worth pointing out that the difference between trump in 2020 and trump in 2024 and trump in 2016 is this time around his team and campaign are much more focused on how they would do exactly the kinds of things you've spoken about. they've drawn up the policy papers. they've dug in to the workings of the american government to see how they could effectively take control of the fcc. of the doj. use the irs against political opponents of theirs. they've been very honest about the idea of using this second administration for retribution against those people who have counted donald trump. it's sometimes easy with donald trump because we hear so many things that are out of the norm they go well, it's just another thing donald trump says. behind donald trump in 2024 is a whole infrastructure of people putting in place the plans to follow up with the kinds of things that donald trump is saying out on the campaign trail. they didn't manage to do much of it in 2016 because they weren't prepared. this time around they're making sure they are prepared. >> so the group republican voters against trump is launching a new billboard ad campaign looking to persuade moderate republicans and republican leaning voters in four swing states. the billboards feature former trump voters who now say they won't vote for him in the wake of his conviction last week in his new york city criminal trial. let's bring in the executive director of republican voters against trump sarah longwell. she's also a publisher and host of the focus group podcast. thank you so much for joining us. to tell us more about this campaign and what you're hearing from republican voters. >> question after the conviction, the political question is will voters care? and from our perspective you have to help make them care. the republicans are out there right now and they are building their own narrative. building their own echo chamber. they are all singing from the same song sheet that this was rigged, that we have a two tier justice system. we have to go on offense right now and make sure voters understand how unique, how historically unique in a desperately dark way it is to have a convicted felon running for president. so our program republican voters against trump, it hick hinges on a key theory which is you need credible messengers to speak to these vote percent. we have hundreds of people who voted for trump in the past, many voted for him twice who are explaining and there's testimonials all over our website explaining why they won't vote for trump again. but after the conviction we wanted to make sure that it stuck with people. we have watched donald trump extraordinary things have happened. like his own vice president not endorsing him. and yet it kind of just rolls off voters minds. trump's been around for a long time. we have two functional incumbents and that create as dynamic where voters aren't as tuned in in ways they might have. you have to go on offense. you have to have strong affirmative messaging to make sure things stick in the mind of voters. you can't count on the idea that voters hear conviction and walk away. you have to help them understand why this is so extraordinary. why what he defense wrong and why he's too dangerous to be in the white house. >> to that point about the difficulty in making things stick to trump. we live in a world where it seems like everyone's attention span is a few fleeting moments. so it's not just there's a conviction. conviction happened at the end of may. here we are the first few days of june. we're still five months to the election. how do you get it to resinate to stay in the forefront of voters minds not just now but as they head into the ballot box? >> this is one of the ways democrats have to figure out how they're going to do their messaging strategy. i think that oftentimes they get really fractured around messaging and have a difficult time going on offense as opposed to playing defense. so part of this is to make sure that acknowledging donald trump's conviction is a regular feature in the way that democrats are talking about him. and not just joe biden. joe biden as a messenger has a particular role i think to explain to the country what he's going to do over the next four years. but democrats need an army of surrogates who are out there making an affirmative case. going on offense. going on attack against donald trump. making sure the countriens understands. and that he's a been convicted of sexual assault and that he's been convicted for, you know, the things he did with the trump org and reminding people of january 6th. it is really, this is going to be a choice about who is the the lesser of two evils and you have to have voters understand trump is the greater of evils. >> liable of sexual abuse, defamation and massive fraud. and then convicted felon who is openly hell bent on revenge. that's what voters have to consider. sarah longwell. thank you for being on this morning. >> coming up, new reporting on how closely europe is watching the upcoming u.s. election. we'll be right back. l be right. i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein! those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. -ugh. -here, i'll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein, 30 grams protein, 1 gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals. and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. 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in these interviews was existential. if donald trump comes back, we made it through the first trump term. and it took a toll on the transatlantic relationship. but they made it through. they said if he comes back given what he's been saying about nato, given what he's been saying about russia, the war in ukraine, they're really afraid that it will be the end of nato and the beginning of a new stage of russian aggression that europe frankly isn't prepared for without america's support. >> so mckay, let's dive into that more. there's been from president macron of france this effort to make europe less dependent on the u.s. in terms of our military and financial strength. what other steps are he and his fellow european leaders taking to try to if you will trump proof what they're doing right now ahead of his possible return? >> yeah, there have been a number of efforts recently proposed. one of them as you mentioned is, you know, developing defense autonomy in europe in a way that would potentially channel funds away from nato which really does rely on america and toward the european defense alliance. there's been talk of taking the responsibility for arming ukraine, literal logistical responsibility out of america's hands and putting that in nato's hands because they don't know if a future trump administration would abandon the war or not. really the biggest change has been that a lot of european allies are spending a lot more now on their own defense. and this is one thing that, you know, trump takes credit for and i have to say a lot of the european officials i spoke to grudgingly gave him some credit for. they said trump by kind of being so vociferous about this issue that european allies aren't spending enough on defense has sort of bullied a lot of these countries into spending more, but it's come at a cost. and that cost is that these european countries while they are now spending more on collective defense, contributing more to nato, also don't trust america as a long term ally the way they have for the last 75 years. when america becomes an unpredictable power or a transactional power, that changes the entire global order in ways that i don't think we can predict right now. >> sure does. >> and we heard back in i think it was 2018, 2019 angela merkel saying we can no longer depend on the united states basically with trump because he's so erratic. we'll have to defend ourselves. it's something macron said as well. if donald trump's making them spend more money on defense because they're spending more money on defense because they know they can't count on the united states in their minds if donald trump is president of the united states. mckay writes this also, that almost every official i spoke with believed that trump is going to win. i hear that an awful lot from europe and i hear from across the world. i think claire, we should probably tell our friends not to bet too many euros or pounds on that fact because what you see on tv may not be what ends up happening at the voting booths for swing voters in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. >> yeah, those three states particularly where really biden has never been more than a point or two behind and in polls has been ahead. those three states are incredibly important. mckay, i wanted to ask you about what's going on in europe domestically in terms of their politics. we have seen in the united states populism and anti- immigration that has really roiled our politics here. what is happening in that front in europe? it looks from a distance that they're having some of the same issues internally within the conservative parties there. the antiimmigration, the populism. is that something that europe is also worried about? >> oh, no question. the fear of trump's return in europe is of a piece with the fear of a broader rise of right wing populism and nationalism. we've seen it in the uk. italy. in germany the afd party. the far right party. there was one recent poll that found 25% of germans now identify with that party. and that's a pretty extreme party. so there's no question that throughout western democracies and really in europe especially we have seen a lot of the same forces that contributed to trump's rise. in some ways the europeans understand trump through that prism. they're saying, you know, we get it, we have our own issues here. if some of our allies have elected leaders like donald trump. it's different when it happens in america. america is not only the lynch pin of the nato alliance. it is in a lot of ways seen as kind of the big brother. european countries rely on america for security, they rely on it for leadership. they rely on america to set an example to the world for what a well functioning western democracy should look like. a lot of the anxiety about this election in europe stems from the fact that they're seeing this chaos in american democracy and wondering if the city on a hill can still be looked to as an example. and that causes a lot of alarm among our friends in europe. >> the new piece is online now for the atlantic. staff writer mckay coppins, thank you for writing the piece and being on the show this morning. next, former capitol police officer harry dunn will be here to talk about why he is starting a new pac to support candidates running against pro- trump republicans. trump republicans. slowing my cancer from growing and living longer are two things i want from my metastatic breast cancer treatment. and with kisqali, i can have both. kisqali is a pill that when taken with an aromatase inhibitor helps delay cancer from growing and has been proven to help people live significantly longer across three separate clinical trials. so, i have the confidence to live my life. kisqali can cause lung problems or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. avoid grapefruit during 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ground. thanks for being with us again this morning. you ran for congress in the state of maryland. fell a little short l but did have some money leftover from that campaign. tell us more about what you plan to do with it. >> thanks for having me on. always good to be on with you all. we did fall short, but the reason why i ran was to do everything i can to continue to fight for democracy. to fight to preserve our constitution. and to fight to stop maga extremists. at the very top of the ticket, donald trump. we did raise millions of dollars in a very short period of time and what that told me is that a lot of people across the country that message of our democracy, the threat of losing it. the threat of this being our potential last free and fair election resinates with a lot of people. it's at the top of peoples minds. what we'll do is continue to use that momentum to continue to go across the country. up and down the ballot. and elect democrats and stop maga republicans. also fight to continue to get big corporate money out of politics. and support those candidates that really want to do that. >> so harry, when you're out there, when you're out there running for congress and meeting a lot of people and talking to a lot of people. that aspect that you just mentioned the threat to democracy. when you would talk to people about the threat to democracy, how many of the people you spoke to thought it was like real? that it could happen? as opposed to -- >> no, it worries a lot of people. it worries a lot of people. because like i say, a lot of the issues that we talk about. common sense gun reform, lowering inflation. all of those things as important as they are, if we have a dictator in the white house, a dictator over democracy, what is the purpose? those issues really don't matter because the dictator gets what he wants. everybody is definitely worried. even people that voted against me tell me they are worried about our democracy. so i think it is very front and 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miniseries follows the down fall of the murdaugh family. the heart of the family's demise alex murdaugh. once a successful lawyer from a team with a rich history in south carolina, his trial made headlines last year when he was convicted of murdering his wife and his son and stealing millions from his legal clients while blaming an addiction to painkillers for his crimes. join us now, bill pull nba who plays alex murdaugh. >> good to see you. >> you're kind of like i was with this trial which i didn't really know a ton about it and then i tuned in late and kind of couldn't get enough of it. so when you first heard about this role what were your impressions of this guy? >> yeah, i realized everybody else in the world in america knew about it. i think i, you know, i didn't know if i was going to do it. kind of had to be a fast decision. but my first thing was i don't know if i want. i don't know anything about it. then you start watching something and they've got body cam and dash cam and of course the courtroom scene. so much there. and then i realized -- but as i first started into it i was nauseous. i was nauseated. i thought i can't do this part. then it tripped over into i'm excited to do this part. >> that's what i was going to ask you at some point as an actor as repulsive as the man is there's something about getting into the character and playing it that's rich for you professionally, i think. >> yes, yes. really you're going to enter into you've got to put on armor about your morality and everything else and you become, you know, a jedi knight of denial which we have a few of those these days. >> we do. seems to be going around. >> i remember talking to a friend connie who said yeah, that murdaugh guy it's like old satan looked at him and went whoa, dude. like you're bad. >> how did you prepare for the role? not just someone who satan would say that about but someone who is so timely. who is alive. who their developments in the case as we speak. how much did you study him? how do you decide on your performance? >> there's a lot to look at. you can go lateral, long time. researching and looking. i had to get moving pretty quick because production thing was so fast. i think there's certain amount of things you can make yourself similar to and then because there's other things you're just doing your own interpretation. so you're trying to, you know, channel those aspects as they would occur to you rather than just mimicking him. it was also really heard because he lost a lot of weight and there were those issues and i had to go with my weight and we don't have a lot of time to shoot this movie. >> you capture him well. let's take a look at another clip where alex confronts his son paul about the boating accident that killed his friend. >> besides a dead girl and our financial ruin. >> stop. >> i am not finished. talk to me. talk to me. >> she was my friend. >> huh? >> i didn't mean for it to happen. i didn't mean to hurt anyone. >> the hurt you cause that night hasn't even yet been felt. i'm ashamed. and embarrassed of you. get out of my sight. >> in addition to having to capture the darkness of the man you have to capture a southern accent too, bill. if you get it wrong people will let you know. >> and there's a lot of different accents. south carolina, but even the low country they call it. there's a lot of different accents. you can always go check it out. >> tough scene. >> it's a tough scene. oh my god. they would let for years and years i did of pulling it off. could see him just on the stand his friends saying to say i had no idea but i do know he did it. >> they know he was capable of it and all caught up to him. both installments are streaming now on amazon prime video, as well as on my lifetime.com. bill pullman, great to have you with us this morning. >> great to be here. >> we'll get you back into the new york city theater. putting out a call to directors. this man. >> don't go away. we have a second hour 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>> i think he's listening to me. they were going to go into rafah fullbore, invade all of rafah can go into the city, take it out, move with full force. they haven't done that. what they have done is they have agreed to a significant agreement that if, in fact, i must accept it, look, it is being backed by egypt, being backed by the saudis, being backed by almost of the home arab world. we will see. this is a very difficult time. >> richard hoss, he's right about who's backing it, everyone except the two parties involved in the war to have this cease-fire come about and perhaps an end to the war. hamas says it will not agree to the terms. israel says it will not agree to anything that does not include eradicating hamas as israel puts it. where does that leave us ? >> it was exactly a week ago today president biden went out and announced this three phase plan and the wait was represented a week ago that it was sent to the israel's plan and the idea was to get hamas to sign on. israel backed away from it, if they ever signed onto it to begin with. hamas, as you saw, has now said it won't accept a temporary cease-fire, which is phase one of the plan. it seems to have been stillborn. what we are looking at is the other part of the news this morning. you are going to have continued israeli military operations, inevitably, no matter how careful israel is, because of co-location of hamas with civilians, you will see this kind of stories you have for people, innocent people are going to be killed, along with hamas militants. my guess is we will see this for some time. this will go on, the israeli national security advisor said military operations will continue through the end of the year. i don't see any reason to doubt that. i think the real question is whether we see an escalation of fighting as things dial down somewhat in gaza in the north between israel and hezbollah. that has been the most recent news out of israel. the idea that we are on a precipice of peace somehow, actually, the opposite is more the reality. i hate to be so depressing this morning but i think we are looking at open ended but low level war in gaza with the danger of escalation in the north in southern lebanon. coming up, ed luce of "the financial times," will tell us his new piece, titled "biden respects the law, trump does not and what that could mean for the election." ♪ ♪ have you always had trouble losing weight and keeping it off? 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" in it, you write "the trump biden cases is a tale of two parties. biden could have spared his son his judicial ordeal by pardoning him, a tool that trump used for political associates who were jailed. if the president is breaking the system, he has a funny way of showing it. hunter biden may or may not merit jail time. ditto for trump in his hush money case. but these are mere sideshows. one of america's potential presidents respects the rule of law. the other does not. everything else pales in comparison." i think that is why "wall street journal," article does when it was so frustrating because of the difference between these two candidates. >> the moral equivalence. we talked about you can look at that article versus donald trump for getting up world war ii existed, forgetting barack obama is not still president and then also you could just do, again, the false moral equivocation between january the sixth, the riot, trump's role in that and joe biden forgiving student loan debt. we get all these false comparisons. i've got to say one of the most maddening has been donald trump stealing nuclear secrets versus hunter biden and whatever republicans decide at the time is a great risk to america's national security because of what hunter biden did. >> the key point here is america's system is working, it is intact. both donald trump last week and hunter biden in wilmington for the next couple of weeks are receiving trial by jury, due process, they will have the right of appeal. i've no idea whether hunter biden will be convicted or acquitted but i do know that he has two cases against him. the second of which, the tax case starts on september the fifth at the beginning of the general election in california. biden could at any point to stop this from happening. he's not, he's not interfering. there is no rigging coming from this president. where it is coming from is the supreme court. we will get them later this month, presumably later this month. they might prevaricate even longer. later this month, finally coming down with their ruling on what should have been an open and shut case about whether the resident has immunity for whatever he does in office, thereby ensuring trump will not be held accountable for january 6th in court before november the fifth. that is the real story going on here. the trial is in wilmington. i have no great insight to what is going to happen there but the trial in wilmington is the rule of law taking its normal course, as was the case in new york last week. what is happening in the supreme court is judicial interference in the political process. >> so, ed, you have the gift of being able to look at america and american politics from the distance created by your birth. you are not from here. you weren't born here. so, when you look at it and you write about it, as you did today, and you mentioned the supreme court slowing things down, making it almost impossible for a trial in the january 6th or the papers kept at mar-a-lago, a trial for most things are happening prior to election and hunter biden on trial today in wilmington, what is your sense of what would happen to the system, and the rule of law if hunter biden is acquitted and what is your sense of what other countries, other nations think and view this when they look at what is happening in america? >> that is a great question. it is a remarkable moment that we are having. the first conviction of a former president and the first trial of a child of a sitting president happening in the space of a few days of each other. i have no doubt if hunter biden is convicted, there is not going to be an uproar on the democratic side, there isn't going to be accusations of bigoted justice, even though the judge is trump appointed, there's no reason to believe that judge is a hatchet job kind of charge. if, however, hunter biden is acquitted, all conspiratorial hell will break loose. you mentioned the other trump trial that isn't going to happen, the one in florida, the federal trial that judge aileen canon is in charge of. she is finding extraordinary time delaying tactics, once that nobody had ever thought of. the latest is whether the special prosecutor, smith, was unconstitutionally appointed and she's going to hear arguments about that. she is finding any and every excuse, including invented ones not to hear this case. it is an extraordinary example of justice delayed being justice denied. and, i think that is what foreigners are kind of gob smacked by when they watch this. >> it is, you bring up judge aileen canon in florida on the documents case, which is really one of the most serious cases against donald trump and resounding as well, given all the documents were hidden at mar-a-lago and he tried to hide them again as the government was trying to get them back. and, the, it is frustrating to see what is happening. it is also the judge that we got, the judge that is, in this case, the judge that was given this case. that 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adult film star to stay quiet before the presidential election, there are consequences. >> there are indeed consequences. there is some connective tissue between this and the other case you mentioned, the recent conviction of former president trump. that can connective tissue is robert castillo, steve bannon's attorney and the attorney on whose advice he says he relied in ignoring that congressional subpoena. steve bannon wanted to argue, this was the crux of his appeal, that he was entitled to reasonably rely on bob castillo's advice that he should blow off the subpoena because trump was going to invoke executive privilege. the only problem with that is twofold. one, he was repeatedly advised by trump campaign lawyers that is not, in fact, what the former president intended to do for steve bannon, in part because steve bannon had been out of government for three years. the other problem is there is a 1961 case by the d.c. circuit this is where contempt charges are concerned, it is no defense to say i relied on the advice of counsel. it was that decision that a recent d.c. circuit panel reaffirmed and it is on that basis that yesterday, judge carl nichols of the d.c. district court said, you know, sir, vista longer presents substantial questions of law. i'm going to the the state of your sentence and you need to report by july 1st. >> will come as no surprise to anyone that donald trump took to social media to really get this, calling it, "a total and complete american tragedy that the duke joe biden department of justice is --" it is interesting. steve bannon has said he will appeal again and looking to push off the july 1st report date. tell us what mechanism that would be. is there a chance of success? or, is he going to go in july 1st ? steve bannon does not officially work for the trump campaign. he is an informal advisor and a large maga voice. if he goes in july 1st, he will be silenced for the stretch run of the collection. >> that is likely true when i 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" one of the recipients of the great was the american institute for boys and men. joining us now is that organizations president, richard reeves. also with us, repressor of marketing at the nyu stern school of business, scott galloway. good to have you both. richard, i will toss to you first and ask why this grant makes sense overall for women's rights. >> well, i think what melinda french gates has realized is that a world of floundering men is difficult to be a will to flourishing women. we do have to rise together. and, the young men and investing in education and mental health is going to be good for women. men and women will be raising children together. there's evidence that many young men are struggling in education and mental health, especially young men and men of color above all. i think it is a recognition that the gender equality movement has to expand to include boys and men as well. coming from figure with such prominence of melinda french gates was such a strong track record of leadership, i think it sends a strong signal that we do need to include boys and men in this conversation. >> to your point, scott galloway, you have been a great force on this on the state of young men in america right now. explain the challenges. equality doesn't necessarily mean that each side is the same. men and women have differences. what is happening to young men is equally, potentially as disturbing. >> could be with you and congratulations to my friend richard reeves. this is a great american story. unfortunately, young men are paying for the advantage that me and my father received. so, there is a lack of empathy. richard turned me onto this great quote, "empathy is not a zero-sum game, civil rights didn't hurt white people." to richard's point, what he's always said he's who wants more economically and emotionally viable young men? women. women, of the tract, as they are doing, especially younger men, they are more prone to nationalist content, they are more prone to misogynistic content. >> you know, richard, it is so fascinating. maybe five years ago, when people like scott galloway three years ago were talking about this and a lot of people through their hands up, my god, how dare you talk about boys when men have been dominant through, you know, for thousands and thousands of years. you heard those complaints. on a very personal level but so much anecdotal evidence that i suspect a lot of people here in this are young women talking to mika and me going where are the men to date, where are the men that understand the basics? and, there's this horrible choice. on one side, you do have again, all anecdotal but you have, well, i'm not going to wander into that minefield what i was about to say. let's just say younger women are understanding the costs of the mail crisis right now. >> they are living the cost. >> they are living the cost of it. >> what is interesting, these stories you say anecdotal but it is in the evidence, it is in the data. there is a big gender gap in college today than there was in the 70s. the biggest rise in suicide rates, tragically, has been among young men. we are losing 40,000 men a year to suicide. what i discovered is, among parents if you have a boy in the k-12 education system, you kind of get this immediately. if you have a doctor in the dating market, you kind of get this immediately too. and, realizing you just can't separate these things out and it is not a betrayal of the ideals of gender equality to start dealing with issues of boys and young men. it is the application of the ideals of gender equality. it is not a zero-sum game. i think that penny is dropping. the people are realizing we cannot neglect the problems of boys and men if we want a world that is better for all of us. >> i was particularly interested with what ms. gates has done. i salute her for it in terms of investing also in young boys and men and i think you or richard mentioned young boys and men of color. many of us in any study has shown disproportionately are raised by single mothers. i was one of them. to help those young boys and men that are buttressed by programs like yours, and to develop them, also helps the single mothers who are trying to balance life. talk about the challenge of that and how this could be helpful. >> reverend, you and i said that, we were raised by superheroes. my mother was an immigrant who lived and died a secretary, raced me on her own. what the research shows is the single point of failure, if you were to reverse engineer and why men are struggling is when they lose a male role model. the second most single-parent household, which is latin for a woman heading a household alone, just behind sweden. as richard's work has pointed out, the vast majority of people in primary school education are women. a boy is twice as likely to be suspended for the same behavior in school and five times as likely if he is black boy. would you have is an entire cohort of men being raised without male influence. what is equally interesting is girls have similar outcomes in single-parent households, same college attendance, same rates of self-harm. what richards research has shown is that while boys are physically stronger, they are mentally and emotionally weaker and we need to knowledge that. we need a group of thriving gunmen. how many times have we heard people say i know it time of young single women who are great and i can't find men for them. you can't find men for them, just not any man they want. we need to level up young people in general, specifically young men. coming up, historian doris kearns goodwin on how looking at america through a historical lens can help make sense of the issues facing our country today. try today. 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jonathan amir, joining us now, presidential historian, doris kearns goodwin. so good to have you with us. >> what a time. >> let's start with president biden making some of his most candid comments yet about former president trump's criminal conviction at a fundraiser in connecticut last night. the president called trump "a convicted felon who stopped after the 2020 election." the president addressed the attacks trump and his allies have lobbed at the justice system. biden's of the former president, "wants you to believe it is already. nothing could be further from the truth. it is reckless and dangerous for anyone to say it is rigged just because they don't like the outcome." biden added, "the justice system is a core of american democracy and we should never allow anyone to tear it down." biden continued, "here is what is becoming clearer and clearer every day. the threat trump poses in his second term would be greater than his first. this isn't the same trump that got elected in 2016." biden said, "he is worse." doris, this is joe biden using the term convicted felon, a private fundraiser in connecticut, as john has been telling us, this is something we may hear more of from the biden campaign. they now officially are running against a man convicted of 34 felonies. how do you think that figures into the race ? >> every event affects the next event and i was going to think this project will affect how the conventions will happen. president trump has put out is we are a backward country, we are a country that is corrupt, we are a country that looks like a third world country and all of our systems are corrupt. i just don't think the american people are going to feel that way. one of the things i look at when i look at history is the backward look and the negative look as not working campaigns. i think biden understands that. when dragon was running against carter, carter talked about the malaise of the people, that it was a crisis of confidence in the people and we can comes along and says it's not the people, it's leadership that has failed and i am here to provide the leadership. the same thing happened when hoover talked about there's not much he could do about the depression because the government would weaken the people and he was going to hope we were getting through it somehow around the corner prosperity would come and fdr says it's not the people that is the problem, it is your leadership and i'm going to do action. biden is on a good stand, in a certain sense, to talk about the rule of law, to talk about the country being a country that is not corrupt and to make that a contrast. i think this is going to be something, we don't know how. the debate could change everything, the conventions could change everything, events could change everything but right now, this will affect the tone of the campaign. >> this darkness, this dim view of the country presented by donald trump, this american carnage as he called it in his inauguration address way back. i guess it resonates with his base, it resonates with some people but the point you're making is you have to win more than your base to win an election. perhaps an optimistic message is the way to go for president biden. >> i think about the fact that when you are nominated, and he's about to be, you have to expand your base. i think back to 1964 in the republican convention and barry goldwater. what happens there is governor rockefeller, new york governor rockefeller, popular person in the party is trying to argue for a different platform, a civil rights platform. he gets shouted down and it all on television and it looks like the party has narrowed itself. they said in many ways, goldwater lost the election at that convention. when you do something like canceling larry hogan out, you need him, you need him in the senate and you are narrowing your party by saying you can't even say this verdict should be followed because it is a verdict that it is the rule of law. it hadn't even begun yet, he had said it before, it was a natural thing to say about our system. >> we have the moment you describe just from 1964. let's take a look. >> i would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. let me remind you also that moderation and the pursuit of justice is no virtue. >> doris, 1964 is really instructive. i will also say, obviously, fdr, a sense of optimism, we have nothing to fear but fear itself. the band play in happy days are here again. ronald reagan, it's morning in america. i truly believe america's greatest days lie ahead. it is always the optimism that rules the day. still ahead, legendary e street band guitarist steve van zandt on his remarkable life and career in music and show business. business. keep those expectations with reliable ground shipping. thanks brandon. with usps ground advantage®. ♪♪ it's hard to run a business on your own. make it easier on yourself. with shopify, you can have your inventory, payments, and 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worked. >> we were fans. stephen got married and bruce was the best man. it was the wedding band from "the godfather." >> i heard it was really great. i don't remember a thing but that's what i heard. >> that was a look at the new documentary titled "steve van zandt, disciple." the film follows the life of the musician and actor from his humble beginnings in new jersey to the apex of his one-of-a- kind career, performing along bruce pristine and james gandolfini in "the sopranos." tuning is now, stevie van zandt, also the films director. i can't wait to see this. tell us why now, why did you decide this was the moment? >> he chased me for how long ? >> a long time, 2006 and years and years of trying to get, let me do this film. >> i'm not comfortable being the center of attention. that is just a fact. i didn't even want to be in it at first. >> he's not in the early cut. you have to be in the movie. >> it would be hard to do without him in it. >> there's a lot of footage out there. anyway, they worked on it for two years before i agreed to be in it. i think, look, and and, we talked about what is the purpose of this thing and it is about the work. getting the work exposed as much as we can because, you know, that is one of the things i've always had trouble balancing that art and commerce thing. >> can you explain how hard is it to explain the coordination of a band? you are in a big and, in a group of guys on stage in the synchronization of the shows always amaze me, you know what someone is going to do before they do it and you do your thing. >> well, we really have a long time. let's face it. that helps. a bit of esp goes on after a while. in the beginning, we had to be really good before we even got in the business. we had to be good life. that really, we had very high standards, growing up in the 60s. we had to compare ourselves to the beatles and the rolling stones and the who, very high standards. a lot of history, i think, bill got into it in the film. >> tell us exactly that. what are some of the things we will see, people who know stevie van zandt from the states or the screen, what are they going to see, what are they going to learn from this film ? >> telling them the whole breath and scope of the work and career and love of rock 'n roll is interesting. i think people may know him from television, from his acting, or they may know him for his music but they don't know he had the first branded satellite radio station, the first streaming television show. was a producer and writer and director. they may not know that the way, the things he does for education and they may not know his record label. there's so much to stevie van zandt beyond that music and we also get to expose the story of his amazing music, his friendship with bruce, his beautiful love story with his wife. he sees all thing. and then south africa. people may not know that silvio dante helped free nelson mandela and end apartheid. it is a pretty good resume. >> did you ever think from watertown, massachusetts to where you are today, the envelope you had to shoot through in terms of fate and lack is incredibly small. how often do you think about that ? >> about every hour. no doubt, we are the luckiest generation ever and i am the luckiest guy in the luckiest generation. i'm so grateful, first of all that somebody would have an interest in making a movie about me. that is incredible already. i am honored that bill and the guys really spent their time doing that. destiny plays a role. if my mother hadn't remarried, my father adopted me and brought me from boston to new jersey, you know, i would have never gotten into the new jersey scene. if david chase hadn't happened to be clicking around, he wouldn't see me in dr. rascals and i want to get that guy on my new tv show "the sopranos." there's a lot of detail in my book and i think bill, bill was, the conversations we had, i haven't seen the film myself at ceramic just to see what happens. >> you haven't seen it ? >> that is all the time we have this weekend. we will see you tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. eastern for more morning joe. until then, enjoy the rest of your sunday. your sunday. good morning. it's sunday, june 9. i'm alicia menendez. with michael steele and symone sanders townsend. we are following president biden on his final day in france and the appearance of his message
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scooters off the streets. >> one of those nights. >> fox news hit the streets with the nypd. >> i got one moped. >> what is going on right now? >> something happened to a guy driving a stolen moped. that's how it starts, right? stolen moped, commit a crime on a stolen moped. >> the department's skilled community response team in queens patrolling a neighborhood they say is a hot spot finding guns, drugs and this guy who is a repeat offender. 49 arrests. is that shocking at this point? >> not at all. this is the second time in two weeks arrested by the same officer. >> we hit lots of hot spots around the city. 50 unregistered mopeds they've taken off the streets. >> a huge uptick in people committing crimes an scoot ears. >> armed moped crews are tied to
dozens of violent street robberies. these stolen mopeds are one example of crime connected to the ongoing migrant surge. this year the nypd says they arrested two armed venezuelan migrants on mopeds. charged them in connection with more than 100 robberies. >> 200,000 migrants come to the city, give or take. a small portion do not come here for the american dream. they came here to prey on new yorkers. >> people might be thinking what's the big deal about a stolen scooter or moped? it is like so many other crimes that robberies and other thefts and with the two officers on pace to the department for record scooter seizures. >> dana: all i could think was from indiana and chicago with the nypd you have seen a lot and we appreciate that. that was a great report. thank you. >> bill: remarkable stuff going on every day. emotions running high today in northwestern france. veterans return to the sight of
>> this year, 13,000. over 30,000. for the last 2 years, 41,000. >> nypd is cracking down on illegal mopeds. the community response team confiscating dozens of stolen scooters. the drivers busted. officers finding guns, drugs, and this guy who they say is a repeat offender. 49 arrests. is that talking to you at this point? >> for the second time in 2 weeks. arrested by the same officer. >> investigators say the stolen scooters are one example of crimes connected to the ongoing migrant search. >> northern boulevard. >> the crackdown comes days after their own officers were shot by a migrant on the stolen moped. the suspected venezuelan gang members shooting when officer right in the chest. >> he had a fanny pack on his back. through the bag, struck the
u.s. embassy. thanks to our team, our facility and our team are safe. investigations are underway and we are in close contact with host country law enforcement. does not appear there was significant damage or injuries at the u.s. embassy, north of lebanon's capital in a krift yap suburb. gun battle lasted 30 minutes and u.s. security personnel were involved. source in beirut says one shooter was on a moped. the situation is now said to be stable. since october 7 massacre, the region has been anything, but stable. potential ceasefire plan for hamas to end the war in gaza. hezbollah launching on northern israel for months, forcing israelis to flee their homes, no talks underway to end that part of the conflict.
people were shot, nine was fatal, and one of which was a trial. >> emily: we talk about the oscar mayer mobile, but the reality is, the big famous los angeles hollywood, soap opera actress, was killed, within the last two weeks having his car stolen. there is a element of laughing, but people are losing their lives, it's not funny, everything is eroding because of this. >> harris: just like the moped guys who shot the police officers, those two people who were undocumented immigrants. it follows a slippery slope. if somebody comes up and they're trying to take something out of the car and you are and it was standing alongside. you were there. you are the victim already. if they want to take out a witness, you were there. these crimes can migrate to become personally physical, very