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At some point you wonder if there will be a huge sinkhole on this side of the border. >> crime has not been rising because of this, we should point out. but there you see the challenge against a wall. what is your reaction to all of this? >> well, look, brianna, i was a border governor. i dealt with border issues. there has not been an increase in illegal immigration through borders. its through tunnels, its through ports of entry, its through the ocean, the coast guard. its not through having--...