we'll break it down and president obama's spirited farewell speech included a forceful defense of his record, an emotional thank you to the first family. >> it falls to each of those to be those anxious, jealous guardians of our democracy, to embrace the joyous task that we've been given to continually try to improve this great nation of ours. i will be right there with you as a citizen all my remaining days. >> tonight, as i'm sure you heard, there's a stunning report that's surfaced regarding what donald trump was told last week in his briefing of russia's roll in the u.s. election. the materials prepared for trump's briefing last friday included information that made
damaging allegations about trump's deelgts with the russians. the officials say that the material initially circulated among opponents of donald trump and was passed to u.s. intelligence agency. the information has not been verified and the sources would not comment on the nature of the allegations. neither of the officials said that the fbi was actively investigating the information. but according to reports by cnn and the washington post, the material summarized allegations that the russians have compromising material on trump's personal life and financial dealings. donald trump tweeted this all-capped response tonight, fake news-a total witch hunt. tomorrow donald trump is supposed to be holding his first press conference since july. in an interview with lester holt, president obama had this to say. >> mr. president before we sat down there was a word from source that is the intel report on russian hacking had
this work will continue after i leave. congress in possession of both the classified and unclassified reports that the president-elect and his administration in possession of the classified and unclassified reports will take it seriously and now get to work reinforcing those mechanisms that we can use to protect our democracy. >> and we will see more of lester's exclusive interview with president obama throughout the week on msnbc and nbc news. joining us, david corn and malcolm. i want to start with you malcolm. we got a little bit of back and forth about it with senator ron white and got a chance to question james comey about a possible investigation by the fbi. take a listen. >> there is, however, extensive
press reporting on relationships between the russians and the individuals associated with both the trump campaign and the incoming administration. my question for you, director comey is has the fbi investigated these reported relationships and, if so, what are the agency's findings? >> thank you, senator. i wouldle never comment on investigations whether we have one or not in an open forum like this. so i can't answer one way or another. >> will you provide an unclassified response to the question i asked and release it to the american people prior to january 20? >> sir, i'll answer any question that i ask but the answer will likely be the same as i just gave you, i can't talk about it. >> one said he found that ironic. would you find it surprising malcolm as an intelligence professional if the fbi were not investigating this?
>> yes. i find it very surprising. there's the regular field offices of the fbi and the main part. but there is a counterintelligence center. these are the spy hunters. these are the people who actually have to run down when american citizens are having liaisons with foreign nations and the activities of the foreign intelligence service ises. if they were operating optimally, if there were real risks, if some of these reports out there even though they may be unsubstantiated and in the political realm a good director would be trying to make sure this is not true. the worst thing that could happen to this nation is if someone using the political process is an actual agent of a foreign intelligence agencyaged infiltrates their way into government. >> or if they had enough on him,
they could sort of make the president of the united states do what they want him to do. a letter to comey was released and up ended the election. he said that he believed in a the fbi had explosive info on the trump team's ties to russia. he said eats become clear that you possess scloif information between trump and the russian government. he wanted that information made public. do you have any reason to believe as a journalistic matter is that that explosive information is this explosive information? >> not necessarily. there are several angles into what harry reid or others might have been referring to. we talk about trump and russia. these memos were put together by
the operatives of another nation, which i wrote about before the election, show that -- or allege that moscow has an ongoing project to cultivate a co on, donald trump for years writing back and that there had been communication between the trump campaign and russians and that russia had developed compromising information of a personal nature about donald trump. the allegations of the reports that came out during the campaign of ties between trump's inner circle, carter page, who may or may not have been close to the trump campaign but also the campaign manager and connections they had to russian business interests or russian individuals who were close to putin. there are indications that the fbi looked at both those people and maybe others. we just don't know.
we know a lot about the fbi investigation of the e-mail server. we know very little about the investigation of the memos and those other associations. >> yeah. malcolm -- and i'm glad david brought up that before the election, mother jones was reporting on that, sorts of waving a red flag about the ties and whether or not intelligence officials were aware of it. you, sir, were on with me on my weekend program dating back to maybe august and you were saying with a high degree of confidence that there was a likelihood that there was something compromising going on or that the russians had some reason that donald trump was being so slolies tus o them. is this the kind of thing you were warning about going back to the republican convention? >> yeah. actually, the date was july 27
that we first talked about the potential compromise by russian intelligence due to his past. that being said, i think that some of the things that were in david corn's reporting have been corroborated by u.s. intelligence and that is what showed up in the two-page pdb. it's a neat way for the intelligence community to actually show information they have confidence in without actually having to show their cards of the sources and the methods of highly classified sources. >> sure. >> for the exact same information. so -- >> first, really quickly, could this be being leaked as retaliation for donald trump being so disdainful of the intelligence community? >> o i'm not sure the intelligence community is going to make that kind of leak.
this is most probably coming from the political world. democrats, republicans, congressional staffers, people within various levels of the administration could have done this. this could have come from a lot of different sources. i don't think you'll see cia handing off documents. they have a lot of allies handling this for them. >> an important thing to note is that these memos were sent in from a counterintelligence professional who had a track record helping with u.s. government agencies and whether they were fully investigated or not, at the end of the day when the intelligence community was preparing these memos or assessments for druch and barack obama, they thought it was important enough to include this material and i would hope that they don't give trash to the president or the president-elect, but i do think that it's incumbent -- i know
james comey, as he said today in the hearing i covered, doesn't want to say if an investigation has happened yet or not it's getting pretty close to the line. he has to tell the public whether this stuff was looked at or not. i think the american public has a righto know. >> he's very selective with the information he gives out. malcolm, david, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> the promise ed 11:00 a.m. ne conference went way, way up. i'm about to start the nature's bounty hair, skin and nails challenge to help with lustrous hair, vibrant skin and healthy nails. so in 30 days, my future self will thank me. thank you. wait, i become a model?!? no. whose cellphone is that?
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. in less than 12 hours donald trump is expected to appear at trump tower. he has been promising to explain how he'll deal with potential conflicts of interest related to his real estate holdings. the stakes for this morning's press conference, if it happens, are now higher than ever after new reporting on russia's interference in the presidential election. here's a reminder of what happened the last time donald trump answered questions about russia at a press conference. >> i will tell you this. russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.
>> and joining us now is former u.s. ambassador to russia michael mcfall and rick wilson, a republican strategist and contributor to the daily beast. thank you for staying up late and being here. >> sure. >> ambassador mcfall, when you heard this news today, we want -- we don't know that any of the information is accurate, obviously. we can't confirm any of it. does at least the idea that donald trump was in russia during the contrary's time period ring true to you? >> yes, it does. when i was ambassador he came to moscow to host the miss universe pageant. i think i got the name right. he was there. he traveled to russia frequently, so the idea that he would be exposed to gathering of intelligence on him, of course, is a plausible hypothesis. i also want to underscore, there's a lot we don't know here. i've got a thousand questions.
>> yes. >> we need to keep asking these questions. >> it's just a matter of the way the fsb, the russians operate. if you're staying in the ritz-carlton hotel, do the russians regularly bug those hotels? >> there's things i can't talk about. >> ok. >> let me tell you when i stayed at that hotel in 2009 with the president of the united states we went to extraordinary efforts to keep our conversations confidential. >> yeah. >> all kinds of things that we did to make sure that we could have private ways to communicate. >> yeah. >> this is a country that is good at gathering intelligence. >> sure. >> this is a country that does that well and one needs to take those kinds of precautions, therefore, whenle traveling to countries like russia. >> we should make the point, rick, that at the time, 2013, 2012, donald trump wasn't president of the united states, president-elect or even running
for president. if you travel as an individual, i guess you take more chances than somebody who is a politician. however, we do now have this as something we have to deal with. it came up today when senator chuck grassley and his committee were interviewg members of the incoming president's team and members of the current government. let's listen to chuck grassley asking about these new reports. >> sure. >> tonight that russians may have actually gotten some personal or financial information about the president-elect that actually compromise the president-elect. one, have you ever been briefed about t the information about this? >> i have not. >> do you have any concerns about that? >> well, of course. if what you described is accurate, i don't question that it is accurate, but if it is accurate, yes. i think the best thing we can do is in the area of sanctions.
>> what do you make of this whole thing, rick? >> these accusations and rumors have been swirling around the intelligence and diplomatic community for well over a year now. they were certainly -- certain to reach a fever pitch over the summer in june and july as david corn's reporting and others' reporting has indicated. the fact of the matter is donald trump has deliberately of skated his relationships with russia, not only about his travel there and his business dealings there but about whether or not many of his companies such as bay rock were involved in what essentially looks to be a set of business partnerships and entanglements with russian ol garks and crime families. there's been a lot of reporting about that. i think what you're seeing is the natural blossoming of this.
for two reasons, one, the intelligence community is increasingly upset and angry that trump has insulted them repeatedly, tried to put off their investigations repeatedly. i think donald trump has also--v and will be more transpampt about it but he won't. there will be many variations on the stories that are floating around. the fact of the matter is his supporters are making a big bet tonight that the cia and british intelligence and others are lying or making something up just to hurt drurp politically that had been circulating for quite some time way before the election reached its fever pitch
in november. >> they're saying everyone is simply wrong. what if they're right? as a former diplomat what could be the risk to the united states if you have a president that a foreign intelligence services have personal information on? >> all intelligence agencies gather intelligence on major political figures, including billionaires in the year 2013. so that they were trying to gather intelligence about donald trump, i have no doubt. what i don't know, of course, is what they have and of course i have no idea if what they have could be used in some kind of blackmail way. i don't want to speculate. we need to know more answers and i fear -- what i really fear is come next friday, we're going to forget about this. we're going to say it's time to move on. my belief is that we need a
bipartisan investigation of russian interference in the most sovereign act that we do as american citizens, vote for our president. and if we don't have that, we're going to be speculating like we were right now. >> do you have any yfdconfidence that the republican party is going to do that? >> i have -- especially folks in the senate on the intelligence committee who have been kurmgs of this kind of information for a long time and have a more granular understanding than donald trump of the importance of the intelligence community and the validity of their reporting and i think there's a rising sense of anxiety among a lot of members of the senate particularly. i think this little honeymoon trump will have after the inauguration is going to rapi y
collide with some of those concerns. there are some stories coming out and the intelligence community is starting to look at is not going to go away. >> you can't trust leaked information that could be wronged, that's what the clinton campaign was saying about the wikileaks. so thank you both for joining us. >> thanks, joy. >> thank you. will donald trump start his presidency in crisis? some lawmakers are calling for a new information. that's coming up. first, president obama's farewell address at the end of his historic presidency. just like the people who own them, every business is different. but every one of those businesses will need legal help as they age and grow. whether it be help starting your business, vendor contracts or employment agreements. legalzoom's network of attorneys can help you every step of the way so you can focus on what you do. we'll handle the legal stuff
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racial america. in such a vision, however well intended, was never realistic. race remains a potent and often divisive force in our society. if every economic issue is framed as a struggle between a hard-working white middle class and an undeserving minority, then workers of all shades are going to be left fighting for scraps while the wealthy will withdraw further into the their private enclaves. >> president obama ended his speech with this call to action. >> our democracy is threatened whenever we take it for granted. if you're tired of a rging with strangers on the internet, try talking with one of them in real life. if something needs fixing, then
lace up your shoes and do some organizing. if you're disappointed by your elected officials, grab a clipboard, get some suggests and run for office yourself. presuming a reservoir of goodness in other people, that can be a risk and there will be times when the process will disappoint you. but for those of us to have been fortunate enough to see this work and see it up close, let me tell you, it can energize and inspire. more often than not, your faith in america and in americans will be confirmed. mine sure has been. >> and joining us now is jean st. pierre around e.d. deon.
he and i happen to have a new book out. we have a new book out today. i've got to go to kareem first. you were there at the speech and were there and worked for the president in the campaign. you are an obama world alum. >> yes. >> how was it to be there, how much crying was there? >> it was pretty emotional. even the president himself, as we saw, took out his hand kerr whichever and had to wipe the tear coming down his cheek when he had that tender moment with michelle, talking about michelle and her importance in his life, which was one of the things about the obamas and the family, which is how real they are and how they really give you a hope and something to really aspire to, which we're going to really miss once they're gone, we'll be starving for it. just to answer your question --
and by the way, congrats on the book to both of you. the room was emotional. you could tell people were excited and wanted to be there for him. i belief i was hearing new stories this morning that people got online at 4:00 a.m. people who were tukted. about 40,000 tickets were landed out. it was respectful but emotional. they were ready to see him. they were excited that the obama family was there. people were very pleased to see the bidens, but it was bittersweet. we needed to hear from him. we needed to hear that farewell. the reality is he's going to be gone on january 20th. >> absolutely. we were texting during the speech and it really was a quintessentially obama speech but i'm dying to let the whole country hear your impressions of this speech. >> yeah. there were two sort of core things about the speech. the one is what you said and
what we were talking about which was there were so many core obama themes in here that we look forward, not back, that as a country, we're a country of constant change. we're not perfect but we always perfect ourselves. my favorite part about obama, he likes the word "perfect" as a verb, not a noun. at several points in the speech, he urged people to get involved to change the country. i thought there was also another fascinating part of the speech which was a manifesto for democracy. he laid out the markers for how he will probably get involved later on. there are some real warnings here, without mentioning trump by name about donald trump in this defense of democracy. he said that democracy can buckle when we give in to fear. there was an almost eerie line when he talked about the
constitution as a great gift. he said america is no fragile thing. we ran across that phrase a lot when we put together our book but then this line. our gains to the long journey to freedom are not insured. i think he was telling his supporters and a lot of people in the country that village len -- vigilance is going to be required. he's going to be out there to defend these values. >> my notes i took during the speech, i'm going to come to you, he laid out what he said were the three internal threats to democracy. and then he talked about things like climate change that can drive more inequality and more wanton poverty. that is exactly the assessment that the intelligence community has made about the entire western world and the threats to democracy. it was interesting as a speech to the world.
i want to play you -- because one of the underpinnings is the islamaphobia. this was the president talking about fear and islam. >> democracy can buckle when it gives in to here. that's why i reject discrimination against muslim americans who are just as patriot rirk as we are. so let's be vigilant but not afraid. i also will try to -- isil will try to kill innocent people. they cannot beat america. >> i'm going to start with you. what struck you -- that was a huge applause line when he said we have to defend muslims around the world. >> that's a really great question. there was a part of the speech,
which i think will go to your question here which where he talks about america exceptionalism. he loves to define that. because republicans had taken that definition for a very long timeaged he wanted to redefine what that means. he really always puts the onus on us, right. he used the bully pulpit to really rally the troops, and he -- at the end he basically said america's in good hands because of you. right? and i think that was a really important -- he laid down the markers. he laid down what there is to fight for and he put that out there. when you -- and he tied that in with all of his accomplishments as well, kind of weaved that through the speech. i thought that was very interesting. >> i'm curious. contrast that with the big speech he gave in cairo about the global relationship with islam. what did you make of it?
this in a way was more tempered and sober speech. the cairo speech was very serious, but that was a time where there was real hope for change. we weren't looking at isis then and he was very clear this time about the dangers. in no way has he backed off this idea of pluralism and empathy and the need for people to empathize across the lines of race and religion. i was really struck by his shoutout to the middle aged white guy who obama said who has seen his world up ended by economic, cultural, and technological change. he's saying that empathy can't be divided. you can't be empathetic to some people and not to others. that's a critique of trump, but it's also a reminder to everybody else about how you have to behave if you want to up
hold that's idea lsz. >> absolutely. >> he also said let's not pretend that the civil rights movement and jim crow ended in the 60s. >> certainly. and nothing could be nor true. thank you both from joining us. coming up next, a new call for congress to immediately investigate donald trump and the trump team's dweelgs russia. it's beautiful. was it a hard place to get to? (laughs) it wasn't too bad. with the chase mobile app, jimmy chin can master depositing his hard earned checks in a snap. easy to use chase technology for whatever you're trying to master.
the information has not been verified by u.s. intelligence. tuesday night, a democratic congressman tweeted this. "fts intel report is true, it would be the most treacherous and criminal act in u.s. history." jonathan, i'm starting with you. it's all over twitter and social media. wur doing the cable news of it. but the more crass version is everywhere, now. >> yeah. >> how do you inaugurate a president who is now at least this sort of compromised in terms of his dignity going into his inauguration day. >> he's going to say tomorrow in his press conference it's a big witch hunt. >> you think he'll do the press conference? >> yes, i think it would be very damaging for him not to. what's so strange about this story, it's either one of the biggest stories in american
political history that an incoming president of the united states has been compromised by russian agents or it's the hitler diaries, a total fake as trump -- and there's nothing in between. it -- if the story's true -- and we'll find out eventually. because as the president indicated tonight, reality has a way of catching up. what you're going to see now is a huge amount of investigative reporting on this. you are going to see congressional hearings. john mccain is insisting on it, rightly, i think. we could have a situation that's not that different from 1972 and 1973. so all these things happened with watergate in the 1972 campaign. it didn't start to come out until 1973 and then they had the big watergate hearings in the summer of 73 and by 74 the president had to resign. i'm not saying that's going to happen with trump. >> sure. >> we have all our attention consumed in the next six months
with what plays out with this story. >> this is not something that's being said about a politician where there is no information that even could theoretically corroborate that he could be a guy. you've got tapes, vulgarity which is his stock in trade, but you have this fixation with being on russia's side. this past saturday, after he'd had his intelligence briefing trump tweets out, having a good relationship with russia is a good thing, not a bad thing. only stupid people or fools would think it's bad. isn't that the problem, donald trump has set himself up to -- i don't know. tell me what you think. >> we have -- we meaning a lot of us have looked around and wondered why is it that donald trump says so many nice things about vladimir putin so
consistently? why has he been so reluctant to criticize him in any way? you showed that tape earlier. it wasn't the russians who did this hacking. it could have been some 400-pound guy on a bed. he has sort of created a question in our heads, why is he like this towards russia. this nflgts, which we don't know how true it is or twlaes yet, but this is a plausible kind of explanation. i think what we've got here are two baskets of things, each of which is very troubling. basket one is that the trump campaign was actively cooperating with russia to defeat hillary clinton. if that's true, that would be lead to that impeachment scenario. the other thing is all this ugly compromising information that the russians again allegedly have on him, these are two big deals.
i think the real test here will be not so much how john mccain reacts, because he's already out there. he wants an investigation. but with this new information, the mainstream republican leadership are saying, wait a minute, do we have to be worried about getting too close to this guy or is this going to be a problem down the line which is why we need to investigate this very quickly. >> he is now in the poll a 73% approval rating. that's like a governor. >> that's the lowest for an incoming president. whereas president obama is at 57%, which is toward the upper end of presidents when they're leaving office. so -- >> so what do you think is the
threshold where republicans say we're not going to follow this guy around anymore. >> there's been some indications that a lot of americans don't care about the russia story. if you start to see it change, people going, you know what, i didn't initially believe these things, they'll be televised because they're juicy. it could be when peoria as they said in watergate changes its minds. when some of these communities that went for trump, the reporters go out there and find out that people do care, then you're going to see a real change. >> then it will be a whole different temperature in washington, d.c. all right, thank you both for joining us. >> good to be with you. >> coming up next, president obama's emotional thank you to the first family.
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. the president and the first lady in chicago last night at what's probably their last major public event together before the inauguration. lots of friends on tonight. i cannot wait to hear your impressions, michelle, of this speech. >> i loved every single word that the president uttered tonight, but obviously one of my favorite parts of the speech is when he looked at his wife and at one of his two daughters and just had nothing but pure love in his eyes for his wife. you know, it was just -- it was romantic. last week she gave a very emotional speech. her goodbye speech. one of the things she said last week was that she hoped she made us proud and like any good husband will do and like any husband who loves his wife, he said you made us proud.
he talked about how she walked into a job that she didn't ask for. he human anized her. when they entered the white house she had to fight the stereotype of the angry black woman. people complained about everything from herbaring her arms and going bare fooft. barack obama told us they are not the stereotype of the black family that has so ingrained in american culture. he's not the broken man that we see in the movie "fences." for example, they have not been broken and they could have very easily been broken from people -- a member of congress yelling at him in the white house, you know, in the joint session of congress you lie and jan brewer rubbing her finger in his face at the airport and all of the things that have been
said about his wife, they have made us provided. >> i won't have time to play my favorite sound bite but she talked about the little boy who wouldwho touched the president's head. what do you think is the most important legacy? let's move. is it the fashion designer she made faimts. what do you think is her biggest legacy? >> i would say, joy, that i would have to put it all together. michelle obama as a human being is her greatest legacy. she completely oversteps or crosses all boundaries. you can't look at her and just see a black woman. she is every woman and we needed that. we needed that in the white house. michelle obama's legacy, if i have to say her biggest legacy is she and barack obama have shown us that there were not only founding fathers, there were founding mothers. >> yes indeed.
good evening. i'm erin burnett. "out front" tonight, breaking news, president donald trump signing an executive order launching an investigation into voter fraud as early as tomorrow. this is according to a senior administration official. it comes as trump is speaking out tonight, doubling down moments ago in an interview with abc news on his false claim of massi massive voter fraud. >> it's been called false. >> look at the pew reports. >> i called the author last night and he said there was no evidence -- >> then why did he write the report? >> he said no evidence of voter fraud. >> why did he write the report? he's groveling again. i talk about the reporters that grovel when they want to write something that you want to hear but not necessarily millions of people want to hear or have to hear. >> you've launched an investigation. >> we will to find out. and i will say this, of those votes cast, none of them come to me. thun of them come to me. they would all be for the other
the investigation would be handled by the department of justice perhaps with the department of homeland security, but it's a sign the president is looking into baseless claims that millions voted illegally in the election. on the same day as announcing a new wall on the border, president trump took time out to call for a federal investigation into a problem election experts maintain doesn't exist. widespread voter fraud. >> when you look at the people that are registered, dead, illegal, and two states, some cases maybe three states, we have a lot to look into. >> he tweet heesd asking for a major investigation into voting irregularities he claims cost him the popular vote. a probe the white house suggests could target nation's biggest states. he insisted to abc news millions of votes could be at stake. >> you have people that are registered who are dead, who are illegals, who are in two states. you have people registered in two states. they're registered in a new york and in new jersey. they vote twice.
there are millions of votes in my opinion. >> reporter: but in fact election records indicate two members of mr. trump's own team, steve bannon and treasury secretary nominee steven mnuchin, were registered in more than one state on election day. white house press secretary sean spicer says the probe will not focus solely on the 2016 election. >> there's a lot of states that we didn't compete in where that's not necessarily the case. look at california and new york. >> back in december, the president's legal team argued that voter fraud did not affect the final results of the election and their attempts to block recount efforts by green party candidate jill stein. white house counsel don mcgahn wrote an illegal brief at the time, all available evidence suggesting the 2016 election was not tainted by fraud. >> it exists. it's rare. >> reporter: ohio's republican secretary of state says he wishes the president would take a more constructive view of the discussi discussion. >> over the coming days, bear the responsibility of sharing exactly where their concerns are, providing evidence of that. >> reporter: while top democrats express alarm. >> i frankly feel very sad about
the president making this claim. i felt sorry for him. i even prayed for him. but then i prayed for the united states of america. >> reporter: we're also learning the president is finished with interviewing candidates for the supreme court. those out there are the top contenders. no surprises according to our sources at the white house. >> thank you. "out front," alex padilla, a democrat. let me ask you, donald trump is looking at the registration rolls now, specifically in states that clinton won. the press secretary sean spicer specifically mentioned california. here's the final numbers from your state as we have them. clinton won california by 4.3 million votes. are you 100% sure nothing would change if trump investigated california? >> good evening, erin. and, no, we're pretty sure nothing's going to change. we have measures in place in california, not just to maintain the integrity of our voter rolls
but how we administer elections as well, whether it's the machines that we're using to mark ballots, cast ballots, count ballots on election day. they're not connected to the internet. no way to have them systematically rigged or hacked. but even the accuracy of the results, there's a random percentage manual tally that's required for each and every county in california to make sure that a hand count matches up with the machine count to ensure the accuracy of the election. nothing's going to change. i think the call for an investigation of some sort, we've had yet to see the details. based on allegations that are not based on evidence or proof or any fact should be cause for concern. >> now, one of the things you just heard trump say he wants to look at is people who are registered twice. as we mentioned his treasury secretary nominee steven mnuchin is registered in new york and of course in your state, california. is this a legitimate issue in your view? >> i think does it happen?
of course, we have two examples from the president's own cabinet and staff here. but it is very, very limited. should it be cleaned up? absolutely. but there's an important distipgs here. if somebody is registered in more than one state versus somebody casting ballots in more more than one state. so when the president says millions of illegal ballots cast, millions of illegal votes, that's simply not the case. my larger concern for the longer term is are they setting the stage for changes in policy or changes in law that will go backward on voting rights. we've seen it happen in a number of other states. the purging of voter rolls, elimination of early voting opportunities, voter i.d. laws that are frankly discriminatory. that's been tested in the states. i hope that's not a sipe of things to come at a federal level. >> before we go, secretary, when you look at that 4.3 million vote margin, what would be your guess if you went and recounted
the votes on how many would change due to, you know, someone intentionally doing something wrong? is it zero? it 20? is it 1,000? do you have any sense of what that would be? >> it's frankly minuscule. and it's not just a wild guess here. you know, we have had a request for recounts in recent years whether it's a very closely contested congressional race or a state legislative race or maybe local city council or mayor's race. and whenever we get to that recount and going through the very thorough protocols, a couple, a handful, single-digit difference, maybe. >> single digits. >> so it won't make a dent in that sigmar gin that president trump lost by in california. but that's secondary. >> all right. secretary padilla, thank you very much. i appreciate your time. "out front" now, the director of the voting rights and election project at the nyu school of law, an expert. dana bash and mark preston. mira, let me start with you.
he wants to investigate the voter rolls in states he lost. secretary padilla doesn't think it will change it, maybe a handful of votes. in this pew study which everybody is citing, one thing it says is 1.8 million dead people registered to vote, people registered in multiple states. how big a mess are the voter rolls? >> there's no dispute our voter rolls need to be cleaned up. this is something the brennan center has been talking about for a decade. people die every day, move every day, change their name because they got married or other reasons. i think the important thing to remember is we need to give resources to election administrators in order to be able to correct for these life changes. if we are interested in making a difference, we need reforms like universal automatic voefter registration. >> you're acknowledging the point, which is important. when there's 1.8 million dead
people on the rolls, that's a problem. anyone looking at this subjectively would say that should change. that's not the same thing as saying people are posing as dead people and coming in and voting. >> it's not new. the part i'm concerned about is this conflation of the system is being rigged to now we have all these undocumented people voting to our voter rolls are being messed up. if we're actually looking to make sure that we have the best democracy in the world, that means we need to invest in the kind of reforms that will give us the best democracy in the world. >> when trump says fraud, people voting twice in two different states, that you don't see evidence happening. those registered in new york and new jersey, they're not going to two states in one day to vote. >> extraordinarily rare. the penalties are high. it is an incredibly inefficient way to steal an election. there's no common rational actor that will feel like they will be able to accomplish something like that in a meaningful way. what i worry about is this conversation is a distraction against the kind of reforms we
actually do need. we need to make sure voters have free, fair, and accessible elections, make sure that everybody that is eligible to be registered gets on the rolls, make sure that people have access to vote on election day. >> so dana, george w. bush also investigated voter fraud. it was a five-year process at one point. "the new york times" at the end of five years said 120 people were charged with election-related crimes. hundreds of millions of votes, 120 people charged, i think 86 convicted. if this is the outcome for donald trump, does he win or lose? >> well, i think the country wins by seeing that voter fraud is not the way that donald trump says he fears it is. but certainly for donald trump personally and politically, it would certainly be a lot of egg on his face. but i think the bigger question, assuming that the president does ask for and pushes for the
justice department to investigate this is how that's even going to work because -- i was just talking to somebody reminding me that jason chey fitz in charge of the house oversight committee to make sure the executive branch is not doing anything wrong, if it were a democratic president saying i'm going to use my justice department to investigate broadly whether there was voter fraud without any evidence, to spend taxpayer money on it without any evidence that would presume that the justice department can actually prosecute, then the oversight committee would be going bananas. understandably and rightly so. but today jason said it's not my purview, it's up to the administration. it's a big question how and who is going to do this investigation that the president says he wants. >> mark, i have a tape to show you. this is billy bush and donald trump on "access hollywood." before your jaw drops, it is not
that tape. oi found another tape. this is donald trump taking billy bush to vote with him in 2004. trump goes to three polling places trying to find the right spot, finally fills out an absentee ballot. play the clip. >> where are we going? >> there's no line at all here. >> do i have to go to a different place? >> hello, gorgeous. how are you? >> hello, how are you. >> nice seeing you. >> how you doing? make sure there's no cheating here, right? >> he's not in my book either. >> hi, fellas. how are you? do you have my name here? >> his name is not on these rolls. there will be a huge combustion in here. >> i'm going to fill out the absentee ballot. and i just voted. at least you can say the trumpster doesn't give up,
right? you've got to vote. >> mark, okay, humorous, but he couldn't even vote once, let alone twice or more as he is now accusing so many people of doing. there's a bigger issue here. >> no doubt that tape from 2004 give where we are right now has to be terribly embarrassing for donald trump although i don't know that he necessarily gets embarrassed. we talk about how he's undermining our democratic process right now. you have democratic and republican secretaries of state, experts in election law all coming to the same conclusion that the bottom line is donald trump shouldn't be safing this. it doesn't send a good message across the country let alone the world. but take it to the world stage. there's a parallel problem, i think a much bigger problem. when you see donald trump out there making this case about false facts, lies about this, if you are a foreign leader and you
are negotiating a trade deal with donald trump, if you are talking about sending troops into another country, if a congressional republican or democrat trying to get legislation done and you see donald trump being stuck in on this one issue, knowing full well that this is it is not correct, you have to wonder to yourself, can i trust donald trump? i think that's something he needs to rectify. to button it up, i spoke to a republican operative in town a few hours ago. this is somebody who's brought in, known as a fixer, and i said how do you think things are going so far? he said to me, it's a roller coaster right now. donald trump can actually get a lot of things done if he gets out of his own way. >> thank you all. next, president trump saying torture works. so is the united states about to return to waterboarding? the practice considered a war crime. and the death of mary tyler moore this afternoon. a special look at the groundbreaking career of one of america's most loved stars. and our special series continues on the mexico border. tonight we're live in arizona. this is drone footage right now
you're looking at of a border fence and nearby private citizens are are armed and on patr patrol. i've been called everything in the book. i've been called a domestic extremist.
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does it work? does torture work? and if answer was yes, absolutely. i want to do everything within the bound of what you're allowed to do legally, but do i feel it works? absolutely. >> elise lavin, obviously a very significant statement. president trump opening the door on an issue that frankly had been resolved which is the fact that the u.s. as of tonight no longer water boards. >> absolutely. there was legislation passed in 2015 which limits u.s. officials to the interrogation techniques that are only allowed in the army field manual, and that bans tactics such as waterboarding when a prisoner is subjected to that kind of controlled drowning. >> we lost that shot but this would be an incredible stunning change in u.s. policy. "out front," bob baer, former cia operative and jeffrey lord, former reagan white house
political director. bob, you heard elise there as she was giving the overall headline that this is now a matter of subtle law, right? this passed. trump is saying tonight he's spoken to people at the highest level of intelligence they agree with him that waterboarding and torture work. does it? >> not according to the senate intelligence committee, it doesn't work, ineffective, in fact causes people to be more radical, groups to be more radical using it. i've seen no good case that anyone's used waterboarding since 2001 and 2002 that it saved american lives, and that's according to the documents, internal cia reports from the inspector general. and it's flatout illegal, the u.n. geneva convention. as mccain said, the law is the law and we can't do it.
>> jeffrey, bob's been on the ground, there in the field. >> which decidedly i have not. i would say, though, that as a civilian listening to rob o'neill, the man who killed osama bin laden, he ip cysts it does work and that's what enabled him to get to osama bin laden. the main issue here is that the president of the united states, the commander in chief, whoever that may be, he talks with people and gets conflicting advice. one adviser says a is the best course, another will say z. it's up to the president to make that decision. and then history will hold him accountable. so this is donald trump's moment as president, all his predecessors have had moments like this with one issue or another. he'll make his decision and we'll go from there. >> president trump spoke about why, the reason, why does he think the united states needs to torture and why it's effective. here's how he answered.
>> when they're chopping off the heads of our people and other people, chopping off the heads of people because they happen to be a christian in the middle east, when isis is doing things that nobody has ever heard of since medieval time, would i feel strongly about water boarding? as far as i'm concerned, we have to fight fire with fire. >> would waterboarding in response really get them to up the ante more against u.s. troops or spies? >> water board is effective as a tool of intimidation. the chinese used it during the inquisition. they terrified people. the egyptians use worse torture today and have intimidated their entire population. at the end of the day, is it moral? i'd say no. and do we want to go down that road of intimidating large numbers of people with torture? you don't get good information
out of it. personally i'd say no. and it's flatout illegal, waterboarding or other forms of torture. according to u.s. law, i don't get the case for it. >> how do you make that case? >> one of the things i find interesting is robert o'neill also said being water boarded is part of navy s.e.a.l. training and if human rights activists saw the way they trained navy s.e.a.l.s, they would probably want to eliminate the s.e.a.l.s. you get to this difference of opinion here and that's basically what this comes down to, and the president will have to make his decision. i'd also say that the president is what we used to call in older days a hawk, and, you know, most republicans are hawks when it comes to foreign policy and defense matters. so i'm not at all surprised that he has this particular point of view. he campaigned on it, he never shied away from it. >> we shall see.
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>> sara, obviously this is something he's been saying for a while in terms of he's going to reimburse u.s. taxpayers, mexico will. how does he initially pay for it? >> there are different options but one of the things house republicans are looking at is a supplemental spending bill dedicated to the wall entirely. i think we'll get a better sent of what president trump wants to do after he has this meeting with republicans. has not necessarily been in lock stem on a number of issues. that gets you potentially through the first part. the bigger question is how can you make mexico reimburse you for it? there was one telling part of these executive orders by druch saying we'll look at the aid we're giving to mexico, maybe slashing that in a way to get mexico to reimburse the country for at least part of the wall. >> they've been trying to come
up with ideas. as you've bp reporting he also signed an executive order today about sanctuary cities. what does that mean? >> this is something he talked about over and over again on the campaign trail. essentially he wants to strip sanctuary cities of their federal funding. we are talking about major cities here. these aren't little ho hum cities only getting small chunks of change from the federal government. we're already seeing backlash. we saw the attorney general in new york saying that they would fight this and they don't believe that donald trump has the authority to make a move like this through an executive action. this could be a huge blow to the budgets of major cities. you can bet this is the kind of thing that's going to be tested in court if not by new york than by any number of other cities. >> thank you. the democratic congressman from illinois, luis gutierrez.
thanks for being with me. president trump signing this executive order. this is his top campaign promise. probably his first one. you of course promised to fight the wall. he's going to do it by executive order. what are you going to do now? >> first of all we're going to fight, we're going to organize lawyers, organize community activists so that no one is left without help. look, erin, let's be clear, we're not going to let him bully the city of chicago. what if tomorrow he says, you know what, you're working -- city of chicago is working with planned parenthood handing out contraceptives, won't give you funding as long as you continue to do that. where is it that we stop president donald trump when it comes to the city of chicago? see, he looks at them as illegals, right? he uses that term. these aliens. we look at them as people who are in our community, husbands, wives, children, our neighbors. they go to church with us.
they're an integral part of our community. so we say to donald trump, we're going to fight you. and think about the crassness of the politics of this all, right? so wrsz he going after? new york, chicago, l.a., cities in which he was crushed politically. talk about somebody who is using raw politics. i don't need them, they don't vote for me, i'm coming after them. >> one thing he's saying, he's making the case the wall will benefit both countries. let me play what he said and explain why. >> you have to understand, what i'm doing is good for the united states. it's also going to be good for mexico. we want to have a very stable, solid mexico. >> he says it will be good for both countries and specifically he says he's talking about this, violent drug cartels who are basically smuggling through mexico from other places in south america and then they're coming and aiming for that board we are the united states. if the wall goes up, they won't
come through mexico, mexico will be safer, so will the united states. could he be right in any way that the wall could be good for the u.s. and mexico? >> hook, the first thing we have to come back is the insatiable demand that exists in cities and suburbs all throughout america. you know and yo've reported on the epidemic that exists among american citizens and their insatiable demand for the drugs. so let's also look at supply and demand. you better than most as an economist will understand this. and think about it. this great wall that he wants -- i imagine he wants to put trump on it in gold letters, the great wall. here's how i look at it. looking at this from a global perspective, right, look, if you push mexico away and let's understand minimum of 6 million american workers count on mexico, our second largest trading partner, i mean, mexico buys more goods produced by
american workers than all of europe combined. 5 million to 6 million american workers depend on the trade between mexico. you build a wall, you w push them straight into china's hands. and instead of having two great walls, china will have two great wa walls. you know what, maybe they'll say, you know what, america, you keep hermosa, we get mexico as one of our trade ing partners i the western hemisphere. >> interesting point. take where we are, which is he is the president, he has signed an executive order, there are ways he could build this wall. he says u.s. taxpayers are initial hi paying for it and mexico will ultimately reimburse it. say the wall is built. will you fight for mexico to pay for it instead of u.s. taxpayers paying for it? would you fight with him on that part? >> let me say this, erin, remember about his secret plan to defeat isis? but he wouldn't tell us about it but he said it would be great?
we still haven't heard how he's going to do pit. then he said he would replace obamacare with something great, better. no details. now building a wall. here's what he said, it will be complicated. >> tariffs could be increased, cut aid -- there are various things they could do that would -- >> there are -- you better than most, i woke up many mornings listening to you when you worked at another station so that i could get the latest news and learn a little bit about how the economy works and how we're interrelated and interdependent. if you do this and push mexico, you will push mexico straight into the arms of china. you will move them away. this is our partner, our trading partner. i didn't vote for nafta because i thought it was a bad deal for workers but that was 24 years ago. do i think we should fix it? do i think we should amend it?
absolutely. but don't use a wall because who's going to -- here's what i'm going to say to you. i'll come back on this program. you and i both know the american people are going to pay for that wall if he builds it and not mexico. it's like so many other things that he tells us are going to be free. but they're not going to be free. and here's what i say. there a they're our trading partner, our friend, our ally. stop thues r using these politics. last, very important, l.a.x. is a border, right? so is chicago o'hare, so is kennedy. the majority of undocumented workers in this country are not mexican nationals. they come through those ports of entry legally and overstay. >> overstay their visas. >> always ask yourself why you never talk about that? do they not represent a threat? >> that's a fair point. congressman, thank you very much. we'll have you back on to talk about this as his plans tonight. next, epa employees said to
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>> reporter: on the border's edge, seven dozen migrants gather for breakfast on the border initiative where jesus garcia is trying to figure out how to get into the united states over a map he recounts how far he's traveled since he left home the day before donald trump was elected president. he started here in honduras, made his way across gatd ma la, here into this little town and this is where he crossed into mexico. he says he hasn't been able to cross. he left home november 7th of last year and he's tried three times already to get across but hasn't been able to. he said it's the first time he's tried crossing the border illegally and it's harder than he imagined. he says if i made hit the far i'll keep trying.
on the ore e side a legion of border patrol agents, barricades, ground sensors are waiting, even some private citizens working on their own to stop migrants like jesus garcia from getting across. >> this is the scene in "the matrix." >> reporter: in tome foley's world, the border lands are a threatening, dangerous place. >> this is what the world really looks like. >> reporter: he leads a volunteer group called arizona border recon that patrols the border around a town in arizona on the u.s.-mexico border with less than a hundred people. >> i've been called everything in the book, a domestic extremist. >> reporter: the southern poverty law center which monitors hate group in the u.s. says foley's group is made up of, quote, native extremists. he sees the flow of drugs, undocumented migrants and the wide open spaces of the border as the country's biggest threat. along the nearly 2,000-mile u.s./southern border there is already about 700 miles of fencing and barricades already in place. here in sassbee, arizona, this
steel see-through fence stretches for several miles but as you approach the end of town, it abruptly comes to an end like these border fences often do as it stretches out into rugged, remote terrain in the arizona desert. >> cameras about five minutes from road. >> reporter: he relies on a collection of cameras he hides in the brush to capture the movements of drug smugglers. he shares that information and videos with border patrol agents. >> you need boots on the ground. that's what's keeping you out there. good thing we have this up here. >> reporter: foley voted for donald trump and wants to see all din the u.s. deport ed and additional border agents moved closer to the mexican border, but he's not convinced trump or anyone else can change the reality he sees. >> when you're reactive to a problem, you're always going to be behind the solution. >> reporter: for many like
18-year-old maria ramirez, they try to come illegally from mexico. she was caught by border patrol with a group of migrants and quickly deported. she wanted to find work in the u.s. to help support her elderly parents. she trembles as she recalls the experience of being smuggled across the border. i asked her if she was going to try to cross again. her brother is still being detained in the united states. she's waiting for him to get out and she's not really sure what they'll do next so she's waiting for him to be sent back here and they'll figure out what they're going to do next. it's the cycle that never ends on the border. >> ed, again, another stunning report, ed "out front" live along the u.s.-mexico border in arizona tonight. yet again in that piece we see a wall and then it just ends. and you showed us that the other night when you were in texas. i mean, it is pretty stunning to see. what do border patrol agents have to say?
>> reporter: we spoke with the wrun i don't know that represents the vast majority of border patrol agents working along the southern border. they are very excited about donald trump being in office. they say they've never been supported bay president in the way that donald trump has supported them and they welcome the idea of fortifying this wall extensively, closing up those barriers, even though that comes at great cost and a great deal of questions and whether or not that's even feasible. they also feel they need more agents on the ground, the national border patrol council says they're down about 1,600 agents right now. >> this is live drone footage right now. you can see that is part of the wall that currently exists. about 700 miles of wall or barricades out of the 2,000 mile
long border. you've shown us texas and arizona. that's next? >> reporter: we're going to move to california. there it's interesting problems even though there's fencing in place in california but smugglers and migrants have gotten creative. we'll explore that and get into the idea of how that affects people on both sides of the border as the u.s. cracks down. what is the ramifications of that, how does it affect people on both sides of the boarder? we'll explore that friday night. >> thank you very much, ed. stunning looking at that drone footage seeing those houses and buildings right up to the edge on both sides and right in the middle that sort of rusted looking fence which is the current wall along the u.s.-mexico border. ed will be back with the next installment of his series later this week. next, the communications freeze at the epa. no tweets or press releases. is the white house targeting an
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>> reporter: cnn has confirmed employees at the epa and the department of interior are under a communication lockdown. an epa memo obtained by cnn says no press releases will go out to external audiences. no social media or blog posts either. digital strategists will oversee social media and employees list serves and scheduled speaking engagements will be subject to review. >> every president puts their own regulations in place and doesn't want to be doing the business of the previous president on big-ticket items. but we're seeing president trump going way beyond that with this political interference because we're talking about basic intimidation and censorship. >> reporter: this comes after the department of interior put a freeze on tweeting after the national park service retweeted messages that compared the crowd sizes at president obama's inauguration to donald trump's inauguration. on tuesday, south dakota's badlands national park official twitter account sent out a
series of tweets about climate change that could be seen as defying president trump. the tweets were later deleted and blamed on a former employee not authorized to use the account. the white house today denied ordering the communications lockdown. >> nothing has come from the white house. >> reporter: cnn spoke to several former epa officials who say a freeze in agency activities is normal during a transition, but some environmentalists are particularly concerned it appears agencies that regulate climate change and environmental policy are being targeted. cnn called multiple agencies including the pentagon, the bureau of land management, army corps of engineers. they've all said they have not been given a directive to change how they communicate with people outside the agency. myron ebell was on the trump transition team. why are only certain agencies being told that they can't speak to outside individuals? >> epa is very political.
they're involved in communicating their message trying to convince people that what they're doing at epa is the correct thing. >> reporter: so while a pause in communications may be standard operating procedure during a transition, i spoke with several past epa official who is say there are parts of trump's transition approach that do appear to be extreme, for example, telling employees they're forbidden from speaking to members of congress. a former republican new jersey governor christine todd whitman who also served as epa administrator under george w. bush, told me today, pointed out that this communications lockdown does come within a context, a context of donald trump's war on the media and the distrust of the press. i am also told by epa spokesperson that the agency is in the process of reviewing all the material, what will be allowed on the agency website,
what will not be allowed and the litmus test is what fits with the administration's views. >> thank you very much. next, jeanne moos remembering the much-loved visionary actress mary tyler moore who died this afternoon. >> only 7:45. i have time for 8:00. >> but joanne, i didn't tell anyone to get here. the best simple veggie dish ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple dinner ever? heart healthy california walnuts. great tasting, heart healthy california walnuts. so simple. get the recipes at walnuts.org.
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>> reporter: mary tyler moore's smile has been turned off before the age of 80. ♪ you're going to make it after all ♪ her famous hat throw immortal e immortalized in a statue. >> here it goes! >> reporter: her first acting was as an elf. pushing appliances. but her career really got hot -- >> the "the dick van dyke show" -- >> >> reporter: in 1961 with her first starring role. >> i want to show you off. how about it, laurie? will you give me that pleasure? >> no. >> reporter: in her own show she played a single tv woman in a newsroom. >> you've got spunk. >> well -- >> i hate spunk. >> reporter: the show had enough spunk to last seven seasons. ♪ mary also went after serious roles. >> do you chase these roles or -- >> yes. >> reporter: she was nominated for an academy award for
"ordinary people" in her not so ordinary life, she was married three times, went through diabetes and a benign brain tumor, lost her only son when he accidentally shot himself. she was a vegetarian and for years an alcoholic. >> i just made up my mind to stop. >> reporter: and checked into the betty ford clippic. watch her expression when larry king described her -- >> television's comedy goddess. >> reporter: she said this quote was her motto. >> what other people think of me is none of my business. >> reporter: if you think of her as sadness, recall her cracking up at the funeral of chuckles the crown. remember how that ended? >> go ahead, my dear. laugh for chuckles. >> reporter: mary tyler moore fans may need some tissues. or at least a group hug. >> i think we all need some kleenex.
saw fairly recently at the white house when president trump announced judge neil gorsuch would be his pick to replace justice scalia. several people people will be in attendance whose family were killed from undocumented immigrants. at president trump's campaign rallies he'd bring people on stage to talk about this with regard to immigration. this will be a discussion of potentially economic security, national security, and possibly immigration as we look ahead later in the week, ali, to the president revealing his revised travel ban. on friday remember, it will be a month that original ban has been tied up in court essentially since the stay was put on it. the president might talk about his budget, too, something a lot of members of congress are particularly interested in hearing. here's what he had to say when it came to what he would do with entitlement reform with cuts to medicaid and social security. listen. >> you have an omb director finally.
he says you have to take an axe to entitlements. u.s. treasury says we're not touching it. who is right? >> who is right if the economy sails i'm right, i'm not touching social security. >> your omb is wrong? >> i'm not saying anybody is wrong. i think this is what's going to happen, brian, i think our country is going to sail. >> reporter: parse that. that is the president doing what he's done for months now, to continue to reiterate he is not going to be touching these entitlements. paul ryan is somebody who has worked for years to try to make the point that that overhaul needs to happen in order to make real dramatic changes to government spending, the house speaker saying this morning on nbc news with matt lauer that health care reform would be entitlement reform. it was interesting to hear him at his press conference earlier this morning ali talk about that given that did not seem to be one of his big pushes prior to president trump taking office. >> yes but you don't have to be an expert to look the at the budget and say if you are increasing defense spending to the degree they want to, you
forward on it. i do think there is kind of, they're looking for some direction here. paul ryan the house speaker was pressed on all of these issues earlier today. take a look at what he had to say. >> two, entitlements are reformed with repealing and replacingby ma cair right now. that's two entitlements we're reforming just this spring so we are well on our way to reforming entitlements by repealing and replacing obamacare so i think that's a pretty darned good start. >> reporter: but the reality here, ali, is that you know, president trump, his rhetoric is much different than paul ryan, when it comes to entitlements like medicare and social security. paul ryan has essentially built almost his entire political kind of reputation and career as the guy who is willing to te on the hardest questions in government, and trying to control the costs associated with entitlements. it's both a necessary thing for the long-term fiscal health of the country, republicans would
expect a reset or like what he said to "fox&friends" this morning where everything is fine. >> a lot of people watching to see how he decides to pivot. last year his famous line in his convention nomination speech was i alone can fix this." well we've seen now few weeks in office that you can't do everything by yourself as president. he's tried signing a lot of executive orders, some of them have gone forward, some of them have been stopped by the courts. there's a limit to how much you can do without congress and so far he actually hasn't proposed much of a legislative agenda. they're talking about it but haven't come up with the specifics. if he's going to begin engaging congress-to-tonight's the night to do it. what are we asking congress to dos? 'his republican party in charge of both houses. what does he want to do on health care, on tax reform and a loof other issues. >> hallie, there are som protests taking place tonight that will take place inside the capitol, some because people won't show, some because of what
people are wearing, some because of the way that they are breaking with tradition. tell us about this. >> reporter: ali, we know this. let me start with who won't be attending, the name we've heard so far is congressman maxine waters. according to sources who are familiar with this house democratic caucus meeting this morning she stood up and said hey and i'm paraphrasing i'm not going to be here and urged other members not to attend if they felt they couldn't contain themselves when they watched the president speaking. about a half other democrats said it's important to attend to listen to be respectful, fight the fight after but at least go and listen to what the president has to say. that is what congressman elliot engel says he'll listen. what won't he do, ali? we found out in the last hour or two the congressman will not for the if, time in nearly 30 years stand on the aisle and shake the president's hand as he walks by. you might remember from past joint addresses to congress, whether they be state of the union addresses or addresses like this time of year, there's
been a little bit of jockeying position who can shake the president's hand and have that moment as the president was walking into the chamber. congressman engel is not going to try for it this year because he has so many concerns about the trump presidency and administration so far. >> peter, let me ask you something about this discussion of thinning down the state department, and what some people are criticizing as eliminating some of the u.s.'s soft power. i want to read to you what 121 retired generals said about president trump's plan to slash the state department's budget. "elevating and strengthening diplomacy and development alongside defense are critical to keeping america safe." this was signed by people like david petraeus, anthony zinny, james stavrides and echoed by a number of people on our air today saying soft power is much more important than this president seems to think it is. >> that's right.
lot of times people come into office we're going to cut foreign aid and spend it at home, america first. what they don't understand when they say that is the foreign aid is a tiny, tiny percentage of our budget. polls have shown that americans think it's something like 20%, 25% but it's really like a percent and a lot of that goes to our friends like israel, egypt, and others that we would find important recipients for a lot of reasons that you just mentioned. so that's why bob gates, who was the defense secretary under george w. bush and stayed under barack obama he made one of his primary missions when he was at the pentagon to bolster the state department because he felt that was anmportant complement to the kind of military power that he exercised that without it, the pentagon would be in worse shape so you do hear this from a lot of people on the military side of the equation, not just the diplomats. >> kasie, hallie, peter, stand by. i want to bring in my other
guests here, harold ford jr., former congressman and msnbc political analyst, michael waldman, president of the brandon center for justice. gentlemen, i want to play what you lindsey graham said about president trump's budget proposals. let's just play that. >> it's dead on arrival. it's not going to happen. it would be a disaster, if you take soft power off the table then you're never going to win the war. what's most disturbing about the cut in the state department's budget, it shows a lack of understanding what it takes to win the war. >> now, congressman ford, it is -- you get in-party fighting. in the republican fighting it's unusual with john mccain and lindsey graham when it comes to military matters. when lindsey graham says this is off the table, pulling soft power off the table and john mccain said yesterday the amount of money he's putting into the defense is not enough. this is a problem.
>> there's no doubt. i think you said it best in the outset your introductory remarks, probably more interesting than to see how many democrats don't attend or don't stand to see how paul ryan and i would argue mitch mcconnell and lindsey graham and john mccain how they perceive and receive the speech. trump thinks he can make the economic message about growth. we'll spend some and grow the deficit. you're going to see if the freedom caucus stands up to trump. you get a sense trump will say we'rg to spend until we grow this economy and put people back to work. he won't be able to get around john mccain on the issues. stavrides and pea tray was were considered for two high jobs in the administration. for them to make that point it is clear there's an alliance
growing within the republican party and within the military intelligencia saying mr. president you can't cut the state department funding and argue that you're increasing the defense spending and make america safer. the two go hand in hand. i'll be as curious about republican reaction as anything else. >> it's a shift. i don't know how you describe it, michael, the shift that says all right, there are a lot of people you can agree or disagree whether you want more military. experienced people say they do need to upgrade the military and a lot who don't but the concept of reducing our soft power and our influence which we have seen in the president's behavior in the first 40 days but now being backed up by an actual thinning down of the state department and our diplomatic efforts around the world, i don't know if there's a school of thought for that other than isolationism. >> you're right, the military spending was frozen for so many years in some ways by the sequester. >> right. >> putting that aside, this has more of the wreak of the kind of pretend budgeting where you pretend that you can get it all
by closing down the washington monument and cutting out of the discretionary spending. >> we heard somef that in the sequester, federal government chefs earn too much money and these people earn too much money. you can't add up to the amount of money you need. >> and presidents often will find themselves late in their term almost become a lame duck setting up a budget that, as it is said, dead on arrival. president his first month in office maybe needing a reset. the most unpopular new president since they invented polling, and a budget that seems like if it couldn't go more inkept and more into detail than we've heard up until now, congress will roll its eyes and do its own thing. that is not a recipe for the kind of "i alone with fix it" strongman leadership trump wanted people think he was going to offer. >> if you eliminated discretionary spending for the next ten years you still can't
get to. >> but this is an achilles heel for republicans because we've had a really bad ten years when it comes to budgeting. we haven't even met the basic rules of budgeting. in the constitution, congress only as you know has one written out responsibility in its appropriation. >> the 13 appropriations. >> they've got to do this. we've been bad at it, it's become so partisan, can they do something whereby the president and the executive branch puts forward a budget and there's really robust discussion about it, and there's a vote and by october we actually have a budget? >> so to your point i served there. i don't think there was a time i was in congress, in my ten years that we passed the budget by seember 30 for the beginning of the fiscalear october 1. trump is saying he's going to do it, and he's going to have a big test on his hand, if he's able to convince this congress to run some deficits, if he's able to convince his own omb chief who comes from the freedom caucus this is okay to do.
>> the white house budget director came out at the beginning of the press conference and speak the language of we're getting a budget out there and going to go through the process, going to get passed and we'll get back to the business congress is supposed to do. nevermind naming post offices and things like that. they need a budget. >> this is like the famous parable of the dog that caught the car and what is it going to do with the car? there's been ten years of republican oppositional taunts like we're going to repeal obamacare on the first day. everybody in the country should understand the president and the congress are controled by one party. i think there was a lot of confusion before because of the star power of somebody like barack obama or whoever is the president. so not only will the republicans in congress have to grapple with these numbers, whatever the tone we hear from the speech tonight, they will own that, too. after the most divisive and dark inaugural address ever and the most angry and self-absorbed presidential press conference ever, what kind of tone will we hear from this president?
i'm not necessarily betting it will be unifying and forward-looking. >> i'm a bit of a geek about these things but important for people to remember the budget is the writing down of the priorities of that government. it's where they put their money where their mouth is. so they can say anything they want to do, but until it shows up in that document, it doesn't make any sense. >> and he will have an opportunity -- look, i hear michael and i hear a lot of my democratic friends. i don't remember a state of the union that was terrible. i remember state of the unions i didn't agree with. >> sure. >> he's starting out with a good title, american renewal and he is going to have to navigate tough trends around health care, the main governors opposing his health care plan because they don't want to see medicaid reform are republican governors. i'm nervous. i want to see some of the details about how we get these things done. where the unrubber meets the road and legislators and governors and mayors have to
legislate at home. >> donald trump surprises us all sometimes so if he does go down that road of an optimistic speech about revival we'll be all ears. that brings us to microsoft's pulse question. here is what president trump said about health care. >> nobody knew that health care could be so complicated. >> actually lots of people say they knew that health care was complicated but we're asking you, many say health care is broken is it too complicated to ific? le us know at us.msnbc.cpulse.m. i grew up in canada so i'll recuse myself from this conversation. the white house denying they're calling for mass deportations of illegal immigrants but some aren't so sure that's actually true. we'll talk to congressman joaquin castro about his recent conversation with the head of immigration and custom enforcement and the white house's immigration plans. and activists across the country getting ready to fight back as republicans vow to crack
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which would gut funding to cities that don't enforce immigration laws so-called sanctuary cities. jacob rascon is live at the site of the protest in austin. what is it that the protesters want? >> reporter: we've talked to people from el paso and houston and dallas and the rio grande valley. they've come in, probably several hundred of them, after a march and a rally, what you're seeing now is them going into the capitol building, they want to talk to lawmakers and also want to chant and make some noise and what they hope, what they are demanding is sb4 doesn't make it through the house and into the governor's office, where he would sign it into law. the truth is that it may do just that. it passed the senate with flying colors. what it does as you pointed out bans sanctuary cities and will gut the money from the state to local or county or any other governments that refuse to comply. we'll talk with one of the people who came from out of on,
roscio from houston. why did you choose to come? >> i choose to come because i know what it feels like to have a parent be deported back to their home country and it's just not a pretty feeling. >> reporter: it was a couple of weeks ago your father was deported, and you found out because he called you from mexico. what do you stye those who will say look, the law is the law. if you're here illegally and you commit a crime that's just what happens. what is the argument? >> well, sometimes back in their home country there's just a lot of vionce going on that it's way too dangerous and you can be risking your life there and coming to the u.s. it's a much safer place and you have a brighter future here and you're safe. >> reporter: thank you so much forever your time, rocio. lot of them say they want a better process and of course they want sanctuary cities to be okay. back to you. >> all right, jacob rascon thank
you very much. let's stay in texas, joining me is congressman joaquin castro, democrat from texas. good to see you. thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> you met with immigration and customs enforcement i.c.e. and after that meeting you said it was not hard to conclude that president trump has started his mass deportation plan. here's what attorney general jeff sessions said this morning about immigration reform. listen. >> i believe there's nothing wrong legally morally or intellectually with a lawful system of immigration. it serves the national interest. what's wrong with that? >> all right, let's take him at his word. what's wrong with a lawful system of immigration? >> absolutely nothing, and in 2014 i believe the senate passed a comprehensive immigration reform bill and that bill had enough votes in the house of representatives to pass both democrats and republicans at the
time, but the speaker refused to put it up for a vote. and what we're seeing from now stem from congress's failure to pass an immigration reform bill that clearly outlines who gets to stay and who has to go. nobody is standing up and saying that somebody who is a murderer or a rapist should be allowed to stay in the country but there are millions and millions more people who are nothing like that, who are peaceful people, many of whom have lived here for decades, who are raising their kids and their families, who have paid their taxes, and most americans and most texans agree those peoplehould have a path to legalization. >> let me ask you this, congressman. parse this with me. yesterday i was speaking to governor mcauliffe of virginia, who said that he had spoken with homeland secretary kelly, who said to him that no one who hasn't had a mixup with the law who is here illegally should fear being deported. then governor mcauliffe said he
relaid that, he asked secretary kelly if he could speak about this and secretary kelly said okay. governor mac awe live relayed that to the president and the president also said he could speak of that and that was likely true. do you believe that, that if you haven't had a brush-up with the law and you are an undocumented immigrant in the united states that you are safe from deportation? >> that's absolutely untrue. if you look at what's going on, we see that it's untrue and i.c.e. basically said that's not the case. let me tell you why. they specifically said that if they have for example a warrant to pick somebody up at a particular location, an undocumented immigrant, that they have the right and the ability and they will go and ask the other people who are living in that household basically for their citizenship documents to prove whether they have the right to be here or not. those could be kids, those could be other adults who have committed no crimes whatsoever, so what you're telling me points to a bigger problem we've had with this administration that
has not to do with immigration but just about every issue which is on controversial issues you're getting three or four or five different answers from the white house, and the president on these things, and honestly, americans don't know whose word to trust. >> right, this is the governor of virginia, the secretary of homeland secuty, and the president, and then you talking to the head of i.c.e. that's a lot of different information coming from a whole lot of people who should know. let's get down to the business about having a brush with the law. there was a deportation recently in arizona and the government was saying this is somebody who had been convicted of an offense, the offense was working with a social security number because she was illegal. in the case of many undocumented workers in the united states, there are two things that they do, if they require, if they have to drive and they are not able to get a driver's license, they sometimes drive without a license, and in other cases they work with someone else's social security number. that puts them into the system so if the government does stick
to the idea that if you've had a brush with the law, they will deport you, those people do fall into that basket. >> that's right. you raise a great point. when we think of deporting people who are criminals, we're thinking of people who have, you know, committed a kidnapping, a murder, a rape, burglary, something that we really consider a fundamental crime. now defined as a crime are also those things that you describe, people who come here who are desperate to support their families, that do come up with the social security numbers, who by the way are paying taxes, but they're also being hired by american businesses for cheap labor, and that's been going on for a long time, so there's incredible hypocrisy in the entire immigration system, but also as part of the listf offenses that i.c.e. listed to us was something as simple as traffic tickets. so not even forging a social security number or other documents, but literally getting a traffic ticket, and so that's
why i made the comment that they basically declared open season on all immigrants except for maybe some daca recipients. >> there was a young boy, 19-year-old boy arrested for having less than two ounces of marijuana and looked like he was going to be deported. apparently that didn't happen but he got into the process. >> that's right my office intervened, congressman lloyd dogett intervened. this kid had a joint or some possession of marijuana which you know, obviously in most states marijuana possession is still illegal, but the young man is also not a murderer. he's not a rapist. and marijuana is legal in many states so it's not as black and white as it seems. >> we haur you've been mulling a run against ted cruz for the senate. you come from a very political family. you are a texas politician.
what's your timetable to make that decision? >> you know, i said that within the next few months, i expect to make that decision, as you can imagine i'm trying to balance that with the incredible responsibilities of being on the house intelligence committee, and we literally in the eye of the storm with the russia investigation and so i'm hoping to make decisn in the next few months. it's clear to me going around the state and talking to texans from all walks of life that they want a different senator, they want somebody who will serve the people of texas and they're hungry for change. >> congressman joaquin castro thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> republicans are growing increasingly concerned over plans to repeal and replace obamacare. who is responsible for coming up with an alternative and can they pull it off? before fibromyalgia,
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the president is expected to discuss the repeal and replacement of obamacare in his prime time address tonight. nbc's tom costello joins me now from washington with a preview. tom, good to see you. i don't know if it's a fair question to ask you but what are you expecting to hear from the president about the reform of the affordable care act? >> i think there are so many unanswered questions right now and so many parties with conflicting ideas about what's going to happen. there appears to be growing consensus among republicans in congress and republican governors that they need to have a replacement plan in effect. they can't just throw out the affordable care act and not have something to take its place. is congress considering replacing obamacare or in the end revising it? today the speaker of the house suggested a popular element of obamacare which requires
insurers to cover preexisting conditions that will likely stay. >> our whole purpose is to improve access to affordable health care coverage, regardless of whether you have a preexisting condition or not. that is what we ran on last year, that's what we're working on this year, and that is our objective. >> critical piece of information there. so what could stay or what could go from obamacare? we heard about preexisting conditions, if the speaker is to be believed that will likely stay. what about children covered until they're 26 years old? that's a popular portion of obamacare? what about preventative care? the law requires insurers to offer preventative care medicine to everybody, not just obamacare patients. we're talking colonoscopies and blood pressure and cholesterol screening and mental health care, addiction care. what about the individual mandate, very unpopular with republicans that requires everybody to have insurance, therefore paying into a system to provide coverage for everybody. if that goes away, will fewer
americans be covered? the problems with the law are very well documented ali. insurers are pulling out of the marketplaces in many states because they're not making enough money to make it viable for them. premiums on average up 20% this year, in some cases like arizona much more, deductibles up. that said, 20 million more people have insurance than before the law was enacted and the percentage of americans without health insurance has dropped from 16% down to 11%. >> so tom, let's just talk mano e mano. we're business guys, there's math and it's basic. regardless of politics and where you think obamacare should go and whether you like it or not, to have people with preexisting conditions remain on these policies and to have kids remain on their parents' policies, you haveo have that individual mandate. no one's come up with different way of doing this yet. prident obama didn't like the idea initially and he had to
succumb because the actuaries told him that's the only way you can do it. this is an insurance concept. >> you're absolutely right and that's not a political discussion. if you keep certain elements everybody seems to like how do you pay for it if you're not requiring people to pay in, how are you going to do this? the republican side has talked about certain types of penalties if you will, that's not the correct phraseology. >> credits and tax credits, but again, there are other republicans saying that's not republican orthodoxy, just a wolf in sheep's clothing. >> certain elements of obamacare which were not part of the law eight years ago are prebaked into this conversation. there doesn't appear to be any appetite for losing the law which requires people to, which allows people to have insurance even if they have a preexisting condition, that 26-year coverage for 26 years old and under is popular, there's certain portions of this which now may
become simply part of the fabric of the country, much as social security when fdr proposed that, that was unpopular. >> tom great to talk to you as always. i want to bring in congresswoman barbara lee of california, staunch advocate of the ofordable care act and opposes any efforts to repeal or replace it. congresswoman thank you for beingith us. some said earlier it's like the dog that caught the car. they've got it now and they are struggling with the very things this my colleague tom costello says they're struggling with. there are parts of obamacare that are remarkably popular. what are you going to do if you're a republican? >> i would say the majority of the affordable care act is very, very popular. when you look at what people have said throughout the country, at town meetings, it's don't take away my health care, don't make america sick again.
i don't know how the republicans are going to get out of this. they can't repeal this. 30 million people will lose health care coverage and we're not going to go there, and so i thank the people of the country for organizing, mobilizing, raising their voices and making sure that the affordable care act is not repealed. >> let me give you the hits i'm getting from this, a sound bite from house speaker ryan's conference or he made some comments this morning about why he thinks they're going to get away with repeal and reform. listen. >> the democrats admitted very clear with us they don't have any interest in repealing owe pa ma cai obamacare. they want to go down with a sinking ship, they want to go down with a collapsing law. >> yesterday they said it will collapse under its own weight. surely as a democrat you can see there are some problems around the edges or maybe even closer to the middle with obamacare
that some form of reform could be useful. >> first with regard to tinkering around the edges, fixing what the problems are, correcting some of the problems, fine. but we're talking about allowing a full repeal of the affordable care act. to the republicans don't take away my health care. it's really unfortunate that the president didn't really realize how difficult this is. that's pretty ignorant. my grandchildren knew how difficult it was to put together a health care plan that would cover all americans regardless of their income level, background or where they lived. even in west virginia, black lung disease is covered now, people suffering from that have coverage. people aren't going to let this administration take away their health care and we'll fight to the end. >> the president and the administration often talk about arizona, they often talk about premiums, having spiked 20% in
some areas. how do you address those things, insurers who are leaving certain areas? look, i like to correct people that the increase in insurance rates is slower over the last five years than it was in the previous five years but insurers have left in some areas, so should the democrats come up with their own replacement? >> the first thing we have to do is make sure that the 30 million people who are covered do not lose their health care. once we do that, if there are fixes that we have to engage in, then okay. but right now we're not going to allow this administration to take away health care from people who desperately need it. this is a matter of life and death. preventative health care, all of the coverages that people receive now, their premiums would go up if in fact the republican ideas are put into place and we're not going to let that happen. so we're going to continue to work with our constituents and to help organize around the country, so people, the republicans excuse me and
speaker ryan and the president, so they understand that people do not want to lose their health care coverage. >> congresswoman, you said your grandchildren would understand it was complicated. i suspect you have unnaturally smart grandchildren. thanks for spending time with me. >> they are very smart. to that issue of health care let's get a quick check on today's microsoft pulse question. many say health care is broken. is it too complicated to fix? what you're saying so far, 8% say it's too complicated to fix, 92% of you say no, it is fixable. there is time to weigh in at pulse.msnbc.com and as we go to break, breaking news from the meth un methuen, massachusetts, outside of boston a small plane crashed into a building. no word yet on injuries. we'll stay on top of the story and get you more when we come back. i should take a closer look at geico...
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agree the country is divided but all say it's time to get back to the basics. >> i think in order for us to bring the country together generally speaking is we have to start acting as individuals and as human beings. so the way i see the divide is people generally speaking again are far too attached to their political parties. >> i just try to always point out the things that we can agree on, we love america, you know, there are things that we all would like to see a balanced budget. we'd all like to see less spending in government. you know, there are so many things that i found over the half that you just mention year these things and everybody comes together. >> i think americans now they're anonymous. they're behind that keyboard and nobody's home and they're locked in a room and they can say whatever they want to say, no matter how mean or no matter
what it takes away from somebody else. the truth matters not a lot anymore. it's how fancy your website is, or how many listeners or likes when we first came here, we didn't know each other. i didn't know susie was a republican. i didn't ask her. it didn't matter. why does it matter in d.c. so much? >> uh-huh. >> uh-huh. >> why does it matter in rally
so much? it doesn't matter. it really don' >> thas right. >> yeah. >> it really doesn't. >> we brought together some strangers, but by the end of the conversation they were shaking happened and exchanging phone numbers. ali? >> now, if we can multiply that about by 100,000, we might actually work something out in this country. thank you for going there and listening to what people's views are. for us in burlington, north carolina. president trump and the war on terror. what can we expect to hear from the president tonight about his plans to defeat isis? all finished.
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trump's name tattooed on his neck, because he explained it's the one place where people can't mess with it. >> i put this on my front yard, they will vandalize my house. i put a sticker on my truck, they will screw up my truck. come vandalize me. that's all i've got. >> tom: makes sense. [laughter] he probably displays the ink proudly. >> a little old ladies are like, i love my 40. it will be like that, you got this. oh, my lord. >> tom: i have no idea what he's saying, but i love it. goober sees a lot of himself in trouble. >> he's not the most politically correct person. i'm not the most -- right is right, wrong is wrong. and if it ain't right, make it right. >> tom: he's pretty passionate. but how about people who are more committed to trump? they are called proud boys. clinical introduced us to the group which is led by an intriguing fellow named kevin
mcinnes. >> these are the proud boys. launch this past fall by vice media finder gavin mcginnis who calls it a western chauvinist fraternal organization we are proud boys celebrate their male identity and the poor feminists and islam. members can but speak in the group by getting -- by wearing the word proud boys on their body and attending regular meet ups. in a september manifesto and billing the group, mcginnis explained that quote the exact details, it consisted of fighting, and reading aloud from pat buchanan's "death of the west." >> the time for apologies is passed. >> tom: last week the group was in d.c. for inauguration. i trust there were no altercations? >> on thursday, a dozen numbers of the group pulled into washington to celebrate the inauguration of donald trump by poor ball and national press club escorting attending the woman who had been threatened
>> tom: he's nuts. i love him. he's got more courage than anyone i know. he speaks his mind. which is still needed right now, i think. >> tom: to speak your mind, right! political correctness gone. >> john devore welcome back to the show. >> thanks, tom. it's a pleasure to be come back. >> tom: what are you talking about? this is a real group. a lot of people think these proud boys that it's some kind of a joke, but i will tell you. gavin, you know, and anthony will say, he does believe in what he -- he said his western chauvinist organization. >> right. look. i was "maxim" magazine editor for years. i'm cool with a bunch of burros who want to hang out and drink beer, make out, whatever. if these proud boys don't want to serve the country, they can join a little boy called called the united states marine corps. i think they should. it did wonders for my brother. >> tom: your brother was in the marines quick to make >> yes, he was. i was not.
but whatever. again, they want to make a difference. they should enlist. >> tom: can gavin still do that? >> i know gavin can. but his boys can. >> tom: michael, what do you think of this organization? >> i've been on gavin's show on wednesday, full disclosure. i hang around some of these people all the time. between you and me, this is just being gay, right? they are like, yeah, kind of. if you talk about his book, he rented out a house with him and his dad and all his buddies and they are all drunk and they are all making out with each other. his words. the book is called "how to kiss in public." we talk about a slippery slope toward fascism in this country. part of that slippery slope is homoeroticism. just sitting around reading pat buchanan, i'd rather they be having sex with each other.
i think there's a lot of guys out there who are attached they are expressing themselves, they feel like they were finally able to express themselves and transamerica. >> two things. i don't think politics is therapy or feelings were football i don't like anyone who loves their politicians. but in that case case, it's not a big enough pond it's not a big enough to find. he should be doing trump across the entirety of his neck, it should be bigger. >> i think he did that on purpose. i think he did that on purpose because i did the math. you know how much it costs to take off the tattoo? procession, is $500. that's about 13 sessions he'd have to go in there. it would be almost 5000-$6,000 for him to get that off. this is by the way the equivalent of the stamp from 1999. the stamp. >> i think that's good, because it looks like a little choker.
>> tom: moving on. senate democrats are learning how to talk to "real people." they are trying to learn it for like witch. on thursday, ten democrats who are facing election contests that state that trump won gathered in west virginia to discuss how to better reach the forgotten men and women of america. today's agenda includes seminars like speaking to those that feel america feel invisible in rural america. listening to those who feel unheard. and learning to love toby keith's music. [laughter] that last one wasn't real but the other two are. the dems also had speakers with trump voters with senator manchin -- why do democrats need these kind of seminars? >> there is no pretense that they are going to listen to these people and actually
represent them. what they doing is we are still going to get over on our evangelical progressivism, but we have to convince them using their terminology that we are on the same team. the jig is up, they don't control the mainstream press anymore, and now they have no idea how to get over in terms of their propaganda. >> interesting. hitha, it's true. they've had problems mitigating. it's not just liberalism. they have problems communicating with that cultural out of new york l.a. american and do you think, like michael does, they aren't going to be able to do it? >> no, they are not. i feel establishment dnc is done. when you have a group of -- i keep going back to these women's march, but there were a lot of people out there. i was down there. i was in new york on saturday. when you had that many people on the ground grassroots getting passed pissed off and the two cultures are trying to raise in the dnc have no idea what everyone is doing out there protesting, you have a problem. of course you need seminars on how to talk to their
constituents. they have no idea. yes, they are trying to target these states that really need to swing over to the democratic side in their eye even know that their supporters are out there protesting. i need to be out there with them and they are not. >> tom: devore, you're one of these people. i want to pay you a compliment. people like you could talk, you could talk to average americans. you could go down to west virginia. i feel if you could talk to these guys in the john deere. why can't your average democrat do that. >> i have the greatest debt an average american. >> here is what i think is the real love story. republicans should pay me to teach them how to talk to the middle class without lying that they care about the middle class, because they don't. the g.o.p. is about one thing and one thing only, that's redistribute wealth from working
>> i'm listening to you! you are exactly what the democrats were doing -- >> you are wrong. >> i will tell you why you are wrong. >> it has nothing to do with the fact that -- >> donald trump is not a businessman. donald trump is joe pesci in "casino." >> he speaks the language that's not even seven grade level? no offense. >> again, the elitist seventh grade level. trying to talk to middle america. >> news is supposed to be read at the seventh-grade level. that's not elitist. >> if you have to raise your voice, you are telling the truth. >> wait a minute, he hitha what is the answer if it's not businessman credentials that speak to americans, what is it? i think it is that he speaks regular, plain english. >> he is everyone's, like, uncl
uncle. they are our father, their grandfather that has this hope of making america great again. >> successful billionaire uncle... >> it's not the billionaire. it's not the money. it's the way he centered himself. everyone has that guy in their family or does that guy that's just the average man that wants to make america -- he wants to better himself. that's who he relates to. and the way he speaks. it's very average. that's not a bad thing. and it's not elitist. >> tom: we are moving on. nasa has unveiled their new spacesuits, and it couldn't be more blue. astronauts will wear the updated outfit on the mission to the international space station in 2018. astronaut eric bowe said in a prses release is that the most important part it looks cool. the most important part, the suits will keep you alive. that makes more sense. new features include an upgraded
helmet, sensitive gloves, and a cup holder. astronauts will also be getting special new boots for walking on the moon. is there any parents on the panel? >> wow. what are those quick smack >> space boots. >> okay. [laughs] >> tom: let me read. the logo notice that the suit looks very similar in 2001 a space odyssey. the great steven spielberg film. devore? >> i'm sorry for shaking the table. i love that spacesuit. i love nasa. you know why i love nasa? it's the closer we get the starfleet. and i love "star trek" ." >> tom: anthony, you're a "star trek" fan as well. >> i do. >> tom: you've always love "star trek," but what you think about our space program? it was very exciting in the
'60s. and now it's kind of lost its luster? >> it's lost its luster because, i don't know. people stopped dreaming about being in space. in this country, anyway. i hope his thumb can stick out like that so they can pitch the right with the russian spaceships because we don't have an actual spaceship to take you into space. and i hope the glass on the front can finally protect against that thing that grabs you. >> it's got that wonderful -- i think we are kind of gearing up, we are going to get back into space. i think the problem was when we started working together with other countries, i liked it when i was in versus russia. >> i like the conflict, too. listen. that was when space became something that was really awesome and people really love it. but i have -- he's the person
who designed those original spacesuits for the movie is now the queens designer. he's been the queen designer of england since 1963. >> tom: it really? he designed the original spacesuits for what will be quick smack >> for "space odyssey." >> tom: "2001". >> first of all, if we had hillary would make the selection they being pensive. my dream is a boy, just a second, devore. >> -- is that some kind of mythical thing? >> i strike -- >> the thing with the lynyrd skynyrd flames on it. >> when i was a little russian boy, getting back on topic, i had two dreams. one was to be a cosmonaut and her goal was to crush my enemie enemies. what i think they should do in honor of david bowie dying this past year, mr. space odyssey,
they should've given it the powder blue suit, had the orange hair helmet. >> and the zigzags. the lightning bolt. >> thank you. >> i can't say the same. [laughter] >> tom: coming up, is it okay to find your kids? a childish debate when we retur return.
-- the lcl >> -- celebrating the change of leadership in the white house. in the march, the coming days after president trump to groups -- vice president mike pence are among those at the event. >> allow me to make it very clear. we hear you. we see you. we respect you. and we look forward working with you. and yes, we walk, we march, we run, and we look forward with you. >> that's why next week, president donald trump will announce a supreme court nominee who will uphold the god-given liberties enshrined in our constitution in the tradition of the late and great justice
antonin scalia. >> the markets closing its historic week. the dow closing across the coveted 20,000 work on wednesday. british actor john hurt, whose career spans six decades in films, has died. started in films such as "elephant man," battling cancer. he was 77 years old. i am jackie ibanez. back to "red eye." for all your headlines, log on to foxnews.com. you are watching all the make the most powerful navy news, fox news channel. >> tom: want to monitor your child's every movement? now you can. with kiddo. kiddo is aware of all health and wellness device that helps parents keep track of their kids. think of fit bit meets "logans
run". since their updates till everything. for instance, if your child's stress level goes up, you will get an alert on your phone. sadly, you won't tell you the reason they are stressed, but it may have something to do with overprotective parents. [laughter] privacy advocates warned the device could be vulnerable to hacking and you may be signing your children's privacy away to the company that makes kiddo, good parents incorporated. they sounds nice. the hitha, what do you think of this? this takes helicopter hearing parenting to a new level? >> the kid wearing those bracelet in school, you are setting up your kid to be made fun of the rest of your life. basically being the of all jokes. like these guys, i'm sure, you made fun of these. >> are you kidding me? i would flay him alive. >> i'm just wondering. >> i think a wonderful wrist
device would be cool. i would be proud to wear it. >> it really looks goofy. >> it's your secret agent device. >> that sounds like that kid in the playground who got the sticks in the dirt and he has this magical world, but he's watching tv. some of those people grow up fine. >> i bet they do. >> some of them grow handsome. >> and well-adjusted. >> what do you think? you aren't going to stop parents from wanting -- [laughter] >> they want to know where their kids are! >> it really creeps me out. but, you know quick smack i don't know. i'm not a parent. i never will be. i don't think the human race should continue. but this is the trend. it's not about this app, it's about the future, every minute is going to be documented about our lives.
this is a "blackmailer" episode that actually happened. >> but you don't like it. anthony, right now, they don't let their kids out of their sight. you know what i mean? with this, with kiddo, maybe you can let your kiddo go down to the starbucks and get a hot chocolate. >> something like that? i see the opposite, though. this is not for good parents. this is for bad parents. that good parents know where thr kids are. bad parents, i'm sorry to say but casey anthony could have used this. she could have gone out, party, "all right, make it his home. great." but... >> tom: so you are making an argument for the app. if casey anthony had this, perhaps -- no >> tom: >> they were a ton d parents out there. >> still say you are taking care of your kids. >> you can say casey anthony thinks parenting is a problem,
though. >> maybe she's a bad example. >> not the most illuminating. >> don't be so hard on her. >> on who? >> anthony? know. i think we kind of agree. i want to go for the whole trip i i would stick it in my kids nt next. coming up, have time with andy levy and a brand-new episode of the "red eye" podcast is available appeared subscribe on itunes and on fox sports on x
>> tom: welcome back. try to find out what we missed from tvs andy levy over to the "red eye" news desk. >> it's friday, baby. goober gets a trump tattoo on his neck. -- i think that makes you a parent. [laughter] devore, did you call the marines a boy cult? >> no, i called the proud boys a boy cult. >> also, gavin is 46. the oldest you can be to join the marines i believe is 28.
yeah. hitha, you said if you were in trouble you wouldn't count these guys to save you. yeah, your name is p25 >> what does that mean! your name is andy, what does that mean? >> i would encounter those guys to save you. >> because of my former name? >> i just say things. >> i think they are gentlemen. >> when you put it that way, who doesn't love an old-fashioned german? they've got hats, monocle's. >> they aren't going to come over and pick me up and pick me up from a collapsing world. >> they aren't superheroes. [laughter] >> proud boys, not the justice league! >> if you've been with the armed forces, they are strong men and women out there. >> why are you trying to compete with the armed forces? >> they don't spell boys with a
z. devore, i'm with you on the guy with the tattoo. i think saying "thug font" is racist. >> you got for me. i think i'm going to have to go to liberal church and ask for forgiveness. >> i can say anything i want right now, can i? >> i think that's true. >> also, you live in liberal church. >> sure, if you think brooklyn is liberal church. >> pretty much. >> yeah, i know. senate democrats >> senate democrats want to talk to real people. malice, you said there is no pretense that they are going to change these people's views. isn't that a lot of politics? it's not about changing other people's views, it's about convincing them you share or at least empathize with their views quickly >> right despite their name, , the democratic party does not believe in democracy. they believe in an enlightened elite which frankly sometimes is the right choice.
>> [groaning] >> that was john devore having an orgasm. >> know... >> you are a proud boy. devore, you said that you want to teach them about lies. i would go and say the g.o.p. doesn't care about you. >> it's working! so far. it's been a week. give it two weeks. the revolution is coming. >> is a? >> i don't know. he's attacking our avocados. and if he comes for the avocado toast, all hell breaks loose. >> i think the revolution came in november. >> i think you are right and we are screwed. >> -- it really shows the disconnect that's going on in
the democratic party. it's almost like two different parties. >> completely. i don't even think -- that's what happened with the republican party four years ago. if that's what we have to anticipate in 2018 and going up to that 2020, then that's what's going to happen. democrats are going to be establishment, dnc, we are going to have this grassroots, i say because i democrats they aren't connecting. they need that, what is it, the education on how to speak to americans. >> they need to know how to speak to working-class americans. they just realized they existed. they didn't even know they were there. >> [groaning] >> please. >> devore, i don't know how you made it through that whole story without complaining about the term "real americans." >> it's such b.s. it's a party that has spent the past 40 years that party has done nothing but fight waters collect devising, they fought lower
taxes for people in the working class -- >> how crazy. >> right? >> his daughter gabbana glasses are getting all fogged up. >> it's just too much. >> please take that hat off, sir. >> i will take that hat off. >> announces new spacesuits -- that >> i just -- >> do we have that picture of the astronaut in the suit? did mike pence join nasa? >> good for him. >> tom, i know you purposely were kidding about 2,000 "2001" being a spielberg film, but i can't let it go. absolutely. that's not the one. >> are you sure he it wasn't directed by steven
spielberg? >> no, it's stanley kubrick. you said we don't have a spaceship to take us to space. starting next year specifically. that's what they say, 2018. they are like nascar right now. they've got going on a uniform, they got little patches. i like it. hitha, did you see that the person who designed the new spacesuits for "2001" now designs the queen's clothing? >> since 1963. >> are you sure about that? maybe he made it -- i think harry lange designed the spacesuits. >> but he also designed the queens clothes. >> harry lange is dead. oh, is queen the band? [laughter]
some pretty odd things. the kiddo app that monitors your kids. here is the first that's problematic with this. "tell the app about your child under gender, weight." you shouldn't be making gender decisions for your kid there in shame on you, kiddo. am i right, john? >> [laughs] >> um... i'm going to agree with you on one thing. i don't have kids -- >> i hate you. you twisted my words! you are a devil. >> which ones that i twist? >> the ones i misspoke. [laughter] this is basically a fitbit or apple watch for kids, right? what's the big deal. >> sure. >> cumia, you said this is for bad parents, godparents nor their kids are. again, i don't think this is a
tracking device as much as it is a health thing. it measures their temperature. >> sure. just like -- >> that was a tracking device. >> it's convenient. >> you don't have to put money in the tollbooth, and all of a sudden devore is telling divorce court, "yeah, i was there." [laughter] >> that thing is straight up surveillance tech. >> oh, hell yes. >> you need to wrap that thing up in tinfoil. >> i am done. >> tom: thank you, andy. getting buff in the buff. naked workouts are up next.
nations could maybe defeat radical islamic terrorism. >> on friday, president trump welcomed addition prime minister teresa made at the white house. the two talked about the uk deal once she leaves the -- >> -- to make them stronger at home. in the words of president reagan, as a sleeping giant stirrers, so let us renew the relationship that can lead the world toward the promise of freedom and prosperity by those ordinary citizens 240 years ago. speaker new jersey chris chris >> -- prosecutors don't believe they can prove that chris christie neil about lane closures on the george washington bridge. i am jackie ibanez, back to
"red eye." for all your headlines, log on to foxnews.com. you are watching the most powerful name in use. the fox news channel you are watching the most powerful use, name in the news, fox news channel. >> tom: please wipe down the equipment after use. that request has never been more urgent. failure next month, a personal trainer in the uk launched a new exercise class. the hour-long session includes jumping jacks, sit ups, push-ups, and something called partner work. helen smith started the class when she discovered there was nothing else like it that she told a reporter that the main benefit of exercising naked areas you can really see what the instructor is doing in the exercises. you also don't have to think about washing the sweaty gym clothes after the class, and it
is a great way to celebrate the body. i may get in hot water for saying this, but i think it's a kooky idea. hitha, do you think this could take off in the u.s.? >> hell no, unless there's men . >> you would think that a naked class, the guys would go to gawk at the girls. but hitha that girls would go to gawk at the hot guys. >> super, super hot guys. guys would go for threes and wars fours, a girl would need a 10 or over. their gluts look terrible. >> look at the teacher. the teacher is pretty hot, devore. no wonder -- you've got to look
at the body. i think this woman, she likes, you know, getting up in front of folks naked. >> i've been doing this for years. >> what? >> i've been doing this for years. by exercising naked. i exercise naked in my apartment, i exercise in the gym locker room. you know. it helps me open up my body. i'm not ashamed of my body. i'm sleek, i'm a panther. >> wait a minute! for a guy, it's not efficient. guys shouldn't have it hanging out. it's not good for the exercise. >> no, no, no, sir.ve got to le. it's god's pendulum. you've got to let it hang. you've got to let it be free. you've got to breathe through your butt hole. >> michael malice... they are nudist people. they liked being.
it doesn't matter if it's exercised or not, they are exhibitionist. >> i'm the only one in the stage right now who took a long time to get there. >> really? [laughter] >> you don't know, girl. >> i do know and i can tell you better than i can show you. >> we all have abs, michael. we just don't wash our shirts on them. >> i don't wash clothes, i'm not a lady. an immigrant lady. >> oh, my god... >> cardio is a race of time and if you want to exercise you should weather if you're a man or woman you've got more muscle mass sitting on your ass watching tv in the locker room. >> i completely lost what he was going to say. i didn't understand. >> immigrant women are the ones -- >> no, not that. >> that's totally wrong. >> it is good --
>> when you are lifting weights, you are doing both and your muscles are bigger and they burn calories just sitting there. but do you really want in in ad they can gym guy spotting you behind you when you are right there quick smack >> . >> no! >> let's all get naked. >> we are going to give an iq test right after the break. you know, geico can help you save money on your homeowners insurance too? great! geico can help insure our mountain chalet! how long have we been sawing this log? um, one hundred and fourteen years. man i thought my arm would be a lot more jacked by now. i'm not even sure this is real wood. there's no butter in this churn. do my tris look okay? take a closer look at geico. great savings. and a whole lot more.
[laughter] >> i love it. >> see? highly intelligent. michael, what was she saying click click was that russian? because she was saying stuff about the holocaust and how is a good idea. >> it sounded like nonsense tal talk. >> it's nursery rhymes. >> everybody thinks dogs are smarter, the study says not to believe it. >> memory is not equivalent to intelligent. just because -- 20 bees have a good sense of memory. how many iterations does it take for this animal to perform a task you taught it, and by that measure dogs always won. >> you came prepared for the answer. but you are a cap person. you know they are smart. >> jeez. i don't think they are smart, i think we mistake instinctual things that they have done for millennia for intelligence. everything they do is that we go, while back, that's so smart.
it hearkens back to hunting, mating, something like that. and we're like, he loves me. stop. >> you know, devore -- >> i don't like cats. i like dogs. >> wait a minute! you shouldn't even be a liberal. >> i love drunk. you know who never had a dog? double trouble. because he's not a quality human being. >> i'm going to break the tie here. our dogs and cats are equally intelligent? >> i think cats are more intelligence. >> more! >> listen, our family cats saved our cousin from a fire in the house. >> that's weird, your family cap is a proud boy. [laughter] >> i was going to say that my cat is not a proud boy. >> the dog started the fire, too. >> save the food... >> michael made the most sense. it's true that whatever they were testing on this, it's not necessarily intelligence.
i don't see cats and fetching and getting sticks and all those good things. hitha herzog, michael malice, john devore, and anthony cumia. that does it for me, tom shilule. take us away. not a good time, jeanette. even worse. now i'm uncomfortable. but here's the good news, jeanette got quickbooks. send that invoice, jeanette. looks like they viewed it. and, ta-da! paid twice as fast. oh, she's an efficient officiant. way to grow, jeanette. get paid twice as fast. visit quickbooks-dot-com.
hearts we weren't going to kill them. that was training. that kind of training helped prepare them for the treatment that they got. john mccain was tortured. what they did to him in the hanoi hilton and other prisoner of war sites in north vietnam was torture. we've never done that kind of thing. never condoned it. some of our allies may have done it but we department. the bottom line is, when congress made these things illegal, they're going to stay illegal until congress changes it. >> neil: when i hear the president said as he did today in this press conference and that he would defer -- i hope i have the right wording there -- to his defense secretary, what did you make of that? >> well, i make of it -- donald trump became famous for saying "year -- "you're fired." if he doesn't like that the
secretary of defense won't do it -- i know these mean well. i know jim mattis very well. he was not going to issue that kind of order and he has the authority to issue though orders. he's not going to do it. into if the president doesn't like it, he can utter those two famous words that he used on television "you're fired" and find a secretary of defense that will. >> neil: i want your take on how the president described vladimir putin. theresa may teed this up yesterday with the republicans, that, you know, look, almost like ronald reagan did for us, do you think she changed his view of vladimir putin or that she had to? the president kept saying, look, i don't know him, we'll see how things go, could go well, could go poorly. but how do you think it will go? tomorrow they'll have a phone call with each other. how do you see this relationship
going forward? >> well, i see all kinds of relationships are affected by the fact that he's now in the oval office. there's awesome responsibility that comes with this assignment. it's not running for office. it's being in office. what the president is realizing the effect the before him is awesome. those kinds of statements that he can make during a campaign are quite frankly no longer relevant. a lot of people that expected him to i suppose stick with the same kind of rhetoric. clearly he's changed. i've watched this man for five days in office. one of my colleagues said i wonder if he's taking valium? it's clear he's tamed down in terms of his rhetoric. it's important. words do matter in an office of president of the united states. >> neil: i wonder if he mixes it with caffeine. he's been busy. >> this is a whole administration full of
workaholics. >> neil: looks like that. thanks, cornell. >> thanks. >> neil: oliver north. thanks. we ended up the week with a whimper but held over 20,000. our markets are doing just fine here. we've had some surprisingly good earnings news out of technology sector, optimism about how that is going to fare going forward here only financial stocks. all the major averages up. the dow up into record territory. i want to focus on how this fall out of build a wall, who will pay for it, how that hits the peso. it picked out after we learned that the president spoke with an hour, a phone call initiated by president trump, with his counter part in mexico. that maybe just sort of helped the peso out a little bit. their stock market there, dow jones industrial, was down. we have more included the president expected to formally sign that executive order for extreme vetting for refugees.
all of this occurring as he makes his way to the defense department. and the ceremonial swearing in of james mattis. of course, we should say that the general is already the defense secretary. sworn in by vice president pence. this is how important it is to the president that he by ceremony or however you want to define it, wants to one up his number 2 who swore him in himself. more after this. ♪ when you have $7.95 online u.s. equity trades lower than td ameritrade, schwab, and e-trade, you realize the smartest investing idea isn't just what you invest in, but who you invest with.
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focusing on those countries that have a disproportionate number of terror going on. doctor, good having you. what will this mean? does the executive order carry the weight where we can slow down here? what would it do? >> neil, that's a great question. what does it mean. i think we're hearing so much about what it doesn't mean. a lot of exaggeration. the bottom line, he's following through on promises, rationale approa approach, to stop and pause immigration from countries that are havens for jihadists, countries that could hate the west and we start threatening against islamism from somalia, yemen, iraq, et cetera. the pause is 120 days. we might need 180 days. but at that event, we vet
against those that believe in an islamic state. the only criticism, i don't understand why syria was indefinite. we need to message it's not just stopping immigration, it's pausing it so that we can come back to security first and second getting back to america's roots which are welcoming the immigrants that want to be free. >> neil: could be any second. i might interrupt you for the swearing in of james mattis. the defense secretary is on record saying that we have to take the fight to isis. we cannot give any mixed signals. i'm paraphrasing. what do you think his approach to dealing with isis working with this american president? >> we not only have to take it to them but decimate them in syria where they exist, their money. that's the end point of not violent extremism but violent islamism. to decimate isis, you have to take away the inspiration, this
islamic state jihadism. we have to fight over there. we've been extremely absent and catering to the islamic mindset of fear of westernism. so we have to engage in the idealogical war and let the mad dog mattises of the world destroy them on the battled field. >> neil: i'm getting a sense that this is the primary concern, back and forth and russia, back and forth about how we deal with china. but front and center right now is how we take on isis. so he's probably -- that is the president going to want a plan for that. and then an aggressive one. where do you see this going? >> well, i hope we shift the axis of domestic and global approach from violent extremism to violent islamism.
hamas, the muslim brotherhood, al-quaida, they're all part of the same tree, which is this sense of islamist supremacy, the sharia state. part of the legacy groups, et cetera, they're not part of our alleys. they don't share our ideology of freedom. so we have to start to understand that the conveyor belt towards these groups to abandon this whack'em all program, so they're ready and willing to advise them on that. >> neil: i want your take on this sort of change or slight on the part of the president and torture and how he refers to his defense secretary, that he's not in favor of the no torture and he would defer to that view. something that john mccain and others have urged as well. what do you make of that in our fight against isis and
terrorists, whether that's good or bad? >> i think the good cop bad cop discussion between president trump and the generals is very effective. america will not be weak and we won't let our enemies determine what we do to keep our country safe. on the other hand, to be that beacon of freedom and morality. we have to maintain the geneva convention, maintain that air of enlightenment and freedom and the muslims see us asseting the standard globally rather than going to their level. i believe one that believes that we should not do things that ineffective and also not surrender and do things that wouldn't keep us safe. >> neil: all right. thanks, doctor. thanks for taking the time. >> any time. thanks, neil. >> neil: i want to go to colonel schaffer, retired u.s. army
intelligence. tony, we're waiting for this event here, but already on the torture pivot or whatever you want to call it, tony, senators john mccain and lindsey graham have said we're pleased by president trump's statement that he will defer to secretary mattis's view on torture and water boarding. do you agree? >> i agree that torture has not worked by my experience. bill clear on this. i don't think we should be having a discussion regarding torture in public. it's one of those things where i don't believe for a minute we should be doing it. sometimes the implication that we can do it, the fear of that existing is an effective tool by itself. let's face it, psychologically, the fear of something is greater than the actual event. while i agree and look, i said this in my book, we talked about operation dark heart.
you can break someone with psychological tricks if you know what you're doing. i agree with general mattis. i think mr. trump may have gotten some bad advice along the way somewhere. >> neil: as we wait for this to kickoff with the president and defense secretary, what difference does it make in the secretary seems to be held in high regard throughout the establishment. the praises, mutual, but to have for the defense establishment to have one of its own in that job. you're a great military right in your own right. we're used to bureaucrats of late. not across the board but it's been a theme. here we have a retired general for whom we made an allowance, a change to get him to the position he's in now. how important will that be? how effective in this job do you think he will be? >> let me give you more on general mattis. let me tell you, the two things that have really endeared him to
everybody, neal, why you see a reverence for him, his integrity, his honesty. he tells it like it is. he was working with me on a project recently supporting the chairman of the joint chiefs. he was supposed to basically validate something we were doing. neil, he would show up to every meeting. he was there. you know, he would call me. i was by the capitol one day. i get this call. hey, tony, jim mattis. do you have ten minutes for me to give you guidance? oh, yeah. he's that kind of guy. he's very hands on. so what i'm trying to tell you, there's a reason why, neil, that this man is so well-respected. he leads. i think in has been the one missing quality of the civilian side of the pentagon. i'm sorry. ash carter was not leading. he was a bureaucrat. this is where we'll see leadership. >> neil: thanks, colonel. tony shaffer from the pentagon.
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one is a tougher vetting of refugees from problematic regions of the world, terror prone regions of the world. the president will flesh that out in his description of the executive order. whether he says so there or we glean more there is anyone's guess. speaking of the president, we talked about this phone call that he had that he initiated with then't of mexico after the big dust-up yesterday over the wall and whether the mexicans will pay for it. he put a call in. but -- so that might have soothed some feelings a lit bit. the president says a 20% tax on mexico is certainly an option. he just did this interview with the christian broadcasting network. he said this tax is something that could have positive effects and would be much more positive for mexico and the united states. so we're watching this. we're watching these developments. we're getting the read right now.
how much of this might have been buoyed on how this to deal with terror, what to do about water boarding and torture and all that. a lot of this has to do with theresa may in town, the british prime minister who might have played a role akin to maggie thatcher. what do you think? >> i do. the news conference today went very well for theresa may. she's the first world lead tore kind of meet face to face with mr. trump or president trump, i should say. let's face it, an unorthodox, unpredictable person. she got out without any expected headlines. there was a genuine walk between the two leaders and downing street will be happy with how things went. >> neil: they appeared to have gotten along, louise. one thing i noticed, she seemed to say, although the president
did not, that nato has some value and that the president seemed to agree with that. and on torture as well. how do we think this relationship is going? >> it's a two-way street. donald trump used his considerable charm on the prime minister and maybe vice versa. they did seem to get along well. theresa may would say that james mattis, who is about to be sworn in, is one of donald trump's best decisions. the united kingdom has a prohibition against torture. that's not that the c.i.a. and the military wants to see. so trump carrying a big stick but listening to reason. he's getting the best of both words. you saw a lot of future cooperation, the groundwork was laid in that speech. but for theresa may to get her big win, she was able to say, mr. president, you said you were 100% behind nato. that's what she gets to take
home today. >> neil: now, it's what happens and what he says after that, right? sometimes he can clarify a position. he was never anti-nato. just the way the structure is that had to be examined. where do you see this and the role of this relationship going forward? >> with the united kingdom, it will go fine. i think the statements he's made on nato, i do think he will pull back a little bit. i was interested when he was pushed on the issue of torture, he side-stepped it and said well, it's up to defense secretary mathis. i rely on him. he has the experience and expertise. i'll take his recommendations. very smart, like a politics the way he side-stepped that. overall, louise is right. the headlines in the british media late this afternoon is that donald trump is 100% behind nato. he shook a few trees when he
said that perhaps nato was out of date and needed updating and people needed to contribute more. make no mistake, there are things that theresa may and donald trump don't agree on. the iran deal, i think. the torture for sure. and nato possibly and sanctions on russia. i thought it was clever they didn't talk about the russian sanctions issue before the news conference today. they saved that for after. >> neil: they did dance around a couple things. louise, this is an area -- real quickly. they could talk soon here -- where europe seems to like the idea of america first, right? american might reasserting itself or saving the europeans of that burden. seemed to be a welcome development. >> and the british, you know, neil, have greeted trump that other people need to do their fair share. where is france, where is
turkey? >> neil: all right. mike pence and james mattis at the pentagon. >> good afternoon. mr. president, chairman members of the joint chiefs of staff, leadership of the department of defense, men and women of our armed forces. distinguished guests. thank you for being here today for the ceremonial swearing in of general james mattis as the 26th secretary of defense of the united states of america. it is a high honor for me to be with you here today. you look around this room, we stand in a place of honor.
the hall of heros. the names of 3,498 american patriots are inscribed on these walls. each of these performed personal acts of valor above and beyond the call of duty and received the medal of honor as a consequence. it's humbling for us to be among their names. and to be with all of you. secretary mattis is soon to mark his 50th anniversary in the service of this country. during more than four decades in uniform, secretary mattis commanded marines. he led an infantry battalion in iraq in 1991, an expeditionary
brigade. secretary mattis commanded u.s. joint forces command nato supreme allied command for tr s transformati transformation. he commanded over 200,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen, coast guardsmen and marines across the middle east. now mr. secretary, your president has called you to lead all of the armed forces of the united states. he and i have the highest faith in your judgment and your courage and your dedication to this nation. so on behalf of president trump, it is my great privilege to issue the oath of office. if you would place your left hand on the bible. raise your right hand. repeat after me. i james norman mattis do
solemnly swear that i will support and defend the constitution of the united states, against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that i will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that i take this obligation freely, and without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that i will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which i am about to enter, so help me god. congratulations. >> thank you. [applause]
>> thank you, mr. vice president and mr. president. thank you very much for your confidence in me and welcome to the headquarters of your military, your always loyal military where america's awesome determination to defend ourself is on full display. i would tell you that you've made clear, mr. president, your commitment to a strong national defense and the americans honored in this hall remind us of our strength as a nation of patriots. on behalf of your department, i want you to know that after more than a decade of war, our longest war, those serving today have been tested and you can count on us all the way. we're grateful for you to be here, show your respect for us on a day when former secretary of defense, bill cohen, former secretaries are here. it's a reminder that this department stands in perpetuity as the defender, the sentinels
and the guardians of the nation. thank you for your confidence in me, mr. president. >> total confidence. thank you very much. [applause] >> that's total confidence. believe me. i'd like to first congratulate general james mattis, now secretary mattis. secretary mattis has devoted his life to serving his country. he's a man of honor, a man of devotion and a man of total action. he likes action. he is the right man at the right time and he will do us all very, very proud. i'm honored to stand here today among so many patriots. you are the backbone of this country. you are the spirit of this nation in every sense. the men and women of the united states military are the greatest
force for justice and peace and goodness that have ever walked the face of this earth. your legacy exists everywhere in the world today where people are more free, more prosperous and more secure because of the united states of america. you have earned and ensured for our children the glorious right of freedom bestowed on us by god. we stand today in the hall of heros, great heros, a testament to the undying courage of those who wear our nation's uniform and who have received the highest distinction, the medal of honor. this is a sacred hall that all of our nation lives between these walls. these walls tell the story of
those intrepid americans that gave everything, risked everything and fought with everything they had to save their fellow warriors and warriors they are, believe me. warriors they are and to save our wondrous liberties and to save this god-blessed land. they shed their blood and poured out the love from their hearts to protect our home. we are in awe of their valor, tremendous valor, and we pledge our dedication to every single family serving our country and our flag. that is why today i am signing two executive actions to ensure the sacrifices of our military, are supported by the actions of our government. they will always be supported by
the actions of our government. believe me. first i'm signing an executive action to begin a great rebuilding of the armed services of the united states. developing a plan for new planes, new ships, new resources and new tools for our men and women in uniform. i'm very proud to be doing that. [applause] as we prepare our budget request for congress, and i think congress is going to be very happy to see it, our military strength will be questioned by no one but neither will our dedication to peace. we do want peace. secondly, i'm established new vetting measures to keep radical
islamic terrorists out of the united states of america. we don't want them here. we want to ensure that we are not admitting into our country the very threats our soldiers are fighting overseas. we only want to admit those into our country who will support our country and love deeply our people. we will never forget the lessons of 9-11, nor the heros that lost their lives at the pentagon. they were the best of us. we will honor them not only with our words, but with our actions. that's what we're doing today. i am privileged to be here with you, and i promise that our administration will always have your back. we will always be with you. i just want to thank you very much. [applause]
i want to just extend a very special congratulations to a great man, and that's secretary mattis. i think he's going to lead us so brilliantly. he's a tremendous soldier, always has been. he's a general's general. every general that i spoke to, they just -- i won't say that they all said he's our favorite, but they did. he's our favorite. he's a special, special man. so i want to bless him and god bless you and god bless america. secretary mattis, i have no doubt you're going to do an outstanding job. thanks very much for accepting this responsibility. thank you. [applause]
>> this is the protection of the nation from foreign terrorist entry to the united states. we all know what that means. protection of the nation from foreign terrorists entry into the united states. and i want to thank everybody. many great heros, great warriors. we have tremendous respect for you all. thank you for being here. [applause]
chairman michael mccall with us right now. these latest orders are -- what do you -- the rebuilding of the armed services i can see. what will cause some controversy among some, what does he mean by extreme vetting of refugees? what changes now versus before he signed that order? >> it's a safer day for americans with one stroke of the pen. he closed off more terror pathways than the past eight years under president obama. this is nothing really new. it's something that mayor rudy guliani and i briefed the president on during the campaign. each extreme medium though that was produced, judge mukasey. it talks about the high threat overseas and ramping up the vetting process to make sure we don't have any more san bernardinos in this country, orlandos. all these areas where people come in to the united states and
perpetrate terror attacks. i applaud the president for doing this. also, one thing that i don't think he mentioned will suspend the refugee program in particular, the syrian refugee program indefinitely. that's a very significant campaign promise that he's followed through with today. i just talked to general kelly before this interview about this executive order. and i will be working with the secretary in the congress to help implement these executive orders. >> does it mean, chairman, that if you have or you come from a country with a lot of tearist incidents that we would go slow on allowing you to come here or is it just -- you know, terror hot beds? >> these are basically seven terror hotspot countries will be denied every visa, every application will be suspended
for 30 days until the dni and the secretary of homeland security can sit down with the fbi as well to determine, you know, this vetting process as to who are we letting into this country. we have seen in the past, we haven't even used social media to determine who we're letting into this country. countries like iran, iraq, sudan, libya, yemen. they all have a very high level of isis figures present in those countries. they could potentially get into our country through the visa process. so i think this will strengthen our homeland security and i really applaud the president for what he's doing. >> neil: chairman, as you know, there's a back and forth and some tension between ourselves and the mexican government over this wall that the president wants to build. insists the mexicans will pay for it. he made a call himself to the
mexican president today, spoke upwards of an hour. don't know what the results of the call was. to try maybe to make nice, i don't know how you'd describe it. in a later interview with christian broadcasting, said i'm still for the tax, some sort of tariff without calling it a tariff on goods coming in from mexico to pay for this things. are you open to that? you think that is doable? >> you know, we're looking at creative ways to pay for this. we will have a border emergency spending bill in the congress coming up in the next couple months. i'll be working with secretary kelly on what the wall will look like, aviation technology assets. on the front end, we'll appropriate the dollars out of congress. on the back end, we're looking at some creative ideas like the border, adjustable tax rate. right now we tax experts but not
imports. >> neil: i hear the 20% figure come up or something like that. >> it's a bit arbitrary. it's a little early to be -- we're looking at all sorts of ideas in the congress. again, right now, we currently tax experts and not imports and punish american manufacturers. very consistent with the trump administration theme here to protect america first. we're looking at this awed of paul ryan, looking at it, in terms of a revenue enhancer that would bring the number of i was told, about a trillion dollar investment in the united states. so if that is a way the president can say mexico helps pay for the wall, that may not be a bad idea. >> neil: thanks, chairman, michael mccall out of austin. the read on that and what to make of this, the president sort
of retargets our border and tries to make sure that we're safe, lieutenant colonel tony shaffer back with us and colonel mcguinness. the wall is going up. it's a serious wall and its happening. the president is throwing a lot of ideas out there, border tax, a host of other ways to technically have the mexicans pay for it. we would kind of pay that, the american consumers would, but i guess the devil's in the details. what do you think of that, that this is the best way to go about it? >> well, the president just following through on a campaign promise. he's going to defend this country. obviously includes building a wall in his opinion, raising thousands of border agents and getting serious about those that try to come into this country, especially as the chairman said moments ago from seven countries that are known to produce islam mist terrorists.
so i think the president is just following through with all of these things that long ago he promised. he's credible. he sounded i think proud to be there, something that we haven't heard in awhile quite frankly and standing there in the hall of heros with 3,500 names etched in the wall behind him sends a very clear and a warming message to those of us that work in the building and those of us across the world that seek and reinforcement, the strengthening and america first. >> neil: tony, one of the things he talked about is reinforcing the border, whether the mexicans pay for it or we do, it's going to happen. what do you want to see? people talk about a physical wall. some say that's not feasible across the entire border. someone that looks after our security, worried about it, what would you like to see? >> militarily, as patton said, you know, these obstacles are not adequate without other
things. so the concept is good but you have to do intelligence preparation, the battle space. you have to look at this in depth. the mexicans have been terrible about not just allowing mexicans across the border. many refugees are from honduras, any other latin america countries. they're just coming through. we have to look at how to create a defense in depth and to include then stopping terrorists and other folks being able to penetrate the border. this is what has been horrific the past administration has handled that. it's not about wall. it's about building multiple concepts and looking at using intelligence where you think people are building up to come across. you have to look apartment counter drug, tunnels. i'd like to base this on john kelly taking over dhs, another military man, a marine. we'll see more complex thinking, much like who was produced when the border was conceived about
five years ago. >> neil: switching gears a little bit, robert. vladimir putin's name came up today at the press conference with theresa may, the british prime minister and the president once again said what he said before. i don't know vladimir putin. i hope that i can get along. i don't know if i'll like him or disliking him. but we'll see. how do you think that's going along? seemed like the day before with republicans gathering in philadelphia for their retreat, that the british prime minister was saying kind of a new version of, all right, that's fine, trust by verify. play off the old ronald reagan line. are you in that camp? >> i'm very concerned about the russians. they have increased their capability across the board. vladimir putin is just the tip of the iceberg. most of the russian people support him. the attitude that comes through in their media and to the american public i think from
vladimir putin is indicative of what they feel. they have very strong ambitions. they want a restoration of what they had one time prior to the end of the cold war. putin has made no pretense about that. he wants that. we've seen expansion of their capabilities in places like syria, which is indicative of their foreign policy. they're pushing hard in the baltics and of course in the ukraine. so across the world, russia is a threat. i hope president trump can negotiate with mr. putin and find some sort of reconciliation so that we're not so confrontational. make no secret about it, the russians are a threat and we need to deal with them appropriately, but i would be very hesitant about taking the first step. let them make that. >> neil: we know about a phone call tomorrow between pvladimir putin and see how that goes. we know from theresa may that
the president still stands by nato. he didn't say that. she did, that he said that. i don't know what the true case is. how do you feel that is going along and how you feel europe is reacting or whether easing up now on it's initial concerns about the president? >> look, i know for a fact that nike flynn has had discussions on what i call nato 2.0. we were quiet -- we talked about this a little bit. there's a group of us quietly working to advise the chairman of the joint chiefs, a guy name james mattis was the validater. we've been looking at this for a while. one of the recommendations we made before this came up, let's look at how we can make 24th centu century relevant. i mentioned this to mr. trump in august. they were thinking, how do we make nato relevant. i'd like to believe what you saw is an outgrowth of donald
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the storm. >> we're doing whatever we can to help. >> shepard: let's get to it. good friday afternoon from the fox news deck. we're tracking hurricane irma. florida's governor says the window to escape the path of the storm is closing. with each updated forecast, the chance of a direct hit on some part of south florida and then up the peninsula of florida are increasing. this as the head of fema says i don't know anybody in florida has experienced what we're about to get. the florida says we should expect life threatening conditions from coast-to-coast. he says this is a catastrophic storm like our state has never seen. over 500,000 people there from mandatory evacuation orders, including miami, miami beach, the keys. rick scott telling people to be
patient when dealing with crowded highways. he says more troopers are on the road to help with the flow of the traffic. he says the state has sent school buses to get residents out of dangerous areas. some gas stations have long lines. others have no fuel at all. governor scott says the entire state, more than 20 million people should be ready to leave, if necessary. >> this storm is wider than our entire state. it's expected to cause major and life threatening impacts from coast-to-coast. remember hurricane andrew is one of the worst storms in the history of florida. irma is more devastating on its current path. >> shepard: irma has left a trail of destruction in the caribbean. the death toll is 23. thousands of others homeless. the storm battering the turks and caicos islands this morning with waves as high as 20 feet across that island. thousands of tourists trapped on
the virgin islands in st. bart and st. maarten. witnesses saw the damage first hand. the storm destroyed homes, schools and businesses. it ripped rooftops off of houses as families huddled inside. a television station said i feel like i'm on the moon. there's not a single tree standing anymore. forecasters say the storm is extremely dangerous. maximum sustained winds are at 155 miles an hour down from 185 at the peak. still a powerful category four hurricane. the winds are widespread, extending 70 miles from the center. if it goes up the center of the state, hurricane force winds could be felt by everybody in the peninsula. we know by know whichever way
peninsula of florida is dealing with this storm, probably experiencing hurricane force winds. it's a danger. we have covered these. the center does make an impact at least for the worst of the storm surge. but that also gives the indication that the others don't need to worry. that's not the case. everybody probably for the lower past of florida will experience major hurricane force winds, which will blow all kinds of trees down, all kinds of power outages across a wide swath. this is the radar. right there, over towards the bahamas. we've seen the bands get closer and closer. a couple things, the latest advisory that just came out at 2:00. it's not the complete advisory but the intermediate ones. they raised the winds. they've been at 150. the pressure has come down. >> they're bad signs that we could she a strengthening storm. it's also though moving a little more to the west instead of to the northwest. that may be has some implications for us. here's the official track. most of south carolina out of
major hurricane on hands. >> shepard: thanks, rick. many people obeyed the order to get out of miami beach. you don't have to do what you don't want to do. the mayor in at least one city says they're getting out. you can see homes and businesses boarded up. sidewalks and streets empty. some people will try to ride it out. team coverage continues. phil keating on miami beach where there's no traffic on a friday morning. it's a stunner. >> it's crazy. it's a ghost town here. i have tragic news to report before we show you around. we have the first hurricane irma related fatality. a davey florida man fell 15 feet to his death from a ladder while trying to install hurricane shutters. here on ocean drive, everything pretty much is closed. boarded up, shuttered up. world famous news cafe where johnny versace used to hang
outs. this is wet willie's. boarded up. that's what you see in all the buildings. this is all about storm surge and keeping flood waters out. the storm surge forecast is 5-10 feet. all of this will undoubtedly be under water. there's been a smatteders of people that have come down to take in the emptiness of it all, flying drones and driving by with cameras rolling. while hundreds of thousands have evacuated to the north, including many miami beach residents, some still as the clock is ticking refuse to leave. >> i work in the fire department. i have to be at work sunday anyways, if i can make it to work. i'm nervous but focused. >> because my building, we have electricity and we'll be safe. yeah, i don't know.
i have no idea. this will be my first hurricane. i don't have idea. >> you sure picked a good one. >> yeah. >> as of about 8 minutes ago, the last plane outside of miami international airport took off heading northbound. we expect over the next several days perhaps longer depending on the destruction, no more inbound planes will be coming either. >> thanks, phil. and the mayor has ordered 650,000 people to evacuate. the mayor will join us live to tell us how they're preparing for a catastrophic storm. that's coming up from the fox news deck on this friday afternoon. prudential asked these couples: how much money do you think you'll need in retirement? then we found out how many years that money would last them. how long do you think we'll keep -- oooooohhh! you stopped! you're gonna leave me back here at year 9? how did this happen? it turned out, a lot of people fell short,
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i used to work at news 6 in orlando and had some of the best reporting days of my life. i know their coverage will be invaluable for viewers. we look forward to shows casing their correspondents. traffic is nightmarish. the governor says traffic is not supposed to be pleasant. get in it, live through it and have plenty of gas and get to safety and hopefully come back to a home. don't wait to evacuate. that's the specific warning from the mayor of miami-dade county. he expanded the evacuation orders to include 650,000 people in miami-dade. country's biggest -- the county's biggest evacuation ever. we have the mayor here with us. good afternoon. how is detthe evacuation going? >> for the most part, smooth.
like any big event like that, we've had some hiccups. we're fixing those as we go on. some information was given out about shelters we were about to open. they weren't open yet. people started showing up. we weren't ready to receive them. we're taking care of those issues and expanding the number of shelters that we'll have here in miami-dade county the a capacity of over 100,000 people, which is unheard of. when you doing something way out of the boundaries of what you plan for, you're bound to have a couple of hiccups. all and all, it's gone well. >> shepard: great to hear. what is your thinking on what percentage of your population is doing as you're asking them to do? >> a large percentage of the population is leaving. but we're seeing people that are not in the evacuation zones that are leaving or trying to find some other shelter because maybe they went through andrew and
maybe they think their home won't be able to sustain a category four or five hurricane. that's different than other storms we've had here. most people hunker down and ride it out. this is different. we're seeing that dynamic play out here. >> shepard: what is working well and what is giving you troubles? >> i think our response plan as well, we're prepared for the storm, prepared for the aftermath of the storm. right now, it's the issue of an unprecedented number of people going into our shelters. we've asked miami-dade county residents to help each other and take those folks that are evacuating from a mandatory evacuation zone. i think in terms of traffic, it's somewhat better than i thought it would be at this point. yeah, i know human nature and people tend to wait to the last
minute. maybe it's not come this way and do at the last minute, maybe a shelter or take off in a car. we have to be prepared for that. the police department is prepared for that events. it's a big job. county of 2.7 million people. you know, there's a lot of working parts here that have to go smoothly. >> thanks, mayor. all the best to you and all those in south florida. thanks for taking the time with us. >> it's my pleasure. thanks very much. let's hope this storm veers off and goes somewhere else. >> shepard: we're sure hoping. >> into the atlantic and just fizzles out. >> shepard: out to sea. leave us alone. carlos jimenez. i want to show you the traffic helicopter again. this is about a mile south of ocala. the trees have blocked it as
fate would have it. we've been watching the southbound lines. we saw tractor trailers headed south. there's still supplies getting down to south florida. it's raining. nothing to do with the storms. that means it's a little after 3:00 in central florida.
minutes ago and said can you go live? i say heck yeah. we're busy right now. the air force reserve, we're just crushing it. we're making it happen. >> shepard: what are you learn something. >> you can see, this is an extremely powerful storm. it's going to be the benchmark storm for the next decade. katrina, as you well know and i know first hand, it's been a benchmark for the long time but now looks like irma will be the replacement for it. >> shepard: for me as far as destruction, there was hurricane hugo in the carolinas. that just snapped millions of trees and turned them to projectiles. and then hurricane andrew. with the very tight eye and small area that it crossed. when it went through cutler ridge, homestead, levelled everything. but it wasn't that big around. this thing though, it's got a little bit of everything to
hate. >> yeah, it does. it's a massive storm. the big thing here, everybody listening right now, just really pay attention to the authorities and civil defense. don't take this storm lightly. i rode out andrew in louisiana when it came across the gulf as it hit florida and wiped those guys out. don't get complacent. the other thing is don't have this false sense of security. just because you made it through andrew, no big deal. that is -- the level is there for andrew, it's higher for irma. heed the warnings. >> shepard: we talk about how successful the evacuation has been. it has been. if 10% of the people you asked to evacuate don't leave, that leaves tens of thousands of people behind on that coast. that is frightening. >> that is frightening. our guys and gals in the hurricane hunters and the emergency responders are working
hard to help people. it's really important that everybody leaves. if we can save everybody, that's awesome. >> shepard: lieutenant colonel cross, have you seen anything at all that would suggest outside of a overrun of the mountains in cuba, anything that might make it diminish in size. >> we don't really get in forecasting. it's been over open water. you can see the eye. it's really tight. almost like a textbook example of the most powerful hurricane. really incredible. there's things out there that will interact with it, but i can't say whether or not i think there's anything that will effect it. >> shepard: lieutenant colonel sean cross, all the best. thanks a lot. >> good luck to everybody. >> shepard: thank you. people getting out by land, air and by sea.
a lot of boats. cruise ships that just dropped people off in miami and now they had to scramble. some are going to shelters. and then people leaving by boat. >> yes, some people on cruise ships came back early. they weren't able to get out of miami. so one cruise ship, norwegian -- >> do you have a live map of cruise ships? >> yes. you can see this big empty space where the hurricane is and all of these tanker ships. the reds are tankers and the blue are passenger ships. pinks are the pleasure yachts. this one, the norwegian escape, which is an appropriate name, they said they were going west. they have about 4,000 passengers on board that couldn't get out of miami. they said we don't know when we'll be back or where we're going. looks like they're going to mexico. the captain said get on board. we'll get you to safety. we don't know when we'll bring
you back. >> shepard: interesting. mexico has the storm on the southeastern coast. >> yeah. they're going in this area. >> shepard: cancun. >> yeah. some ships are just headed to safety. >> shepard: think of the logistics, getting the people out, the planes and then return everyone when it's over. thanks. ahead, the latest on the evacuation efforts. we'll get an update from the miami area and up the coast. first, a look at the hurricane from the international space station. 250 miles above earth. cuba on the left there and irma on the right. right behind irma is jose. and by the way, jose now category four. and non-24 can make me show up too early... or too late. or make me feel like i'm not really "there."
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hundreds of thousands of them on the move. hitting the road as hurricane irma heads their general direction. traffic going north is in some places above the lake a nightmare. a reporter with the palm beach post newspaper says the drive that normally takes two hours took him eight hours. at 1:30 a.m. that's traffic northbound. that's traffic southbound obviously. top speed on florida's turnpike at that time, 1:30 a.m., 5 miles an hour. the line to get into a rest stop for gas, at least a half mile. the reporter says families driving minivans and u-hauls and rvs packed with as much as they could hold. gas stations are out of gas in many stations. this is a fairly familiar scene. people trying to fill sand bags and board up their homes and board up their homes and businesses before getting out, going to a shelter or trying to ride out the storm system where.
steve harrigan is one to do that he's in miami shores in south florida. hello, steve. >> shepard, a little wind kicking up. gusts 20 miles an hour. more and more, it's getting to be like a ghost town, a different mood here. people are afraid. people who have been here, been through a lot of hurricanes, they're afraid. they're afraid of what they've seen. the death toll 23 and continuing to rise. just the devastation on so many islands in the caribbean. complete destruction. it has people here afraid. when you talk to them, listen to them, you can see the fear in their faces, eyes and jaws. shepard? >> shepard: i heard mayor jimenez said they had some crowdiness in the shelters. >> many are filling up,
especially shelters that take pets. a real concern for people. a woman across the street from me says i have three dogs. the shelters were the pets are full. you have a tough choice. do you get on highway and go 5 miles for 24 hours or stay put in a home that could be destroyed? miami-dade has more than 40 shelters and house 100,000 people and already filling up, shepard. >> shepard: steve harrigan, miami shores. thanks. on the coast -- i should say on the coast just north of miami, the mayor of ft. lauderdale says his city is ready for hurricane irma. parts of broward county under evacuation orders. major jack siler is on the phone with us. good afternoon. >> thanks, shep. >> shepard: how are things around ft. lauderdale? >> we're ready. gearing up for three or four days now, this is one of the biggest and baddest storms across the atlantic in a long
time. we've been ready. started evacuations on the barrier island and most people are compliant with it. the issues you're talking about with miami shores, same issues up here in ft. lauderdale. i just had to open a second shelter for pet owners because the one shelter that was for owners with pets and their pets filled up already. they opened a second one west of ft. lauderdale. >> shepard: i know a lot of young people, some not so young say i don't want to go. i'm on the 20th floor. i'll be fine. have you made an impression on the seniors? >> we've made an impression through an active campaign. our public of affairs staff has done a lot of work. what has made a bigger impression, watching your tv storm and when they see a picture of the storm, it makes a heck of an impression.
it's big and broad and we're very concerned about these storms surges. that's the major factor here in ft. lauderdale. we feel we can handle the rain, we can handle the winds. the storm surge could create a problem for people on a barrier island. you might be on the 20th floor. if your first floor elevator stops working and fills up with water and all of a sudden, the electrical and the utilities go out, i'm not sure what good it is if you can't get in and out of the building. we're making sure they're educated so it's not just about where you are, it's about first responders getting in and out and it's about the residents getting in and out. >> shepard: i was wondering about your flood areas. i realize on the beach along and over to u.s. 1, is that all a major flood area? >> not all of u.s. 1 east. we have low-lying areas. you know ft. lauderdale well.
we have close to 200 miles of waterways and our nickname is the venice of america. we have a lot of low-lying areas east of federal highway, predominantly the barrier island. other areas east of federal highway are higher ground and we're not watching them as closely as the low-lying areas as we've been dealing with for the seasonal high tides. remember, this time of year, our seasonal high tides are none as king tides. you tie that in with a full moon, tie that in with an east wind and a storm surge, the recipe is there to have flooding in those low-lying areas. >> shepard: had it skirted the way they talked about, you would have had a real, real wind problem. i wonder if the vast majority isn't going to be surge and flooding as far north as you are. >> i agree with you, shep. i think a couple days ago we were focused on the wind factor.
that has shifted. now we're looking at a storm surge of 5-10 feet. they can change depending on the precipitation with the storm. our real fear right now is the storm surge. every time it takes a jog one way or the other, the storm surge alters itself a foot or two. and also the timing. if it continues to slow down and comes in with a high tide, that's a bigger problem than if it comes in under a low tide. these are all things that mother nature just playing games with our preparations. look, we're ready. we've been doing this 100 plus years in ft. lauderdale. we feel we're ready. >> i believe you. mayor jack siler. hope to see you soon. >> thanks, shep. >> shepard: folks in volusia county, up the coast, which includes daytona beach, east of orlando, ordering evacuations for people in high risk areas.
that's set to go in effect 5:00 east florida time. the order includes beaches, low-lying areas and mobile homes. again, that's the daytona beach area. volusia county. officials say shelters will open there tomorrow morning. if you're in volusia or brevard or any counties along the coast, your local stations in orlando will have all the specifics for you, this map shows when forecasters at the national hurricane center expect not hurricane force winds, this is when they think the tropical storm force winds will hit different areas of florida. so just around the keys tomorrow morning around sunrise, in the lower keys. by 8:00 around everglades city and then be 8:00 tomorrow night, everything south of the lake from the lake okeechobee south should have at least tropical storm force winds. that's from coast-to-coast. so lee county, collier county, down into the keys, miami-dade, broward and the palm beaches all
with tropical storm force winds by 8:00 tomorrow saturday night. then by sunday morning, tropical storm force winds are well north of tampa approaching the orlando area. and then by sunday at 8:00 p.m., day after tomorrow night, by 8:00, the entire peninsula all the way over to tallahassee, almost to panama city beach area, tropical storm force winds have now reached the entire state of florida. speaking of daytona beach, the home of the 500 and a great spring break back in the day, rick leventhal is there. what a ghost town. that's nuts, rick. >> yeah, it's pretty quiet here on north beach street. most of the businesses have boarded up, they're closed. some of them have decorated the fly wood on the front of the stores. not clear how many people are heeding the mandatory evacuation order. county officials say if you're going to get out, get out by 5:00. if not, you should pack your
stuff and shelter in place or go to one of the 21 shelters that will open tomorrow morning. we have seen people boarding up in the low-lying areas, boarding up their homes, boarding up their businesses. major sandbagging going on, including south daytona beach where we were earlier today. there were 21 truck loads of sand delivered to the one location. they were backing it up as quick as it could be delivered. people were taking up to 25 bags each. some of them were helping each other out. not just helping family and friends but helping strangers as well. >> this morning, got off work. filled up sand bags for my grandfather. all kinds of people helping. just kind of helping the community. >> today was the last day for sandbags. if they don't have them by now, they won't get them. >> thanks, rick. while thousands in florida try to get out of irma's way, power crews from across the nation are
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up from canada. officials in florida say they expect millions of people to lose power for weeks if not longer in some areas. trace gallagher has this news. how do they organize these power crews from everywhere? >> most of the power crews, shep, will be arriving in florida some time today and mobilize in lake city, florida, which is in columbia county near the georgia border. that is considered inland county and thought to be well-protected. separately, florida power and light has set up 22 staging areas across the state. thousands of fpl crews and the crews from visiting states will be disbursed to the areas with the greatest needs. if you consider that 90% of florida power and light's customers live or work in coastal areas, which are more exposed to high winds and storm surge, you get a better idea of why they are predicting that millions of people will be without power for several weeks. most of the power crews from
other states have agreed to stay for at least 30 days, if longer, if needed, shep. >> shepard: trace, many of these out-of-state power company workers have helped with hurricane repairs over and over. >> they have. and florida would draw from southern states. but many of those are in texas. which is why florida requested crews from canada, michigan and other states. there's crews from indiana that have helped turn the power back on in florida after every hurricane since andrew. florida power and light has a mutual aid agreement with some companies like pacific gas and electric in can can and one pg&e worker says he can help. >> shepard: thanks, trace. officials in miami say they don't have time to move more than 20 construction cranes that
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people sit along the beach. there's a restaurant and watch big planes land. they have sunset beach bar it's called. dutch officials tweeted this picture out. they say they're getting the airport back up and running. it's a high priority for delivery of supplies to get the economy back moving. so far it's not yet. this is a house in puerto rico. didn't get a direct hit there. the owner says starting a generator. a million people lost power there. this is st. thomas and the u.s. virgin islands, this is system to the mass. flooding there from hurricane irma. the damage there is nothing short of catastrophic. more than 20 construction cranes that tower over miami aren't no coming down because of the hurricane. that's from city officials. people that live nearby are told to leave their homes. the deal is it can take two
weeks to dismantle them and get them on the ground. now it's too late. can't tie them down. the cranes way 20 to 30,000 pounds each. city officials say they can withstand gusts up to 145 miles an hour. hurricane coverage continues after this. patrick woke up with back pain.
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