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this is the interview news live from berlin our documentary series doc film is up next with a look at the growing number of people here in germany who own guns i'm brian thomas for the entire news team thanks so much for being here we'll see you again next. week. it's. the adventures of the famous naturalist and explorer. to sing the praises clicks on the phone while its 250th birthday. barging on a voyage of discovery. expedition voyage on t.w.a. . i never thought i'd find myself doing something like this my name's by gosh steinbrenner and i'm a reporter but today i'm a freedom fighter and my mission is to take the enemy's base. and with some 500 comrades in arms all armed to the teeth at a formal military base near knocked about. with their covering fire shoot this is. compulsory military service ended in germany in 2011 but more and more people are getting into john's. what is a weapon like this do to you and to me that's what i want to find out as much. of course we aren't using lethal weapons these are air soft guns looking credibly real and cost around a $1000.00 euros each. they only fire small plastic bottles. but it still hurts. i got it as my 1st one more and i'm out. of all of them to all the other popular shooting games include laser tag and paint ball the bullets are still quite high velocity which is why we all wear goggles and you can't play until you're 18. the demand is huge here in marked about alone the number of players has increased 10 fold since 2013. everybody seems to know what to do apart from me i'm a complete novice. notion i'm actually pretty stupid here but it's not something that comes naturally to me i'm a civilian at heart. military service wasn't for me i refused and did civilian service instead and then i presented a kid show. that is a journalist now of course i'm curious where does his new love of guns come from. ok ok can we take a short break here. some muscle group the crazy monkeys does this alone as it would equate what excites you why do you like it you just don't know you with your car also for sure but it's all about strategy it's just great friends this is not playing toward you. it's really hard to say. you know we don't want war. ok the weapons look real well you shouldn't just run across the road with one 0 it is example that's why we're in an enclosed space here you should only play with your guns here we comply with very strict rules if we didn't they'd be no game . so cops and robbers for grownups ok got it but what's it like to carry a real gun i designed to visit i 9 funds police academy to find out. if you're ready and wait for your signal. this is target practice for juliana my she's 20 and in her 2nd year as a police training. she's using her future service weapon and of course live ammunition. it takes 3 years to become a qualified police officer. thanks . off 5 off and. while that's still pretty lousy business you can still the deal is now you know you're right. and so how do you feel when you're practicing are you nervous for an offer that as a chairman last of that well you know it's a practice situation but you still get an internal in russia and you do get nervous i'm always nervous when i'm here but you also learn to respect the gun ok i was good try but the weapon is also part of your job isn't it that it's jobs it's just that i know of course it gives you security and you have a weapon to use if you have to. ask have you ever had a situation where you had to use your gun and most of the thing was. i was once in a situation i was just one step away from using guns you stand there you're full of adrenaline trembling pumped full of adrenaline and then of course it's difficult to just aim at the arms and legs so she isn't the 1st visit that means when you're actually a doctor or so right as an extra an extremely tense situation with what's going on inside you. you get tunnel vision with but you don't notice what's happening around you. it's a really crazy stressful situation. to prepare officers for situations like this recruits receive legal and ethical training in addition to weapons handling. the task today is to disassemble and reassemble the weapon using only a practice pistol of course. affect. the band 1st a 1000000000. dollars go outside into some handling training. again with practice weapons and no ammunition. when you're facing straight ahead you should always know where your weapon. is pointing without looking where is your pepper spray where is a billy club we'll start with a got. the gun and take up a firing position. i've already been shot. that's what. so you got your pepper spray put your thumb in their holder like a gun put your thumb in there it was ok or not you press it. you can be trained to handle a weapon still i couldn't imagine using a real gun in an emergency. so i thought. that is what. i and most people in germany today find carrying a gun unthinkable but what was it like before when there were no gun laws. today i'm on my way to school to find out all has the only museum in europe for handguns. guns have been manufactured here in the thuringian forest since the middle ages in the museum you can see many firearms made by local gunsmiths its real craftsmanship then industrialization made guns more affordable and they can be found in almost every household. journalist and gun expert lars being closed off knows all about germany's relationship with these weapons. what is the most common god some people took part at revolvers with them on long journeys most of them every village had a police entry but seeing a police patrol on the road as we do today was very uncommon it's. ok it's nails like iron and rust cost but what else did you have with you this is a classic gun and. cyclists. to have some of them can be bought a successor bicycle shop sat by the others were sold together with bicycles who would have shot that's what they're supposed to chase dogs away they didn't take kindly to the newly developed bicycle of the sort of revolver was part of your cycle kit at the time like pumps are repaired tools are today. it was a very different times like. but after the world war defeats and the peace movement of the 1980 s. guns largely disappeared from our everyday lives peaceful germany i always imagined it to be so but is that still true. the message that it's the number suggests there's a revival of god it's like hunting licenses where's that come from china why qantas doesn't interest has increased because people feel they need the extra security events are exploited by the media like new year's eve in cologne they've also contributed to this. that's the legal side what's the situation on the illegal side is that growing too so and it was torn about it to put off it this is a water p.-p. the typical police pistol from the last war tens of thousands of these have been traded on the black markets and prizes the risen just has to come so i could buy one relatively easily from the black market sure. legal guns have only been registered nationally since 2013 there are 6000000 registered in germany and experts think there are at least 10000000 illegal guns left unregistered some even say up to 30000000. how easy is it for me to get a firearm in germany. i have an appointment with helmet i don't mean. in a ring a bell. out of you but hello mr adam a i'm here to have a little look around. for the helmet is a 6th generation gunsmith in his workshop he mainly makes high precision hunting weapons he makes all the barrels breeches and chambers here. fine rifling all grooves inside the barrel stabilize the trajectory of the bullets. helmets exclusive craft. and ship is sold all over the world some of his weapons cost as much as $19000.00 euros. to do it go ahead take it. yes it's not loaded. heavy one like this trick in between one or 4 years that's called it always depends on the finish just 100 so you're now. clear then as in that explains the price. so under what conditions could i buy a gun do i need. to buy a gun for me you'd need a hunting license and then you could even buy long guns anything your heart desires to get ok if i'm not a hunter or a shooter and i don't have a hunting license or i only have an id card could i get 20 just after dinner if you're over 18 and i assume you are. you could buy an air rifle up to 7.5 jewels you could buy a blank or a gas gun just makes this one photograph of ok can i see what good is sure over here we've got some blank firing guns out here. because it often looks pretty real to me. walter payne 229 millimeter caliber p.a. . let me say that there you go. it's heavy isn't it still feels like a real gun but. really is a gun it's not it's a gun there's no looks like a gun too so maybe it's doing its job to scare someone you know and stick up seconds of the ok my wife won't even let me touch the kitchen knives or. put this in here yet that's the way they always do it. now. but back when you're unloading always. it's lucasfilm you're going to laugh at my hands are actually a bit sweaty. this is really the 1st time i've had a thing like this in my hands. and i try to out actually firing on them and compare we can do that ok got to be demure here come around the corner with me and put on your ear protectors or place it in good health so it'll be loud back i'll take the magazine and load it to my cartridges and the other way around. that we're going to need you know that the magazine in the gun would always keep the barrel down. load. the carriage back and forth once she's going to shoot. up the safety zone. shall i reload it so that i'm broke it would have over time you already know it you know shoot. good heavens. it's bound to you as though you're still to win there. you know. good you're going to shoot again 6. this really is something else. this thing is so loud and although i know it's firing blanks honestly i have a lot of respect for it despite that. i can carry my pistol with me unless the safety catches on to carry small arms within reach you need a small gun license which is becoming more and more popular the number of small license holders has more than doubled since 2013 with a huge increase since 2015. so i know i've got my blank gun neatly packed so i can carry it with me but just to remind you anyone over 18 can buy something like this. but anyone who buys a gun illegally isn't interested in the law. in germany a one year weapons amnesty ended in mid twenty's 18 illegal guns could be handed over to the police with impunity here at the bomb disposal center in boston where they are collected and destroyed. with as little as a machine gun and in for most heavy machine gun. you can tell that from the sound when it's fired but this is our comes out once we put it through the incinerator. will tell what it was. the guns are burned to separate the words and other materials from the steel anything left ends up in the smelter. legal guns were also surrendered during the amnesty in germany they're only allowed with the firearms ownership license and have them on you within reach you need a license to carry. most guns in germany are owned by hunters 417. 1000 hunters are listed in the gun register there are also 376000 recreational shooters and 97000 people who inherited guns but who's prepared to hand i mean. there's the classic case of a deceased grandfather who was a hunter or a sports shooter and now the weapons legally. of course there are also illegal weapons and decorative weapons that people hang over the fireplace or something. but i would say there's been a considerable process of rethinking since they've been in school shooting. people said actually we want guns out of the house after all these are things that people can be shot dead with. here in boston verdun back alone the amnesty brought in about 14000 guns more than 5000 of them unregistered although most guns now get melted down not all of them go straight to the incinerator. somersaulted and sent to the criminal police in stuttgart focus from the firearms records service has hundreds of pistols revolvers and rifles that gun seized journal wide range of investigations. he uses them to reconstruct the chronology of events. and they were either illegal property or murder weapons. there's a lot here. the guns 1st go to the evidence room next door that's just i mean that's one of the weapons that was handed in during the amnesty. now we have to fire it. ok because he may have been used in a crime correct. yeah so this is our firing room. here right over the water tank. i think that's right. the water ensures that the markings left on the bullet by the barrel are not changed. today we're shooting a water k. and i suspect it will be loud. that. we're going to fire 3 shots. the bullet shoots half a metre through the water and is collected from the bottom of the tank. and. now you can see the markings of the surface of the barrel. if you look at this under a microscope you can often see fine structures that come from the barrel and by comparing them with other projectiles you can often identify them. and died 25 the gun use that sensational. the federal criminal police send them to us and we compare them with our store of munitions used in criminal cases. so i brought myself a gun that doesn't need it's a blank is it really harmless you can try. this watermelon will make a great test subject. here protectors are. ok it's come. then descended to ft when you see how deep the shot is despite the melon being relatively hard. i wouldn't want to blank out my head. shots are still dangerous so you should mess around with only. if possible ok kind they're definitely not toys. so owning a gun is a big responsibility who's actually suitable. dietmar is professor of forensic psychology in payment and a police profiler he thinks he knows how people work especially those who are interested in guns. i'm a teacher you see a lot of people showing interest very different people as a fascination but how can you tell if someone would be responsible for that when you can't of course you have to do appropriate research would you come in here you can see that certain people groups of people are attracted to weapons knives pistols revolvers they're fascinated but the reasons can be very different. and that's what you have to find out. did ma has co-develop to suitability test for this purpose young gun buyers have to take it as do adult gun owners who have stood out for some reason. content of us in contact with firearms. not done for. mental ask about knives 1st talk about that middle. market knives yes the pocket knife is a knife i brought one if you have got one more thing. because. i always carry it in my. case. why do you need a pocket knife. just like cheese off at a picnic picnic you slice cheese him publicly every day so there's a bottle opener in a multi-tool to. be tied to this is a dangerous object and and deadly weapon that you're carrying around with you see the driver think about that if it is i wouldn't use it against people of course at all likely against salami or cheese. is insane are you aware of the law allowed to carry a knife under when not honestly. and that's the impression i get just tell me if any of these sentences apply to you when i'm angry i don't miss my words yes if i was on a lot of things wrong in my life. i sometimes feel like others are laughing at me while i hope others laugh at me even if someone is unusually kind to me i get suspicious. if i get yelled at or yell back could happen here i was tortured animals. and everything worms or anything you know me yes but you could just stomp on them. much much sometimes i imagine what a just punishment would be for those who treat me badly. seriously considered suicide and i know we never 9 now haven't got to know pre-adolescent crisis ok one last question i sometimes spread rumors about people i don't like. but when he was nice he wasn't like myself on tens and i want to take a little break and then i'll be sweating. we'll talk again after i've done an evaluation of these aptitude tests have been done on tens of thousands of people including criminals and gun owners with no criminal record for the evaluation these results are compared with my answers. yeah it's been taken see i've done your going your way should look at that in terms of gun laws you would be absolutely harmless. but it's. we quite often hear people say that they feel a certain fascination with weapons or the technology behind a lot of the craftsmanship and so on but this doesn't mean that they want to be violent or use the weapon. you know. those who have a more depressive paranoid saturday me against the world they all want something from me i don't fit into this world so they become socially isolated withdrawn socially they represent the greatest threat to the flight not the people who are maybe fascinated by things like guns maybe even have an erotic relationship with guns with which we would ask about it but they're not a source of great danger because of the. having passed the test i now feel ready to finally shoot a real guy i am allowed to do this with the german rifle association an offshoot of the american profile rahm's pressure group the national rifle association. safety briefing from shooting instructor on about who we start with a magnet. that night before. you. know the other hand then you can. kick my fingers or sweaty again if you really notice something happen there it's a weapon stop us. it gets worse the eof 15 semiautomatic rifle. shotgun that's a whole different. insert the cartridge drop back at. the winchester defender is a pump action shotgun. for word back and forward again now there's another one of the breech. still too high ok. anyone can take part in all of his trial courses the german rifle association has 16000 members and they consider the german too strict like in the us they want weapons for almost everyone. if og is what about a pensioner who lives in her apartment think can't run away or defenders off with martial arts and. what about handicapped people who are women who are very attacked. maybe a fear just shown a gun the attacker would have backed off it's. up less. people who want to buy a gun for self protection in germany are often refused a license they have to prove that their own lives are more at risk than those of the rest of society this applies for example to employees of cash in transit companies or security personnel but would private firearms really make our society safer a counter-example is australia where semiautomatic rifles were banned in 1996 since then the number of deaths from shooting every year has harped suicides using firearms have also dropped to less than a 3rd. but i have to admit one thing. although i don't think gun should be freely available here in a shooting range it's pretty cool. why did i find shooting fun i'm going to find out of a university hospital in an hour undergo a test by dr nick head of psychosomatic. when i would have i don't have a real gun in my hand so is it anything like reality. from what we know of course the mechanics are somewhat different but it seems the brain responds in exactly the same way for a simulation and a real situation. i'm curious so i'll take off anything metallic that are inserted labels as from or set up over here. to find out what happens in my head when i shoot i take an m.r.i. scan. with a joystick in my hand and a screen above me i have to shoot as many opponents as possible. klaus observes how my brain reacts. and indeed every time i hit an opponent the reward system is activated at the same time the part of the brain responsible for empathy is switched off. so could shooting games numb your real senses. in them and if you shoot people in these games again and again that's i mean it's a 2000000 times a year and suppress your emotions to do so and maybe even get a reward stimulus. that can also influence your long term behavior. by a person can. i found the game in the simulator rather boring so i was all the more surprised by the results of the experiment. as a service shooting stimulates the reward system in our brains i can imagine that but the idea that our emotions like empathy are dampened at the same time i find questionable but then. how do our neighbors in switzerland see it the swiss are known to be peace loving folk but at the same time they are not afraid of guns today there are about $32.00 guns both legal and illegal ones per $100.00 inhabitants in all straight it's 30 whereas in germany it's just 20 so it's a completely different gun culture. you can also see this. at the 0. the city's oldest fire one weekend a year everything here revolves around shooting organizer cloudy oh get explains it to me. is that a good that's a cipher that you can get on a tram in switzerland openly carrying an assault rifle is that really the case and is it illegal is that it is that this leak out it's legal. and it happens. it's becoming increasingly rare because most retail going to car now but in principle an assault rifle camry taken into a public space where you feel a little more guns. about $5000.00 young people between $13.17 compete against each other in the shooting contest including 14 year old he asked by cancer people to be competing in a canal been shiism since the 17th century when it marked the end of the unloved summer military drill exercises girls have also been allowed to take part since 1991 children as young as 8 can take part at another range next door. here at the 25 meter range kid shoot with an air rifle and pistol all crossbow. it's jasper's turn and around a corner gives the briefing he's been looking after the young shooters for 50 years . of the use the swiss army's assault rifle. so let's get started. there you go load the rifle there. right this. game then slowly or don't fiddle with the trigger. they're forced to run a pressure point they will call. the target is 300 meters away shooting is down lying down for better control because a stray bullet can fly up to 4 kilometers there's a lot of competition. the shooting king wins $5000.00 francs and up to 5 shots it's all over sadly yes but didn't do well enough this year. oh no upper left more on their own right so in the middle would have been 6. when you asked for joins the army in a few years he'll even be allowed to take his rifle home with him if that's what and mark seems like that rifle really packs a punch that i feel like it's a real gun and with a real bulletin it is but that if people beat them that's not iowa because it's the canard machine isn't so it's normal. since i've always known it like that this kind of thought ok so it's nothing special for you but that is why you can win something once a year that's cool ok best of luck no. is. it is no coincidence that william tell is the national hero of switzerland but shooting also has a long tradition in germany the oldest shooting clubs here have been around for several 100 years. shooting sports are especially popular in bavaria and lower saxony in eastern germany the figure is significantly lower shooting was forbidden in the g.d. are. visiting the ect cell shooting club in hessen where 14 year old calin is training with around 1400000 members the german shooting federation is one of the largest german sports associations kalin where stiff shooting close to give her a more stable posture. unlike in switzerland young people here shoot only with the air rifles. there's a special reason why catalin took up this hobby 2 years ago she was struggling with her concentration and her mother had the idea to register with the rifle club she'd heard that shooting can have a therapeutic effect and boost attention span since then carolyn has been training at least twice a week the 2 hour session not only includes shooting but also progressive muscle relaxation. so much and you still remember what you were lying 2 years ago the vast adama's how well i was still very young focused and didn't have that much stamina and stuff. on both k. and what happens with how do you feel now compared to then and i've become much better at school i'm getting much better grades and can definitely concentrate well in plants. and you'd say that it's related to those forces on. what next you've been to the history and championships you're going to be a star here with that as a sure enough and i definitely want to my next goal is the german championships next year. catalan sporting performance is impressive but i would probably look for a different form of therapy for my children. last stop on my journey in brandenburg here there's plenty of forest game and of course hunters the people with the most weapons in germany who actually use them. by a company 26 year old forester venter. can't wait to see that. the. safety catches on. it's a. little sticky m.-o. in my bag. when we load when we're in position and that's ok but is it. so have it once we're in the words we won't be able to talk so let me ask you now when you're just about to shoot how do you feel to find food. and bond i'm relaxed you feel nervous when you're still very inexperienced. i was still a bit shaky with the 1st animals i killed. but it happens to every hunter no matter what kind of animal you kill. the 1st is always something special. vinda de vos when you have a gun in your hand and know or hope the next shot will be fatal do you feel some sort of power to demand a food. you don't know their weapon is for me a tool of my profession just like a chainsaw it has nothing to do with power or anything. i just need to know exactly how to use this tool safely but doesn't hide all the shows ok. to partake in care only when you're lazy like me most people get used to the gun eventually there are more hunters today than ever before and among them more and more women are the brunt of bird forestry department specifies which animals can be shot animals that have been hit or are sick and also have to be shot a good hunter aims at the heart and lungs so the animals don't suffer for long. practices regularly on the shooting range hunting licenses must be renewed after 3 years. and await trial we play cards. you know chad and watch us smoke and saturn in my forty's. and so we wait. and wait. and wait i'm actually hoping we don't see anything when a is a suddenly becomes restless. why don't you tell straight over. inquiry because you give the animal chance to lose its life in peace. that's. ok. that's ok with her best if it notices there is an enemy near it gets an adrenaline rush in the final moments and it stresses the animal out and we don't want that. as we walk over to the d.m. my knees are pretty shaky it's the 1st time i've seen a weapon used to kill anything. yeah. i mean. i. mean high in a shot was just right the dead died instantly. as long it's you know we drag it back we don't want to do anything right here. lift the back no just come forward and we can drag it back so. you can hold it lower. i don't like the head dragging as if that's not so terrible we don't want anything from the head it'll be dog food. that's where is your so happy because she hasn't been fed today and they are short of i have heard next. of. the animal must be gutted immediately to prevent bacteria from settling on the meat during the decomposition process with hunting shooting still maintains its original function killing. me kyla knows what she's doing and has a sense of responsibility that goes for everyone i've met on my trip but unfortunately a lot of people don't seem to have those standards. and that's why and this is now clearer to me than ever before guns don't belong in the hands of anybody. heard. them slowly. lose. sure of. what unites. what divides. the. driving force. what binds the content together. answers and stories aplenty. spotlight on people. in the minutes on w. . luxury in the mirror humans are exploited and animals clearly slaughtered big brands have committed to fair working conditions and sustainable production but who is monitoring the subcontractors and investigative documentary goes to cali and china close behind the glamorous facades of fashion house a luxury behind the murray starts nov 5th on d w. t a france 0 antone and here's a scene when your mother was born in 1969 the wall was already 8 years old and you know my grandchildren were born after the wall fell born in a dream in the final. 3 generations one family on a journey through a recent. german history. churchill number 6 on t.w. .

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