the sa november when the president made an attempt to reach out to the republicans. but before that there was not a lot of effort of the administration reaching out to the other side. as much of that on the substance, the alternative scenario i would like to run is what would have happened if the president embraced that from the beginning and spent the first six months of the year working in a concerted discipline, focused way, to get simpson bowls to be consensus it may not have worked because of where the republicans are, but he let weeks and months pass, and the president did not put a serious budget out, and got zero votes in the united states senate, and the senate did not pass a budget this year. democrats do not have clean
meltdown, a economic armageddon, if we don t take care of this. absolutely true. and there s a reason the white house won t do a short term deal. they don t want it coming up in the presidential election. about the i think people watching this see that idea as another piecemeal short term, we can t solve the bigger problem. bill daily was on meet the press yesterday, and he is still blaming boehner for the impasse. he says the debt negotiations has caused enormous damage to the united states. if you look at the rating agencies what they have said, what they have said is the reason they question our economy right now and the reason we may get downgraded is because they don t have faith this political system of ours can deal in a serious way with the deficit. so the president is intent on
responsible. joining the table right now, morning joe economic analysts, steve ratiner. how many checks does the government write per year? $1 billion, and that doesn t include the defense department. if we said let s not pay this or that, it s not clear they have any way to implement that. they never had to do this before. it s not like as you were saying before, we will just print out social security checks for people on the east of the mississippi. we re in unchartered waters here. you have a whole school of people saying we should pay the debt first, which is 40% of our budget, and that would mean cutting off all the social security people, and so not to
damn the torpedoes. full steam ahead. when grover norquist says this, there is your canary in the gold mine. we haven t mentioned, by the way, some of the details of these proposals. if you have $2.5 trillion in savings over ten years in this one democratic proposal, a trillion of that assumes the end of both the wars in iraq and afghanistan. which right now is a big assumption. big assumption. huge. a lot of fuddy-duddy math. still not getting serious. i went away from fuzzy. all fuzzied up? is that like, fuddy-duddy? yes. moving beyond the 2000 election. so all right. you know are you surprised they don t have a deal today? because i actually, really i mean, i really thought i would be shocked if they don t have a deal in the next two or three days.
ought to take it. bill daly was on meet the press yesterday. he s still blaming speaker boehner for the impasse. he said the debt ceiling negotiations have already caused enormous damage to the united states. if you look at the rating agencies what they ve said, what they ve said is, the reason they question our economy right now and the reason we may get downgraded, because they don t have faith that this political system of ours can deal in a serious way with the deficit. so the president is intents on making sure and all of the congressional leaders, senator mcconnell, speaker boehner, senator reid, congresswoman nancy pelosi all set the debt ceiling would be extended, but it must be extended in a way that gets the economy through 2013 and not a short-term gimmick where we re right back in this fix in six or eight months. and you know what s troubling to me is, the white house obvio