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Role in public just basically saying what he said. mike pence has been in the house. he could help navigate that, but he doesnt want to get out in front of the president and so hes really sort of this third wheel in the room, fourth wheel in the room. >> john avalon, thank you so much. next hour, lawyers for paul manafort will be in court for the first time since mueller detailed why he accused the former trump campaign chairman of lying to him. we are also expecting trumps former national secur...