York city. Where we are just hours away from former president donald j trumps third criminal arraignment in just four months. Tomorrow afternoon, at four pm eastern he is expected to appear in person at a federal court in washington d. C. , where he will enter a plea to charges that he conspired to overturn the 2020 president ial election. Tonight dawn forsman is preparing, setting up barricades outside the courthouse. Of course, on tuesday a grand jury indicted trump on four separate felony counts, including conspiracy to defraud the United States of america. Today trumps lawyer gave another preview of what could be a possible defense that the Indictment Strikes at the former president right for free speech. This is the first time that the First Amendment has been criminalized. This indictment is criminalizing conduct not speech . Its criminalizing speech for this reason, what the president saw in the 2020 election was all these irregularities going on, he had the right to comment on
Good evening once again. I am stephanie ruhle, live from Msnbc Headquarters here in New York City where we are just hours away from former president Donald Trumps third criminal arraignment in just four months. Tomorrow afternoon, at four pm eastern. He is expected to appear in person at a federal court in washington d. C. Where he will enter a plea to charges that he conspired to overturn the 2020 president ial election. Tonight, Law Enforcement is preparing setting up barricades outside of the courthouse. Of course, on tuesday a grand jury indicted trump on four separate felony counts. Including Conspiracy To Defraud the United States of america. Today, trumps lawyer gave another preview of what could be a possible defense. That the Indictment Strikes at the former president s right to free speech. This is the first time that the First Amendment has been criminalized. This indictment is criminalizing conduct, not speech. Its criminalizing speech for this reason. With the president s
donald trump where they ve gone to a grand jury, substantial evidence has been amassed. and then mere allegations. which is what you see here from republicans on capitol hill against joe biden. you know, there is one investigation about the haven of classified documents, that is going on, by special counsel into joe biden, and we will see how that one ends up. we don t know how it will end up. but, there is no criminal case going atul against joe biden, alleging corrupt business practices that simply does not exist. which is why we need to keep reminding our audience, however, if that would be the case we would cover it, but there is nothing to cover at this point, because there are no charges
point, i ve been hearing it in the past few days from trump supporters and apologize, this idea that donald trump was simply exercising his first amendment right to free speech. we all have a right to free speech, but there are limits to those things. when it and up in illegal conduct. if you and i get together and plot to rob a bank, is that exercising free speech? no! it is a criminal conspiracy if we enter into an agreement to violate the law. pressuring state officials to subvert the vote. organizing fake slates of electors. pressuring mike pence to overturn the election. all of these things are illegal conspiracies. yes they involve speech, but it is not simply the exercise of free speech that we enjoy when we stand on the street corner and talk about which political candidate we support. kyle, earlier today i heard lindsey graham on television attacking the judge presiding over this case, saying that she absolutely hates donald trump.
continues to meet and push forward, but at the same time, a big part of that picking those six particular coconspirators could be about neutralizing donald s trump s counsel, because if he says i was relying on the advice on my lawyers they can say that is because you were in league with those lawyers to do these crimes. so, there s a strategic reason to pick these six coconspirators but they could be conceivably charged and soon. barb, tonight former attorney general bill barr, trump s attorney general was asked if he spoke to jack smith or the investigators. i want to share what he said. i m not going to get into that. could he eventually be a witness at this trial, much like mike pence? i think it is very likely he won t be a witness in the trial, we saw this testimony during the january six committee hearings, and in this indictment. he is cited as one example of the reasons donald trump william barr told him he had not seen any widespread fraud that could change the elec