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deplorables moment. you look at donald trump and particularly at working poor white vote, and people who probably have the most to lose from him, very strongly voted in his direction. now do you explain the difference between those times of outcomes you are describing. how people can intelligently perceive their ownself-interests and the way people -- their own self-interests. >> part of this is a stew of racists. jesse: insulting half the country is un-american. half tn forbid hill -- heaven foar --heaven forbid hillary lot because of her policies. ironic that a woman who lied about her race claiming she is native american to get into harvard is calling millions of
broadcast coverage of trump has been 89% negative. in contrast 8 years ago in the coverage of president trump -- of president obama's first 100 days. one of the men fighting back is dadan scovino. >> when the media is not telling the truth regarding president trump and the administration, the steam, all the infighting going on, that's all i ever hear about. 85% of it is false it's fake news. hashtag fake news. we watch that from inside in the west wing and we laugh. we literally laugh because it's not true.
i'm not going to say none of it is true, but i would say 85% -- we'll get to the 85% trending on twitter. 85% is not true. it's fake news. jesse: how would you say the media is covering the president so far? >> there are certain outlets fair to the president such as fox news. am i going to get a violation for perverting fox news. when you speak you are afraid to say anything when you are working for the government. jesse: do you think because the president's twitter account is driving the liberals crazy, does that mean it's working? >> yes. any staffer that works at the white house. all their twitter accounts is driving the liberals insane. jesse: when liberals say the president has to stop tweeting so much, what do you say about that.
>> let trump be trump. let him deliver his message to the american people unfiltered. jesse: social media controversial under trump. >> i don't look at it as controversial. he's delivering his message to the american people web's delivering his message to 100 million people on all his platforms. he's in the white house today because of social media. it's what won him the white house. and he will just keep tweeting and delivering his message to the american people. i have known the president since i was 16 years old in high school. caddie for him. worked in the bag room. i get the rap for being the caddie who runs the social media campaign. but people tend to forget certain individuals who for 15 years prior i had a professional career.
jesse: when did you first realize how powerful the president's twitter account was? >> pretty much immediately. it was always powerful. he always delivered a message with millions of followers. i would say within the first week. jesse: when you are with the president, how does he tweet? does he do it with his own fingers? how does that work? >> top secret information. president trump does tweet on his own. with his own fingers and send it. he will dictate to me when we are on the road. but verbatim they are his words. everything you see on his twitter account @realdonaldtrumpis his. we like to say bing.
that's 100% him in the evenings and mornings. jesse: you are not there at 4:00 a.m. when he's tweeting. >> i'm not there but i get alerts on my phone. jesse: what do you think the president's most infamous treats were the last two or three years? >> there are serve that stand out. the most infamous tweet i would have to go with the taco bowl. jes. jesse: mine is happy new year to all my enemies and those who fought me and lost so badly they don't know what to do. i have one small request. could president trump follow jesse watters on twitter? >> i'll see him in the white house in a few minutes and we'll see what happens.
i can't say yes for him. jesse: very good job. jesse: dan is a man of his word. president trump now following jesse watters on twitter. thank you very much. the book that has the clinton campaign freak out, ex prosing what really happened during the campaign. rick perry, the new secretary of energy sit down for his first interview exclusively with "watters world." jesse: you had rough word for donald trump during the campaign. any message for . .. . . . . . . . . .
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out hope for north carolina and pennsylvania and other states. when they started seeing those falling, there was a call placed by the white house to inside the peninsula hotel in new york where clinton and her aides huddled. there was pressure the white house to concede. and there was a debate in the room. there were some aides who wanted to carry this on to the next day to see if some votes would come in eventually. jesse: at what point in the night were the calls coming in from the white house for clinton to concede. >> there was one call by president obama and another by his top political aide urging them to concede that night. they did not want to drag this out until morning. they wanted a smooth transition. so secretary clinton asked for a phone, she said let me call him. she says the words she never
thought she would say, congratulations, donald. jesse: she dragged that out after blasting trump for saying he wouldn't abide by the result of the election immediately afterwards. there is also a juicy nugget and i commend this book it's a well-written book about in 2008 after she lost, she goes back and she actually digs in and spies on old emails from her former campaign after. is that actually true? >> she wanted a postmortem done on how she lost the campaign it was unexpected. this was part of a long autopsy where she called in aides and advisers in that summer to find out what went wrong. she also asked a couple of aides to go through emails and see who was leaking to whom. jesse: pretty shocking.
>> the big story line of 2016 was email and she couldn't escape that cloud of email. jesse: this book of yours is causing so much conner nation within the clinton world. according to the "new york post" page 6 she is trying to find the leakers, because someone must have leaked some of this stuff to you. she is worried about leaks now which is ironic. judging by the tone of the book about hillary, it seems like she is having a hard time throughout the campaign coming to grips with the country. i want to put up some words on the screen here. here is a quote from hillary. i don't understand what's happening with the country. i can't get my arms around it. that really sums up a lot of the clinton campaign. wouldn't you agree? >> it seems like they were struggling with that. they saw the rights of populism,
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we love a clean earth. and "watters world" supports the earth. dennis miller has a thing he does. ezekiel digs a hole and hold a candle in the hole to judge the temperature off of. millennials are very concerned about their future. 59% worry how their actions affect the planet. do. but do they even know why? what is day? do you worship mother earth? >> yes. jesse: how did you get here. >> we had one of our friend drive us. jesse: you drove? jesse: there is litter on day. are we going to let that sit
there? >> no. jesse: let's pick it up. no littering on day. what do you think is a bigger threat to the united states. climate change or terrorism. >> climate change. >> climate change at the moment. >> i would go with climate change. jesse: a lot more people died because of terrorism. >> i'm not a people person. jesse: over the last 15 years how much has the's temperature increased. >> it's caused by god bringing judgment. jesse: how much do you think the earth has warmed the last 15 years. >> 3.75 degrees. >> 100 and something degrees. jesse: then we would be cooking on the sidewalk. .11.
i thought there was global warming. what happened? how are you personally helping the environment? >> i recycle and drive an efficient car. >> i don't litter. jesse: you are like al gore. he was the vice president, the big green guy. jesse watters fox news, how are you? >> i don't like ambush journalism. why don't you come on the show. are you embarrassed about climate gate? >> i'm not doing an interview right now. jesse: do you stand to make any money from cap and trade? jesse: al gore won't talk but energy secretary rick perry will. north korea threatening to turn the u.s. to ashes.
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saying the strike on the uss carl vinson it would be an example of its military force. president trump ordered it them to sail the waters off the peninsula. this comes after north koreans have detained an american in the countrys a a to help starving citizens >> i worked in the coal mines 37 years. a man who wants to working finds work in a coal mine. they are said and done with coal. nobody will be able to afford to live. we all work for a living down here. it's like work kicked to the side. i mean, makes you feel like a piece of dirt, it's what it makes me feel like. jesse: that was one of west virginia's coal miners who president trump promised to put back to work. earlier this week i had the honor of sitting down with rick perry for his first interview since becoming secretary of
energy. well come to "watters world." >> i made it. jesse: the regulations you were con frojts when you came on board. tell me about those what you have done to loosen the reins and let capitalism flow. >> the governor of the 123th largest economy in the woorltd. if tough free people from overtaxation, overregulation and have a skilled workforce, they will you are in i and they will come to where that occurs. that's what donald trump wants to see for america. he wants to see predicts built. he wants to cut taxes so people get to keep more of what they work for. and it's not rocket science. it just takes the political will. the previous administration wanted to regulate. they felt like washington centric regulation would be the
key to putting their world vine to place. donald trump doesn't believe in that. he believes in a world view where people get to keep more of what they work for. free people from overregulation. that's not to say he's not for keeping the environment safe. he's not for making sure that america and her citizens are economically sounds and this country safe. absolutely. but he knows it can happen, and it will happen when you free americans from overtaxation and overregulation. >> is the wash on coal over? >> it is from the trump administration standpoints. i'm sure there are some who don't share our world view that will say coal is a bad thing. i think they are becoming myopic when it comes to allowing inowe vision. just like there was a peek oil ideology back 15 years ago.
we found all the fossil fuel. but because of innovation, we found out there is a lot of fuels there that we'll have the ability to use. jesse: when you were in texas as a governor, texas had a lot of the wind power. is that something the trump administration is looking to generate as well? >> the trump administration is for all of the above. we'll let the market drive from where that comes from and how it's done. states will play a significant role. jesse: what would you tell al gore who says global warming is a crisis and you guys are doing all these things? >> i don't argue the climate is change and i don't argue mainls having an impact on it. but you can't have economic growth and clean up your environment. they have a world view that you have got to get rid of coal and move away from fossil fuels and
it all has to be renewables. we are supporters of remewables. the president is for the all of the above strategy. al gore and i probably disagree government has all the answers. that government regulations -- globally we are now seeing this leveling off of our emissions, co2, and america and china are the countries that have led that charge. so we are making some good progress here. we happen to believe that you can't have jobs -- 12th largest economy in the world, i'm talking about texas here. we saw economic growth, wealth creation, quality of life increasing at the same time to clean up the air.
it can happen. it is happening. and, you know, i hope our friends around the world will join us in that. there is probably some lessons they can learn from the united states. jesse: you were put into the national security council, is that because the department of energy oversees the nuclear programs. >> there is probably a lot of reasons the secretary of energy needs to be sitting at that table when decisions are made. there are myriad tent kalts that go deep and broad out of the department of energy that affect the security our country. jesse: you during the campaign had rough words for donald trump back then. >> donald trump's candidacy is a cancer on conservatism and it must be clearly diagnosed, exielsd, and discarded. >> donald trump does not have the character, nor does he have
the temperament to be the commander-in-chief. that incendiary rhetoric you hear out of donald trump whether it's the immigrants population or our veterans point's unacceptable. jesse: now you are in the cabinet. any question about republicans becoming united? >> i'm a big believer that our vision is the right vision for america. i said some harsh things about the president. he's a very forgiving man, and he's proven that. but we are on a team. i hope all people who share this vision that america strong economically, that we can use our energy resources will recognize that we may not get everything we want. as a governor, one of the things learned. i would rather have a half a
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inside? michael malice has been there. and the author of "dear reared." you were there a few years back. you were inside a bookstore in north korea. what did you learn from being inside a store like that? >> when you are in a book store the on books there are written by or about kim jong-un and his father. these are the only people who exist in their mythology. regular human beings don't matter. jesse: no selection just books about the leader and books written by the leader. you were a computer lab. do they have the internet? >> they have the intranet. most people in the country don't have electricity. but increasingly they are
getting memory sticks from the south in china and finding out what's going on in the rest of the world. jesse: do they get beat weren't sticks afterwards? you were in a hospital. how is the healthcare? >> during the 90s, kim jong-il refused aid so they saw the return of polio. they boast doctors donate their skin for skin grafts, and people donate parts of their own body to help their countrymen. jesse: are there con accumulator systems there? >> they had sun beds. someone there and there were computers in the hall, but they weren't plugged in. you would walk into the labs and people are look in their microscopes. if you are work and people walk
in you will glance up. jesse: these are props for you. >> whenever you go to north korea you are given a guided tour of the nation. but everything in north korea has something wrong with it. there is a crack in every wall. jesse: everything is decaying and they can't afford to maintain it? is that the deal, because they don't have enough many? >> the mobby is going toward the military and keeping the regime in power. jesse: what was your interaction with the people like? did you engage with them? >> i got in their face and waved because i knew their resks would be sincere. what people need to understand is they are quote normal people. grandmas deeght over their grandchildren. and the teenaged girls giggle. they are trying to have a human
life in the most inhumane country in earth. jesse: some people say when you even gang with people in north korea you are dealing with actors. >> we saw elementary school class out in the parks and all the kids were look over their shoulders at us genuinely curious. these weren't child across toirs. jesse: when you look at the newspaper over there, what does it say on the front page of the newspaper. >> there is only one airline. they would give you the newspaper, but the paper is three years old. by the doesn't matter because it has the same headline. the monotony is a subtle form of brainwashing to keep the people
caring only about their leaders. jesse: we make jokes about fake news here but that's real fake news. >> they are taught that we start the korean war. when they learn that kim il-sung started the war, it's analogous to you and i discovering the u.s. bombed the japanese at pearl harbor. ugh! heartburn! no one burns on my watch! try alka seltzer heartburn relief chews. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmmmm...amazing. i have heartburn. alka seltzer heartburn relief chews. enjoy the relief.
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i just needed to own it. at least he owned it. joining me now former nfl quarterback. these guys win championships and get to go to the white house no matter who is president. what's the mindset of the player? did politics get involved? >> unfortunately politics get involved. remember the goalie for the boston bruins decided he didn't want to go to the white house with president obama there. i scold him on the radio. i always say no matter who is occupying the white house. it's not his house or our house. it's the house of the people. you should go there and be like gronk. don't wander around crashing
press conferences. >> can i just -- i think i got this. but thank you. maybe. all right. thanks, i'll see you in a minute. that was cool. >> i love that. he's apolitical. but he had fun at the white house. that's what it should be. it should be an experience most of us never had because we didn't win championships. so it's unfortunate that it has become as political as it is. jesse: also speaking of patriots tide ends. former tight end for the patriots aaron hernandez, he was convicted of an execution-style killing. on trial for aa double homicide.
acquitted, but then found dead in his jail cell. i guess it's suicide. but one of his people saying it could be foul play. what's the situation? >> it's suicide. he wrote john 3:16 across his forehead and left three notes. at the end of the day we are better off because he's no longer with us. i didn't want to waste that much time talking about him his week. the interesting aspect of this is why would he kill himself. what is the incentive. there is some incentive. that's to protect his estate from civil litigation. once he kills himself and because he did not go through the entire legal procession. there is an arcane law in massachusetts that basically vacates the initial sentence. jesse: so he's trying to do the right thing for his family. >> for his daughter.
i think a -- the family is also donating his brain for cte research. jesse: are they saying because he took so much hits to the head, that's why he committed these acts? >> they could be look for money to his estate from the nfl. there is a portion of the patriot contract that could go to his estate. there is legal wrangling going on here. i think he has done himself a fave and everybody else a favor that has anything to do with him. jesse: sorry for playing the nfl fox jingle in the open. i know you are a cbs guy. but i felt you could take it. >> we are kind of long island guys together. i know you moved to long island. i grew up in long island. but i' jesse: big changes at fox news.
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PeopleDonald-trumpMostVoteDirectionDeplorables-momentTimesWaySelf-interestsOwnself-interestsDifferenceOutcomesmay be more people to come, is the president has to get back on track.k. he has to honor the promises that he made during the campaign. he has to get a legislative agenda passed by 2018, the start of the new year, otherwise we're going to be consumed next year with the midterm elections. it will be every man and woman for themselves and they're going to be running for the hills. the president needs a staff t around him, that's congenial, and believe me, it's possible, it happens. i worked with two presidents and the staffs had disagreements but they were in the room and once that disagreement was over, and a consensus was had, policy was made and that's what we have to do. you also have to make sure the president understands that you make policy in washington but you sell it on main street. >> tucker: for sure. i think he already sold it on main street, though. that's what that campaign was about. he ran out a bunch of different things that everybody in d.c.pa hated but the public kind of liked, and he hasn't moved to make those law, for reasons that are not clear, but are a little clearer today.
little bit, but the president needs to get on the road and have an aggressive fall agendael traveling all around america talking about health care and talking about infrastructure and taxes, more importantly, because taxis are the key to picking up our economy and get a get moving again. we have the opportunity now, and donald trump does better than anyone else, to sell his policies. he is the salesman, he is the deal closer, the people around him, they are support staff. they are not the people who are going to be at the end of the day with their signature on the bills that are going to be signed. >> tucker: me ask you one last question. you've been in washington a long time.r you've been a republican in your entire life. rex tillerson said we are going to improvent the state departme. the most important thing you can do is enact a straight system and hiring.t that was sent out loud. he is the secretary of state for the republican administration.
that is going to be the state of play in the republican party, when your head have exploded or would you havetu dismissed it aa lie? >> my head would've exploded. look, we've got to, again, return to the basics of principal and the republican party, things that we believe in, not reinventing things, not things that are not part of our platform, not things that are manufactured by people outside the party who are not believers, we have to return to the core principles that make the republican party a great party. but you can't do that as a freelancer, you can't do that willy-nilly, and you can't do that out of thin air. you have to be principled and that's where your first question is very germane, who are the believers? >> tucker: i don't know the answer. we're going to try to find out. thanks for joining us tonight. >> pleasure.e. >> tucker: for more on the reaction to the departure of steve bannon, we are joined by author, columnist, and thinker mark styn.
mark, did this make america better or worse with bannon gone?or >> i inclined to the latter because i am worried that the departure of steve bannon makes the trump administration more ordinary and i think the people who voted for trump wanted something extraordinary. and at the risk of quoting myself, which is, i think the first sign of madness, over a decade ago i said it required some genius of for george w. bush to get demonized as a right-wing madmaniz when 90% of the time he was tony blair with a ranch. and i think the same process is underway now, trump is being demonized as the new hitler while inside the building they're basically trying to turn them into jeb bush with a kind of foulmouthed semi-tourettes twitter feed and i don't think that's going to work. the trump agenda, it was very interesting listening, and that was a very sane explication we just heard but he didn't mention the wall, it didn't mention illegal immigration, it didn't mention any of the issues that catapulted trump in june and
july of 2015 into the lead over all 17 sane governors and senators for whom there were no takers among the republican base. >> tucker: so his voters haveke put up with an awful lot. they are mocked as bigots for supporting him, there is a lot about what trump says it's hard to explain or understand, but they've stuck with him because he speaks for them on those issues. how long will their patience last? how long until they say, you know what, he's not doing the things i voted for. what's the point of this? >> i think there's three groups of people. there are people who just loathes trump's style. that includes a lot of republicans. like your pal, bill kristol. then there is people who liketh the style, they like the ways he plays at smash mouth.
but there's a third group of people who recognize he is a curious and idiosyncratic character but he was the only one advancing policy is that cared about. and if you are in these states and towns where the mill has closed. in the factory has closed. and you're listening to these things from marco rubio about a second american century when all you want is for, you know, your remaining life expectancy to be marginally less work, then, i think, i think they do want the trump policies and they are disturbed by the fact that, for example, on national security, we essentially have, i don't know what he's complaining about, when you look at the options in afghanistan,, essentially bill kristol's foreign policy establishment is still in control of the joint. likewise, the obamacare skinny repeal was nothing like what trump was talking about.
[laughter]bo deepest thinker, what do you you make of that? >> i don't think she's very sound on either theology or the history. because there are actually a lot of satanic iconography is throughout thest history of the christian church. and indeed, these days, whenever certain liberal groups discover that there is a nativity scene on public land, they petitionis for a satanic seem to be included with it. i think there was a famous one in detroit a couple of years ago. but just to stick with her analogy, if the confederacy is satanic, the church, and i'm just running with this because her thought popped into my head, then the church of satan is the democratic party. the democrats were the biggest institutional supporters of slavery on the planet in the 19th century, and they're the only ones to have survivedla ino the 21st century.
if you look at other racist parties, the national party of south africa changed its name three times and then completelyo expired. same with ian smith's in rhodesia. and, and, and, and her father, her very own father presided over one of the great, just seven years ago, the funeral of one of the great satanic archbishops whom you mention the other night, robin seabird. never mind guys have been dead for a hundred 50 years, if you land in west virginia, everything in the state is named after him. yes directions, they say youou come out of robin seabird airport, you hang a left on robin seaboard parkway, turn it right, then when you get to the robert seabird sign, he was, and bill clinton said, well, you know, he had a little bit of a flirtation with e the klan.
but he had to do what he had to do to get elected and we've all been there. let me just reread what he said. i don't want to get this quote wrong.o i'd rather quote trampled in the dirt never to rise again then to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongols, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wild. this is not a young man, this is a middle-aged man far older than chelsea clinton an-- >> tucker: he is writing to senator bilbo, i think. >> that's right. and i am a foreigner so i can't tell a grand cyclops to a grand because due to grand wizard. but i think if you forgive a little bit of criticism from your grand public, i think this is what happens when you don't have titles and nobility. people invent stupid titles like grand wizard. but he was one and bill clinton delivered his eulogy. why doesn't chelsea take that up with the satan in her own family
household? >> tucker: because they are good people, mark. unlike you and me. they are just good people. thank you for joining us. thank you for joining us tonight. >> have a kliegle weekend. [laughter] >> tucker: the southern poverty law center is an ideological left-wing organization. the question is why cnn using it to decide what a hate group is? we will talk to the head of one group -- not a hate group -- that cnnnn lumped in with the ku klux klan and neo-nazis. we'll talk with someone who thinks it's just fine to silence bad thoughts online. this lovely lady has a typical airline credit card. so she only earns double miles on purchases she makes from that airline. what'd you earn double miles on, please? ugh. that's unfortunate. there's a better option.
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>> tucker: yesterday, cnn published a story with the headline, "here are all the active hate groups where you live." this was not a list narrowed to neo-nazis and anarchic, but also had regular conservative organizations like the alliance defending freedom, the family research council, and others. the list was too large and grossly biased and that's because cnn wasn't listing real hate groups they were just listing hate groups as defined by the southern poverty law center which is a totally responsible organization that left-wing organization that casuallyra throws around the tem "hate group" in order to raise money and it's raised a lot of money doing that. terrifying people.
it eventually scaled back its headlineut changing into "the southern poverty law center's list of hate groups." why is cnn doing the bidding of the southern poverty law center? they are not coming on to tell c us why so we asked someone from the southern poverty law center to come want to tell their side but they decline like theyki always do, so instead we are joined by tony perkins was president of the family research council, one of the group slandered by cnn and the splc. thanks for coming on tonight. so, you wake up to see that cnn, which is a supposed news network is describing is a hate group? what is your reaction? >> it was the fact that it was irresponsible and reckless. this is troubling because the media should not be using the southern poverty law center and their hate map as a means of communicating what is hate and what is not. thert southern poverty law centr and their hate map have been linked in federal court to domestic terrorism and that occurred at our place when a gunman came in armed with 100
rounds of ammunition with the hit list that came off of the southern poverty law center's hate map. so this is real and it's dangerous and it's reckless for the media to use it. >> tucker: so a lunatic read that your organization was described as a hate group and showed up with a gun in response? >> it was five years ago that that occurred based upon thiss map that cnn put up, that's a new version of the map it has all of us listed, you can go to the web site and it shows you how to get there, and this gunman confessed to the fbi that's where he got his list was from the southern poverty law center. they want people to think that they're in the crows nest looking on the horizon for america's well-being when they are vultures that are preying on the fears of americans. they've gone after ben carson and got after the president and even in minnesota they are pushing policy, they are not an objective arbiter sitting on the sidelines, they went into minnesota pushing a liberal policy in a local school, parents organized against them and instead of arguing the merits of whatever the policy was, the southern poverty law center slapped a label of hate
group on these parents. that's how they operate. they are a fearmongering organization that rings over 350 million back thousand dollars. which they are sitting on and offshorent accounts. it is irresponsible for the media to use them as a source. the department of the army has moved away from them, the department of justice, even under the obama administration moved away from them because of their questionable methodology. >> tucker: they are totally fraudulent and it's not even a close call. they're completely over-the-top. you spend 10 minutes on their web site and it's clear this is not a group concerned about hate, this is a fund-raising organization with a very specific political agenda. smearing people in order to raise money. no journalist, no honest journalist would ever use them as a source. it's shocking, actually. >> and that's the problem. >> tucker: last one, did cnn call you? cnn describes you as a hate group. you've all ready had some
nutcase with a gun show up when this happened last time. that they call you and say hey, we are going to describe you as did they warn you? a hate group? >> we had a discussion about this, what's happening here in this last week is, again, another case of irresponsibly w from the media. you remember when james hopkins cameyo to washington, d.c., with the hit list. and we don't know the extent to which he was visiting with splc's web site but we know he was communicating with them. his web site -- his computer s showedal that. but he's dead so we don't know all the facts. steve scalise, a friend of mine, he was on splc's site multiple times. they went after him trying to deprive him of his leadership position. after that, the media then calls for -- hey, we've got to ratchet down the rhetoric, we've got to calm down here. we have not heard those calls this time. >> tucker: they're completelyar irresponsible. we are out of time. i feel for you.
i hope this doesn't expose you to any dangers. >> thanks. thanks for coming on. >> tucker: traditionally the left was wary of large, powerful corporations controlling people's lives. but not any longer. they are in bed with big tech companies who are now minoritieb -- suppressing minority news online. yes, some of it is disgusting, but a year from now will you be on the list? we are talking to a progressive radio show host who is defending it. stay tuned.
>> tucker: in the wake of charlottesville, tech companies have decided to start rolling back speech on their platforms. google, go daddy, and cloud fair have all cut surface to the daily stormer, that's a white supremacist web site. airbnb has banned whites the premises from using the site, paypal banned a site from using their service and said it won't stop there. spotify, the music service is purging its music library of hate bands using a list provided by the southern poverty law center. of course. most of these victims are not sympathetic at all, but the question is, in the long run, is it a good idea to allow tech companies this kind of power? we are joined tonight, ethan, what i find so fascinating about this is that liberals traditionally were free speech absolutistses and were deeply suspicious of corporate power. probably both good things. now, every level i know is a toady to big business and
whatever apple and google think it's a good idea, they kind of nod and say it's fine with me. what happened to liberals? >> in this case, you have speech, as you just pointed out, that is so reprehensible that we reach a line and say, look, this is not the government intruding on somebody's first amendment rights. the platform itself, whether it's google, facebook, go daddy, or others have terms of servicel which relate to things like incitement or violence toward others, or hate speech. so if you are violating a company's terms of service they have the right to pull the plug. that's what we're talking about here.re >> tucker: you're smarter than that. you're smarter than that. i'm not making a legal case. i'm not saying that the government has a right to force spotify to play these songs. i'm really saying there's a moral case to be made on behalf of free expression and not all of these groups, i don't actually know anything about the daily stormer, i know what v dare is, though, and you may not agree with that it, but they are not espousing violence, they are espousing views that these companies don't like. is it a good idea?
should liberals get behind the censorship of speech that they don't like? i can't believe the liberals are supporting this.ce >> you run into the philosopher karl popper put forth the paradox of tolerance. when somebody says, i don't tolerate anybody else, thatmi would be the white supremacists in this case, i don't need to tolerate their speech becausese they are intolerant of everything and everybody.o unless you happen to fit their very narrower worldview. i agree that there can be a slippery slope your but this is the free marketplace. if you want to support white supremacists, go create your own hosting company and go create your own music service for white supremacists. >> tucker: let me just say i'm sure i'm going to wind up on the splc web site for saying this, but i'm not defending white the premises. i don't believe it in and ii don't approve of it. what i believe in his freedom of
expression. in a marketplace of ideas where they compete with one another. if you don't like what somebody saying, make the counter case. beat them in debate, don't shut them down. aren't you as a liberal may be a little bit bothered by the practice at google of eliminating things from should search results? t you don't even know it's there? google has a functional monopoly on search and you know that. let's not pretend. that doesn't bother you? >> in the case of google that would be the exception. search is like, the one area where they really are like a monopoly but all the other things that you just described are not monopolies, so there really is a marketplace for competition. search is a which is why google is running whole other w animal. into some trouble in places like europe. i don't like the idea that google remove search resultsov just because we don't like what the answer is.on i am with you i on that one. i think there is a dangerous precedent when we shutdown something. >> tucker: why don't liberals stand up and say that? i'm glad to hear you say that. why don't your fellow liberals make their voices heard? this is a really important principle and only liberals can
help preserve it. conservatives are not taken seriously on this issue but liberals are and yet they are all toadies, as far as i'm concerned, to corporate power in this case and it's really distressing. i hope you will raise your voice. we are counting on you. >> thank you. i will, tucker. thank you. >> tucker: yesterday's terror attack in barcelona wasar very similar to countless other islamic attacks. naturally the press is scrambled to compare to charlottesville instead. we'll talk that over with radio show host tammy bruce who joins us after the break. plus, are you ready for next week's solar eclipse?? should you stare directly at the sun, or not? fox meteorologist janice dean will be here to tell us. when you have something you love, you want to protect it. at legalzoom, our network of attorneys can help you
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yesterday's attack fit perfectly into this wider trend but i dont tell the press in the united states. years spent trying to downplay islamic terrorism may reach they are peek yesterday when multiple figures trying to tie the barcelona tactic, not to thi islamic terror attacks that have come before, that would seem an obvious part of the chain -- but instead, somehow, to the attack in charlottesville. >> there will be questions about copycats, questions about what happened in barcelona, if it b wasn't all a copycat version of what happened in charlottesville, virginia. >> with the intensity of information that we've had relatedh to the charlottesville incident over the last five days, it's quite possible that may have precipitated this terrorist group's desire to gain the limelight and carry out a similar attack. >> tucker: needless to say,
this is news stretched to the point of propaganda. the public isn't learning anything except that maybe they shouldn't trust the media and that sad, because over time, one day the media will wake up to discover the public puts more faith and trust in conspiracy theories than they do in the official story. that's bad for america and bad for the press. maybe they should think it through before they spread garbage like you just saw. tammy bruce is a new york city radio host and she joins us tonight. so, tammy, when you saw the atrocity, maybe charlottesville inspired this? >> every normal person looks at something like that and we are crushed and we know it's a touristy area, we know multiple countries will be involved, we know people were enjoying their day in a beautiful city, and just walking through a promenade, and the next thing, it was like our american who was killed on his anniversary, first year anniversary gets up to use the bathroom, walks away from his bride and he gets murdered. so these are the things that
remind us about how things can change in a moment. but horribly for american news, americans rely on news networks to find out what's going on around the world especially in tragedies. and you have wolf blitzer. immediately saying that as ani political opportunity. but let me tell you, it's not about downplaying the event. yot i would argue with you in that regard. they see in that example for that network everything through the prism of hating trump and so they saw tartlets bill. charlottesville. they said that we've attached them to that now, we've achieved that, so we say that that's a copycat in barcelona, barcelona is his fault as well. so that i think it is more of what we are watching is this inability to see anything t outside of the prism of hating donald trump and when you've got viewers who are relying on the facts of the matter on thena ground, my goodness, they can't even get straight news anymore from individuals who are pathologically fixated at this
stage. >> tucker: exactly. i this is an opinion show. you're watching the show and you know you are getting opinions. but if you're watching a news show or reading the front page newspaper, there's an expectation that you are going to find out what actually happened. and the description is not going to be colored by the opinions, political opinions of the person who wrote it. isn't this making all of us just too cynical in the end? on average people going to conclude there is no absolute truth, there is no way to find out what reality was? >> i think if we refuse to allow that kind of cynicism on, let's say, cnn's part, we see what they're doing and it's obvious but what americans are doing instead is they are cutting the cord, aren't they? the cable companies havehe realized that people are turning somewhere else. but this is a problem for our democracy because media and news, and even opinion is meant to be an estate here, it's meant to really contradict power, tos really be serious about contradicting power, asking the hard questions, and when you
move from not caring what the answers are but making things up in order to achieve your political role, even abandon your job, so that harms all of us and it certainly harms the viewers over at cnn and that hao got to be our commitment with either opinion or news. >> tucker: nicely put as always. tammy bruce, thanks a lot. >> tucker: you remember that trump's fall with cuba was supposed to have a better relationship and why is there no evidence that a dozen or more american diplomats have been injured in an attack on americans in cuba? a story you may not have heard before, but an amazing one. stay tuned.
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>> tucker: the u.s. government recently established diplomatic relations with cuba but all is not well in that communist paradise. recent official that said that six diplomats came in with mysterious illnesses that are believed to be for a hidden sonic device. in response, diplomats have been expelled from the united states. now the washington beacon reports that the attacks were more frequent and affected far more diplomats than had been reported. susan crabtree is a writer, lieutenant colonel scott is a veteran of special forces, they will join us tonight. this is an amazing story, susan, i don't think most people are aware of this. give us the outline of exactly what happened. >> last week we discovered that the state department finally admitted that six diplomats,
we are saying u.s. personnel, had come down with some mysterious symptoms involving hearing loss to begin with. there are other symptoms, too, that we have learned about, they were pinpointing this as happening late last year in their residences outside the embassy in havana. this supposedly affected six people, that's what they said last week but we have learned that actually it was more like 12-18 people, definitely in the double digits, our sources say, and also, that this occurred much earlier than we previously thought, months earlier, actually, and that timing is critical when you think about the normalization process and president obama leaving his administration and his policy directive. which came october 14th. >> tucker: right. scott, tell us about these devices, sonic weapons, what do they do and what are the effects? >> thanks for having me on. it's just another type of a nonlethal weapons system, andn. this one sounds more like an
infra- sonic or ultrasonic type weapon which can, you know, it's physically undetectable really to the victim and it can put in physical pain, harm, even death if exposure is long enough so, it's a nasty weapon. >> tucker: you can kill someone with a sound he can't hear? >> prolonged exposure, there been studies that this can possibly lead to death. i don't think there's a lot of, there's not a lot of documented use of this other than riot control, but then the audio harassment is what this really is, is what it sounds like, is that targets were identified and then audio harassment was employed where they lived and operated over a prolonged period, and yes, that can have significant damage on humans nervous system. >> tucker: that's just shocking. susan, is there any indication your reporting of why the cuban government would want to do this? they hate us, of course, on ideological grounds, but why now?
why u.s. diplomats they are? >> that's what everyone keeps asking, including myself. the cuban government has denied this, of course, and they are saying, we didn't know anythingg about this, but other people are suggesting that it could be russia that was in cuba at the time, because of the canadian connection, we learned last week that canada is saying that one of its diplomats, too, had come down with similar illnesses, at least one that we know of, and that they are not adversarial, they don't have an adversarial relation with cuba, they don't have a huge trade embargo with cuba, so why would they be targeted at the same time? people are suggesting that it could be russia and their motivations are clear. they don't like this trade embargo, they don't like this new detente that we have with cuba, they would like to have more control over goods andhe services going into cuba,mo they don't want the u.s. to have the embargo with that, that's one speculation, one theory that i've heard, but, yeah, it's really mysterious especially
because everyone that you've talked to knows that they know exactly what's going on. >> tucker: it's just a shocking story. thank you both for that insight. we will keep track of that. for my constipation,
>> tucker: i will trade my tickle me elmo. [laughs] >> it's just a reminder that there are some things that are not in our control. this eclipse is going to bring all of america back together. you know the anatomy of anal eclipse? where the moon passes between the sun and the earth, blocking all or part of the sun. the penumbra is the partial a shadow, which the whole u.s. is going to experience. a very small little widespread region, the umbra, that's the full shadow. the totality that's going to go coast-to-coast, tucker, for the first time in 99 years. from the northwest to thee southeast. this area is going to experience total darkness for over 2 minutes in the daytime. it's going to be crazy. it's going to be amazing. it's going to change our lives. yes. the only thing that could ruin the eclipse is the cloud cover.
don't get mad at your local meteorologist if the clouds cover the eclipse. >> tucker: so you know what that narrow band is? are there any population centers?ha >> absolutely, nashville. i'm going to be in greenville, south carolina, for fox & friends. lincoln, nebraska. the rest of the u.s. is going to get partial eclipse. it's going to be kind of dustyip around 1:00, 2:00, 3:00 in the afternoon. there is your monday forecast. the midwest, that's where we will see the cloud cover. i'm hoping we are getting this full effect in greenville where i'm going to be. this is a big deal. >> tucker: you can see why people 300 years ago, beforere they explained the phenomenon might think the world was ending. >> absolutely. what i want to do for fox &
friends is have a rooster close by. you know what's going to happen? it's going to get dark and the roosters going to think morning has come again. the roosters going to grow. yes, animals could freak out a little bit. the big deal is, if you don't have the sunglasses, they have to be approved.gl iso 12312 -- 2. they have to be approved. nasa will tell you what you need to be looking for. the last time we had a coastal eclipse coast-to-coast with 1918. do you remember, tucker, back in 1979? i was eight years old. i know i am giving away my age. how exciting that was. it is also very scary. it was almost like don't look at the sun, you could go blind. it's very true.s you cannot look at the sun. an ophthalmologist likens it to being out when it's cloudy and it still getting a sunburn. if you are more apt to look at the eclipse because it's dark out but you're still getting the full effect at that uv light. that's why you have had these really cool sunglasses. >> tucker: i'm going to try to
control myself. i might not be able to. does your new book about on monday? >> yes, it does. "freddie the frog-caster." it comes out on eclipse day. here's a couple of tips. don't look at the sun directly. sunglasses have to provide sufficient protection. these babies. only look at the sun through an approved filter. and remember when you were a kid? we made the filters out of a cereal box and pinhole. those are safe. go online and learn how to do that. you cannot look at the sun. tucker, thank you for promoting "freddie the frog-caster." i will be in greenville, south carolina, for the totality. it's going to happen. it's going to change our lives. i love you. >> tucker: i will be lying in bed, watching you, janice.lo you are theg best.
PeoplePresidentAgendaPromisesCampaignTrackk2018HimManStaffPresidentsHillshome and hillary clinton administration. indeed, he was one of the rare republicans there and the only, or one of the very few, populist conservatives. that's strange, since populist conservatism is the platform his boss ran on. like trumpet candidate, bannon was willing to criticize big republican donors in their ideological stranglehold in a corrupt g.o.p. establishment. he's able to break with orthodoxy and big and dramatic ways con for higher taxes, better infrastructure, fewer pointless wars around the world, and more. he understood that the country's greatest crisis isn't robert e lee statues but the steady economic and moral decline of its once robust middle-class. not surprisingly, traders on wall street cheered when he got fired this afternoon. the dow shut up 100 points on the news. lobbyists in washington will be celebrating late into the night. the funny thing is, that in some important ways, steve bannon was more traditionally liberal than the liberals who spent the last
year shrieking for his head. not that you would know that from the coverage, everything is identity politics and also has ideological opponents attacked him from the very beginning as a bigot. he was always a ludicrous charge , he is a flawed guy, but not in that way. just yesterday he called white nationalist "buffoons and losers ." it's not steve bannon who is obsessed with racism, it's the activist left in the morons who do their bidding in the media. after his departure was announced, "huffington post" ran this headline. exactly what with it even means, it's disparately some kind of jewish joke, but even keith olbermann complained about it said to change the headline to " white flight." identity politics now, identity politics forever. there was never any real attempt in the press to understand or critique exactly what bannon was saying saying, ideas and policy are not interesting to reporters , mindless tribalism is , so that's what they cover. this is toxic and obscures the
issues that actually matter. instead of looking at real problems like rampant drug addiction or economic inequality , and those are real problems, and trying to find solutions to them, the left is obsessed with finding and enjoying destroying the imagine racist in our midst. with banning on, they will move on to somebody else, and they will. see when you about steve bannon, and you can see a lot a lot, but he never forgot what trump got elected in the first place and in a democracy that is not a small thing. he kept an office full of campaign promises, which has probably all ready been taken down by now. >> blakeman was an advisor to george w. bush and he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on, brad. so with steve bannon gone, who left among senior staff wholeheartedly agrees with what trump ran on. >> i think steve miller obviously has been there for sometime, but it's not necessarily the people who get you to the white house that you need around you when you finally get there. and i think the main thing that has to be done, now, once the
should be leaning on. success is going to be driven by the president being able to keep his promises. >> yes, but you got to have people around you who agree with those promises and are trying full time to subvert them, as a lot of the people around him are this is the macro view as far as i can tell. to the left hates trump, that's never going to change. he fires bannon, nancy pelosi releases a statement decrying him as a race to spread the press in washington hates him almost as much, maybe more so, so the only people who like him are people who voted for them in middle america, and bannon was kind of there man in the white house. so once you lose them, where's your constituency customer coos for you? >> the president needs to do what he does best and that is, in the fall, go out and sell his policies and his promises that he made. now is the hard part, now you have to implement them. get to go to peoples districts and help them. he also has to go to those districts are people who were against you and kick them a little bit, but the president needs to get on the road and
have an aggressive fall agenda traveling all around america talking about health care and talking about infrastructure and taxes, more portly, because taxes are the key to picking up our economy and get it moving again. we have the opportunity now, and donald trump does better than anyone else, to sell his policies. he is the salesman, he is the deal closer, the people around him our support staff, they are not the people who are going to be, at the end of the day, with their signature on the bills that are going to be signed. >> let me ask you one last question. even in washington a long time, even a republican your entire life. rex rex tillotson, secretary of state came out today and said we are going to improve the state department. the most important thing you can do is enact a straight system and hiring. they set out loud, he's a secretary of state for republican administration. if the money had said to you that is going to be the state of play in the republican party, would are head have exploded or would you have dismissed it as a
lie? >> my head would've exploded. look, we've got to, again, return to the basics of principal and the republican party, things that we believe in , not reinventing things, not things that are not part of our platform, not things that are manufactured by people outside the party who are not believers, we have to return to the core principles that make the republican party a great party. but you can't do that as a freelancer, you can't do that willy-nilly, and you can't do that out of thin air. you have to be principled and that's where your first question is very germane, who are the believers? >> i don't know the answer. we're going to try to find out. thanks for joining us tonight. >> pleasure. >> tucker: for more on the reaction to the departure of steve bannon, we are joined by author, columnist, and thinker mark stein. mark, did this make america better or worse with bannon gone >> i inclined to the latter
because i am worried that the departure of steve bannon makes the trump administration more ordinary and i think the people who voted for trump wanted something extraordinary. and at the risk of quoting myself, which is, i think the first sign of madness, over a decade ago i said it required some genius of for george w. bush to get demonized as a right-wing madman madman when 90% of the time he was tony baer with a ranch. and i think the same process is underway now, trump is being demonized as the new hitler while inside the building they're basically trying to turn them into jeb bush with a kind of foulmouthed semi tourette's twitter feed and i don't think that's going to work. the trump agenda, it was very interesting listening, and that was a very sane explication we just heard but he didn't mention the wall, it didn't mention illegal immigration, it didn't mention any of the issues that
curious and idiosyncratic character but he was the only one advancing policy is that cared about. and if you are in these states and towns where the mill has closed in the factory has closed and you're listening to these things from marco rubio about a second american century when all you want is for, you know, your remaining life expectancy to be marginally less work, then, i think, i think they do want the trump policies and they are disturbed by the fact that, for example, on national security, we essentially have, i don't know what he's complaining about , when you look at the options in afghanistan, essentially bill kristol's former policy establishment is still in control of the joint. likewise, the obamacare skinny repeal was nothing like what
trump was talking about. i think at a certain point the people who voted for trump did not vote for john kay sick or jeb bush or marco rubio with a slightly wackier personality. they want the trump policies as well as the trump personality. >> tucker: that some people who don't really care about his personality or his dumb tweets, they just want to see the essential problems of the country addressed in an honest way on the parties are not capable of doing that. meanwhile, bannon's ouster has not ended the left restate against confederate statues. as part of work, chelsea clinton treated this. "the story of lucifer who rebelled against god is part of many christian traditions. i've never been in a church with a lucifer statue." this might be the first question you've ever gotten about chelsea
the 21st century. if you look at other racist parties, the national party of south africa changed its name three times and then completely expired. same with ian smith's in rhodesia. and, and, and, and her father, her very own father presided over one of the great, just seven years ago, the funeral of one of the great satanic archbishops whom you mention the other night, robin seabird fred never mind guys have been dead for a hundred 50 years, if you land in west virginia, everything in the state is named after him. yes directions, they say you come out of robin seabird airport, you hang a left on robin seaboard parkway, turn it right, then when you get to the robert seabird sign, he was, and bill clinton said, well, you know, he had a little bit of flirtation but he did what he had to do to get elected and we've all been there.
let me just redo what he said. i don't want to get this quote wrong. i'd rather quote trampled in the dirt never to rise again then to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongols, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wild. this is not a young man, this is a middle-aged man far older than chelsea clinton and >> tucker: he is writing to senator bilbo, i think. >> that's right. and i am a foreigner so i can't tell a grand for from a grand cyclops to a grand kazoo, but i think if you'll forgive a little bit of criticism, i think this is what happens when you don't have titles and ability. people invent stupid titles like grand illegal and grand was due. but he was one and bill clinton delivered his eulogy. why doesn't chelsea take that up with the satan in her own family
household? spoon because they're good people, mark, unlike you and me. they are just good people. thank you for joining us. thank you for joining us tonight >> havoc havoc legal weekend. [laughter] spin the southern poverty law center is an ideological left-wing organizations of the question is why is cnn using it to decide what i hate group is? of next will talk to the head of one group that cnn lumped in with the clan and neo-nazis . we'll talk with someone who thinks it's just fine to silence bad thoughts online. ugh. that's unfortunate. there's a better option.
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>> tucker: yesterday, cnn published a story with the headline, here are all the active hate groups where you live. this was a list narrowed to neo-nazis and anarchists, but it also had regular conservative organizations like the alliance defending freedom, the family research council, and others. the list was too large and grossly biased and that's because cnn wasn't listing real hate groups they were just listing hate groups as defined by the southern poverty law center which is a totally responsible organization that casually throws her around the term hate group in order to raise money and it's raised a lot of money doing that. terrifying people. dean and eventually it scaled back its headline changing it to "the southern poverty law center 's list of hate groups." why is cnn doing the bidding of
the southern poverty law center? they are not coming on to tell us why so we asked someone from the southern poverty law center to come want to tell their side but they decline like they always do, so instead we are joined by tony perkins was president of the family research council, one of the group slandered by cnn and the splc. thanks for coming on tonight. so, you wake up to see that cnn, which is a supposed news network is describing is a hate group? what is your reaction? >> it was the fact that it was irresponsible and reckless. this is troubling because the media should not be using the southern poverty law center and their hate map as a means of communicating what tate and what's not because this, in particular, the southern poverty law center and their hate that have been linkedin federal court to domestic terrorism and that occurred at our place when a gunman came been armed with 100 rounds of ammunition with the hit list that came off of the southern poverty law center's
hate map so this is real and it's dangerous and it's reckless for the media to use it. spoon so a lunatic read that your organization was described as a hate group and showed up with a gun in response? >> it was five years ago that that occurred based upon this map that cnn put up, that's a new version of the map it has all of us listed, you can go to the web site and it shows you how to get there, and this gunman confessed to the fbi that's where he got his list was from the southern poverty law center. but they want people to think that they're in the crows nest looking on the horizon for america's well-being when they are vultures that are preying on the fears of americans. they've gone after ben carson and got after the president and even in minnesota they are pushing policy, they are not an objective arbiter sitting on the sidelines, they went into minnesota pushing a liberal policy in a local school, parents organized against them and instead of arguing the merits of whatever the policy
was, the southern poverty law center slapped a label of hate group on these parents. that's how they operate. there a fearmongering organization and averaged over $350,000 which they're sitting on and offshore accounts. it is irresponsible for the media to use them as a source. the department of the army has moved away from them, the department of justice, even under the obama administration moved away from them because of their questionable methodology. spoon they're totally fraudulent and it's not even a close call. they're completely over-the-top. he spent 10 minutes on their web site and it is clear that this is not a group concerned about hate, this is a fund-raising organization with a very specific political agenda smearing people in order to raise money. no journalist, no honest journalist would ever use them as a source. it's shocking, actually. >> and that's the problem. spoon did they call you, tina describes he is a hate group, you've all ready had some nutcase with a gun show up when
they happened last time, did they call you to say hey, were going to describe your organization as a hate group, did they warn you? >> we had a discussion about this, what's happening here in this last week is, again, another case of irresponsibly from the media. your member when james hodgkins came to washington, d.c., with a hit list and we don't know the extent to which he was visiting with the web site, we know he was communicating with them, his computer show that, but he's dead so we don't know all the facts, but steve's police who he shot, he was on splc's site multiple times, they went after him trying to deprive him of his leadership position, and after that, the media then calls for, hey, we've got to ratchet down the rhetoric, we've got to calm down here. we have not heard those calls this time. >> tucker: they're completely irresponsible.
we are out of time. i feel for you. i hope this doesn't expose you to any dangers. things are coming on. >> thanks. spoon traditionally the left was wary of large, powerful corporations controlling people 's lives, but not any longer. they are in bed with big tech companies who are now minorities online. yes, some of it is discussing, but a year from now will you be on the list? we are talking to a progressive radio show host who is defending it. stays tuned.
spoon in the wake of charlottesville tech companies have decided to start rolling back speech on their platforms. google, go daddy, and cloud fair have all cut surface to the daily stormer, that's a white supremacist web site. airbnb has banned whites the premises from using the site, paypal banned a site from using their service and said it won't stop there. spot if i, the music service is purging its music library of hate bands using a list provided by the southern poverty law center. most of these victims are not sympathetic at all, but the question is, in the long run, is it a good idea to allow tech companies this kind of power? we are joined tonight, ethan, what i find so fascinating about this is that liberals traditionally were free speech absolutist and were deeply suspicious of corporate power. probably both good things. now, every level i know is a
toady to big business and whatever apple and google think it's a good idea, they kind of nod and say it's fine with me. what happened to liberals? >> in this case, you have speech , as he just pointed out, that is so reprehensible that we reach a line and say, look, this is in the government intruding on somebody's first amendment rights. the platform itself, whether it's google, facebook, go daddy, or others have terms of service which relate to things like incitement or violence toward others, or hate speech. so if you are violating a company's terms of service they have the right to pull the plug. that's what we're talking about here. spew >> tucker: you're smarter than that. you're smarter than that. i'm not making a legal case. i'm not saying that the government has a right to force spot if i to play the songs. i'm really saying there's a moral case to be made on behalf of free expression and not all of these groups, i don't actually know anything about the daily stormer, i know what z dare is, though, and you may not agree with that it, but they
are not espousing violence, they are espousing views that these companies don't like. is it a good idea? should liberals get behind the censorship of speech that they don't like? i can't believe the liberals are supporting this. >> you run into the philosopher karl popper put forth the paradox of tolerance. when somebody says, i don't tolerate anybody else, that would be the whites of premises in this case, i don't need to tolerate their speech because they are intolerant of everything and everybody, unless you happen to fit their very narrow worldview. i agree that there can be a slippery slope your but this is the free marketplace. if you want to support white supremacist, cocreate your own hosting company and go create your own music service for whites of premises. spoon let me just say i'm sure i'm going to wind up on the splc web site for saying this, but i'm not defending white supremacy. i don't believe it in and i don't approve of it. what i believe in his freedom of expression. in a marketplace of ideas where
they compete with one another. if you don't like what somebody saying, make the counter case. beat them in debate, don't shut them down. aren't you as a liberal may be a little bit bothered by the practice at google of eliminating things from should search results? you don't even know it's there? google has a functional monopoly on search and you know that. let's not pretend. that doesn't bother you? >> in the case of google that would be the exception. search is like, the one area where they really are like a monopoly but all the other things that you just described are not monopolies, so there really is a marketplace for competition. search as a whole another animal which is why google is running into some trouble in places like europe. i don't like the idea that google remove search results just because we don't like what the answer is. i am with you on that one. i think there is a dangerous precedent when we shutdown something. spoon why don't liberals stand up and say that? i'm glad to hear you say that. one of your fellow liberals make their voices heard, this is a really important principle and only liberals can help preserve it.
conservatives are not taken seriously on this issue but liberals are and yet they are all toadies, as far as i'm concerned, to corporate power in this case and it's really distressing. i hope you will raise your voice we are counting on you. >> thank you. i will, tucker. thank you. spoon the attack in barcelona was very similar to countless other islamic attacks, so naturally the press is scrambled to compare it to charlottesville instead. we'll talk that over with radio show host tammy bruce who joins us after the break. plus, are you ready for next week's solar eclipse? should you stare directly at the sun, or not? or fox meteorologists will be to tell us.
europe, and lesser acts of extremism are even more common, not even in the press here sometimes. yesterday's attack fit perfectly into this wider trend but don't tell the press in the united states. years spent trying to downplay islamic terrorism may reach their piece yesterday when multiple figures tried to tie the barcelona attack, not to the islamic terror attacks that have come before, that would seem an obvious part of the chain, but instead, somehow, to the attack in charlottesville. >> there will be questions about copycats, questions about what happened in barcelona, if it wasn't all a copycat version of what happened in charlottesville, virginia. >> with the intensity of information that we've had related to the charlottesville incident over the last five days , it's quite possible that may have precipitated this terrorist group's desire to gain the limelight and carry out a similar attack.
spoon needless to say this is news stretched to propaganda, the public isn't learning anything except that maybe they shouldn't trust the media and that sad, because over time, one day the media will wake up to discover the public puts more faith and trust in conspiracy theories than they do in the official story. that's bad for america and bad for the press. maybe they should think it through before they spread garbage like you he just sat. tammy bruce is a new york city radio host and she joins us tonight. so, tammy, when you saw the atrocity, maybe charlottesville inspired this? >> every normal person looks at something like that and we are crushed and we know it's a touristy area, we know multiple countries will be involved, we know people were enjoying their day in a beautiful city, and just walking through a promenade , and the next thing, it was like our american who was killed on his anniversary, first year anniversary gets up to use
the bathroom, walks away from his bride and he gets murdered. so these are the things that remind us about how things can change in a moment. but horribly for american news, americans rely on news networks to find out what's going on around the world especially in tragedies, durable splits or as an example as you played, immediately saying that as a political opportunity. but let me tell you, it's not about downplaying the event. i would argue with you in that regard. they see in that example for that network everything through the prism of heating trump and so they saw charlottesville, they said that we've attached them to that now, we've achieved that, so we say that that's a copycat in barcelona, barcelona is his fault as well. so that i think it is more of what we are watching is this inability to see anything outside of the prism of hating donald trump and when you've got viewers who are relying on the facts of the matter on the ground, my goodness, they can't
even get straight news anymore from individuals who are pathologically fixated at this stage. >> tucker: exactly. this is an opinion josie watch this show and you know you're getting opinions, but you're watching a news show or reading the front page of a daily newspaper there's an expectation that you're going to find out what actually happened. and the description is not going to be colored by the opinions, political opinions of the person who wrote it. isn't this making all of us just too cynical in the end? on average people going to conclude there is no absolute truth, there is no way to find out what reality was? >> i think if we refuse to allow that kind of cynicism on, let's say, cnn's part, we see what they're doing and it's obvious but what americans are doing instead is they are cutting the cord, aren't they? the cable companies have realized that people are turning somewhere else. but this is a problem for our democracy because media and news , and even opinion is meant to be an estate here, it's meant
to really contradict power, to really be serious about contradicting power, asking the hard questions, and when you move from not caring what the answers are but making things up in order to achieve your political role, even abandon your job, so that harms all of us and it certainly harms the viewers over at cnn and that has got to be our commitment with either opinion or news. >> tucker: nicely put as always paired tammy bruce, thanks a lot. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: your member that trump's fight with key mount was supposed to have better relationships and why is there now evidence that a dozen or more american diplomats have been injured in an attack on americans in cuba? a story you may not have heard before, but an amazing one. stay tuned.
spoon the u.s. government recently established diplomatic relations with cuba but all is not well in that communist paradise. recent official that said that six diplomats came in with mysterious illnesses that are believed to be for a hidden sonic device. in response, diplomats have been expelled from the united states. now the washington beacon reports that the attacks were more frequent and affected far more diplomats than had been reported. susan crabtree is a writer, lieutenant colonel scott is a veteran of special forces, they will join us tonight. this is an amazing story, susan, i don't think most people are aware of this. give us the outline of exactly what happened. >> last week we discovered that the state department finally admitted that six diplomats, worsening u.s. personnel, had
come down with some sort of mysterious symptoms involving hearing loss to begin with. there are other symptoms, too, that we have learned about, they were pinpointing this as happening late last year in their residences outside the embassy in havana. this supposedly affected six people, that's what they said last week but we have learned that actually it was more like 12-18 people, definitely in the double digits, our sources say, and also, that this occurred much earlier than we previously thought, months earlier, actually, and that timing is critical when you think about the normalization process and president obama leaving his administration and his policy directive. >> tucker: right. scott, tell us about these devices, sonic weapons, what do they do and what are the effects >> thanks for having me on. it's just another type of a
nonlethal weapons system, and this one sounds more like an infra- sonic or ultrasonic type weapon which can, you know, it's physically undetectable really to the victim and it can put in physical pain, harm, even death if exposure is long enough so, it's a nasty weapon. >> tucker: you can kill someone with a sound he can't hear? >> prolonged exposure, there been studies that this can possibly leave to death. i don't think there's a lot of, there's not a lot of documented use of this other than riot control, but then the audio harassment is what this really is, is what it sounds like, is that targets were identified and then audio harassment was employed where they lived and operated over a prolonged period , and yes, that can have significant damage on humans nervous system. >> tucker: that's just shocking. susan, is there any indication your reporting of why the cuban government would want to do this they hate us, of course, on
ideological grounds, but why now >> that's what everyone keeps asking, including myself. the cuban government has denied this, of course, and they are saying, we didn't know anything about this, but other people are suggesting that it could be russia that was in cuba at the time, because of the canadian connection, we learned last week that canada is saying that one of its diplomats, too, had come down with similar illnesses, at least one that we know of, and that they are not adversarial, they don't have an adversarial relation with cuba, they don't have a huge trade embargo with cuba, so why would they be targeted at the same time? people are suggesting that it could be russia and their motivations are clear. they don't like this trade embargo, they don't like this new detente that we have with cuba, they would like to have more control over goods and services going into cuba, they don't want the u.s. to have the embargo with that, that's one
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the eclipse is the cloud cover. don't get mad at your local meteorologist if the clouds covered the eclipse. >> tucker: so you know what that narrow band is? are there any population centers? >> absolutely, nashville. i'm going to be in greenville, south carolina for fox & friends. lincoln, nebraska. the rest of the u.s. is going to get partial eclipse. it's going to be kind of dusty around 1:00, 2:00, 3:00 in the afternoon. there's your local forecast. the midwest, that's where we will see the cloud cover. i'm hoping we are getting this full effect in greenville where i'm going to be. this is a big deal. >> tucker: you can see why people 100 years -- 300 years ago, before they explained the phenomenon might think the world was ending. >> absolutely. what i want to do for fox & friends' have a rooster close by. you know what's going to happen?
it's going to get dark and the roosters going to think morning has come again. the roosters going to grow. yes, animals could freak out a little bit. the big deal is, if you don't have the sunglasses, they have to be approved. iso 1232 -- 2. they have to be approved. nasa will tell you what you need to be looking for. the last time we had a coastal eclipse coast-to-coast with 1918. do you remember, tucker, back in 1979? i was eight years old. i know i am giving away my age. how exciting that was. it is also very scary. it was almost like don't look at the sun, you could go blind. it's very true. you cannot look at the sun. an ophthalmologist likens it to being out when it's cloudy and it still getting a sunburn. if you are more apt to look at the eclipse because it's dark out but you're still getting the full effect at that uv light. that's why you have had these really cool sunglasses.
>> tucker: i'm going to try to control myself. i might not be able to. does your new book about on monday? >> yes, it does. and the flash flood comes out on eclipse day. here's a couple of tips. don't look at the sun directly. sunglasses have to provide sufficient protection. these babies. only look at the sun through an approved filter. and remember when you were a kid? we made the filters out of a cereal box and pinhole. those are safe. learn how to do that. you cannot look at the sun. tucker, thank you for promoting freddie the frog-caster. i will be in greenville, south carolina, for the totality. it's going to happen. it's going to change our lives. i love you. >> tucker: i will be lying in bed, watching you, janice. janice dean, everyone's favorite at fox news.
OnePlatformAdministrationRepublicansPopulist-conservatismConservativesRan-onHillary-clintonBossHe-fires-bannonTaxesDonorsrecognizes that sound. >> well, that's correct, brian. if you remember defense secretary mattis was the first -- led the first marines on the ground shortly after 9/11. let's get with the breaking news, moments ago fox news has learned the taliban claimed responsibility for a massive rocket attack at kabul's international airport. 40 to 45 rockets and rocket propelled grenades landed near the passenger terminal just less than two hours after defense secretary jim mattis arrived with his entourage which included the press. now, i'm told that mattis was in no danger. he had already left the area aboard helicopter and rocket attack was not near the location where he landed. but, still, brian, it's the same airport and certainly raises a lot of questions about security in afghanistan 16 years after the 9/11 attacks. now, mattis a day ago was traveling in india, which might have put the taliban on some kind of alert. it was not public that defense secretary mattis would be arriving in kabul today. he arrived on board an air
by defense secretary mattis after president trump announced a new plan for south asia for afghanistan and pakistan where 3,000 additional troops would be arriving shortly in afghanistan to join the more than 11,000 u.s. troops currently there. now, already, the u.s. air force has been stepping up air strikes in afghanistan, there were more air strikes in august than any month since 2012. back to you guys. steve: all right. lucas tomlinson live at the pentagon with the breaking news. thank you very much. abby: 16 years later. we have been in afghanistan for 16 years and it's still this dangerous? brian: that's a good point, abby. i would say this. they say the rules of engagement have changed. i saw a body make that statement at the u.n. it's night and day the difference in philosophies under this secretary of defense and this administration. they are putting more men but not to do the surge but to change who we are hunting for and how to protect. steve: meanwhile, we will get more developments,
taking you down to alabama and that man on the horse is the big winner. there he is judge roy moore. he was riding up on tuesday to vote. that horse, by the name, is sundance. and as you know, this was a classic case where the antiestablishment took on the establishment and in this case even though roy moore did not have the endorsement of the president of the united states, he won by 9 points. interestingly enough, when -- apparently donald trump's endorsement really didn't help because roy moore beat luther strange in the primary by 6. and with the president's endorsement he actually beat him by 9. abby: it's interesting because a lot of people say roy moore's brand and what he stood for was far more in line with president trump than luther strange. here he is last night before giving victory speech where he took some time to defend the second amendment. >> nearly three months of negative ads, that we couldn't answer with money because we didn't have it,
ads that were completely false. >> that's right. >> that i don't believe in the second amendment. [laughter] i believe in the second amendment. guns don't kill. people kill. cars kill. are we going to get rid of our cars? are we going to get rid of our knives? no. we got to bring morality back to our country. brian: a lot of people said if roy moore wins democrats logical pour money in because they think he will be vulnerable. he knows sports. when they start asking specific questions, he was kind of at a loss. roy moore knows his issues. obviously is he a legend in the area and extremely knowledgeable. he has to start blitzing the books and issues that maybe senator luther strange had down pat and mo brooks because the democrats are saying they are running doug jones and although it's a long shot to take that seat, they, perhaps, are going to
give it a real shot if they can find some vulnerabilities with him. steve: the president of the united states sent this tweet out. remember, he had been supporting luther strange. he sent out a tweet yesterday supporting luther strange. last night he sent out a congratulations to roy moore on republican win in alabama. luther strange started way back and ran a good race. roy win in december. of course that's when he does take on the democrat. meanwhile, let's talk about -- abby: roy moore will be on the show later on this morning. steve: fantastic. abby: do you think he will be up for us? brian: december will have run off and many people assume he will get that. abby: the brand he was running on sort of this outside washington, away from the swamp. so interesting that the election happened a day that healthcare went down yet again. the frustration that some american people feel about the lack of work that's being done in washington. and once again, i think this is more about a movement than it is about any particular individual or any candidate or even about entrepreneurship.
brian: do you think this is bannon against trump? you can write us. i will bring this up, too. is that yesterday he goes down and the sort of healthcare go down. and roy moore made it clear. he wouldn't have voted for it many people speculate he will be a rand paul type senator sticking. abby: principles. brian: principles rather than compromising. steve: i was reading in the alabama newspapers that said if donald trump was the middle finger to the republican establishment last year, roy moore is the middle finger on the other hand. meanwhile, let's talk about how the number one topic in the country has been whether or not the nfl players should stand during the national anthem. now, good news for the president of the united states a juvenile court of americans, according to a couple of polls say they are with the president on that. a number of democrats and there you see some of the players who took the knee on sunday. a number of democrats actually took a knee in the u.s. congress, too, by name.
sheila jackson lee and mark. >> you tell me which of those children's mothers is a son of a b. that is racism. you cannot deny it you cannot run for it and i kneel in honor of them. >> i join so many now in the nfl and elsewhere in taking a knee for the america that we all aspire it to be. >> we should also point out a republican by the name of alex mooney from west virginia defended president trump for saying the nfl's players should stand after those two took a knee. brian: kneilson gave them bad news. the games are down slightly year to year. monday night football this monday night was up 3%. maybe it's because a lot had to do perhaps with the cowboys. i'm fascinated to see what's going to happen this week. i was watching benjamin watson last night for the ravens, and he said we all want to stand. i'm getting the sense they want this to end. they just don't know how. that's why i want the commissioner and the union president to get together
and give everyone a face-saving way out. there is no winners here. abby: they want to get back to what this is all about to begin with? it's football. get the politics out of it. i think maybe some of the viewership maybe because it was up 3%. people want to know what's going on. are people going to kneel or stand? people are fascinated by. this the nfl has become now propaganda for the left. here is what he said. >> we're dealing with liberalism here and we're dealing with the left and that's just not how they operate. everybody knows how much i love the nfl and how bigger than life it has always seemed bigger to me. doesn't seem bigger than life. it seems like a tool now. it has become something being used by the political forces of the left to advance their agenda. which is anti-american agenda. steve: and we mentioned the polls. the reuters poll that we put up a moment ago shows that a
majority of americans stand with the president on this. abby: look at that 85% strongly or somewhat agree. steve: there is a new remington research group out they say 51% of americans are watching less television. football. why? because 70% of the players -- 70% of the respondents say because they don't like the fact that players are yiewrszing the nfl as a stage for their political views. and 80% of americans want to see less politics in sports. brian: right. steve: politics are okay on a news show not so good on the field. brian: rushing limbaugh is going to be on with sean. some of the best in sports play football. i know they want out of this political mess. jillian: you wonder how you get out though. that's the big question. we will keep you posted. for now get you caught up on the headlines of the morning. convicted killer scheduled to die spared by the supreme court for enough to.
overnight justices grant ago safe execution for 59-year-old keith leroy thramp. coming hours after tha tharp be put to death. he was disabled and one of the jurors was racist. was convicted of murdering his sister-in-law three decades ago. president trump is planning a visit to the u.s. island of puerto rico. >> the earliest can i go because of the first responders and we don't want to disrupt the relief efforts. jillian: the white house also amending a disaster declaration promising more federal funding as power, clean water, and gas remain in short supply. the navy is now preparing to send its hospital ship to puerto rico to help with relief efforts. the u.s. navy also on the grounds of the island of domenica demolished by the category 5 storm. new video showing american service members loading families on board a helicopter.
many of them young children. one of the kids giving a sailor a high five after getting strapped in before heading to a shelter. maria killing at least 27 people on that island. guys? abby: thank you, jillian. brian: president trump set to unveil a tax plan today. we will give it to you but not yet.
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brian brian roy moore won last night. declaring victory yesterday in a heated senate primary race but he won easily. what we saw the president go with the washington establishment candidate luther strange and they seemed to have a personal relationship. here to react now is republican national committee chair i don't mean ronna mcmcdaniel. did the wrong person win. >> the voters chose. that's always the right way. the voters chose their nominee we will get in and make sure roy moore is the next senator from alabama and the voters do the right thing. brian: democrats see vulnerability there because is he someone new to the national stage. >> there is more republicans than democrats in alabama. let's do the math. so the rnc will go in and put our ground game in place. we will turn out our voters and roy moore is going to be the next senator. brian: the senator tweeted last night congratulations to roy moore -- go ahead i
didn't memorize it on republican win in alabama. luther ran a good race. roy was very classy in defeat last night which is a great quality to have that hillary clinton has not displayed. having said that he quickly went to -- the president reached back and roy moore reached over. how important is that? >> it's critical. and we knew that was going to happen. have you these primaries. you put your best foot forward and then you come together. our purpose unites us. as republicans we know what we need to get done for this country and we need to support the president's agenda. brian: mitch mcconnell wanted luther strange. many say this was mitch mcconnell against steve bannon and mitch mcconnell's candidate sheparded in $30 million from you guys and he still lost. what does that say about the leader? what should he take from this? >> well, just coming from michigan, voters want to choose their own candidates. they don't like washington coming in and saying this is going to be your next senator. and so let the process play out. let the primaries play out. let the voters choose who
the nominee is going to be and then bring the establishment, in the party structure in to help get that candidate across the finish line. brian: when you go talk to the people you are getting frustration back when you talk to republican donors as well as voters. what are they saying to you? >> i was in pennsylvania this week. they are frustrated. they are saying we sent you there. we gave you the white house, the senate, and the house. we want the repeal and replacement of obamacare. it's hurting us. our lives are hurting. i hear that the president hears it. he is never giving up on this. we need to expand our margins in 2018. hold on we need to give you a better senate. we have an opportunity to expand our senate majority. brian: different reasons collins, murkowski, mccain and rand paul are holding their ground and not playing ball with the rest. who is right them holding to their principles or the others. >> the fact we made this promise and not delivering and two can we governor with the majority? we need to show people we deserve the majority.
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instagram that includes permanent residents and naturalized citizens it goes into effect october 18th after a comment period. steve e over to you. steve: thanks, abby. the buffalo bills were one of the many nfl teams who knelt during the national anthem on sunday. that angered one stadium security guard so much he quit. eric nikashur posted a picture of himself walking out one last time on facebook saying after 30 years of working through the buffalo bills through the good seasons and a lot of bad ones, i was finally pushed to the limit today and i had to quit. i cannot work in a place where multimillionaires cry that they are oppressed. and erich nikischer joins us now. let's take you back to sunday. it was an awful day for you. you work in security. do you work in law enforcement. you saw the protest. and then after the anthem, what did you do?
>> after the anthem ended, i took off my buffalo bills hat. threw it on the ground. took off my security shirt and walked out of the tunnel. i went and quit my job. steve: why did this protest affect you so deeply? >> because it was during the national anthem and that's something i hold dear to my heart. a lot of people have fought and died for this country. the song and the flag signify that to me. and i have a lot of friends that are veterans. i have family members that are disabled veterans. and my father was a career war vet or is a career war vet. and it just -- the national anthem and the flag mean a lot to me. so, in my heart, i had to take my stand. it was a personal stand. and i had to quit. steve: you just mentioned your father. after you took the stand and you quit because you were so infewer @red by this nfl
protest and there is a picture of you with your dad at a birthday. >> yeah. steve: what did your dad do? >> he called me that night and he was broken up. he was proud of me but he was in tears with pride. steve: why? >> because i stood up for veterans and, you know, i did the right thing. and my heart and his heart. i took a stand and even though i stood alone, i still took the stand. steve: erich how long have you worked for the bills as a security guy and what are the people saying? what are the fans saying in buffalo? >> i started the bills the first year they went to the super bowl. and i have worked most of the years in between. and i really -- i haven't talked to any of the fans i talk to some co-workers who give me a lot of support and, you know, i, of course,
have gotten a lot of support on facebook. steve: sure. >> from veterans, other law enforcement officers. gold star mothers. and, of course, i have gotten some hate mail. steve: yep. >> on facebook. i take that for what it's worth. steve: erich what should the players be doing instead of kneeling? >> i believe kneeling, is, to me, is the players saying there's a problem, someone else fix it. i believe if they went out into the community, took some time and did something for a solution as opposed to just kneeling and saying someone else fix this. be a solution. do something about it. steve: well, have you got your sunday afternoons available now. what are you going to do? >> yes, sir. spend a lot of time with my wife, my children, my grandson, my parents. steve: well, good for you.
thank you very much for coming in today, erich and telling us your side of the story. >> thank you very much, sir. i appreciate it. steve: all right, erich who quit sunday for the bills because he didn't like the protests. >> yes, sir. steve: what do you think about that write us at friends@foxnews.com or tweet or facebook us as well. what's in the healthcare bill? we can't tell you until later this morning. here is a hint, a good bit of news for the middle class. we are live in washington with details coming up. this ain't the red wagon you had as a kid. this one right there is big and goes zero to 90 in seven seconds. and happy birthday to our friend meat loaf. meat loaf is 70 years old today. that's a lot of candles on that loaf ♪ i would do anything for love ♪ but i won't do that ♪ no, i won't do that
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or not. professional athletes should be required to stand during the national anthem, that number still above majority 58%. but obviously lower than 85%. we were talking about this in the commercial break, steve, we actually are different on this. because i think it's about as disrespectful as it can get when you decide to kneel during the national anthem. whenever you decide to disrespect the flag our national anthem whatever this country stands for. you don't want to put in place. to put a rule in saying players are forced to stand. that's not what this country was founded on. i spent time living in china. i have seen how the people live over there. when you start putting rules in place. where does that end? brian: if i have my private business, and let's say for this sake let's say the nfl, the commissioner of the nfl hired by the owners of the team and league. i have a bunch of rules. okay. they are going to wear white shoes and socks so high. are they going to appear on time. the n b says when you are hurt i want you on the sidelines with a suit and tie. just my rule. okay. i will say one other thing
when it comes to the national anthem. as a private company, you should say if that's what you believe, stand with your hand over your heart, or at least stand at attention on the sideline. if not you will be fined. abby huntsman says i don't think that's what america is about. can you say abby go to the cfl or go to the union with the players and say i want that changed. steve: it's one of the rules. brian: because it's private. steve: rules of place of employment privately held. all these stories floating around apparently i read in marc thiessen op-ed in the "the washington post" yesterday that it is a requirement, it's part of the nfl contract that during the national anthem players have got to stand and have to be facing the old glory. brian: here is how you pars it. it's not a rule. it's one of these regulations that people put into place. buff the nfl a year ago didn't enforce it when collin kaepernick, they let it go. so it's gone wild. steve: completely on the nfl because they didn't enforce
it. abby: i just worry about what that would do to this country because that is what we were founded on the ability to protest, the ability to stand up for something you believe. in when you feel like change needs to be made, this is not the right way to do it. i think we all agree on this couch. there are a million ways to protest and not kneel during this national anthem. when i look at that flag, i think of freedom. when i think about what my brothers are fighting for in the navy, i'm thinking about that. brian: abby, nothing you said that is inaccurate. however, if there was a rule, we only get an hour for lunch and you want to be free to take two hours, that judge has every reason to say abby, i am going to have to make a change. taking two hour lunch and we can only allow one hour. you are the best player in the league. i will have to suck it up at some point. when you become a liability more than an asset i'm going to make a choice. that's what kaepernick did. if he were the best quarterback in the league he would have 20 offers. be aable he is not. brian: not worth it.
the free market would respond to your two hour lunch q. abby: what do you think? email us at friends@foxnews.com. should it be a rule for players to not sit or kneel during the national anthem. i have a feeling more people are going to be with my side. i'm actually with the majority 85% who think they should stand always during the national anthem. but when you talk about rules that opens up a different conversation. steve: unfortunately we sometimes have to have rules. anyway, let us know friends@foxnews.com, facebook and twitter us as well. abby: today president trump is heading to pitch the new tax cut for the american people. steve: plan is expected to slash rates for businesses and individuals, particularly the middle class. brian: here to unveal his taxes for the first time on television griff jenkins. show me your taxes. >> not me. but the house ways and means committee kevin brady will unveil to house members as president trump heads to indiana to start selling it. >> we will cut taxes
tremendously for the middle class. not just a little bit but tremendously. >> and cut it will be brian. it will cut the corporate tax rate 20% to 35%. cut the tax rate on pass through businesses to 25%. collapse individual tax rate brackets down to 3, 35, 25, 12 we expect dropping from top rate of 39.6 that everyone fears who makes any money, doubling the standard deduction, which is a set amount, of course, of income that anyone is exempt from. and then we also expect some other proposals which eliminate the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax. they expect to expand child care tax credits. they expect to allow businesses to accelerate the expensing of credits and create one time repatriation. it includes the white house, the treasury secretaries, of
course chairman brady, majority leader mitch mcconnell orrin hatch and paul ryan. challenge comes in the house and whether or not the house freedom caucus if conservatives like it. they are meeting after the plan sun veiled and possibly voting to see whether or not they support it, guys, big day on tax reform. steve: indeed. brian: report that the president wasn't entirely thrilled with the product he got put in front of him. i don't know if it's lower tax rate jacked up or tax break jacked down. ainsley: you can't give her hints ask her. >> pay attention, what matters most whether the house freedom caucus likes it they are a big block. pay attention to that. abby: thank you very much, griff. brian: he always has to have the last word. steve: he does because we asked him. 20 minutes before the top of the hour and jillian as the headline word. jillian: good morning and to you at home as well. the teen accused of shooting
a police officer in the face stood in front of a judge last week. 18-year-old frank given probation after being caught with a stash of guns and 300 rounds of ammunition. days after that ruling police say he pulled the trigger on officer kayla maher outside of new york city. officer maher was released from hospital yesterday, greeted and cheered by her fellow officers. [applause] officer maher was shot in the chin. she is expected to be okay. birth control is now just as easy to get as a candy bar. stafford university is selling emergency contra contraceptives in vending machines in texas outside an all gender restroom. according to the newspaper, the university even offers students a discount by subsidizing the cost. some students complained they could only get the morning after pill on campus during limited hours at the health center. this is a childhood dream come true it goes from zero
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retiring at the end of his term in 2018 after 12 years in the u.s. senate. one name already floating around to replace him nfl legend peyton manning. reportedly golfing with president trump and corker earlier this year. there is going to be many other names in this mix. abby? abby: peyton manning senator. sounds good. are you planning for retirement paying off student loans. or saving money. never easy. back to tackle questions. retire inspired. best selling author with ramsey solution joins us now. we get you for free, chris, thanks for being here. >> thank you for having me. abby: these are emails coming in from viewers. this is from keith from florida. my wife and i have about $45,000 in student loans. we contribute about $1,200 per month toward retirement. should we stop investing to pay off the student loans sooner? >> keith, you absolutely want to stop investing so can you send that money plus any extra that you are already making and attack
that student loan debt faster. literally with the payment you are making and extra 1200. you could knock out the student loan 18 months or less. free yourself up. once have you that paid off. build up 3 to 6 month emergency fund and then go back to investing with a clearer conscience. abby: this is from greg in kentucky. my goal is to retire in 10 years when i'm 26 years old but i don't have much saved for retirement. what strategy should i take to build a larger nest egg to hit my goal? >> well, greg, first of all, i am excited that you have a goal and you have a target. now what we need is a plan. so, i would sit down and really start to think about where can i earn some extra money you? know you want to retire in 10 years. that's going to take some work. that's a pretty hefty goal i know can you do it. look at your current budget and figure out what you can cut back and cut out. bring in that extra money. above all, sit down with an investment professional that can look at what you have and if there are any tweaks that need to be made.
abby: that's good advice. this is from mallory in washington says my husband and i would like to buy a house in the next three to four years. where should we save and where should we put the money. >> buying a home is the american dream. i want to you sit down and think about how much home can you afford. you don't want a mortgage payment that's going to be more than 25% of take home pay. you want to be focused. start to look at it i would love for you to save 20% of the down payment so you don't have to pay private mortgage insurance. so putting that 20% down will avoid pmi and then i want you to only get a 15-year fixed rate mortgage. you can put that money setting aside in a money market account, down payment. let it sit there because it will be easily ache says cybil when you get ready to make that purchase. abby: we love having you on the show. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. abby: thank you all of you for sending in your questions. still ahead kellyanne
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the views that he believes it's possible to have a successful career without losing your faith and he learned it in the most unlikely place possible that is hollywood. steve: he has written a brand new book called "the hollywood commandments" guide t a spiritual guide to secular success. good morning. >> good morning. steve: a lot of people think hollywood has to do with greed and fame. >> i have been in hollywood 20 years and raised a christian. you would be shocked how much i have seen god operate in hollywood. i think this is why i wanted to write the book. too often we don't see the value in secular environments. and i have learned more about faith. i have learned more about success working a secular environment than i actually learned growing up in a church. i wanted to put my faith to, would. that's why i wrote the book. too offensive we see spiritual teaching to the weekend and we come to work and take it off. but if you pare your
spiritual teaching with secular strategy you will find success. brian: alonging at people and saying they don't have the same beliefs or passion i do for my faith and be successful or do you learn from people who don't have your faith. >> you learn from people who don't have your faith and you also learn from the industry in which you are working. there is so much to learn about success, about excellence, about discipline in whatever industry you are working. sometimes we miss the practical value of absorbing the industry that we are in and realizing that we don't have to compromise what we believe to find success in these industries. combining what the industry can teach us along with what we believe spiritually, that is the combination that will make us successful no matter what we do. abby: i love that and a i think that works for a place like hollywood but in any industry that you are in you think about politics today. how do you open people's minds though. how do you help people want to hear another perspective and say look, it's not going to change the way i think but it can help me better understand the conversation as a whole? >> one of my favorite
commandments is you have to carry a crown before you wear one. the value of service. when i serve with excellence, i create a relationship and dynamic by which someone would be open to hear who i am and what i'm about. that's is what we have missed. service is the key. can you never get out of style when you meet a need. steve: one of your other commandments and b by the book all 10 of them. your gut is hiding god. >> yes, what i mean by that is we all have an intuition. we all hear god speak to us. but sometimes it defies our logic. so we want to talk ourselves out of it we want to operate in fear. when you hear god speak to you, you have to move. this has worked for me because there was a time when i was, you know, at sony, i had my company at sony franklin entertainment and god told me it was time to move. i moved. do you know where i ended up fox? >> my film deal is on the side of fox. if i had not done it and moved when god told me, i would have missed my
chapter. brian: in hollywood think about my look and my mission and my wardrobe. one of the success is get out of your own head and stop focusing on yourself. >> too often we are in the selfish generation we want me, me, me. we when we take the camera and focus to other people. how can i meet their need and do what they do. how can i make my boss excellent today? what you realize your boss sees you as an asset or liability. when you make yourself an asset to no matter how work for you will never find yourself a day out of work. abby: could you stay with us all morning long? >> i'm here. brian: especially if you are going to go into that industry. extreme high self-esteem and why you are in it? >> that's the same pretty much anywhere else you go. steve: there are 8 other commandments we haven't talked about. check out the new book it's called "the hollywood commandments." brian: don't you hate when he outdresses us? i'm focused on me so i blew the whole thing up. steve: abby and i look great. >> yeah, you do.
steve: thank you, sir. counselor to the president of the united states kellyanne conway is going to be joining us live. brian: congressman brian mast lost his legs in afghanistan. he sent powerful message to those ho won't stand for the anthem. i wanted to be clear. i wanted it to last. so i kept on fighting. i found something that worked. and keeps on working. now? they see me. see me. see if cosentyx could make a difference for you- cosentyx is proven to help people with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis... ...find clear skin that can last. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before starting cosentyx, you should be checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms. or if you have received a vaccine or plan to. if you have inflammatory bowel disease, tell your doctor if symptoms develop or worsen. serious allergic reactions may occur. never give up. see me.
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competitive again. that is the opening pitch in his latest tax reform push. >> we will cut taxes tremendously for the middle class. not just the aa little bit but tremendously. brian: senator bob corker is retiring at the end of his term in 2018. one name already floating around to replace him. nfl legend peyton manning. abby: peyton manning, senator. sounds pretty good. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ my long lost buddy ♪ i like it ♪ i love it ♪ i want some more of it. steve: we like it and love it that you are joining us today on the curvey couch. ainsley is off today and abby is in. as we learned in the last hour, you just heard in the
cold open, apparently abby has memorized the nationwide it's on your side ad. abby: who has not memorized that. brian: one of the most brilliant accepting tosses ever. i said peyton manning his name was brought up to be the next senator from tennessee. because senator corker is retiring. you were able to break into that song. here's the problem, i can't picture him leaving this multi-million-dollar endorsement career. he doesn't even go to the broadcasting because it would be such a pay cut. how does he go do that and leaf everything else? abby: good question. some people just want a change. they want a change in lifestyle and want a different challenge. steve: is he a born leader. brian: another name is michele bachmann. she would be fantastic from tennessee. she is great. steve: anyway, a busy two hours for you on this wednesday morning. right now though, a fox news alert. brian: claiming responsibility for a rocket attack targeting defense
secretary james mattis shortly after landing in afghanistan last night. abby: pentagon producer lucas tomlinson is live for us from the pentagon and has brand new details. what are you hearing? >> good morning, abby. less than two hours before defense secretary jim mattis arrived at kabul's international airport u.s. officials tell me 40 to 345 rockets and rocket propelled grenades slammed to the ground. the fact that grenadesy used indicate some kind of ground assault that taliban claimed responsibility for attacks. james mattis had departed the airport. the taliban are claiming credit for the attack and this raises serious questions about who tipped them off. the attack happened at 7:30 a.m. local time, 11:00 p.m. here on the east coast. mattis had been in india the day before and spoke at the press conference in kabul alongside the president of afghanistan about the attack. >> an attack on an
international airport anywhere in the world is a criminal act by a terrorist. it's designed to go after generally innocent people to make some sort of statement and this is a classic definition of what the taliban are up to right now. we will suffocate any hope that al qaeda or isis, dash, ha qana any or the taliban have of winning by killing. i want to reinforce to the taliban that the only path to peace and political legitimacy for them is through a negotiated settlement. >> this is secretary mattis' first trip to afghanistan since president trump announced a new strategy for the 16-year-old war last month which includes sending more than 3,000 additional u.s. troops to join nearly 11,000 on the ground. and these new troops will be serving closer to the front lines with the ability to call in air strikes. already u.s. jets are increasing the number of bombs they are dropping on the taliban and isis affiliate. last month more bombs were dropped than any time in the
last five years. yesterday on capitol hill, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff general dunford says pakistan needs to stop harboring the taliban and haqqani network and offering them sanctuary in their country. brian: that, lucas is, probably a warning shot. we all know that's where they regroup and they come across the border you serve and that's what is creating chaos in afghanistan. we have to make that move or else it is fruitless to even continue fighting. steve: hey lucas a quick question for you. since it was unannounced visit with mattis and u.n. secretary general. are they thinking it might be an insider job? >> that's a possibility, steve. i mean, defense secretary was in india the day before. and many times when, you know, senior u.s. officials travel in the region, they do like to pop in whether it's iraq or afghanistan. but certainly it raises questions about who tipped off the taliban because the rockets landed less than two hours after the defense secretary touched down. steve?
steve: all right. lucas tomlinson, our producer at the pentagon. thank you very much. abby: i will tell you one man you don't want to mess with is defense secretary james mattis. brian: no place secure like it used to be in afghanistan so to speak for a few years after the initial invasion. i think if we decide to go into pakistan and start making life hell for the haqqani network and taliban that trains there and is born there and al qaeda that bleeds through there, that will begin to make a better chance for our guys to be unscathed and come back home. steve: get's go down to the white house right now. kellyanne conway joins us from the north lawn. kellyanne, good morning to you. >> good morning. steve: it looks like a majority of the americans agree with the president of the united states that people should stand during the national anthem. i saw in the "wall street journal" people are canceling direct tv sunday ticket so steamed at the players. we had a security guy on just about a half an hour ago. he worked for years for the bills, couldn't take it
anymore, he threw in the jersey and said i quit. i can't take it what is going on in america right now? >> look, about 12% of the nfl players took a knee and protested the other day. that means 88% did not. many americans support the president's position on this because the president is supporting the flag. and everything that it stands for. the men and women who have sacrificed on behalf of our freedoms so that you and i could have this conversation this morning and some gave the ultimate sacrifice. this is about the president standing for the national anthem and the flag. more importantly showing unity across the country for many people who agree with that i also read a story late last night that shows somebody who sings the national anthem for nfl teams has also quit, doesn't want to sing the national anthem anymore just because he doesn't want to be part of this controversy. steve: for the ravens. >> that's right. but i think there is an important lesson here as a mother of young children very important lesson. i want them to understand what that flag means.
everybody in this country knows an active military person. knows a veteran. touched by the veteran community. and i think that general dunford put it best. you have to really remember what that flag stands for. i was talking to somebody who lost a loved one overseas in combat. and basically said there is a reason that the flag comes back, that that coffin comes back to andrews air force base draped in our american flag. and that really, i think, brought it home for me. brian: so much going on about this. but it has started in 2016 when president obama was president. this didn't just start. this president brought it forward. the question is being that at least seven nfl owners are so passionate for donald trump, they actually gave to his campaign probably more. knows a lot of them personally. do you think the president will be open to hearing from those owners with some select players and union members to try to work a way through this? because right now both sides are talking at each other and they seem both dug in and the fans are in the
middle. >> well, this president is always open to speak to. steve: here we go. >> any number of people. he has probably held more meetings, round tables, oval office visits in first 8 months than many presidents have done in a much longer period of time. so, of course. but, remember, this is not -- this should not be seen as a clash of personalities. this is about principles. is not about politics. this is about what binds us as a nation. we can't have what binds us as a nation by those who get a mega phone every single day. particularly on tv shows and in print. what we need to know there are very few things and very dispiridispirit growing country. of course the president -- i will sit at that table with anybody who wants to come here. they can call me today if he this would like to do that. we are always open to that our experience has been on other issues that many people don't want to come here and have the conversation because when you actually sit down to converse about it and
discuss it, you are taking away one of their major talking points and one of their major points of grievance. abby: the conversation was ignited, of course, in alabama last night. brian: we just got a brand new tweet. why don't you read this. abby: this is from president trump. spoke to jerry jones of the dallas cowboys yesterday. jerry is a winner who knows how to get things done. players will stand for the country it seems like kellyanne is he going to stay on this topic. a lot of critics saying so much on his plate right now. we have got to move on. it's a distraction. seems like is he doing the opposite of that. >> the president addressed that very question in the rose gardens yesterday during bilaterally meeting with the prime minister of spain. i work all the time. i can do many things at once. some focuses who cover the president for a living only focus on one or two things at a time. we should reflect upon that he had a bilaterally meeting yesterday. is he working on healthcare. flee up to new york. is he revealing tax plan today in indians. we are really excited about that. the president, all these presidents in the 21st century, somehow become part
of the so-called culture war and larger societal conversation. accepted but almost expected by many americans to weigh in. steve: is he going to weigh in and hear more about the tax plan in a little while. tell us what you can tell us about how the tax structure would change under this plan. >> i have seen the president's speech today. it's an excellent let address that really lays out his vision and one that he has been working on with the congress. steve: what is the congress vision? >> the vision is four major principles. americans spend 6 billion man hours a year that we can certainly use doing other things just complying with the code. the code currently favors the wealthy and privileged and well-connected who can hire attorneys and accountants that can help them navigate and take advantage of these deductions and credits, many of which go away in the donald trump legislative plan for tax overhaul. secondly, just to reduce the rates and to make sure to reduce the brackets from 7 to 3 and reduce the rates on
the middle class so they actually get a pay raise. this is not just a tax bill. it's a jobs bill. abby: how does the president define the middle class? we still have yet to hear that from the white house. that's an important part of what comes out of this tax plan. >> it is. of course the accountant actuaries are brilliant economic minds here and across the cabinet are working on that. congress will need to come to terms with that as well as, you know. i think the most important point, abby, is that most of the country middle class and most of the polling. they -- people need a tax break. also, we need to reduce the rate on job creatorrers. creato. we have encouraged american businesses to park their wealth and jobs overseas. we need to encourage them to keep those factories and plants and american jobs here in america. we're one of six countries that adds an extra draconian tax on our companies just for having the plants for the workers here. bring the wealth back along with the jobs. finally make us more
competitive. we just need an environment that unleashes prosperity. when governor pence in indiana now our vice president, cut taxes in his first 100 days across the board on individuals and employers, it spurred economic growth. it cuts the unemployment rate in almost in half and it created all these new manufacturing jobs in indiana. he also was able to work on other things like deals with japan, trade deals with japan because once you reduce people's tax burdens, you are respecting their ability to keep more of their own money but you are also rewarding employers, job creators, job holders and job seeker also all benefit from the trump tax vision. we're very excited about. this we hope senator joe donefully indiana, who refused to sign that letter, one of three democratic senators refusing to sign chuck schumer's letter about resisting. of course, resisting obstructionists. for a better deal. we hope he will come on board along with other democrats. this should be bipartisan. voters across this country, citizens deserve a tax cut
in every state. steve: we will hear details later on officially. kellyanne, thank you. >> thank you for having me. brian: next stop puerto rico, geraldo rivera on the ground not only with his family but with everybody else trying to get that commonwealth on its feet. wit. one-a-day women's. bp engineered a fleet of 32 brand new ships with advanced technology, so we can make sure oil and gas get where they need to go safely. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better.
steve: we are back with a fox news alert. help is on the way to the puerto rico to help those displaced by hurricane maria. abby: only half of them have drinking water at the moment. 95% of the island is completely without power. brian: some say think will have to rebuild it from scratch. geraldo rivera is back from puerto rico. he has seen the best of times and worst of times. what is it like now, geraldo, any sign of improvement? >> you know, brian, not yet. i say that because the power grid is absolutely destroyed as you indicated. this storm, this series of storms, beginning with hurricane irma that knocked out 70% of the power grid and then the devastating blow from hurricane maria has left this island in the dark ages. nothing works without power. the water cannot be pumped. so people without water out any kind of power there is still a lingering air of devastation here. there is practical help
beginning to trickle in and most dramatic of those assets is the fleet. is the expeditionary strike group based around the uss will kerr a subject. aircraft carrier that right now is steaming off the east end of puerto rico. i had a chance to fly out there as the admiral told m me. rear admiral jeff hughes and his fellow officers. we are here at the request of government of puerto rico and the government of the virgin islands working with the lead federal agency fema to help provide instantaneous response recovery and efforts by those displaced by terrible storms. >> the marines are fighting for us. we exist to fight the nation's wars. in the process of training for that, the skills test we need for this mission fit well. >> this is probably the most professionally rewarding part of what we do as a humanitarian part. of course we can deliver
combat power. but, at the same time, all of those skills for combat power translate to we can do humanitarian assistance. >> the officers tell me that their marines will be accompanying them as they restore power to hospitals throughout this beleeringed, besieged battered commonwealth. on a personal note, we had a wonderful reunion late last night our aunt ellie 84-year-old aunt. my father's youngest sibling. we found her. she was alive and well. without power and without water, but she is healthy and we were delighted. back to you guys in new york. abby: how amazing for them to have seen your face, geraldo. heart warming. brian: of course the president will be there tuesday. congressman brian mast just sent a powerful message to all those anthem protesters with this powerful picture. is he between two american
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devastating that's called the military ops. if we have to take it we will. jillian: the white house is taking quote all the proper measures to protect our allies including south korea and japan. the white house is planning to state the lowest cap in history. president trump expected to limit entry to just 45,000 next year. that's the lowest level of refugee admissions since the cap was introduced nearly four decades ago. president trump told the u.n. more could be done to help refugees in their home countries. those are your headlines. steve. steve: thank you very much, jillian. president trump continuing to sound off on the nfl and its protesting players. >> i was at walter reed hospital recently. and i saw so many great young people and they're missing legs and arms and so badly injured. and they were fighting four our country. they were fighting for our flag. they were fighting for our national anthem. and for people to disrespect
that by kneeling during the playing of our national anthem i think is disgraceful. abby: one of those people he is talking about is our next guest served our great country and serves our country. he fired back at the nfl with this powerful facebook post he says i have taken a knee after jumping out of a hospital as we looked for the enemy, taken a knee in front of the soldiers' cross as we mourned a fallen brother and taken a knee in church. if i player who has taken a knee to protest this great country during its anthem should already be gone. steve: joining us now is u.s. army veteran florida congressman brian mast joins us from our nation's capital. congressman, good morning to you. >> good morning to you. steve: tell us about the picture you posted on facebook along with the sentiment that any player who has taken a knee to protest this country during the anthem should already be gone. >> you know, i took a photo with my son. i try teach all of my children when you are doing the national anthem or the pledge you put your hand
over your heart. they like to do what their dad does. i always render a salute. sometimes they do that as well. we try to instill that kind of patriotism into them. i think that's one of the biggest things that was stolen from all of us as americans as the nfl and these players go out there and they take a knee. they are stealing this moment of historic unity, of patriotism, of celebration where you give your buddy a high five and did you go out and there have a great day. they have taken that from us. that last moment of unity. and i think we have a right to be upset. abby: the president has been very strong on this. he continues to tweet out about about it obviously we knows where he stands. given your service and how you feel about patriotism in this country. do you think the president has handled this the right way. do you think he needs to continual this argument we should not be kneeling during the national anthem? >> i think he is spot on with it he made comments about walter reed. i have a lot of overlap with walter reed. the ideas that are represented here go well beyond my time and service members in walter reed today. i think about people that i
hear about pows from our vietnam war. men like mike christian who literally risked his life just for the chance, just for the opportunity to show respect to our flag. he was a pow. he sewed a american flag on the inside of his shirt. when the guards found it they beat him an inch of his life for doing so. because is he such an american bad ass when they pulled him back in the cell he pulled out bamboo needled and started stitching the american flag. that's the importance of our pledge and anthem and the stars and stripes on our flag. not to be taken lightly. abby: it gives you chills. steve: it does. brian, you are somebody who just the act of standing means something special. >> you better believe it i don't take it for granted one instance. when i was injured i got about 67 plus friends that i see on prosthetics every single day. guys who lost two limbs, three limbs, four limbs,
and, you know, i see pictures of friends of mine that have prosthetic arms still out there rendering a hand salute every single opportunity they get. this is very serious to us. they wear that flag on their soldier. a lot of people think it's facing backward. it's not. it's facing the correct direction it shows us charging forward in battle with that flag on our 140ur8d. that's what it means to us. something very deep and meaningful to anybody who served this country. steve: before did you go real quickly congressman mast, what do you say to people who have the counter point of view and they admire the players for standing and taking a stand -- not standing i mean. >> these players, they are not going to be thrown into a gulag. they are not going to be jaltd. they are not going to be arrested or put in handcuffs. that's the kind of great, amazing nation that we're. they are not going to suffer anything like that. but just as it's their right to go out there and protest, even if i consider it to be hugely distasteful, it's our right to not go out there and watch them play.
it's the right of the owners to go out there and say, if that's the way that you're going to go out there and disrespect your country, you're not going to be a member of this team. abby: congressman. i will never forget that day with you on capitol hill. you are continuing to make a great service to this country. great to see you. >> thank you. steve: it is 7:30 here in new york city. abby: forget luther strange was the biggest loser in last night's runoff. i really mitch mcconnell and the establishment. michelle imagine malkin is coming up next. steve: remember the affluenza teenager too rich to know right from wrong. this is a new one. this teenager claims she is too smart for jail. and the judge said she's right. ♪ ♪
♪ just like fire ♪ world just one day ♪ watch this madness ♪ steve: that is joel. brian: take a bow. steve: there you go. abby: thank you, joel. steve: you just saw the teleprompter it says bring in michelle malkin host of michelle malkin investigates.com. >> good morning, friends. brian: who won and who lost last night? the stats say judge moore was the overwhelming winner over luther strange very magnanimous in defeat. besides that who won and who lost? >> well, this is not a referendum on donald trump. what this was a referendum on was mitch mcconnell and
the swamp king politics of what my colleague at conservative review rob enu calls failure theater. mcconnell and establishment dumped anywhere between 10 or $30 million into a race that is for a safe seat. what this really was about is people in alabama, the voters were disgusted with how luther strange was appointed to this interim appointment. and the shady apparent quid pro quo that took place there between the former governor robert bentley, who was kicked out of office essentially because of corruption, who handed this appointment to then attorney general luther strange in exchange to back off. people don't like that. this was about rejecting business as usual. and the fact is that mcconnell directed and
misdirected all of these funds that should have gone to races where republicans could be challenging democrats. so, the misplaced priorities here. that's what this was a referendum on. abby: do you think that's just in the state of alabama or look bigger picture. we look at these races and say what does this say about the country as a whole? do you think this is a bigger message that a lot of american people are feeling right now, that they want these outsider candidates? because, if anything, he represented trump's brand more than luther strange did. >> he certainly did. and i'm -- i hope and i'm sure that president trump will see that. abby, i think you are right. there is a larger picture and a larger message here. and i would say that the message should be sent clearly and i hope it has to people like jeff flake, who is now contending with an outsider challenger. and other incumbent republicans who have forgotten what their mission, was.
who have forgotten why they were sent to washington in the first place. it's not to get perpetually reelected. it's to represent a specific agenda that grassroots republicans, especially, have sent them to do. that is to limit the size of government, not to expand it endlessly. steve: surely. and keep in mind as well the fact that in alabama donald trump is still wildly popular. just not the guy he endorsed. meanwhile, let's talk about something else. it looks like, forget about politics. let's just talk about the polls. according to a number of polls out today, apparently a majority of americans, michelle, agree with president trump that people should stand during the national anthem. however, there were two democrats who yesterday on the house floor they said, you know what? it's a good time for us to kneel. watch this. >> you tell me which of those children's mothers are a son of a b. that is racism. you cannot deny it. you cannot run for it. and i kneel in honor of them. >> i join so many now in the
nfl and elsewhere in taking takg a knee for america where we inspire to be. >be. steve: we understand the political dynamics of why they would kneel. they weren't kneeling during the pledge. that really is what has rankled the president. >> right. really, virtue signaling has now jumped the shark. and i worry about all of this empty gesture kneeling. there is so much of it i think we are going to have joint pain issues. i think there is going to be a run on glycosamine if we keep going. but, look, i think that's the problem here. and that's why i think essentially the nfl owners and the brass who supported this are going to be in trouble because it's become so confused. what are you protesting? it reminds me when i was in college, there were so many people that would say let me speak. let me speak. and you would say okay what do you want to say?
they would say that's it. [laughter] i mean, right? the race baiting here is particularly toxic and poisoning and that's what was so offensive to so many people. whatever race, whatever color, whatever background. and you take a look at what's happened with these nfl protests. and you have to remember where it started. it started can collin kaepernick a guy who supports cheg, fidel castro and worst black militants who have basic bigotry against our best law enforcement officers in america. that's the problem. brian: here's the other problem. and i thought it was a bigger story last week on wednesday when we saw the 3rd graders take a knee before their pop warner football game. this is the problem. now it's spread everywhere. high school band in oakland decides. steve: the band. brian: the whole band and joined by a catcher from the oakland a's bruce maxwell.
baseball players take a seat. this is the first time i have seen a band take a knee. >> yeah, it is crazy, brian. >> while playing the anthem i should say. abby: that's right. the same time as the anthem. all these people who say we need to fight the power. i say to them you are the power. get up off your knee, get up off your butts and do something about it if you see wrongs in this country. and the fact is there are good faith people across this country of whatever race working with each other to make a difference in this world. rather than take a knee. and engage in the worst kind of empty gesture politics. brian: when you go into the locker room in the nfl what i was always struck by most major league locker rooms. black and white players don't see color. they are teammates. if they could bring that message to schools that need it together. that would be something extremely proactive, our cameras would be there. abby: michelle, how do we
heal? that's a great point brian is spot on there. how do we heal and come together and make it so all of us, blacks, whites, whatever your background is we are all standing for that flag or national anthem? >> well, i would put this back on the resistance and i will tell them to stop smearing people that disagree with them on how to organize society. what the best role of government is stomp calling us white supremacists. stop it. it is ridiculous. accept the results of the election and move on with yours lives. get some therapy, maybe. steve: all right. michelle malkin joining us from colorado. thank you very much. >> you bet. steve: i was talking to somebody who is supposed to sing national anthem major league sporting event in the next couple of days. they said if there is somebody protest, they might not actually sing out anthony. i will go ahead and start as soon as everybody stands. that could be a first.
brian: that would be an interesting. abby: powerful moment. over to jillian for her headlines we are following. jillian: good morning you guys and to you at home as well. we told but the influenza teen let off on manslaughter charges after he said he was too rich to know better. similar case causing outrage in england. walking out of court after a judge called her too bright for prison. the oxford university student and aspiring surgeon walking free after stabbing boyfriend during a drug-fueled frenzy. o.j. simpson could walk out of prison. october 1st is the first possible day of parole after serving nine years behind bars in nevada. is he expected to start his new live in las vegas before eventually moving to florida. he was granted parole in july. he has been serving a 33 year sentence for kidnapping and armed robbery. even little princes get --
britain's prince george all smiles on first day as most kids are. after just a few weeks, it seems the royal is all ready for summer vacation. his dad prince william reportedly telling a fellow parent at morning dropoff that george did not want to go to class. according to a british player, william predicted this would start happening on the first day. one of those like they are just like us. who doesn't get tired of it. brian: he goes to one of those schools where you are not allowed to have best friends. if you get too close to somebody, they make you move your room or classroom. abby: too many germs? brian: exactly. i'm breaking up with you jillian, goodbye. steve: president trump set to unveil big tax reform plan today. what's in it? he is. live with washington with details next. brian: attorney general jeff sessions joining us live. senator rand paul also will be here reflecting back on the healthcare repeal and replace that wasn't. alabama senate runoff winner judge roy moore live. that's a big show.
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we did get an early start! took the kids to soccer practice. you want me to jump that cactus? all right. aah! that lady's awesome. i don't see a possum! brian: 13 minutes before the top of the hour. president trump is headed to indiana to pitch the republicans' new tax plan to the american people. officially unveiled around 11:00 a.m. today. abby: the plan has been in the works for months and expected to include some cuts. steve: we know what's in it but we can't tell you for three more hours. griff jenkins is live in washington. he does have some hints though. griff? >> good morning, guys. i don't know the details, actually. i got some hints. someone who does and has seen the president's speech that he will give a little later in indiana is counselor to the president kellyanne conway who on this program just a little earlier said one of the major goals is just to make it simpler. >> the vision is to make it
simpler. americans spend over 6 billion-dollar man hours a year that would certainly use doing other things. just complying with the code. the code currently favors the wealth i can't understand privileged and connected who can hire attorneys and accountants help them navigate and take advantage of deductions and credits, many of which go away in the donald trump legislative plan. >> kellyanne also said the major goal is reducing the rates and some of what we expect slashing the corporate tax 20% from 35. cut pass through rate 25%. simplify it into three brackets. doubling the standard deduction for everyone. and possible other proposals eliminating the estate tax and alternative minute mum tax. expanding child care tax credits. accelerating business expensing of investments.
reoperatrepatriation earnings. president speaking in indiana. the first test may be house freedom caucus, conservatives, to see whether or not they like it. that of course, is a big test. we learned from when they unveiled healthcare. guys? steve: absolutely right. griff, thank you very much. live report from our nation's capital. brian: oklahoma senator jim lankford says he is introducing a conservative fix for the dreamer program. he is going to give us some details next. take notes. [vo] quickbooks introduces rodney.
for legalization dreamers, migration and deterring future illegal immigration. listen. >> in american law we don't hold children accountable for the actions of their parents. they are caught in between at this point. we don't want to promote illegal immigration. we don't want to say to adults if you bring a child with you when you cross the border illegally you get some sort of reward. but we do want to be able to speak out on how do we actually handle unresolved issue in america right now. brian: so, oklahoma senator james lankford and senator tillis have sponsored a piece of legislation called the succeed act. and he joins us right now to expand on it senator, it's really three phases. if i'm here as a dreamer, what do i do if your act is part of law? first? >> well, you would have to have been already have been here by june of 2012. so let me begin with that we are not trying to incentivize future illegal immigration. we are trying to stop future illegal immigration. we take the dhadz are here that have been here very long time and been here as
kids. we say if you are eligible for this program, then you have to apply background checks, pay taxes, have to prove you are in school or graduated from high school, that you have got a job or that you are joining the united states military. then you earn the ability to be able to have a five-year waiver. that allows to you work, go to school, join the military, travel, but you have to earn that spot for five years. if you have stay free of any kind of crime, you stay employed, you stay in school, then you can renew that at the end of five years. again, we have another check-in at that point. and then step-by-step we work through this process. at the end of that five-year time period then can you then apply for a green card. be able to stay in that status or seek naturalization. the earliest you could have naturalization was 15 years. have you got to earn your way to be able to get there that doesn't disadvantage anyone who is doing it the right way and be able to protect them as well. brian: takes 15 years to get here. once you are here you are accepted. you can get a job, go to school. you don't have to worry about being deported. all right? now when you say stopping chain migration, how do you stop that? if after 15 years i became a
citizen and then people start coming over with me. how do you stop that from taking place? >> so, here's what we do. in the bill itself we outline that there is no special privileges that come to any family member during this 15-year time period that they go through. they do each check five years at a time. there is no special privileges. at the end of that you are right they are united states citizen if they choose to go to that path. many we think will stay in the green card path. if they want to be an american and committed to being an american many students are go through naturalization. at that point they could apply for parents. if their parents are already here. their parents have to return to home country for 10 years before they could apply. if they have been in this country more than a year they are ineligible to be able to have a quick citizenship connection. brian: those who say the dream act out there right now democrats want to pass. keep in mind you told me in the democrats couldn't pass when they had the majority the way it is. they have to make some adjustments. the president tweeted about your plan chain migration did k. not be allowed to
have any immigration. county white house receptive to this because i noticed chuck and nancy were talking a dream deal last week. >> senator tillers and i put out a reasonable solution to how to solve this needs to be solved. more difficult every year. the president and i had a very long phone conversation about two weeks ago where i walked through the details of this bill. what we are proposing. he says that is exactly what i'm looking for on it it's got to be partnered with larger border security, border control. interior enforcement, visa. we absolutely agree with that as well. brian: senator james lankford taking action when a lot of people are waiting for action. we will see how this goes over. thanks, senator. >> thank you. brian: meanwhile, straight ahead, listen to, this taliban launching a major rocket offensive overnight. their target defense secretary james mattis. jeff sessions will join us live. how does he feel about judge moore getting closer to
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steve: i never heard you actually sing. brian: what is so interesting, hour 15 minutes ago this young lady was singing. you mode the cold open. abby: i did. steve: nationwide is on your side. abby: i can't believe i made the cold. we're on the air. you have to remember that. steve: abby in for answer sy. thanks for joining us. abby: fox news alert. taliban claiming responsibility for a rocket attack targeting defense secretary james mattis shortly after landing in afghanistan overnight. brian: lucas tomlinson was able to break the story. he is live at the pentagon with brand new details. i imagine the secretary of defense wasn't rattled as you or i might be if that happened. reporter: that's right, brian. officials tell me the rocket attack on kabul's international airport was couple hours ago. after jim mattis arrived, 40, 45
rockets, rocket-propelled grenades rained down on airport. mattis left by helicopter for meeting with president ghani. short time ago president mattis spoke about attack. >> attack on international airport anywhere in the world is a criminal act by terrorists. it is designed to go after generally innocent people to make some sort of statement and, this is a classic definition of what the taliban are up to right now. we will suffocate any hope that al qaeda or isis, daesh, haqqani or the taliban have winning by killing. i want to reinforce to the taliban the only path to peace and political legitimacy for them is through a negotiated settlement. reporter: officials tell me there were no injuries to u.s. troops. one afghan civilian was killed according to a local report. the taliban are claiming credit for the attack. they said mattis was their target raising serious questions who tipped them off.
the attack happened at:30 a.m. local time. mattis was in india the day before. this is secretary mattis' first trip to afghanistan since president trump announced a new strategy for the 16-year-old war which includes sending 3,000 additional u.s. troops to join 11,000 on the ground. these u.s. troops will serve closer to the front lines with the ability to call in airstrikes. already u.s. jets are increasing number of bombs they're dropping on the taliban and isis full eats in the east. last month the more bombs were dropped more than anytime the last five years. general joe dunford says pakistan needs to stop harboring taliban and haqqani network and giving them sanctuary. one more thing, today marks the anniversary of the taliban taking kabul and later harboring usama bin laden. abby: thanks, lucas. when james mattis speaks you
want to listen closely. brian: hopefully we get action in afghanistan. i want to bring back attorney general jeff sessions. i almost said senator. that was your old gig. welcome, general. >> thank you, brian. brian: you were busy on college campuses. what is the department of justice doing about what many people feel is suffocating feeling on college campuses when it comes to free speech? >> we want to speak out first of all apcall on presidents, trustees, legislators, donors to make sure their colleges are not sufficient foe killing speech. no place in the country should we have more robust discussion than on college campuses. i truly believe in talking to a lot of young college graduates that we have drifted way too far in controlling speech. i wanted to make that point, number one. number two, we can intervene an will intervene in various lawsuits where we believe
students are being constricted in their right to speak out and express themselves. it is a civil right. the department of justice has a duty to defend people's civil rights. steve: mr. attorney general, as you know, you watch tv. it is not all sides that are suffocating being suffocated. it is just one side. look what happened out in california when people have tried to go out to speak at berkley. i think it was ben shapiro, a week or two ago was supposed to go out there. cost him $600,000 to protect the conservative guy simply exercising his freedom of speech. >> right. what we see often is the hecklers veto we call it. that means that a group of protesters raise a ruckus before a speaker comes. often the speech is either canceled or put in secondary location that is not effective. there is a bias, i think,
personally, pretty clearly against conservative speech. ben shapiro, 33-year-old, brilliant, jewish harvard law graduate, they sent out a notice before he came to berkeley and said if it upsets you so badly we will give you counseling for the students who might be faint or something if he spoke there. this is, kind of ridiculous. we need robust, open, debate on college campuses. that is the ideal that has made our universities great. abby: what about the football field? you have said that the nfl players, they should stop kneeling for the national anthem. a lot of critics of yours this morning saying isn't that a symbol of free speech? >> look, i believe that every american should, as a matter of propriety and love of country, should not place their political views in a situation where you don't stand for the pledge or the national anthem.
everybody should do that. the president is exactly right. to say no matter what you think of hillary clinton or president trump, you should stand when the national anthem is played. so he is correct to speak out against that i believe the players should stand. they can make their protests any other place. if the owners allow them, they can speak out i guess on the field. but as a matter of propriety of love of country, an decency, you should stand when the national anthem is played. abby: should there be a rule? we've been debating that this morning. should it be a rule for nfl force the players to stand? new reuters poll said 58% of americans think every player should stand during the national anthem. every american should stand during the national anthem. do you agree with that. >> i think they should stand. it should be a formal rule. they should be able to say to the players, if you are on our
field in our game, paid by us, you should respect the flag and the national anthem. brian: mr. attorney general, also we understand the house republicans yesterday are calling again for a special counsel from the department of justice to look into some disturbing revelations about james comey, hillary clinton and former attorney general lynch. will you answer that call? >> we will absolutely talk with them and respond to them in the appropriate way. i'm not able to discuss investigations now but we will respond appropriately to the congress. brian: but you haven't decided if you will put a second special counselor out there right? because you have mueller working? >> i'm not able to comment where we are on that, brian. steve: let's talk a little bit about this. we know the president of the united states made it clear he is giving congress six months to figure out what to do about the dreamers in this country. yesterday before a brooklyn federal judge, he took a shot at administration, said this ruling, they wanted to extend one of the deadlines, was
heartless. nicholas garfous, said it would be useful to take some pressure off various parties, especially accomplished young people the president speaks of with such admiration. the thing about deadlines, they can be extented. he called the administration heartless. what is your message to that judge regarding the daca "dreamers"? >> first i would say that the order that we have issued and president issued would delay for six months and give congress full time to direct and establish any kind of a policy they want to establish to deal with this situation. i think the judge has a right to adjudicate the law. i do not believe the judge has the right to set policy. i do not believe a judge is politician. he can write his congressman if he would like congress to do a little differently than currently being done. brian: mr. attorney general, i
know you and president were going through a rough patch. he mentioned in alabama the other day, jeff sessions doing a great job. do you feel as though, have you guy heeled a rift that may or may not existed -- healed. >> i'm totally supportive of the president. i love his policies. it's a great honor for me to help at the department of justice to advance constitutional legal policies in accord with his leadership. abby: attorney general, great to have you on this morning. thanks so much. >> thank you. steve: 8:11 right here in new york city right now. jillian has news about a son vicked killer. >> we'll get you caught up on the headlines of this hour. a convicted killer spared by the supreme court for now. justices granting a stay of execution for 59-year-old keith leroy tharpe. the attorneys appealed claiming that the georgia man is intellectually disabled and one of his jurors was racist.
he is convicted of killing his sister-in-law 30 years ago. emanuel sampson admits to shooting, killing a woman and shooting seven others at a parish outside of nashville, tennessee. the 25-year-old immigrant from sudan is charged with criminal homicide. additional charges are expected. major milestone for one of president trump's biggest campaign promises. >> build that wall. build that wall. build that wall. jillian: crews officially breaking ground on prototypes for the wall near san diego. six months, companies will build a total of eight models. president trump will pick the winning design. those are the headlines on wednesday. send it back to you guys. steve: republicans scrapping their vote on health care after four u.s. senator, all republicans would not apparently support it. senator rand paul is one of the
four. we will join brian. brian: buffalo bills taking a knee. one stadium worker taking a stand. quit his job after 30 years. you will hear from him coming up. abby: look in the green room. that is paula dean. cooking recipes from the brand new cookbook. brian: you better run down there. abby: i will run in my heels.
♪ brian: last-ditch effort to repeal and replace obamacare now scrapped as at least four gop senators including our next guest, refused to give their support. here to react, gop kentucky senator rand paul. senator -- >> hi, brian. brian: how do you feel about the latest attempt that failed on the gop side to repeal and replace? do you feel bad how this came out? >> yeah. i would we just would repeal it. i went to tea party rally, after tea party rally. no better opponent of obamacare than myself as a physician. we didn't promise to repale it, and shout, i didn't hear anybody shouting, keep obamacare and divvy it up to the states and mess with the formula so we take money from democrats to give it to republicans. we said we would repeal it. we didn't say repeal it and
block grant it. this was not an effort. this is a fake repeal. we should talk about real repeal. obamacare will get worse. we will get other chances. we should do things good for the country and work with health care, i've been working with the president for six months, assures me will happen next couple weeks. he assures me will legalize sale of cross state insurance through associations. which means any individual, millions of individual in our country will be able to buy insurance through a group, get cheaper prices, and get a better product. brian: can he do that on his own? >> yes. brian: i want to tell you what he wrote the other day. i know you saw this i know it is true. i know rand paul. i think he may find a way to get there for the good of the party. i think you both have said this you guys have become friends. the fact that you didn't get, if he feels let down, do you blame him? >> no. i think this originated more in the senate. the senate really, none of the senators really reached out to try to negotiate on this i did try to negotiate in good faith with the white house.
what i told the white house there were good things this bill. i liked expansion of health savings accounts. i liked giving governors waivers. i liked eliminating mandates and block grants. if you give us a narrow focus, i'm yes. i just, i couldn't in good conscience vote to just keep the obamacare taxes and keep the obamacare spending and reshuffle it to the states. brian: rand, do you understand how the american people are unbelievably frustrated right now? i'm not just talking about republicans but, you guys got the mandate to get something done and you're not getting anything done? >> yeah. but we promised to repeal it. so the onus or blame, if you want to give blame to anyone to those who changed their mind. we all voted in 2015, every republican save one in the senate voted to repeal obamacare. we had that identical vote. seven people changed their votes. that, sr. with the pressure need to come. we need to keep our promise. repeal obamacare. if you want to talk about free
market reforms, replacement can be free markets reform, legalizing choice i'm all for it. first thing you do keep your promise. keep your pledge to voters, that is to repeal obamacare. brian: senator, i can't get into detail now. the president will speak about the long-awaited tax reform. what do you know about it? what bothers you most? what do you like the most? >> i'm with the president it ought to be a significant tax cut. he has been talking about 15% corporate income tax. i'm all for it. i think we should stick to our guns there. the swamp, establishment will try to get 25%. it will wind up 30% because they don't know anything about negotiating. let's do 15%. ireland is 12. canada is 17. most of europe is in the low 20s. be the shining city on the hill with the lowest tax rates. brian: right. >> be 15%. encourage businesses to stay here and grow. brian: looks like it is 20, president wants 15. word is he is not that excited what he got. we'll see what happens.
senator rand paul thank you. >> thank you. brian: straight ahead he fled to communist hungary with his family. legally became immigrant to the united states. he became the giants all time leader scorer.
>> good so be here. it is wonderful. steve: as we get started, we need to recognize the fact you pretty much are the guy who changed the way people kicked the ball in football. >> about a years. my brother charlie and i changed the game of kicking. we didn't have any soccer teams here in high school. so the next best thing was to kick american football soccer style. steve: rather than kick with front of your foot, with the instep. >> i should have patented it. everybody else doing it now. steve: seems like there are a lot of players these days doing it, we're talking about protesting. when you, pete gogolak, watch these young men on the field of football take a knee during the pledge, rather the anthem, what does that say to you? >> steve it really brothers me. i have to be here as old player, played for the new york giants, and i have to defend and support
the guys who had courage to stand up for the national anthem. i can't believe this is happening, this divisive thing happening in this country. when i look at that flag, it, to me, america stand for courage and, and the people who gave their lives, the ultimate sacrifice, to, so we could be free and strong. in europe, in the jungles of vietnam, in the middle east, that is why, and that is why i look at the flag. steve: when you look at images of players kneeling during the anthem, you find that very upsetting? >> it really bothers me. if i would have done that back in '50s and 60's, the people from the stands would come down on the field and probably beat me up. if i would have time to go to
the locker room, my teammates would have taken care of me. it was unheard of. steve: one of the things you told me a moment ago during the commercial break the fact that the reason the flag is so important to you, it is the fabric of our nation. to you and your family it represents so much opportunity that you did not have in -- >> we never had that. escaped from communist europe, under a communist dictatorship. we had the good fortune to come to this country. i was 15. my brother charlie was 12, my mother was pregnant with the youngest brother john, escaped across the austrian-hungary border. we had good fortune to come here. this country embraced and opportunities that happened to us is absolutely wonderful. steve: sure. what is the message to the young men playing the game, taking a knee what they are doing? they feel they have got the right. they certainly started a national dialogue about it.
>> i don't think they understand what the flag stands for. i do. i think young men, pittsburgh steelers in the tunnel who had -- steve: villanueva. >> three tours overseas, he understood what the flag stands for. when i was on the sidelines, yankee stadium, in front of 60,000 people and listened to national anthem, looking at the flag, i just said to myself, how lucky i am. goosebumps. pinched myself to play this wonderful game. pick up a check after the game which was not like but it was pretty substantial. so i say to these young guys, it is fine to protest, but please don't do it in the stadium with the flag and national anthem. they're making a lot of money. save the money, start a foundation and express their grievances, or support a community thing, so i, i hope
that is direction they should go. >> we'll see what happens. pete gogolak. honor to have you. >> thank you. steve: thank you, sir. meanwhile it was supposed to be a place for protesters to escape chaos. instead a brawl erupts an empathy tent. not kidding. wait until you hear all this all played out. the heated alabama senate runoff coming to an end. conservative outsider, roy moore, beating the president's pick luther strange. well the judge is here for his first interview on the other side of a quicktime out. ♪
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the swamp. what was it about your message you think really resonated with the people in alabama? >> i think the people of alabama know me, and they understand what i stand for. i certainly support president trump's agenda and that, yes, i'm an outsider, not part of the establishment. brian: a lot of people equate what you're doing, what senator rand paul, has series of beliefs, how he will vote and hard to get to compromise. for example, if you were in the senate and that, the block grant program graham and cassidy put forward was out there, would senator moore have voted for it? >> well, i think i would have stood with rand paul. i think it is socialized medicine at best. it is not, transferring it to states, not getting you out of the business of socialized medicine which what we promised to repeal obamacare. we should repeal it. steve: let me ask you this, judge. how big of a factor was when the
former governor, robert bentley, was being investigated, he was being investigated by the attorney general at that point. it was luther strange. and then the governor turned around and appointed luther strange to fill the open jeff sessions seat? i know in the final days of the campaign you were trying to suggest that there was something suspicious going on there. is that how you feel? >> well, anytime you're investigating someone and then take a favor there is reason to be questioned. for me it was a big factor to the people, i don't know you have to get to them. abby: what do you think about the president? he didn't throw his support behind you. you say you agree with much of what he stands for. he was on the ground in alabama campaigning hard for your opponent, luther strange. he tweeted out a number of times? what is your take on that, not being the president's guy when you feel like you sign up so closely with so many of the things he briefs? >> i don't think the president knew me. i think when he gets to know me
understands that i do support a very conservative agenda in this country. i think he will back me. i receive ad call from him. that is what he said he would do. brian: go ahead. abby: what did he say to you? >> he said he would support me. i think he will. brian: yeah it was a shorter call. i'm sure you have some in the future. you have one more lap, and democrats feel, many feel that you're vulnerable, that they might pour money in to take you on before the december election. what is your reaction. >> polls show otherwise. we'll show them when we get to the general election. very much prepared for it. brian: everything you accomplished, i know you have been in the headlines a lot, the ten commandments and everything. you advanced through the runoff this summer. now you win against luther strange, one lap to go. where does this rank? >> this is very big step. it has been very much opposed. we had 30 million plus dollars
out of washington, d.c., trying to control the vote of the people, it didn't work. people of alabama can't be bought. they stood and voted, here we are today. brian: do you worry about working with mitch mcconnell, if he was that determined he didn't you didn't get this seat? >> as long as he stands for conservative agenda and what we promised people as republicans i will work with anyone. steve: next stop, democrat doug jones. the winner of last night's special election down in alabama. judge roy moore, thank you for joining us live. >> thank you very much. abby: let's go to jillian for other headlines. jillian: let's get you caught up on the news this morning. starting with this story, a bus driver narrowly missing plowing into a crowd of kids after getting slammed by a car. incredible video showing the transit bus jump ad curb, showing children running for their lives. the driver trying to regain control after the car crossed
central lines. they're trying to determine if the car's driver was distracted. four people are under arrest after a fight breaks out at the uc berkeley empathy tent. [shouting] conservative students and leftist activists brawling at a campus rally. the event in response to cancellation of free speech week. berkeley's empathy tent was supposed to be a place for protesters to calm down in the middle of the chaos. apparently, as you can see, it didn't work. i threw my hat on the ground and walked out. a security guard who spent 30 years working for buffalo bills, quit in disgust over national anthem protests. earlier he explained his decision. >> i took the stand for me, because this is what i believe. my friend and family support me. my father's a korea war vet. he called me sunday night. he was in tears. he was so proud of me.
jillian: he says he will never walk into new era stadium again or watch the nfl until the protests stop. a rogue pig brings rush-hour traffic to a standstill. police hot on his tail. this is near the east coast of virginia. the police catching the big guy who they say is probably someone's pet. not something you see every day. steve: what is it? jillian: that is a pig. a lot of people have pigs. steve: didn't george clooney have a potbelly for a while. brian: he got married and. steve: grow up in kansas we turned them into bacon. >> bacon! steve: week cooking with sausage with paula dean. janice dean outside of the our headquarters. >> first time in weeks we're not talking about a hurricane potentially could be so destructive. we have maria off the east
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sinister plan fell flat. a crook wearing a coca-cola costume breaks in to rob a kentucky restaurant. police say he was armed, swiped 500 bucks. no one was hurt. wash the story down with this, inmate takes a mug shot, snacking on a baloney sandwich. how many people would do that. i haven't had baloney since 1974. a sheriff's office in north carolina says the guy bass hungry, according to reports, heavily under the influence, i imagine. deputies made him a sandwich. why not. they later had him take another photo without a sandwich. we'll follow him. steve: switching gears to a fox news alert. help is on the way for the island of puerto rico. american military forces deploying to the island to help those whose lives have been completely devastated by hurricane maria. abby: only half the people living there have drinking water. 95% of the island is completely
without power. brian: geraldo rivera first-hand live from puerto rico on the recovery expert, the recover effort. hey, geraldo. >> hey, brian, ainsley, steve. yes the search-and-rescue, the most emergent of the needs for puerto rico, that phase, the search-and-rescue phase, even the medical evacuation phase, those are well underway, if not over by now. now comes the grunt work. you indicated that three great need in puerto rico now. there is no cell phone service. there is no communications. people don't know how their relatives have fared. so they're desperate, even in my family, it find out how people are. so you need communications. you need electricity. virtually this entire island is without electricity. much of the fresh water is pumped by electricity. so many, many people, well over half, have no fresh water. these are very, very difficult situations, and the fleet has
arrived, the marines have landed as you indicated to bring that kind of help, the bulk commodity help. i went out by chopper to the aircraft carrier cursage. at the aircraft carrier we spoke to rear admiral hughes in charge of expeditionary force. some of the ships officers and marine corps officers sending teams ashore, to get the island back, plugged in. it is in the dark ages. here is admiral hughes. >> nothing makes us more proud than to be down here to help those going through such a tough time. if it was us going through a similar situation people would be there for us. >> people can not get out to get food and water they need, or get to hospital or ems get to them. we go ascharre with the seabees from the navy and chainsaws, start to clear out. >> that is a mission the american people are probably not
exposed to, when they think of navy, hey, we're going in with combat power but this is strong mission set of ours. >> soon as i finish our conversation this morning we'll go out and following marines around as they clear roads, they bring generators, they try to restore power. they will start with the priorities or the hospitals, so we'll be with the marines. last night on a personal note, we tracked down another of our missing aunties, aunt ellie. youngest of my father's 16 siblings. she was out of communications with our family. we were desperately worried about her. we found her last night. her home has a tree through it. she has been sitting in the dark there with some other relatives. we'll go to saw down the tree that blocks her road later today. so big and small, the big picture, the marines have landed on personal note. the rivera family coming together and rallying from this
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Congressman-brian-mastJames-mattisGroundNewsTalibanResponsibilityDefense-secretaryMarinesFirstSoundFox-news9-11>> let's bring in our leadoff panel for this friday night. franco ordonez, white house correspondent for mcclatchy newspapers, covering immigration and foreign affairs. "the new york times" katie benner, pulitzer prize-winning reporter who covers the justice department. and yamiche alcindor, white house correspondent for "news hour" on pbs. thanks to all of you for being with us. katie, let me start with you. we have that reporting tonight about some movement on that issue of reunifying parents with children, at least some of them. you cover the justice department, the legal end of this. it sounded like there was still plenty of confusion when that executive order was issued the other day by the president about what that was actually going to allow in terms of reunification. how clear is that now? >> absolutely. so as you say, this was another self-inflicted wound by the trump administration not thinking through clearly enough a directive before issuing it. so we saw a lot of confusion last night. there was a meeting at the white house where people argued back and forth for at least 90 minutes about what to do.
things do seem to have clarified somewhat. at the heart of this, the justice department helped draft the executive order, so they believe that their legal interpretation of this is correct, which is based around what they are calling a zero tolerance policy for people crossing the border illegally. then other components including border patrol, dhs, has pushed back and said we just don't think we can do both. we cannot keep families together and continue to do zero tolerance. today it seems like we got the components together and that they did come to somewhat more of a position where they're all on the same page hewing more closely to zero tolerance. >> it seems the president on this, especially after issuing that executive order, trying to talk about other facets of the immigration issue, maybe change the subject, maybe throw more balls in the air. let's look at those different components. franco, to you, on the political component on capitol hill, where you had the president there a couple days ago talking to republicans carrying the message of, hey, i'm with you. get some immigration reform. let's get this done.
then today going on twitter and saying, you know what, democrats are just getting in the way. we can't do anything until after november anyway. politically on capitol hill, what were the odds of some action taking place on immigration between now and the election, and what are the odds now after that tweet from donald trump? >> i mean the odds were pretty low before. it was a heavy lift from the start. that's why the moderate proposal was punted supposedly to the next week in the first place. but then when trump issued that tweet, it really let the air out of any more energy. i thought of all the members that spoke in that clip that you shared, mark sanford, i thought, of south carolina was the most honest in saying, look, it's going to be really hard to do it now. let's remember that paul ryan and other leaders at the beginning of this debate said they need trump's support. they need his backing. we don't want to bring anything to the floor unless we know for
with what his base is looking for? >> well, his base is looking for exactly what the president did today. he took that message of america first and really made it something that was about whether or not you support these -- asking the question really, do you support migrant kids in cages, or do you support families whose loved ones have allegedly been killed by undocumented immigrants? he posed that question to his base. they chose -- they choose america. they choose this idea that you have to not look at these kids in cages and be appalled, that you have to instead pivot and look at these families. the fact that he continually said these are families that are permanently separated from their loved ones, making light of the fact that being separated from your child for a month or two months or even eight months in some cases, that that's not as hard as your child being gone forever. so there's this idea that he really wanted to get back to his roots because this week was really, really tough for the president. he does not step back. he does not take back his
actions. and this week he had to actually say, you know what? he had to admit on paper in an executive order that this was not something that could work out, that he had to actually undo a policy that he thought was going to deter undocumented immigrants. so i think that the president was feeling a little wounded, and as a result he did this. i talked to a white house official a couple hours ago who said that the president still supports both of the bills that are in the house, but that person is saying that on background, not wanting to put their name on the record. and the president is not tweeting that out. he's not saying, hey, i still am excited about these two bills. i hope that they pass. instead he's really saying you're wasting your time. let's just make it a midterm issue. >> that's the interesting thing, yamiche. i think it was ryan costello, republican congressman from pennsylvania -- actually he's not running again. he got a tough break there in the redistricting and said, that's it. i'm not going again. he's been a little more outspoken since then maybe. his reaction to what you just said from donald trump today was he said, hey, the calculation is clear here. the president just wants to be
blaming democrats rhetorically. is there a strategy that you see between now and november that's not about policy, not about legislation, about the rhetoric of the campaign? >> i think so. i think this president wants to say if you want stronger immigration laws, if you want to actually get something done, that you need to have more republicans. the white house official today talked to me and said that republicans don't have enough of a majority. there's this idea that everyone knows that republicans have control of both the presidency, the house, and the senate. but now they're saying we don't have enough republicans to get things through and we need to get rid of some more of these democrats. i think that's really important because the president also sees that democrats were having a really tough time and are still having a really tough time getting a message together. but kids in cages really grabbed the attention of the whole nation, and even republicans who have never really criticized the president, came out and said this is wrong. paul ryan, all these other
republicans on capitol hill, evangelicals that are backing the president because of his stance on abortion and neil gorsuch on the supreme court, they said we cannot have this. so the president needs to get this narrative back. the way he wants to do that is by making a midterm issue. >> franco, what yamiche is describing does strike me when you look at the polling, the public opinion polling out there. you look at the question of family separation, kids being separated at the border, parents being held for some sort of court proceeding, even among republicans, trump's base, you see it split in half there. then you see wide opposition outside of that. but then when the issue shifts back to this sort of underlying, so-called zero tolerance policy as the trump administration frames it, where, you know, it's this question of anybody crossing the border illegally, should they be held? should she be jailed awaiting some kind of trial, some kind of legal proceeding? should the families be held
together in detention while that happens, there is in these polls a lot more support there. it seems the politics of this maybe get more complicated once you get away, if you get away from the family separation issue we've talked about this week. >> no doubt. i couldn't agree more with yamiche, who is about how the trump administration is trying to kind of rewrite the narrative this week. it was a really difficult week, and, you know, earlier in the week obviously some of his base was kind of being chipped away. you know, it was just a few days ago that the administration, steve miller, the allies were saying, we're going to stick to our guns. we're going to keep doing this. you know, 24 hours after that, he's signing this executive order. why? you know, he got so much of affront from members of his own party. i want to say particularly one of the more sensitive one was members of his loyal base. the christian, the religious community, folks like franklin graham, who stood out, who have usually been so loyal to this president, stepped out and talked about these issues and said this was not right. it was a really fascinating turn.
you saw sessions going on christian broadcast network saying, well, i didn't really mean that we wanted to separate the children and the parents. so it really was a fascinating turn of events for this administration. they backtracked completely. now trump is obviously hitting back hard, blaming illegal immigrants for a lot of issues and saying there's a whole different world of separation of u.s. citizens. so it's quite interesting. >> katie, it seems that maybe the next phase, if there is a next phase in this, could become a dispute over this question of, okay, if going forward you're not going to have this policy of holding the adults and then after, you know, 21 days releasing the kids, separating the kids from the adults, then a dispute over what do you do then where the trump side is saying, you detain the families together awaiting a court ruling. and i've seen democrats saying, kamala harris, the dnc put out a statement saying, no, no, no. you don't detain. you don't hold anyone.
i think it's been reduced to this catch and release term. from a legal standpoint, i know we've got this consent decree from a few years ago hanging over all this. but if the trump administration decided to go down that road of family detention, legally how much latitude do they have there? >> so let me unpack this in two parts. the consent decree that you mentioned, yes, the justice department has asked a judge in california to modify a consent decree temporarily. this is the decree that makes it very difficult to detain parents and children together. what they want the judge to allow is for children to allow to be detained in i.c.e. facilities, which currently they are not. only adults are. that would keep them together. then they're hoping congress does some sort of permanent fix. but obviously it's clear that is not going to happen. so that is the consent decree portion. then the other is -- and i think is one of kamala harris' concerns, is that if we can pave a way legally for parents and children to be detained, it's indefinite.
then what do we have at the border? what do we have all over the country? we would have detention centers where whole families are held but there is no 21-day limit. we know the immigration courts, the prosecutions are backed up. it's going more slowly than people would like despite the prosecutors who have been moved to the border to take care of some of these criminal cases. i think the worry is we would be paving the way for indefinite detention of families, which is a very different issue and just as disturbing for a lot of democrats. >> when we talk about the complexity of polling, the polling showed when you give voters a choice of how to handle families in these situations, crossing the border illegally, the idea of detaining the family together was runaway the first choice of democrats and republicans. it raises the question if you introduce that word "indefinite" in front of that, how does that scramble the way people think about it? a lot of layers to this here.
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the crisis at the border, pressure on president trump's former fixer has been mounting. this week, we saw reports that michael cohen is considering flipping, and we learned he wants the president to foot the bill for his legal fees. cohen also quit the rnc and openly criticized trump's immigration policy. and now we're learning new details about trump's cozy relationship with the "national enquirer." "the washington post" reporting the tabloid sent stories about trump to cohen for approval before they went to print. then this photo posted on twitter. cohen seen smiling with trump's celebrity enemy, tom arnold, who is working on a new show focused on obtaining damaging trump tapes. arnold further fueled speculation tonight that cohen may be working against his former boss. >> i'm going to spend the weekend with michael cohen, and the president, donald trump,
ivanka trump, i'm spending the weekend hanging out with michael cohen. and there's a lot going on. >> did michael cohen tell you specifically, yes or no, that he is cooperating with the authorities should charges be brought? >> did he tell you? do you not want to answer the question? >> no. >> you don't want to answer the question? >> right. >> cohen then downplayed the claims on twitter tonight, writing, this was a chance public encounter in the hotel lobby where he asked for a selfie. not spending the weekend together. did not discuss being on his show. nor did we discuss potus. #done. #ridiculous.
just in the last hour on this network, tom arnold was back at it and discussing cohen and his alleged cooperation in an interview with lawrence o'donnell on "the last word." >> michael cohen is cooperating on the right side of this right now. >> and the right side, does that include the fbi and the -- >> yes. >> -- prosecutors? so he's cooperating with them already? >> yes, 100%. >> and how do you know that? he told you that? >> he didn't say those words, but i know that. >> what were the words he said? >> i know people are -- >> to indicate that? that's okay. i understand. >> um, i'm with you. you know that. >> cohen is under federal investigation in connection with $130,000 payment of hush money to porn star stormy daniels. her attorney weighed in on this network earlier today. >> perhaps this is a flare gunshot in the air for michael cohen, you know, a message to mr. trump or others that there may be things coming down the pike.
there is no doubt in my mind that michael cohen is going to be indicted and face some very, very serious charges. there's no doubt in my mind that he's going to try to trade or flip on this. >> here with us tonight, mimi rocah, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, now a distinguished fellow in criminal justice at the pace university school of law and msnbc legal analyst. and josh gerstein, senior white house reporter for politico. questions i didn't think i'd be asking on an 11:00 news show on msnbc a couple years ago, but let's talk about tom arnold. >> let's. >> he's hinting in an awful lot in an interview on this network earlier tonight, on cnn, hinting in that clip and other parts of that interview, his antics we played seemed erratic, the incentive he has to hype interest in this special he's got coming out seems obvious. i'm a layman legally. i'm curious watching that interview tonight, watching these interviews, what did you make of it?
>> look, it's hard to know what he -- he didn't actually come out and say it, right? so even when he was asked, is he cooperating by lawrence, he said -- arnold said he's on the right side. but then when he asked about the exact words, the words were about "i'm with you." cohen saying to arnold "i'm with you," which doesn't say anything about what he's doing with the government. but it doesn't answer the question that lawrence had asked, which is, is he cooperating with the government, right? so, you know, there's a lot of sort of -- it's good tv. there's a lot of different things that arnold has said. one thing i know for sure, and this is not the point of what he's saying. but i know for sure that cohen's new lawyer, guy petrillo, and the prosecutors and the fbi do not want tom arnold out there doing what he's doing right now, okay? because if michael cohen is headed in the direction of cooperating with them, they don't want tom arnold talking about what cohen is also telling
them out on television, and they don't want cohen then, you know, on twitter saying, no, that's not true, and arnold saying, no, what you're saying isn't true. you know, it's hurting -- it could potentially hurt the credibility of what may be a very important witness if you start getting into this twitter-fest about what someone did or didn't say and what someone is or isn't doing. cooperation is meant to be a confidential process. even if someone isn't cooperating proactively. so i know at least, you know, cohen's attorney is probably counseling cohen to not do this, especially given the attorney that he now has, guy petrillo, former prosecutor. i know him. you know, a very honorable, good lawyer, upstanding person, well thought of, well respected. he would not, i don't think, be in favor of this. so, you know, it's hard to know what to make of arnold saying all of this. i think all that said, though, cohen has a lot of incentive to cooperate. so i don't think it's beyond the realm at all that he is at least headed in that direction.
cooperation right now wouldn't mean obviously that he's going in court tomorrow or anytime soon and pleading guilty. it may mean that he's already possibly -- i don't know this -- started talking, you know, with them informally or formally or it may just mean that's where he's headed. you know, that's the direction he's going in. and that makes sense because, remember, the judge has basically adopted the special master's findings, you know, which say that almost nothing is privileged. so all of that evidence that was seized is coming in. and so, you know -- against cohen. so that evidence, and we're just starting to hear about more and more crimes that they're obviously looking at, and i'm sure there is more to come. so he's under a lot of pressure to cooperate. >> and, josh, i mean i'm just curious. somebody who knows what you're talking about when it comes to this story and watched what tom
arnold had to say, where does your interpretation fall on that scale of, you know, kind of hype or something erratic on one side versus something real on the other side? where is the balance for you? >> well, i do think that what tom arnold was saying in these several interviews has to be taken with more than a grain of salt, probably with at least a full tablespoon or more. but there is this element here where you do get the sense that michael cohen is sometimes trolling president trump, you know, that he could have taken the opportunity not to have a selfie taken with arnold, but he went ahead and did it. and in some of these comments and interactions seems kind of playful. it does seem like a degree of attention-seeking with respect to the president, like there's some kind of deep-seated psychological grievance or neediness there. whether that's part of a legal strategy or some other kind of psychological issue is hard to say. the last time i checked in with people close to cohen, the word was that he was not cooperating with federal prosecutors, that
he was open to talking with them about it, but that those discussions had not progressed to the point that anybody could describe as actively cooperating. >> and i think there was one point in that interview tonight when arnold said something to the effect, paraphrasing here, of, hey, i'm overselling this interaction with cohen a little bit, but he's underselling it. he's very much underselling it. cohen is very much underselling it. so i think arnold had said something to that effect at one point. josh, related to the issue of michael cohen, then, and the legal situation he finds himself in, there were also some court filings, or there was a court filing today that shed a little bit more light on the documents the government now has in its possession. what can you tell us about that? >> i think mimi was alluding to it just a moment ago. it talked about the judge and the special master's decision on how many information is privileged here. what was fascinating in this order that judge wood put out was that even among the relatively small universe of information they decided was privileged, the vast majority of
it seemed to have nothing to do with either president trump or the trump organization or any other clients like folks like sean hannity, for example. the stuff that was deemed privileged seems to be legal advice that michael cohen was getting from other lawyers about michael cohen's personal exposure or other legal matters and very, very little of it has to do with any clients. so the total amount that's going to be withheld from prosecutors that could potentially be relevant to president trump is an infinitesimal fraction, probably on the order of a tenth of 1% or a hundredth of 1% of the material that's been processed so far. >> any sense on the timetable on this? all the speculation is there going to be some kind of deal, some kind of cooperation, some kind of flipping? is that we find out when we find out, or are there any clues we can kind of discern here when we get an answer to that? >> well, we find out when they want us to find out.
i mean, even once he goes down that road if he goes down the road of cooperation, we may not know it. now, michael cohen is unusual because he does like the attention and wants to talk. they won't want him to confirm to anyone if he is cooperating, they being the government, and his lawyer i'm sure would try to tell him not to. but i don't know if he can help himself. the truth is a sign might be -- i expect michael cohen to get charged now that this discovery process is coming to an end. one would think the next step would be him getting charged. if for some reason charges aren't filed, that would be a sign to me that there are discussions going on. now, it doesn't have to be cooperation. they could be discussions about a plea without cooperating, right? like he hired guy petrillo. you know, hiring an alum from the office is someone who can help him navigate the office. whether you go down the cooperation road, meaning giving information in exchange for something, you know, which you get from the government -- it's
called a 5k letter -- or just negotiating a plea agreement that's favorable to him so that he can, you know, try to spend less time in jail than he otherwise would if he went to trial. so he has the same options available to him that any defendant has once he's charged. and even if he's not charged, you can start that negotiation process. so if those charges aren't filed relatively soon, that would be a sign that he's trying to negotiate something. again, i think we have to be careful about, you know, assuming we know what that something is yet. >> but if we don't hear anything, we can suspect something, perhaps. mimi rocah, josh gerstein, thank you both for being with us. up next, president trump is talking about a red wave in november. do the numbers say one could be forming? going to head over to the big board and find some answers there when "the 11th hour" comes right back. oh, you brought butch. yeah! (butch growls at man) he's looking at me right now, isn't he? yup.
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that's usually the question. trump suggesting something else. so let's see a red wave. the possibility. well, one thing trump talks about is he says republicans need 60 votes in the senate because of the filibuster. he's always reminding audiences. he did this the other night at his rally. he said we republicans, we only have 51. we really need 60. well, look, on paper here's the thing in the senate this year. there are ten democratic seats up that are in states that donald trump won, that he carried in 2016. trump state democrats. you can do the math. you win ten of those, you win nine of those, you got your 60, you got your 61. so what kind of gains? are there actual gains that republicans are poised to get in these seats? well, guess what? in the last week we have got a deluge of polling in these trump states that are held by democrats. let's show you what we're seeing. first one is best news for republicans i think on the senate front. north dakota. a state that donald trump won by 36 points in 2016.
there you go, kevin cramer, the congressman from that state, he leads heidi heitkamp, the trump state democrat, in this new poll by four points. so if that is what the election looked like, that's a republican pickup. west virginia, trump won this state by 42 points in 2016. republicans say, my god, he won it by 42. we got to be able to take out joe manchin, the democratic incumbent. yet first poll after the republican primary, patrick morrisey, republican nominee, nine points behind manchin. this name, don blankenship, he said he's going to run third party. after losing the republican primary, he may have to go to court to do that. with him or without him in this poll, manchin was up there by a high single digit margin. that one is good news for democrats. this one, very good news for democrats. we've seen other polls that are much different than this. but here's bill nelson, the democratic incumbent, leading governor rick scott by ten in florida. this is one if this is the start of a trend, that's the thing we want to see. are there going to be more polls in florida that look like this, or is the next poll going to look more like the others we've
seen which have shown a much closer race. democrats look at that and say, you hope it's the start of something. you look at pennsylvania. trump won this thing by a very small margin in 2016. bob casey, the democrat is looking in very good position in pennsylvania. in montana, jon tester, democratic incumbent. this is trump by 20 in this state. tester, high single digit lead. that would be encouraging for democrats. ohio, very encouraging for democrats. jared brown comfortably ahead. we don't have the numbers for it, but wisconsin, tammy baldwin running again. trump won by a very narrow margin. republicans haven't had their primary yet, but the polling matched up baldwin against both possible republicans, they led by around 10 points in each. that encouraging for democrats too. basically go back to that map. remember, republicans wanted to get a bunch of these because they're trump states. what's taking shape right now in the early polling? north dakota, that as ripe a target as it looked at the start of the cycle for republicans. we don't have the new numbers
but missouri is still looking like a top target. indiana is looking like a top target. not so much pennsylvania. not so much ohio. not so much wisconsin. haven't had a new one in michigan, but if these really close states from '16 are solid democratic leads now, michigan probably not likely. democrats surprisingly strong in west virginia but still republicans would like to make ball games out of these, and florida kind of a wild card. so the possibility here for, you know, a couple republican pickups, not a wave of republican pickups, nothing like 60. maybe enough to keep the senate, but you know it's funny. you talk about midterm elections always going against the party that's in power. the republicans playing defense because they're the party in power in the white house. if hillary clinton had won in 2016, every single one of these democratic incumbents would be in danger right now. it's the nature of midterms. and the idea of republicans getting near that 60-seat mark probably would be real. now, though, with trump, trump midterm, republicans will be very happy if they could pick up, you know, two seats, one
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this november. columnist george will left the republican party as donald trump won the nomination of the gop in 2016. he writes today in a piece titled "vote against the gop this november," quote, the family-shredding policy along the southern border, the most telegenic recent example of misrule, clarified something. occurring less than 140 days before elections that can reshape congress, the policy has given independents and temperate republicans fresh if redundant evidence for the principle by which they should vote. the principle -- the congressional republican caucuses must be substantially reduced. joining me now is toluse olorunnipa, white correspondent for bloomberg. thank you for joining us. let's start on this george will column because he is a longtime trump critic, and i'm wondering if the reaction he's having to this week's events and the way he phrased it today, if it reflects changes yet to come in the republican party. more disaffection from people like george will yet to reveal
itself, or if this is something at this point that's already baked in. the folks that were going to say, hey, donald trump, what he's offering, what he's selling, that's not real conservatism, that kind of argument. if they were going to be off the ship by 2016, and if they're not off by now, they're not going to get off. >> well, we have seen the president really double down on his base, those core supporters who are going to be with him no matter what. we have not seen him actually try to expand that base. and to win elections and to win midterms, you do need to expand that base. and when you're losing people, longtime conservatives like george will. we saw steve schmidt, the campaign manager in 2008 on the republican side, decide he's leaving the party and encouraging republicans to vote for democrats. we're hearing from mark sanford and even senators like bob corker saying that the republican leadership in congress has become sort of a cult of trump. that's a sign that the president is not adding the support that he needs to his base in order to win in the midterms, that he's really doubling down as we saw
during the event today with the immigrant families on divisive policies, divisive issues that appeal to a very small minority within his base but do not expand the majority he's going to need to hold congress, to hold the house. that's very clear that the president's really looking to continue to double down, continue to focus on divisive policies when people in his party would rather have him focus on the fact that this is a six-month anniversary of the tax cut bill. there was no, you know, celebration at the white house about cutting taxes, something that could appeal to the suburban voters that he's going to need this november. instead he's turning off a lot of suburban voters with his divisive rhetoric. >> i take your point, and it's clearly very base-centric and not at all what we would traditionally say. this is a president reaching out to the quote-unquote middle. at the same time i was struck when you talk about going after that base. his approval rating when you looked at inside the numbers from gallup and compare him to all modern presidents, with his own party, no president except
bush a few months after 9/11 has been stronger with his own party in an approval rating at this point in his presidency than trump is right now. i do wonder if there's a possibility that that in some way makes up for maybe not completely, but makes up politically in some way for not reaching out traditionally to the middle. that that level of intraparty support could pad what might otherwise be very, very severe losses in november. >> see, that's a good point. that's part of the reason the president was able to get elected, because he was able to bring home republicans. he was able to bring home a number of people within his party who weren't necessarily happy with the way he expresses himself or with his approach to politics, a sort of hard-edged approach to taking on his opponents. but they decided to hold their nose and vote for him. what we have seen is republicans have been happy with a lot of policies he's passed whether it's tax cuts or deregulation. but he needs not only those republicans, he needs to build on that coalition by adding independents.
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