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federal court. the bottom line is, he is toast! there is nothing he can do -- [laughs] >> i was gonna say screwed. there is a consistency problem here. you can say many times, in public, on television, there was all kinds of things in those boxes. i dont know what was in those boxes. so its very hard to get from -- at and have any idea what was in the boxes, to, i know they planted things. do you agree with that? >> i completely agree. judge dearie is a no nonsense judge. hes not going...

>> well its fascinating, joining, now jim ruttenberg writer at large for the new york times, and jonathan mueller, a staff writer for new york times magazine, our consulting produces firmer talks and part of influence, and the series interviews theyre exclusive reporting, and happy to have them here. thanks so much, i appreciate it, jimmy to start with, you the largest media empire in history, give us some perspective of how big and powerful, and profitable of the murdoch family empire is. >> ju...