call a nondenial denial. he was asked specifically, is there a recording device in the oval office of the president of the united states. he said i have nothing for you on that. he could have said no. he could have said yes. he said i have nothing for you on that. that is a nondenial denial. it may just be that the president is trolling the press corps and saying work yourself into a frenzy about this and turns out it nothing. why would he do that? why would he want to decrease the credibility which is already in question of this white house and comments made from that podium? seems to me that you re playing a very dangerous game with the currency of the credibility of the president of the united states. shepard: this first came up in the context of discussion regarding james comey. that s right. this is the tweet that came from the president this morning when he said, you know, he better
lying to congress about one of the largest surveillance programs in the history of this country. president obama s administration put journalists under surveillance like rosen at fox. so you know, i think it s a mistake to overplay there issue. i should point out that, and i wrote this down in the green room watching it that james clapper s denial was kind of a nondenial denial. he said that donald trump wasn t wiretapped. and at the trump campaign wasn t wiretapped but that is not the same assaying that there were no intercepts going on of any kind that involved people around donald trump. that seems to be the at the core of this. left out the trump organization. left out people who. other people in the building of trump tower, as well. exactly. but if, for example, someone in the trump tower called the russian embassy, the russian embassy s lines are tapped as a
but the course of a presidential election, the voters will make a decision about every candidate and ultimately the decision is who has the right judgment? alley jackson is following this for us and joins me from des moines. so hally, i was going to say that was a nondenial denial. but that s a guy saying look, i m going to take on trump. reporter: the thing is, chuck, he almost can t deny it now, because in the last couple of minutes the new york times posted a recording of that fund-raiser where you can hear cruz talking about this. it was provided to the new york times by an attendee and cruz says my approach so far has been to bear hug both of them, meaning trump and carson, and to smother them with love. and this is something if you ve been watch thing campaign and this race, you know that ted cruz, given every opportunity to go after trump.
message to the white house? if this is not a snub, there certainly does seem to be an attendance problem. leaders from four of the since nations invited to the summit will be no-shows. i think that s not a coincidence. you ve heard of the nondenial denial, this is the nonsnub snub. there was a very influential adviser to the monarchy that said this isn t quite a snub. it s just, but there s definitely a sub textual thing here for what, six hides of government have decided to send underlings. that s very clear. that sh coordinated and strategic. they re saying forget about the
she didn t disclose and she didn t recuse. if you have a conflict of interest you know this from the law. in the private sector if you have a conflict of interest you have to expose it. she never spoke up she never said anything. so let s say everything was on the up and up. she had no business voting on that deal or being involved in that committee in any way, shape or form. what s interesting is the denial from the family spokesman or campaign spokesman. there s no evidence of it. there s no evidence of it. i mean like you get caught like somebody accuses you of doing something you didn t do and you say i didn t do it. you don t say there is no evidence of that right? there s no controlling legal authority as al gore once said. that s the clinton s mantra. there s no evidence. you can t prove it. it kind of jumped out at me as the nondenial denial. the real denial is going to come next when robert zimmerman joins me. he s an advocate for the clintons. mark good to see you