happy easter to those of you celebrating. we have a lot of politics to get to. but first, the growing tension between the united states and north korea. north korea last night launched a ballistic missile from the submarine base in sinpo, but the missile exploded minutes after launch. this happened as mike pence landed in south korea for talks on how to counter the growing nuclear ambitions and he spoke to american troops at a breakfast there this morning. i'm joined by senior national security analyst juan duarte, the failure, the "new york times" this morning leans hard into the idea that the failure wasn't necessarily a north korean failure, but maybe sabotage and possibly sabotage from the united states. what can you say? >> this is a missile program that's been replete with failures. and the challenge is we don't know yet. it could be sabotage. it could be poor engineering or bad luck. it's the nature of the missile programs but it's clear that
many trump voters though are forgiving. at least for now. >> i think he does see things differently. as all of us would if we had the responsibility. we just see the tip of the iceberg. >> but facing a unified democratic opposition with an uncomplicated message, not trump. republicans on defense ahead of 2018 are struggling to define what it even means to be a trump republican when mr. trump's views keep changing. >> i'm my only man. i'm not going to be told tdo by one president or another how to represent the state of arizona. >> and joining me now is the chairman of the senate armed services committee, john mccain of arizona. senator mccain, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thanks, chuck. thanks for having me back. >> i want to start with north korea. why would i call china a currency manipulator when they're working with us on the north korean problem? we will see what happens. why does china's currency policy have anything to do with north korea?
should it have anything to do with the north korea? >> it may be part of the overall relationship, but china is the key. china is the key. they can stop this if they want to because of their control over the north korean economy. and by the way i would point out -- i know this will come out later on, but there are artillery on the border between north and south korea that can reach seoul. we can't take them all out -- this is -- this may be the first test of this presidency. but china can shut them down. whether they're currency manipulators or not, we should expect them to act to prevent what could be a cataclysmic event and the north koreans keep making progress. they had a failure yesterday. i'm not sure -- >> do you buy the sabotage thing? >> i don't think so, but i wouldn't rule it out. but at the same time, they have made steady progress. while we have made agreement after agreement after agreement.
chuck, how many times on this show have we said, we have now a comprehensive agreement with noh korea and so i'm not blaming trump for this. i'm blaming republican and democrat presidents over the last 20 years while they have continued to make progress. >> is the carrot and stick approach with china worth doing? is using our trade practices or these conversations about currency worth having these debates in order to influence them on north korea? >> to prevent north korea from having a missile with a nuclear weapon that could strike the united states and we would have to rely on our ability to intercept and -- by the way i'm told that we have that ability is still risky business. this is -- this is really very serious. this guy in north korea is not rationale. his father and grandfather were much more rational than he is. >> when you're dealing within a irrational actor, with north korea the military option is on the table but when you're
dealing with an irrational actor, does that make the military option something you don't want to deal with because you don't know how he's going to respond? >> i think with the proximity of the north korean artillery to seoul, a city of how many millions of people? but at the same time, to risk a situation where they have that ability and we rely on our ability to intercept, this could be the first test, real test, of the trump presidency. by the way, i believe that he'll get very good advice from mattis and from mcmaster. >> let me move on and a bigger picture and what we've learned about president trump and his foreign policy. in your hometown paper -- it was -- writing about the syria decision. it was a completely ad hoc decisions and my guess is that's the way that foreign policy is going to be conducted under trump. a series of ad hoc decisions based on what seems right or doable at the time. at the end of the day to borrow from winston churchill, there
he said look, he obviously isn't probably going to be part of the solution. but he stopped short of that. why? >> because i don't think he's absolutely sure what he needs to do. but i would point out of the 400,000 men, women and children who were slaughtered, they weren't slaughtered by isis. they were slaughtered by bashar al assad. the war crimes are horrendous here. and to just say we're only after isis in my view rather than regime change is something that we have to rethink. >> i want to talk about the overall changes. you said he's growing. >> yes. >> in office. there are some who will say, no, the washington establishment sucked him in. >> i hope so. >> okay. >> no, on national security, i do believe he's assembled a strong team and i think very appropriately he's listening to them. and that's the area of course where i am -- >> but i want to go quickly on the washington consensus, not everybody thinks the washington consensus on foreign policy has
worked in the middle east over the last 25 years. >> it hasn't. you've right, it hasn't. but it wast causof the people around him no in ft, if evious president -- for eight years we basically did nothing in response to some of the most horrendous war crimes in history. at least he did something. now i hope that there will be a strategy to follow that up. and look, america is about a moral superiority and our willingness not to fight every fight, but at least respond to horrendous acts of inhumanity and war crimes. also, by the way, syria will continue to have the spread of al qaeda if we don't get -- take care of bashar al assad. >> senator john mccain, unfortunately i have to leave it there. >> thanks for having me. >> you have been here on a few times. >> time flies when you're having fun. >> there you go. earlier this week, the u.s. military dropped the so-called mother of all bombs against isis fighters in afghanistan. president trump who has turned over more decision making to the
pentagon was asked if he personally authorized that action. here's what he said. >> did you authorize it, sir? >> everybody knows what exactly what happened and what i do is i authorize my military. we have the greatest military in the world and they have done their job as usual. so so we have given them total authorization. that's what they're doing. >> well, joining me is senator jack reed, democrat from rhode island and the ranking member of the senate armed services committee. he and senator mccain do a lot of work together. welcome back to the show. >> thanks. >> let me start with north korea and get to the issue of the unpredictability aspect of president trump. is there on this specific issue when it comes to north korea, is there an argument that that's an asset and not a liability? >> i don't think long term it's an asset. i think you have to have a deliberate plan. i think you have a strategy. i think as senator mccain indicated, china is key to that strategy. they have the economic leverage. they're the biggest trader with north korea. in fact, their trade is going up last year and they have
indirectly provided some of the electronics so if china can be brought to the point that they're putting pressure constantly on north korea, there's an opportunity i think to try to freeze their system and then roll them back. but that has to be a long term deliberate day by day strategy. one of the things about the president he's getting good military advice from general mattis and general mcmaster, but he needs a much stronger state department. >> i want to ask about this -- and you talked about his relationship with general mattis. somebody you supported. his confirmation. >> yes. >> and in the opening bite there in your introduction i noted about how the president didn't sign off himself personally on the dropping of the so-called mother of all bombs. he has given more leeway to his military leaders to make these decisions. are you comfortable with that? >> well, these authorities have been -- are given over the last several years. they have increased. in fact, when general nicholson
was before the committee he said he was satisfied with the authority he had and i assumed this is not a new authority. it was something he was authorized. deploying a particular weapons system. >> right. but there was a comment that said, look, in the previous administration, we wouldn't have dropped this without at least alerting the white house. in this one we don't have to alert the white house. that that is the essentially -- that's essentially changed. are you comfortable with that change? >> i think there has to be communication obviously between the white house and their field commanders on the constant basis. that's generally routed through the security council. i think in this case, general nicholson decided the weapon was appropriate for the tunnel complex. in fact, there are no reports of civilian casualties so the operation i think he deemed as something that was appropriate, well within his authority. he might have informed someone, but i don't think he went out of the way to do it.
>> obviously anything we do in afghanistan is covered by the war author assist passed a long time ago. there's still some question about whether anything we do in syria falls under that. do you think it does or doesn't? >> i think with the pursuit of isis in syria, that is covered by the map. it's an extension, but the route is we're extending that from many, many years now. but going after isis i think within the providence of the map other actions -- >> going after assad would not fall under that map? >> i don't think so. i think going after assad in the deliberate concentrated effort to conduct the military operations would require the authorization of congress. i think the tack that the president took was -- i agree with the tack, was done under his prerogative as responding to an incident, horrible incident. the right or the ability of the nations to protect the vulnerable populions. i think anything further should be considered by the congress. >> would you support sending more troops to syria?
>> i think the president would have to lay out a plan, a clear plan. the ad hoc nature of what he does, the kind of -- the flip-flops which seemed dramatic this week suggest incoherence in foreign policy. i think he's trying to come to grips with these things. he doesn't seem to be someone that follows through with the deliberate planning process you need. he has to come to congress and to the american people and explain what he's doing. >> are you comforted by the flip-flops? all of them were moves from outside the washington consensus to within the washington consensus, nato, how to deal with china. does that comfort you? >> i think it's recognizing in many cases the obvious what he has to do. i think with respect to china, you know, their key role in north korea potentially can't be sort of jeopardized by going after them as currency
manipulators. in fact, there's some evidence that they're not doing that recently. one time they were. >> right. >> but i think these things are -- be more comforting if they were not sort of off the cuff, unexplained or glibly announced, but rather the conscious deliberation and by the president. i think also too one of the things we have got to recognize is the growing sort of disenchantment with russia. but that disenchantment also has to be reflected in serious concentration on the election in 2016 and what they did here. because they're still operating today in europe, using those same information techniques, et cetera. we have elections coming up. we can not allow the russians to be part of our electoral process. so that's a something he has to focus on. >> right now he has to accept it happened. >> exactly. that's one of those things that that would be a great improvement in his situation. accept it happened. and then move very aggressively for the good of the country to
see what happened in '16 so that we're prepared and protected for '18 and beyond. >> senator jack reed, from rhode island, good to have you here. thank you for coming on to share your views. when we come back, the trump administration get tough policy on illegal immigration. >> if you're here illegally you should be deported. >> but john kelly says that it is a complicated problem with no easy solutions and congress needs to step in. what, you think we own stock in the electric company? i will turn this car around right now! there's nobody back there. i was becoming my father. [ clears throat ] it's...been an adjustment, but we're making it work. you know, progressive.com makes it easy for us to get the right home insurance. [ snoring ] progressive can't protect you from becoming your parents, but we can protect your home and auto. [ chuckles ] all right.
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or another. i would argue, chuck, that we have to straighten this t. and i thin-- i place that squarely on the united states congress. it's a hugely complex series of laws and i get an awful -- i engage the hill quite a bit. and i get a lot of -- i get an earful about what i should do and what i shouldn't do. but it all comes down to the law, doesn't it? we are a nation of laws. i would hope that the congress fixes a lot of these problems. >> okay. you say it's on congress, but there are others who say if you enforce the law on the books. so what is the issue? are the laws on the books hard to enforce and they need to be changed? is that what you're saying here? >> well, the laws on the books are pretty straightforward. if you here illegally you should leave or should be deported. put through the system. but there are 11 million people and it's very complicated. there are people who came here as children. there are people who came here illegally many years ago and they have married local men and women who have children. and it's a complicated problem, but the law is the law.
given -- but i don't have unlimited capacity to execute -- >> is it the best use of money? is this the resources you need, you need to hire more people to deal with this issue? is that your number one problem? >> i think so. the people -- you know, it's two aspects. i.c.e. operates more or less on the interior and, you know, through targeted actions against illegal aliens plus. what i mean by that is just because you're in the united states illegally doesn't necessarily get you targeted. it's got to be something else. we're operating on the other end of the spectrum, multiple convictions -- >> define a criminal here. that's -- so it seems as if on the obama administration, there was one definition. there seems to be another definition in this administration. is that fair to say? >> it is fair to say that the definition of criminal is not -- has not changed, but where on the spectrum of criminality we opate has changed. >> so can you give me an example of somebody that wasn't deported before that you're deporting now? >> well, as an example, multiple duis.
even a single dui depending on other aspects would get you into the system. but remember for -- >> this wouldn't have been the case under the previous administration? >> you have to remember that there's a system -- a legal justice system in place and the law deports people. secretary kelly doesn't. i.c.e. doesn't. it's the united states, you know, criminal justice system or justice system that deports people. >> i want to go back to the 11 million. it seems that the bigger problem you're dealing with is not the border, it's visa overstays. >> it's a big problem. big problem. >> is that what you need -- you need i.c.e. agents to do that? is that what you need the extra resources for? >> all of that. it's a big problem. it's a lot of people out there that need to be taken into custody and deported according to the law. visa overstays, quite a large number of the illegals that are in the country that are in fact visa overstays. and we do -- we just completed i think a targeted -- they just completed, i.c.e. just completed
a targeted operation going after overstays. it's time-consuming. but at the end of the day, they came here with the promise to leave and we have to track them down. if they're still in the country and put them in the proceedings to deport them. >> i guess i'm going at this with the money for the border wall would be better spent of going after the visa overstays and would that deal with the problem that president trump campaigned on? >> you have to secure the border somehow, first and foremost. but the very, very good news, for a lot of the different reasons, the number of illegal aliens moving up from the south has dropped off precipitously. i mean, we're down 65, 70% in the last two months. these are the months that we should see a steep incline in illegal movement. it's down by almost 70%. >> do you think that's been the president's rhetoric on the campaign and saying, well, he won, it's tougher to get across the border? >> certainly. >> is that contributing -- >> certainly.
some of the other things we have done on the border. just my going down to the border on several occasions, you know that jeff sessions was just down there, the attention being paid to the border certainly has injected into these people and a vast majority of them are good people from central america, but it's injected enough confusion in their minds, i think, and just waiting to see what actually does happen. >> you as head of south com, the southern military command, your previous job before this, you were testifying on these issues during the time we had the surge of central american immigration through mexico. and i remember at the time you said, hey, i stop at the -- essentially the guatemala border there. your purview. but you talked about the difficulty you're trying to find partners at the time in central america to help you with this and the u.s. drug consumption -- the u.s. drug consumers you thought as part of the problem in this. explain.
>> drug consumption in the united states is the problem. just cocaine alone, when you consider the massive amounts of profit that come out of the united states, the trafficker's biggest problem is not getting drugs till now into the united states. the biggest problem they have is laundering the money. so when you have that much profit coming out of the united states and that profit is managed by cartels that are beyond violent and so you go to -- you go to the latin american countries, mexico, the united states for that matter, you mentioned corruption already, the kind of money they can offer an attorney general in guatemala or a police chief in mexico city, the kind of money they can offer, if you don't take the money, they're happy to send your -- you know, your youngest child's head to your home in a plastic bag. >> you said though the hypocrisy aspect of it -- >> it is. >> meaning the central american countries, is the idea of for instance marijuana legalization, does that help your problem? or hurt your problem? >> marijuana is not a factor in
the drug world. >> this really is a cocaine and in some cases the opioid sort of copycats? >> it's three things. methamphetamine, almost all produced in mexico. heroin, virtually all produced in mexico and cocaine that comes up from further south. those three drugs result in the death of i think last year 52 -- i think 52,000 people to include opioids. it's a massive problem. 52,000 americans -- you can't put a price on the human misery, the costs to the united states is over $250 billion a year. the solution is not arresting a lot of users. the solution is a comprehensive drug demand reduction program in the united states that involves every man and woman of goodwill. >> and he went on to say that congress needs to be working on this. i also asked secretary kelly about the fight against isis and that mother of all bombs in afghanistan. you can hear his answer on the entire interview which is posted on the website. meet the press.com.
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welcome back. panelists here, former republican senator john sununu. heather mcgee and andrea mitchell and mark leibovich from "the new york times." who does still live in this town. welcome all. >> thank you. >> i want to talk about the -- start with sort of the week of donald trump and his evolving positions. john sununu, what do you make of it? >> growing into the job maybe. on issues like nato, i think everyone knew that we weren't going to pull out of nato. everyone knew and understood that his rhetoric was in one place in the campaign and then it was going to be met with a reality. that nato serves a function, has great value, is important to our strategic alliances around the world. a lot is just the campaigner
coming to the oval office and recognizing what's real, what's doable. look, some of it on the domestic policy issues like bank or currency manipulation is going to kick back on the trump base because they don't expect that kind of thing to happen. >> here's andy sullivan, what on earth is the point of trying to understand him when there's nothing to understand? he has no guiding policy, no consistency at all. just whatever makes him feel good about himself this second. he therefore believes what bizarre nonfact he can cook up in the addled head or what the last person said. harsher response, andrea. >> i disagree. i think he likes to win and he's seen over the course of the last weeks that he wins when he listens to jared kushner, when he lists importantly -- >> we break into regular programming to take you to korea, on the peninsula on the demilitarized zone, you see here live pictures of the vice
president mike pence just arriving, landing in a helicopter. he's been there for the better part of a day, arriving into south korea for meetings as well as he did attend some easter sunday services and activity sets. vice president mike pence, of course, there, a day after a missile test that failed in north korea, about in the northeastern section of north korea. and he's now in the demilitarized zone, a space that is just a sliver separating the north and the south. north korea and south korea, now in the midst of an armistice, still technically at war. now, the dmz, the demilitarized zone, he's close to it or in the zone itself right now, in the zone, when you do arrive, there is a building where there were meetings that were held between the north and the south, it is basically a time capsule, going
back decades of when there was a different time, the north, the communists, the south, and the western united states, where they would meet and negotiate and discuss issues relevant at the time to the post armed conflict that had been happening during the korean war. we're now many decad later, bu vice president pence now visiting the dmz, the demi demilitarized zone, a space you actually, if you look over, it is completely green. there are no buildings. it is a space that the two sides, north korea and south korea stare each other down hour after hour and as was expected, he's not in the dmz technically. there is an approach zone. you arrive at gates. and we're taking the pictures live. you can see the camera is resetting as vice president mike
pence is getting into his vehicle and if this camera does actually refocus and redirect towards where the vice president is, he will be making his way towards the zone itself. this, again, a day after the missiles, one missile was tested, it was believed to be a medium range missile. could have been a solid fuel missile and that was one of the thoughts. this is from moments ago as he was arriving off a helicopter and moving into his suv and then moving actually in physically to the dmz, but the dmz has a buffer zone in the south, in south korea. the important point to make here is that seoul, south korea, is just 30 miles from here. which means so is north korea. this is why the two sides, the north and the south, as you look at some of the allied forces
here, the south korean armed forces as well, meeting the vice president, they work together with the united states, and u.s. forces some 28,000 close to 30,000 based in south korea, they often annually conduct practices together and this is -- right before mike pence does get into a vehicle and head into the demilitarized zone prop proper. he's spending almost a day there as we speak, watching pictures from moments ago. we'll continue to keep an eye on this as the vice president makes his way to the dmz. if we have more information in terms or pictures themselves, of his activity set there, we will get that to you here on msnbc. we'll take a short break and return to regular programming. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything,
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so i got to speak right after senator widen at the one here in d.c. yesterday. honestly my expectations were very low. there are the sort of eaest tax da you know, kind of rallies by progressives saying we need more revenue. this was 25,000 people in d.c. alone. 200 rallies across the country. and the message was really quite uniform. it was show us your taxes. what are you hiding? who are you working for and then at the same time, we need economic justice and tax fairness. we're sick of hearing about how billionaires how little they pay in taxes. >> you can look at the rallies in two different ways. maybe the general public isn't as moved on the tax return issue but the fact that the rallies can happen fairly easily now on the left tells you the energy is son the left. >> i think there is a little bit of energy on the left, because trump provides a great focal point for them and it is -- >> sort of the way that obama did for the conservatives. >> sure. the coin flips, you know, the big tax rallies used to be conservatives marking, you know,
tax day. and how long do you have to work until you can actually pay your taxes and it gets later and later in the year. >> do you realize the majority of americans are okay with the amount of taxes they pay and last year they did not. >> three out of four americans wants him to release the tax returns. he kept saying it didn't matter because he lost the popular vote by 3 million votes, but people think it's unable that he thinks he's above the law. >> substantively, it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter for the policy decisions we have been talking about. it won't matter in his re-election because it didn't matter in his re-election in 2015. >> breaking into normal programming again here on msnbc at new york city. we are looking at pictures coming in from the demilitarized zone, mike pence, the vice president speaking. >> particularly humbling for me to be here. my father served in the korean war with the u.s. army. and on the way here, we ally
sa some of the terrain my father fought alongside korean forces to help earn your freedom. so we -- we're grateful to all those who each and every day stand in the gap for freedom, here at the dmz and it is a great honor to be with all of our forces and with the leadership represented here. thank you. >> thanks. >> the basic area we're in is called panmunjong, the place where -- >> video directly as it is happening. the vice president with short comments saying that his father served in the korean war and that it -- his father's efforts had contributed to the freedom that many south koreans multigenerations have been able to enjoy since on armistice day
each and every year, this is something where south koreans, where americans and those who serve and descendants of those who served in south korea for the u.s. armed forces do remember that key day, a remembrance of the sacrifice that was made by u.s. veterans to guarantee the freedom for south korea, and vice president mike pence remembering that, the dmz, a representation of that point in the war when they stopped fighting yet technically as was mentioned and has been mentioned before, they are still at war. vice president again beginning his ten day trip there in asia, finishing up his stops there in south korea. this on the heels of a missile -- failed missile test from north korea, a lot happening there on the korean peninsula, we'll continue to follow the vice president's trips and activities here on msnbc. for now, we continue to normal programming, but first --
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i began by asking them whether we should still abide by the old maxim to not mix religion and politics. >> it is a misnomer because it suggests that religion and politics are individuals when rd politics. >> well, it is impossible, because the ideologies are inherent in people, and so when you have people, you will be mixing the religiosity and the cultures and the fact is that they will inadvertently connect whether you want them to not. >> should we fight it? >> religion is an internal kind of thing that gets to the heart and the mind and politics is the outworking of the values and the things that are inside you, and soy see them very connected actually. >> sometimes i wonder if we overthought the phrase, rabbi. >> you can separate them into partisan politics and
reopitic, and they are interwoven with religion and in other words, when we talk about the poor and the vulnerable, and the biblical command to welcome in the stranger of the midst and protect them as ourselves and to protect god's creation, a and we are talking about the global warming, and the migrant policy, and so just as they with woven together and the prophets and the jesus of nazareth and everybody addressed the issue s in their time, we are so compelled to address it in ours. >> and pastor, you have not been afraid of politic, and rabbi obviously, but talk about some of the fellow pastors and bishops and rabbis? >> well, it is a thin line that you have to walk, because primarily people don't come to church to have you espouse religious believes. >> and they tell you the stick to faith. and stay away from the politics.
>> yes, and in the black congressgressions, they have a different expectation of the people who are voiceless lesof voiceless, and i thood grow into the fact that my responsibility was to represent the parishioner's issues and concerns without getting nuanced into the individual behind politics, but you do it at least have to confront the issues that are affecting your congregation. >> and pastor, where are you on this? >> yeah, i'm thinking about the people in the church who want to know how the think bib lilicall and so when they come to church, they are wrestling, because biblical illiteracy is increasing and so they are telling us not what to think, but but how the think. >> and as some synagogues are sanctuaries. >> yes. >> that is a big political statement for a synagogue to
make, and some congregants view it as, oh, you are taking sides. >> that is the paradox, because when we are feeding hungry people in our food programs and we are sheltering the homeless people in our homeless shelter or the programs, and we are welcoming the refugee, the stranger, the bible tells us that we should treat of ourselves in providing the shelter to them and sanctuary of them, we are living out the religious ideals and we have a pastoral responsibility to our parishioners, and so we have to not compromise our ability to do that, but with reteachers and leaders and the one who exemplifies how to apply our traditional values to the world about it is a difficult tight rope to walk but we have to encompass both of the responsibilities. >> you believe that you would be punished more if you ignored the
politics? >> well, it is consequences, and you can't walk out of the faith and ignore the environment in which your faith is exemplified and it is not an issue of the the you are going to be taking it on, but you have to look at how, and you have to understand that you are not going to be misunderstood or become silent and not heard at all. >> and maybe the evangelicals are going to set aside the moral outrage of bill clinton from donald trump? >> wow, that is hard one. i think that the moral underpinnings of the country and of our faith are challenged when these things, when a candidate trump talks about those things about women, and that is personally offensive to me, but i am not called upon to go to the pulpit and express my vies s of myself and i have to look at it from a a wider context of the scripture and what does the bible talk about how women are to be treated and how we should honor one another, and that is the message and not delve into
the political specifics and bring it back to the human and deeper human issue, and how are we dealing with that and what are the ways in which we do the same thing. >> do any of you see the rise of secularism as a rejection of the faith leaders or faiths and what is the rise to secularism to? >> well, you know, a lot of times, i am not sure that the rise is as high as some media purports that it is, and i think that faith has in many cases retreated back behind private walls, and i'm seeing a rejection of organized religion. the pew research suggests that millennials are retreating and not that they don't have faith, but they don't express it in the way that the parents have. and the the challenge of people of faith is not so much to wrestle against the secularism, but to remain relevant in a society that has lost faith in all institutions. and the onus is on us to recreate ourselves without
losing sight of the core principles and values. pastor? >> yes, and i am thinking when you say that, bishop, is how we have made heaven here especially in the west. we don't need to relate to that theology of heaven and rescue and salvation the way we always did, because what do we have to be rescued from, and we have everything that you need here and if you go to africa and the developing countries in the global south and there is no secularism there, because there is no development there or no personal wealth there, and so they are looking to god for everything that they have and there is such a joy in that and it reveals the joy of the human heart. >> so you see the rise of the sek cularism as a benefit of th society. >> yes, and what it is going to do is to layer over the needs of real people's hearts. church, andly bow the you guys r on this, but when people come into the crisis, they still come to the church. we are there in the crisis moments people'ves, and at the sick bed, the wedding
altar or the divorce court and there in the spaces where where people are hurting and the money can't help it, and the secular things that we have enveloped ourselves in can't save you. >> well, that is a full conversation for you. that is bishop t.j. jakes and pastor joanne hummel and rabbi david. and so we hope that you have a happy passover and easter, and go wizards. if it is "meet the press" it is end game. you can see more "end game" on the msnbc facebook page. it's over. i've found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced, our senses awake, our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden,
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this morning the regime launched a ballistic missile over japan and into the pacific ocean. analysts say it flew far enough to hit the u.s. territory of guam. the u.s. ambassador to the united nations nikki haley spoke at the white house briefing. she said if north korea continuing its aggression, she could hand over the situation to james mattis, the defense secretary. >> there's not a lot the security council will do from here when you cut the trade and the oil. so having said that, i have no problem kicking to it general mattis. i think he has plenty of options. >> the united nation's security council holding an emergency meeting this hour after north korea's launch. john roberts is live for us at the white house. john, what else did the white house says about north korea? >> good afternoon. the president left on a helicopter a short time ago to go to joint base andrews for the speech that will be coming in about 40 minutes. he was asked if he was running out of options on north korea.
the president said no. we fleshed that out a little more by nikki haley earlier during the briefing where h.r. mcmaster said look, the military option is there if they need to use it. they would prefer not to use the military option. there's sanctions that have yet to kick in. nikki haley saying it's going to take some time to find out if they can just go with sanctions or if they need to go down the road of military action. listen to what she said. >> what is really important with north korea, that we try to push through as many diplomatic options as we have. we have strangled their economic situation at this point. that will take a little time. it's already started to take effect. what we're seeing is that they continue to be provocative and reckless. >> as she said at the beginning, she's willing to kick this down to -- across to secretary mattis if need be. you'll remember a couple weeks ago here at the white house on a
sunday afternoon, secretary mattis said they don't want to see the annihilation of a nation, but they have the options to do so. what is also important to h.r. mcmaster and nikki haley, there's enforcement of the sanctions. the sanctions they believe will work, but the countries have to stay united against north korea so that they bite and no sneaking things through the border to help prop up the regime. trace? >> trace: the president is juggling a lot of things. what did he say about london? >> we heard from him this morning when he was talking to the 11-year-old, the entrepreneur from virginia, who volunteered to come in and cut the white house grass. the president was letting him cut the grass. the president lamenting the fact that we have another terror attack in the u.k. here's what he said. >> it's a terrible thing. this keeps going and going. and we have to be very smart, we
have to be very, very tough. perhaps we're not nearly tough enough. that is just an absolutely terrible thing. in fact, i'm going to call the prime minister right now. >> must have been an interesting phone call with the prime minister. before he came out of the rose garden, he laid to lay the attack on scotland yard. the president wrote "another attack in london by a loser terrorist. these are sick and demented people that were in the sights of scotland yard. must be proactive." here's the immediate response from theresa may. >> i never think it's helpful for anybody to speculate on an ongoing investigation. >> so h.r. mcmaster asked about that this afternoon at the briefing. tried to clean it up a bit. didn't seem to come up with a completely satisfactory answer. listen here. >> the president was
communicating that obviously all of our law enforcement efforts are focused on this terrorist threat for years. scotland yard has been a leader as our fbi has been a leader. if there was a terrorist attack here, got forbid we would say they were in the sights of the fib. he didn't mean anything beyond that. >> so when i say the answer perhaps wasn't completely satisfactory, he was asked if he could clarify what he said. he went back and said the same thing. it would appear to indicate that the president was suggesting that whoever was responsible and scotland yard at that time didn't know who was responsible had an eye on the person and perpetrated the act. the u.k. is saying not the case from what they know now. trace? >> trace: yeah, we were teasing that the president is about to speak at joint base andrews. do we have an understanding about what he said? >> the 75th anniversary of the
air force. we expect he will talk about north korea and talk about the u.k. terror attack and the two storms, harvey and irma and what the federal government is doing to respond to those. trace? >> trace: the chief white house correspondent john roberts live on the north lawn. thank you. let's bring in chris wallace from "fox news sunday." we should begin where john roberts left off there. you heard what they said at the white house, what the president said, the tweets about london this morning. what did he mean in your assessment, chris, by saying hey, scotland yard has its eye on this. what is the intonation there from the president? >> well, i don't know. the implication seemed to be and what people seemed to take from it that whoever this was, the president believed had been under the surveillance of scotland yard, that they knew about these folks and somehow as gone suggested to allow them to
continue and commit this terrorist act. the comment from prime minister may seemed mild by american standards. but folks over on the other side of the atlantic say that for her, very careful, very soft-spoken on these issues. to say what he said is a real reprimand. sort of like jeff sessions calling his attorney general an idiot as we found out today on the front page of the new york" times" and speculated when the president meets with>> every ti in the u.k., the president says something about strengthening the travel ban. if you look at the last four attacks in london, the westminster and the arena, these are all home grown attacks. yes, scotland yard did have them on their radar but didn't do anything worthy at that point in
time. so the question begins, is he trying to push the travel ban that if u.k. had a tougher travel ban, this wouldn't happen and wouldn't happen therefore in the united states. >> well, to some degree, he's frustrated he pushed the travel ban and you're right, the vast majority of the people involved in these terrorist attacks in london have been home grown, not migrants coming in. but the president frustrated that he's been arguing about the travel ban since january. it's going to come up for an argument before the supreme court in october. as he said, he called it stupid political correctness. i also wonder to some degree and supposition on my part, after the back and forth yesterday about daca and whether the president was breaking faith with his supporters want a border wall, whether the president is trying to establish that he's a hard liner when it comes to allowing people in the
country. >> you go back to daca, it's still in the air is. there a deal in the works? is the president just as the white house said getting perspective from these top democrats or is there a deal in the works? >> well, depends who you talk to and when you talk to them. certainly seemed yesterday morning as if there was a deal. nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, chuck and nancy as the president calls them, seems to think if there was not a deal an agreement. daca protection, permanent protections for the dreamers in return for tougher border enforcement but not funding for the wall. at the day went on and he saw backlash from supporters, hardline people on immigration, illegal immigration, he backed off and said we might have this deal on daca but there would have to be funding fore a wall in a different venue and funding has to come first or we're going to block daca. is there a deal?
comments they make but this woman that called the president a white supremacist, they're giving her a pass so far. i'm not sure whether it makes sense for the white house to get into a fight with espn about whether or not they're going to fire an anchor. but there does seem to be some double standard in terms of how they deal with political commentary by people that are supposed to be commenting on sports and who -- which comments are considered acceptable or at least not fireable offenses and those that are. >> chris wallace, good to see you. thank you, sir. >> you bet. >> trace: this week open "fox news sunday," chris talks with h.r. mcmaster. he will have the latest on the debate on the dreamers with missouri republican senator roy blunt and illinois democratic senator dick durbin. that's on your local fox station. i want to go back right now to the breaking news at the top of
the house, this is in st. louis. the protest is going from 13 minutes ago when we showed you the pictures. you didn't have this crowd or there was a different angle that didn't show us this crowd. looks like the protest is starting to grow here. if you don't know the background here, this is based on the acquittal of officer jason stockley, a white police officer accused of shooting and killing anthony smith. we have a reporter on the scene. we'll have breaking news as it comes out of st. louis. the protest is growing. meantime ahead, the crowd on a london train going about their lives when the terrorist attack and triggered a panic rush for safety. >> it was chaos. every man for himself. >> just scrambling and falling. tripping over people and falling over.
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like during rush hour. the islamic state claiming responsibility for the attack. more on that in just a moment. emergency officials say the attack injured two dozen people. police say it was a terror attack and they're now on a massive man hunt for the suspect. so far, no arrests. cops say this bucket bomb, is what they're calling it, wept off sending a fireball through a passenger car on the tube, the subway system in london. witnesses say the explosion happened as it pulled into the parsons green state on the west side at 8:00 a.m. local time. passengers say it was complete pandemonium. they pushed their way through open doors and toppling each other to get above ground. >> i was trying to run as fast as i could. we all got stuck in a stampede. i was against the wall. there was people on top of people. >> police say at least 29 people were hurt in the attack.
most with burns. the chief intelligence correspondence catherine herridge is live in washington. catherine? >> i want to start with the location of the attack. it's an area called parsons green. it's a residential part of southwest london. i want to draw your attention to the fact that this subway line connects to one of the central rail and commuter hubs in london called earl's court. based on the reporting from london, it appears there was a timer with the device. it's entirely possible that it was timed to explode around the peak period of the computer rush hour and then also in one of the heavy transit points in that network. i want to draw your attention to the photos of the bucket bomb. the bucket bomb is very reminiscent based on a conversation i had earlier today with a counter terrorism contact with a pressure cooker bomb that
this protesting is on behalf of jason stockley. he was accused and tried for killing anthony smith. a car crashed and somehow officer stockley shot into the car and killed officer smith. now you have several groups in the process of protesting this. we have a correspondent on the scene. we'll bring you the latest as we continue watching the protest and the line-up in st. louis. meantime, more on the london attack in just a moment as police here in the u.s. say they're monitoring the situation. i'll talk with a former cia military analyst that says there's no way to prevent these attacks. my ancestry dna results are that i am 26% nigerian. i am just trying to learn as much as i can about my culture.
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police say a bucket bomb exploded on a packed subway injuring two dozen people this morning. let's bring in tara maller, cia analyst and senior policy adviser with the counter extremism project. every time you hear of an attack on a train or a bridge or in a mall or restaurant, you have to kind of put your hands up and say what do you do? how do you defend against this stuff? >> you do. unfortunately, it's becoming increasingly common, particularly in europe and particularly in the u.k. there's a number of measures you can do. unfortunately at the point where the individuals getting on the train with the explosive device, at that point it's difficult to stop. we don't have metal detectors on major transportation around cities. there's things that can be done. law enforcement has some of these people on their radar screen. there's something that we can do
about cracking down on this terrorist content online, on platforms that are helping give people instructions, helping with propaganda and to help incite this radicalization that we're seeing predominantly in europe and here in the united states as well. >> trace: we learned a couple of fascinating things from catherine herridge, one, that this was for all intents and purposes like the cooker bomb. and isis has claimed responsibility, which is awfully fast. do you think there's any kind of connection or link in those two pieces of information? >> sure. it's fast. i'm going to leave to it the forensics a analysis to see if there's a fingerprint on the bomb. we don't know in the individual was in touch in terms with a
longer plot or cell or just inspired. they're all possible. at the end of the day, doesn't matter. lives could have been lost and law enforcement needs to prevent against both of those. if it had a higher level of coordination or funding or organization, it's more concerning. that means there might be other parts to the plot. it's interesting. the u.k. has said they honed in on a suspect but haven't released a name or description. i sort of wonder if they're trying to track the individual in some way, see who the person might be in touch with and make sure there's not others potentially tied to this or any other ongoing potential plots. >> trace: tara, good information. thanks for joining us. >> thanks. >> trace: want to go back to breaking news in st. louis. you can see the live pictures there. we didn't know if this was the crowd expanding or just a different camera angle from the helicopter.
what you're seeing here is a protest which seems to me right now largely a peaceful protest. though there is a huge contingent of police officers on the ground there we're told. they're taking this very seriously. wells fargo and a number of companies have let their employees go for the day, letting them go for a long weekend. we're talking about thousands of employees that work in and around this area. i want to bring in will carr. he's live on the street and can give us a better idea on ground level. what are you seeing, will? >> hi, trace. let me set this up for you. first thing this morning, a judge came out and decided that the officer involved in this case, jason stockley, was not guilty of first degree murder in the death of a black man, lamar smith. after that happened, people started pouring into the streets here in downtown st. louis. there was an indication that this would happen today. there was a thought that there could be the not guilty verdict. so in anticipation a lot of
businesses as you mentioned shut down here. many boarding up their windows. there's hundreds of people here in the streets. they have shut the streets down in st. louis. it has been peaceful so far. now, the concern is that this is still very -- a lot of tension still from ferguson, which is back in 2014. ferguson is only about 20 minutes north of where we are right now. in fact, that shooting only happened five minutes from ferguson. so with that, you come down here, you talk to the residents and the business owners and ferguson is still on their mind. in fact, some of the business owners in ferguson are boarding up their windows as we speak. they're worried this could spill over into their community. we know the national guard is on standby. we heard from the sheriff earlier today. he said they're going to stop anybody from doing anything that is not peaceful. i spoke with one business owner.
he says he understands that they're protesting but the last thing he wants is damage on his business, trace. >> trace: yeah. as you walk around there, is there anybody that is supporting the police officers or is this a one-sided protest in favor -- not in favor but protesting the officer's acquittal? >> this is very much an anti police protest at this point. i want to continue to walk you through this crowd, a lot of expletives on shout and people shouting and people with their faces covered out here. a lot of hostility. this guy has a toy gun with his face covered. everything has been peaceful. there's a lot of tension. i was talking to a business owner. he said that st. louis at this point is still two communities. he said there's the white community and the black community. when you get a verdict like this because they really felt that this was murder, the smith
attorney ended up showing evidence that the officer involved here had his own personal a.k. 47 during the entire scene that played out in 2011. the fact that this took years to develop, the tension here really only started boiling a again after ferguson with this case and with the verdict coming out, it's the last thing that many people wanted to see out here, trace. >> trace: yeah. will, very quickly. any sign -- we know there's some religious groups out there. any sign of black lives matters? >> there's definitely black lives matters memberers and leaders from the religious community, trace. >> trace: will carr live for us in st. louis as the news come out of there. we wait for president trump to address members of the military, there is no longer any doubt that north korea's missiles can hit american soil. the longest one yet, right? the latest launch which analysts say could have reached the american territory of guam.
up next, we go live to the korean peninsula where an already tense situation has been getting even worse next.
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korea. it's the most successful test of an intermediate range missile that we saw first hand in pyongyang in april. the launch happened at a site not far from pyongyang. it was a long range launch, 2,300 miles into the pacific ocean before going down there. long enough according to experts that it could have hit guam and the u.s. military bases on the u.s. island territory of guam if it was pointed in that direction. luckily for the folks there, it was not. south korea was monitoring the preps for this launch and was ready when it happened literally six minutes after north korea launched its missiles, south korea launched theirs. but no, it wasn't to take down the missile coming from north korea. it was a show of force into the sea of japan. we heard strong words from
officials here. japanese of course were shaken up. the missile went over the northernmost island of japan. sirens wailed and loud speakers told folks to take shelter. again, the second time this has happened in japan in the last three weeks. very concerning. reaction? yes, swift. secretary of state tillerson has been very active on this issue. first out of the box saying that what north korea had done was provocative and threatening. remember, this was the first offensive action by north korea since the u.n. security council voted on those stronger sanctions earlier in the week, since north korea itself did that strong nuclear test two weeks ago. the regional neighbors, japanese prime minister abe speaking out and calling it reckless. south korean president moon saying that dialogue with north korea right now absolutely
unacceptable. even the nominal allies of north korea, russia and china also speaking out. nobody really knows how to harness this kim jong-un regime heading towards a real nuclear missile arsenal. back to you, trace. >> trace: greg palkot live in south korea. let's bring in gordon chang, author of "nuclear show down, north korea takes on the world." great to see you. these launches are semi routine. they launch and everybody condemns the launch and the u.n. has an emergency meeting. they do something and everybody shrugs their shoulders. >> you pointed out something incredibly important. that is that we have to break this chain of events. president trump can say fire and fiery, locked and loaded but now we're passing from the point that we should be doing things. we should be imposes costs on
the chinese for their support of north korea. there's all sorts of measures that we can be imposing on the north itself. we need the start showing acts of will. right now, kim jong-un, the north korean leader, has all the initiative and if he's not stopped, i'm afraid that he's going to miscalculate when he feels his arsenal is ready to launch against south korea or wherever. >> doesn't seem to me, gordon and a lot of experts that a lot of things actually affect kim jong-un. he clearly is getting some money from somewhere. enough money to prop up the regime. his people may starve but he's getting some money to support this place. seems like people keep talking about possible military action. is it overstepping to say that south korea kind of controls the tempo when it comes to military action against the north? >> not really. i don't think it's the south koreans so much. it is north koreans driving the events. you talk about the north koreans getting money from somewhere. well, they have two main sources
of funds. one is iran, because north korea sell missiles and nuclear weapons technology to them and they probably pay for the chemicals that to to the assad regime. it's estimated iran pays them $2 billion and $3 billion a year for cooperation. the other source is china. there's a lot of legal trade, but there's substantial illicit trade across that border. the chinese have not wanted to stop it. they have wanted to support their north korean allies. so kim jong-un despite the condemnation of the international community is able to continue because he has the support of tehran and beijing. >> trace: so if you're playing the stick and carrot game with china, what is the incentive to be more involved here and if you're going to use a stick, what do we do to go after china if they're not? >> there's a couple things we can do. their largest banks have been
laundering money for the north koreas, including bank of chain, which was named in a 2016 u.n. report for money laundering for north korea. the even larger chinese banks have been involved in this business. we can have them declared primary money laundering concerns under the patriot act and that would be death sentences. there's a 301 trade act in process. an investigation into china's theft of intellectual property. if that investigation shows the chinese are guilty, there could be extraordinary remedies like tariffs. as the president tweeted on september 3, we could impose an embargo on those countries that deal with north korea. all sorts of tools that we. have our economy is large and vibrant. >> trace: gordon, just to explain to the audience, you can
see on the left-hand side of the screen. we've gotten the two-minute warning. so we're under two minutes before melania trump will come out and introduce the president. i want to know, gordon, do you believe -- rex tillerson has been very involved in this. do you believe there's a plan the white house has aside from going after china or kind of, you know, using more -- i don't know -- more influential tactics with south korea? what else does the white house have in its arsenal? >> the white house has been effective in dealing with south korea, getting south korea away from its initial attempts to support the north korean economy. their new president is very pro engagement of the north. president trump has pushed the south koreans out of that business. that's important. of course, the trump administration has looked at the u.n. security council. we're not going to get any joy
there unless we're willing to impose those costs on moscow and beijing. the administration is about to do that. you know, right now, they have a number of options that they're considering including some forceful ones. i hope that they don't use those. i hope they use the economic ones because i think those economic ones are very effective if applied with a lot of determination. >> trace: when you talk about forceful ones, it scares everybody. everybody is concerned about military force. they know in the initial hours, you have seoul south korea, which is 65, 70 miles -- >> 35. >> trace: 35 miles from the dmz. seems like it's an awfully heavy price to pay when you talk about military action. >> sure, but the one thing that we can also do is we need to stop the trade of north korea selling missiles and other such things around the world. we do need to board their ships,
this is something that the united states wants to do. this is one of our high priority items. we didn't get it from the security council on monday in resolution 2375. but this is something that i think that we are going to do. we have the authority under other areas in order to board ships. so i think that we have to stop this very dangerous trade. >> trace: we hear about united nations. the scrambled-together meetings they're talking about. do you believe these are effective? do you believe the u.n. sanctions that these have been effective up to this point in time? >> no, they haven't been. north korea has gotten all the money that it needs. yes, we have seen that with these accelerated launches, with the detonation of a bomb on september 3, which was probably a hydrogen device. clearly the north koreans are
making much faster progress than any one thought that they could. >> trace: stand by if you will, gordon. you can see the music is playing and the deal here is that melania trump, the first lady, will introduce the president. we were waiting because melania was meeting with a group of children about 10, 15 minutes ago. so we figured this would be about on time. i want to go live to john roberts at the white house. we've been having this conversation with gordon chang. what will the say in your estimation about north korea? is he growing to say we have a plan and going to leave it up to the defense secretary, the secretary of state? what is on the table? >> i spoke to the president in person about this yesterday saying what are you going to do about north korea? things don't appear to be working? he suggested he's having talks
with the chinese premi premier jinping. he said at the moment, there's an increased regime of sanctions. we heard nikki haley and h.r. mcmaster talk about that they're cutting off 90% of exports and 30% of fuel. this won't happen overnight. as the days and weeks wear on, they believe that north korea will be squeezed by the sanctions. that said, if they're not properly enforced, if some of north korea's allies or patrons sneak things across the border or people get them in some other way, the military option is on the table. nikki haley said i have no problem kicking this over to general mattis if necessary. we recall that mattis said in strident terms saying they have
a number of military options to take on north korea warning kim jong-un, trace, not to ever fire a nuclear weapon in the direction of the united states, any of its territories or its allies. mattis saying we're not looking to totally annihilate north korea, but we have a number of military options to do so. i imagine what you'll hear what the president will say, the united states remain committed to a denuclearized north korean peninsula, that it's going to pursue diplomatic measures at least for the time being and the military option remains on the table. >> trace: so if i hear you correctly, the military option that you're talking about that mattis may employ is this possibility of a salvo. maybe not a direct hit. maybe a salvo to do something to shake things up. we have a great deal of military might in that area right now off the korean peninsula. either conducted or about to
conduct more military exercises with south korea. is that the intent here? that we're going -- we have the ability, the capability to put on a very impressive show of force. >> i think what mattis was alluding to is much starker than that, trace. that is that if north korea were to fire a nuclear weapon at the united states or guam or any of our other territories in the western pacific or any of our allies like south korea or japan, australia, anybody like that, that would be met with an in kind response. the unspoke words there were nuclear weapons. in terms of military options, i've been talking to some military leaders, that say what they're really worried about is those artillery batteries doug into the northern side of north and south korea is that it would
maximize the protection of those artillery pieces. i'm told we have ordinants penetrators that would take them out. but if there was a war, many people would die and likely on both sides. >> john roberts, stand by. i want to go back to gordon chang. you heard what john roberts was saying there. do you think that's a fair assessment of where the military stands in reference to north korea? >> yes. seoul is a metropolitan area of about 26 million people. it's close to the demilitarized zone. although the u.s. air force can take out a lot of that entrenched artillery, we can't do so until 15, 20 minutes after the hostilities start, which means that during that period,
there could be incredible casualties in the metropolitan area. so that has really been the deterrent for the united states. that's why we don't conduct surge strikes against north korea. >> trace: so what i heard you saying, in the meantime, if something did happen and there was a military attack on north korea and they were to launch on south korea, they have weapons pointed seoul and it would take us several months up to an hour, maybe two hours to actually be able to go after those weapons. so are you saying that in the course of a 45 or an hour time frame, they could unleash a barrage on seoul, south korea? >> yes. the casualties for the first hours for a general war on the korean peninsula could number in the hundreds of thousands. you could have a million or two casualties in the first day or so. maybe the first two days. no one really knows. the estimates that come out of
u.s. forces korea are horrific. that has meant that the united states has tried other options in which to deal with this. so i think the u.s. has extraordinary economic leverage over the chinese. we want them to use their leverage over the north koreans. so far we haven't employed that leverage for a number of reasons. i think we will start to consider that because the north koreans are maybe nine months, maybe a year from being able to amount a nuke on a missile to hit the homeland. as the president says, that's unacceptable. >> trace: last thing china wants is to have a war right back in the korean peninsula where all of a sudden they have millions of refugees flooding into their borders. is that a fair assessment? >> they do worry a little bit about refugees, but they believe they can control it. they just deploy the people's
liberation army along the two rivers that form the border. we have de-mined three corridors in the militarized zone. so north koreans would move south to be with other koreans, not move north to china where they would have to dodge the worldest largest military. so that is a little bit exaggerated on the part of the chinese. they always try to tell us they're worried about refugees. in reality, i don't think that that is really the motivation behind their policies. >> gordon chang stand by if you would to set the table for the viewers just joining us. we're waiting and looking to joint base andrews. apparently the president is about to come out and speak. he's about 24, 25 minutes late. the first lady is also going to come out and introduce here. we're waiting for that. we did get the two-minute
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>> not just a friend, just a good guy, a friend for a very long time. that's what the president said. and the two of course do seem particularly close in photo after photo. here they are greeting the tesla ceo, elon musk, in the state dining room as trump signs an executive order about the oil pipeline industry. and this, trump speaking on the phone with vladimir putin, and who is there? steve bannon. and then when they worked together in the white house, check this out, their offices, steps apart. in fact the only person who sat closer to the president of the united states than bannon was president trump's son-in-law, jared kushner. even the official chief of staff, reince priebus, sat farther away from president trump. and of course as trump knows well from his real estate days, power is all about location, location, location. slamming bannon, though, was only part of the white house operation today. the press secretary tried to rip the book itself and its author, michael wolff.
>> could you just give a few examples of things that have been said in this book that are false, that you would like to set the record straight on? >> there are numerous mistakes, but i'm not going waste my time or the country's time going page by page talking about a book that's complete fantasy and just full of tabloid gossip, because it's sad, pathetic, and our administration and our focus will be on moving the country forward. >> okay. it is not complete fantasy. i want to make it clear, we have not independently corroborated many of the details in the bombshell book, but let's just take two examples. two of the people who are in the book are verifying part of what's in it. trump supporter anne colter confirmed her quote to "the washington examiner." she said to trump nobody is telling you this but you can't, you just can't hire your children. and janice minn said everything she knew about an intimate d
wolff said he didn't know who that was. not true. we've heard donald trump talk about john boehner for years. but on the whole this has rocked the white house, this has overtaken their agenda. they wanted to start 2018 talking about immigration. republican leaders i'm told are going to camp david this weekend to talk about the agenda. on the same day this book is coming out. so the president will be meeting tomorrow at camp david at the very moment this book is coming out. so the reality here is in terms of winning or losing, i don't think we know the answer to that yet. one thing is clear, the president had a close connection to steve bannon. we'll see if that's ever rebuilt or not. at this point it seems unlikely, erin. >> that is for sure. of course another thing that is for sure is this book is a best seller. outfront tonight, the white house deputy press secretary. i appreciate your time coming on to talk about this and give your side of the story. you heard sarah sanders downplaying the relationship between president trump and steve bannon today. the reality, you just saw it.
bannon was in the room constantly. i was in a meeting, right, it was kellyanne conway, reince priebus, sean spicer, jared kushner, the president, at the time the president-elect, and steve bannon. he was there all the time. >> okay. i mean i'm looking at a picture now, you're showing multiple people in the same picture. it wasn't like the president was sitting alone with steve bannon plotting and deciding how to move forward. i mean obviously steve bannon was on the campaign. obviously he was in the white house. but he wasn't on the ballot. the people voted for donald trump. steve bannon was not some svengali for the campaign. donald trump was able to defeat 16 republican candidates, accomplished republican candidates, seven weeks before hillary clinton could defeat three and that was without steve bannon. we just passed tax reform without steve bannon so i'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. even you just made the point that you haven't corroborated so many of the stories in this book. i do want to make one point if i may. >> right, but i don't want to confuse that with that we've tried and failed and are saying
it isn't true. i'm just saying cnn has not had the time to go through and corroborate that. i just want to make it clear. >> this morning i released a statement on behalf of the white house about a meeting that president donald trump was having with several sitting united states senators about a major agenda item moving forward and it was immigration. i received no -- and i also had an on the record statement in that e-mail. i received no fewer than three inquiries from cnn asking for corroboration, which is exactly what cnn is supposed to do. however, this book comes out and you guys run it lock, stock and barrel out deciding to corroborate any of it ahead of time? what we're showing you are steve bannon's quotes, which were on the record from steve bannon, okay? he has not questioned any of them. that is all you have seen on this program right now and of course as i point out, janice minn corroborating a dinner she was at and ann coulter
corroborating his. >> sean spicer denied his, mick mulvaney denied his, so i just want to know where it stops because it's pretty obvious that there are many discrepancies. this is full of false information, inaccuracies, and quite frankly this author is quite frankly a crackpot, fake news fantasy fiction writer and it's been proven time and time again. by his own admission he says he's loose with the facts and journalists say that's his reputation. so let's not run this wall to wall on cnn saying it's all factual, it's not. >> again, what we're saying is this is what the book says and the quotes i'm sharing are from steve bannon. i want to talk to you about some of the allegations who they are attributed to say they happened, okay? >> okay. >> but first i want to talk about the effort today to say steve bannon wasn't a big player, wasn't instrumental to the winning, all the things you just said. it's not just the pictures, which you're right, it's not just him and the president, but
it includes jared kushner, who i think we all know is close to the president. >> who's still there, by the way. >> right. i'm just simply saying if you've got a group and it's jared kushner, steve bannon, the president and someone else, i think people know the point i'm making. it isn't just the pictures, it's what the president of the united states himself said about steve bannon, who again is on the record in these quotes in the book. here's the president. >> i have a very good relationship, as you know, with steve bannon. steve has been a friend of mine for a long time. i like steve a lot. steve is very committed. he's a friend of mine and he's very committed to getting things passed. i like mr. bannon, he's a friend of mine. bannon has -- you know, i like him a lot. he's actually a very good guy. >> steve is a very good guy. >> now the book comes out and, what, he's just a total liar? all that's false? i'm trying to understand. >> well, that was then and this is now. obviously over the course of mr. bannon's time in the white house, you've seen the results that he produced, which was
desist. they're not ceasing and desisting. in fact they have pushed the publish date up by four days. it's coming out tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. the publisher says we see it as an extraordinary contribution to our national discourse. what's your response to that? >> i'm no attorney so i'm going to leave the attorneys to litigate with the attorneys for the -- the spokes people for this piece of tabloid trash, but it's pretty obvious that if i were an attorney, there are plenty of accusations in that book that have already been disproven. there are plenty of accusations in that book that are not credible. and again, i'm not an attorney but it seems like i'd have a field day with that in a court of law. >> let me just take one. janice minn, editor for "the hollywood reporter" was at that dinner which included roger ailes and steve bannon. she said that it was an astonishing dinner, everything in the book is absolutely accurate. one of the exchanges that was reported in the book about that dinner went like this. what has he gotten himself into with the russians, pressed
>> yes, and that's what we do every single day. thank you so much, hogan, i appreciate your time. >> absolutely, thanks, erin. i want to go to mark preston. your reaction, mark. >> well, a couple things. i think the most important thing that hogan said out of that interview, erin, is that he said all bets are off now. meaning that the war that we've been discussing or we think might come to fruition between steve bannon and between president trump is very much real and is very much not going to be over any time soon. we saw steve bannon kind of try to put i guess a fig leaf or olive branch out to the president by saying some nice things on his breitbart radio program, but the fact of the matter is it's clear that the president wants blood now from steve bannon. >> look, they're engaging in a he said, he said, he said, she said, whatever it is. well, two said that but how many more people -- you heard that whole exchange and back and forth. they want to raise doubt on everything in here, and as he points out, there are some things in here which are directly contradicted, the people who are in, not about
that particular exchange but others that people said didn't happen. they think that raising more questions will cause a problem. but of course the book will be a top best seller. how does it play out? >> it plays out this way. if we go over the past year and take the book and overlay it with the reporting with cnn, "the washington post," the associated press, there does seem to be a lot of similarities. certainly the way that donald trump came to decisions. one of the most important things that i read that came out of that book is the disinterest that we saw from president trump when it came to details about very important subjects. people that i have talked to over the past year have corroborated that. they told me that he was very disinterested in these details and the chaos in the white house is very much real. >> yeah, certainly we have that. there's a couple instances of things in here that i know from talking to the people involved also happened as reported. again, a couple out of many, but we'll see as the reporting continues. thank you so very much, mark.
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including within that at least two dozen requests of him asking to have an interview with the president, which he never did. >> wolff, though, said he had extraordinary access to trump. he said he was able to take up something like a semi-permanent seat on a couch in the west wing, an idea wolff claims was encouraged by the president himself. wolff says he conducted over 200 interviews over 18 months, says he has tapes and says those interviews include the president himself and most members of the senior staff. also according to axios, the reporting outlet, wolff says some of those conversations are taped, including those with steve bannon. so outfront now, one of the people quoted in the new book, sam nunberg. good to have you back on, it's been a while. the white house is calling the book complete fantasy, sad, pathetic. you just heard hogan gidley in a similar vein. you spoke to michael wolff for the book. >> three times.
>> you had conversations. you're quoted in the book. you're mentioned in the book several times and now we're looking at it, sam hasn't seen all of the times, but one time he quotes about how you were explaining the constitution to trump. >> right. >> he quotes you as saying i got as far as the fourth amendment before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back in his head. tell me the context in which this happened. >> sure. first of all, the context of it was that the president before the first debate, i was out of the campaign starting around september of 2015. the president before the first debate was going to one of his properties in europe and we were trying to get a lot of issues in before he left so he couldn't get these gotcha questions or infamous gotcha questions before the 2016 cycle. the infamous one asking rudy giuliani the difference between a sunni and a shia. i was able to go over some of these questions where i thought possibly on the constitution some people either on the stage as competitors or some of these moderators would try to ask him quick questions. it wasn't to teach him the constitution. he knows the constitution.
it was to say here's per se something that has been asked before. we didn't get -- we only got to the fourth amendment there and at that time he remembered. besides running for president, he was running his business. so i'm not criticizing michael. i like michael. a political book, i believe it's not nonfiction, but on the other hand, they use puffery and try to create a narrative. >> so you did get as far as the fourth amendment. you don't know his motive for becoming disinterested. >> he had a ton of things to do. one other thing in general that i wanted to say that's perhaps not in this book is the president and i had a common disagreement. the president was 100% correct and i was incorrect. >> about whether there was going to be a gotcha question. >> in general what the average voter wanted. if the average voter wanted cerebral esoteric minutia answers, then they weren't going to vote for donald trump to begin with. the president understood if he was going to win the nomination,
he understood this better than me that it was going to be about big ideas. >> so you're getting to the motive of whatever it was, disinterested or -- >> and i'm not spinning for him. i'm a supporter of his. i don't work for the white house and don't try to make money off the white house. from where i stand he's appointed the best judges. >> and you agree with his politics. you were working for them briefly. many of the quotes here, rupert murdoch, expletive, and by the way, that's the trend all the way through the book. >> there's a lot of cursing. we're new yorkers. you know what i mean? this is a very aggressive type -- >> and those quotes are in there. >> yes. >> but most of them consistently point to trump's wide-ranging ignorance. you're framing that, it sounds like in this conversation, the context of he had other things to do or he judged that the voter wouldn't care. >> in general -- >> but what's your takeaway about his ideas and interest in
policy. >> in general, he is a stubborn, stubborn man in a way where you can argue with him about what he needs to know, you can argue with him about what he wants to do, but i tell you what, he's sitting in the oval office. say what you want about him, he got 306 electoral votes. he won the states that i didn't think he was going to win up to four days before when i was talking to people in the campaign and the trend was going there. and i could see that and i'm surprised from reading the book. i don't know this because i don't talk to him while he's in the white house. i can see he's not going to change. that is him. that is it. >> so you know steve bannon well. >> yes. >> you just heard hogan gidley come on and say they don't know each other. it's absurd. >> he did a pretty bad job, by the way. >> were they close? >> they're very close. they were very close. i can tell you when i worked from the president from 2011 through 2015, and i was essentially with michael stone and roger stone, the only people supporting and believing that he could be elected president, there were two people that would take our phone calls.
steve bannon at breitbart, chris ruddy at news max, that was it. and he was a very good person for us to get -- you know, to spring ideas off of. i'm sorry that this happened. i disagree with what steve said about don junior. he should not have said that. steve should also not havin sin waited anything about money laundering with the trump organization. i had nothing to do with president trump's business or president trump's business. anything i heard of anything, there was nothing above the letter of the law there. >> look, i think you're putting the nuance here, which is important. overall -- >> yes. >> -- the president is saying bannon is sour grapes, he's lost his mind was his quote. >> yes. >> you were let go from the trump campaign and then sued for allegedly leaking information. that's what they have said. what's your response if they come out and say hey you, you're just sour grapes, you're a liar, as you heard hogan try to do about everything in the book. >> my response is i hope the president is very successful. i'm not trying to get a job in the white house. i think it's amazing that he won
this election. i i think he's a man of historic proportions. one of the things he took a quote out of context was he's going to be the most famous man in the world. i support his re-election and hope to be able to donate to him in 2020. my point is anything i told michael, the point was this guy is a very unique, interesting guy. you're not going to see this. the same way you're not going to see another barack obama, you're not going to see another donald trump in the oval office. >> thank you very much for your time. now let's go to our chief analyst gloria borger and richard painter. gloria, a big takeaway from sam. he's not denying what was said in terms of what he said. obviously he's trying to say maybe that the nuance of it is a little bit different when it's coming in but he's not saying that that moment did not happen. >> no, he's not. look, his point i think to you
is that donald trump is different from anyone we've ever seen in the oval office. >> right. >> that he's unique, he's interesting, and he's stubborn. this is who he is. and that, you know, he didn't deny the anecdote at all, but it seems to me as if he said this is the guy who won. >> right. >> that's who he is. >> it is what it is and that's who he is. so take it for what you want. but it is what it is. richard, president trump's lawyer, that cease and desist letter, they sent it. the response is no. they think it's an extraordinary contribution to american society. they are not pulling it out. but this -- pulling the book out. i'm sorry, in fact they're rushing it to the press. yet the white house is fighting this so aggressively. i don't know if you heard hogan gidley but everybody is a liar, liar, liar. why not just ignore it? >> i don't know why the president is doing that.
apparently that briefing on the constitution, up through the fourth amendment, i assume he spent the whole time speaking of the second amendment and guns. the first amendment he has no idea of. there is absolutely no way you can go into court and get a judge to enjoin the distribution of a book. even "the new york times" when they were publishing classified information in the pentagon papers, the courts were unwilling to hold that "the new york times" violated the law by doing that, the same with wikileaks. we do not enjoin publication of anything. this book doesn't even contain classified information. libel suits cannot be brought by public figures unless they show an extremely high degree of malice and reckless disregard for the truth. those suits can only be brought after the fact, after the book is published.
so this idea that you can ask for cease and desist is utterly ridiculous. it shows no understanding of the first amendment of the constitution, and we just don't do business that way in this country. in russia or some other country maybe the president can say that a book can't be sold and shut down the presses. not here. >> all right, not here. as we said, 9:00 a.m. tomorrow morning that book will be on the shelves, four days earlier than planned. thank you both. next, remarkable meetings between lawmakers and a yale university psychiatrist who said trump is, quote, unraveling. i'll speak to a congressman who was briefed and can tell you what was said. and president trump taking credit for north and south korea talking. does his own secretary, secretary mattis, agree? ♪
because getting what you need should be simple, fast, and easy. download the xfinity my account app or go online today. new tonight, the president's mental health was the subject of a meeting between a dozen lawmakers and a yale psychiatrist who believes the president is, quote, unraveling. news of this unusual meeting coming as the white house for the second time in as many days is defending the president's mental health. >> what's the president's reaction to the growing number of suggestions both in this book and in the media that he's mentally unfit to serve as president? >> the same way we have when it's been asked before, that it's disgraceful and laughable. if he was unfit, he probably wouldn't be sitting there and wouldn't have defeated the most qualified group of candidates the republican party has ever seen. this is an incredibly strong and
good leader. >> sunlen serfaty is outfront in washington tonight. so what can you tell us about this meeting, how it came to be and who was there? >> erin, this briefing happened in early december up here on capitol hill. a small group of lawmakers took this briefing, about a dozen democrats and republicans and at least one republican senator took this meeting. this meeting was set up by a former u.s. attorney at the request of many lawmakers. a briefing specifically to look at donald trump's fitness, mental fitness to be president. i spoke with one of the psychiatrists that briefed these lawmakers, dr. bandy lee from yale university. when i spoke to her today, she said the lawmakers in that briefing were engaged, they were asking questions, interested, and specifically in that briefing she said she believes according to her professional opinion that donald trump is showing signs of impairment is what she told them. she believes he's become very
unstable very quickly, that he is unraveling. again, in her opinion. and that she believes he seems to be losing his grip on reality. and she left that meeting, erin, with the impression that many lawmakers were legitimately concerned about president trump's mental health. a big side note to all of this, one that dr. lee did emphasize in my conversation with her today, she said she's not in a formal position to formally diagnose his condition given that there are certain protocols for medical professionals and given that she has not examined him herself. >> thank you very much. i want to go to maryland congressman jamie raskin who met with the doctor. i appreciate your time. what did she tell you? >> well, i think she spoke to a lot of people in the mental health community in telling us that there are growing signs of paranoia, delusion and isolation in the president's behavior. any hope that we had that it might turn around or get better was dashed by the discussion.
she and other mental health professionals we've spoken to have said there are other people who they have treated with the same kinds of symptoms and there's basically no real medical cure for the condition that he's demonstrating and their object in treating people with these symptoms is to contain them and to keep them away from weaponry. >> so contain them and keep them away from weaponry. and you're saying she is not the only professional of her level of expertise who said this to you? >> well, dr. lee, of course, editted a book called "the dangerous case of donald trump." and there are dozens of essays and articles in there. i read the book before she came down. you know, there's this group called duty to warn with thousands of mental health professionals. now, from our perspective, we're not psychiatrists, we're not mental health professionals, that's not our job. but it is our job to enforce the constitution. and the 25th amendment has a way of dealing with this potential
crisis. >> and i want to ask you about that, it's about fitness to serve. but first sarah sanders, she says it's disgraceful and laughable to question the president's mental fitness. he wouldn't be in the oval office if he was unfit. what's your response to that? she has a point. the man went through a grueling campaign and he won. >> yeah. to begin with, the president himself has called people a nut job, a basket case, accused other people are going insane as recently as yesterday when i think he said that steve bannon was losing his mindin. to the psychiatrist that looks like a massive projection on the part of the president. look, this is america, we've got the first amendment and everybody has a right to speak whether in a book or from the oval office and people can talk. my interest is doing our duty under the 25th amendment. 50 years ago both houses of congress, overwhelming majorities of democrats and republicans alike said we've got to prepare for the possibility
of a president who becomes physically or mentally impaired and unable to execute the powers and duties of office. and there are two ways that the provisions are activated under the fourth provision of the 25th amendment. one is the vice president and the cabinet can act, but the framers of the 25th amendment knew that the cabinet -- >> that's not going to happen. >> so the other is the vice president and a body to be set up by congress. that body unfortunately was never set up. in 50 years that body has not been set up, but we've got legislation to do it. today the 57th co-sponsor joined the legislation and it's a bipartisan body appointed by republicans, by democrats, with a chair appointed by democrats and republicans together with psychiatrists, with physicians and with former states people on it. so there's nothing to be afraid of because this body will act in the interest of the country and that's what the 25th amendment is all about. >> okay. so let me ask you, though, to this point. your republican colleague in the senate, richard shelby, today
said i don't know the president well but i spent an hour and a half with him back in september, just the two of us talking. he seemed to be lucid. i think he's different, i think he's unique. we're all unique individuals. that's his description of it. look, we all know it, the guy isn't like pretty much anybody else. that's unique. that doesn't mean that he's unstable. is it possible you're blowing all of this out of proportion? >> well, every person in the country is unique, undoubtedly. the question is whether or not you are constitutionally capable of executing the powers and duties of the office of the presidency of the united states. you know, we have 535 members of congress. we only have one president, and that person as the president reminded us this week has control over nuclear weaponry and the ability to take the world to war. so this is -- this goes beyond the normal push and pull of the daily political gossip. this goes to the question of the security of the country, the
survival of our people and people around the world. so i just think that we need to take our responsibility seriously. there's enough questions that have been raised that we would not be doing our constitutional duty if we don't set the body up in the event that things continue to spiral downward. >> congressman raskin, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you very much. and next, president trump taking credit for talks between north and south korea, which, bby the way, historically important thing, a big success. his own defense secretary doesn't seem quite to agree with who gets the credit. and the east coast frozen. laguardia airport in new york barely reopening. other airports completely shut down. a massive cyclone bomb.
>> ian bremmer is president and founder of the eurasia group. it's great to have you in person, ian. >> good to be here. >> the president came out taking full credit, that's the way he operates, saying it's international pressure, it's a much broader thing. which is it? >> i'll give him partial credit here. stuff he's done well. he's gotten the chinese more onboard, tougher sanctions, including at the security council as well as cracking down individually because he linked it to american trade. he made it a high priority issue. that's worked. he's also forced the north koreans under pressure to consider that talks with others would be a good idea, right? so you give trump some credit for that, more than you would obama. but north korea testing all these icbms, ramping up on that, which is quite dangerous, doing it because they're concerned, they feel like they need a stronger deterrent before they go into negotiations. they have definitely picked that up because of trump. most importantly, south korea, our ally, going by themselves to
talk to the chinese and the north koreans because they understand that trump's america first policy sure as hell isn't a south korea first policy. they have to worry about themselves. that's what they're doing. that's an ally that isn't as strong of the americans right now working their own game. >> all right. so the president finished that tweet, i said in part. the end of the tweet said fools, referring to the experts who said that he wasn't doing a good job. talks are a good thing. now, look, a lot of people would say of course talks are a good thing, exempt the president for himself said talks were a bad thing. in october he tweeted i told rex tillerson, our wonderful secretary of state, when you know something like that you know he's about to slam you, that he is wasting his time trying to negotiate with little rocket man. okay, so now talks are a good thing but then they were a bad thing. >> the thing about trump is his ability to pivot 180 when it serves his purpose at the moment is vastly greater than any other
president. mexico is going to pay for the wall, now they're not. >> he thinks it's a strength to be completely inconsistent. >> i don't know if he thinks it's a strength. i certainly think that he's in the moment. he's tactical, he's not strategic. in that regard, if there were the potential for a deal between north and south korea, that trump would have personally savaged a month ago, he could swoop in and say my deal. we could see a break-through because of trump's inconsistency but we could also see war. >> that's a pretty terrifying binary choice. >> it's binary. >> the last 20 years haven't been good. a whole bunch of presidents kicking the can down the road. >> building in one direction. but no one ever said there's going to be a binary outcome, which eventually i guess there would have been. >> eventually the alternative is we just learn to live with a nuclear north korea. >> and that's the way it is, as the united states has done with nuclear power after nuclear power. >> yeah. i mean i think it is certainly much more likely today that a
miscalculation will lead to war on the peninsula. >> and what's your take of the my button is bigger than yours, which at best was juvenile? >> yeah. but i will also say that 98% of the coverage that i've seen at least in the united states this week on north korea has been about the button. >> yeah. >> and by far the most important point on north korea is that for the first time since kim jong-un has become leader, the north and the south koreans are now talking routinely by telephone directly. that's actually what matters. it matters because it could lead to a break-through and it could isolate the americans against north and south korea. we should be talking about that, but it's not entertaining and trump knows how to get us worked up by putting these tweets out. i mean it is a useful strategy. >> all right, ian, thank you so much. wonderful to see you. >> you too. next, blizzard warnings maine to florida. the berweather bomb cyclone, th is the technical teller, delivering. and the president's bizarre appearance at the briefing today. he was 200 feet away.
why did he appear like this?
cyclone wreaking havoc. jfk closed. too dangerous to take off. hundreds of thousands of passengers stranded. savage winds pushing frozen massachusetts bay over its banks. foot of water surging through boston. homes and buildings surrounding by floating chunks of ice. cars submerged, frozen and conditions are getting worse because of the temperature plummeting. alex this is incredibly powerful storm. what is it like where you are right now? >> reporter: you're right. this bomb cyclone exploding up and down the coast of massachusetts, mass flooding into homes and roadways. leading to rescues in homes from vehicles. here in boston this afternoon i watched flood waters come up over the docks of the boston harbor, mixing with snow in the streets.
creating this slush-like thing that looked like molten lava, told tide reached 15.1 feet, possibly tying a record from 1978 blizzard. snow not falling but gusting all around. watched crews working all day to clear the roads. this is in center of boston, done a pretty good job clearing this road. 750 vehicles out clearing roads, sidewalks, throwing down salt to make it safe for people. city officials asking people to hunker down and stay at home for their own safety and so they can do the work to clear the streets. in terms of the snow, look at all of this, this is all from the last 24 hours. falling at rate of two to three inches throughout course of the day. reaching as you see now, around a foot i would say. up to my knees.
in some parts up to 16 inches. it's not the know that officials are worried about. bostonians and people from massachusetts can deal with snow and cold. used to it. but wind that follows the snowstorm, the extreme cold, temperatures down to under zero, possibly setting records, can lead to power outages. governor of massachusetts has said 24,000 outages already and could crow, people losing heat is danger they face. >> and airports closed across the east coast, worst is still to come. cold is crippling and perhaps greater in some places than anything ever before seen. >> yeah. these crews -- city can deal with snow. that's not what they're afraid
of. arctic temperatures. talking about go to minus seven between now and sunday. temperatures that we're told by scientists are seen on mars. can have a crippling effect as you said. power and heat, that's dangerous situation for people who have been told to stay home but now home, possibly without power or heat by the tens of thousands. erin. >> thank you alex from boston. breaking news in the russia investigation from robert mueller, "new york times" reporting tonight that president trump told the white house's top lawyer to stop attorney general jeff sessions from recusing himself from the russia investigation. white house counsel mcgahn according to "times" told sessions and he did not listen
as we know. "times" said upon hearing that he was going to recuse himself president erupted in anger in fronts officials saying he needed attorney general to protect him. special counsel robert mueller has learned of this. on the phone, michael zeldin, cnn legal analyst, worked with bob mueller. the "new york times," michael schmidt reporting. way he wrote first sentence is important. president trump gave firm instructions in march to the white house's top lawyer, stop the attorney general jeff sessions from recusing himself in the justice department investigation into russia. firm instructions to the white house top lawyer. what does it mean? >> well, it means that the president wanted don mcgahn to try to talk sessions out of his belief that the justice department regulations that
prohibit him from being attorney general on this didn't apply. mcgahn failed to convince sessions of that. he was quite clear in his testimony that he believes -- correct in his belief -- he has no choice but recuse himself because of the role he played in the campaign. mcgahn tries, sessions adheres to the law. mcgahn fails, president erupts. what that is relevant mostly to russia investigation is whether it's another brick in the wall as we keep calling it of the president's obstructionist behavior. >> do you think it is obstruction when you hear this? >> no. i think the president has the right to say to his white house counsel, go talk to the attorney general, try to convince him he doesn't need to do this under the president's interpretation of the law.
because the attorney general doesn't agree with him and does recuse himself, doesn't make it obstructionist behavior. but it does speak to the president's state of mind about the russia investigation and how concerned he was about how much mueller might do damage to his presidency and that he needed as they say in the "new york times" article, a roy coen, someone to protect him from mueller. he's concerned about mueller but can't get his attorney general not to obey the law. good for sessions, bad luck for the attorney who has to deliver this message and obviously bad luck for the president because he's still enmired in this mess. >> the justice department is fighting back tonight michael, spokesperson telling us about this report from michael schmidt, a top notch reporter from the "times," could not and would not happen.
plain and simple. this is the way they handle everything in the trump administration, just say point blank something didn't happen. maybe it didn't, maybe it was slightly different or maybally point blank lie. it's hard to tell the difference. >> mcgahn had to know at this point there were clear regulations that prohibited attorney general from overseeing matter involving political campaign in which he was active participant. wasn't a choice for sessions, that's what he testified to, that's why he recused himself. mcgahn has a client demanding an outcome that's not obtainable. that's just the way it is. maybe the justice department's point of view is he didn't order sessions to stay on but rather tried to convince mcgahn that sessions didn't have to do this,
and it was -- it was also amazing that it was just -- it was so hard to hear her. you know, we could have very easily taken two more steps and wouldn't be able to hear her at all. >> joining us from montecito, california, gadi schwartz. videos of images coming out of there, unbelievable to see and see that girl pulled out as that guy said and so unscathed from it. what are you seeing on the ground there, gadi? >> reporter: yeah, such a remarkable rescue. that 14-year-old girl thought she had died when they pulled her out. all of his hit around 3:45 in the morning. most people were sleeping in houses like this. they wake up, their neighbors, alarms going off, they're surrounded by what, they get in the car, try to hunker down in their home. and this was the type of debris
this is what happens. >> we'll talk to bill karins about that in a little bit. >> gadi schwartz, thank you. in a rare public event president trump put in full display the bipartisan negotiation over a deal to protect thousand of undocumented immigrants. reporters were in the room as the president promised to sign a bill to extend the daca program if congress was able to reach an agreement. nbc news peter alexander has more. >> reporter: inside the west wing -- >> if you don't have the world, you cannot have security. >> reporter: for merely an hour. >> you have created an opportunity here, mr. president. and you need to close the deal. >> reporter: a remarkable televised negotiating session. >> what about a clean daca bill now? >> we don't want to be back here two years later. we have to have security. >> reporter: president trump seemingly taking nearly over controversial position he's had on immigration, even giving democrats what they want, a bill
>> he said exactly as he did in that room, let's work together. >> our thanks to peter alexander. president trump promised to be a dealmaker president and he told the bipartisan gathering yesterday. take a listen. >> our system lends itself to not getting things done. i hear about earmarks, the old earmarks system how there was a great friendliness with earmarks. maybe all of you should start thinking about going back to a form of earmarks. because this system -- this system -- no, then he should do it. >> and that's another big story that's playing out on capitol hill. senator dianne feinstein, the top democrat on the judiciary committee defied republicans when she decided to release the august testimony of fusion gps
chairman simpson. we know the firm hired christopher steele to do research on trump which became the infamous steele dossier. among the takeaways from the testimony, simpson said he was interested in finding out information about trump's business activities. testifying that trump had, quote, made a number of trips to russia and talked about doing a number of business deals but never actually did one and that struck me as a little bit odd in calling for an explanation. so in june or may of 2006, simpson said he hired steele who he described as, quote, a lead russianist for the british secret service. according to simpson's testimony in september 2016, steele told an fbi contact that he believed donald trump was enthralled with russian intelligence. and that he believed russian intelligence was cooperating with the campaign. steele passed the information on to the fbi more than a year ago.
and according toe simpson, the bureau said it had already heard something along those lines. we now know the information that the fbi heard came from an australian diplomat who according to the "the new york times" told the fbi that he had drinks with trump campaign aide george papadopoulos and that papadopoulos had e-mails that would of course hillary clinton. >> now, to the process of how this information became public, a spokesman for chairman grassley told totally confounding would release the testimony unilaterally, claiming it would jeopardize the judiciary committee. here's senator feinstein defending her actions. >> reporter: why did you decide to that? >> because, i think people are entitled to know what was said. and the lawyers also, i snee problem with releasing it. >> but senator feinstein,
senator grassley said you jeopardized getting certain witnesses like kushner. your reaction? >> i don't think so. that's been difficult. >> why do you think they referred steele to the justice department, potential investigation? >> to my view, to my knowledge, there has not been a single fact in that report that has been proven to be incorrect. that it's really the muddying of waters that create a problem. you know, steele brought this information out to the fbi. and it's quite amazing that we get punished for providing information. >> that sounding very forthcoming there. >> yeah. >> while grassley is blasting the decision, there are republicans on the committee who support finestein's moves. senator john cornyn said he thinks it's a good idea, adding,
quote, i respect senator grassley. but i think it's important. what i do want is for the public to see. meanwhile the president's lawyer michael kohn is now using buzzfeed over that. we'll have more on that. breitbart announced that bannon would step down. in the controversy that sparked backlash from the president. "the new york times" reports that bannon was and bannon's position at breitbart grew untenable as associates described him as unable to grasp the severity of the fallout at the white house. over the weekend, bannon had backtracked on his reported comments telling his radio show listeners that he expected to
stay on at the news site. and that he supports the trump agenda. now, bannon is leaving breitbart, but not expected to leave politics. citing a "washington post" report, bannon has told associates that he plans on creating a 2018 political operation. and a source close to bannon tells nbc news that bannon believes president trump is transactional, and that they will have a relationship once again. >> joining us is deputy news editor for axios, dave waller. give us what you think is there do progress, with the sticking points with the president saying i'll take the heat for it, if we want to make changes here. what are your take-aways? >> two big takeaways, first, president trump is in a really good place in terms of his rhetoric. he said he wants a bill of love.
that's not something you'd expect from a president who ran on a hard line immigration policy. he also wants to have a deal on daca. you take that aside, you think, okay, maybe we're in a position to get a deal. the problem is there's four big issues outstanding on immigration alone in terms of border security. chain migration, visas and then daca. we're not really any closer on those four issues and we're coming up on a deadline january 19th for a government shutdown. democrats say we can get deals by then. that seems like a long way to go in just a short period of time. >> dave, let me ask you something that came up yesterday in the meeting because the president that actually brought this up and kind of struck people. the idea of bringing back ear marx or pork barrel spending as it's pejoratively known. what are the pros and cons of bringing this type back into legislation, or dealmaking? >> yeah, this is something that was being discussed in kind of hushed voices, right. president trump, that's not his
strategy. it's a politically toxic issue. the idea that members could have little giveaways for them, in order to get their votes on a bill. it's something that voters have kind of, obviously, turned on. it feels like the swamp, something that president trump wouldn't necessarily support. although it does make close votes a little bit easier to pass. and we've had a lot of close votes under trump. so, there is a case to be made that maybe you could pass more bills if you're able to give these little perks. >> there are certainly some audible reactions in the room when the president brought up the idea of bringing back earmarks, that is for sure. >> for sure. i think it's a controversial issue, dave lawler, we'll check back in a bit. le following the diplomatic talks between north and south korea, and why president trump is actually getting some of the credit. and arizona ex-sheriff joe
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welcome back, everybody. south korean president moon jae-in said he's open to meeting north korean leader kim jong-un kim jong-un in person. moon stresses holding talks for the sake of holding talks cannot be the goal. and that his country will never accept a nuclear north korea. his comments come one day after historic high-level talks between north and south korea centering around north korea's participation in the upcoming winter olympics. the two sides also agreed to hold talks to ease tensions on the pnc. president moon said that president trump deserves great credit for instigating those discussions. that comes after trump lavished praise on himself several times this week for his role. we will have a live report from
seoul. and a earthquake struck the coast of honduras before 10:00 p.m. eastern time. on the coasts of mexico and central america, but no tsunami actually materialized. there were also no reports of earlier reports of serious damages or casualties on land after the quake struck. last night's earthquake was one of the largest, believe it or not to hit the caribbean in history. the 2010 earthquake, the magnitude of 7.0. let's get a check of weather with nbc meteorologist bill karins. bill, we had gadi schwartz on from california. he saw the power of the mudslides. is there more rain on the way? >> well, they've dried out. here the worst fire in history for total achae a acreages burne
only had one fate targllty. you saw trees just the inkrenn force of that water raging through that region. again, recovery today. that was just tossed there in the middle of that wash. the storm itself has now moved into arizona. it's providing a little bit of rain. it's still a threat to the inner mountain west. ski areas are getting snow at higher elevations. it's going to plague all of us, some areas getting rain, some snow and some ice. for today, tomorrow and tomorrow, winter storm watches for minneapolis, omaha. so the central plains today into tonight that we get some of this snow. not a huge ordeal. it looks to be 1 to 3 inches across the area. this area of blue, could be as
much as 6. rochester, virginia, maybe ames gets more than that. a lot of snow in iowa, you will be plowing or shoveling come tomorrow morning at this time. as far as the snowfall forecast through thursday, and then as far as the ice goes, this is going to be thursday afternoon. into friday. and this looks like the possibility of an ice storm, quarter inch to a half inch, all of the ohio valley, kentucky. even portions of tennessee, back to pittsburgh, guys. a messy storm. hey, california, it's going to head all the way to the east coast as we go throughout the weekend. >> bill, it's not record rainfall, or abnormally high inches of rain that's falling, right? it's the combination, that you're saying, fire, and the mud and everything that was beforehand with that? >> well, it was the combination of the late fire. that fire -- almost never do we get fires this huge in december. and then the vegetation had no time to re-establish itself. re-establish the roots. >> right. >> you know, someone was making
the comparison to like, you know, a late season or hurricane or even an early season hurricane. it just happened kind of out of season that fire. and then with the huge wet weather, big storm behind it. this was a big storm. san francisco had one of its top 20 rainiest days in history. yeah, it was a big storm on the heels the fire. >> and that combination. thanks for that, bill. still ahead, with the college football national championships in the books, the focus turn to the hardwood. one of the stars breaking records before the games even starts. sports is next. on, 1,200 workers are starting their day building on over a hundred years of heritage, craftsmanship and innovation. today we're bringing you america's number one shave at lower prices every day. putting money back in the pockets of millions of americans. as one of those workers, i'm proud to bring you gillette quality for less, because nobody can beat the men and women of gillette.
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that's what really drives me to- to save lives. welcome back. time now for sports. last night, the college football season ended. now, let's focus on some college basketball, because march maddingness is on our door step. number 21 kentucky up by one with four seconds misses the free throw. texas a&m with a chance. but the ball is thrown out of bounds. a controversial no call with the kentucky hold. kentucky escapes this one with the win. moving to number five, purdue in danger of being upset by michigan. a missed free throw again. michigan is unable to connect for deep three. purdue hangs on 70-69. right now to 9112, kansas squaring off against iowa state. kansas up by three. the jayhawks steal the ball. malik newman with the slam.
and an alley-oop kansas wins. number two west virginia up by three, baylor inbounds. the court there, open shot, no good. the mountaineers survive that one 57-54. seton hall was the only top-25 team who played last night who did not escape. they lost handily 84-64 to big east rival marquette, thanks to marquette senior andrew rousey. let's switch gears going to the nfl and the head coaching carousel. the oakland raiders roll out the black carpet to the new and returning coach jon gruden. gruden coached the raiders 1968 to 71. and then for the buccaneers. gruden was let go by the bucs in 2008. he's not coached next. he's worked as a broadcaster for
"monday night football." i'm sure he'll be missed there. he's reported to have signed a ten-year contract with the black. mikaela shiffrin is making history with a victory in last night's slalom event in austria. the 22-year-old is now the first skier to win five straight world cup races. shiffrin matches the record of most world cup wins before turning 23 earning her first victory. shiffrin is favored to win three gold medals for team usa in pyeongchang. guys, i cannot believe she's not even 23 years old. >> yeah, a lot of interest building around her and the u.s. team in south korea. >> for sure. >> that's basically how i leave the gates when i get there. >> is that what you did, jackson hole when you hit -- still ahead, more on the capitol hill reaction to president trump's reaction to reach a bipartisan deal on
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debris to come crashing into neighborhoods there. the flooding comes after the first major rainstorm in the quake of a record-setting wildfire that has left the area without vegetation to soak up the rain. s the massive earthquake hit off the coast of hond nduurahon. tsunami warning were kished for the hawaiian sides and south america. thankfully no tsunami materialized and there are no reports of injuries or casualties. and senator die nan finestein has leased the testimony of fusion gps glenn simpson. and chris stouffer steele to do opposition research on donald trump which later became the infamous dossier. grassley is blasting the decision. other republicans on the committee are supporting finestein's move. meanwhile, donald trump's personal attorney michael kohn
has filed two separate defamation lawsuits, one against phusion gps and other against buzzfeed for public issue willing the document. one claimed that his wife is russian and that her father is a leading property developer in russia which allows that relationship with the russian government. the lawsuit said cohen's wife is ukrainian. and that her father has only been to russia once. buzzfeed published it last january and says it plans to fight the lawsuit. ben smith the editor-in-chief will speak live with joe and mika later this morning. the fallout from steve bannon's comments in a new book exposing the chaos inside the trump presidency is worried that he's leaving his post at breitbart news. >> it's the twist in a stunning week of what has caused the president to get elected. hallie jackson has more.
>> reporter: a breitbart bombshell for steve bannon, stepping down less than 48 hours after trying to defuse his verbal grenades published in a tell-all book. his explosive comments slamming the president and president's son-in-law, igniting responses from donors and from his former boss, the president himself nicknaming him sloppy steve. >> who breitbart part ways with steve bannon after the comments in the books? >> i certainly think it's something they should look at. >> reporter: bannon left the white house in a sudden shake-up this summer, resumed his role as the breitbart chairman said i'm proud of what the breitbart team has accomplished in such a short period of time building that news platform. it's a controversial platform, too. with bannon, the lightning rod telling "60 minutes" -- >> i'm a street fighter. >> reporter: he's also the enemy of established republicans who were nearly gleeful after his
fall from grace in the eyes of the president. and in the eyes of some conservatives who did not back bannon's preferred pick in the alabama senate race. >> he has presided over the freak show wing of the republican party. and that legacy of his is one that will continue forward. >> reporter: bannon, self-styled as a shadowy mastermind, keeper of the nationalist fling. but sources close to him telling nbc news tonight he's ready to move more into politics. hallie jackson, the white house. president trump had to clarify his position on what is the signature issue of the 2016 campaign, you may recall the border wall with mexico that mexico pays for. after an hour-long on-camera bipartisan meeting where both republicans and democrats tested the president on what would be his core issue, trump said he would accept their recommendations, watch this. >> what about a clean daca bill
now? >> i have no problem. we're going to come up with daca. we're going to do daca. went we'll start immediately on phase two which would be comprehensive. >> you need to be clear, i think what senator feinstein is asking, when you talk be daca, we have to have security as the secretary would tell you? >> i think that's what she's saying. >> what do you think i'm saying? >> i'm thinking you're saying daca without security. >> you know, i would vote for the path to citizenship which isn't very easy for me, but i would do it just as an effort. but there's certain things that we've got to guarantee that we're going to do. >> that's got to be brought up. i really believe that will be brought up of part of what we're talking about. it's incentive for people to do a good job, if you want to know the truth. that whole path would be incentive for people to work hard and do a good job.
that could very well be brought up. >> it seems to me not much has actually changed here in terms of your positions? >> i think it's changed -- i think my positions are going to be what the people in this room come up. i'm very much reliant on the people in this room. i have a lot of respect for the people on both sides. and my position is going to be what the people in this room come to me with. i have great confidence -- if they come to me with things i'm not in love with, i'm going to do it, because i respect them. >> republican surrogates went out to re-establish their policy demands to go along with daca. and then the president tweeted about his top priority, quote, as i made very clear today, our country needs the security of the wall on the southern border which must be part of any daca approval. but president trump set an expiration deadline for daca of march 5th.
democrats have set a different day for action next friday, january 19th. this is the need to process applications with the expiration dates. according to homeland security secretary, they must take place. ace federal district court judge in northern california ruled that the department of homeland security mutt resume accepting applications which the trump administration halted. the judge ruled that dhs does not have to consider new applications and called the government's defense to halt the program arbitrary and capricious. switching to politics, former arizona sheriff joe arpaio has announced his bid to run for jeff flake's position. the 85-year-old was pardoned by
president trump last year after being convicted of federal misdemeanor criminal contempt. he tells nbc news that age is not a concern. revealing, quote, i'll gun anybody. arpaio adds, quote, it's time to get fresh blood in washington. arpaia who was maricopa county sheriff for years. flake and arpaio have been open about their mutual dislike of each other and yesterday, flame responsibilitied with this. >> i'd be much more concerned if he's in it for the long haul. i don't think he is. there has not been one election cycle since the early '90s where joe arpaio has said he's thinking about running statewide. >> you're not taking it seriously? >> no, i don't think he's in it for the long haul. i think by this time next month,
he may not be in the race. i cannot see supporting joe arpaio. i don't think he'll get very far. and kelly ward who announced her candidacy, who said in an august statement, she woks arpaio into the race. and the editor for axios dave lawler, as we heard from flake, interesting words from arpaio, not necessarily taking the bid seriously. and arpaio saying he wants fresh blood in washington. >> he'll outgun anybody. >> yes, but he's yes years old. not necessarily seen as flesh blood. do you think the senate bill has the potential to revive the republican party, kind of in the same way roy moore's did? >> the potential is there. i think we need to be a bit more kau cautious, because i personally would not predict that joe arpaio be the republican nominee in arizona.
he'll be running in a pretty crowded field. but he's going to have a platform because he's known nationwide. you know, it's hard to imagine a more toxic candidate, well, other than roy moore, perhaps. and so, you know, the more he gets up in front of the camera, the more he's going to make mitch mcconnell and people who are trying to keep the republican majority in the senate nervous. but, you know, let's talk in a year and see if we're waiting on arpaio. >> i think the more he gets in front of the camera, the more he's likely to make controversial remarks that will put more media and spotlight on him. let's switch gears, your colleagues have been reporting on a number of gerrymandering cases being heard by the supreme courts. very important decisions in front of them and federal courts. tell us about those and the potential impact in 2018. >> a big decision last night in north carolina. a federal judge ruled that the map there, the controversial map drawn by republicans was overly
partisan and unconstitutional. and threw it out. so they're going to have to draw new districts. there is a case going in front of the supreme court dealing with wisconsin, and that could really be the big one. because if the supreme court decides that wisconsin's map is overly partisan, they could set new guidelines for how you determine what is a fair congressional map. and if that happens that would be a landmark decision. and it would change what we're looking at in terms of even balance of power going forward because we have a whole new district map in several states, probably. >> incredible. >> dave lawler live for us in washington, d.c. thanks for that. and president trump has weighed in on the possibility of oprah winfrey jumping into the 2020 presidential race. take a listen. >> yeah, i'll beat oprah. i know her very well. i did one of her last shows. this is before politics, her last week, she had donald trump
and my family. it was very nice. no i like oprah. i don't think she's going to run. >> however, the treatments of the 2020 matchup between trump and winfrey may be short-lived. on monday, a source close to winfrey told nbc news she has no intention of running. now, this isn't the first time that trump has praised winfrey, trump quoted her name in 2009 and 2015 as a potential pick. >> i heard from cbs the other, she said that oprah is inintrigued by the idea of running for president. there's mixed messages in there. >> he seems confident he can win. still ahead, while the trump administration strikes a deal with one state over the fight to drill off of its waters. president trump planning to meet the world's elite economic leaders. it's taking place in switzerland. this story and much more. bill karins is back with us, with a check on the forecast, when we return. i work overtime when i can get it.
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welcome back, everyone. the trump administration announced yesterday that will not allow offshore oil drilling off the coast 6 floridof florid. it's a drastic change that the federal government at least six days ago revealed an drilling program. and interior secretary ryan zinke said that florida was, o quote off the take for drilling with the governor. and several governors and states opposed the planning including larry hogan, south carolina's larry mcmaster and massachusetts' charlie baker. let's switch gears and get a check of the weather with meteorologist bill karins. a lot of people waking up to the aftermath of the storms moving
across the country. what more are you seeing? >> nothing even half as bad as what we already experienced but this storm is moving across the area with snow and ice and a lot of rain, returning to cold mind it. there goes the storm. spinning into the snow in the four corner regions. this comes into the plains. 10 million people under wind advisory, winter storm watches. again, it's going to be a minor event in the plains, one, two, three inches of snow. here's how we're going to time it out, 10:00 a.m., snow through rapid city, billings. one to two inches, nuisance type stuff. tomorrow morning, rochester, minnesota, minneapolis, by 6:00 p.m. thursday, this is where the storm gets messy, the backside cold air is going to wrap in. freezing rain in missouri. freezing rain breaking outside towards illinois tuesday evening and a band of snow. all rain ahead of it.
and a lot of fog ahead of it, too. as far as the snowfall accumulations, i mentioned bun to two inches. the snowfall in higher elevations in jackson hole, you'll pick up 6 to 12. here's the nasty stuff into friday. here's the ice forecast. quarter inch of ice, half inch, ohio valley, illinois, as star south as tennessee, possibly west virginia and pittsburgh, too. one of the problems with this big fall, you guys, falling ice from skyscrapers. you have seen the pictures from soho and lower manhattan yesterday? this is from 20 stories high. big chunk of ice crushed the roof of that suv. no injuries reported with that. >> with fire escapes on buildings, i've seen those as well. got to watch out. >> not only that, you have to worry about slippery, but look up and make sure you don't get hit. the white house as announced
that president trump is planning to attend the economic forum in davos, switzerland. sarah sanders made that announcement yesterday saying in part the president looks forward to promoting his policies to strengthen american business its and workers. representatives have gone to davos, with presidents often declining to attend. the decision marks a shift for president trump who tap into anti-global sentiment to win the white house. the economic forum in davos is seen as an economic gathering of globalists, financial elite. but an official tells nbc that the president was always more moderate than given credit for. adding almost everything with exceptions that he's willing to deal. maybe he's willing do a little skiing there in switzerland. maybe that's the reason he's going. still ahead, could a meeting between the leaders of north and south korea be on the horizon following this week's high-level
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south since its weapons are only aimed at the united states and not its quote brethren in the south. joining us chief global correspondent bill neely. bill, it seems like the talks can't go anywhere when you have the leaders saying they won't skep e accept a nuclear north korea. >> reporter: yeah, good morning, guys, president moon has said this before that he would sit down at a summit with kim jong-un. it always comes with the same condition towards de-nuclearization. we know that will not happen. president moon praised president trump yesterday for his huge continuebution to the talks and yesterday was a good day for mr. moon him he will get his peace olympics but an even better day for tim john eun. he will break out next month of international isolation him his team will go to the olympic ex. the world will swoon at his figure skaters. he gets it all for free, no concessions whatsoever. but this was a modest break
through. the talks, there is a new military hotline. the promise of new military talks. this is all limited in time and limited in scope. as you say the money north korean delegate made it clear north korea has nuclear weapons. they are aimed at the united states. so even yesterday hess trying to woo south koreans, break alliance with america. trying to drive that wedge between south korea and the americans. yes, president moon for now is happy to dance with north korea if you like t. worry here and in walk, where is that dance leading? >> yeah, seemingly it seems just for the time being. thank you. coming up next on "morning joe," more on the goings over a deal with daca following president trump's sit-down with the white house. it's the fate of thousands of young undocumented immigrants
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. welcome back, everybody, before we toss it over to "morning joe," let's get a check of the stories you will hear about ahead. >> we begin at the white house with peter alexander with a look at president trump's day ahead. good morning. >> reporter: louis, good morning. the president will host a cabinet meeting here at the white house later today. he will also take questions from reporters when he hosts the prime minister of norway. president trump may be pressed to clarify where he stands on negotiations with democrats and republicans and president trump seemingly taking contradictory positions in the immigration debate. one of the post-compelling moment, he appeared to embrace exactly what democrats want, a clean bill to protect those nearly 800,000 young undocumented immigrants the so-called d.r.e.a.m.ers and seemingly endorsed a comprehensive immigration deal. despite that conversation, it's not clear the two sides are
closer to the agreement t. daca deadline is approaching, not to mention that deadline to avoid a government shutdown, now just nine days away. >> meanwhile, republican senator rand paul and democratic senator ron weiden will call for reforms of section 402 a under surveillance act. section 702 allows the intelligencing as to conduct under surveillance on any foreigner outside the oungs without a warrant. critics warn this can happen to citizens as well. >> "morning joe" starts right no now. jeb bush didn't like my tone. here's a guy that wastes 100 million, right. he doesn't like me tone. he's very, very, very, think of this weak on the border. remember, they come in people come in as an act of love. you can't have that.
questions under oath, answering "100%." but what would his lawyers say now? here's abc's chief white house correspondent jonathan karl tonight. >> reporter: as the president traveled to nashville today to talk up his tax cut, a potentially major development in the russia investigation. abc news has confirmed that special counsel robert mueller met with the president's lawyers and told them he is likely to request an interview with the president himself. news of that december meeting was first reported by "the washington post." in the past, the president sounded almost eager to tell mueller his side of the story. would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of the events? >> 100%. >> reporter: so if robert mueller wanted to speak with you about that, you'd be willing to talk to him? >> i'd be glad to tell you exactly what i just told you, jon. >> reporter: he was asked about it again just this weekend. >> if robert mueller asks you to come and speak with his committee personally, are you committed still to doing that? do you believe that's appropriate? >> yeah. just so you understand -- just so you understand, there's been no collusion. >> reporter: but sources
familiar with the discussions tell abc news trump's lawyers are exploring options short of a formal interview, such as providing written answers to a questionnaire. it's not clear that would be sufficient for the special counsel. this comes as the president deals with fallout from the new book "fire and fury," which says some of the president's own top advisers question his sanity and his intelligence. the president tweeted over the weekend, quote, "throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart," calling himself, quote, "genius, and a very stable genius at that." >> i went to the best colleges for college. i had a situation where i was a very excellent student. >> reporter: the president angrily cut ties with one of the book's main sources, former chief strategist steve bannon. >> that's why sloppy steve is now looking for a job. >> reporter: the book quotes bannon eviscerating members of the president's family, even suggesting the meeting donald trump jr. set up at trump tower
with a russian lawyer said to have dirt on hillary clinton was "treasonous" and "unpatriotic." bannon has now issued a partial mea culpa, writing, "donald trump jr. is both a patriot and a good man." but the white house isn't satisfied with that. a spokesperson telling reporters, "i don't believe there's any way back for mr. bannon at this point." >> all right, so, let's get to jon karl live at the white house tonight. and jon, as you reported there, the president defending himself against stories about his mental fitness, tweeting he is a very stable genius. he's supposed to get a physical this week and the white house was asked if mental stability would be part of that exam. >> reporter: and the answer, david, is no. he is going to walter reed on friday for a physical exam, not, the white house says, a mental exam. and the doctor who will be examining him, dr. ronnie jackson, has been a white house presidential physician for more than a decade. the same doctor who examined both president obama and president bush. >> all right, jon karl at the
white house. jon, welcome back. next, to the especially dangerous strain of flu, spreading across the country tonight. a major spike in new cases. the flu now spreading across 46 states. hospitalizations doubling in just a week. and in hard-hit california, they are setting up tents now in some places. tonight, this question. how effective is the flu vaccine this year? and if you haven't received the shot yet, should you still get it? how quickly does it make a difference? abc's kayna whitworth from california. >> reporter: tonight, hospitals overflowing, incoming flu patients doubling in the last week alone. overcrowded hospitals forced to use tents. e.r. cases triaged in the hallway. >> we're so busy that paramedics are spending a good amount of time in this hallway. >> reporter: the outbreak deadly. 7-year-old cisco glavez died from the virus. his mother devastated. >> i never expected it, he was very healthy. >> reporter: in california,
27 people under the age of 65 have died since october, compared to just four last season. nationwide, over 41,000 cases reported. widespread flu activity in all but four states in the last month. arkansas and texas, the hardest hit. >> this is, i would say, the worst flu season that i've seen. >> reporter: early reports estimated the flu vaccine as 10% effective against the deadliest strain. the cdc now estimating effectiveness at roughly 30%. >> all right, so, 30%. kayna whitworth with us live tonight from one of those overflow tents. and kayna, as you just mentioned there, the vaccine may be 30% effective, but doctors are still saying you should get it, not just for you, but the people around you. how soon does it actually kick in? >> reporter: david, every doctor i spoke with said you should absolutely get the flu shot and it's not too late. even though it takes a couple of weeks to kick in and be at full strength, it can lessen the severity of your flu symptoms. david? >> all right, kayna whitworth
with us tonight from california. we turn next here to high stakes talks set to begin between north and south korea. the first between the warring nations in two years. it was just last week here, we showed you this image. south korea firing up the hotline with the north. and of course, this all comes amid nuclear tensions between the u.s. and north korea. abc's chief global affairs anchor martha raddatz in seoul tonight for us. martha? >> reporter: david, the olympic games may be the focus of these talks, but this could be a dramatic step in improving relations between the north and south. the setting is historic, that truce village that straddles the heavily fortified border, and, of course, this comes amid the nuclear weapons standoff. kim jong-un likely just one or two tests away from having the ability to hit the u.s. president trump has applauded these talks, david, and said he would be willing to talk to kim if certain conditions are met. david? >> martha raddatz with us tonight from seoul. martha, thank you. and back here at home now, and to the golden globe awards overnight, and that new movement, time's up.
but it was oprah winfrey who was the star of the show last night, with her powerful and stirring speech. and new questions about whether or not she'll run for president in 2020. what her long-time partner said overnight that began the headlines immediately. there was no hiding the headlines that have dominated the news for months on sexual harassment in hollywood and beyond. >> good evening ladies and remaining gentlemen. >> reporter: and throughout the night, moments of victory. for women and for the new campaign, time's up. >> nicole kidman, "big little lies." >> reporter: "big little lies," produced by reese witherspoon and nicole kidman, winning over and over again. >> wow, the power of women. >> reporter: but there were also the reminders of the progress yet to be made. natalie portman and ron howard introducing the nominees for best director. >> and here are the all-male nominees. >> reporter: and there was oprah winfrey. the first black woman to win the cecil b. demille lifetime achievement award. and she remembered watching the
oscars in 1964. >> in 1964, i was a little girl sitting on the linoleum floor of my mother's house in milwaukee, watching anne bancroft present the oscar for best actor at the 36th academy awards. she opened the envelope and said five words that literally made history. "the winner is sidney poitier." and i'd never seen a black man being celebrated like that. and it is not lost on me that at this moment, there are some little girls watching as i become the first black woman to be given this same award. >> reporter: oprah spoke of being inspired by the women who have felt strong enough to speak up. >> so, i want tonight to express gratitude to all the women who
have endured years of abuse and assault because they, like my mother, had children to feed and bills to pay and dreams to pursue. they're the women whose names we'll never know. for too long, women have not been heard or believed if they dared to speak their truth to the power of those men. but their time is up. >> reporter: and during her speech, the hashtag going viral, #oprah2020. >> so, i want all the girls watching here now to know that a new day is on the horizon. when nobody ever has to say "me too" again. thank you.
>> reporter: "the l.a. times" overnight asking oprah's long-time partner stedman graham if she'll run for president. he said, "it's up to the people, she would absolutely do it." bloomberg said in a brief interview backstage, winfrey herself was told #oprah2020 was circulating on twitter, and asked whether she planned to run. "i don't. i don't," she said. and this is what she told her friend gayle king in october. >> 2020, i'm wondering if you've narrowed down your short list of v.p. candidates. >> she's lost her mind now. no, i haven't. >> no, no. >> it took me a minute to follow. >> i know, okay. "20/20," i was thinking of the show. people ask it all the time. >> even i am now starting to think the rules changed about running for president. >> there will be no running for office of any kind for me. >> i like that she was thinking of the show "20/20." she can come tell us any time. in the meantime, tonight, the white house is weighing in on all of this. the deputy press secretary saying, quote, "we welcome the challenge, whether it be oprah winfrey or anybody else."
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they are talking about this incredible success. if i didn't get elected, if the opposition party i call the obstructionist party, that's all they are good at. if they got elected they wouldn't have cut regulations and taxes. you would have been down to a gdp that would have been negative. you see what's happening. our companies are ready to soar. wages for the first time are rising at the fastest pace in many, many years. 18, 19, 20 years. and i tell you, i would always go around and say to you strongly, people have jobs, they made more money 21 years ago than they make today and in some
[applause] wages are going up for the first time in mani' many years. that's freight. as a result of our massive tax cuts which by the way debbie stabenow voted against. if the democrats get in they will take the tax cuts away and raise your taxes to a much higher level than you ever thought possible. that's what they want to do, so they can give the money away. millions of americans are receiving large bonuses and bigger paychecks than they ever received because they have so much money that they didn't even know they were making. you see what's happened as of february 1. and right after the cuts, the corporations gave massive bonuses and they continue.
chrysler hand out $2,000 bonuses to 0,000 workers and announced plans for a $1 billion investment in warren creating a minimum of,5 -- of 2,500 jobs. they are now leaving other countries and coming back to michigan. remember i told you that five or six years ago. they are now coming back. and they will come back a lot faster than you have seen. you know what's even more important than that? leaving? we don't give them the incentive to leave anymore. we are giving them incentive to stay and to pay our people. [cheers and applause] but to protect our families we
down the country because we need border security. [cheers and applause] so we don't have a wall, but a big portion is being bilt. a lot of it is being fixed. we have a wall with big holes in it that's being fixed. weird building new in san diego and other places -- we are building new in san diego and other places. one good thing. watch the caravan. watch how sad and terrible it is, including for those people. because they come up, and the crime that they inflict on themselves and others inflict on them. it's a horrible, dangerous journey for them. and they come up because they know once they get here they can
walk right into our country. we have the greatest people on earth and they can't do anything because the laws are corrupt. so we have fought to secure our border. but democrats in congress, nancy pelosi, schumer, they opposed us at every stop and every step. they opposed every effort to close the loopholes to keep the violent criminals like ms-13 the hell out of our country and to stop the flow of illegal immigrants and drugs which are pouring into our country. and we have done a great job. and the numbers are great. but part of the problem is, people are smart. and they see how ridiculous these laws are. they know if they can get anywhere near, once they touch our ground it's caldwell come ts
called welcome to the united states. the republicans are working hard and debbie sab kno -- debbie sts one of the leaders for weak borders. i don't know how she gets elected. a vote for a democrat in november is a vote for weak borders and crime. it's also a vote for much higher taxes. it's also a vote for be careful of your second amendment. be careful much your second amendment if they get in. the open border policies of the democratic party are not just wrong, they are dangerous and they are in fact deadly. they are deadly. they make no sense. they are deadly. their policies let gangs, some of the most of vicious gangs in the world pour into our country.
they pour into our country. you know on long island you have gang members that are so tough that we send in these incredible i.c.e. agents. but you know what? the i.c.e. agents are much tougher. and they are grabbing them. and i'll tell you what. a doctor please, doctor? take your time, take your time,
darling. jesse: president trump speaking live in washington township, michigan it looks like in the middle of the speech a man or woman became ill. we don't know what happened to that person. people were asking is there a doctor in the house. the president has paused the speech and is showing some
concern for this individual. as a doctor comes there he's making sure everything is okay. these things happen. we remember these things happened at some of the obama rallies where people would pass out and faint. we don't know what happened to this person. but it's obviously very serious and the president is concerned by the and compassionate by the. he is not going to speak while this is happening. he obviously cares more about the person than the speech. he's doing what all humans would do, to stop this and make sure this person is okay, attended to and taken care of.
i said -- and it was an unexpected stop. but i heard the opponent was going out with the president and they were going out also unexpected, and they had a very small crowd. but when i heard that, we left where we were, i said let's go to michigan, grand rapids. and i got there at 12:00 in the evening. remember that? and i said, how's the crowd. we couldn't get near the arena. there were 32,000 people. i finished speak at 1:00 in the morning on election day. 32,000 people. michigan hadn't been won in many, many years. i said, wait a minute. we had 32,000 people. i got home at 3:00 in the
morning. i said tell me, why are we going to lose michigan. we had 32,000 people at 1:00 in the morning and even beyond. nobody left. we had a great time, right? and i said, so why are we going to lose michigan? they said because the republicans lose michigan. i said wait a minute. i'm bringing the cars back, i'm bringing the plants back, i'm bringing the jobs back. we won michigan, and i think quite easily. remember that? i always said i made that speech. that was my last speech. i made that speech on election day. by the time we finished it was 1:00. election day. this november he american will
face a choice. now, they say if the house doesn't make it -- you have great congressmen -- these are great, great people. and thank you. but we have to keep the house because if you listen to maxine waters -- [crowd booing] president trump: she goes around saying we'll impeach him. people said but he hasn't done anything wrong. oh, that doesn't matter, we'll impeach the president. so i don't think we are going to have a lot of happy people if that happens. i think it will be a little bit tough. but she goes around and some others. it doesn't matter if you are doing anything right or wrong. we have got to win the house, and we are going to win anyway. we are going to win the house.
we are going to win the house. now, historically when you win the presidency, the person that wins, the party that wins does poorly in what they call the mid-terms. the reason is i guess you take it easy. something happens. 93%, 94% of the time. you get complacent. we cannot be complacent. we have got to go out, we have got to go out and fight like hell and we have to win the house and win the senate. and i think we'll do great in the senate. i think we'll do great in the house because the economy is so good. the economy is so good. and because if you look at us all around the world we are respected again.
we are not pushovers. you saw the president of france he came in, great guy. chancellor merkel came in yesterday from germany. [crow booing] president trump: no, it will be fine. blame the people who used to stay here with much smaller crowds. blame your american president and your american representatives. but it's not happening anymore. we are respected again as a nation. we are not the patsies or pushovers anymore. by the way, speaking of not being a patsy or a pushover. do you ever watch corey lewandowski on the shows? where is corey?
and david bossie? he also had very little experience. he only ran one campaign and he won, so he's 1-1. corey, say a few word. >> this is trump country! we love you, michigan. thank you for supporting donald j. trump as your next president of the united states. thank you very much. president trump: thank you, corey. i saw them back there and they work hard. we appreciate it. we need more republicans. we have got to get more republicans.
they say we have a majority. one in the senate, very few in the house. we need more to get it done. we are going to get it done one way or the other. but with your help we'll elect more republicans and deliver even more. other than healthcare which frankly we got rid of the individual mandate which is the worst part of obamacare. we are doing association healthcare very soon, it's coming out the next couple weeks which will be incredible where you will buy great healthcare, highly competitive. i used to talk on the debates about getting rid of the state lines. he'll be able to buy great healthcare at a great and competitive price. we are getting rid of obamacare, to people would say essentially we have gotten rid of it. but you no longer have the
individual mandate. that's where you had the privilege of going out and spending a lot of money so you had the second privilege of not having to buy healthcare. so you paid for the privilege of not buying healthcare. we got rid of it from the tax cut plan. big thing. that was the worst part of obamacare. we got rid of that. you see what's going on. except for run vote. remember the one vote, 3:00 in the morning. thumbs down. what a vote that was. what a vote that was. that was some vote. but despite that, it's going to come out great. so we have gotten rid of a lot of obamacare and we'll get rid of the rest. we got you the tax cuts. we want every american to know
the dignity of work, the pride of a paycheck and the satisfaction of a job well done. there is nothing like it. together we can lift millions of americans from welfare to work, from dependence to independence and from poverty to prosperity. [cheers and applause] we are supporting job training and we are supporting vocational schools. right? vocational schools. i said to the guys, i said these community colleges, they are wonderful, but nobody knows what a community college is. when i was growing up we had things called vocational schools. i would go to a school and would be sitting next to a guy, i never looked at his papers because he didn't do well. on the other side i would have somebody note too good.
but they could take an engine apart blindfolded and fix it. they could build a brick wall better than all of the guys in the class and gals together. they could do things nobody else could do. and nobody knows what a community college is. we are going to start using -- and we had this -- vocational schools where you learn trades, and you will do it and you will love it and you will make much more money than anything else you can do, right? those are the people we need in our country right now. we need skilled people. and when people come across the border we want to take them in, but we want to take them in based on merit, not based on a lottery. lottery, lottery. we want them to come in based on
skill and based on merit so they can love our country, they can help our country, they can do things for our country, not come in based on some random lottery system. and that will happen. it's all happening. we'll build new bridges and airports and highways and waterways all across this magnificent land. and you know what we are doing with your locks. we are going to start that as soon as i get back. i told your congressman, write that name down. the army corps of engineers. we'll be calling them. it could be tonight depending on when i get back. it might be tomorrow. but tomorrow is sunday. can i call object sunday? your locks aren't working too well. it hasn't been fixed in 50 years.
after spending all that money in the middle east. we can't fix a lock? we'll put new steel into the spine of our country and breathe new life and hope into our beautiful communities. and in everything we do and every decision we make, we'll stand up and -- we are going to be proud. we'll be proud of america again. we are going to stand up for america and we are not going to apologize anymore for america. i told you before, we have done a lot. we have done more than anybody in a year. honestly it feels like we have been here a long time together. the fight has been a long fight. did you ever think we would have blaished we accomplished in this short period of time? part of the problem the country
had and one of the reasons our jobs are doing so well and our companies are doing so well and wages are going up because we had regulations which were staggering. it would take 0 years to get a highway or roadway approved -- it would take 20 years to get a highway approved environmentally. it would take years and years to get a simple highway. i got rid of those regulations. and we'll have crystalling clean water and clean air. we'll reject people if they don't have the right project. but projects aren't going to take 18 years to get approved. then in many cases it's thumbs down after working 18 years. we'll stand up for places like detroit that need help. we'll stand up. and we'll stand up for great states like michigan. and we have done that.
this is the state where henry ford invented the assembly line. this is it. it's the state that gave us motown, the mustang and the might of the american midwest. it's a great state. it is where generations of proud workers at general motors and chrysler and kellogg transformed our nation and changed the entire world. we were the leader. and now we are the leader again, and everybody is seeing it. and don't forget this. we have increased the values the last 16 months tremendously. we are almost twice the size of the next largest economy. remember that. don't forget that. don't forget that. and we are going to be growing very fast.
it's time to look past the old divisions, tired thinking. the steal debates of the -- the stale debates of the past and finally come together as one nation under god. [cheers and applause] we are one people with one home, and one great american destiny. remember what i said, they are look at us all over -- they are looking at us all over the world. when chancellor merkel came in to see me, she said congratulations, mr. president. what you have done with your economy is even credible. when president macron came in to see me, emanuel, we like shaking each other's hand. she's terrific. she is for germany, i am for france. i'm for the u.s.a.
does that make sense? emanuel came in and angela came in. they said, amazing, congratulations. what we have done in a short period of time of is incredible. regulations. we have cut more regulations in 15 to 16 months than any other president has cut in four years, 8 years or fdr in one case 16 years, and it's not even close. we inherit the legacy of the
great americans who constructed the railroads, caused out the panama canal and put a man on the face of the moon. by the way, excuse me, did you see how our space program is going? a little different. and we are letting those rich guys that like rockets. go ahead, use our property, pay us some rent. go ahead. you can use cape canaveral. you just pay us rent and spend that money. pretty amazing. how about when the engines come down. they come down and land so they can use them again. that looks like futuristic beautiful stuff. we have reinvigorated our space program to a level that nobody thought possible in this short period of time.
nasa is back. nasa is back. and mars is waiting for us. you know that. great. you know what it is? it's great, it's science. it's important. very important militarily. we had the best military. we have the best military in the world. we are going to have a military the likes of which nobody has ever had. the best we have ever had by far, and these are the times when you want to have a very powerful military. you don't want to have to use it, but you have to have it. we stand on the shoulders of patriots who poured out their sweat and blood and tears for our country, for pour flag and for our god.
as long as we are proud of who we are, and what we are fighting for, there is nothing beyond our reach. there is nothing. look what happened to us. here we are. look what happened to us. you know, a poll came out the other day, rasmussen. i was at 51%. you don't read about that. you never hear them talking. you watch the fake cnn. you ever notice? ever notice cnn, well, you know web's not very popular. they were saying that before the last election victory now we are much higher than that. but they said 51%. then some genius analyst said but he's got at least 10% of the people that don't want to say they are voting for him. you know what i say to that? we'll take them anyway, whatever it takes. i don't know if it's an insult
or not. but you know what? we love those people because they came out in the last election and they said don't talk to us. we want to know how you voted. don't talk to me. they go in trump, they come out. remember the exit polls? they come out, who did you vote for. none of your business. 100% those people are for trump. we love those people, we love them. we love those people. there was a mayor of a certain city -- by the way, is this better than that phoney washington white house correspondents dinner? [cheers and applause]
president trump: i could be up there tonight smiling like i love when they are hitting you shot after shot. these people hate your guts. then i'm supposed to -- and you know, you have got to smile. if you don't smile they will say he was terrible. he couldn't take it. if you do smile, they will say what was he smiling about. we are proud to be american, and the future belongs to us. remember that. the future belongs to us. the future belongs to all of you. this is our moment. we never had a moment like this. the economy is raging. our military is strong and getting stronger. er single day. we are ordering the greatest equipment in the world. we make the greatest military equipment in the world. look at what happened in syria.
boom, boom bing. [cheers and applause] you know, after the attack -- we had to do that. people cannot use gas. frankly they shouldn't use anything. but they can't drop the gas, and it was gas. but you know, when we did it, it came out, they hit 23 of our missiles. then they said we shot 43 and they hit 43 of our missiles. we shot 110. you know how many they hit? none. zero. you know how much of our missiles hit their target? 100%. 100%. and the british and the french were great. great team. it's a great team. but this is our chance. wear in had a chance like this.
we are take our country back. you have no idea. so many people come up to me, thank you, sir, thank you. i say for what? you are taking our country back. its true. so many people, they say thank you, sir. >> i always say for what? they say sir, you are taking our country back, and it's true. we are all taking our country back. you know the great state of tennessee, a congressman, a wonderful guy, came up to me, they had early voting. this was before the election. and the voting just started. and i was in pennsylvania making a speech. he's a friend of a pennsylvania congressman and they were together in pennsylvania and he comes up to me and goes, i wasn't president yet, we were campaigning.
with the early voting he said, you know, mr. trump, he goes, i don't know what's happening in the rest of the country, but tennessee early voting -- i have been doing this stuff for 25 years and i have never seen anything like it. people that are great americans but they never voted before because theyer in had anybody they wanted to vote for. they work hard, they pay taxes, they are coming out of the hills and valleys. they have the red caps on, they have the make america great on. i don't know what's happening. but in places like tennessee you will win this election, mr. trump. true. so true. he said, i haver in seen anything like it. you know what? we are higher now than we were on election day. we are higher now.
because now people are seeing the results. it's actually easier. before i said, i'm going to do this, i'm going to do that. we are going to get a tax cut. we'll get rid of the individual mandate. we'll do all these things. judges, regulations. now i have done it. somebody from the news -- i won't call it fake news because he turned out to be right -- he said trump is one of the first people ever to actually accomplish what he promised. i accomplished more than i promised, and i'm doing it for you. our great journey together is just beginning. so with love in our hearts and hope in our souls i say these words again, you have heard them before, you liked them before,
we can't say them too much. together we'll make america strong again. together we'll make america wealthy again. together we'll make america proud again. we'll make america safe again. and we'll make america great again! thank you, everybody. thank you! [cheers and applause] [♪] jesse: there you have it, president trump adressing a
rally in michigan. take on many of his critics including the media gathering in washington for the course interest dinner. here -- for the course responsible don't dinner -- president trump: one of the fake news groups this morning. they were saying what do you think of president trump had to do with it. i'll tell you what. how about everything. jesse: that was president trump talking about not getting any credit for helping broker the talks between north and south korea. let's bring in conservative commentator dr. gina loudon who is a member of trump's media board. and phillipe renis.
we always struggle with your name. it's not our fault, i think it's your parents. this was an hour 20 minute speech. the rest of the media is in washington toasting themselves and patting themselves on the back. i don't think cnn is even covering this rally. what did you think of the president's counter programming tonight? >> dragon energy. this was classic trump at a classic rally. he went longer than other presidents would go. of course other presidents didn't have rallies. he outlined who his enemies are. outlined what his accomplishments are and outlined his goals. jesse: have much a campaign rally, philippe. he eked out an historic victory over clinton. i think this was paid for by the
campaign. he brought up something that is making people in this country very angry. attack on dr. jackson who was nominated for va secretary. a lot of things the senator from montana said turned out to be flat-out wrong. things about crashing a car while being drunk and knocking on doors in south america while drunk. they could not find any evidence of that. the president mentioned that in the speech. president trump: what they said about this great american doctor, ronny jackson, an admiral in the navy. he served three presidents. president obama said he was fantastic. president bush said he's fantastic. i say he's fantastic. this is a high quality individual like they would love in montana. and tester started throwing out things he heard.
well, i know things about tester that i could say, too. and if i said them, he would never be elected again. jesse: philippe you have to admit that smear of dr. jackson by senator tester is pretty disgraceful. >> i don't have to say that. there is only one man that could nominate ronny jackson to be secretary of the va and only one man to undo that and that was donald trump. if he wanted ronny jackson to be the veterans affairs secretary it probably would have happened. it was donald trump thursday said he wasn't really qualified. it was donald trump who led him to water to revoke his nomination. jesse: i think he said he wasn't politically qualified before he
knew these allegations against his character were untrue. >> donald trump doesn't run away from a fight. he ran away from this one pretty fast. if he's so sure, he could renominate dr. jackson monday. jesse: he could have fought that battle but you and i would agree if there was a nomination coming out of a democratic president and there were unfounded smears from a republican senator that didn't check out it would be salacious. >> a democratic president i hoped would win probably would have vetted him first. jesse: he vets with his guts. >> it's not working with his cabinet. jesse: i want to play some sound about what he said about jim comey who is on his book tour. he mentioned comey on bret
baier's show on fox news. president trump: how about this guy comey. he said the other night the fake dirty dossier, he said the other night on fox, he said very strongly, no, i didn't know that it was paid for by the democrats and hillary clinton. he didn't know. how about that. they start something based on a document that was paid for by the dnc and hillary clinton. honestly, folks. let me tell you. it's a disgrace. but you watch comey, and you watch the way he lies. and then he's got the memos. i wonder when he wrote the memos. then he's got the memos and he puts them up. watch the way he lies.
do you remember the liar? comey is worse, comey is a liar and a leaker. i did you a great favor when i fired this guy. jesse: it was astounding to hear the former fbi director say he had no idea hillary clinton paid for the dossier. he said he thought republicans paid for it. what's going on with that man. >> i don't know. and i'm glad the president delineated who the actual colluders are. all this time they are frying to prove a trump-russia collusion, the actual collusion was between the democrats and russia and the democrats and the media. jesse: philippe i have got to let you go, and dr. gina. trump went so long we want to get some of our other guests in
here. but thank you for sticking around and we'll have you on soon. joining me now by phone, former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski who was actually at the rally. tory, are you there? >> hey, jesse, how are you? jesse: you are a big celebrity. the president brought you up to the podium to address the crowd. what was it like there? do we have corey? we lost corey. i want to play some sound from the rally. we have some great stuff talking about some of the ms-13 members that poured into the country across the southern border. the president addressing the need to secure the southern border. let's hear it. president trump: democrats don't care about our military. they don't.
and they don't care about our borders, and i don't think they care much about crime. if you look at it, ms-13, they pour through. and they want it. by the way, we are getting rid of ms-13 in record numbers, okay? record numbers. jesse: the president making the border a very big issue naturally tonight. he talk -- issue in the rally tonight. he talked about how easy it was, you step foot on american soil then you go to court and you say i'm scared, then they tell to you come back to court in a year, no one ever shows up. he spent a good portion talking about the southern border and the need to secure it. you talk about building the wall, the wall is already under way. he touted his cooperation with the city of san diego to be able to do that.
the president addressing black unemployment in michigan giving props with newly outspoken supporter co kanye west. let's hear president trump talk about kanye at the rally. president trump: in all fairness, kanye west gets it. he gets it. and he saw that. when he sees that african-american unemployment is the lowest in history, you know, people are watching. that's a very important thing he has done for his legacy. it's a very important thing. but hispanic unemployment lowest level in history. women, female, unemployment, lowest level in 18 years. jesse: joining me now communications director for
turning point u.s.a. and new star in america candace owens. he spoke about unemployment being at record low and talked about his new friend kanye west. do you think kanye is throwing his support behind president trump because of his economic policies for black america? >> for sure. i think what kanye west is doing is assessing the continues between how black america is doing now versus how it was doing under obama's administration. we know that kanye has particularly cared a lot about chicago and its community and what's been going on over there because that's where he's from. they are doing better under this administration. so i'm excited to see where black america is going to head and excited that kanye west jumped on board fully and he seems to be double down and tripling down with his support. jesse: black america, 90% votes
democrats. whites are evenly split. asians 60-30. why do you think as a black woman in america that there is up a monolithic group that supports the democratic party in america. >> it's simple. i come from the left i was a liberal. it has to do with the educational system. we learn that lbj was the greatest president for black america and that couldn't be more false. what he did is even slave us with the great so -- what he did was enslave us with the great society. our fathers are not in our homes because that was i season toughized by lbj's great society act. they have all of us voting for
them for all the wrong reasons. we don't understand our history and don't understand the economic policies behind it. jesse: you think the education system in our country teaches america that the big government policies started under lbj are good for them, but you are saying those government policies have maybe stifled the growth of black america. >> it's not a matter of opinion. it's a matter of fact. i came up in the public school education. we also learned, the republican party is virtually demonized in our textbooks. most of blacks believe the republican and democratic parties switched in the 1970s switched. that's a myth. it never happened. something called the southern strategy. they are learning to be ignorant in the school system and once again at home via culture.
they are idolizing people who are not telling them accurately what's going on in our countries. jesse: i know when i hit the streets and you ask people if abraham lincoln was a republican or democrat. i think about half of them think lincoln was a democrat. we have corey lewandowski on the phone, is that true? no, we don't have corey. okay. we don't have corey lewandowski so what we'll do instead is play some more sound from president trump, then we'll go to mike tobin, one of the reporters from fox news who was at the rally. let's hear some more sound from the president tonight in michigan. president trump: i'm tougher on russia. nobody ever thought. look how these politicians have fallen for this junk. russian collusion. give me a break.
i will tell you, the on collusion is the democrats collude with the russians and the democrats excluded with lots of other people. take a look at the intelligence agencies. and what about -- what about comey, do you watch him on the interviews? what about comey. jesse: let's go to mike tobin, one of the reporters at the rally. this was typical of the trump rallies so far. he hit all the points with the border and nancy pelosi, and taking credit for the peace on the korean peninsula. what struck you as somebody who has been to a few of those. >> the discussion about nasa when he said mars is waiting. certainly very interesting. i paid attention to syria because i just got back from the
middle east. the president summed it up with bakda bang. it generated arousing cheer when he said 100% of the missiles hit their target. he's haven't preaching to the choir. he got involved in local politics. debbie stabenow is the democratic nor up for reelect. he tried to mobilize people. jesse: i was struck with the mars comment. i had no idea we were that close to visiting the red planet. he bragged about charging some people like elon musk or some of
these other billionaires with their private space shuttles to use cape canaveral. i didn't know we were charging a fee to use these facilities. that's good for the treasury, i guess. i don't think i ever heard anybody tout the accuracy rate of tomahawk missiles that struck some sites in syria. with the boom, boom bing, the patriotic crowd enjoyed his approach to universal affairs. reporter: in terms of dealing with the other world leaders. he kept coming back to this notion i don't blame them for taking advantage of america. he says i blame it previous presidents. he was a little bit harsh when he came out blaming his predecessors. but he indicated that's not
going to happen anymore. he said america is not going to get played any more. and that met rousing cheers with a crowd that sides with him from the beginning. jesse: very popular lines. thanks very much, mike. i believe we have corey. corey, you came up on stage. i want to show the audience that quickly. let's see it. >> this is trump country! we love you, michigan. thank you for supporting donald j. trump as your next president of the united states. thank you very much! jesse: you have got 20 seconds left in the show, go ahead. >> not on were there 10,000 people inside there were 25,000 outside. this is one of the best speeches president trump has made. it was right on point. promises made, promises kept
poor judgment. and those who met with the trump officials in 2016 now admitted she has closer ties to the kremlin than previously disclosed. was she lying all along. the nra connection. allegations that the russians may have funneled money through the nra. it is a cnn exclusive. and korean thaw, a historic meeting between kim jong-un and the south korea president, the two vowing to finally end the korean war and work toward denuclearize is. is north korea already dismantling the test site. wolf blitzer is off. i'm jim acosta. you're in "the situation room." >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. we're following breaking news, including a new report that russian lawyer at a 2016 meeting with top trump officials had closer ties to the kremlin
than previously disclosed including working as an informant and sources say nra is setting aside documents related to the kremlin with allegations they may have illegally funneled money to help the trump campaign. and the breaking news and more with congressman david cicilini and our reporters and experts are standing by. but first we begin with new details of a key player in the 2016 trump tower meeting between top members of the trump campaign and a group of russians and the cnn chief constituent jim sciutto is working the story. jim, we're learning more about this russian lawyer with kremlin connections? >> we are. and this trump tower meeting in june 2016, we know already it has been a focus of the special counsel robert mueller because of the contacts and the subject of the conversation being dirt offered by the russians on hillary clinton. and now we know that one of those russians offering the
dirt, that lawyer had very deep connections to the russian government. the russia lawyer who met with trump campaign officials in 2016 touted as having dirt on hillary clinton now admits she had closer ties to the kremlin than she previously disclosed. in fact she calls herself an informant for the russian government citing newly surfaces e-mails, reports that are net -- natalia veselnitskaya said i'm a lawyer and informant she told nbc news. since 2013 i've been communicating with the russian prosecutor gem. just last year she said just the opposite. >> have you ever worked for the russian government? do you have connections to the russian government? >> no. >> reporter: the trump tower meeting of is interest to robert mueller for two potential reasons. first, to see if there is evidence the trump campaign colluded with the russian government during the campaign. and second, to see if the
president attempted to obstruct justice by helping to draft a misleading explanation for what was discussed meeting and adam schiff said it makes russia's intentions clearer. >> what is your importance by the russian lawyer that she wasn't just a private lawyer but working for the ruran government. >> it corroborated what we've seen of veselnitskaya. what we've seen of her contacts within the russian government and as well as her persistence in terms of one of putin's top priorities would indicate this is not a solo agent. this is someone working on behalf of the >> he said that veselnitskaya reached back out to trump aides after trump won the election. >> you're saying it has the impression of a quid pro quo. >> it certainly does. the russians thought they had reason to believe after the campaign that they now might get the help that they sought in that meeting in trump tower. >> the revelations come as republicans on the house intelligence committee released
a redacted report concluding they found no evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and russia. the republicans, however, did fault the campaign for meeting with the russian lawyer. saying it, quote, demonstrated poor judgment and they criticized trump's repeated praise for wikileaks. >> i love wikileaks. >> reporter: stating it found, quote, the trump campaign's periodic praise for and communications with wikileaks, a hostile foreign negotiation, consistent with national security interests and president trump praised the republican report. >> we were honored. no collusion. it is a witch hunt. >> and the report revealed michael flynn and his son contacted the russian government earlier than previously known in 2015. meeting with then russian ambassador sergey kislyak at his
residence, requested by either flynn or his son. the meeting was later described in an e-mail to the russian embassy as very productive. and trump's personal lawyer michael cohen and russian-american business associate felix satir would settlement ties between trump and vladimir putin. during an e-mail exchange about building a trump tower in moscow, sadir wrote to cohen, if quote, putin gets on stage with vladimir putin for a ribbon cutting, donald opens the republican nomination. >> the president welcomed the report but only focused on the headline, the republicans determined there was no evidence of collusion but there is a lot of new information in here and including, jim, a contact between the nra and e-mail describing how russia wanted to establish a back channel with the trump campaign using the nra and also this issue with veselnitskaya, and the contact yz the russians did not end in
june but after president trump was elected they reached out again. >> and it is important to know the special counsel office has not reached the conclusion of its investigation either. >> no. >> jim sciutto, thank you very much. and also breaking, sharp words for president trump as the sim -- the summit with kim jong-un moves close to reality. jeff zel annie has the the president is basking in the success between the north and south korean leaders and seems to be taking the credit. >> reporter: good evening. he is talking about that meeting and looking ahead to what he hopes is another historic meeting, a summit with kim jong-un in late may or earl ji june. and the president said this is great for the world but not being naive and would still walk away if north korea doesn't live up to its word. on the korean peninsula -- >> this is a world problem and
white house. >> a lot of cabinet chaos. jeff, thank you very much. let's get more on this with democratic congressman david cicilini of rhode island, from the foreign affairs and judiciary committee. thanks for john -- joining. and information about this russian who met can trump officials and working with the kremlin. how concerning is that and how much of a surprise was it? >> well i think it is very concerning. remember this is a meeting according to donald trump jr.'s only e-mails that was set up because the russians had dirt that they wanted to share with mr. trump's political opponent hillary clinton. this included his campaign manager and other trump officials, including his son. this is an individual who -- let's remember they first lied about the purpose of the meeting, issued a statement they discussed adoptions. we know that wasn't true. this is one more example of a
meeting between trump campaign officials and the russians that folks have lied about or attempted to conceal and now we learn that this woman lied about her own role there. that she wasn't just a private attorney, but she, in fact, had ties to the kehm ly-- kremlin a worked for the government as an informant. so this is very disturbing. this is, i think, just one more piece of evidence about this relationship and this ongoing relationship between the trump campaign and russia officials that continue to be the subject of meetings and secret conversation and concealment. so i think it is very concerning. >> and how does this change or change the way you see the offer of russian dirt on hillary clinton that apparently came before this meeting? what do you make of that? >> well i think, again, there is a lot of suggestion from the president there is no evidence of collusion. there is a lot of things already in the public domain that special provide evidence of contacts between the campaign by the russians with an effort to help donald trump led by
vladimir putin himself, obviously intelligence collection that support that. and now we know about a meeting in which that discussion took place that a person who had ties to the kremlin participated. and you have to ask yourself, why did she conceal her real identity. what was she worried about by revealing she had contacted with the kremlin and a government informant. so it is further evidence -- >> when the president said there is no collusion, you don't buy that. it is too early to say. >> i mean, look, of course. robert mueller is leading an investigation. there has been a lot of effort to interfere and attempt to shut it down. what we have to do is be sure we can continue his work to lead us to wherever the facts will take us and that it is free from any political interference and the resources needs to get this done and i think it is too soon to lead to no col lugs. >> and in north korea, the
fascinating images over the last 24 hours, do you believe the president's policies deserve some kind of credit for the break-throughs we're seeing right now? >> well, i think it is much too early to know. let's be very clear, the north koreans have a history of being very provocative and then encouraging the international community to provide them relief from economic sanctions to bring them back into the world community in some way and then they break a promise and go back to clandestine activities to develop the nuclear program so we need to understand the history. obviously this is a very important step to north and north korea are talking and committing to an end of the conflict and hopefully a denuclearization of the korea peninsula and this is just the beginning and what we have to do is be hopeful but very, very skeptical. >> and senator -- >> look at the history of -- >> i was going to say, lindsey graham said if a deal is reaching, president trump
what the judge will do in the stormy daniels case versus donald trump. the civil case if federal court. the judge issued a 90-day stay in the case. that means that if case will be essentially put on hold for 90 days. no movement in the case for 90 days. the judge basically saying there are several different reasons why that is. one of the main cases is because of cohen's significant interest in preserving his fifth amendment right. you remember that cohen had put forth a declaration saying that he believed it would impact his fifth amendment rights because there is a criminal investigation against cohen right now. he didn't feel that he should be able to take part in this civil case with the criminal case looming. now there is also -- the judge said a potential for significant impact in this proceedings on the criminal investigation against michael cohen. as well -- and one very important point that the judge is pointing out, the lack of significant prejudice to the
plaintiff -- so he's saying this does not hurt stormy daniels to stay this case for 90 days. what does this mean ultimately? it means that michael avenatti cannot depose the president or depose michael cohen himself as he has repeatedly said he would do if this case was going forward. at least for the next 90 days, he will be unable to do that. now michael avenatti stormy daniels's lawyer has tweeted and put out a statement and i spoke to him a few moments ago and i will read it. while we certainly respect judge otero's 90-day stay ordered based on the michael cohen's pleading of the fifth and we do not agree and we will be filing an appeal to the ninth circuit early next week. justice delayed is justice denied and #basta means not
enough -- >> and thank you very much. and we'll have more on the breaking news ahead. remarkable images if you haven't seen them with the meeting between the north korean and south korea leader and kim jong-un's remarks about his own country and did a russian banker try to funnel money through the national rifle association. it is a cnn exclusive and it is coming up next. shrimp fans - this one's for you. it's red lobster's new create your own shrimp trios. pick 3 of 9 craveable creations for just $15.99. you can enjoy the classics you love, along with new creations like savory crab-topped shrimp, decadent parmesan truffle shrimp scampi, and creamy shrimp and lobster pasta. your perfect shrimp plate is just waiting to be discovered. but shrimp trios won't last, so get to red lobster today. and get your red lobster fix with our weekday lunch starting at $7.99.
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kremlin. sara mary is working the story. you have new information before the sore -- sources about this. this is very interesting. >> sources are telling us that nra is anxious about the year's long relationship with this kremlin linked banker and even though the nra has denied it is under investigation, privately sources tell us they're taking steps as if preparing for a possible probe. the national rifle association is setting aside years of documents related to the interactions with kremlin-linked banker alexander tor shin as it is bracing for a possible investigation. the gun rights group is facing congressional scrutiny over finances and ties, a lifetime member of the nra and one of the prominent russian government officials the u.s. recently slapped with sanctions. the nra is battling allegations that he may have illegally funneled money through the nra
to bolster the trump campaign. >> there have been allegations that russians were going to funnel money through the nra and we sought to investigate that. there were witnesses with direct knowledge regarding those allegations that we sought to bring in. the republicans refused. >> reporter: the nra is publicly denied any contact from the fbi or accepting any illegal donations but sources say they are preparing, collecting documents as due diligence and dealing with congressional scrutiny. the renewed attention highlights the uneasy alliance between nra and tor shin, a relation shaip that ensnared members of trump campaigntreme and including advisers like donald trump jr., jared kushner and jeff sessions. the nra went all-in for trump in 2016. >> i've been a member for a long time and my boys are members so to get the endorsement, believe me, is a fantastic honor. >> reporter: it spent $30 million backing the trump
candidacy, more than 2008 and others combined. behind the scenes, tor shin was using nra ties to arrange a meeting in louisville. in an e-mail to the trump campaign, an associate said he's cultivating a back channel to president putin's kremlin, adding putin is deadly serious about building a good relationship with mr. trump. >> here you have in black and white evidence that there was an effort by the russians to use the nra as their channel -- one channel to the trump campaign. >> tor shin didn't meet trump at the nra meeting but met with trump jr. and some wonder if it was a set ip but the russians. trump jr. said he didn't recall discussion the upcoming election with tor shin and now david keene an nra board member and in 2015 he took nra backers to moscow, hosted by maria battina,
attracting attention for starting a gun rights group in russia. a country known for the strict firearms laws and the nra group went sightseeing. by 2016 they had become fixtures at the nra high dollar donor events and the nra said tor shin hasn't made any donations aside from membership dues. but russia experts say the close ties to putin and division around guns in america mean his coziness with the nra looks like a classic russian influence operation. >> vladimir putin is using these issues to divide us and split and make weaker the united states and that is something i believe all of americans ought to be concerned about. >> reporter: now the white house and the trump campaign and the nra did not want to comment. david keene did not want to comment on the trip to moscow but did s-- did say he was not
aware of any donations from alexander tor shin. >> and there are may be other very manies. thank you. a russian lawyer who met with top campaign officials reveals herself as an informant. how will that play into the robert mueller investigation. and a newly released report that clears trump from colluding as russia as he claims?
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breaking news. president trump is offering up strong praise for the leader of north korea and south korea after a historic meeting while criticizing his predecessors for being played leek a fiddle. he has narrowed down two or three locations for the site for the meeting. and let's bring in samantha vin grad and you served with president obama. tell us -- give us a window into how difficult this must have been to make all of this happen? it is pretty extraordinary to watch. >> it is. and this was a historic inter-korean meeting but the key point to remember is that break-through and denuclearization mean different things in d.c. and pyongyang and seoul. it doesn't mean the removal of nuclear weapons or more hand shakz a-- more handshakes and
talking and that is what we need to know. >> do we think the meeting between donald trump and kim jong-un will happen. he said maybe it will happen and maybe it won't. we'll see what happens. >> he has been cautiously optimistic but we -- it does seem more likely to happen than when the president first announced he had accepted the invitation. everyone is skeptical but it does seem -- he sent mike pompeo to north korea and met with kim jong-un and they've narrowed it down to two locations an it was fascinating to acknowledge things went from him and kim jong-un trading insults and the president calling him short and fat on twitter to where they are now. and the president i think recognizes how much things have changed but he does seem cautiously optimistic. >> and he didn't want to comment about whether or not he had spoken with kim jong-un. and i'll ask you this, lindsey graham today said get that nobel peace prize ready for president trump if this works out. obviously that is spiking the football slightly before the end zone. but what do you make of that?
he is going to deserve some credit at the end of the day if this pans out. >> i think certainly most expert as -- expert as agree the president deserves credit for bringing them to the negotiating table but talk of a nobel peace prize is -- and you think about 1994 and clintonon and with kim jong-un's father and that fell apart. we don't have a commitment to dismantle the nuclear program and don't have clarity over what concessions they might be seeking from the united states. and recall, president trump said that if he's not happy with the trajectory of the deal, he will walk away from the table. so we're a long ways away from a peace prize and some credit of course for the most recent developments that do go to the president. >> and we have no idea if the north koreans are playing the long game and see what they could get out of the united states and the international community and ultimately do nothing. and laura coats, to you on the this new report in the new york
times about natalia veselnitskaya. the russian lawyer who met with campaign officials in 2016 and we find out she has kremlin connections. this is long suspected that is now confirmed. how serious of a development do you think this is and what does it mean to the investigation of the special counsel's case. >> i think it is likely that mueller and his team were aware all along, which is why they had an interest already in the meeting. it is one of the first instances where we knew about somebody with a direct connection to russia meeting with members of the campaign -- and manafort was in the that room and kushner and donald trump jr. and so there was an inkling there was an issue. and it is important because she's admitting she is not just there for the magnitsky act and talking about russian adoption. she's saying that she was an informant and with a close tie in many ways to the prosecutor general in russia. that is very, very big and very disturbing considering that what is her incentive now to come out and tell us if everyone
suspected, is there an end game. but i think mueller was already well versed in this area but it does have ramifications. >> and samantha, this is what the russians do. this shouldn't be that surprising. >> standard operating pleaseure. and i don't think anyone is surprised, including manafort and donald trump jr. or kushner. and we've had this woman saying for months that didn't have ties with the kremlin and a lawyer. and then out of nowhere we have this admission that she works with the kremlin. putin had to sanction sher saying that publicly. and so to me this is vladimir putin engaging in a putin-esque show of force and telling donald trump and everyone else in the meeting he has information that could impact the investigation and could impact them. >> and i have to think there are people inside of the white house who are pulling their hair out over this. we'll have more on the exclusive. did a russian banker illegally try to help the trump campaign by funneling money through the
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responsible like many other lobbying organizations or special interest groups to report to the fec but there are caveats. first of all, the nra can accept foreign donations. it is not against the law. only if those foreign funds are used for election purposes. and they have ways to maneuver the money around. their political action campaign could say well our victory fund will report, but if it is a school assessment or training for our nra members, we can move that money around and not have the same transparency reporting requirement. so they're bracing themselves to have that veil lifted and many times the first time to say, hold on, where is the nra really funneling the money and how are you able to discern from the election purposes and other things and can we believe in your transparent reporting? it will take note that this is a cause for concern. >> and caitlyn, we know about the close ties between the president and the nra and when he was considering the gun control policy and then the nra
came in and had a meeting with him and then they ended up not having as many gun control policies. what does this do to the relationship between the president an the nra. >> it raises questions because as you said, they're fundraising is tight knit and they did give the trump campaign $30 million. so it does -- we do know this white house and the nra are very close and the president and the head nra wayne la pierre are close and chris cox, the top lobbyist and they are close and all of this comes as vice president mike pence is going to speak at an nra summit in dallas next friday. so certainly a white house that is very close to the nra and i think it would raise questions for them. >> and what kind of signal zz this send to capitol hill? republicans in congress when the nra speaks they listen. >> and i think anything involving the nra has largely become a partisan affair on capitol hill. they donate to both democrats and republican as like, but republicans tend to me more supportive of efforts to protect the nra. one thing that is important to recall, as others are saying, is
that they use a dark money organization which is their lobbying arm to protect their donors from public scrutiny and in doing so shield themselves from accountability but it is significant if they were willing to shed more light on the kremlin-linked bankers because they want more details and information about those interactions and so far they have resisted so this could be a turning point. >> and sam, what does this mean from a national security point with a powerful lobby group in washington. another dimension from this we've never experienced before. >> they have a pretty substantial track record and by they i mean the russians of supporting or financial or laundering information from extreme groups on the right and left. the russians don't love guns. they chose the nra because the nra is divisive. >> they love discord. >> and so giving money to groups like the nra or even far left groups on the environmental side
is a way for them to sew discord and any were a special interest group and hi taken russian money, i would be yoired. >> don't take that meeting in the future. thank you very much. coming up, the leaders of north korea and south korea coming together for a historic summit and could it lead to a break-through?
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images from a historic meeting between the leaders of north and south korea. bryaned to has been tracking these tops. is this a sign of things to come? >> it could be. given the pace all of this has been moving. we're told there's serious challenges to kim jong-un and kim moon with the agreements they made at the summit. the fact we have arrived at this moment given where we were a few months ago is astoundsiiastound. a dramatic greeting. kim jong-un steps over the military demarcation line into south korea. later kim talks about the gravity of that moment. >> as i was stepping over it, i was thinking why did it take so long, 11 years to get to this historic moment and why was it so difficult to come here. >> reporter: tonight veteran
korea watchers say it's remarkable given the tensions in this stand off that this summit took place. >> just the fact that north korea and south korea are talking and nuclear missiles tests have stopped for now is a cause for optimism. the symbolism of this meeting is important. only a few short months ago we were deeply concerned about armed hostility breaking out on the korean peninsula. now that threat has receded. >> reporter: kim and south korean president said a goal of denuclearizing the korean peninsula. a high hurdle was a that has two gift meanings for both sides. if the u.s. it means kim dismantling his arsenal. >> north korea wants the u.s. to remove troops from korean peninsula and stop threatening north korea with sanctions and to remove the sanctions. >> reporter: kim and moon
pledged to bring an end to the war which will be challenging because the u.s. and china would have to sign off on it. with the north koreans none of these deals come without a price. >> the north korean leadership doesn't hold summits unless they think they will get something for it in return. in some cases literal cash. in other cases it's concessions and political benefits. kim jong-un will be pushing for an end to sanctions. >> reporter: for now the two leaders are basking in the imagery. kim's departing limo flanked by running security agents and kim speaking about trngs in his country. >> it's more convenient to come by airplane. our roads are uncomfortable. i know because i just came down here. i would greet you at the airport if you came by plane. >> reporter: moments that may not have unfolded some analysts believe if kim hasn't been alarmed by president trump's
volatility and his tougher stance on north korea. >> there's been a lot more pressure placed on north korea and i think without the pressure that he has been willing to place, it's not at all clear that north korea would have been willing to change its stance. >> reporter: another dramatic moment in the summit came when kim jong-un and north korea and south korea will be reunited as one country. for kim that means one country under his rule. something south korea and the united states just won't accept. jim. >> there's one person aside from the key leaders who stays on the sideline but instrumental this making this happen. that's kim's sister. >> that's right. kim was at her brother's side at the dmv. she was taking notes and exchanging paper. trying to stay out of limelight but she was crucial to all of this. her trip to the winter olympics in south korea made this possible. she was a key go between with her brother and moon. she really is the only person in that regime who kim jong-un
completely trusts. don't be visurprised if she pla a key role in a summit with donald trump. >> fascinating. thank you very much. breaking news, next. a judge puts stormy daniels lawsuit against president trump and his attorney on hold. we'll talk live to daniels lawyer. about what this means for their case. diagnosed with cancer, searching for answers may feel overwhelming. so start your search with our teams of specialists at cancer treatment centers of america. the evolution of cancer care is here. learn more at cancercenter.com/experts
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bit, i'm feeling fine now. >> happy to have you back. the looking good. >> oh, thank you. >> you're "outnumbered." >> i am. thank you very much. good to be here. >> president trump's legal team taking on tougher tone to deal with special counsel robert mueller, his new attorney rudy giuliani explaining why he doesn't want the president to sit down for an interview with robert mueller. >> because they are trying to trap, you couldn't put a lawyer on the show who wants to keep his law license to tell you to testify. they don't have a case on collusion or obstruction, they are asking all kind of questions about what do you feel and think. i will walk him into prosecution for perjury? >> giuliani was asked if he believes the president could be forced to testify before a grand jury, watch what he said. >> we don't have to, he's the president of the united states. we can assert the same privilege as other presidents have. >> are you confident the president will not take the fifth in this case?
>> how could i be confident of that? >> short time ago our own judge andrew weighed in on the legal argument, watch. >> i don't blame him for making that argumenta, that's his job to make it, he's been making it extensively over the weekend, but history shows that presidents, when subpoenaed by grand jurys, one way or another, do comply. >> charlie hunt, what say you? >> charlie: you know, this rudy giuliani thing, i keep referring as the shock in all legal strategy. you have no idea what, i mean, he is all over the place, but the bottom line is, you know, he is right about one thing, he needs to prevent the president from testifying. if he walks in and sits down under oath with mueller and his team, it absolutely will be perjury trap and i'm sure the president would be delighted to go and talk to them and -- because the president always
fraud case against paul manafort, judge ellis telling mueller, you don't care about mr. manafort's bank fraud, but what information mr. manafort can give you that would reflect on mr. trump or lead to prosecution or impeachment or whatever, that is what you are really interested in. here is reaction to former -- from a former federal attorney joe digenova, part of the president's legal team at one time and rudy giuliani. watch. >> i do, i believe that after judge ellis' remarks last night, there is no question that the amount of government misconduct is accumulating. it is greater than anybody realizes. >> this investigation reached level of bad faith, no longer a good faith investigation. >> all right, so is this no longer good faith investigation and was that federal judge right to call manafort's team out -- not manafort, mueller's team out, rather?
>> charlie: i from the beginning don't believe this was good-faith investigation. clearly it wasn't when we started to see the charges coming out. not all charges against paul manafort have nothing to do with donald trump or his actions with the campaign. it has to do with things from the past that okay, i'm in favor of prosecuting somebody for anything, breaking laws. so, you know, you didn't need a political investigation, special prosecutor in order to go after these things, these things should have been gone after a long time ago by regular white collar crime prosecutors. >> best lin from t.s. ellis iii, he said, he is asking for more evidence from the memo, right? >> the actual memo. >> he went back to d.o.j. saying i need evidence from the mueller team. they are saying, we have it. he said, let me be the judge of that. he may end up being a big player in this entire thing. what he's saying, what evidence
look at rod rosenstein, he's the guy who laid out the case for firing james comey and the one that appoints special counsel to give mueller broad authority to look at things like obstruction of justice, for instance. again, he laid out the case to fire james comey. look at the fact we know that james clapper wanted comey to sit down and brief president trump about the dossier and that meeting is leaked to the press, right? we know james comey himself was one that said the was looking for a news hook to publish the dossier. nobody could verify the dossier, including own intelligence, as well, could not verify the dossier. then the run with the dossier and from there on it has been rampant in the media about russia collusion. how can you look at some of these things and not be concerned objectively regardless what your position on the president is, that should be deeply concerning. >> like a movie trailer for what is going on. >> but it is true. where is rod rosenstein?
>> do we know enough about the parameters of this investigation? >> no, we don't. i mean, i think that is why judge ellis wants to see "the memo," and understand the scope of the investigation. and it is the political critics of the president are actually waiting in the wings, hoping the manafort investigation can yield impeachment, what happens when it doesn't? >> right. >> no accountability for the wasted taxpayer money and all of this time and all of the damage that it has done to potentially the office by becoming that shiny object that the media likes so much like to focus on. >> then the political fall-out from going after paul manafort, he wasn't a good guy. >> he wasn't a good guy. >> he may be compromised, but is it worse this obsession, this constant obsession that really does -- >> he broke the law, separately, as they are doing with michael cohen and others, separately go after him. why keep one case and not the
other? that is a very fair question. >> yeah, where is rod rosenstein, charlie, in this he he kroeted this memo that led to the investigation. >> charlie: last week he went aggressively and said they will not be extorted, basically accusing his bosses, in the white house and congress of trying to extort the department of justice, which i think is a crime, but -- >> i think extortion in general >> charlie: exactly. amazing thing to think about. >> to your point, charlie, it doesn't exactly boost confidence in the d.o.j. or the f.b.i. >> charlie: no. >> that is severely lack nothing contentuous confirmation. >> i watch your show 8 p.m. eastern and i sometimes will hear you say about, you know, where this investigation is. why do you think it is that we are at a point now where people aren't necessarily waiting or looking at the evidence, but waiting to be told? is it because there has been so
much focus on this? >> apparently, yes, so problematic and out of hand and so all-consuming and i hope everyone steps back and asks themselves, is this the function of an investigative counsel? is this what we put so much faith and money and time, endless time and money into special counsel? >> charlie: the clock is ticking, we get closer to mid-term, mueller is about to pull a comey and wind up being in the middle of an election doing this -- >> i don't know which part, leak or which part of comey? >> charlie: having a huge major high-profile investigation in the middle of an election. you don't want that. >> trying to get people to flip flop and it will not happen. president trump throwing full support behind his pick to head the c.i.a. talking about that ahead of her confirmation hearing that is happening wednesday. the white house says gina haspel is victim to bring down one of
the president's nominees. plus, president trump accusing former secretary of state john kerry of potentially breaking the law, after reports mr. kerry was meeting secretly with the iranians in an effort to save that iran nuke deal. former secretary kerry responding. >> john kerry. [booing] >> president trump: not the best negotiator we've ever seen. never walked away from the table, except to be in that bicycle race. >> this program is brought to you by lear capital.
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through the process. haspel faces stiff criticism from democrats and some republicans, even in her role in enhanced interrogation procedure. love your take, kennedy, i know you have something to say about this. democracy, president trump won the election, should pick the people he wants in top positions. >> kennedy: absolutely, that is what the hearings are for, vet these people, get a sense of who they are and challenge them on past and present positions. certainly her personal history. and hiding behind the fact that much of her work histories classified is not enough. there are some very serious questions that need to be raised about those sites, particularly the ones she oversaw in thailand and two senators, whom i think are good on civil liberty, white and rand paul raised concerns about her and i hope senators take careful time and deliberation. we have, as we were just talking
about, such erosion of trust and law enforcement and with the c.i.a. we can't just say, you know, she's a woman, she's been there a long time and that is enough. that is not enough. it doesn't matter who the candidate is. if there are questions about their past, those need to be raised and thoroughly answered. >> and be taken to that hearing, this comes charlie, after admiral ronny jackson was dragged through the mud publicly. what does it say about where we are that you have a lot of public servants that want to withdraw their names before being put up before a hearing. it is sad. >> charlie: kennedy, you are right and i would like answers to the questions, as well. sadly, you could probably count on one hand the number of democrats or republicans in the senate who actually care about those things and want the answers to those questions. the real thing, they don't like her because donald trump nominated her and want to do anything they can to undermine him by stopping her.
obviously they are not doing -- haven't yet gone into any of the personal stuff the way we saw with ronny jackson, but i think politically speaking, again, setting aside the good questions you raised, the politically speaking, this is a great fight for trump to have. especially when he's in the middle of negotiating with north korea, talking about iran. major things going on. this is a great -- >> i would say that it is okay for him in your argument, to have that, but for the democracy itself, maybe not so much. >> charlie: agreed. >> kennedy: we've got open seats of more than 100, i was at the going away event for the german ambassador, what -- >> rick ranel. >> kennedy: he was thanking people for support, he waited so long to get confirmed. i agree with kennedy, we need a venue to ask about the black sites and a venue to get thoughtful questions. i don't know if a hearing will
get us further than other public hearings have. we need vetting and do it expeditiously. what granel wants to do. he will be pretty busy with germany and iran and korea and all that, pretty busy with that, but when he can, he wants to fight against a can sept everything has to go through the senate and congress for confirmation. can there be some jobs where you have thoughtful review and not have it be a political fight. >> i thought it was interesting. >> he would know, he's been through it. >> lisa, sarah sanders did say this, everyone fighting for women empowerment are hypocrites saying gina haspel can't go up. >> it makes me laugh, using democrats against them. anything sexist, if they disagree, they label you something horrific and you are likely not. i think it is kind of funny to use that against the democrats. if you are not going to support the first female c.i.a.
director, you are sexist or don't believe in women's empowerment. the trump administration has a strong case to be made here. look, gina haspel has been part of the c.i.a. since 1985, as long as i've been alive and on this earth. she's had the endorsement -- >> charlie, we feel old. [laughter] >> she also has support of every individual who served in the intelligence committee, former directors, deputy directors, as well, and i do think if democrats vote against her largely for political reasons, not like kennedy laid out and having real concerns and questions for her. it is political. we saw that play out with mike pompeo when democrats voted for him for c.i.a. director and didn't support him as secretary of state. come on. >> at least have the hearing. great point. it is on wednesday, we'll see what happens there. >> coming up on the show, final push by supporters and critics of the iran nuclear deal ahead of political dead let line coming this saturday. top diplomat is making official during a two-day stop in
washington, plus amid the good vibes ahead of historic summit between president trump and the north korean dictator, rogue nation is lashing out at the u.s., what is this about and does it put that meet nothing jeopardy? reid lamberty i won't use the rhetoric then, i'm trying to calm it down a little bit. i will not use the rhetoric.
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concerns of the president and not throw the baby out with the bath water. not junk the deal. as i say, plan b does not seem to me to be particularly well developed at this stage. >> the visit by the u.k. top diplomat ahead of the may 12 deadline for the president to decide whether he will keep the u.s. in the deal. meanwhile, a top republican is urging the president to stick with the agreement, congressman thornberry chairs the armed services committee. watch. >> the key question is, okay, now we are where we are, what happens next if the u.s. pulls out? maybe the best thing is for the president to delay a bit more, his deadline of this month, and put the french and the british up to the test about whether it is possible to get this other sort of agreement. >> harris: okay, one side, charlie, delay things and work on a contingency plan and bring more people and europe onboard.
what do you think about the reports of shadow diplomacy with the former secretary of state, john kelly? i mean, does that help our government? help our cause to have him in the back wings saying no, no, no, keep the deal and no. >> charlie: no, it is breathtaking, the idea, john kerry wants to put oar in the water on this, not because he hasn't already, he came up with a crappy deal to begin with, call up the secretary of state and lobby him. the idea that john kerry would go behind secretly negotiate with the leader of a country that wants to annihilate us, remove us from the map of the world, and secretly negotiate with them to undermine u.s. foreign policy, which is being set by the president and unlike john kerry, who tried and failed, donald trump ran for president and got elected president and gets to set the policy. >> you know what makes sense, makes him the jane fonda of the
middle east, not kidding about that. >> charlie: it is true. >> something unethical and underheadd and put politics aside, foreign policy and diplomacy is straight from domestic politics. put that aside and go ahead -- >> it is a little back and forth. >> charlie: donald trump won the election run og this issue, that is another important thing to remember, as well. >> harris: the president tweeted, he likes to do that. he did. the united states does not need john kerry's possibly illegal shadow diplomacy on the badly negotiated iran deal. he was the one that created this mess in the first place, exclamation point. back and forth and then john kerry spokesperson, very busy, i think every american would want every voice possible to urge iran to remain in compliance with the agreement that prevented a war. all right, i want to get my head around the spokesperson's response, though, lisa, it is saying two different things. it is not saying stay in the
deal, it is not just saying that, but it averted a war. talk to me. >> lisa: based on recent intelligent from israel that came to light, the intelligence community has known about for a while that the entire deal was basically predicated on a bunch of lies, right? built on a bunch of lies from iran itself. to charlie's point real quick regarding john kerry. it is a little hypocritical going back and looking at some accusations on michael flynn when he was part of an income administration talking about sanctions with the russian ambassador, pretty much standard operating procedure considering the fact he is part of an incoming administration, hypocrisy -- but for president trump, three main concerns with the iran deal, ballistic missile, verification, what they have on the ground and the sunset clauses, as well. we know that even president macron share the concerns. the question is what do we do and can we strengthen the deal.
>> harris: i don't know if concerns from macron and certainly not from the actual german chancellor, angela merkel, we know she wouldn't see it this way, if the concerns were sincere enough to drive a new deal. sure, they are there. i would add a fourth, we don't know the side deal. >> that is absolutely right. you don't know. when it comes to iran, there are no good options and talking about john kerry, this is his legacy, the iran deal is his entire baby. look back on his tenure of secretary of state, biggest thing he left behind. for him, a lot of this is personal. he's nervous the president is going to end the deal that is all he can -- during that time in office. it is ego. dealing with iran is more than ego. iran is the biggest threat to the united states for a number of reasons and no good options are on the table. either change the deal and if the president says he is negotiator and chief to practice negotiating skills. >> harris: how about everybody
else, like republicans, like thornberry, you can't step away from this deal. how about doing shadow deal building? plan b, i don't know. >> the same thing about the kind that is legal and patriotic within the walls of the congress in the united states. >> some other ideas. >> i know we're about to talk about north korea, but there are a lot of similarities here and the biggest issue with iran is not them having a nuclear weapon, it is having hedge moany and having a relationship with north korea, having stake in syria, absolutely, it is also funding hezbollah and human rights violations, among other things. you know, those elements were completely sidelined in crafting of this deal to the detriment of not only middle east, but -- >> you have people like rice who said it wouldn't be the end of the world if we did pull out. some people are pushing president trump to stay in it. it wouldn't be the end of the world.
>> that is different information, he wants to do what he wants to do. >> dream big. >> north korean lashing out at u.s. ahead of a planned summit between president trump and kim jong-un. the news agency says washington is "misleading public opinion by claiming u.s.-led sanctions pressured the regime to make denuclearization pledge," and it warns the u.s. not to deliberately provoke the north by deploying strategic assets in south korea and raising human rights issues. just days ago president trump said he's taking steps to reduce tension with the regime. watch. >> president trump: we're really doing well with north korea. we're really doing well. [applause] >> president trump: remember, they said, it's going to be terrible, they were actually saying, three months ago when the rhetoric was rather sharp. do we agree? i won't use the rhetoric, i'm trying to calm it down a little bit. i will not use the rhetoric. >> no rhetoric. >> harris: let's talk about this, kim jong-un is essentially
a sociopath, throwing a fit about the big wheel, the big gun, his nuclear program. it is not a surprise they are pushing back in this way through the state-run news agency, but does it actually, is this sort of volley that we should expect leading up to the summit or is this problematic? >> charlie: the fact there hasn't been more quite frankly, surprises me. because of course, you would expect this and you're exactly right, kim jong-un is a tyrant and you can't trust a word he says. that is why, i said, anybody in negotiations with lunatic like this, good to have like somebody like donald trump, i have more faith in him than i would say john kerry going into the negotiations. the reason is because as we saw with iran, he didn't address things we care most about, he gave them bundles and bundles of money and billions -- >> literally. not even metaphorically. >> charlie: funding terror
efforts around the world. i do believe donald trump will walk away if he doesn't get what he wants and i believe that he will go in there and genuinely try to drive a real good bargain. >> can i ask you a question? you have diplomacy in your family. >> i've lived in those neck of the woods. >> and through your dad, the ambassador. when you look at what has been accomplished so far, it still far ahead of anything we have seen. >> kennedy: historic. we should all take a step back and realize where we are at this moment. the fact that north and south korea, kim jong-un stepped foot on south korean soil, first time in decades, that is a huge deal. you have to remember what is going on in the head of kim jong-un, right? in his mind, of course he's not wanting to give president trump credit for this happening, in his mind, he's accomplished what his dad and granddad have been pushing for years and years, developing nuclear program, right? now he says we can hang with the big guys, as nuclear country, so we
are now able to open up to the west, they still want to remain that strong voice and strong power, so the president has to be careful. >> harris: can you do both? >> kennedy: i think you can. does it really matter if it was sanctions and the pressure and -- >> harris: it does to him. it does to kim jong-un. >> charlie: and to donald trump. >> kennedy: say we give him that one, kim, you can have it on your terms. burger king all the way. >> it is optics for kim jong-un, the political optics for him, he has to save faith heading into the conversation with the president. >> harris: can we just give them this one? it is interesting. >> kennedy: you did it because you are so smart and logical and love swiss cheese and obviously that is -- >> nobody likes swiss cheese. >> president trump weigh nothing on three senate primaries tomorrow, could determine the balance of power in washington. candidates in those races aligning themselves with the president and his agenda. will that strategy work in the
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represent the g.o.p.'s best hopes of unseeding incumbent democrats. charlie, i'm hearing don blankenship is up by two in west virginia right now. karl rove says republicans can kiss west virginia goodbye if don blankenship wins, is he right? >> charlie: i don't know if he's right about that. a lot of people predicting don blankenship wasn't wane west virginia, have been wrong about a lot of things. also not forget in 2012, it was a convicted felon who was in prison who won 40% of the vote in west virginia, while in prison, against -- in democratic primary against barack obama. west virginia, predicting how west virginia will vote is not an easy thing. there is a real problem that republicans are having drafting off of the trump -- off of trump's coattails. the big problem is that, you
know, the anti-washington sentiment that got trump into the white house is still out there. so in place like west virginia, they wind up going behind guy like blankenship. >> west virginia is an interesting state, since about 2000, it's really been trending more and more red. the only reason joe manchin has been the main democrat there, he is very much in the middle. he didn't support tax cuts, he didn't support repealing obamacare. interesting to see how that plays in the general. i think he's still a very popular, he was governor of the state, if he were to lose as democrat of west virginia, i think that could be the beginning of west virginia completely being red. >> i've interviewed joe manchin and he is a strong candidate. don blankenship been to jail, probably not the best to have candidate who spent time in jail. >> did you see his campaign ad? cocaine mitch, i don't care, man, he looks like he's nervous about something. >> do you agree with charlie's assessment that perhaps it
doesn't matter who wins the primary in the state? >> i think it does matter. i think unfortunately for republicans, there are still going to be very independent-minded voters in a place like west virginia. it's different than every other state and, you know, they deserve to put their own candidates and nominees forth, i get that. still, don blankenship looks nuts. >> harris: just for a second, revisit what we saw in pa-18, district 18 with connor lamb. if joe manchin decides to even just a little bit further right, republicans are going to have a mess on their hands potentially, right? >> yeah. >> harris: you can say it doesn't matter who he goes up against, you got to be looking at who can beat joe manchin, regardless of whose coattails, whose tweets, looking that way. the attorney general, i don't know, maybe. these other men in the race benefited from the president's tweet potentially, maybe. who can really beat joe manchin
who might go a little bit right like connor lamb. that candidate might not be real down the road, but real in this race. >> spot on. >> harris: some counties in illinois are taking tip from liberal declaring sanctuarys for gun ors, will it work? is it the right way to handle this issue? stay tuned. simple goodness
>> harris: welcome back. a controversial move by some county necessary southern illinois declaring themselves sanctuary counties for gun rights. they are pushing back against threats to target their second amendment right. taking cue from sanctuary city policies that refused to enforce federal immigration laws. authors behind the resolution admit their move is largely symbolic, but they are making a point. this is interesting, charlie, you have republicans who are basically sending a message to democratic lawmakers pushing for more gun control in illinois. question is, is this hypocritical for republicans who have been so negative, so anti-sanctuary city and state to say we'll do the same thing about laws we don't want to abide by. >> charlie: sure, it is hypocritical. do this with immigration laws
and claiming duly-passed, enacted immigration laws that are on the books and have been for a long time, we're not going to obey the laws, why don't you do it for everything. you could do it for gun laws, for, i don't know, whatever. and, it is a terrible thing. >> harris: should we do away with sanctuary cities? >> charlie: that would be a start. >> kennedy: we have to find a difference between constitutional right. this is enshrined in the bill of rights for a very good reason and it's very important issue for many americans who feel it is their duty in order to protect themselves and their families and self-defense is critical, especially in places like illinois, where parts of illinois have been, you know, riddled with the type of crime that you really don't see, except for once in a generation and they want this phased path and do it by protecting themselves and that is the
difference. immigration policy is screwed up, it is up endd and republicans and democrats have to figure out way to have comprehensive immigration so you don't have willie nilly policies in states, countys and cities. >> harris: i'm understanding this is happen nothing rural counties in the state? this underscores a point i've been making, gun control is not right versus left, it is rural verse urban. breaking down of course your thoughts, which is true, more rural individuals have guns than those that live in urban areas, but the fact you have the bulk of the rural individual have owned a gun before the age of 18 and that break down is so different than individuals living in urban areas, as well. i think it underscores this deep divide on the gun divide based on what area you live in. >> harris: when you look at the vice chairman of the board and this is a rural area effingham
county. what he is saying, they are turning the wording on its head because it provides you such a rich talking point, at that point. the word is already out there. sanctuary and it does flip it. what kennedy is saying, do you need a sanctuary for something that is constitutionally protected and do you go down a dicey road if you treat it like that? >> charlie: what really should happen, these laws should be challenged on the grounds of constitutionality and the supreme court has been very vocal that there are very, very few limits that you can ever put on this stuff because as i you say, it is constitutional right. you can protect yourself, your family and your neighbors. >> yeah. >> i think there is a difference talking sanctuary city and gun rights? >> charlie: absolutely. >> see how this plays out. >> harris: especially for people that say they have a right to be here, illegally or not and want sanctuary cities, like what they are doing in chicago, with rob
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time maya schwager welcome to the show the leaders of north and south korea have pledged to formally and the two countries state zero for sixty five years after the end of combat and a landmark summit kim jong un and mungy in announce their plan for peace they vowed to seek a nuclear free korean peninsula and for an informal peace treaty for years and north korea's kim said the two countries are like families linked by blood and cannot live separately the leaders insisted they do not want to repeat the mistakes of the past. it's been a monumental day of breakthroughs in the standoff between the koreas let's take a look at what the two leaders have agreed to so far a plan to convert the cease fire into a peace treaty ending the war they fought for almost seventy years they've agreed
to the full denuclearization of the korean peninsula families torn apart by the war will be reunited with a liaison office on the northern side of the border a second summit will be held in the north korean capital of pyongyang in the fall and after their talks concluded the two leaders each offered their remarks on what their meeting has achieved let's take a listen. origen general dannatt on one general day chairman kim yong moon and i confirms that's our shared goal is to rid the korean peninsula of nuclear weapons three complete clear ice age and the preceding measures made by north korea have very important meetings it will be a valuable beginning swill to complete their isolation of the korean peninsula from this moment i want to clearly declare that south and north korea will closely cooperate with each other to completely denuclearize the korean peninsula and. i can talk with you no more. today we will make sure the agreement we have
reached which the people of the korean peninsula and the world are watching does not repeat the unfortunate history of unfilled promises by closely communicating and cooperating with each other in order to yield good results. no took and that is our efforts of break this down for us i'm joined in the studio by a band that i got from the german council on foreign relations he's a korean specialist there so this is really it feels like a momentous occasion right here this thawing of relations between the two koreas we saw a bit of what they're planning to do what do you think of what they've announced for a policy perspective well i think there's a great breakthrough in both parties managed to come together today they agreed already agreed on the range of issues that one of the most important ones is that they want to renew the ceasefire agreement and have some other kind of agreement and i think in the past the cease fire agreement was a very shaky it was overcome and didn't really constitute a status quo anymore and if both sides managed to replace the intergovernmental
agreement that would be a real big step forward and we're looking at pictures here of the south and north korean leaders at their press conference let's talk about what these developments mean in terms of what could actually be accomplished are we just talking about pure symbolism here are we actually witnessing the arrival of peace on the korean. and that's a lot well that remains to be seen for the moment both koreas have agreed on a reproach and promises if agreed to resume family reunions they want to have a corporation the military affairs and scaled down conventional weapons so there's a basic stance but in the past we have seen that these confidence building measures between the both careers were not so not only useful as long as u.s. and north korea don't go through a new solutions among themselves so we have to see how the u.s. can come back into this process and how constructive that process will be right and we're going to be joined now by philip bilski who is in seoul for us philip you're
there you're actually witnessing what's happening just give us an idea of what's happening on the ground right now well i'm here at the press center in the north of seoul and we've been getting a life coverage live footage of what has been having happening at the summit itself the whole day and the last pictures we got were pictures from that dinner so that you know it started at six thirty local time with the south korean president moon and the north korean leader. the wife of both and officials from from both sides so that's the latest we got we got here in the press center itself as. many journalists are still busy writing their pieces trying to analyze what has been happening during the day but some also have already left so it's getting. more empty now do you have a sense of what the mood in korea there is like in light of these pretty dramatic
developments. yes very much so i think so it started in the early morning here in the press center so sad we got the life footage during the whole day and. i'm here with i was here during the day with three thousand journalists from more than thirty countries which would show us how significant is this summit. and two thirds of these jonas actually came from korea and this morning when south korean president and the north korean leader met and when they shook hands and you could read it get the attention that was in this room here and at one time some journalist even started applauding so you could get a really impression you could really feel that you that you know seeing something really historic here and this feeling continued during the whole day now back to we
know that denuclearization is now on the table this is a big step this is something that the u.s. has been trying to get north korea to do for decades now why do you think the north would give up their biggest bargaining chip here. gaining share the nuclear deterrent was built up to secure north korea's defense against the u.s. and maintain the regime and do nuclearization is only on the table if there's a real progress and they go see asians and then the end of the day if the u.s. is also willing to provide security guarantees and i think you're again the obs tusa grima and replacement of the arms disagreement is useful because it can establish a new status quo and provide security for all sides and again we're looking here at pictures of kim jong un and one day in here on their long walk that they took for assumably to discuss the future of their two countries together philip back to you for a moment if the tensions between north and south are finally resolved how could that
change people's daily lives on both sides of the d.m.z. there. well i think we are at the moment still at a really early early stage so. one of the things they agreed upon is to find a way to a peace agreement but at the same time as soon as you know the precise cease fire at the end of the korean war was signed by china the united states and north korea so north and south korea can't really decide on. a transformation towards or a move towards a peace agreement so i think one of the next things will be to talk to the united states stops talks to china and then we would see how it how things develop but right now i think it's really weird to read early stage right now. we know that this summit was billed as sort of a warm up to this some of this being talked about a tween and u.s.
president donald trump and we actually now have a reaction from president trump via twitter i believe he tweeted just earlier today after a few areas year of missile launches and nuclear testing a historic meeting between north and south korea is now taking place good things are happening but only time will tell band. the u.s. president and the north korean president meeting this was supposed to be a big deal but do we feel now that this meeting with all of its developments has overshadowed that well this is not a matter for shattering it's not about the symbolism and the show it's about real content and they're different the two leaders have for these provided the cornerstone for a process because they're late the basis of different kinds of agreements and it's up to the u.s. now to jump onto the train and say recorder agree we want to commit to a long term process where immediate nuclearization is not possible that that will
be part of the process and that's a very difficult thing to do and i hope that this really is a sin also takes place in twitter tweets all right as we watch kim jong un and monday in plant these seeds of peace with a tree we think about from the german council of foreign relations and philip there in seoul for us thank you both very much for your analysis after a furious i may have donald trump's tweet again where he said good things were happening but time will tell and we will now move on to some other stories making news around the world britain's prince william and his wife kate have a newborn son named louis arthur charles his royal highness prince louis of cambridge as he will be known was born on monday morning he is the couple's third child and fifth in line to the british throne. u.s. actor and comedian bill cosby has been found guilty of drugging and sexually
assaulting a woman in two thousand and four prosecutors argued that the former entertainer had a secret predatory life during the trial five other women testified that the comedian had assaulted them in the past because of he said he will appeal the verdict. german chancellor angela merkel has arrived in washington d.c. for tough talks with u.s. president donald trump merkel landed in the u.s. capitol late last night during a three hour meeting today the leaders are expected to discuss the iranian nuclear deal u.s. steel tariffs and the war in syria it is the german chancellor second visit to d.c. sense trump took office and i take a look ahead to a meeting that will be brief but probably fraught. it's not all could moments during their first meeting at the white house that still sounds up the utter lack of political chemistry between i'm going to machall and donald trump.
when trump and simply didn't react as merkel asked him to shake hands thank you. german chancellor i'm going to cause reputation as the global leader who keeps the world strong men on the straight and narrow simply doesn't seem to apply to this u.s. president who insists on setting the pace and direction of global politics. observers say trump's erratic decision making challenges merkel's political style to confront even partners with very harsh positions to threaten and then to undo and sort of go back into a more cooperative mood and i would say he has kept european partners pretty much on their toes trump upstaged his nato allies by talking about money rather than values twenty three of the twenty eight member nations are still not paying what they should be paying and what they're supposed to be paying for their defense.
his willingness to challenge the core values that bind together what is known as the west soon led machall to a sobering conclusion. side. and then there are times in which we could rely fully on others are somewhat over. for by more than a year into the term presidency germany is still struggling to find common ground for cooperation with trumps in a circle merkel second visit is laden with pressing issues. there are three important issues on the transatlantic agenda for this meeting one is definitely trade and the criticism of the transatlantic trade arrangement the second one is germany's contributions in military terms to nato and the third one is the iran nuclear deal. the president of the french republic at the end of his state visit in monrovia called directly criticized trump steelmaking and called on u.s. congress to live up to europe's expectations the united states is the one
who invented this new deal of dualism you are zero one now. who has too old to preserve and reinvent it. one time this kind of stage the two and a half hour visit is set to focus on working down the list of problems my call had to leave unresolved with already resigned to the fact that a trade war is in the making expectations on live. and a reminder of the top story we're following here for you the leaders of north and south korea have agreed on the aim of completely ridding the korean peninsula of nuclear weapons and an unprecedented summit at the two states common border kim jong un and when jane also said they seek a formal peace treaty more than sixty years after the korean war ended in a truce. you're watching news from berlin more coming up at the top of the hour
he's said the word spy 17 times since last friday. adam schiff who was at the second meeting said he heard no evidence of a spy in the campaign today. >> there is no evidence to support any allegation that the fbi or any intelligence agency placed a spy in the trump campaign or otherwise failed to follow appropriate procedures and protocols. >> well, cnn's chief political correspondent dana bash joins us now. she's got new reporting on rudy giuliani's takes on the briefings today. i know you talked to giuliani about emmitt flood and how he ended up in the briefings. what did he say? >> that's right. i talked to him a couple of times tonight before coming on. i did ask him if emmitt went to these meetings at the behest of the president or maybe under orders of the president? he says he hasn't told him the answer is yes, but rudy giuliani tells me he assumes that was the reason why flood went, because
the president, his client, and the person who emmitt flood now works for inside the white house wanted him to be there. now, anderson, you mentioned the context of this, of why this is even a story. in the beginning but i can tell you as someone who's covered capitol hill for many, many years, the protocol for most if not all so-called gang of eight meetings, when the intelligence community or the law enforcement community is briefing the top intelligence lawmakers and leadership about issues like this, the white house isn't there. and that's even under the most benign circumstances. this adds a layer of the fact that the white house, meaning the president, is part of the investigation that they're talking about, which makes it so unbelievably unprecedented. >> right, the idea that the president or what rudy giuliani believes, that the president would have told the presidential attorney, flood, to go along with john kelly and address both
investigation of the facts, which is what gang of eight investigations is supposed to be. >> and this is too rich. i mean if you look at the underlying allegation here, that the fbi sent someone into a scenario in order to gather information inappropriately, i think that's what you saw today. like when you take a conflicted party like the president's lawyer who was hired to refute these allegations of russian collusion, he's obviously going to report back. i spent the better part of today giving the white house the benefit of the doubt. i described this as a perception problem. they don't understand this just looks bad to send someone in. but rudy giuliani to come out and say this is strategy, we're going to learn what he said and incorporate that into the investigation that's the definition of inappropriateness. >> flood was brought in for a possible impeachment fight was there for at least the beginning of the briefing today as far as we know. >> look, we've seen so many examples of the norms being
shattered, and this is a pretty explosive example, i think. and the reason is because, as i said, this isn't just about kind of the protocols which were not followed in that -- they had to fight, they the democrats, and even some republicans had to fight for the democratic leaders and the lead democrats from the intelligence committees even to be briefed in the first place. this time yesterday we rurnt sure that was going to happen. then when it happened the fact that it included somebody from the white house, whether or not he gave a statement at the top or he sat for the briefing it's sort of not even relevant. it is unbelievably, really unprecedented. and this is again not just in covering it, this is from talking from people who have been involved in these kinds of briefings for years who have said they've never seen anything like it. >> jeff, i also don't understand
the rationale they're giving that he was there to express the president's desire for transparency. that just seems -- >> also at this late stage in the investigation, they know what the president's position in transparency is. this investigation has been going on a long time. this looks what rudy giuliani said it was, which was an information gathering and advocacy mission by the president's chief of staff and his lawyer about something, a factual matter that congress is looking into. but that's not where they're supposed to be. it's a congressional investigation, and it is as dana keeps pointing out, the gang of eight, four democrats, four republicans, four from the house, four from the senate. it's a formal process that is meant to be neutral in its political orientation. and to have the president's lawyer in there is just wildly inappropriate. >> jeff, what impact do you think it has on chris ray of the
fbi, dana coats, the fbi. >> for any officer of the government who's charged with running a human source their job is going to become harder to help convince someone to come to their side. you likely went into that meeting with eight members of congress who again are known to be a little loose lipped, knowing that anything you said in that meeting could make it to the air waves. that's an unusual place to be in. but i think it's interesting when you look at what may have happened. i think it's safe to assume there wasn't some giant revelation of impropriety on the part of the fbi. and i think the reason we know that is we didn't see chairman nunes tripping over the microphones racing to his colleagues to tell us what he learned. >> and all of this is from adam schiff so far. >> right, and that's not much
except that he indicated that there was nothing to suggest that there were nefarious spies as the president and his aides are suggesting. >> and nunlz and gowdy reportedly didn't see the documents, they wanted, right? >> right. and that's a whole other issue, that this is not over politically when it comes to the pre-'s allies on capitol hill. everybody from mark meadows to others who kind of started the ball rolling demanding from the doj that they get to see information about this, they weren't satisfied with the briefings that were set up in the first place. so you're right, the fact that they seem to have gotten even less access than they thought that they would means that the sort of drum beat is going to continue from capitol hill. >> dana's making an important point here because this conflict as she says is not resolved between the house republicans in
the white house on one side and the justice department on the other is perhaps an attempt to force rod rosenstein to resign in protest or to fire him, which is something that the white house has been itching to do for a long time. so the fact that this crisis isn't over is very significant. >> thanks to everybody. a lot more ahead including more breaking news. we're learning not only did the president turn down a meeting with kim jong-un, his team also said no back enjanuary to robert mueller. more details on that. also north korea's reaction after the plug is pulled on the summit. we're live in north korea ahead. allergies with sinus congestion and pressure? you won't find relief here. go to the pharmacy counter for powerful claritin-d. while the leading allergy spray relieves 6 symptoms... claritin-d relieves 8, including sinus congestion and pressure. claritin-d relieves more. ♪ ♪
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and have the president sit down. so there was a meeting with mueller. he suggested let's get the president on january 27th and laid out 16 subjects, and the president's legal team listened to it. they met among themselves later on, and they were even thinking oh, maybe we can have this at kac camp david, might be a good place, we could do this on a saturday. and then after thinking about it, and there was some disagreement among the president's lawyers. but the lead of the president's team john dowd on january 29th sent mueller a letter, a 20-page letter which one source says the president read and approved saying there's no way we are going to do this both for constitutional issues, and we believe that you have all the information that you need from the millions of documents that we've handed over to you. >> and right around that time the president was actually sounding sort of enthusiastic about talking to special
counsel. >> he was. on january 24th when reporters asked him, and here's the quote, i'm looking forward to it actually. that he would have liked to have an interview, but and i think he probably was telling the truth at at that time. i think after the michael cohen i've been told the president said, no way, i'm not going to do it. and you've seen them ratcheting up their attack on mueller and his team and the investigators since that point. >> i also understand you have reporting about meetings between the president's legal team and mueller that happened two months later in march. >> right. so, you know, after this happened in january there was kind of a lull. because the mueller team and the trump team were on very different places. so they had a meeting on march 5th and another one on march 12th. but at the march 5th meeting, i'm told by a source, mueller reiterated that he needed to see the president, he needed to talk to the president because he
needed to know his intent before making certain decisions in his presidency. and of course we know what that refers to, is the firing of james comey. and at this point mueller has not changed his mind, and the trump team remains pretty entrenched about not having the president testify as you keep hearing publicly from giuliani. >> gloria, thanks very much. more legal aid now. john dean. he has seen these things from the inside. he was white house counsel to president nixon. what does it say the president was even one time closer to sitting down with robert mueller? >> not only his legal team in terms of the personnel has changed and been a revolving door but the strategy has changed. so at one point with a different set of players it sounds like they were negotiating and they
were perhaps had one set of constitutional concerns and now maybe there's a different set of constitutional concerns. so the legal strategy, the legal analysis and then the actual approach in dealing with the special counsel's office just constantly seems influx. >> and john, certainly things are not what they were back in january to say the least. a lot has happened since then including the raid on michael cohen's office. what do you think the odds are of the president sitting down to an interview without a fight at this point? >> i think there will be a fight. i don't think its his option either, anderson. i think what we're witnessing is very trumpian. where he is on all sides and all moods at different times and different stages of his thinking. and i think it's only going to be resolved as it has been with other presidents who had to appear, the threat of the subpoena will bring him to a decision very quickly. and i'm not sure he can win in court. i think indeed the law favors
the special counsel and the supreme court. i looked at the number of precedent setting instances where ken starr went to the supreme court and how quickly he got those rulings, for example, on the protective privilege for secret service testifying. he broke that privilege and did it very quickly. so these things can happen faster rather than slow. >> i wonder what you think about that, because the argument the president's legal team is making is because they believe mueller is following the justice department guidelines and that a sitting president can't be indicted, that the president can't be subpoenaed for something which is an unindictable offense. >> there is no specific case on point about whether or not a sitting president has to appear before a grand jury to give oral testimony. so there's document cases, but
there's not something on the specific issue. so it could be litigated. it seems like the president's team is leaning towards trying to drag this out and leaning towards perhaps forcing the special counsel's office to make that decision to serve a subpoena and fight it out in court. the irony is that the longer they drag this out, they increase the chances that the president will do more things that could add to the obstruction case. so the longer this drags out he could fire more people. he could sort of verbally or through twitter intimidate witnesses. he could do other things in terms of his coordination with congress, trying to unearth things about the investigation that have the tendency to disrupt it. so there is actually i think a jeopardy in them dragging this out as well. >> john, cnn reported this week that the president's legal team, they're trying to narrow the scope on any possible interview to russia related matters. no questions on possible obstruction of justice. can you see any possible
situation in which the special counsel agrees to that? >> it's an interesting argument that they would have no ability to restrict what happened before he became president and then have an ability to restrict under an executive privilege theory once he became president. it's never been litigated as we've just noted. i don't think it'll play either. i think that once they get it in there they're not going to agree to the questions. we've seen the breadth of the proposed topics they want to discuss, as gloria's reporting showed earlier today. and they're all over it, and trump is not going to be able to control that. >> john dean, just curious given that you lived through watergate, what do you make of the president's efforts to tag this using the term "spygate" clearly having a reference towards watergate and basically saying if it's true it's the biggest political story ever.
>> well, it seems he's taken -- got his hands on the fog machine that rudy giuliani has been handling. and he's just trying to put smoke out there, and it's not going to hold up. i think the briefing today pretty well showed this was standard operating procedure by the fbi, and if anything the fbi was protecting him and not spying on him but rather being cautious in how they proceeded, trying to see if these people even knew they were dealing with potential russian infiltration of some kind. so the spyigate doesn't work for me at all. coming up north korea has just reacted to the president calling off the summit with kim jong-un. there's been a lot of question marks and anxiety what they might say given the stakes. a rare live report from inside north korea as well. how do you win at business? stay at laquinta. where we're changing with contemporary make-overs. then, use the ultimate power handshake, the upper hander with a double palm grab.
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have this long planned meeting. therefore please let this letter serve to represent that the singapore summit for the of both parties that the meeting not take place. can you plain how this summit fell apart. >> reporter: a senior white house official says it was canceled after a series of breaken praur broken promises and odd judgment calls on the part of the north koreans. the things started to sour last week. they were essentially stood up by the north korean, they never showed up. they said that a number of inquiries they sent to north korea went unanswered. so that was a big red flag also came at a time when north korea had a change in tone. they released a statement last week for criticizing the u.s. asking korea to disarm and pull out of the summit. and then you had a statement
from kim last night from north korea calling the vice president a political dummy and threatening nuclear war. so you had all of that on top of the fact that kim jong-un had been a little bit skittish, showing some skittishness about flying to singapore. there was still a big distance on certain issue. so there was growing skepticism up until this point. but it really all culminated with that statement from north korea which led to this letter the president sent to kim jong-un today. i'm told that the administration had been expecting a response from north korea through national security channels. they knew there would be a response to mike pence's statements he made on fox news talking about the libya model. but when they received that statement from north korea threatening nuclear war, that is when the president met with his national security team, and the prevailing option on the table last night was just pull out of the summit. the president wanted to sleep on it, and that letter was sent this morning.
>> while the president did threaten military action this morning, he did leave it open for the summit to happen. >> that's right. in a letter he sent to kim jong-un on one hand he's boasting about the military prowess in the united states, and on the other hand he's inviting kim jong-un to call him or write to him. the president has signaled that he still wants this summit to happen even if it doesn't happen on june 12th as originally planned. i white house officials today what would it take for the summit to be back on track, and basically said the administration would need to see the opposite of what it has seen from north korea this past week for it to happen. >> even as the summit was being called off north korea was taking steps to scale back its nuclear program, destroying nuclear test sites. will ripply joins us now from north korea. first of all, when the news broke that president trump was pulling out of the summit you were actually the one to break the news to north korean
officials there. how did they react? how did that play out? >> reporter: we were on the train riding back from the nuclear test site, and it was late at night. we were actually getting ready to go to bed when i got the phone call. and look, it was incredibly awkward and uncomfortable. they didn't give me a response but they immediately got up and got on the phone and i assume were relaying the message up to the office of kim jong-un. i assumed we were the first ones to tell the message to the north koreans. when they came out with this more measured diplomatic response it shows the north koreans still want these talks to move forward despite some of the rhetoric in recent days. >> what were you able to see today? >> reporter: we were on the ground for more than nine hours. it was surprising. it took us more than 15 hours to get there, and they showed us each of the tunnels north korea has used to give up six nuclear
tests. they opened up the doors. we could see they were rigged with explosives as far as the eye could see. then we moved up to the ravine and watched them blow up the tunnels one by one. it was pretty dramatic images, but it was hard to know exactly what we were seeing, like how deep the explosions went, for example. >> there's no way, i guess, to verify the north korean claims that the tunnels are permanently unusable. >> reporter: that's right. because we didn't have any nuclear weapons experts in the group. they were not invited in. it was only journalists. and north koreans said, look, you've seen it with your own eyes. and our point was we saw explosions, but we don't know how it looks. could bulldozers go in and open it up tomorrow or is it really permanently -- there is some
skepticism from people because experts weren't invited it was really this step towards denuclearization with the north korea's claim it was. but for them to blow it up and then a couple minutes latthe sut was canceled, it was really a surreal moment. much more ahead on this. we're going to talk about the north korean response to the president's letter and what could happen next. sometimes a day at the ballpark is more than just a day at the ballpark. [park announcer] all military members stand and be recognized. sometimes fans cheer for those who wear a different uniform.
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korea? >> look, it's really interesting because those are the very words that the north korean vice minister who i met back in 2008 over the same kind of issue, he used those words. and he said those words were in response to as he called it a resistance to the u.s. as he said unacceptable and disgraceful attempt to pressure north korea into unilateral disarmament ahead of the summit. so that's obviously how they're seeing what was going on. and i've spoke to u.s. officials who have also been on this. and they said, look, frankly the cart was put in front of the horse from the beginning. that there were no parameters. the actual technical work had not been done to decide what were the red lines, what were the negotiations, what was the step by step process. so not enough work had been done
to have a summit between two leaders, between the president of the united states and the leader of north korea. >> do you think that played a big role? i mean in the administration, this was -- usually summits are started from the bottom up. there's a lot of groundwork that's done, a lot of meetings, weeks, months, if not years in some cases and the two leaders meet and shake hands and sign something. do you think it was partly that there were a lot of details to work out? >> certainly. we were not prepared to have this summit just a few weeks away. but i have to say i think kim jong-un was actually not planning to cancel the meeting by this statement that was made by his other deputy. they were actually trying to signal to washington they were very displeased about all this talk about libya which is nightmare scenario with libya. they didn't appreciate this talk, they weren't going to cave
to u.s. pressure. but i think they wanted this meeting, which is why north korea released a statement which is very measured, tempered and disciplined for north korean standards. so i think that message didn't come across to washington. we just thought they were being very aggressive. but north koreans were trying to send a signal and it was just lost in translation, the whole thing was. >> max, you tweeted about how president trump canceled the summit with quote, the kind of letter he would have written to a high school crush with whom he was breaking up. i take it you're not impressed with his style of diplomacy? >> this is just the latest episode of trump-style diplomacy. this comes after a few days of his attempts to reach a trade deal with china also crashed and burned. and he had to kind of admit that he hadn't achieved anything. he hadn't achieved $200 billion in reductions of the u.s. china trade deficit. and you see what happened in the case of north korea. he rushed into the summit with
no preparation without any kind of groundwork you need to lay for such an undertaking. and he hyped up expectation tuesday the ceiling. a month ago he said north korea was -- the white house was mintsi minting coins and all of a sudden over the last week or two things spiralled downward and they said, wait a second the north koreans are not actually going to denuclearize. so they rushed into the summit with high expectations and now has kind of backed out of it, which i think is the right thing to do at this point. but it just shows the same style he used in business, which by the way led him to six corporate bankruptcy, he's now applying to the business of the united states. >> do you see a scenario in which the summit does take place
whether it's on the original date or a later date some time this summer? >> look, it's hard to imagine it happening on the original date. but, again, many diplomats, people who have been working this issue for a long time, especially on the u.s. side, they do see both sides want to have a summit. it was clear from president trump's body language that he's pretty disappointed because of this and he also wanted this sort of historic summit and all the things that they've been saying that he wanted to take away from it. so it might happen some time down the line, but it's clear a huge amount of proper work needs to be done. however, there's also a bit of a problem brewing because what president trump has done similar to dissing his european allies at the last minute on iran. remember macron of france came to the united states, trying to persuade him that diplomacy was the right way to go with iran and to keep the deal. and the minute he's on a plane
back to france the president pulls out of that deal, similar with the south korean president who was in washington a couple of days ago basically as a u.s. official told me betting the farm on this diplomacy and being the intermediary, only to land back in seoul and find this whole rug has been pulled out from under him. so we're being told it's possible that the chinese may now step in and be the main mediators if you like. otherwise this may have given china a much bigger role than it might have had had if just been going between the u.s. and north and south korea. so we'll wait to see what happens. >> is this a win for kim jong-un even if the summit never happens simply by being legitimized by a sitting president and having a sitting president reach out to me and call me, that's something the north korean leadership has wanted for quite a while. >> no, absolutely.
and since the olympics and agreeing to meet with him, now kim jong-un has had a makeover and now he's had this statement. and he has actually loosened or weakened political will for sanctions when it comes to china. and he also put a wedge between u.s. and south korean alliances as christiane was just talking about. south korea was completely just floored by this, by trump just scrapping the meeting. when president moon was here he was assured this meeting would take place. kim has gained a lot here without even sitting down with president trump. >> what we're seeing, anderson, is better evidence that trump is better at breaking deals than making deals. he's pulled out the paris
climate accord, most recently the iran nuclear deal. he says he's the world's greatest deal maker. there's no evidence of that so far. is he going to negotiate a deal with iran? there doesn't seem to be a plan deal after pulling out of the iran nuclear deal, and now he negotiated those high hopes and maybe the summit will still take place at some point, but he's not living up to his hype as a deal maker. >> that's the thing about a summit between the dictator of north korea and the president of the united states, that would be perhaps in future administrations a reward for some sort of behavior change and action on the part of north korea, which it's sort of done backwards. >> it's backwards. and trump consistency shows his contempt for established norms and established way of doing things. he trusts his gut. he doesn't want to listen to advisers, read briefing players. clearly the evidence of his presidency he shows that's not the case. he's not reaching these great
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eight people called in, at least one with direct knowledge of his financial information, others dealing with social media, still others were associates of roger stone's when he was working on donald trump's presidential campaign. at a minimum, there's a lot of interest from mueller's team about roger stone, his finances and communications, which, of course, our experts say should be worrisome for roger stone. >> and is this connected to reported links between stone and wikileaks founder over the e-mail? >> he got a lot of scrutiny because during the 2016 presidential campaign he sent out tweets, made public statements that looked pretty pressy and made it look like he was essentially predicting what wikileaks was about to do next. stone denied he had any foreknowledge wikileaks would release hacked e-mails related to john podesta, who was then a clinton campaign staffer, but that certainly drew a lot of public scrutiny. we know mueller has been asking about that as well and may have put him on the radar in the
first place. >> what has stone said about all of this? >> stone has denied he had anything to do with the russian collusion, and he and his allies now believe essentially this is a witch-hunt to try to pin him on anything and bring down a long-time ally of the president. i will read a portion of the statement stone gave me where he said the special counsel now seems to be combing through every molecule of my existence including my personal life and business affairs to conjure up some offense to charge me with, either to silence me or induce me to testify against the president. stone insists he will never turn against for the president. as for the special counsel's team, they're not commenting. >> thanks very much. a lot more ahead including the briefing on the hill about the investigation. also, north korea responds to president trump calling off the summit. first, a preview of the cnn original series "1968," a special two-night event starting this sun at 9:00 p.m. eastern. take a look. ♪
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