paul, what does that look like in action? because i know you sort of sit at the fulcrum of peering over into two abysses, if you will. what does that sound like? i think that there is a core point, which is a lot of americans are up for grabs. i wouldn t dismiss it as just something only people on the right or watching fox news latch on to. we are in a battle for hearts and minds and people are on the fence. you got to have leaders and messages and messen gers and programs to get to those people that bring them over into community organizing and into non-profit organizations and away from the patriot front and oath keeperss. i think the parallels of 9/11 are important. we talked about this before. after 9/11, the laws didn t work. they made massive changes to respond to a new threat. i think we have to face the fact that many structures, laws and policies may not work. after 9/11 we created the department of homeland security.