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>> i believe that it might well indict the former president for obstruction, for espionage. this is all quite in part from a possible indictment for seditious conspiracy and insurrection. i mean, it is as though he is building a mow around mar-a-lago. he is then trying to swim in it himself. >> basically with every stroke he takes, with every move he makes he is digging himself deeper, deeper. he is -- you know, these lawyers must be absolutely beside themselves. he makes matters worse. he says ...

Gold. your strategic advantage. (music) visit goldhub.com. were back with our panel. mike, we are learned this week of another trump lawyer who refused to lie on behalf of trup. it is a pattern of obstruction since the earlier days. how closely are you watching the obstruction investigation. >> well, in terms of the lawyers as witnesses, we sometime just a few weeks ago were writing about this. and we were debating how to tell the story. and we said to ourselves that there have been something ...

Adequately defend your client. but you do not think they are going to take it up. and it doesnt really change anything for trump. im just -- you know -- >> so, to answer your question, they do not want to commit whether or not the president had the power to declassify, whether he did declassify. they want to see the documents. so that they then are not boxed in as advocates, so they can be flexible near position. don, if the former president is charged in my view, it will not be over these diffe...

Joining us now is charlie savage, new york time national security and legal reporter. charlie, thank you for being here tonight. i need you to help me understand exactly what can happen to these classified documents. as they pertain to the justice department. if the supreme -- talk to me about the imports here in terms of the departments investigation and what trump is trying to do. >> sure. so the status quo right now after the appeals court intervention to remove these documents from the speci...

Charged, in my view it will not be over these different technical statutes. whether or not he had the power to declassify. if he is charged, on anything coming out of mar-a-lago and its a big of. it will be an obstruction case. and that is obstruction of the grand jury. obstruction of what the fbi is doing. that is what this is going to be all about. >> got it. you heard which onset, right. john doesnt believe the courts going to take it up but lets say the court does take it up. and giggles. so...

Others to make a false statement. that would be, sort of an accessory to the fall statement. but also, donald trump was aware that there was a federal investigation going on that federal discussion was fairly likely. then also could be obstruction of this. keep in, mind these are very closely related and in some instances the exact time the doj cited when they went to a judge to get that search warrant, and august. so, it seems like doj is thinking all these lines as well. >> elie honig, thank y...

Trump told me to do, it and moreover its prohibitive in and of itself, that the guy doesnt want to sign. it why not? what made you think that about the former president and the like? so its really the most direct of evidence on the most serious charge. that been obstruction. remember, the charges are he took them, but he kept them knowing that there was an investigation. on that latter charge, those, lawyer alex cannons evidence should be gangbusters. >> okay, so then knowing all of this, harry,...

Rare in our judicial system. its been over a decade since doj has charged them. and what different 88s them from other champs weve seen primarily is the use of force. theres really three parts of the crime here. conspiracy which is jut an agreement between two or more people to obstruct congress and weve seen obstruction of congress elsewhere, meaning to block them of electoral votes but in seditious conspiracy you have to use force. in my view, the evidence is quite strong. if you look at the i...

I guess. he physically put together those boxes according to this reporting of documents. so somebody, and if you follow those reporting, somebody said these 15 boxes we are going to get back to the archives. what you heard in that is not the rest of these documents. not the other documents that were made of mar-a-lago. until doj gets involved. so, that shows me some intentionality here by donald trump. some conscious decision making. give them these documents, but not those. >> the post is also...

President actually wanted this lawyer to tell the archives that he had, again, handed over everything. he had suggested a certain statement, and again, this lawyer refused to do so. >> jackie, tell us a little bit more about alex cannon, we know the attorney who decided not to follow the presidents orders. has he been interviewed by the january 6th committee. per his reporting, if trump is telling him to lie, that indicates obstruction, no? >> those are all very good questions and points, john. ...