e-mails. and then the letters comey sent to the hill, one saying we found more e-mails on anthony weiner's laptop that could be pertinent to our investigation, we need to look at those, and then his follow-up letter a few days before the election in which he said, we've done that review and we haven't had anything. hillary clinton herself has said she thinks that first letter in late october changed the course of the election. so, the inspector general is going to look at that and a couple of ancillary things. there have been allegations that an fbi deputy director should have taken himself off part of this case because of some connections to the campaign or his wife's connections to the political -- to politics in virginia. some allegations that an assistant attorney general for legislative affairs passed information along to the clinton campaign, and other employees disclosed nonpublic information. the foeklecal point is the two actions by the fbi director, the letter to the hill in late
october and november. >> thanks so much. former clinton campaign senior adviser joel benenson weighing in on today's news of the inspector general review. here's what he told my colleague katie can tur a few minutes ago. >> the real question here, is it appropriate for the fbi and the fbi watchdog to investigate behavior they think violated fbi practices in the course of conducting investigations and engaging in public conversation about that? i think that's appropriate. no one's trying to get a do-over in the election. that's not going to happen. nobody says it's going to happen. but when public officials abuse or potentially abuse their authority and their office, that investigation -- there's not a statute of limitations that says when the election is over we're not going to go back and look at the behavior of a prosecutor who was advised not to do this 11 days out, who was criticized by former fbi professionals from both parties for doing so, to look into that. >> for more on all this, i want to bring in stanley pottenger,
former civil rights attorney at the department of justice. thank you for coming in in a hurry. i know you had to rush to get here. let's talk about the reaction. we just heard joel benenson. we actually heard from republican congressman jason chaffetz say he supports this investigation. you served at the justice department. first of all, are you surprised the inspector general would get involved or does this seem seem, in your view, an appropriate use of time? >> yes, it's unusual. but the entire episode he's investigating is unusual. the thing pete williams talked about is the thing to keep in mind. are you investigating the substance and the prosecutorial, the answer is no, apparently. or are you talking about how it was handled, the publication of documents. that is appropriate for the i.g., the inspector general to use. apparently, that's what he's going to focus on. >> what he's focused in part on
carefully. i would not be surprised if you find that james comey defends his position pretty effectively. >> the inspector general right now, i don't know if you know him, a man named michael horowitz, started as assistant attorney in new york, moved to the department of justice. many years in doj. in 2012 he becomes the i.g. he's appointed by the president, president obama. it's my understanding, is it a ten-year term for the inspector general? i think that's right. >> it may be. i know there's a ten-year term for the director of the fbi. typically there are very few ten-year terms. this could be. >> we'll check that. my question was going to be, what happens now? so, donald trump, takes office next week. he can replace this inspector general or is he going to continue with this investigation no matter what? >> if he has a ten-year term, he can only be replaced for cause. there's no indication there is cause. if he doesn't have a ten-year term, he will be replaced. the new attorney general,
presumably jeff sessions, will have to decide, does he continue it with the existing staff, shut it down or change it? that's why we have more questions right now than answers. >> in terms of how quickly all of this could play out and whether -- let's assume he stays on this investigation, the inspector general, what he does, what are the possibilities in terms of reprimand, punishment? i mean, what can happen with an i.g. report? >> that's a really good question. the answer is very little because the -- he's investigating the people who actually do the prosecuting. it isn't likely they're going to turn around and prosecute themselves if he recommended there was something. the truth is, i don't think he's looking a prosecutal crime. he's looking as who the department and then presumably the public and press what happened. that means what he's doing is basically a report to the public about what happened, but not something that will involve criminal prosecution. >> joel benenson said last hour that he doesn't think any of
this will impact what happened. i mean, the past is past. the election is over. i want to play some sound, though, if i can, from hillary clinton. this is at a party with donors. she was talking about the impact she believes that comey's letter made right before the elections. take a listen. >>. >> don't take it from me, take it from independent analysts, take it from the trump campaign, take it from nate silver who's point out that swing state voters made their decisions in the final days breaking against me because of the fbi letter from director comey, and nate silver believes, i happen to believe this, that that letter most likely made the difference in the outcome. >> again, this investigation does not look at that. pete williams said it's not going to look at whether everything that happened impacted the election or not. in your view, as former assistant attorney general, do you think it? >> you said the election's over.
apparently it's not over. >> everybody is talking about it. >> until the 20th, news will start to turn to events instead of speculation. don't think it will make much difference. i was sorry she cited nate silver. i like him. i read it. he missed it. he missed this elections. he missed brexit. he doesn't have a record right now that says his polling is hitting the buttons. i'm want sure that helped her make that claim. now, do i make her for making that claim? not at all. you know, she's handling this as well as she can having lost a -- surprisingly lost the election n her view. i don't think it will make a difference by the time this is over. >> in terms of the new investigation? >> yeah. i think we'll learn something more but we have this big flip-flop. you remember in the summer everyone was singing the praises of jim comey because he had exonerated -- >> republicans. >> republicans were mad. >> excuse me, democrats.
democrats were singing praises. >> right. then when he lost, democrats were furious with him. i think the american public understands that to some extent our perspective is warped by the results we want. that's true for both sides, democrats and republicans. >> thank you for your analysis. thank you for coming in quickly, former assistant attorney general. almost promoted you. in the civil rights division of the department of justice. nice to have you. turning now to the current commander in chief, president obama and a parting tribute for vice president joe biden scheduled for this hour. nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing is live at the white house. chris, i said the words, so now we can say this is happening, but all day we've been waiting because it seemed like it was a bit of a surprise for joe biden? >> reporter: yeah it's supposed to be a secret, is what we're told. it's hard to imagine how within those walls and given the small number of people who were involved in the planning of this that joe biden doesn't suspect something. already people are gathering there. we are told that those seats are
being reserved for family, for friends. chris dodd, the former senator from connecticut has been spotted. you can bet there will be dignitaries there as well as as well, not the least of whom will be the president, mrs. obama and, of course, vice president biden and his wife jill. this is something that is sort of a story many people have found to be tremendously unexpected. these two men who would seem to be so very different, who came so very close over the course of the last eight years when they have served together. they ran against each other in 2007. generations apart. first-term senator from illinois and a senator for, i think, it was, seven terms, six youngest when he came in in 1972, joe biden was from delaware. he left to be the fourth most senior senator. when he said he would do this. when he said, i'll become your vice president. the only ask he this is i wanted
to be the last guy in the room. he didn't want to be one of those vice presidents who was merely ceremonial. and pretty much, he says, the president kept his word. he relied on him pretty heavily, we're told, for that first term for his foreign policy expertise. he was chairman of the foreign relations committee for a time, he was chairman for a time of the senate judiciary committee. but it's not just policy where we have seen all those pictures of them huddled in the oval office. they have become just really good friends. in fact, the way "time" magazine put it was, the great american broman krechlt. not just a bromance, but the great american bromance. there have been plenty of photos and videos of them, everything from running down the halls of the white house. no one quite knew what they were running to, to some of the most emotional times they've ever had. it was the president who delivered the eulogy at the
funeral of joe biden's son, beau. they were together in the rose garden when joe biden announced he would not run against hillary clinton for president of the united states. a very close friendship, not just between these two men, but between their families as well. they've spent a tremendous amount of personal time together. in is a time for the president to say thank you, to say more about what vie presidece presid meant to him. he had a chance to start that at the farewell address, calling out the scrappy kid from scranton who became delaware's favorite son and drawing who is familiar who follows joe biden, that air gun he gave in that moment, but we're expecting a tribute and an emotional time for everyone who was involved, as we have seen many members of the white house staff and the president and first lady, vice president and dr. jill biden as well acknowledging that it's
become much more emotional to them as their last days near. >> chris, if anyone saw that andrea mitchell interview a couple hours ago on her program, the emotion was right there, as joe biden -- she spoke with joe biden and the vice president expressed his love, he called it love, for president obama. again, what we're waiting for right now is we think a surprise for the vice president. although hard to know if he really could -- if it could be kept quiet in the white house. but it is president obama who will be basically hosting a farewell for vice president biden. if i can ask, we know a little bit -- i know a little bit has been reported about joe biden's next move and his plans after the white house, after being vice president. i read he'll be working with a couple universities. what more do we know? >> reporter: he said he's been made a lot of different ofrsz. it's interesting. he seems to be in the same head space as a lot of the senior staff. i know people don't necessarily
believe this, that the president, the first lady, the vice president, all these members of the senior staff, jill biden as well, haven't had a tremendous amount of time to lay down in stone exactly what they're going to do. obviously, when you have come from this stage, the world is your oyster. joe biden is very open about this, his goal for many, many years, for decades, really, was to become president of the united states. that does seem to be behind him at age 73 now, but he is going to do some teaching. as he and others have said, they're going to do a little bit of sleeping. something they are very much looking forward to do. spending time with his family. you know, he did go back -- throw himself back into work after the death of his son, beau. he was out for a while but has been really key for a lot of the issues that have come up in this last year or so of this administration. he's continued to work very hard.
so, there's some time for him to spend with his family, with jill biden. you know, when you think about where he came from, again, you know, for somebody with a long career in the senate and how different they were, somebody with that experience coming into politics as opposed to barack obama, who comparatively was a relative newcomer and people who seemed to have very different approaches to things. the fact they have become so close, i would not rule out -- i've had some conversations about this, but i would not rule out the possibility you will see him and barack obama working together on some of the initiatives that eventually are decided upon by this president, where he wants to have influence moving forward. it's not as if a key is going to turn, another family will move into the white house and these folks are going to scatter to the wind. many of the senior officials will continue to work with obama, either on private staff or as part of his library
foundation. those things haven't been announced yet but they will happen. i think there's going to be a long time for joe biden to continue in some way in a different kind of public service, kate. >> chris, stay there. don't move. i want to bring in also lynn sweet, washington bureau chief at the chicago sun "times," that being the president's sort of adopted hometown newspaper. nice to see you. how are you? >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. as we wait and look at this room where we expect the president to come out, and we're not quite sure what to expect, but we have been told by the pool note that it will be in honor of joe biden. talk about -- lynn, talk about their relationship and talk about what you think we might hear out of the president. >> well, the relationship really started in iowa when they were running against each other in that democratic primary. and it was not a hard decision in the end for the obama team to select biden as vice
presidential candidate. the announcement was made in springfield, illinois, where obama had kicked off his campaign. and the relationship not only between the president and vice president, but between dr. jill biden and first lady michelle obama has also rypiened through the years, too. they've worked on their joining forces initiative. i'm sure they will chris kroris all four of them, throughout their lives. not only with biden with his cancer moonwalk and the various enterprises. i would bet there will be a lot of humor, a little ribbing, a little, you know, this isn't a towel snap sort of joking, but those two -- right, chris, they have a little bit of a schtick when they're together? >> chris, we haven't gotten any word on timing. we were told 3:00. but there was a lot of secrecy around this whole event. >> reporter: then we got 15
minutes late. i don't know what's going on behind the scenes. i keep checking my iphone. there is this sort of ribbing that goes on. when you look at some of the memes of them together, the pictures of them together, there are a lot of pictures that pete sousa and other white house photographers have taken where it seems like they're holding hands, where they're laughing. they love to laugh together. they've had a lot of light moments ago. and they're also -- both can, as we've seen, you mentioned the andrea mitchell interview with vice president biden and the president in chicago, they can also get emotional. we'll watch for that. >> very clearly, you know, the yin and yang, mr. cool and mr. emotional, that's been fascinating to see how that goes because joe biden is someone who wraps someone he barely knows into a bear hug. when you think of it, we couldn't have -- we couldn't have done a formula of two men
who have gotten along better. i think the age difference has helped, too. i think the idea that biden knows what it takes to run for president and he knows the senate and he knows foreign policy. so, he came in with the skill set, very helpful to the president. >> thank you, both, for waiting with us here. i apologize. i thought my mike was down and i was speaking over you guys. apologies for that. i want to take a quick break, ask lynn and chris jansing to stand by with us. the white house running a little behind schedule. we're waiting for this big event for joe biden, to honor joe biden, being led, we understand, by president obama. so, as we wait for that, we'll take a break. want to bring you one little piece of news before we go to break. the senate, the full senate has just voted to allow a waiver for mattis, general mattis, who has now been nominated, of course, for department of defense secretary. he had to get a waiver because it's so recently he left the military, the senate had to approve of him having the
potential for being department of defense secretary so soon after leaving the military. that has just happened. that vote just took place in the senate. it was approved. it doesn't mean he's now the secretary. it means he can be. and they can vote on that later. we'll take a quick break and we'll be right back. ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.
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so, let me first ask, any reaction at all from the trump cache ca camp to this? >> nothing yet. i just checked his twitter feed during the break sure. wouldn't be surprised if he would react later today. we reached out to transition officials and yet to hear from them. we'll pass that on as soon as we get it. bottom line, in the waning weeks before the election, before this case was, in effect, revisited by the fbi, before that announcement on october 28th, donald trump basically said he wants to investigate the investigation. he called it collusion and corruption of the highest order. said it was a disgrace. of course, his position changed late in october. i was with him just as that announcement was made. he was in manchester, new hampshire, at the time. it was almost as if the cork on a bottle of champagne just popped. the room went nuts when he said it. he started his remarks saying there was critical breaking news he wanted to announce. in the days, he's part of the way he recast his view of fbi
director james comey. take a listen. >> i have to give the fbi credit. that was so bad what happened originally. it took guts for director comey to make the move that he made in light of the kind of opposition he had where they're trying to protect her from criminal prosecution. you know that. it took a lot of guts. i really disagreed with him. i was not his fan. i tell you what, he brought back his reputation. he brought it back. he's got to hang tough because there's a lot of -- a lot of people want him to do the wrong thing. what he did was the right thing. >> bottom line is we've heard nothing new from donald trump about the inspector general from the doj saying they're going to open up a review into the handling of this situation here. what's notable is in the days after he was elected, donald trump on "60 minutes" and elsewhere was asked whether or
not he thought james comey should keep that position, whether he would ask him to resign his position as director of fbi and he said he hadn't made up his mind yet on that issue. >> pete alexander following that for us. thank you so much. president-elect trump's pick for cia director, mike pompeo, was on the hill today for his confirmation hearing. one of three hearings that happened today. nbc news intelligence reporter joins us for more on that. we had simultaneously three hearings going on. what were the fireworks? what were the headlines out of pompeo? >> pompeo was very polished. kind of a love fest. he's a former trial lawyer, former army officer. he did very well. but he, without hesitation, endorsed the findings by the u.s. intelligence community that russia was behind the hacking, which trump has had trouble doing, president-elect trump. and he said that if ordered to engage in torture, he would refuse such an order. he's one of several nominees who
have said that, even though donald trump during the campaign talked about wanting to waterboard. none of the people who work for him say that's legal. >> that's interesting. potentially a split with his own boss. >> exactly. >> in terms of other headlines out of it or anything -- i moon, you said it was -- it went fairly well for him. is there a sense this committee will approve him or was there any glaring, obvious senator saying, i've got concerns? >> no, nobody expressing concerns about his nomination. he was asked about this dossier that everyone's asking about. you know, unverified information damaging to donald trump. if there was something worth investigating, would he follow those leads? would the cia under mike pompeo investigate those things? he promised, yes, they would. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. we're continuing to wait that -- that shot in the bottom right corner of your screen is the white house. that is the state dining room. that's where we expect president obama, we expected him about 15
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could have defeated donald trump. could joe biden have defeated donald trump? >> oh, i don't know. i don't know. i don't want to speculate on that. >> reporter: in your heart of hearts, the criticism is there was a lack of an economic message. that's your ballpark. pennsylvania, the rust belt. >> look, i don't -- >> reporter: regrets? >> no, no. look, i -- you're -- i'm about to hurt your reputation, you're a friend. but i know my family. you know of my relationships with my family. and i just wasn't prepared to do it after i lost my son. and so, i -- i have no regret in the sense that did i make the wrong decision. i made the right decision. and but do i regret that my point of view is not going to be reflected in the next administration because we have mr. trump? yeah, i do regret that. >> one of the big issues is, he said, drain the swamp. now, he is -- yesterday he
repeated that he is not going to release his taxes ever and says he doesn't need a blind trust. he's going to just turn it over to the sons. has he done enough, the government of ethics, which is nonpartisan, says what he's done is meaningless. >> i don't think he's done enough and he may sink in the swamp. if you don't drain it, you sink in it. look -- >> reporter: look, you're one of the -- with all due respects, sir, one of the poorest guy to ever emerge, got a house, i don't know what other assets you have. can you -- he said he could run his business as well as run the government. the laws -- >> no doubt that he could, but you shouldn't run both. are you going to be president or are you going to be a businessman? you don't do both. he ran for the most coveted
office in the world. the most important office in the world. the thing that the american public looks to most for their security, opportunity, guarantees, focus on your job. that's the job. i found it bizarre to talk about, well, i could have made a $2 billion deal, i could have done both, but i decided not to. as if you're doing me a favor -- mean, the country a favor. i just think it's -- look, this is a place where the public's going to decide whether or not the failure to divest, the failure to meet what were considered to be the basic minimum ethical standards of disclosure, and if the public turns around and 50% say, no problem, or if 80% say, this is a big problem, that's the only thing that will alter the outcome. >> andrea mitchell joins me now.
andre andrea, congratulations. it covered so much ground, i don't know where to begin, as we wait for this event to start at the white house. i thought some of the most touching moments of the interview was towards the end when you asked him to reflect back on his career and how he got started. and you know, the terrible hardship he suffered as he was starting his senate career. >> the fact when he start his senate career, he had not been sworn in. when his wife and child were killed in a car crash, his two boys were injured as toddlers, and he was bereft, deciding to stay home with his children in delaware and not be sworn in. he said he was surrounded by the support of republican and democratic leaders, mike mansfield was one, i know, who persuaded him he had to do this and his sister, frankly, stepped in and mothered the children and he commuted for his entire career, commuting daily back to delaware, you know, the amtrak senator. but the fact is, this is a long
career and one with a lot of ups and downs, and obviously the tragedy of beau biden. he said he had no regrets about the decision not to run for president. the fact was he knew with his family that that was the right decision for him at the time. he wouldn't discuss whether he could have defeated donald trump as president obama opined that he could have defeated trump. obviously, a reflection on hillary clinton. he wasn't going to go there. but he did talk a lot, defending the intelligence community, saying that what they had been told by the intelligence community was that they included that basically unvetted smear campaign, the opposition research, the two-page synopsis of that as a separate item in the briefing materials for both the president, the vice president and also for donald trump, controversily, that they did it -- they told -- he said, we asked them, why did they do it? i'm not sure if you played that part of it. he said they told them that they thought they would have been derelict in their duties since
it was in the press, bei ining circulated. a lot of people in washington had seen it, as well as abroad. there could be impacts on foreign policy if that information came out unvetted. >> we did not have a chance to air that part of it just now. to me, that sounded like some of the most newsy part of the interview, andrea, because we hadn't had anyone plain why that wasn't included in the briefing to begin with. >> i think that's likely what general clapper, what the dni clapper said to donald trump last night in that conversation. >> right. let me ask about his future. and this idea of a cancer moonshot. i know you asked him about that. what's your sense -- is he going to ease into retirement and dabble into that or is he full -- is he going to be working full overtime on that? >> he's all in. he said he is going to be doing foreign policy at the university
of pennsylvania. there hasn't been a formal announcement but it was overheard saying that on c-span and teaching at university of delaware, his alma mater. he has a lot to look forward to. it is the end of this chapter of public service at his age. you saw the younger generation, cory can booker in what he did at an unprecedented way, a lot of people in washington are saying that's the opening of of the 2020 democratic primary campaign. so, you've got the next generation already looking at what comes next. but there is going to be a lot more from joe biden. as from president obama, he said, i'm going to be with you every day. i'll be with you as citizen in his farewell address. i asked him how president obama had described joe biden as his brother and he said, i don't just like the guy, i love the guy. we are family. and then he said that michelle obama is the finest first lady
in american history. now, there's obviously -- you know, he said, we've had a lot of fine first ladies but she is the greatest one in history, which obviously that is a reflection on the other first lady who just ran for president. >> as we watch this room, i can't help but wondering what was happening behind closed doors because this was supposed to be a surprise that was supposed to happen about 40 minutes. the white house state dining room where we think we'll see president obama come out and deliver some kind of tribute to joe biden. as we wait, if we have a couple more minutes because we haven't gotten any guidance from the white house, can i ask you about the news breaking. about the inspector general who says he's going to launch an investigation into parts of the way that the clinton e-mail investigation was handled by the fbi and by the department of justice. you covered the clinton campaign. we've had a couple of clinton former aides on with us saying
they welcome this decision. they must be elated that at least someone's looking at what happened. >> elated but, of course, there's still a lot of anger and resentment. they, of course, hillary and bill clinton do blame fbi director james comey for the timing of that letter, both letters. the one reopening the issue 11 days before the election and the one two days before the election, clearing her. not really reopening the investigation. in fact, it was technically never reopened. just reopening the issue. and they do blame him. but this is also going to be looking into what loretta lynch did with bill clinton and trying to clear up that 35-minute conversation on a plane in phoenix. she regrets it. she thought it was going to be a hello. once bill clinton sat down, they claim about golf and grandchildren, nobody substantive, it did mean she was recusing himself, taking herself out of the operational decision-making about the clinton investigation.
that gave james comey a great deal more prominence, leverage, decision-making. all of this will be looked at by the independent watchdog, the i.g. depending on the findings, and obviously it's too soon to discuss what the findings r but nothing was going to change the election. that's a done deal. is there are legal implications and ethical implications and there could be a slap on the wrist if anyone behaved badly or even more strongly if there is something behind the scenes that we don't know about. but this would be the first inquiry into what happened. for the clintons to be blaming comey and all of that is controversial because there's a lot of other issues out there. other democrats saying, you can't pin it on just one thing. was it vladimir putin? was it wikileaks? you know, the hacking. was it original the decision to have a private server, which clouded the first months of her campaign and then all the way
through? her response to that decision rather than dealing with it quickly and not apologizing from march until september. we didn't hear her say she was sorry about it. so, all of that could have had an impact, the lack of an economic message, some have said, the failure to go to wisconsin, failure to campaign more aggressively in other parts of michigan and in pennsylvania. other decisions that they made, polling and speechwriting decisions, spending so much time on debate preparation rather than on retail politics. the fact that the news media, as joe biden said to me today, focused so intensively on things that sounded a lot more exciting, like, you know, whether someone had been groped rather than on hillary clinton's college tuition plan, you know, the failure to cover issues substantively in a lot of media, the access that donald trump had during the primaries to, you know, live coverage of his rallies that other candidates
didn't can, so many factors went into, it i don't think we'll know what influenced the campaign. >> andrea mitchell on such a busy hat. i appreciate that. we got word while andrea was talking, we got word from the white house that any minute president obama is expected to appear in that room. we were going to try to fit in a commercial, but we're not going to do that because we're afraid we'll miss it if we go to break. sasha and malia, obama, i understand, just walked in and have been seated in the room. we believe michelle obama will be there as well as dr. jill biden. again, this, if you're just joining us, is billed as a tribute to joe biden, led by the president. we have been guided earlier that this might be a surprise for joe biden. we're not quite sure what we're going to see here, but that makes it even more fun. chris jansing remains with us on the white house lawn. chris, if we see the president coming, we'll pause.
any guidance at all about why today and what this marks? >> reporter: no. we asked the question repeatedly, but clearly this is something that is highly unusual but really speaks to the relationship between these two men that is far beyond professional but personal. the fact sasha and malia are there. they don't do a lot of public events. they've become friendly not just with the bidens but their children and grandchildren. when they talk about family, they mean it. and thunk aboink about in the f his farewell speech in chicago on tuesday, the president mentioned only by name his immediate family and joe biden. think about the moments when you -- think about that iconic picture in the situation room when osama bin laden was gotten, who was sitting next to the president of the united states, joe biden. so, this tribute to him is something special. we don't know that -- obviously, he knows there is something going to happen. maybe it is something within
this event, we were speculating s there some sort of special award that could be given to him. will there be surprises in terms of the people who are there. i can tell you this white house has kept a very tight lid on it. >> you were mentioning -- lynn sweet it-s with us in washington but she's with "the chicago tribune" -- >> "sun-times". >> forgive me. we'll talk with you right after the event. let's observe what happens here. [ applause ] >> ladies and gentlemen, the president and vice president of the united states. [ applause ]
[ applause ] [ applause ] >> don't want to embarrass the guy.
welcome to the white house, everybody. as i have already delivered my farewell address, i will try to be relatively brief. but i just wanted get some folks together to pay tribute to somebody who has not only been by my side for the duration of this amazing journey but somebody who has devoted his entire professional life to service to this country. the best vice president america has ever had, mr. joe biden. [ applause ] >> this also gives the internet one last chance to talk about our bromance. [ laughter ]
>> this has been quite a ride. it was eight and a half years ago that i chose joe to be my vice president. >> this is somebody -- the people of delaware sent to the senate as quickly as they possibly could. elected at age 29. for more than a dozen years apiece, he served as chair or ranking member of the judiciary and foreign relations committees. domestically championed landmark legislation to make our communities safer, to protect our women from violence.
internationally his wisdom and capacity to build relationships has shaped our nation's response to the fall of the berlin wall and the iron curtain. to counter-terrorism, iraq, afghanistan. and for the past eight years he could not have been a more devoted or effective partner in the progress that we have made. he fought to make college more affordable and revitalize american manufacturing as the head of our middle-class task force. he suited up for our cancer moon shot, giving home to millions of americans touched by this disease. he led our efforts to combat gun violence, and he rooted out any possible misappropriations that might have occurred, and as a consequence, the recovery act worked as well as just about any large-scale stimulus project has ever worked in this country.
he visited college after college and made friends with lady gaga for our "it's on us" campaign against campus sexual assault. when the pope visited joe was even kind enough to let me talk to the holiness as well. [ laughter ] behind the scenes, joe's candid, honest counsel has made me a better president and a better commander in chief. from the situation room to our weekly lunches to our huddles after everybody else has cleared out of the room, he has been unafraid to give it to me straight, even if we disagree. in fact, especially when we disagree. and all of this makes him, i believe, the finest vice president we have ever seen. and i also think he has been a lion of american history. the best part is, he is nowhere close to finished. in the years ahead, as a
citizen, he will continue to build on that legacy internationally and domestically. he has got a voice of vision and reason and optimism and love for people, and we're going to need that spirit and that vision as we continue to try to make our world safer, and to make sure that everybody has got a fair shot in this country. so, all told, that's a pretty remarkable legacy. an amazing career in public service. it is, as joe once said, a big deal. [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> it is! [ applause ] >> but, we all know that, on its own, his work, this list of
accomplishments, the amazing resume, does not capture of the full measure of joe biden. i have not mentioned amtrak yet or aviators, literally. [ laughter ] >> folks don't just feel like they know joe the politician, they feel like they know the person. what makes him laugh, what he believes, what he cares about, where he came from. pretty much every time he speaks, he treats us to some wisdom from the nuns who have taught him in grade school or an old senate colleague, but of course most frequently cited, catherine and joseph sr., his mom and dad. no one is better than you, but you're better than nobody! bravery resides in every heart and yours is fierce and clear.
when you get knocked down, joey, get up! get up! [ laughter ] get up! [ applause ] that's where he got those broad shoulders and that biden heart. through his life, through trial after trial, he has never once forgotten the values and the moral fiber that made him who he is. that's what steels his faith in god and in america and in his friends and in all of us. when joe talks to auto workers whose livelihoods he helped save we hear the son of a man who once knew the pain of telling his kids he lost his job. when joe talks about hope and opportunity for our children, we heard the father who rode the
rails home every night to talk his kids into bed. when he sticks up for the little guy we hear the young boy who stood in front of the mirror. studying the muscles in his face determined to advantavanquish t stutter. we hear a kindred spirit, another father of an american veteran, someone whose faith has been tested and has been forced to wander through the darkness himself and who knows who to lean on to find the light. so that's joe biden, a resilient and loyal and humble servant. and a patriot. but most of all a family man. starts with jill. captain of the vice squad. [ laughter ] >> the -- only the second lady in our history to keep her regular day job. [ cheers and applause ]
>> jill says teaching isn't what she does, it's who she is. a few days after joe and i were inaugurated in 2009 she was back in the classroom teaching. that's why, when our administration worked to strengthen community colleges, we looked to jill to lead the way. she has also travelled the world to boost education and empowerment for women, and as a blue star mom, her work with michelle to honor our military families will go down in history as one of the most lasting and powerful efforts of this administration. of course, like joe, jill's work is only part of the story. she just seems to walk this earth so lightly, spreads her joy so freely. she reminds us that, although we
are in a serious business, we don't have to take ourselves too seriously. she is quick with a laugh or practical joke, disguising herself as a server at a party she once hosted to lighten the mood. she once hid in the overhead compartment of air force two to scare the senior staff. [ laughter ] >> because why not! she seems to have a sixth sense of when to send a note of encouragement to a friend or a staffer, a simple thank you or a box of macaroons. she is one of the best, most genuine people i've met not just in politics but in my entire life. she is grounded. generous, caring and funny. that's why joe is proud to introduce himself as jill biden's husband. to see them together is to see what real love looks like. through thick and thin, good times and bad. it's an all-american love story.
we will see you back here in an hour. "outnumbered" search right now >> sandra: a big test for republicans on capitol hill today where the house right now is debating. the revamped bill to repeal and replace obamacare, i have a vote, expected in the next hour. this may be a nail-biter, but republicans believe they can pull out a win and deliver on a top priority for president trump. this is "outnumbered." i'm sandra smith. here today, harris faulkner, meghan mccain, former deputy spokesperson for the state department under president obama, marie harper, and today's #oneluckyguy, the opinion page editor for "the washington times," charlie hurt is here and he is outnumbered on a seriously busy news day. let's get started. the magic number, 216. that's how many votes republicans need to send the replacement for obamacare to the
yes, it's gone through. that doesn't mean when the bill gets to the senate it's going to be complete they gutted. >> sandra: republicans could claim victory here. you have the $8 billions added to the bill yesterday. that's when a couple no votes to yes. they can at least claim victory if this passes in the house. >> marie: here's what should be concerning. independent experts who have seen part of this bill have said this bill will still drive up premiums, it will stemming people's coverage. pre-existing conditions will not be covered like they are now, and when tom price goes out there and says all these things that everyone else is saying aren't true, that's a huge gamble with people's lives and what politics going into 2018. republicans are doing exactly what they accused us of doing in 2010. they're pushing a bill through very fast, no cbo score.
>> charlie: absolutely. again, this is where my primary objection is. i don't support any obamacare or obamacare lite. the federal government does do a good job of running the post office. if they are going to come up with something, i want all 435 to be working on it. i'm not going to like what they come up with no matter what. >> harris: where are they? >> marie: part of the problem is the g.o.p. did not post the bill until 8:00 p.m. last night. the g.o.p. in 2010 said as nancy pelosi going to vote so what on something without seeing it? what's the rush? calm down, bring on the democrats, show us the bill, talk to these high-risk pools who have had some issues. if you want democrats involved, takes up to show that. >> meghan: they don't want democrats involved.
replacing, which is possibly an option and was probably going to happen. >> sandra: this debate is happening right now. pictures on capitol hill. charlie, can you walk us through what you'll be watching? >> charlie: as you pointed out earlier, 216 is a number we are looking for. it is going to be a nail-biter. going back to your point about regular order, which i would say didn't do this in regular order. if democrats -- republicans are laying democrats off the hook for this disaster. that troubles me. what i would find very interesting is if this were going through more regular order, whether democrats -- i don't think they would, whether they could form an absolute -- >> harris: republicans would have to lose 21 votes. that's a lot.
democrats don't like walls, that would create a wall. >> sandra: just moments ago, president trump, as you saw, signing an executive order on religious liberty which relaxes rules against churches that promote portable candidates. whether this went for social conservatives can hold up in court. plus you may be surprised, hillary clinton after blaming james comey and wikileaks were her election loss. the latest fallout. and go to our live chat by clicking the overtime tab at foxnews.com/outnumbered or go to facebook.com/outnumbered fnc. of course you can also tweet us, we've got our phones. >> meghan: marie has an announcement coming. you don't let anything
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of course, goes on to the senate. we will keep a close watch on i it. moments ago, president trump signed an executive order on religious liberty while marking the national day of prayer at the white house joined by vice president pence and religious leaders. the order he signed aims to relax rules on churches so they can support political candidates without risking losing their tax-exempt status. and it also pushes to make it easier for employers with religious objections to include birth control from the health care plan. watch. >> will not allow people of faith to be targeted, bullied, or silenced anymore. we will never, ever stand for religious discrimination, never, ever.
tolerance is the cornerstone of peace. >> harris: liberal critics are already pouncing, alleging that the executive order would allow discrimination. an aclu official is warning and he actually asserted this yesterday, if present from signs an executive order that attempts to provide a license to discriminate against women or lgbt people, we will see him in court. we can get to that in a moment, but charlie, i wanted to start at the beginning of what the president said he was wanting to do today and i was make a difference. social conservatives, did they check this as a victory? >> charlie: i think is a huge victory. the johnson amendment is one of these arcane laws that is not often enforced by the irs that punishes churches, people who have tax-exempt status if they stray into politics.
the problem with little enforced laws like this is that people were most concerned about following the law are the only ones actually abide by the law. then it gets very loosey-goosey on the edges. this is something that has scorched social conservatives for a long time. it is very interesting. donald trump is on a big gunner. he has guns, but he's not a hunter or anything, and he's not exactly a bible belt politician, but he made promises to those groups in the campaign and democrats did everything they could to separate those people from donald trump, he's not one of them, but they think he'll stick out for them. >> harris: look at the nara last week. the very early supporters among the most staunch supporters of this president. marie, some of the criticism has been that this will hold up legally and there'll be a backlash, talk to me. >> marie: i do think there may
be some legal challenges. we've seen with the hobby lobby decision, particularly women, health care and birth control, that is an issue that will be challenged. i met a lawyer, i don't know how that will turn out. i'm concerned about it and it will be interesting to see how it plays out in the courts. for me, i'm more fundamentally uncomfortable with it because i do want to keep politics away from church. i don't need more politics in my life. i don't need to come in on sunday morning and i'm uncomfortable with the notion that religious organizations endorsing candidates. i think there is no partisanship in this world and let's let our religion to be separate from that. >> harris: where you put those black churches who are praying for barack obama? >> meghan: it's not uncommon. i have seen plenty of videos on the internet where pastors of
churches were telling their congregations to vote for a specific candidate. when you're talking about this bill not being enforced, i more thinking about it -- this is something i thought was already going on to an extent. >> sandra: paul ryan responded, he said it's high time we restarted the religious right. >> marie: for someone >> meghan: i couldn't vote for a democrat for that reason alon alone. most of how i voted, at six important to me. a lot of times, i want to say politics and state stone and are stacked, it's a natural way for which it's going to. >> harris: this is specific, at least for my personal witnessing and some black churches where it was specific to the democratic party and such
that it was barack obama and those were running with them. >> charlie: all churches pray for our nationalis that step ofd getting people to go to the polls. that's the line. >> harris: former national security advisor susan rice is under fire for refusing to testify before a senate panel. in the unmasking of u.s. citizens during the russian investigation. nine top lawmaker says her refusal makes it seem like she has something to hide. does she? we'll talk about it. we are waiting a big vote in the house. republicans making another push to repeal and replace obamacare. they say they have the votes. stay close.
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republicans on capitol hill today. the houses expected to vote on that revamped bill to repeal and replace obamacare. that bill is expected in the next hour. we are seeing the debate happening on the floor right now. we're going to stay on this for you. big news when it happens. >> meghan: susan rice is a refusing to testify before a senate subcommittee. rice, declining senator lindsey graham's invitation saying it was not bipartisan. this, as lawmakers look into her election involvement unmasking citizens during the russian probe. president trump is morning tweeting to take away, not good. chuck grassley saying her toy stands in stark contrast with other high-ranking national security officials. lindsey graham invited her and then i believe the white house
came out and said i didn't extend an invitation to the democrat, so politics are not allowed to do this. such a copout. >> charlie: yeah, it has to be one of the worst. i have no idea what that even possibly means, but it does underscore something that is applicable about this. this whole scandal i think is the biggest crisis of the entire obama administration. i don't use that word lightly. it really is a constitutional crisis. if it were not so in view of politics, it would be a bipartisan outrage with what happened here. because it is squeezed through the plato maker of politics, everybody's taking sides as they do and nobody is searching for the plain, honest to god truth. >> meghan: maria, you are a former member of the cia,
doesn't this bother you? >> marie: here's the problem with the allegation. there has been zero evidence to back that up and in fact, bipartisan republican and democratic members will find a chance to look at those documents devin nunes was talking about came away and said we didn't see anything improper. i understand -- >> charlie: how do you explain mike flynn thing? >> marie: which one? there are so many i can explain to you. >> charlie: the fact that he was unmasked, those transcripts were revealed. >> marie: there could be very legitimate national security briefings that mike flynn and his conversation with russian officials, turkish officials, any of these other officials was unmasked. i'm not saying that have been dori didn't, i'm saying there is zero evidence to back up the
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she walked all those talking points that were proven not to be true. and the context of wanting to get to the truth of her at the center of it, what do you think it says that she is saying no, i'm not going to come back? the >> marie: again, sometimes susan is her own worst enemy on these things. dianne feinstein came out and said she should probably come answer some questions. i would be happy for her, because it is a sensitive situation. i would love for her to answer questions in a way that were bipartisan or nonpartisan and to get to some of the truth of this unmasking issue. my problem is, republicans, i feel it, are trying to make the whole story unmasking and susan rice because she is an easy target when the whole story is russia meddled in our election, period. >> meghan: that's a lot of dancing.
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capitol hill. the health care bill, expected to squeak through with more than 216 votes that are needed. i can tell you that a bed check vote a short time ago said they had the votes they needed for republican's to get this to the house. we're watching it, will bring you developments as it happens live. >> i was the candidate, i was the person who was on the ballot, but i was on the way to winning until a combination of jim comey's letter on october october 28th and russian wikileaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were trying to vote for me, but got scared off. >> sandra: hillary clinton facing maker backlash. david axelrod telling cnn that while clinton does have a
legitimate beef with the fbi director, the buck stops with her. >> jim comey didn't tell her not to campaign in wisconsin after the convention. he didn't say don't put any resources into michigan until the final week of the campaign and one of the things that hindered her in the campaign was a sense that she never was fully willing to take responsibility. >> sandra: john saki eck echoing most comments saying democrats need to recognize there were other reasons she came up short. >> democrats, people close to hillary clinton are going to stand politics, if they don't understand there were other failings, including where we didn't campaign, the fact that there wasn't pulling and swing middle of the country states, the fact that democrats failed to have an economic message that connected with people, then we are really missing an opportunity and we are really putting our heads in the sand to her own detriment. >> sandra: just can't resist
going back to hillary clinton's comments going out of the gate there. we've heard them several times. taking full responsibility, but then she starts pointing fingers and immediately had a rather reason she lost. space entry specific we we said james comey. >> charlie: yes. it's vintage clinton. i've been waiting for this firefight to start to kind of break out. she also blamed president obama for getting reelected. that's another reason she lost, because it so hard to follow somebody in the same party after two terms. everybody talks about the infighting in the republican party, i'm sure there's plenty, but this fighting that has to happen between now and the next election among democrats is going to be insane, because you have the obama coalition, the obama people, who are to blame for a lot of the problems hillary clinton had because she was running on a third term, based on his policies and
democrats lost 1,000 seats on these policies. for them to start sniping at one another, it's going to get worse. >> sandra: your saving your comments. let's go to marie first, because it does appear that her fellow democrats are very quick and kindly pointing out why exactly she lost. it doesn't appear she really recognize the real reasons or acknowledge them. the speed and i don't care if she ever realizes that, what i care about is party leaders who are leaders today and in the future, look at why she lost, all of the reasons, campaign strategy, nominating candidates with a bunch of baggage, but the interparty -- the fight i'm more concerned about is this rest of
the party and bernie sanders fight. bernie sanderson on a democrat. there are certain things we agree with him on in certain things we don't, his supporters -- he's never been a registered democrat. >> charlie: what do you think about a party where half of your party supports a socialist? >> marie: is the challenge. taking party supporters, the issues they care about, the sub -- taking the message on the economic side, what can we ask for average americans in places like my home state of ohio and try to bring some of those back? this is going to be a very interesting fight and i hope my party is up to it. >> sandra: at doesn't appear they are. tim ryan took a good shot at that. >> meghan: i take this from a totally different perspective about why politically she is not taken responsibility for her actions. i come at this from a personal place. i don't always invoke my personal experiences, but i have been there on election night front and center. when you lose and you lose to an
embarrassing way which is what happen with my father and also what happened with donald trump. on election night, my family prayed together, talked about how blessed we are and in that moment, that night, elected to move on. had my father been going on tv 100 days later blaming everyone else, i would have called him up, i would have personally yanked him off television and said you're embarrassing yourself. this is pathetic, this is not good for america. it's not good for americans to keep reliving this. they fail because it was the worst campaign ever. i find her behavior deeply unpatriotic and quite pathetic. >> harris: are you worried, marie, that while hillary clinton -- i have a buck, if you figure out where the buck stops -- are you at all worried about how this would affect her and an ability to focus an end help the party
because she still does have samoa joe she could help with, because you want to talk about women's issues and everything else, maybe she could certainly help fund raise, she knows how to do that. are you worried that she becomes a shiny object distraction for your party? >> marie: she doesn't. we have joe biden, barack obama, he is still very popular, left off his incredible a popular, and other leaders in the senate and house and state who are picking up the mantle of the democratic party and this isn't going to be hillary clinton's party. >> harris: you should call her so she knows. >> meghan: this mount personal version of hell where she comes on tv and tells her when why she should be president. fbi director james comey revealing yesterday that hillary clinton's top aide made a habit of forwarding emails containing classified information to her
husband, disgraced congressman anthony weiner. here's the exchange. >> was her classified information on former congressman weiner's computer? >> yes. >> who sent it to him? >> his then spouse, huma abedin appears to have had a regular practice of forwarding emails to him to print out for her so she could then deliver them to the secretary of state. >> why did you conclude neither of them committed a crime? >> because with respect to miss abedin, we didn't have any indication that she had a sense that what you doing was an violation of the law. >> meghan: we are already starting to talk. >> harris: let me tell you where we went there. this is marie. these are actually recto actively classified documents, right? what does that matter? we are in it to win it now. this woman was walking into her home, so as far as we know, he had his laptop, honey, can you print this? i emailed you such an old by the
way, let me upload a few? >> sandra: not once, not twice, but on a regular basis. >> meghan: he was also messaging underage women on the internet and being a complete pervert on the internet. >> charlie: who was the first person that brought that up? donald trump. dirt bag is now a presidential word, i'm pretty sure. >> meghan: it shows the arrogance that our spies and allies go through -- the arrogance of huma abedin that she thinks she can send this to her pervert husband who may or may not have been under investigation when it was happening, completely expose our national secrets to god knows who on the internet. i understand the hat they're
hanging this on, if it were you or me, and we had to mess with our husbands, i'm telling you it would be a different story. the media continues to get this woman a free pass. she's at the met ball this weekend. she continues to be treated as a celebrity for whatever reason and it's absolutely inexcusable. she has put americans safety at risk and she should be charged or brought under. >> harris: >> harris: to answerr question, to address it, here is my overarching thought on all of this. this sits with the original person who sent and had the emails on men in secure server appear hillary clinton. what clearance to the people in that circle have a question mark we know anthony weiner had some kind of clearance, but was he cleared to receive those materials? is a stain on the house of both of these women.
>> meghan: as much as i like talking about huma abedin, you do not. >> marie: i not going to lizza's argument, but i feel the need to make it as a former cia officer, i've seen the emails that have been released publicl publicly. some of the stuff, not all, for you jump on me, some of the stuff that they went back and classified were media articles. i have to do it, it's cathartic for me to get this out. some of them were literally press articles about classified programs that were retroactively classified. yes, she should not have done it, she shouldn't have had the private server, -- >> meghan: she should hate -- you should hate her more than me, because the position she puts it when -- >> sandra: the classification is irrelevant. >> marie: is a ton of classification information and if we are in a place where press articles are classified and because of that, she is putting
national security at risk, we all need to take a little bit of a deep breath here. that's all i'm saying. >> meghan: i feel bad for the position they continue to put that in. you cannot here make it okay. what a difference a day makes. the big assist from president trump and the 11th hour, how his dealmaking skills may have made all the differenc difference.
credit for getting personally involved in delivering some last-minute votes. white house aides are saying the president has been working the phones seriously and he was able to get four key moderates on board after meeting with them at the white house yesterday. here's one of those former holdouts. really long on how his note turned into a "yes." >> one they made what i considered the change to pre-existing conditions, that's when i said, i may know. the president said billy, we need you. i said you don't have me. he said they need you. he called back yesterday, we need you, we need you, we need you. i'm happy to announce that we will have pre-existing conditions covered adequately. >> harris: you are clearing your throat. >> charlie: so sorry. >> harris: can you explain how these nose are becoming yeses? the one thing i pointed out a
week ago, yes it was the freedom caucus, but 60 votes they were worried about going into that friday a few weeks ago. only half of the more freedom caucus, the rest of the more moderate. >> charlie: as she pointed out earlier, it wasn't just the freedom caucus. what's interesting, it's moving the bill more leftward to include things like pre-existing conditions and things like that. again, at the end of the day, it baffles me that they are doing this without getting democrats to buy in to something. i think it will be a poor result. >> harris: you may want to get to the senate. >> charlie: yes, and when it gets past and the democrats can hang this entire thing on republicans. >> marie: here's the problem on pre-existing conditions. every single expert that has looked at this over the last 48 hours says, this will mean less
coverage for pre-existing conditions, high risk pools do not work out well, and it's not enough money, people will see in their lives a change and pre-existing condition coverage. republicans are making promises they can't keep. that is a problem. >> harris: you have said before, and i think now is a valid point more than ever, that the american public needs to know more about what's going into this bill in the process. i'm seeing on my twitter feed rate now that people have been trying to google it. what are your thoughts? >> meghan: what happens today isn't going to be the final bill that goes through the senate. as much as we can celebrate something happening today, i have no reason to believe that the exact battle that have been in congress isn't going to manifest itself again and the senate over things like pre-existing conditions, over things like medicaid, expansion expansion, -- >> harris: are you frustrated by this process? >> meghan: yes, because the
momentum is waning a little bit. i was made a lot of promises and i was quite upset when they didn't come to fruition. i think the ideological battle will continue on and will be talking about this for a very long time. >> sandra: this is a significant moment. newt gingrich this morning on "fox & friends" said the passage of this bill will be an extraordinary moment, an example of president trump's negotiating prowess. when he talked about momentum, he also commented on speaker paul ryan getting credit saying he deserves a lot of credit for never backing down, despite the setbacks. >> charlie: what he is primarily talking about is if there are some changes and it too medicaid, medicare, that allow the bill to realize very large and important savings over a ten-year period, if that's a silver lining, that is a significant silver lining. sounds good. we should know in the next few minutes because if they are close to being on schedule, although out of the corner my
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united states immigration and customs enforcement will hold a press conference at 2:15 today. probably not too far away. to announce the results of a highly successful recent gang surge operation. the president has made enforcement of our nation's immigration law the top priority and today's announcement will under score not only that commitment, but his focus on targeting transnational gangs and prioritizing the removal of criminal aliens who pose a threat to public safety. also today secretary mattis met with the turkish prime minister to discuss a range of bilateral security issues and the secretary reiterated the united states commitment to protecting our nato allies and both leaders affirmed their support for peace and stability in iraq and syria. one other thing i wanted to point out. last night obamacare suffered another serious blow as aetna announced its decision to pull out of the nebraska and delaware marketplaces which ends their phar teus payings in exchanges
completely. they sustained hundreds of millions of dollars over the last several years and it's projected to lose more than 200 million in 2017. the company attributes those losses to structural issues within the exchanges, quoted, that have led to co-op failures and subsequent risk pool deterioration, end quote. this latest news adds to the mountain of evidence that obamacare has completely failed the american people and reinforces why there is no time to waste in repealing and replacing this law before it takes our entire healthcare system down with it. finally, i know -- those hands. i know we sent out a timeline regarding the firing of director comey yesterday because there seemed to be some misperceptions about the meeting between the president and the attorney general and the deputy attorney general on monday. but i'm going to read it to you all again just to make sure we're all on the same page because i want the sequence of events to be perfectly clear to everyone. the president, over the last several months, lost confidence
clearly. those words don't leave a lot of room for interpretation, so i think it's pretty clear what he meant. >> where were these three kofrgss that the president had with james comey about whether or not he was under investigation. he said two phone calls. is that since january 20 or when? >> best of my understanding, i don't have exact dates on when those phone calls took place. john? >> sarah, two parts to the comey question regarding the interview the president just gave. first of all, isn't it inappropriate for the president of the united states to ask the fbi director directly if he is under investigation? >> no, i don't believe it is. >> one of these conversations the president said happened at a dinner where the fbi director, according to the president, was asking him to stay on as fbi director. don't you see how that's a conflict of interest. fbi director saying he wants to keep his job and the president is asking whether or not he is under investigation. >> i don't see that as a conflict of interest and neither do the many legal scholars and others that have been commenting
on it for the last hour. so, no, i don't see that as an issue. >> sarah, the other thing i want to ask you about. i asked you directly -- >> we're up to three now. >> related to comey. i asked you directly if the president already decided to fire james comey when he met with the deputy attorney general and attorney general. and you said no. also the vice president of the united states said directly that the president acted to take the recommendation of the deputy attorney general to remove the fbi director. sean spicer said directly it was all him, meaning the deputy attorney general. now we learn from the president directly that he had already decided to fire james comey. why were so many people giving answers that just weren't correct? were you in the dark? was the vice president misled again? >> i know you'd love to report that we were misled and we want to -- hold on, jonathan. i let you finish and read off
every single one of those statements. unless you want to trade places, i think it's my turn now. i think it's pretty simple. i hadn't had a chance to have the conversation directly with the president to say. i had several conversations with him. but i didn't ask that question directly. had you already made that decision. i went off of the information that i had when i answered your question. i have since had the conversation with him right before i walked on today and he laid it out very clearly. he had already made that decision. he had been thinking about it for months, which i did say yesterday and have said many times since. wednesday i think was the final straw that pushed him and the recommendation i guess he got from the deputy attorney general just further solidified his decision. and, again, i think reaffirms that he made the right one. >> was the vice president in the dark, too? >> nobody was in the dark, jonathan. you want to create this false narrative. if we want to talk ab contradicting statements and people that were maybe in the
dark, how about the democrats. let's read a few of them. do you want to talk about them? here's what democrats said not long ago about comey. harry reid said comey should resign and be investigated by the senate. senator chuck shumer said i don't have confidence in him any longer. senator bernie sanders said it would not be a bad thing for the american people if comey resigned. nancy pelosi said comey was not in the right job. debbie wasserman schultz said she no longer thought comey was able to serve in a credible way. just yesterday representative maxine waters said hillary clinton would have fired comey. do you want to talk about people in the dark? our story is consistent. the president is the only person that can fire the director of the fbi. he served at the pleasure of the president. the president made the decision. it was the right decision. the people that are in the dark today are the democrats. they want to come out, they want to talk about all of these, they
love comey and how great he was. look at the facts. the facts don't lie. their statements are all right there. i think it's extremely clear that -- and frankly, i think it's kind of sad. in washington we finally have something that i think we should have all been able to agree on and that was that director comey shouldn't have been at the fbi, but the democrats want to play partisan games and i think that's the most glaring thing that's being left out of all of your process stories. john roberts. >> sarah, you said from the podium yesterday that director comey had lost confidence in the rank and file of the fbi. on capitol hill today the acting director of the fbi andrew mccabe directly contradicted that. what led you and the white house to believe that he had lost confidence of the rank and file of the fbi, when the acting director said that's the opposite. >> ky speak to my own personal experience. i have heard from countless members of the fbi that are grateful and thankful for the president's decision, and i think that we may have to agree to disagree. i'm sure there are some people that are disappointed, but i
have certainly heard from a large number of individuals. that's just myself. i don't even know that many people in the fbi. >> if i could, to what you were saying about the democrats. clearly they didn't like james comey too much after the october 28th pronouncement that he was reopening the investigation into hillary clinton. their point now is timing is different. that this was in the middle of an investigation. do they have a point? >> not at all. mr. mccabe made that point far better than i could today when he said that there's been no impediment to the investigation, and as i said before, any investigation that was taking place on monday is still taking place today. so i think that's, again, another sad story by the democrats that they're trying to pedd peddle. >> another comment from the hearings today. the acting deputy attorney general said -- i'm sorry.
mccabe said he considers the investigation into russian meddling of the election to be highly significant. in the past the president has said that the investigation was a hoax and he pledged recently whether maybe it wasn't russia, might have been china. does the president consider this investigation to be highly insignificant? >> look, i think he would love nothing more for this investigation to continue to its completion. i think one of the reasons that the hoax component is the collusion component that has been the false narrative that you guys have been pushing for the better part of a year. i think that's the piece that he is repeatedly talking about being the hoax. >> but in terms of the threat to national security, does he take that seriously? does he think that's significant? >> of course he takes national security seriously. to even hint that he doesn't i
think is to misunderstand this president completely. from the very moment that he stepped onto the campaign stage, to the day that he took the oath of office to become president, he has talked about national security. he's made that one of the biggest priorities in the administration. you just saw tom bosser here talking about cyber security. on all fronts, whether securing the border, whether it's protecting people abroad here, the president has been focused on national security. >> what about the election and the threat to national security. >> i haven't had chance to ask him about that. we're still waiting on the final conclusion of that investigation. i think any time we have somebody interfering with our election, that would be considered a problem, and i think the president would certainly recognize that. matthew? >> two questions. first, as has been mentioned, vice president pence yesterday said the firing was based on the recommendation of the attorney general and deputy attorney general. we know now that that's not
true. was the vice president misled again or did he mislead the american people? >> i believe i answered that. >> if you have, i don't think i caught it. the vp said yesterday that the president chose to support the decision of the deputy attorney general and attorney general. >> he certainly accepted the deputy attorney general -- that doesn't mean that he wouldn't still accept his recommendation. they're on the same page. why are we arguing about the semantics of whether or not he accepted it. they agreed. i mean, i'm not sure how he didn't accept the deputy attorney general's recommendation when they agreed with one another. >> if i may just switch topics slightly. if he knew -- if the president knew that he was going to do this, why ask for those memos to begin with? why not just fire comey? why have these memos put out and then explain that he did it because of the memos but then said he was going to do it either way. i'm confused to even why we got the memos. >> i think he wanted to get the
feed back from the deputy attorney general who the deputy of the fbi reports to. it further solidified the decision that he made. the only person that can fire comey was the president. he made that decision. it was clearly the right one, as evidenced by all of the comments, both by house and senate democrats, republicans and many people within the fbi. i think instead of getting so lost in the process that this happened at 12:01 or 12:02, did he fire him because he wore a red tie or a blue tie. he fired him because he was not fit to do the job. it's that simple. this shouldn't be a complicated process. the president knew that director comey was not up to the task. he decided that he wasn't the right person in the job. he wanted somebody that could bring credibility back to the fbi. that had been lost over this last several months. the president made that decision. he made it. he moved forward. it was the right one. i don't think that, you know, the back and forth makes that much difference.
>> sarah. did you call on me? thank you. sarah, going back to what you said about democrats. yes, there are some democrats saying comey should have been fired, but they're questioning the timing. why now. even though the deputy attorney general did do that, they're questioning why now. >> i think that i have answered this. i hate to again just keep repeating myself. we're kind of getting lost on the same questions here. he had decided that he wasn't fit. there's never gonna be a good time to fire one. whether it's on a tuesday or a friday. he decided he wanted to give director comey a chance. he did. he felt like he wasn't up to the task. >> last question. monday sean spicer, when he was at the podium, he said after the testimony with clapper and yates, he said, he talked about there was no collusion from what mr. clapper said. he also said there needs to be a
timeline when the russian investigation ends. yesterday he said it should continue. which one is it? should it continue or should it end? spicer said the president wanted it to end monday. now yesterday he said it should continue. i'm just trying to find out what it is. >> i said we want it to come to its completion. we want it to continue until it is finished, which we would like to happen soon so that we can focus on the things that we think most americans frankly care a whole lot more about. i think the people in this room are obsessed with this story a lot more than the people that we talk to and we hear from every day. we'd like to be focused on the problems that they have. that's the point. we'd love for this to be complete. but we all want it to be completed with integrity. that was one of the other reasons, frankly, that the decision the president made was the right one. because i think it adds credibility and integrity back to the fbi where a lot of people frankly were questioning it. >> we now know the president fired the fbi director with six
years left on his ten year term because he was a show boat. how important is it that the next fbi director not be a show boat or a grandstander? how important is it that it's a person with loyalty to the president? >> i think the main factor that they're looking for is that they are loyal to the justice system, they're loyal to the american people. this president is looking for somebody who can come in that is independent and has the support i think across the board, whether it's republicans, democrats, members of the fbi, certainly the american people. again, it wasn't just one thing that caused the president to make this decision. a large part of why he made this decision was because he didn't feel like director comey was up to the job. he had watched just an erosion of confidence that he had in his ability to carry out the task that needed to be done. he's looking for somebody who can do that. jordan? >> two questions. first i want to follow-up on
what john said about the rank and file. could it be the acting director of the fbi has a better handle on the rank and file than you do? >> look, i'm not going to get into a back and forth who has a better handle. again, i have heard from multiple individuals that are very happy about the president's decision and i know that it was the right one. i believe that most of the people that we've talked to also believe it was the right decision to make. >> about the meeting yesterday between president trump and the russian foreign minister. can you walk us through how a photographer from either russian state news outlet or the russian government got into that meeting and got those photographs out? >> yes, the same way they would who ever the president was meeting with when it comes to a foreign minister or a head of state. both individuals have official photographers in the room. we had an official photographer in the room, as did they. >> usually u.s. independent media the u.s. invited into
those meetings. why didn't that happen in this case? >> it varies. not always, particularly sometimes the protocol when it is not the head of state and prior to the president meeting with the head of state that wouldn't always take place. again, proper protocol was followed in this procedure. >> has the president been questioned by the fbi with regard to their investigation to russia interference in the election? >> not that i'm aware of. >> does he expect to be? >> i haven't had a chance to ask him that question, i don't know. i'm not going to guess on what he may expect. major? >> at the justice department there's a protocol that discourages conversations with the president of the united states and the fbi director about anything that might involve the president. that's protocol that's usually required to ensure there is no confusion about political interference or any kind or even the impression or appearance of political influence on the fbi. that's the standard procedure. you just said it was appropriate
for the president of the united states to ask whether or not he was under investigation. why is it appropriate? that's not consistent with the guidelines at the justice department to avoid that. >> we've talked to several legal scholars have weighed in on this and said there was nothing wrong with the president asking that question. >> so the department should change their protocol? >> i haven seen their protocol. i'm only speaking to what i said. >> that's what you think. >> that's not what i think. look at the people who followed up the interview. there were multiple attorneys who came on after and specifically stated it was not inappropriate, it wasn't wrong for the president to do so. again, i can only base it off. i'm not an attorney. i don't even play one on tv. what i can tell you is what i have heard from legal minds and people that actually are attorneys and that's their opinion. i have to trust the justice system on that fact. >> would you say based on the experience that you and sean and the communications office had tuesday and wednesday that you were given all of the best
information to relay to the american public through us and your job is to relay that information. we're on intermediaries. about what happened with this firing and the rational for it. >> intermediaries. you seem to take a much more pro-active approach most of the time, but i'll go with intermediaries for today. look, i think we were absolutely given the information that we could have at that time. it was a quick moving process. we took the information we had as best we have it and got it out to the american people as quickly as we could. >> would you say that information was accurate then or is more accurate now? >> i would say that after having a conversation with the president, you don't get much more accurate than that. >> so by that standard, should reporters and the country essentially wait for a pronouncement from the president before believing that which is stated on his behalf by the white house communications desk. >> look, major. i'm not gonna get into a back and forth. we have to have a direct quote
every single time. in this process i gave you the best information i had at the moment. i still don't think that it contradict sz the president's decision. you guys want to get lost in the process. >> i don't think asking you a question and getting an answer is getting lost in the process. >> and i'm answering those questions. it's very simple. the president decided to fire director comey. nobody else gets to make that decision. he made it. he stands by it. as do the rest of us. thank you. mike? >> two questions. following up on this. back in i think october of last year the former president was highly criticized by members of the fbi and others outside of the fbi for making comments on television that were sort of suggested that he had an opinion about how the hillary clinton e-mail case should and the charge was that he was interfering. he was putting his thumb on the scale of an on going active
investigation. lot of criticism by republicans about that. talk to me about how that -- how what this president did in his series of conversations with the fbi director doesn't go far beyond what former president obama did. and to major's point, how can you argue regardless of maybe some pundits on tv who might be saying otherwise, how can you argue that that doesn't have an appearance of trying to influence an investigation that's actively going on. >> i think the president's encouraged this investigation to take place and complete so that we can move forward. we've been as compliant as possible throughout the entire process. we will continue to do so. nobody wants this investigation to go forward and complete and end with integrity more than the president. >> everybody knows which way he wants to come out.
>> on the right side. he wants it to come out. he's very well aware of the actions he has or hasn't taken. he knows he didn't take any action. i think he's ready for the rest of you guys to understand that as well. >> one last question just to follow up on the fbi thing. and i'm not trying to be overly static here but you said today and i think you said again yesterday that you personally have talked to countless fbi officials, employees since this happened. >> correct. >> really? i mean -- >> between e-mails, text messages, absolutely. >> 60, 70? >> we're not going to get into a numbers game. i have heard from a large number of individuals that work at the fbi that said they are very happy with the president's decision. i don't know what else i can say. >> there's a report in "the wall street journal" that the general asked counsel to correct the
version of that initially after the comey firing. is that accurate? did that contribute to a different version of events that you've seen? >> i'm not aware of a specific ask for a correction. i know we all want to make sure we get this right. that's been our -- what we've attempted to do all along. the reason we said the update last night, there were several questions after the briefing yesterday. i addressed that in the opening today. our goal is to get this as right and clear as we can. >> did the president know that comey had reservations before he made his decision? >> no. i also think based on what i have seen the department of justice has pushed back and said that's not accurate. but i would refer you to them. >> sarah, was's it going to take for the white house to pen the decision to fire james comey on rod rosenstein. >> i don't think there was ever an attempt to pin the decision on the deputy attorney general. look, his recommendation, again, it was extremely clear.
the president, though, makes the decision. the buck stops with him. nobody's ever tried to say that this wasn't the president's decision, that he wassen the one who carried it out and to try to inflate those things is just not what took place. we know the president's been thinking ab this for a long time. wednesday it certainly i think expedited that, the director's testimony last wednesday. and then getting the recommendation from the attorney general, or deputy attorney general i think just further solidified the president's decision. >> just to clarify one thing. you said the president has encouraged this investigation into russia to see it reach its completion sooner rather than later. how has he encouraged it if he just fired a man overseeing the russian investigation? >> there are multiple people that are part of this. you've got the house committee, the senate committee. look, again, the point is we want this to come to its conclusion. we want to come to its conclusion with integrity.
we think, by removing director comey, we've taken steps to make that happen. thank you very much, guys. >> the white house press briefing just firing up. good afternoon, everyone. thanks for being with us. i'm maria bartoromo. the president commenting saying this of director comey. >> he's a show boat. he's a grandstander. the fbi has been in turmoil. you know that. i know that. everybody knows that. you take a look at the fbi a year ago. it was in virtual turmoil. less than a year ago. it hasn't recovered from that. p >> maria: first we go to john
roberts. >> reporter: good afternoon. from the podium today with sarah huckabee sanders, more confirmation that the president had been thinking about firing james comey farther back than we were led to believe. he said she gave us the best information she and sean spicer, communications team here gave us the best information they had at the time on tuesday. but that information was leading us down the road to believe that this was all on the recommendation of the deputy attorney general at the department of justice, rod rosenstein, and that this was all pegged to james comey's handling of the hillary clinton e-mail controversy going all the way back to july of last year. we learned that's quite different. the president became frustrated with james comey over the weeks and months preceding his firing. could go back to november or beyond that. you saw his testimony before the senate judiciary committee a week ago. that's really kind of when he came to the conclusion that he had to go. i'm told by sources here at the white house that the president
was quite open with his closest aide and talking about his desire to get rid of comey. then finally pulled the trigger on that tuesday night. now, the president, in an interview, with lester holt of nbc, said not too long ago that despite the recommendation of the deputy attorney general, it was his mind to get rid of comey. listen to this exchange here. >> what i did, i was going to fire comey. my decision. >> you had made the decision. >> i was going to fire comey. there's no good time to do it, by the way. >> you said i accepted their recommendation. you had already made the decision. >> oh, i was going to fire regardless of recommendation. >> reporter: you remember all in that termination letter that the president delivered to james comey electronically and in person by his former head of security, now his chief of oval office operations keith schiller to the fbi even though comey was in los angeles at the time. the president said that he appreciated the fact that comey had told him on three separate occasions that he was not under
investigation in connection with this investigation into possible collusion between the trump campaign and russia to influence the u.s. election. nbc news anchor lester holt tried to drill that with the president to find out on what occasion he was told that he was not under investigation and what the circumstances were surrounding those occasions. listen here. >> the phone call he said it and then during another phone call he said it. he said it once at dinner and then he said it twice during phone calls. >> did you call him? >> in one case i called him. one case he called me. >> did you ask him, am i under investigation? >> i actually asked him. i said, if it's possible, would you let me know, am i under investigation? he said, you not under investigation. >> reporter: the chairman of the judiciary committee charles grassley said not too long ago that it was his belief that james comey had said very much the same thing to him though perhaps not in such direct
words. so we expect we'll hear more on that as the hours go on here. maria >> maria: thank you very much. andrew mccabe also joining his national security colleagues today testifying before the senate intelligence committee in the wake of the firing of his former boss, james comey. catherine herridge live on capitol hill. what did we learn? >> reporter: everyone here had been expecting the fbi director until he was fired tuesday. then as the acting director andrew mccabe testified that the firing of his boss had not disrupted the russia probe. >> have the dismissal of mr. comey impeded, interrupted, stopped or negatively impacted any of the work, any investigation or any on going projects at the federal bureau of investigations? >> simply put, sir, you cannot stop the men and women of the fbi from doing the right thing,
protecting the american people, upholding the constitution. >> reporter: mccabe was pressed on who the target of the investigation would be and whether, in fact, it was president trump. >> did you ever hear director comey tell the president he was not the subject of an investigation? >> sir, i can't comment on any conversations the director may have had with the president. >> reporter: and the committee's senior democrat had some harsh words for the president, criticizing the firing of fbi director comey, saying it has lost their search for answers. >> we anticipate asking director comey a series of questions about his actions and the actions of the fbi in terms of looking into which trump associates, if any, and some of their actions during the campaign as it relates to the russians. however, president trump's actions this week cost us an opportunity to get at the truth, at least for today. >> reporter: despite what we've heard at the white house over
the last couple days mccabe testified there remains strong confidence among the agents at the fbi. we all had a very rare admission, i don't think we ever heard this publicly before from a senior fbi official, that after director comey made the decision not to recommend charges for hillary clinton and her team for the mishandling of classified information, there was a lot of anger and frustration among the career agents involved, maria. >> maria: we'll be following that. want to bring in pete hexter. mr. chairman, thank you. your reaction to this? >> i'll tell you, there's so many angles to come at this. i think they've covered them all. the bottom line is we're going to have a few fbi director. the president takes responsibility for the decision to fire director comey. not a whole lot more there. the investigations are going forward. >> maria: the president could fire any director any time for
any reason which is what jim comey wrote in the letter to his staff. but, could the president have done it differently? should he have done it differently? what should have been done better? >> i think maybe you could take a look at the process. it should have probably been a direct meeting either with the presidented and director comey or with the attorney general sessions and the directser. director finding out what's going on the screen behind him. that's unseenly. you could have improved the process. but the bottom line as we've seen over the last number of months, democrats and republicans and now the president of the united states all have decided or had decided that we needed a new director of the fbi. >> maria: this investigation into the potential collusion between the president and his team and the russians has been going on now about ten months. started last july. is this typical?
how long do they expect this investigation to go on? they keep yielding the same thing, that there is no evidence of collusion. >> well, that's right. there is no evidence. they're looking for more information to collect more documents and more miles. keep going on one after the other. >> maria: this has been going on. we know where health care stands. now it's in the senate. senate said they'll tear up their own bill. we know the tax reform is supposed to be getting done this year. is this a distraction. >> one of the things that are
driving the american people crazy. they want tax reform because they have people individually have problems that they want to see an economy that is growing and booming creating opportunities. they want congress to act on that. then you've got all the foreign policy threats that we face, whether it's isis or north korea. they want these problems addressed. if the story coming out of washington for the next six or nine months are all these political games between the different parties attacking each other and they don't get these things done. it's not republicans that will get hurt in 2018. it's incumbents in washington, whether they are an r or a d. >> maria: right. then there's the cost of it. how much does this investigation cost generally speaking if you're going on for perhaps four years looking for that collusion that has not existed. >> it runs into the tens of
millions of dollars. the more important thing, and that was your last question, it's the opportunity cost. as we're doing this and not addressing the other issues. the opportunity costs to the american economy, to the american taxpayers, is tremendous. >> maria: we'll see if they get anything done. that's what the american people voted for. i think both sides will get impacted there. congressman, always a pleasure. >> thank you. >> maria: we appreciate it. donald trump is speaking out about this, firing of fbi director james comey. martha mccowan will weigh in and rand paul is on deck. stay with us. back in a moment. what's that? p3 planters nuts, jerky and seeds. i like a variety in my protein. totally, that's why i have this uh trail mix.
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one case he called me. >> did you ask him, am i under investigation? >> i actually asked him, yes. i said, if it's, would you let me know, am i under investigation? he said, you are not under investigation. >> but he's given sworn testimony that there was an on going investigation into the trump campaign and possible collusion with the russian government. you were the center piece of the trump campaign. >> what i can tell you -- i know that i'm not under investigation. me, personally. i'm not talking about campaigns. i'm not talking about anything else. >> maria: martha mccowan, great to see you. >> great to see you. >> maria: your reaction? >> i mean, sarah huckabee sanders was just asked about this. she said the president basically has the right to ask. that's what the white house attorneys are saying. really falls into james comey's court, the answer to this question, whether or not he did answer the question, am i under
investigation? i think will turn out to be the more pivotal part of that conversation. i think the president can certainly ask if he is under investigation. >> maria: jim comey knows what to say, legal or not legal. >> exactly. it also takes me back to president obama when he commented in interviews on the irs investigation and said basically there's nothing there. and on the hillary clinton investigation. said she didn't do anything wrong. so, there was a president jumping into two on going investigations, commenting on whether or not he believed there was anything substantive there. not the first time we've heard a president weigh in but there will be more to come. >> maria: i think andrew mccabe said it well. nothing is going to stop the fbi from following what we're doing. that is doing the right thing. in terms of this upset over the russia investigation, it's on going. >> it is absolutely on going. pete hoke stra summarized it. the president has the right to
fire the fbi director. he serves at will to the president. as jim comey, in his own letter said, i believe that a president can fire an fbi director and he doesn't really even need to have a reason. he made up his mind. he did what he did. the investigation, if nothing else, it goes on. in some ways it may heat up. all of these people are gonna bend over backwards to make it very clear that none of this has impacted their job. >> maria: yet it's frustrating to constantly hear no evidence of collusion. it's almost like is this a waste and distraction? what do you think in terms of this situation distracting congress as well as the president from the agenda? we know the people want healthcare repealed and replaced. we know tax form is necessary. >> they need to just keep this going on its own track. the only names that have ever been discussed are michael flynn, who's been subpoenaed. we'll see what happens with that. carter page said they are happy
to discuss this and happy to get their testimony. let that track be what it is. let it continue. there is so much business that has to be done. of course, so much that has been supported in the economy from this administration. it's going to be tough. it will be a major communications challenge for them to try to take this tphaeur tpheufrb that direction. we'll see how they do it >> maria: that was probably one of the strategies of the left. if he did not fire jim comey on day one -- >> he probably wishes he did. >> maria: any day would have been not a good day because the russia investigation started last july at the democratic national convention. >> yeah. when you look back, they make these watergate comparisons. you look back at the history of watergate. it was a completely different environment. richard nixon was completely isolated. there was a democratic majority in congress. he was under investigation for very sophisticated things. this is a very different thing.
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president that he was not the subject of an investigation? >> i can't comment on any conversations the director may have had with the president. >> maria: i'm joined by senator rand paul from kentucky. good to see you, senator. what do you make of that? he would not commit. we know what the president wrote to the letter to jim comey saying, despite you telling me on three separate occasions andrew mccabe would not agree to it. >> i think we put our intelligence people, fbi, all these people in impossible situations. we try to ask them to talk about things they shouldn't be talking about. some ways that's what got comey on the bad list of democrats and republicans. we trot him out at press conferences probably from his own sra hreugs. we put him out there and ask him all these questions about investigations. really what you want from an fbi
director is one who really doesn't comment or puts out a sentence, a written sentence and doesn't do press conferences because we trap these people into talking about things they just aren't comfortable talking about and gets them drawn into politics. >> maria: there was a lot of inconsistency around jim comey. i would say the relationship between the intelligence community and the president started off pretty rocky. i recognize there are agencies and this is a really big community so maybe it's a generalization. but the leaks and the commentary from former head, like the head of the cia who was sort of very adamant against donald trump. was that part of it? that there was a group of people that were against him? >> this still worries me. one of the most alarming things that i have heard in the last couple weeks was chuck shumer's comment when he said trump should watch it because if you mess with the cia, they can get
you six ways to sunday. i'm not sure exactly what that means, but it doesn't sound good. it worries me that one of the top eight officials, chuck shumer is witness and he knows what the intelligence agency can do. most of what they do is secret even from the rest of the members of congress. but schumer's one of the eight that knows what they can do to an individual. when he says the cia will get you if you cross them, that worries me that there's not enough oversight of our intel community. then when we find out that the conversation where they listen to flynn's conversation which i think should be illegal if it wasn't, it's absolutely illegal to leak that. someone in the intelligence community did that because they didn't like the president. we've got to do more oversight. that's why i'm proposing more restraint and more rules on what we do with the data that's collected through this foreign intelligence court. i don't think you should be able to search that data bank for an american without asking a judge through a normal court for a
warrant. >> maria: of course, we know at the time final weeks of president obama's term, he changed all the rules and allowed the agencies to share raw data, which was not the case for the eight years that he was in place and even before that, prompting so many people to question. the main stream media made fun of the president when he said he was surveiled which he was. you've been talking about it. you're wondering if you were surveiled. >> without question general flynn was. people call it incidental to try to say it wasn't a big deal. it wasn't incidental to general flynn an his career that they listened to a private conversation. i'm concerned for americans in general. but i have gotten two reporters that came up who said they have multiple sources, some of this has been published already, saying that the obama administration was looking at my private information. there are rumors of other people who ran for president. i'm trying to get to the bottom of this.
i have asked the white house to look at the logs of all the previous obama administration official to see if they were searching my name or unmasking me in any way. i know one other senator who confided to me that he was srfd by the obama administration including his phone calls. when this comes out, if there are political figures from the opposition party, it's a story bigger than any of the allegations of russian collusion. it's about your own government spying on the opposition party. that would be enormous. >> maria: you were running for president. do you think the obama administration was surveiling anyone who was running for president because they wanted hillary clinton to win? >> i don't know if that's true. skeufed the senate committees and i have asked the white house. there's this whole discussion of susan rice unmasking people. there's no reason for her to unmask people. hers is not a position of investigation. hers is a political position. for her to get involved with
unmasking trump officials is alarming. if it happened to other people, it is even more alarming. but we're gonna try to get to the bottom of this. it's a very secret world. it's a world so secret that most members of congress are never allowed. >> maria: right. sure. senator, i think you hit on something big. tens device with high intensity power that uses technology once only available in doctors' offices for deep penetrating relief at the source. aleve direct therapy.
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it be a police officer, a school security officer or a civilian who is carrying a concealed weapon, the shooter engages, shoots back and forth or commits suicide. either way, the shooting of innocents stops. it's upsetting to read these documents knowing what actually happened that day. and it shows a failure byea broward county sheriff's department either to properly train its officers or, in the case of maybe the current officer -- the officer who had to resign in disgrace, obviously he ignored the training if indeed he followed it. >> tucker: so this wasn't some hidden thing. this wasn't esoteric. this was in the training manual. i think that's relevant because sheriff israel in the days after the shooting went to the cnn gun-control rally and sat on 's the stage and blamed armed citizens, blamed the middle of the country basically for what happened and never mentioned the failures of his deputy, but he must've known that this was the protocol. wouldn't he have known that? >> that's right. and you know, other deputies arrived and they didn't go into the building as quickly as they should have either. a
>> [chanting] >> tucker: that was not the cnn anchor. that was his rhythm challenged brother. senator bernie sanders participated as well, by the wa way. >> here demanding we have the courage to take down the nra,e to pass common sense gun safety legislation, the vast majority of what the american people wan want. >> tucker: sanders and cuomo attended these rallies, but they didn't go alone. they were escorted by bodyguards paid by you who went to protect them. those bodyguards were armed of course with guns. bodyguards allowed to carry ten rounds in their magazines. if you want to protect yourself in the same way in new york,
standard law enforcement issued. >> tucker: hold on. i'm not bragging but i do actually know about thiss. k a glock mag has more than ten. they have magazines bigger than you are allowed. we are paying their bodyguards. okay, they are not allowed in new york. they are allowed in vermont. all law enforcement, they don't limit their rounds and magazines, why would they do that? that's insane but they are asking that we do it. how does that work? >> i kind of agree and disagree. first off, andrew cuomo's k bodyguards should be stuck with the same limits that we are calling for, which is a ten round magazine. other than special teams for law enforcement like s.w.a.t. teams and whatnot, they all have very special circumstances that they would have greater round magazines at their disposal. but the average law enforcement officer should be carrying a ten round magazine just like we would call for anybody else.
>> tucker: but why? do you think they'll do something wrong with it? i'm not arguing to disarm the police, i'm arguing to let people have the same protection that their rulers and, politicians have. t why would you want to in effect lower the effectiveness of a bodyguard? e >> what is the circumstance where you're going to need more than a ten round magazine? a lot of my friends who are deeply into firearms, larger than ten round magazines have a higher percentage rate of jamming. you are hurting the opportunity of the law enforcement officer to do their job properly. >> tucker: they are kind of experts on this question. i think your average cop knows a lot more about what makes an effective firearm then your average cable news host. let's let them decide. can we just agree that politicians shouldn't be allowed to set one standard for themselves above the standard they require of everyone else?
>> bodyguards, i don't agree with you on local law enforcement. local law enforcement is dealing with issues that requires them to have things like bearcats. we've seen then use them very successfully in the number of situations around the country. local law enforcement requires that the state have an opportunity to warm trickle arm more like the military than your average. citizen. >> tucker: can we simplify it? i wonder if we can get the brady people and the bloomberg people on board. no politician can vote for any piece of gun control legislation that he or she would not apply to him or herself. >> i'm all for that 100%. i totally agree with you on that point. politicians should have to abide by what theyey are imposing on e rest of us. i separate the police differently. >> tucker: that's probably a fair point. really quickly, i
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specific question. i'm not an expert. i'm watching that lady in the afternoons over at msnbc scream about how this is immoral to punish this guy.. has he done something worth punishment? >> he's done a number of things worth punishment, including careening through obstruction of justice from the beginning of the trump campaign, doingng everything he could to exonerate hillary clinton in the email server case corruptly. and then if hillary didn't win the presidency, to figure out a way to falsely claim that donald trump had committed a crime. even though that's not what he's being fired for, that'sla certainly ultimately what should he be assigned responsibility for. he should be fired. he should have been fired a long time ago, and if he loses some of his benefits, that's good for the country. it's the least that can be done to him. >> tucker: what are the consequences of having high-level law enforcement officers who have the power of life and death over the rest off
us lying? caught lying? what does that mean for us? >> it means that the system of equal justice has been rent asunder by the conduct of james comey, america's best known dirty cop, andrew mccabe and others, including senior obama administration justice department officials. this is a moment in history that has sullied the reputation of the fbi and the department of justice and deservedly so. every one of these people should be put in a wanted poster at a post office, even though they may never be arrested. what they have done to the department and the fbi is undermine the confidence of the american people in federal law enforcement. it is disgraceful, and it all stems from their animus towardss president trump. it is despicable. >> tucker: so the media are supposed to be watchdogs, even vigilant against the abuse of power. this would be a profound abuse
of power if true. why are they making excuses for it, do you think? a >> they're making excuses for ih because they, like comey and mccabe and senior obama doj people, hate donald trump. and they believe that anything, including violating every known standard of federal law enforcement, is justified to either keep him from office or,t if elected, take him out of office. it is one of the worst moments in the history of american law e enforcement.t. and the shame is on comey and everybody associated with it. >> tucker: so as a procedural matter, if an fbi official e is caught lying to internal investigators, to their ig or whatever department within the bureau did the investigation, isn't that just prima facie cause for firing right there? >> it is, and it's also a violation of the false statement federal statute, and it's a crime. >> tucker: huh, 'cause it's a crime for you or me to lie to the fbi, correct? >> it is indeed, and it's a crime for mr. mccabe to do so.
>> tucker: so mike flynn c has seen his life destroyed because he lied to the fbi, supposedly. he pled to it. mccabe lies to the fbi and what's her name over at msnbc screams about how he might be punished for it. unbelievable. >> the people in the media have given up on being objective or caring about anything than hating trump. shame on them.he >> tucker: yeah, i mean, the rule of law is kind of bigger than trump i would say. anyway, joe, thank you. great to see you. >> my pleasure.f speak to a group of immigrants in this country is suing the trump administration. they claim they can't be deported because it would be racist. an aclu attorney supporting them joins us next. thou hast the patchy beard of a pre-pubescent squire! thy armor was forged by a feeble-fingered peasant woman... your mom!
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i am robert gray. now back to "tucker carlson tonight" ." >> tucker: in the last year, and this is a recently new thing, the american left has united behind a new theory of citizenship in the united states. anyone from around the world can come here for any reason. and once they're here, they never have to leave no matter what the original justification for being here is. and if you disagree, you are a bigot. the u.s. has a designation called temporary protected status for immigrants from certain countries. we have this because we are kind country. we try to help. the status is supposed to be a short-term measure, letting people remain in the u.s. if w their country suffers a calamity like a natural disaster, earthquake, flood, whatever. this program has been around for a long time, and it has been badly abused. el salvador, for example, received tps in 2001 after a series of earthquakes. it still has it today. one-third of all salvadorans on the globe now live in the united states.
honduran immigrants have enjoyed temporary status since 1998. haitians have had it since 2010. the trump administration has said jeez, this is supposed to be temporary. let's make it temporary and let the status of some countries expire. in response, the left is revealing what they really think about temporary. they were actually permanent all along. with support of the aclu, several immigrants are suing the trump administration, saying they can't be deported. they claim that the president has described some countries as terrible places to live, therefore he is a bigot. never mind the entire justification for letting immigrants come here in the first place is that their countries were terrible places to live.s hmm. the only thing that matters is this single principle to the left: anybody can live in the u.s. and they should never be forced to leave ever. we think that's the principle, but to explain it to us, ahilan arulananthan is the legal director of the aclu of southern california, and he joins us tonight. ahilan, thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me, tucker. >> tucker: so there's an obvious internal contradiction here, which i'm sure you've pondered before, which is these
plaintiffs whom you're representing are saying it was bigoted of the president to describe certain countries as hellholes, crappy places to live. and yet the justification for n their being here anyway and not returning is that those countries are exactly what president trump said they were. so how does it work? >> i don't think that's quite how we see it, tucker. i think the government can create a temporary program for people to stay 6, 12, even 18t months. these are countries where people have been lawfully residing here under this u.s. program for almost 20 years. in some cases, more than 20 years. all we're saying is that when the government wants to change the program and take away their status, tear apart their families, their u.s. citizen children who are in high school they have to have a very good reason to do that. and they don't have a very good reason here. >> tucker: may i just say that -- hold on. isn't the reason itself inherent in the program? it was temporary. this wasn't permanent resettlement of people who wanted a better standard of living.
we've done that for a lot of people. but this specific program was to say your country is a disaster. you can come here until it's better. one-third of all salvadorans on planet earth now live in the united states. so there's been a massive resettlement here. why is it unfair to hold them to the standards we agreed on in the first place? >> well, two things, tucker. first, it's not a question of whether or not you can have a good reason to terminate it. the question is, did the government have such a reason here?ot so we know that there was a bipartisan proposal, republicans and democrats, that proposed to the president granting permanent residence to these people because they have lived here for so long. and he rejected that in this meeting where he made this comment -- i don't know if i'm allowed to say this. that they were from [bleep] countries. >> tucker: hold on. that's not relevant actually because none of that became law. so he had a conversation with someone. it didn't go through the congress. no executive orders were issued. so it's not really material to the statutes on the book now which describe a temporary program and you're saying that
it can't be temporary because why? >> it definitely can be temporary, tucker. our point is that once it's happened for a long time -- and some of our plaintiffs are not just immigrants, right? there's, like, the 14-year-old high school student born and raised in northern california, who's studying government, who's studying the constitution, and who knows that the due process clause protects persons and not just citizens.tu she now has to either leave the only country that she's ever known to go live with her parents in el salvador or her family has to broken apart. there's 100,000 other children -- >> tucker: well, can i just -- i mean, look. you're not going to surprise mee with stories about people suffering because a lot of. people are suffering, including millions of american citizens. and i feel sorry for all of them, immigrant and american alike. that's not really the question. the question is what's the best for the country? but the question also unresolved which you have not yet answered is, are they saying either that it was racist to describe their home countries as terrible places? or are they saying that theirac home countries are terrible
places and that's why they can't go back. you can't really say both, can you? >> no, i think the position in the lawsuit, and certainly if you look at the designation that supports this is that the justifications for granting temporary protected status to people from el salvador and haiti and sudan and nicaragua remain in place today. the countries continue to be -- >> tucker: no, no, no. but about -- so trump's comments, the ones that were reported, and we don't really know exactly what he said. but i'm willing to believe he said that, because it's true, by the way. a lot of these countries are hellholes. are you taking issue with that? are you saying that it's wrong to call haiti a hellhole, but no one here from haiti can be returned to haiti because it's a hellhole? i mean, will you just engage with that core thing? >> no. right, yeah, no, tucker.r. what the president has reported to have said is that we don't want people from these s-hole countries, and so it was an expression of animus against
them. it's not the only statement. i mean, the president has made many statements about, you know, everyone from haiti has aids. i don't want to go through them all. >> tucker: well, i don't know. i mean, one-third of -- okay, but who cares? why is that relevant? look, will you just engage with this fact? one-third of all salvadorans in the world live in the united states, so it's not like we have special animus toward salvadorans. a third of their entire population lives here. it's kind of hard to argue that we are racist against salvadorans, isn't it? >> no, no, it's not about thet fact -- in fact, america as ans whole is not racist against -- we have a long history of people from china after tiananmen square, from hungary back in the ' 50s and '60s after the problems there. people obviously from central america as well that we have allowed, welcomed to this country because of the problems that are existing in those countries. >> tucker: but 20 years is not temporary. >> exactly, exactly.
exactly, tucker, and if the government had ended this program, as they did -- >> tucker: [laughs] >> for example, with the ebola -- >> tucker: if we hadn't been so nice, we wouldn't be punished for it.hef wait, you just perfectly crystalized the whole problem with our country and western civilization itself. if we hadn't been so nice, we wouldn't be under attack now. we are being sued because we made the mistake of being kind to immigrants, that's what you're arguing. >> no, i think we've sued because when the government wants to tear a set of families apart -- we're talking about american children, school-aged children, it has to have very good reasons for doing that. >> tucker: but wait. >> we don't think the government has shown -- >> tucker: okay, if they're not s-hole countries, then it's not so terrible to go home. right, i get it. i'm sure they're nice. i just -- i think these are fair questions. we are out of time, ahilan, but thank you for coming on and explaining that. i appreciate it. the friendly skies are not so friendly for dogs. dogs are dying on airlines. not enough people care. we do care. we'll investigate that next.
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♪ >> tucker: dogs are dying on commercial airlines. united airlines is apologizing after a flight attendant forcedt a woman to put her dog into an overhead bin and the dog suffocated there and died. meanwhile another family had its dog shipped to japan by mistake. it's not clear if this is a problem particular to united airlines, but the most recent statistics, they are responsible for three fourths of all dog deaths. mark steyn is an author and columnist and dog lover.r. cheryl is a former flight attendant and an anchor for fox business. cheryl, you were a flight attendant, can you imagine yourself telling a patron, agi customer to put a dog and an overhead bin? >> never in a million years would a flight attendant knowingly put anything living or breathing in an overhead bin.
you just don't do that. that is absolutely not what is happening. i do believe the flightth attendant did not hear that they were saying it was a dog. i don't think this flight attendant knew they were puttint a dog into an overhead bin. there is no circulation, there is no air in this overhead bin and i also don't think the flight crew heard the dog barking, even though passengers say that they did. >> tucker: i wonder why no one stood up and freed the dog, but that's a completely fair point. what does this tell us about air travel or dogs or american society? >> one of the lessons is that air travel is one of the most controlled environments in any free society. take for example what cheryl said, it might well be true that the flight attendant did not hear what the passenger was saying, that there was a dog in the carrier. and it might be true the flight attendant didn't hear any barking. then again you havehe to think
would you not hear the guy goin going, allahu akbar, not hearing the sound of him striking the match as he attempts to light his shoes. we have turned air travel into the most controlled environment in a free country. ol a result, and i don't absolving the flight attendant quite as thoroughly as cheryl does, but i think what's really disturbing here is the behavior of all the passengers, including the dog owners. no passenger -- i say this -- i get so annoyed about the story. i have a dog who is very sick and has required specialized treatment. in montreal and down in someplace in pennsylvania. the thought that if i carelessly made the mistake of flying to philadelphia, this could have happened to my beloved dog. it terrifies me. if you hear a dog in a compartment, you don't recorded on your cell phone. you don't tell a reporter afterwards that you heard
barking. you stand up like a freeborn citizen and you liberate that animal. >> and you risk being fined by the faa. wait a minute. interference with a flight crew is a federal offense. the fbi will be there at the end of the flight. >> tucker: let me ask you this and you may be entirely right, but you lived this and worked on an airline, do you really thinkd of a dog barks in the middle of a flight, someone stood up and said liberate a dog, the fbi would arrest that person? >> of course not. what i'm saying is the passengers are afraid. you are afraid of being arrested, you are afraid of ending up on video. look what happened with united and the doctor last year who was dragged off the plane. they also are responsible for the death of a pet rabbit.t. they have a horrible record with animals. 18 deaths last year of the 24 that were a reported in the entire industry were on united airlines planes. again, passengers are afraid because even the civil penaltiee could go up to $250,000. i think this mother and daughter
were scared to say anything. i think the passengers were as well. a >> that's why we have to end this. we are training human beings. we are training freeborn citizens to behave like domestic pets. docile and spayed because we're frightened that if we point out there is a dog in the overhead bin, then will be dragged off in manacles. at a certain point, this is the post 9/11 environment. as a result of which, we still let in guys who runs on people on the new york bike path and blow up christmas parties inle o san bernardino, but we shuffle shoeless like animals, if you see someone without shoes in public, it's an animal. we have turned ourselves into. animals in this post-9/11 environment.
>> tucker: that's so true. cheryl, really quickly, how does an airline send a dog to japan? >> united criticized someone today because they got two docs - dogs mixed up. it happened on the tarmac at denver when the dogs were taken off the plane. that dog went to japan and set of going to kansas city. that dog is being flown first class to united states by united. their record is not good. >> tucker: think you both. that was great. time for final exam. have you been paying attention to all the news this week? pit yourself against our experts to find out. that's coming up next.
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♪ >> tucker: time now for the most intense part of the show. we picked two news experts. ed henry, a perennial champion. he has won three matchups and a roll. he is one-third of the way of matching shannon bream from last year. his challenger this week is lauren blanchard. >> thanks for putting me in my place. >> tucker: shannon is the platonic ideal. here are the rules, i will explain to you. i ask the questions. the first one to buzz in gets to answer.ai you have to wait until i finish the question if you lose a point, -- are you ready?
question one. president trump was in california this week to look at some border wall prototypes. the president said the top of the wall needs to have a certain design feature to keep out aggressive climbers.pr kind of design does he want? a, the need to be around,un b, need to have barbed wire, or c, needs to be covered in spikes? >> he wants the top of it to be round. >> tucker: not with broken wine bottles. okay, we go to the tape to see if you have been paying attention. >> the round piece you see appear, the larger it is, the better it is. it's very hard to get over the top. it's really a deterrent from getting over the top. who would think? who would think? getting over the topop is easy. these are professional mountain climbers. >> tucker: lauren blanchard got that right. >> she did a piece on this. >> tucker: question two, hillary clinton was in india
this week and she's still pretty upset about the election results. she told an audience that she was well on her way to winning over all the white women, but she lost them because of the shady dealings of one man. who was that man? was it russian president vladimir putin, former president barack obama, former fbi director jim comey? ed henry? >> comey. >> tucker: here is what she said in india. >> i was on the way to winning white women until former director of the fbi, jim comey,u dropped that very ill-advisedd letter on october 28th. we're being told she's going to jail. o you don't want to vote for her. it's terrible, you can vote for that. >> tucker: honestly, it was either the trilateral commission
or vladimir putin. >> 1 of 70 different things. >> tucker: you picked the right one. question three, despite countless violently lyrics and past gun charges, which rapper blasted american gun owners anyway at a sunday award show? lauren blanchard. >> eminem.le >> tucker: he's got gun charges, but he attacked gun owners. let's find out. ♪ >> tucker: i'm not buying his new album now, but you're right. the hypocrisy alarm just went offf. it's 2-1. question four, amazon thee company claiming its latest victim, which iconic brick-and-mortar chain is
now closing all of its stores because they're making no money? lauren blanchard? s >> toys 'r' us. they're closing or selling off all of their u.s. stores. >> tucker: i don't believe you, but let's check the tape. is it toys 'r' us? >> toys 'r' us, if you have a gift card, use it immediately because once the store closes down, that is usually it. toys 'r' us informed employees yesterday it would be closingy p all of its nearly 800 stores in the united states. >> tucker: we hear a lot about the blue wave. you are a blue wave. michigan graduate. lab results show after a year in space, astronaut scott kelly is no longer identical to his twin brother,ti mark. there is a major biological difference between the two of them, what is that difference? lauren? >> their dna is now different.
it is right. >> tucker: their dna can't be different. >> one of them is 2 inches taller now. >> nasa scientists found that his dna had been altered when he came back down to earth.at >> 7% of scott kelly's genes did not return to normal after returning to earth two years ago. the identical twins are no longer completely identical. speak to give it's any consolation, she would have whipped me. you kept your dignity in the face of that onslaught. you are the new winner and you get our eric wemple mug i'm on one side, he's facing waterloo on the other. drink coffee with it with pridee knowing you are the winner. it's great to see you. w i know you'll be back. >> i couldn't keep up. >> tucker: that is it for final exam this week. take pay attention to the news l week and tune in on thursday to
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supposed to talk this way. i didn't think anyone wanted to live in a country where you're judged exclusively on factors you can't control.n' how did we get here? >> that's a good question, because i thought the get was the p color-blind society that people were based on the content of their character not the color of their skin. i guess that's not the case when it comes to the left. this woman who t said they met l their diversity goals, i understand she's a white female. does that mean she's willing to step down for a better qualified woman of color? >> it's never the case. the people implementing this are almost if my experience exclusively white or put themselfel in that same category that won't give up their overpaid low-work jobs to help anyone else. i think it's misleading to say this is just like huff po is the joke obviously or the left that is discredited. this is like universal and corporate america. securely academia. >> i don't want to get into an
american airline plane or delta airline plane and have a company that chose their pilot as opposed to racial diversity as opposed to -- a disproportionately large number of the students that "benefit from lower standards" drop out. you're hurting the very people you're trying to help. why don't we improve k-12 so kids in the inner city graduate and could read, write and compute at grade level. democratic party opposes vouchers b that have been proven to being a better way than the mandated schools they're going to. >> . >> tucker: the less time we >> tucker: the less time we matter like underperforming schools that actually are hurting people of color by the way but no onene seems to care anymore. why is that? >> iff philadelphia, tucker, 40% of the teachers that have school aged kids have them in private schools as opposed to 10%
nationwide. that's the equivalent of opening up a restaurant and putting up a sign saying come onut in but dot eat the food. >> tucker: so this is only about making the ruling class feel good about itself. that seems to be the case otherwise this chloe woman who got a sociology degree from princeton by the way -- which is hilariously meaningless -- she'd be quitting if she really cared. >> i.. guess. really if the democrats really cared about black a people, thed be talking about the large number of black kids that are raised without fathers. it's about 73% now. in 1970, number was 25%. the question, what's caused it to be at tripling of the percentage of black kids who o were born outside of wedlock. the answer in my opinion, tucker, welfare state. what we've done is incentivized women to marry the government and allowed men to abandon their financial and moral responsibility. we'rend not having a national conversation about that. >> tucker: i agree with that completely. larry elder. hope to see you more often on the show. it's always great. >> anytime. anytime. >> tucker: tune in every night
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the cleanup was after the helsinki summit saying he meant to say wouldn't instead of would although in that cleanup the president said it could be others meddling and since then calling the russia story a hoax and investigation rigged. the difference between the president's reluctance to call out russia and the security team's willingness to was noticeable. striking enough to call out this question from dni coats. >> in the run-up to the helsinki summit,s u.s. officials, nato ambassadors to russia said the president would raise the issue of maligned activity with the president. he didn't address that. you said to make the issue of meddling a priority. how do you explain the disconnect between what you are
speech and his officials were so clear in the russia involvement. >> i think the fact the president continues to acknowledge this is exactly why the intel chiefs had to do this. when you have a threat from a foreign adversary, attack, you need the united states to speaker with one voice and that voice usually comes from the president of the united states, to say, this is who we are, this is what our values are. this is important when there is misinformation, part of the attack is a misinformation campaign. the president, consciously or not, is actually doing putin's work for him. he is echoing and amplifying divisive messages putin is hoping to sow and delegitimizing rhetoric. so i think that part of fight willing back is for these intel chiefs is to make this public statement. >> phil, you worked for the cia and fbi in your long career. does it really matter whether or
not the president is echoing what the national security apparatus is saying as long as you have chris wray, dni coats, nielsen, all pointing at russia, saying we're aware of this, working on this, doing everything we can to make sure the sanctity of the voting process remains. >> time-out, anderson. 95% of the americans couldn't name one of the people who spoke today. can't name the national security advisor and can't name the cabinet members. they can name the president of the united states and he has at least two major responsibilities here well beyond the intel that people like me who used to be on the inside would ask him to do. number one, what is the message to vladamir putin after we see this happening only a week after helsinki, the president told vladamir putin why don't you visit the white house. i can tell you the consequences on vladamir putin are nothing. if the russians continue to this, the answer to trump is, sure, i'll go visit the white house and we don't have to talk about it.
one final point and more significant, the domestic message the president has to send, in new york -- you live in new york, anderson, time and time again they say the new york police department and fbi have secret work to do. if you see something say something. the governor and mayor had a message to the people. and the facebook intervention they talked about this week, what has the president said to the american people and who is the messenger to the american people. i don't see one, anderson. >> if this were so important, should the president have been there or echoed this at least tonight saying, you know, i've -- i totally agree with what my intelligence chiefs said and -- as opposed to talking about it as a hoax? >> of course, anderson but it is clear the president does not agree with what the intelligence chiefs are saying. you saw the clip a few moments ago he called this a hoax and they are saying this is a major
danger to the united states. one of the most revealing lines is when john bolton said, the president has made very clear what his priorities are. by that, i think bolton meant he has a priority focusing on russia. in fact, the president has made very clear his priority is not to focus on the russian threat, he only views this through his prism of his own political self-interest. he doesn't care about getting to the root of the russian interference in the 2016 election or in the future, all he cares about is saving his own political skin, which is why he and other senior officials have now taken to referring to the mueller probe as a rigged witch hunt delegitimizing the investigation and essentially doing vladamir putin's work for him. >> i talked to michael hayden and director clapper, all saying having the president be the one on top of all his national security apparatus directing all of their efforts. we heard from each of these people individually. chris wray testified in congress what the fbi is doing to try to
counter-russia in the upcoming election and dni coats and others express concerns. people who worked in intelligence agencies and the fbi all say it is critical for the president to be the one setting the agenda and giving it all a sense of urgency and coordination. do you agree with that? >> absolutely. one of the things after 9/11, in light of the 9/11 commission's recommendations was to break down barriers in terms of sharing intelligence, create the office of the director of national intelligence in order to bring all these different perspectives these agencies have so that good policy can be made. that is made at the top by the president of the united states. many things, covert actions abroad, have to be authorized by him in writing with a finding it's important to national security.
so, in many ways, these agencies cannot act effectively without him getting on board and without him creating a coordinated strategy and tell them exactly what he wants them to do. >> did it jump out to you that he's not fully aware what happened at the summit or talk about it? not understanding or having been reliably been briefed by the president exactly what he said to vladamir putin, i find that surprising. >> it is. let me make this real to you. if there is a conversation between the president and putin about election interference and putin makes specific representations about what he will or will not do. let's take it further, say there's a conversation about syria and russian engagement in syria and putin makes representations to the president. who will verify what putin says to the president?
the director of the national intelligence. the dni coming out of helsinki should be saying, putin said this, mr. president and this is what putin said after speaking about russian interference. instead, what he told us, you just reported to us he doesn't know what happened. >> i have spoken quite a bit about what happened in helsinki, what do you think about what dni coats said? >> it's deeply disturbing. this is a president accused very credibly of colluding with russia in 2016. evidence is piling up including the recent cnn report michael cohen is prepared to testify donald trump knew in advance about the meeting between the russians and the trump campaign. you have a president suspected of working with russia to affect american democracy. the same president is in an off the record meeting with the russian president where nobody including the national security knows what happened. this is not diplomacy as usual,
very unusual and disturbing and worrisome given the unique vulnerability of donald trump to russian pressure. >> thanks very much. next, the revelation of manafort's trial, not how little money he had but how little he had when he went to work for donald trump, riches to rags tail. and you'll hear it when we come back about. also breaking news on alleged spy maria butina. what it might say about how russian intelligence operates in the u.s. but just one can "behr" through it all.
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it was dominated by a prosecution witness that told the jury manafort was in serious financial trouble in 2016 after his lobbying business dried up. that was his long-time bookkeeper full of details. manafort was basically broke when he took the job on the trump campaign. that's interesting. >> he was. he was in serious financial trouble according to the testimony of his bookkeeper. she was on the stand for several hours. she talked about how strapped for cash he was after his lobbying business in ukraine dried up. it was so bad he was in danger of losing his health insurance. in one e-mail said he needed $120,000 urgently to pay some personal bills. we've been talking about this. it was stunning change of fortune for the man buying $15,000 ostrich coats now scrambling for money in 2016. this was also right at the time he joined the trump campaign to work for free and also at a time he helped a bank executive at bank who gave him a loan to get a job with the trump campaign,
too. these are the details prosecutors are putting out for the jury. >> as much as the defense shows the bad guy -- >> her exact quote was he approved every penny of everything we paid. not only that, the bookkeeper describes in details how manafort lied to the banks. prosecutors show a side by side of documents. one where the book keeper told one bank that manafort's company lost more than $1 million in 2016. manafort, he sent the same person at that same bank a different financial statement saying his company actually made $3 million by around the same time period. prosecutors are priming this jury with a lot of evidence for charges to show he committed tax fraud, too. >> and saying now gates will testify. >> they floated will he or won't they, they weren't sure. they finally said they will call gates, today or tomorrow. >> and will manafort testify? that's something the judge
brought up. they want to bring in evidence manafort was ever audited by the irs. the judge said, if you want that evidence or testimony to come in, it would be much better if paul manafort testifies, the next big question. >> appreciate it. still breaking news what that russian woman arrested for conspiracy and acting as a russian agent, forever she acted as charged and some info on her skillset with politician, a hint, she wasn't exactly subtle. what are you learning? >> she wasn't exactly subtle. she is innocent until proven guilty but an alleged russian
spy. she didn't use the kind of spy technology we would expect, communicating on twitter and what's-up, with those her own age and older men. she was so flirtatious, men walked away wondering what her ulterior motive was, what she wanted from them. this gives you the various ways moscow runs its influence operation, that's what experts said when i asked about her spy tactics. look, vladamir putin has a number of seasoned operatives he can plant in the u.s. to run operations for him. he also will tap people like maria butina through other people he knows to gain information and access in the u.s. that's what prosecutors say is going on in this case, anderson. >> did she talk about ties to russian intelligence at any point? >> she did. this is one of the allegations that has come out against her from some of her classmates who wish to remain anonymous, there were a couple instances she
actually was intoxicated according to sources who were familiar with this and talked about her ties to the russian government and talked about her ties to russian intelligence and talked about how she ran a gun rights group from moscow and sort of had the buy-in to russian intelligence. this was so alarming to some people she said it in front of, on two separate instances, her classmates reported it to law enforcement. >> what does her lawyer say? >> he says she was completely innocent, an american university student, not a spy. she's pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiracy as well as acting as a foreign agent in the u.s. but he also said in other interviews he believes sexism and this anti-russian sentiment given the political climate now has tainted the case against her. he hasn't fully made these arguments in court but she's back in september and we will
hear more in the courtroom. more breaking news who robert mueller wants to talk to now in his investigation, a name that goes back to the russians in the campaign and you might be surprised to it. also, there's new insight on whether the president wants to sit down with the special council or not. could there be a method behind the choice legal experts call not a great idea. the legal team weighs in when "360" continues. my car smells good. it's these new fresh-fx car air fresheners from armor all. each scent can create a different mood in my car. like tranquil skies. armor all, it's easy to smell good.
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>> do you think the president wants to sit down or part of a strategy? >> it's probably both. donald trump is nothing if not self-confident. he's testified a lot and given a lot of depositions in civil cases. he's mostly done better than badly in those cases. >> everybody focuses on the tim o'brien case in the "new york times" but actually done well. >> he's never been charged with perjury in what he said in those depositions. he has done well. most of those cases have wound upsetting rather than going to a resolution. i think he's confident in handling a deposition. i think it's part of his brand not to be afraid of anything. i think he wants to be perceived as someone who has nothing to hide and will testify. i think there is really, at least a measure of candor in what he's saying that he does want to testify. >> this seems to be how donald
trump has approached a lot of situations in his life believing he can -- if he talks to somebody he can convince them. he can be very charming when he wants to be. is that something he's had all his life? >> it absolutely is a quality he's exhibited all of his life. i only found really one example of an interview where he just couldn't bring anybody around, and it was one of the early ones he did with "time" magazine. he bumped into a reporter who actually reminded me temperamentally what people say about robert mueller. he was a pretty upstanding straight ahead guy and trump just couldn't win him over. for the most part, he is able to win people over. he gets them relaxed and charms them and i think he even surprises them when he's not super aggressive.
he could attempt that. as mentioned he has experience testifying in depositions. he even images himself as a lawyer himself he has spent so much time with attorneys he feels expert. >> if there is an interview with mueller, there's not going to be a judge there. he can filibuster. you've interviewed the then candidate trump, he talks and talks and that could eat up practically the whole interview. i think he knows that. just a prosecutor sitting there is not going to be able to say to him, stop talking. he is in many respects going to be able to control what happens if there is an interview. again, that doesn't mean it's necessarily a good idea for him. he has a lot of tools at his disposal. >> i spoke to alan dershowitz last night, saying he always tries to get clients not to do an interview in this situation, it's a perjury trap waiting to happen.
if you're not lying, how is it a perjury trap? >> a perjury trap has always been a meaningless expression to me. if you tell the truth, you're not going to be perjured? dershowitz says if there's somebody else who believes they're telling the truth, a different version of events what the president is saying prosecutors can go with that person's version. > have too much respect for mueller that they would simply bring some sort of action. remember, there's not going to be a criminal prosecution out of here. all that's going to come out of this is some sort of report. the mere fact that two people have different recollections of an event does not create an create a perjury trap. that happens all the time. the fact that there's a legal trap is a bogus argument. >> according to the "times," if the president sits down with them he can convince them their own inquiry is a witch hunt and obviously shows confidence in his own ability to sway people. >> of course, he's ever
consecutive. i think in this case the stakes are much higher than the stakes he's faced in any litigation prior. there is that factor to consider. believe it or not he does imagine himself to be the actual president of the united states. he doesn't act like it a lot. he does, i think, have in mind his legacy. that could move him to resist ultimately cooperating as much as robert mueller would have him cooperate. he's going to be more careful than usual, uncharacteristically careful, i think. >> remember, too, what i think he's really trying to convince is the public, not so much the mueller people. he's been pretty effective. look how republicans have shifted over the course of the mueller investigation.
his people have come around on mueller to feeling it's a witch hunt. i don't think he really believes he will convince mueller he's engaged in a witch hunt, i do think he believes at least his supporters will feel that way if they don't already. >> lastly, i want to ask you about the reporting that the mueller team is seeking to interview this russian pop star behind the introductions setting up the trump tower meeting. how likely is that it that would actually happen? why would some russian citizen do that? the pop star who is the person that engineered the infamous tower meeting. he spends a lot of time in the united states and grew up in new jersey. he's english. he will not get within a mile of this. his father, who financed the miss universe in moscow in 2013, he will stay farther away. i'm not surprised the mueller team is trying to get to them but i wouldn't hold their breath.
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what they told us was quite interesting. waiting in line in a driving rain, very motivated trump supporters, wanting to see the president in person in wilkes-barry, pennsylvania. >> we are q. >> reporter: some of those people wearing and holding the 17th letter of the alphabet. >> reporter: you're holding a red, white and blue q. why do you have it? >> it's shift. >> reporter: you are wearing a shirt that says -- >> it means where we go one we go all. >> q anon is the people that believe in what trump's trying to do to change our country. >> reporter: that is a generalization. more specifically what q anon is, is a fringe movement in which many baseless conspiracy theories are discussed on the internet, organized on the idea of anonymous but well-connected persons nicknamed q. >> your shirt says the storm is here.
what does that mean to you? >> i've been following the posts since october 28th. >> reporter: on the internet. the person other persons who say they're q. >> right. >> what is q? >> an entity of 10 or less people that have -- >> a problem with the government? >> have high security clearance. >> reporter: how do you know that? >> i'm telling you this is what i appears to be. >> appears to be. this is what you're guessing. >> you don't have proof there isn't. >> we've all been gathering online talking as americans and uniting. >> reporter: do you think it makes you comfortable talking with other frustrated people? >> yes. >> reporter: maybe there's no evidence of it. stuff talked about it on the internet. >> there hasn't been
non-evidence yet? >> reporter: and a major this is press is the enemy. you don't believe in the first amendment? >> i do. you guys are weaponized. >> reporter: what is that? i don't know anybody in the cia except a couple people over the years. what does it mean? >> conspiracy theorists. >> reporter: do you think i'm weaponized by the cia? >> maybe not to your knowledge. that's unfortunate. >> reporter: you believe there is a deep state? >> yes. >> reporter: what do you think that deep state is doing? running this country? >> i think they were and they're petrified now because they're losing their control. >> reporter: donald trump is the president. he's running the country, right? >> yeah. he's having to fight against them. >> reporter: he said he could do it all himself. you think he's fighting with the deep state a year and a half in his term? >> i think he was fighting before he was elected. >> reporter: who is in the deep state? >> the clinton and bushes and obamas. >> reporter: you think the clintons and bushes and obamas are running this country as we stand here in the rain? >> no. they're trying. >> reporter: the anonymous q is
a hero to many, one man hoping to believe in q looking straight into our camera. is it possible you're believing in bogus information? >> let's see, q, let's see. >> did you get large numbers of people lining up at the rally support the q? what sort of numbers did you see? >> reporter: i don't think there were large numbers, anderson. a lot of people we talked to had no idea what it was. other people wanted to see donald trump and other people wanted to see the president of the united states with their children. it seems like a relatively small number. i will tell you it's catching on and i would anticipate at future rallies we will see more people holding big qs and clothes with qs on them. >> do they think the president supports q anon. >> reporter: sarah sanders was asked about it and did not give any indication at all the president supports it. each and every person i talked to who follows this does believe
donald trump is a supporter even though he hasn't said so. >> appreciate you being there. joining me now is will summer, reporter for "the daily beast" writing for q non since its inception. do you have any idea how many people believe ins the conspiracy theories? i certainly don't want to paint people -- >> they were saying it's relatively small number of people who went to this rally. hard to tell how many people believe in it. you wouldn't want to say everyone at the rally, a diehard trump supporter. at the same time, the numbers at these rallies we're seeing, maybe a couple dozen believers. that's pretty bizarre in april there was a rally in d.c., a
couple hundred people showed up. they were chanting the qanon slogans. you know, whatever it is, did is remarkable that so many people have become convinced of this. >> from what i understand, they have people believing the qanon thing. have a different belief in what the robert mueller investigation actually is? >> yes. they have come to believe that robert mueller is in league with trump and an ally of his, and it's a ruse to cover up that he's really investigating hillary clinton or barack obama. >> why would trump be attacking the mueller investigation? >> that's all part of the ruse? >> i understand a rival to q has now emerged. people who go by the letter r? >> q kind of disappeared in july, his followers are very devoted. they were left bereft and
someone named r showed up. they said, maybe this is the new guy to follow. and they posited that r was jfk jr. who died nearly 2 decades ago. >> does this have anything to do with the pizza gate foekds? there are republicans that hillary clinton and others are running a pedophile ring in a pizza parlor in the basement? >> absolutely. a key part of qanon is not just that trump is fighting against the deep state or the clintons. he's fighting against global pedestrian fire networks all over the world. they have no evidence for this, it's crazy stuff. >> i understand that some people believe that the president has
given them secret signs that the way he holds his hand or puts some fingers together he's forming the letter q during speeches? >> yes, they're obsessed with getting some sort of validation from trump that q is real. they'll look at videos and saying, maybe he's moving his hand in a way that he's mentioning q. they've been asking a lot of white house reporters to ask trump about q. they seem to feel that this if trump was asked about it, they're convinced he would say, oh, yeah, it's all real. >> does anyone seem to know who the person q actually is. or if it's a -- one person or groups of people? >> q's identity is very mysterious. maybe a foreign operative, there's a lot of theorys going around. really nothing that i think is worth considering.
i think perhaps it's just a troll or a couple trolls in the basement somewhere and this whole thing has gotten out of hand. >> can you explain again the core belief. the whole international pedophile ring linked with the deep state. and robert mueller is >> yeah, it's very confusing. i mean sort of the -- and it's constantly growing. something will happen in the news and they'll claim, oh, the deep state tried to shoot down air force one. sort of the gist of it is that trump has teamed up with the military and sort of various virtuous world leaders, including vladimir putin and kim jong-un to take on this global cabal of democrats and hollywood elites and bankers and all this kind of stuff, who they claim are essentially responsible for all the evil in the world and soon trump will have all these people arrested. >> william sommer, i appreciate your reporting. fascinating stuff. i want to check in with chris to see what he's working on for "cuomo prime time" at the top of the hour. >> like every other fringe group, they can believe whatever they want. it's what they do in the name of
those beliefs that raises concern just like fringe groups on the left and others on the right. that was a good interview to have. we're going to be taking on the news tonight from a legal and a political perspective. we've got governor kasich on the show. we've got former a.g. mukasey on the show. we're going to be testing out different theories of what's going on with the russia probe and what needs to happen in the next set of elections. then we're going to take a look at what the pope said about the death penalty and what it means to be pro-life and how a lot of people who may think they're pro-life may not meet the standard according to the pope. >> interesting. about 8 1/2 minutes from now. up next, the search is on for this man who police say shot and killed a famed cardiologist. according to investigators, he held a grudge against the doctor, carried out a brazen execution on a bicycle in broad daylight. the police are looking for information about this person. more details ahead in a moment. ♪ you shouldn't be rushed into booking a hotel. with expedia's add-on advantage,
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there's a manhunt in houston, texas, tonight. police are looking for a man accused of killing a renowned cardiologist who once performed surgery on george h.w. bush. the doctor was gunned down on his way to work at a hospital. he and the gunman were both riding bicycles. when their paths crossed, the gunman opened fire. this is the suspect caught on surveillance video moments before the deadly attack. with more on the manhunt and the crime, here's cnn's ed lavandera. >> reporter: houston investigators say as soon as joseph pappas suspected that investigators were closing in on him, he jumped on his ten-speed schwinn bicycle, pedaled away from his neighborhood, and disappeared. police chief art acevedo says there's a sense of urgency to capture the 62-year-old murder suspect. >> he's in great shape. he's a great marksman, and he's a great danger. so let's hope that somebody knows where he's at and calls us. >> reporter: investigators believe pappas' motive for killing dr. mark hausknecht was
a grudge he's held for more than 20 years. that's when the suspect's mother died during surgery while being operated on by hausknecht. on the morning of july 20th, dr. hausknecht was riding his bicycle down this sidewalk. his wife said investigators told her that the gunman emerged from this scaffolding head-on and fired at him three times. it was a brazen attack. it occurred at the height of morning rush hour on this busy street. perhaps the gunfire was muzzled by the sounds coming from this construction site. but police say it was a well thought out and planned attack. so much so that it allowed the gunman to ride away on his own bicycle this way as if nothing had happened. chief acevedo tells cnn evidence found inside pappas' home shows the murder was painstakingly planned. >> this man was actually studying this doctor, studying what he was doing for a while, and it took great planning and ultimately great skill to do what he did.
and i'm just thankful that we now know who he is and now with the help of the public and our great investigators, we'll find him. one way or the other, we're going to find him. >> reporter: joseph pappas spent 30 years working in law enforcement as a constable in houston. he started a real estate business several years ago. >> that's where he paid our bill. >> reporter: joe donaldson owns a legal courier business and he says he spoke to joseph pappas just before the murder. pappas hired donaldson to file legal documents in a houston courthouse. the documents transferred the deed for his houston home to a woman in ohio. donaldson says after leaving, pappas called him multiple times that morning to make sure the documents were filed. >> he was very nervous. he opened the door to a crack looking out. then he opened it a little more. then he opened it fully and was looking up and down the street, seeing if anyone else was there. >> reporter: for days joseph pappas stayed around his houston home. one neighborhood even says he was seen mowing his lawn this
past sunday morning before disappearing when police first checked on his home on tuesday night. >> ed joins us now from houston. what are investigators worried about given his law enforcement background? >> reporter: multiple things. he might try to, you know, carry out a similar attack or want to -- you know, he's very skilled at being able to handle the firearm, that sort of thing. but one of the other concerns is he might somehow still have access to police radio scanners and be able to monitor the manhunt for him. the police chief here in houston tells me that that is one thing they are concerned about and that they're looking into it and how they handle the search for him. >> and they're assuming he's still armed and dangerous? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. the police chief says that, you know, no reason to believe he isn't armed and dangerous at this point given what he's already done. the other thing is that they have talked to somebody close to pappas, who told police that he received a text from pappas several days ago that he might
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do it. as you said, he defended his summit with putin in helsinki and said the russians are unhappy he's the president of the united states when vladamir putin admitted at the summit he wanted donald trump to win. there's this huge disconnect. we could all feel it in the briefing room earlier today and why you saw so many reporters asking that question. yes, i'm sure it was very assuring to a lot of americans out there to hear the director of national intelligence, fbi director, of homeland security to say they're on the case. looming over everything in the room is the fact the president has said all sorts of things to diminish the russian threat in the past. he just said it could be other countries, not just russia. that's so opposite what we heard from his top officials at that briefing. >> and it was just yesterday sarah palin called the investigation into russia a hoax, wasn't it? >> that's right. she echoed what the president
saw these things how they're going to try to stop russia meddling in the 2018 mid-terms. you heard the fbi director and homeland security secretary all saying there are these new initiatives and task forces aimed at stopping cyber attacks on our democracy. what was missing in all of this was to have the president of the united states, to have an anonymous official to say the president sent them out there. i don't think that's good enough. when the president had this opportunity this evening to say, i did this, i sent these officials out there, we will stop this. he didn't do it. another opportunity missed? thanks. joining us now, max boot and cnn legal and security analyst and phil, former senior official at the fbi and cia. it is interesting this
disconnect that took placey the president reit -- place, the president reiterated in his speech and his officials were so clear in the russia involvement. >> i think the fact the president continues to acknowledge this is exactly why the intel chiefs had to do this. when you have a threat from a foreign adversary, attack, you need the united states to speaker with one voice and that voice usually comes from the president of the united states, to say, twhois we are, this is what our values are. this is important when there is misinformation, part of the attack is a misinformation campaign. the president, consciously or not, is actually doing putin's work for him. he is echoing and amplifying divisive messages putin is hoping to sew and delegitimizing rhetoric. port of that is to make this public statement. >> phil, you worked for the cia
and fbi in your long career. does it really matter whether or not the president is echoing what the national security apparatus is saying as long as you have chris wray, dni coats, nielsen, all pointing at russia, saying we're aware of this, working on this, doing everything we can to make sure the sanctity of the voting process remains. >> time-out, anderson. 95% of the americans couldn't name one of the people who spoke today. can't name the national security advisor and can't name the cabinet members. they can name the president of the united states and he has at least two major responsibilities here well beyond the intel that people like me who used to be on the inside would ask him to do. number one, what is the message to vladamir putin after we see this happening only a week after helsinki, the president told vladamir putin why don't you visit the white house. i can tell you the consequences on vladamir putin are nothing. if the russians continue to
this, the answer to trump is, sure, i'll go visit the white house and we don't have to talk about it. >> one more significant thing, the domestic thing the president has to send, you live in new york, anderson, time and time again they say the new york police department and fbi have secret work to do. if you see something say something. the governor and mayor had a message to the people. and the facebook intervention they talked about this week, what has the president said to the american people and who is the messenger to the american people. i don't see one, anderson. >> next, if this were so important, should the president have been there or echoed this at least tonight saying, i totally glacier with what my intelligence chief said opposed to saying, talking about a hoax? >> of course, anderson but it is clear the president does not agree with what the intelligence chiefs are saying. you saw the clip a few moments
ago he called this a hoax and they are saying this is a major danger to the united states. one of the most revealing lines is when john bolton said, the president has made very clear what his priorities are. by that, i think bolton meant he has a priority focusing on russia. in fact, the president has made very clear his priority is not to focus on the russian threat, he only views this through his political self-interest. he doesn't care about getting to the root of the russian interference in the 2016 election or in the future, all he cares about is saving his own political skin, which is why he and other senior officials have now taken to referring to the mueller probe as a rigged witch hunt delegitimizing the investigation and essentially doing vladamir putin's work for him. >> i talked to michael hayden and director clapper, all saying having the president be the one on top of all his national
security apparatus directing all of their efforts. we heard from each of these people individually. chris wray testified in congress what the fbi is doing to try to counter-russia in the upcoming election and dni coats and others express concerns. people who worked in intelligence agencies and the fbi all say it is critical for the president to be the one setting the agenda and giving it all a sense of urgency and coordination. do you agree with that? >> absolutely. one of the things after 9/11, in light of the 9/11 commission's recommendations was to break down barriers in terms of sharing intelligence, create the office of the director of national intelligence in order to bring all these different perspectives these agencies have so that good policy can be made. that is made at the top by the president of the united states. many things, covert actions abroad, have to be authorized by him in writing with a finding
it's important to national security. so, in many ways, these agencies cannot act effectively without him getting on board and without him creating a coordinated strategy and tell them exactly what he wants them to do. >> did it jump out to you that he's not fully wear what happened at the summit or talk about it? not understanding or having been reliably been briefed by the president exactly what he said to vladamir putin, i find that surprising. >> it is. let me make this real to you. if there is a conversation between the president and putin about election interference and putin makes specific representations about what he will or will not do. let's take it further, say there's a conversation about syria and russian engagement in syria and putin makes representations to the president. who will verify what putin says
to the president? the director of the national intelligence. the dni coming out of helsinki should be saying, putin said this, mr. president and this is what putin said after speaking about russian interference. instead, what he told us, you just reported to us he doesn't know what happened. >> i have spoken quite a bit about what happened in helsinki, what do you think about what dni coats said? >> it's deeply disturbing. this is a president accused very credibly of colluding with russia in 2016. evidence is piling up including the recent cnn report michael cohen is prepared to testify donald trump knew in advance about the meeting between the russians and the trump campaign. you have a president suspected of working with russia to affect american democracy.
the same president is in an off the record meeting with the russian president where nobody including the national security knows what happened. this is not diplomacy as usual, very unusual and disturbing and worrisome given the unique vulnerability of donald trump to russian pressure. >> thanks very much. next, the revelation of manafort's trial, not how little money he had but how little he had when he went to work for donald trump, riches to rags tail. and info on butina and her trade craft and how russian intelligence operates in the u.s. today... back pain can't win. now introducing aleve back and muscle pain. only aleve targets tough pain
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breaking news tonight, day three of the paul manafort trial over. a witness said manafort was in trouble in 2016 after his lobbying business dried up. that was his long-time bookkeeper full of details. manafort was basically broke when he took the job on the trump campaign. that's interesting. >> he was. he was in serious financial trouble according to the testimony of his bookkeeper. she was on the stand for several hours. she talked about how strapped for cash he was after his lobbying business in ukraine dried up. it was so bad he was in danger of losing his health insurance. in one e-mail said he needed $120,000 urgently to pay some personal bills. we've been talking about this. it was stunning change of fortune for the man buying $15,000 ostrich coats now scrambling for money in 2016. this was also right at the time he joined the trump campaign to work for free and also at a time
he helped a bank executive at bank who gave him a loan to get a job with the trump campaign, too. these are the details prosecutors are putting out for the jury. >> as much as the defense shows the bad guy -- >> her exact quote was he approved every penny of everything we paid. not only that, the bookkeeper describes in details how manafort lied to the banks. prosecutors show a side by side of documents. one where the book keeper told one bank that manafort's company lost more than $1 million in 2016. manafort, he sent the same person at that same bank a different financial statement saying his company actually made $3 million by around the same time period. prosecutors are priming this jury with a lot of evidence for charges to show he committed tax
fraud, too. >> and saying now gates will testify. >> they floated will he or won't they, they weren't sure. they finally said they will call gates, today or tomorrow. >> and will manafort testify? that's something the judge brought up. they want to bring in evidence manafort was ever audited by the irs. the judge said, if you want that evidence or testimony to come in, it would be much better if paul manafort testifies, the next big question. >> appreciate it. still breaking news what that russian woman arrested for conspiracy and acting as a russian agent, forever she acted as charged and some info on her skillset with politician, a hint, she wasn't exactly subtle. what are you learning? >> she wasn't exactly subtle.
she is innocent until proven guilty but an alleged russian spy. she didn't use the kind of spy technology we would expect, communicating on twitter and what's-up, with those her own age and older men. she was so flirtatious, men walked away wondering what her ulterior motive was, what she wanted from them. this gives you the various ways moscow runs its influence operation, that's what experts said when i asked about her spy tactics. look, vladamir putin has a number of seasoned operatives he can plant in the u.s. to run operations for him. he also will tap people like maria butina through other people he knows to gain information and access in the u.s. that's what prosecutors say is going on in this case, anderson. >> did she talk about ties to russian intelligence at any point? >> she did. this is one of the allegations
her. he hasn't fully made these arguments in court but she's back in september and we will hear more in the courtroom. more breaking news who robert mueller wants to talk to now in his investigation, a name that goes back to the russians in the campaign and you might be surprised to it. and news whether the president really wants to sit down with special counsel or not. could there be a method behind the choice legal experts call not a great idea. the legal team weighs in when "360" continues.
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two views why that may be and how that may play out by jeffrey toobin and biographer, michael d'antoni. >> do you think the president wants to sit down or part of a strategy? >> it's probably both. donald trump is nothing if not self-confident. he's testified a lot and given a lot of depositions in civil cases. he's mostly done better than badly in those cases. >> everybody focuses on the tim o'brien case in the "new york times" but actually done well. >> he's never been charged with perjury in what he said in those depositions. he has done well. most of those cases have wound upsetting rather than going to a resolution. i think he's confident in handling a deposition. i think it's part of his brand not to be afraid of anything. i think he wants to be perceived as someone who has nothing to hide and will testify. i think there is really, at least a measure of candor in
what he's saying that he does want to testify. >> this seems to be how donald trump has approached a lot of situations in his life believing he can -- if he talks to somebody he can convince them. he can be very charming when he wants to be. is that something he's had all his life? >> it absolutely is a quality he's exhibited all of his life. i only found really one example of an interview where he just couldn't bring anybody around, and it was one of the early ones he did with "time" magazine. he bumped into a reporter who actually reminded me temperamentally what people say about robert mueller. he was a pretty upstanding straight ahead guy and trump just couldn't win him over. for the most part, he is able to win people over. he gets them relaxed and charms them and i think he even
surprises them when he's not super aggressive. he could attempt that. as mentioned he has experience testifying in depositions. he even images himself as a lawyer himself he has spent so much time with attorneys he feels expert. >> if there is an interview with mueller, there's not going to be a judge there. he can filibuster. you've interviewed the then candidate trump, he talks and talks and that could eat up practically the whole interview. i think he knows that. just a prosecutor sitting there is not going to be able to say to him, stop talking. he is in many respects going to be able to control what happens if there is an interview. again, that doesn't mean it's necessarily a good idea for him. he has a lot of tools at his disposal. >> i spoke to alan dershowitz last night, saying he always tries to get clients not to do
an interview in this situation, it's a perjury trap waiting to happen. if you're not lying, how is it a perjury trap? >> a perjury trap has always been a meaningless expression to me. if you tell the truth, you're not going to be perjured? dershowitz says if there's somebody else who believes they're telling the truth, a different version of events what the president is saying prosecutors can go with that person's version. > have too much respect for mueller that they would simply bring some sort of action. remember, there's not going to be a criminal prosecution out of here. all that's going to come out of this is some sort of report. the mere fact that two people have different recollections of an event does not create an approximate perjury trap. that -- create a perjury trap. that happens all the time. the fact that there's a legal trap is a bogus argument.
>> according to the "times," if the president sits down with them he can convince them their own inquiry is a witch hunt and obviously shows confidence in his own ability to sway people. >> of course, he's ever consecutive. i think in this case the stakes are much higher than the stakes he's faced in any litigation prior. there is that factor to consider. believe it or not he does imagine himself to be the actual president of the united states. he doesn't act like it a lot. he does, i think, have in mind his legacy. that could move him to resist ultimately cooperating as much as robert mueller would have him cooperate. he's going to be more careful than usual, uncharacteristically careful, i think. >> remember, too, what i think he's really trying to convince is the public, not so much the mueller people. he's been pretty effective. look how republicans have shifted over the course of the
mueller investigation. his people have come around on mueller to feeling it's a witch hunt. i don't think he really believes he will convince mueller he's engaged in a witch hunt, i do think he believes at least his supporters will feel that way if they don't already. >> lastly, i want to ask you about the reporting that the mueller team is seeking to interview this russian pop star behind the introductions setting up the trump tower meeting. how likely is that it that would actually happen? why would some russian citizen do that? the pop star who is the person that engineered the infamous tower meeting. he spends a lot of time in the united states and grew up in new jersey. he's english. he will not get within a mile of this. his father, who financed the
miss universe in moscow in 2013, he will stay farther away. i'm not surprised the mueller team is trying to get to them but i wouldn't hold their breath. >> as we mentioned, president trump is on the campaign trail again, on the rally with a crowd where people who believe in conspiracy theories, call themselves q anon. we'll hear what they have to say. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase sensimist relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. and all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. flonase sensimist.
streaming out. many people arriving early this morning waiting in line. we wanted to see if the people who followed this movement wanted to talk to us. we found they did want to talk to us. what they told us was quite interesting. waiting in line in a driving rain, very motivated trump supporters, wanting to see the president in person in wilkes-barry, pennsylvania. >> we are q. >> reporter: some of those people wearing and holding the 17th letter of the alphabet. >> reporter: you're holding a red, white and blue q. why do you have it? >> it's shift. >> reporter: you are wearing a shirt that says -- >> it means where we go one we go all. >> q anon is the people that believe in what trump's trying to do to change our country. >> reporter: that is a generalization. more specifically what q anon is, is a fringe movement in which many baseless conspiracy theories are discussed on the internet, organized on the idea of anonymous but well-connected
persons nicknamed q. >> your shirt says the storm is here. what does that mean to you? >> i've been following the posts since october 28th. >> reporter: on the internet. the person other persons who say they're q. >> right. >> what is q? >> an entity of 10 or less people that have -- >> a problem with the government? >> have high security clearance. >> reporter: how do you know that? >> i'm telling you this is what i appears to be. >> appears to be. this is what you're guessing. >> you don't have proof there isn't. >> we've all been gathering online talking as americans and uniting. >> reporter: do you think it makes you comfortable talking with other frustrated people? >> yes. >> reporter: maybe there's no evidence of it. stuff talked about it on the internet. >> there hasn't been non-evidence yet? >> reporter: and a major this is
press is the enemy. you don't believe in the first amendment? >> i do. you guys are weaponized. >> reporter: what is that? i don't know anybody in the cia except a couple people over the years. what does it mean? >> conspiracy theorists. >> reporter: do you think i'm weaponized by the cia? >> maybe not to your knowledge. that's unfortunate. >> reporter: you believe there is a deep state? >> yes. >> reporter: what do you think that deep state is doing? running this country? >> i think they were and petrified now because they're losing control. >> reporter: donald trump is the president. he's running the country, right? >> yeah. he's having to fight against them. >> reporter: he said he could do it all himself. you think he's fighting with the deep state a year and a half in his term? >> i think he was fighting before he was elected. >> reporter: who is in the deep state? >> the clinton and bushes and obamas. >> reporter: you think the clintons and bushes and obamas are running this country
standing in the rain? >> no. trying. >> reporter: the anonymous q is a hero to many, one man hoping to believe in q looking straight into our camera. is it possible you're believing in bo dus information? >> let's see, q, let's see. >> did you get large numbers of people lining up at the rally support the q? what sort of numbers did you see? >> reporter: i don't think there were large numbers, anderson. a lot of people we talked to had no idea what it was. other people wanted to see donald trump and other people wanted to see the president of the united states with their children. it seems like a relatively small number. i will tell you it's catching on and i would anticipate at future rallies we will see more people holding big qs and clothes with ks qs on them.
>> do they think the president supports q anon. >> reporter: sarah sanders was asked about it and did not give any indication at all the president supports it. each and every person i talked to who follows this does believe donald trump is a supportereen though he hasn't said so. >> appreciate you being there. joining me now is will summer, reporter for "the daily beast" writing for q non
gate into this giant conspiracy theory. >> i understand that some people believe that the president has given smthem secret signs like e way he holds his hand or puts some fingers together, he's forming the letter "q" during speeches. is that right? >> yeah. they're obsessed with, as we saw in the video, getting some sort of validation from trump that q is real. so they'll look at videos and say maybe he's moving his hand in a way that's like a q, or if he mentions the number 17, which of course q is the 17th letter in the alphabet, they see that as a sign. they've been asking a lot of white house reporters to ask trump about q. it doesn't seem like anyone has taken them up on their offers, but they seem to feel that if trump was asked about it, they're convinced he would say, oh, yeah, it's all real. >> does anyone seem to know who the person q actually is or if it is one person or if it's groups of people? >> q's identity right now is very mysterious. whether it's one person, a group of people, you know, maybe a foreign operative. you know, there's a lot of theories going around but really nothing that i think is worth
considering. you know, i think perhaps it's maybe just a troll or a couple trolls in a basement somewhere and this whole thing has gotten out of hand. >> can you just explain again the core belief because the whole international pedophile ring linked with the deep state and robert mueller is actually working with president trump. i mean it's all, you know, outlandish. >> yeah, it's very confusing. i mean sort of the -- and it's constantly growing. something will happen in the news and they'll claim, oh, the deep state tried to shoot down air force one. sort of the gist of it is that trump has teamed up with the military and sort of various virtuous world leaders, including vladimir putin and kim jong-un to take on this global cabal of democrats and hollywood elites and bankers and all this kind of stuff, who they claim are essentially responsible for all the evil in the world and soon trump will have all these people arrested. >> william sommer, i appreciate your reporting. fascinating stuff. i want to check in with chris to see what he's working on for "cuomo prime time" at the top of the hour.
like every other fringe group, they can believe whatever they want. it's what they do in the name of those beliefs that raises concern just like fringe groups on the left and others on the right. that was a good interview to have. we're going to be taking on the news tonight from a legal and a political perspective. we've got governor kasich on the show. we've got former a.g. mukasey on the show. we're going to be testing out different theories of what's going on with the russia probe and what needs to happen in the next set of elections. then we're going to take a look at what the pope said about the death penalty and what it means to be pro-life and how a lot of people who may think they're pro-life may not meet the standard according to the pope. >> interesting. about 8 1/2 minutes from now. up next, the search is on for this man who police say shot and killed a famed cardiologist according to investigators, he held a grudge against the doctor, carried out a brazen execution on a bicycle in broad daylight. the police are looking for information about this person. more details ahead in a moment.
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there's a manhunt in houston, texas, tonight. police are looking for a man accused of killing a renowned cardiologist who once performed surgery on george h.w. bush. the doctor was gunned down on his way to work at a hospital. he and the gunman were both riding bicycles. when their paths crossed, the gunman opened fire. with more on the manhunt and the crime, here's cnn's ed lafen dara. >> reporter: houston investigators say as soon as joseph pappas suspected that investigators were closing in on him, he jumped on his ten-speed sha win bicycle, peddled away from his neighborhood, and disaer pad. police chief art acevedo says there's a sense of urgency to capture the 62-year-old murder suspect. >> he's in great shape. he's a great marksman, and he's a great danger. so let's hope that somebody knows where he's at and calls
us. >> reporter: investigators believe pappas' motive for killing dr. mark hausknecht was a grudge he's held for more than 20 years. that's when the suspect's mother died during surgery while being operated on by hausknecht. on the morning of july 20th, dr. hausknecht was riding his bicycle down this sidewalk. his wife said investigators told her that the gunman emerged from this scaffolding head-on and fired at him three times. it was a brazen attack. it occurred at the height of morning rush hour on this busy street. perhaps the gunfire was muzzled by the sounds coming from this construction site. but police say it was a well thought out and planned attack. so much so that it allowed the gunman to ride away on his own bicycle this way as if nothing had happened. chief acevedo tells cnn evidence found inside pappas' home shows the murder was painstakingly planned. >> this man was actually studying this doctor, studying what he was doing for a while,
and it took great planning and ultimately great skill to do what he did. and i'm just thankful that we now know who he is and now with the help of the public and our great investigators, we'll find him. one way or the other, we're going to find him. >> reporter: joseph pappas spent 30 years working in law enforcement as a constable in houston. he started a real estate business several years ago. >> that's where he paid our bill. >> reporter: joe donaldson owns a legal courier business and he says he spoke to joseph pappas just before the murder. pappas hired donaldson to file legal documents in a houston courthouse. the documents transferred the deed for his houston home to a woman in ohio. donaldson says after leaving, pappas called him multiple times that morning to make sure the documents were filed. >> he was very nervous. he opened the door to a crack looking out. then he opened it a little more. then he opened it fully and was looking up and down the street, seeing if anyone else was there. >> reporter: for days joseph pappas stayed around his houston
home. one neighborhood even says he was seen mowing his lawn this past sunday morning before disappearing when police first checked on his home on tuesday night. >> ed joins us now from houston. what are investigators worried about given his law enforcement background? >> reporter: multiple things. he might try to, you know, carry out a similar attack or want to -- you know, he's very skilled at being able to handle the firearm, that sort of thing. but one of the other concerns is he might somehow still have access to police radio scanners and be able to monitor the manhunt for him. the police chief here in houston tells me that that is one thing they are concerned about and that they're looking into it and how they handle the search for him. >> and they're assuming he's still armed and dangerous? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. the police chief says that, you know, no reason to believe he isn't armed and dangerous at this point given what he's already done. the other thing is that they have talked to somebody close to
was actually dictated by president trump himself, saying this, we primarily discussed a program about the adoption of russian children. with no mention of dirt on hillary clinton. it wasn't until "the new york times" was going to break the story that trump junior was promised damaging information on clinton back in july of last year. that was "the new york times" reporting. at the time, trump junior and the trump team started changing their tune, saying the promise of damaging information turned into mainly an adoption conversation. >> they get into the meeting, and it quickly turns a pretext for russian adoption, according to his statement. the comments are about any type of information on hillary clinton were vague, meaningless. >> as you can see from the e-mails, the pretext of the meeting was, hey, we have information. there was some small talk. i don't even remember what it was. it was sort of nonsensical.
then it quickly went on to, you know, a story about russian adoption and how we could possibly help. >> there was nothing as far as we know that would lead anyone to believe there was anything except for a discussion about adoption. >> all right. this change comes as sources tell cnn the president is concerned about his son becoming entangled in the russia probe. cnn's white house correspondent boris sanchez is in new jersey near the president's golf resort, where he is staying for his working vacation. so we know this meeting is of interest to the mueller team. what is the white house position on this latest trump approach? >> reporter: hey there, fred. yeah, another denial from the trump administration. the president responding to this reporting from cnn that indicates he's not only worried and concerned for his son and his son-in-law and the legal implications of this russia probe but that he's agitated enough to aggressively attack the special counsel. several sources telling cnn that's part of the reason the president has become so
aggressive toward robert mueller over the past several weeks. the president this morning denying that reporting on twitter. here's a tweet that he sent out. he writes, quote, fake news reporting a complete fabrication that i'm concerned about the meeting my wonderful son donald had in trump tower. this was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics, and it went nowhere. i did not know about it. of course, in that tweet there's no mention of adoption, which was the official story that we got from the white house when asked what the purpose of that meeting was. and when the white house legal team was pressed, they told us and the american that the president had no involvement in the crafting of that adoption story. a short while later through sources, we learn that the president actually dictated that statement put out by donald trump jr. today it was one of his attorneys that led that denial, acknowledging he was wrong. listen to this. >> i had bad information at that
point. i made a mistake in my statement. i talked about that before. that happens when you have cases like this. as far as when did we correct it, the important part is the information that we've shared with the office of special counsel, i'm not going to get into the details, but we were very clear as to the situation involving that trip and the statements that were made to "the new york times." so i think it's very important to point out that in a situation like this, you have, over time, facts develop. that's what investigations do. i agreed to go on your network and others days within being retained on this and had a lot of information to process. i got that one wrong. >> reporter: now, despite calls from the president for this russia investigation to end, every indication is that it will continue. last week cnn reported that special counsel robert mueller is interested in hearing more from people that were in that trump tower meeting, including
that russian pop singer whose father is a russian oligarch with deep ties to vladimir putin. he helped facilitate that meeting. what we're hearing from sources is the special counsel has been involved in ongoing conversations for over a year to try to set up a meeting with that russian pop star, fred. >> all right, boris sanchez. thanks so much. so what does all of this mean for the russia investigation? joining me right now, cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor michael zeldin, cnn political analyst and congressional reporter for "the washington post", karoun. good to see you all. we just heard from jay sekulow there, one of trump's attorneys saying he misspoke in previous statements. he's also now questioning the meeting's overall legality. take a listen. >> the question is how would it be illegal? the real question here is would a meeting of that nature
constitute a violation, the meeting itself violate the law. there are irregularities in this investigation, the likes of which we have not seen. so michael, you first. a few things there from jay sekulow. kind of sounds like he's falling on the sword, saying i made a mistake, i misspoke. then to the issue of legality, he says a meeting of this nature, talking about of adoption, that's not legal or is he talking about just meeting period, whether there's dirt or whether it's about adoption? >> right. so a couple things. first, isn't it refreshing to have jay sekulow instead of rudy giuliani? but secondly, to your exact point, the meeting itself can be illegal or legal depending. >> depending objen the content? >> depending on the content and the purpose. under the federal election law, if you knowingly and willfully
endeavor to receive a donation or a thing of value from a foreign national, that can be a crime. the facts here could reach that. similarly, if you conspire with others to defraud the federal election commission of their rights to run fair elections, that could be a crime. so to answer jay's question, there are two crimes on paper that could fit the facts here. whether a prosecutor would ever bring a case like that is another matter. but there are two crimes that mueller will look at and make determinations, presumably about whether these meetings meet the standard of probable cause to believe that a crime was committed. >> so there's the political message. there's the legal message. that kind of underscores the legal messaging. but why politically does jay sekulow or even president trump think it's better to clean this up, you know, to try to help out don junior? >> who better to clean this up
at this stage? there's been several rounds of cleanup. at what point is it the final round? that's not clear. if things go poorly for don junior, that starts to get close to the president. you start to see the father/son relationship, it's a lot more difficult to assume, okay, well, there was no conversation casually there, the way you could say for trump and an employee. with the various sorts of legal problems the president is having and the people around the president, this issue of credibility comes up often. don junior was a face for the president in his original campaign. we're now back in campaign mode again. you kind of want to have people trust the trump name and all the trumps that are associated with it, even if there's a mess going on. you can always blame people for not having been loyal enough or not having given you the straight story. it helps them to try to also push this to the side because it has kept coming up over and over
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file, for the record so they have a consistent account to present, whether it's to congress or someone else. >> that's right. mueller at end of his investigation has to file a confidential report with rosenstein to say, these are the people i indicted, these are the people i didn't indict, these are the reasons why i didn't indict them. so being able to complete that narrative, i think, is important from a legal perspective and perhaps from a political perspective as well so that we know what happened and that if the president did nothing wrong, we can move forward from it. if he did something wrong, we can know what that wrong was and what the action that should be taken in respect of it is. so i think that the interview is important, but its parameters still need to be negotiated. >> karoun, this speaks volumes perhaps that jay sekulow would come in the way in which he is. we haven't heard a lot from him.
story. >> it is a weird thing for a lawyer to do, certainly, but we have seen a lot of weird things happen in the last year and a half, especially when it comes to stories changing as explanations are being given for episodes in this presidency/campaign that potentially have legal consequences because things were done not on the up and up. but yeah, i think it's interesting that he's saying what he's saying in a way of being like, everybody calm down, nothing to see here, but also interesting he's separating himself from his client. >> right, but in sekulow's credit, things do evolve. it evolved in white water. it involved in watergate. things evolve. in this case, evolved. where it takes us next, we'll see. we still have to answer the question of when did the president know of this meeting? that's still a flat denial by the president. i did not know of this meeting before the fact. that still needs to be sorted. >> and julian, are these
>> thanks so much to all of you. appreciate it. all right. it is a key test for the trump administration before voters head to the polls in november. the special election in ohio just two days away now. a republican nominee in a traditionally republican district should be a sure win, but that's not the case. is president trump's popularity enough to get the nominee over this hurdle? we'll discuss next. plus, a shocking discovery in new mexico during a search for a missing child. authorities find nearly a dozen children in a filthy trailer wearing nothing but rags. no food or fresh water. a live report coming up. ♪ ♪ keep it comin' love. if you keep on eating, we'll keep it comin'. all you can eat riblets and tenders at applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.
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they've controlled for three decades. that's why president trump made a special trip there for a rally last night. >> we must elect more republicans, and we must elect troy bolderson. we have to elect troy. so get your friends, get your neighbors, get your family, and get out and vote for troy on tuesday. >> i need your volunteer hours, your enthusiasm, and most importantly i need your vote august 7th. >> all right. it's the last major race before the mid terms, and it will reveal a lot about what we'll see this fall potentially. joining me right now, reporter at the columbus dispatch. he covered last night's rally. harry, good to see you. you first.
there are several things on the line in this ohio race for the gop and for the white house. sum it up for us. >> i would just say this, this is a district that donald trump won by double digits in 2016. it's a district that hasn't had a democratic representative in it since at least the 1980s. and if the republican cannot win in this district, it is just another sign that the republicans are in major trouble heading into this midterm election. it's another special election where the republican candidate vastly undershot donald trump's percentage of the vote in 2016. and that's just bad news for republicans. >> so harry, you write. i'm just taking a small section. in ohio, balderson is barely holding on because trump's approval rating is about even with his disapproval rating in the district that voted for him by 11 percentage points in 2016. so what are you hearing specifically from voters? what happened? what changed so many minds about
the president? >> you know, i think essentially the biggest change is hillary clinton is not the democratic nominee for president in 2018. republic remember, donald trump was very unpopular in 2016, but he was facing off against hillary clinton, who was the second most unpopular candidate. without hillary clinton on the ballot, it's all about a referendum on donald j. trump. this is what's going on, and that's the big change, i believe. >> so was that a big risk for the president to be campaigning for him and for balderson so tod -- to say, if you want someone who will fight for the president, it goes both ways. >> yeah, i would say it's somewhat of a mistake. donald trump's numbers in those districts aren't as bad as they are nationally. his approval rating is about equal to his disapproval rating. this is also a district that isn't a donald trump type of republican. it's much more the john kasich type of republican. it's the best-educated district
in the state. if troy balderson does, in fact, win on tuesday, it's not going to be because an assist of donald trump. it's because of an assist from john kasich, who's been pro republican in this particular special election. >> and jim, the latest polls showing that race is tightening after the republican candidate lost a sizable lead. we're talking about one percentage point between them according to this monmouth university poll. just as harry was saying, governor john kasich says normally this race would be a slam dunk for republicans. look into the crystal ball. what could potentially happen here? >> well, there's a reason that danny o'connor, the democrat, has been courting kasich republicans. as was just said, this is not a -- this is the wealthiest and most highly educated district in the state. these are the type of folks that danny o'connor believes are not necessarily your hard core trump supporters but are folks who maybe are more in the kasich
wing of the party. he has been out there talking about how, hey, i'm for medicaid expansion just like john kasich. i'm for some of these gun provisions like red flag laws, just like john kasich. he's been attacking the tax cuts quite a bit, saying these are nothing but corporate giveaways. so he's really trying to appeal to -- not appeal to the donald trump wing, but appeal to others. right new there's a lot more democratic enthusiasm in the district. if you look at the three largest counties in the district, right now democrats are plus 23 compared to where they were in 2016. >> so then jim, as you talk to people, do you feel -- you mentioned there's this democratic enthusiasm. do you feel like voters as they cast their ballots will, indeed, be casting a referendum, you know, vote for or against the
president? >> i do think that's going to be a big part of it. i mean, in an election like this where really, to be honest, you have two candidates running, but it's a compressed time. neither one of these candidates is particularly well known throughout the district when this all started. so yeah, when you have donald trump coming in last night, six days ago mike pence was here. when you have that type -- republicans are drawing from that in order to gain enthusiasm and try to drive up the vote. it's hard to see this as much other than whether or not this is going to be a referendum on the president's performance. i do still think it's an uphill battle for danny o'connor. voter registration in this district is two to one republican. so even with more enthusiasm, it's still a tough hill to climb. >> and this is kasich's assessment of the race. let's listen. >> so, you know, i think donald
trump decides where he wants to go. i think they think they're firing up the base, but at the same time hee com comes in here was with someone last night who said, you know what, i'm not voting. and they're republicans. this is the problem the party has now. the problem the democrats have is i don't know what their message is, george. you tell me. it's sort of like anti-trump but no message. you can't win elections if you don't have a message. >> so harry, is he on point there? >> i think you can win a special election without a message as long as your message is i'm not donald trump. i mean, midterms are always referendums on the president. that's why this special election is a good test for the midterm elections because it is being seen, as we've spoken about, as a referendum on donald trump. you know, i do agree with what we've said earlier, which is that neither of these candidates are particularly well known. so for me, if the republican ends up losing this race in a district that's so heavily democratic, it's just very, very bad news going forward for them. >> jim, final thoughts?
>> yeah, i don't know that the democrats were particularly unhappy to see donald trump come to the district. i think danny o'connor is more than happy to say that troy balderson is tied in with him and that he believes and democrats believe that will get their voters more enthused about this race than it will turn out republican votes. >> all right. just two days away. once again, all eyes on ohio. harry enten and jim siegel, thanks so much. appreciate it. straight ahead, venezuela's president says he was the victim of an assassination attempt. who is he blaming for the attack? that's next. ♪
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tensions with iran continue to rise as the u.s. prepares to impose renewed sanctions. starting tomorrow this phase targets manufacturing, but there is a bigger round coming in november aimed at oil sales. these are the first new sanctions to go into effect since president trump pulled out of the iran nuclear agreement. also, iran's regime confirmed that it is conducting military exercises in a key shipping lane in the persian gulf. with me right now is our cnn global affairs analyst, an opinion writer for "the washington post." he was also imprisoned by iran's regime for 544 days. always good to see you, jason. >> great to be back. >> these sanctions, how much harm could it potentially do to
the people there? >> in 2012 when i was still reporting from iran, the obama administration placed severe sanctions on iran, cutting it off from the global banking system, blocking oil sales, and making the importation of goods from the rest of the world very difficult. and we saw a very, very quick and steep decline in the currency as well as shortages of goods for short periods of time, medications and other things. i think we're about to see that again. and the country really never rebounded from that. you know, so many of the sanctions that were lifted during the nuclear deal didn't have the effect of opening up the economy the way that the iranian people had hoped. so i think there's going to be a lot of struggle. >> now when you see these military exercises taking place, is that a pre-emptive response to the sanctions that are coming? kind of a thumb to the nose to the president of the united states? or is that a response to the president who says i'm willing to talk, and iran says, you know
what, we're not going to be intimidated. >> well, i think it's a bit of both. i think ultimately, the iranian regime will have to talk to the trump administration at some point. >> really? >> yeah, i think so. the sanctions will create a situation where the economy is so decimated that talks will be necessary. but what the scope of those talks will be remains to be seen. secretary of state pompeo has outlined 12 points that the iranians need to kind of concede to before you can normalize relationships. >> what's the reality of that? >> well, i mean, i think that the reality is that it was a very maximalist approach without a lot of incentives to the iranian regime. i think there will be to be a sort of coming to a middle ground before talks. >> what would be the point of view of iran? what would be its response to the president saying, okay, well, we've gotten rid of this deal under the last administration, you know, now let's talk and cut a new deal,
would iran be receptive to that? >> so far they're not receptive to that. i think it would be difficult for them to come to the table again any time soon because they've said, okay, you walked away from a deal that we were adhering to, how can we trust you to live up to future agreements that we make? i think ultimately, they'll probably have to do that. >> meantime, there are protests, a little bubbling up of protests throughout iran. what's it all about? >> well, i think that the iranian people have shown their discontent with their regime at various points throughout the last 39 years. at this moment, there's discontent around the economy, around freedom of expression, women's rights. as you know, women are subjugated in a lot of ways in iranian society, legally. so against the forced hijab, against water issues.
they're dealing with a lot of crises on different fronts. >> so is this the precipice of perhaps a revolution, something around the corner? >> i wouldn't want to predict that, but i think that the protests aren't going to stop. i think that they'll grow and spread to different parts of the country, but in 2009, if you remember after the contested rhode island election or fraudulent re-election of mahmoud ahmadinejad, you had a very long series of protests that were much more organized than what we're seeing now. >> and that was a real anomaly at the time. so it seems like people now perhaps galvanized from what happened then. jason rezaian, thanks. always good to see you. >> thank you. venezuelan president nicolas maduro surviving a possible assassination attempt as two drones with explosions went off during a speech. maduro blamed what he called far-right elements, including venezuelans living in the u.s.
white house national security adviser john bolton denied any u.s. involvement. >> i can say unequivocally there was no u.s. government involvement in this at all. if the government of venezuela has hard information that they want to present to us that would show a potential violation of u.s. criminal law, we'll take a serious look at it. but in the meantime, i think what we really should focus on is the corruption and the oppression of the maduro regime in venezuela. >> and there are reports that six people have been arrested in connection with that bombing. a heartbreaking story out of new mexico. nearly a dozen children have been found held captive and malnourished wearing nothing but rags. and police say the man responsible may have ab duducte 3-year-old child in georgia. a live report on this developing story moments away. i am all about living joyfully.
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the kids range in ages from 1 to 15 years old. they were found living in conditions no running water, no food, and wearing dirty rags for clothes. the missing toddler was not among the children found. cnn's kaylee hartung has been following this shocking discovery. what more do we know? >> reporter: fred, so many more questions than answers as we learn more about this story and see the truly shocking photos of the living conditions. one of the men arrested is the father of the 3-year-old who's missing. the other man, lucas morton. they were both heavily armed when they were arrested by authorities. when i say heavily armed, i'm talking about ar-15 rifles, four pistols. they had loaded 30-round magazines and a lot of ammunition. this arsenal that they'd stockpiled, along with 11 children and 3 women in this makeshift compound. when i say compound, i want to be clear, this is a small travel trailer buried underground,
covered by plastic. as you can see there. no water, plumbing, or electricity. those two men remain in custody. one is being booked with no bond because of the georgia warrant out for the abduction of his 3-year-old son. these three women were also taken into custody. we don't know much about them. they have been questioned but since released. none of the five adults would share any information with authorities as to where this missing 3-year-old could possibly be located. the description for authorities that we've gotten, you mentioned it, looking like third-world country refugees. the sheriff saying it was the saddest living conditions and poverty he'd ever seen, saying that the authorities who responded on the scene gave the children all of the snacks and water that they had on them. these children are now in the custody of child protective services. and fred, the search for that missing 3-year-old continues. >> shocking indeed.
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it stands for qanon. this video is from the president rally in tampa earlier this week. so what is the message behind that? cnn's gary tuckman has more. >> reporter: waiting in line in a driving rain? very motivated trump supporters wanting to see the president in person in pennsylvania. >> we are q. >> reporter: some of these people wearing and holding the 17th letter of the alphabet. >> are you holding a big red, white, and blue q? why do you have that? >> it's a movement, man. it's a shift. some call it the great awakening. >> reporter: what does that mean? >> it means where we go one, we go all. >> qanon is the people that believe in what trump's trying to do to change our country. >> reporter: that is a generalization, more specifically what qanon is, is a fringe movement in which many baseless conspiracy theories are discussed on the internet, organized around the idea of an anonymous but well-connected person or persons nicknamed q.
your shirt says the storm is here. what does that mean to you? >> i've been following all the posts since october 28th. >> reporter: on the internet? >> yeah. >> reporter: the person or people who say they're q. what do you think q is, by the way? >> it's an entity of ten or less people that have high clearance, security clearance. >> reporter: how do you know that? >> well, i'm just telling you. this is what it appears to be. >> reporter: what it appears to be. so you don't have any proof of that? >> and you don't have any proof there isn't. >> we've all been gathering in one line and talking together as americans and uniting. >> reporter: you think it maybe makes you comfortable talking with other frustrated, sometimes angry people? >> yes, yes. >> reporter: but maybe it's not true because there's no evidence of it. it's stuff being talked about on the internet. >> there hasn't been any nonevidence yet. >> reporter: a major mantra among followers, the press is the enemy.
>> you guys are our enemy. >> reporter: you don't believe in the first amendment? >> i totally believe. >> reporter: you don't. >> you guys are totally weaponized by the cia. >> reporter: by the cia? i don't know anybody in the cia except a couple people i've interviewed over the years. >> that's weird. >> reporter: what does that even mean? you say stuff that doesn't mean anything. do you think i'm weaponized by the cia? >> maybe not to your knowledge. that's unfortunate. >> reporter: you believe there's a deep state? >> yes. >> reporter: what do you think that deep state is doing? running this country? >> i think they were. they're petrified now. because they're losing their control. >> reporter: but donald trump is the president. he's running the country, right? >> yeah, but he's having to fight against the deep state. >> reporter: he said he could do it himself. everything would be so easy. you think he's fighting with the deep state a year and a half into his term? >> i think he's been fighting since before he was elected. >> reporter: who are the people in this deep state? >> i definitely believe the clintons, the bushes, the obamas. >> reporter: so you think they're running this country as we stand here in the rain? >> no. they're trying.
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i lieu this one in particular groups like syrian kurds so we know now president trump alongside ayman mohyeldin. "morning joe" starts right now. where bill barr was saying that said very clearly yesterday that because, quite honestly, they left center field. their position had evolved when u.s. troops would have this new back at the wall. don't trust us. one day's episode or cooperation and that's gone. it came to cooperating with a mission of securing oil in syria grand jury -- excuse me, between this white house and the and he talked about the importance of that mission. cooperating with impeachment american intelligence community we now, we've seen the first of investigation to material over those deployments actually move materials to a grand jury. doth not a relationship make. the judge wouldn't have any of what worries me going forward is >> he goes deep. the enemy is still going to be from here into syria, driving there. the question is, will we? towards the region. that's where many of these it. that's what happens. >> i want to ask you, david he let him hit him right in the you get the smackdown by the troops will be based. we don't have a good sense of ignatius, your thoughts over, federal judiciary against the exactly how many there will be. we know they will have some chest. 2-1. the houston astros defeated the attorney general of the united again, let's just look over the light armored vehicles, they past decade or so. washington nationals 7-1 last states, and that's what happens when the president points his you had, of course, al qaeda, night in game five of the world moved in on lightly armored series. they now lead the series three which was considered to be the vehicles that we've seen throughout iraq and afghanistan own to be attorney general. worst of the worst. over the last several years. games to two, after falling behind 2-0 games after the that led to al zachary in iraq they also will have tanks, >> thank you. though, so that indicates that series headed to washington. >> all bets are off. not only are the u.s. military game six is tomorrow night. >> that is what happens when roy back in houston. troops who are going in there are they worried about the and meanwhile, president trump and al qaeda -- had al qaeda potential for some kind of a was at the game last night. writing him letters say, hey, clash with isis, but they're cone is running the justice where he was greeted with boos back off. worried about the potential for when his attendance was department. he humiliates himself and he actually confrontations with you're going too extreme. more heavily armed adversaries. announced during the game. you don't blow up weddings. according to the "washington doesn't care because he has an audience of one. you don't do the type of things in this case, it would likely be post," the crowd sustained it's just past the top of russia or the syrian regime. booing hit almost 100 decibels, the hour on this monday, october you're doing. his death and osama bin laden's both of them border this area and was followed by chants of 28th. death in 9/11 leads to isis. we have mike barnicle, jonathan right along the euphrates river lock him up, and impeach trump, now, of course, we've killed the head of isis. valley so the u.s. military is
when he was introduced after the i'm wondering, does it fracture? lamere, richard hoss and at least concerned about the possibility of with this new deployment, they could have some third inning. kind of a confrontation. >> the president and the first we also know that this new columnist for "the washington lady of the united states. does the radical islam movement mission will have a smaller post," david ignatius and amon continue to fracture across the footprint than what we've seen with the u.s. troops there for the past several years. with this smaller footprint, of globe? does it become more difficult or do we dare look at the last few course, leads to the possibility that there will be less years and say, you know what, >> good morning. the pace of the attacks are opportunities to gather and welcome to morning joe. down. intelligence on the ground. it is monday, october 28. they certainly are significantly there will be less working with down since 2014-2015. and with us we have msnbc muldean. we'll start the new hour with partners there on the ground, so the raid that we saw over the contributor mark barnacle, white house reporter for the this -- >> tonight i can report to the weekend that killed abu bakr >> i think there are two points associated press, jonathan american people and to the world al-baghdadi, the isis leader, i'd make. things like that will be not that the united states has one, the ability and lamir, president on the council determination of the u.s. using only less likely but much on foreign relations and author conducted an operation that of the book, a world in these extraordinary troops and disarray, richard haas, killed -- tactics to go after our >> abu bakr al baghdadi. riskier for u.s. troops going forward without this presence in columnist and associate editor >> at my direction, the united the country, mika. states launched -- >> courtney, this is david for the "washington post," david >> a dangerous and daring adversaries. in the case of al baghdadi, this ignatius and retired four star nighttime raid. >> a small team of americans is a person who brutally ignacious. if i could just ask you, having murdered three journalists in killed out -- visited that area on some >> their mission in grand style. navy admiral, diplomacy analyst >> over the years i've addition to thousands and earlier trips, i'm curious repeatedly made clear. >> we will continue to pursue thousands of syrians and other whether we're going to be working closely with the syrian for msnbc, and nbc news. the remaining isis terrorists. arabs. we made a vow. kurds who were our allies there it was sort of startling and sad >> may god bless you. we're going to get you. to help them protect the oil and to hear those chants of lock him we're going after you. have that as a bargaining chip up, yesterday from the crowd. >> may god bless america. thank you. or whether we're now in the
>> yes. we delivered on that fact just bargaining chip business >> you know -- ourselves. >> i didn't take pleasure in as with osama bin laden. do you have any sense of that? any questions? the world sees that and that >> reporter: so, the u.s. that. >> there were many traditions >> the raid that killed bin sign of america's continuing military insists that the u.s. laden was a seminal moment in power is something the world brought about by donald trump and his supporters and people will be partnering with and around him that are un-american. the obama administration. working close lowe with the takes seriously. syrian democrat forces in the even fascist-like. how well baghdadi's death shaped it is haunting to recall that secure the oil mission. the chants of lock her up, send the trump presidency, that's the isis erupted as this new totally this is really their attempt to question we're looking at this salvage what has been two weeks morning. now of headlines about how the >> that is the question we're her back, but the "lock her up" looking at. super toxic movement after the u.s. is abandoning the kurds. of course, richard hoss, the they really want to reinforce that they're going to continue killing of bin laden that didn't about hillary clinton president of the united states seem to have much deter and to work with the sdf. repeatedly, it has become a went on to talk about how one thing that i was really effect on the next wave of isis. struck by and david you know center piece, and that's what this well from your coverage of baghdadi died like a dog, dictators do. i guess the second lesson for me this region and particularly of they take over, and then they syria, i was really struck by start talking about imprisoning the fact that president trump so is, this is not something you coward, whimpering and openly said that the u.s. others. and it's un-american. finish up and walk away from. sniveling. he didn't sound like the military may have to fight for if there's one thing i hope the oil. president trump takes from this, president of the united states. he sounded like saddam hussein that is a steep departure from here, you can hear the chant it's thaw need to stay engaged. what we have heard about u.s. after torturing people, moammar military missions in this region here. >> lock him up. lindsey graham is patting for nearly two decades now. lock him up. himself on the back for having >> so that's what unfortunately, coming up with this idea, let's the u.s. has always maintained say and protect the oil. that the war -- the presence it has been fed, into america's gadhafi after torturing people. here, the conflicts are not well, if that keeps u.s. troops it was deeply un-american, in the region, a modest political system through donald about oil and the people who trump, and last night, it was deeply troubling. contention, you know, okay, if have actually been claiming that turned against him. i'm curious. for years have generally been but again, it's un-american. let's step back from the that's the rationality. the adversaries, al qaeda and but the real point is we need to and the people in the stands whatnot, who claim that the u.s. that were doing it last night president's bungling stage be there to continue to conduct is just coming in here because
they want to take the region's shouldn't have done it. craft, step back from all of his counterterrorist operations. oil. in fact, you know, they learned, the same argument applies to >> and yes, of course, donald they have learned from donald un-american strongman instincts afghanistan. there's still a lot of people trump. that's what you do, to political and let's just look at the who want to kill americans and trump once again reconfirming geopolitical implications of all of our enemies' worst westerners in afghanistan. opponents. there's got to be some i hope that donald trump, after suspicions about the united states. nbc's courtney kube, thank you seeing that he could be facing what happened yesterday. what are your thoughts, how does capability to deal with them. this throughout his entire so much. >> thank you, courtney. campaign will cut it out. final point that strikes me, coming up on "morning joe," will cut it out. joe, is the president on this because this is, i remember when this shape the fight against john kelly says he issued a rambling 48-minute or whatever warning to president trump before leaving the white house. barack obama was leaving office, isis, the fight against islamic it was, quasi press conference judging by the impeachment a lot of liberals wanted george inquiry in the house, the w. bush tried by some terrorism in the months to come? disclosed more detail about the president chose not to heed that >> once again, it demonstrates advice. that conversation is next on international tribunal. the capability, which is truly "morning joe." versation is nextn i remember us saying don't do "morning joe." ♪ limu emu & doug it, because it will be you on impressive and global, when you operation than i'm aware any the other side of the marry up american soldiers. president or senior official has presidency, and then have to in this case, special operation ever disdisclosed and it made worry about retribution from the person that you follow. the military very uneasy. >> yes. >> and of course, you never soldiers with american some senior military officers intelligence. when we're willing and able to act that way, it's impressive. are shaking their head about think, mike barnicle, nobody that's the clear upside. ever thinks that anybody will details, what was done when they follow them as president of the approached the bunker. you didn't do this, instead you the downside is given the nature did that. united states when they first of the adversary, the phrase you how many helicopters were used. get in, just like donald trump, it's never imagined it. but live by the sword, die by used before, there's no pretty much making clear where the sword, and sure enough, now they were flying from. hour 36 in the stakeout. you have donald trump having battleship missouri day. the initial tweet came at a time you can't decapitate its as soon as the homeowners arrive, barr conduct an outrageous, an we'll inform them that liberty mutual leadership. it's an open-ended struggle. when the site, i'm told, was customizes home insurance, outrajs investigation against we can't do victory dances based still pretty hot. so they'll only pay for what they need. on a day because tomorrow, for your turn to keep watch, limu. all we know, we'll be attacked lots still going on there. wake me up if you see anything.
barack obama. and donald trump each calling very unwise to have put that somewhere else. just as important, what worries the 44th president of the united [ snoring ] states treasonist. out. so the president's desire, using me is we've unilaterally removed it's like this guy is just not the language that president smart enough to figure out that many of the preconditions of our [ loud squawking and siren blaring ] success. we no longer have t relationshi what goes around comes around, obama said he would never do, to and what he dishes out to others spike the football. will be dished out to him. hey, we got it, does come with only pay for what you need. some costs. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ that's why everybody has to tone >> yeah, so here is the president. and i think as david points out, it down. ♪ stop with the chants. it's important to look at the >> oh, my gosh. ♪ i got that vibe, got that vibe ♪ language that's used and discuss >> stop with the fascist-like why it may or may not have been ♪ got that vibe, yeah, i ain't petty, ♪ not only inappropriate but ♪ looking fly, looking fly, ♪ tactics. and the rhetoric. dangerous and untoward on so ♪ looking fly, yeah, they ain't ready. ♪ it's just un-american. and it's just not right. many levels. ♪ i can shine, i can shine, ♪ >> yes, joe, and you know, if here's the president talking about how baghdadi died. ♪ i can shine. you know this, i mean most ♪ i'mma do what i'm made to do. ♪ >> from the first day i came to office and now we're getting people know this, a lot of ♪ i'mma do what i'm made to do. ♪ people in this country just want close to three years, i would built for excellence. you start from the foundation up. the entire situation calmed down. the excellence is reaching dreams and they want the country to calm down. s chasing them at the same time. they want candidates to calm say, where's al baghdadi? i want al baghdadi. ♪ down. and we would kill terrorist it would be tough to have the chasing them at the same time. crowd last night calm down because they were really into leaders but they were names i it, unfortunately. never heard of, names that you should be mad at airports. but i think it's important going weren't recognizable and they excuse me, where is gate 87? weren't the big names. you should be mad at non-seasoned travelers. forward. especially today, as we talk some good ones, some important about the events that occurred ones but they weren't the big over the weekend, that we take and they took my toothpaste away. the time and the thought to ones. and you should be mad at people who take unnecessary risks. i kept saying, where's al how dare you, he's my emotional support snake.
separate donald trump and, baghdadi? and a couple weeks ago they were but you're not mad, however you feel about donald because you have e*trade, trump, to separate him and how able to scope him out. he behaves, and how he speaks, whose tech helps you understand you know, these people are very the risk and reward potential on an options trade from the actions of the delta smart. they're not spew the use of cell it's a paste. it's not liquid or a gel. force team, the special and even explore what-if scenarios. phones anymore. operators, who flew in and they're very technically where's gate 87? conducted that mission. brilliant. you know, they use the internet don't get mad. it's two separate things. get e*trade and start trading today. and the best of us, the best of who we are, and what we do almost better than anybody else around the world, and why so - [narrator] forget about vacuuming for up to a month. much of the world still relies in the world, perhaps except shark iq robot deep-cleans and empties itself donald trump. they use the internet incredibly on this, was in operation over well. what they've done with the into a base you can empty once a month. the weekend. internet through recruiting -- and unlike standard robots that bounce around, that's why he died like a dog >> jonathan, you can speak to it cleans row by row. can, he died like hey coward. that, but also last night. if it's not a shark, it's just a robot. >> yes, i mean it is certainly he was whimpering, screaming an american tradition to boo politicians who go to baseball crying. aveeno® with prebiotic striple oat complex frankly, it's something that should be brought out so his games. followers and all these young balances skin's microbiome. kids that want to leave various there's a rich history of the so skin looks like this american presidency and the american past-time, william countries, including the united and you feel like this. howard taft was the first president to throw out a first aveeno® skin relief. states, they should see how he get skin healthy™ pitch. >> i remember that. died. i want to thank the nations of >> and every american president russia, turkey, syria, and iraq, has at some point and this and i also want to thank the president hasn't since taking office and he went last night and i thought the people around syrian kurds for certain support they were able to give us. him were hoping he could be the >> can you tell us what role the part of the victory lap after announcing the death of al kurds play generally in this?
>> they gave us not a military baghdadi earlier in the day. that is not the case. role at all but they gave us some information that turned out let us remember, he is deeply to be helpful, the kurds. you may have gingivitis. when you brush, unpopular in the district of and the clock could be ticking towards bad breath, columbia himself. the kurds have worked along he only referred about 4% of the receding gums, and possibly... vote there in 2016. obviously a little bit of a tooth loss. different crowd last night at incredibly with us. help turn back the clock the world series, more in all fairness, it was much on gingivitis easier to deal with the kurds with parodontax. out-of-towners, more corporate leave bleeding gums behind. type, but still, he was going to after they went through three parodontax. get booed and he was. days of fighting. that was a brutal three days. but certainly, it comes at the end of what his administration >> have you notified the feels like was a significant congressional -- water shed day for him. >> we notified some. to be able to make this others are being notified as i speak. we were going to notify them announcement of the death. last night but we decided not to as mike said, you could separate the president, and your feelings do that because washington leaks like i've never seen before. towards him, with what happened the day before, in syria, and this is the leader of isis, there's nothing -- there's no country in the world that leaks like we do. killed, this is the, this gives the president an image he thinks to put alongside president a leak could have cost the death of all of them. obama's announcement of the >> so, you trust zooish wow. death of osama bin laden, and it certainly comes at exactly the >> very interesting. >> where to begin. right time his people feel for >> jonathan, this reminds me of your question in helsinki where him. an undeniable triumph during the the president said he trusted midst of the impeachment inquiry vladimir putin more than he and allows him to defend his trusted the head of the fbi or policy in syria just as so many the head of the cia or the dni republican senators were critical of him. >> right.
and mika, we will get to that or head of the united states right now, the story, obviously a follow-up from what jonathan, military intel community. a long rich tradition of here he's saying he trusts presidents booed at sporting vladimir putin, the ex-kgb agent events. most of them do. who is saying this morning this >> this was a little different. >> but again, i would speak to never happened. the lock him up chants. he says he trusts him more than again, it is un-american. and it started with donald he trusts the third, fourth, trump. in fact, he's made it a center fifth ranking people in the piece of his campaign rallies. united states government. >> this is a moment where the i said, whatever you do, >> and we find it sickening when president had some praise for the intelligence community. don't hire a yes man, someone it happens in his rallies. you sa you it there. i find it kind of sickening to he felt he could not trust house that's going to tell you -- watch people -- won't tell you the truth. >> sickening, we are americans. don't do that. speaker pelosi and leading because if you do, i believe and we do not do that. democrats. we do not want the world hearing in an extraordinary lack of you'll be impeached. notification to them that this operation was happening. and someone has got to be the us chant, lock him up, to this he'd much rather throw in his guy that tells you that, you lot with vladimir putin. the way he continued to praise president, or to any president, know, you know, you either have turkey. that's what i'm saying, let's we were just talking at the the authority or you don't or, hope, as we move forward, maybe table about sort of the mr. president, you know, don't extraordinary language about the do it because whatever. this is one less fascist tactic kurds. sort of really trying to but don't hire someone that minimize the role they play. he and his supporters use, no military assistance, only a would just, you know, nod and during chants. little intelligence and say, you know, that's a great you are going to actually suggesting they did so after idea, mr. president, because you three days of fighting with the imprison your political turks in which they took will be impeached. countless casualties. >> oh, wow.
opponents. so let's leave that behind. i mean, it's an extraordinary well, that -- he predicted the >> let's hope he gets it. moment there, praising erdogan >> we'll see if the astros -- future there. >> general nostradamus. >> i don't know if it is and trying to defend -- retro possible. >> if the astros will finish it actively defend his decision to >> where is mick mulvaney? pull those troops out of syria president trump's former chief leading to this blood shed and of staff, john kelly, saying off in houston. make the argument that actually over the weekend that before leaving the white house, he if max can pitch game seven, warned president trump against anything is possible. helped this operation when according to "the new york >> president trump yesterday confirmed the death of isis times" and all other places his hiring a "yes" man. president trump responded in a decision to pull out the troops leader abu bakr al baghdadi made this much, much harder. statement saying, john kelly never said that, he never said following a lead in northwestern and put at risk it could happen anything like that. if he would have said that, i syria by u.s. special operations at all. >> it's a preposterous argument. would have thrown him out of the forces. office. >> whatever. president trump teased the announcement in a tweet on god, this guy. he's actually praising the this guy lies so much. russians and the russians that saturday night, saying something have bombed hospitals in syria they're not even good lies. very big has just happened. nobody believes anymore. and killed ilians. so i don't know why he says it. >> my god. >> i know. he's praising the turks, the >> there's the elephant in the >> they have not confirmed that turks who went in and tried to room. slaughtered the kurds. mick mulvaney. >> where was mick? something big had happened at he's praising all those people the time. >> the "washington post" points and minimizing -- out the white house script on the death of brutal terrorist al also, stephanie grisham also hit >> and reveling in the details back in a statement, saying and minimize what the kurds have baghdadi was short. done when, in fact, they were this. >> oh my. >> saying this. but president trump turned the the most critical allies on the >> oh my. >> of a man who dedicated his ground there in making this somber announcement into a vivid happen. life to serving in the united 40-minute news conference, that states military, sacrificed his included bravado, detailed amon, you look the language he descriptions of military used. he died like a dog, a coward. son, and he was considered one of the great generals of our
operations, questionable time, and this person at the statements, and self promotion. whimpering, sniveling, crying. >> from the first day i came to white house said, this trump first of all, this sounds so office, and now, we're getting close to three years, i would apologist said, i worked with john kelly and he was totally say where's al baghdadi? much like that so-called phone i want al baghdadi. unequipped to handle the genius of our great president. call from two chinese leaders and we would kill terrorist >> that would be the white that donald trump's people admitted he lied about to try to house "yes" secretary, stephanie leaders, but they were names i calm the markets back in august. grisham. >> and she actually, in that never heard of, they were names statement, she actually makes that weren't recognizable and john kelly's point for him. weren't the big one, some good sounds so much like something he made up because the secretary of >> yes. defense himself who obviously >> when you have people around ones, some important ones but was on the calls more than the you that sound like -- again, this is, again, go back. president said he never heard they weren't the one, and i kept anything like that. saying where is al-baghdadi, and but this language, sniveling, he >> yes man, yes woman. >> go back and look. a couple of weeks ago they were able to scope him out. died like a dog. i'm on "snl" suddenly. these people are very smart. it's ripped straight out of the go back and look at the language they're not into the use of cell phones anymore. they're very technically playbook of saddam hussein, of not "snl" but look at the brilliant. you know, they use the internet language of what north korean better than almost anybody in moammar gadhafi, the worst of spokespeople say about kim jong-un and what they said about the world, perhaps other than the worst strong men. donald trump. but they use the internet >> there's a lot of question as to whether or not that could incredibly well. and what they've done with the have even been physically kim jong il and that's how they internet through recruiting and possible. talk. if you think that abu bakr al that's not now american press everything, and that's why he baghdadi died in a tunnel, how secretaries talk. this white house, by the day, is died like a dog, he died like a exactly was the president able to paint this picture of how he breaking from american coward, he was whim perring, traditions and sounding and
screaming and crying, and died in those final seconds acting more un-american by the unless he had live audio or day. frankly, i think it's something video stream in very close >> joe, when i read that, i that should be brought out, so that his followers and all of these young kids that want to quarters? put that aside and think about first thought it was from the"t what the president is trying to leave various countries, do. he's trying to paint a picture of how this guy died precisely including the united states, they should see how he died. in a way to antagonize his followers or his organization in onion." jonathan, i'm wondering, joe and the way it is trying to recruit. >> no. >> admiral, we'll get to the take yourself out of this for a mika have raised this a couple times already. where is mick mulvaney? moment here and try to imagine you rarely see him. yourself -- if i can, connect strategic importance of what we all the dots of what we're when you do hear from him, he get to, but again, just implicates himself in all sorts talking about here. of impeachable offenses, potentially. picture yourself a young muslim underlining un-american where is he? arab man, protesting the >> he is not been a visible language, and the sound of tire government in baghdad or libya. presence since that rather you have the president of the disastrous news conference in rants, saying he died like a the white house ten days or so united states trying to paint dog, he died like a coward, this picture of who or what isis ago and he has -- he made clear that he was not going to take was, talking about all of the the same approach as john kelly. hateful ideology that it john kelly, for a few months, wimpering and screaming. can you please explain to maybe had some success saying no to espoused. on the other side, if you're a the president, trying to rein in three of donald trump supporters young person who believes in who fist-pump when they hear democracy and reform, thinking that, the down side of that, and the region is going in a some of his more dangerous impulses. why the 44 american presidents different direction, protesting now eventually the president did on the streets with no reform, tune him out and by the end of who preceded him did not talk and you're suddenly drawn into kelly's time in office, they were barely speaking. about casualties on the war, this moment of where do i go, where is the recruitment of an it's unclear when he made these even if they were the most
organization like this go for comments but mulvaney has said heinous casualties like osama the next phase? you talked about how al qaeda from the beginning that he was bin laden, or you name it, or going to handle some of the other operations in the white evolved into al qaeda in iraq, house. japanese opponents, or nazis, you have al qaeda in yemen. he was going to let -- >> he's doing a bang-up job. isis is doing the same thing. why we didn't talk that way? you have isis splinter groups in >> he is going to let trump by north africa, isis splinter trump and we have seen where >> or quadafi in libya, for that has gotten us. groups in afghanistan. coming up on "morning joe," so the killing of al baghdadi example. in every case, joe, the problem from the house democrats himself, while is obviously leadership, iraq war veteran here is there's that internal symbolic, is not necessarily congressman anthony brown joins desire to kind of take a victory tactical in the sense it's going us. plus, the former point to destroy the organization. lap, but it's counterproductive. person in the coalition to and i've said this before, it comes across as defeat isis, brett mcgurk, is bullets and bombs kill un-professional. it's spiking the ball in the end terrorists. our guest. they don't defeat terrorism. "morning joe" is back in a moment. "morning joe" is back in a zone. and here's the real problem. we're losing big picture moment skin sin #17... questions of what are we going it's motivational for the other to do in the region to defeat in ideology or refrain it from side. >> yes. >> some will make the argument, expanding? and i think the president in his it's a deterrent. i don't think so. speech, in his comments, and to the point about the dogs, just i think that that tape will be added more recruitment to the played, particularly that image of the dog in the arab world, is fire because you're going to have a lot of people say this is how this symbolic leader of the well-known as an extremely evock organization died, according to the president, and that's going to be used to generate another tive, negative and that i think will be a recruiting tool that extremists who will be more the islamic state uses on the internet and i think for the vicious not just going after the united states but their proxies
record, they are better than and allies in the region. donald trump managing currently >> when we heard that sort of to conduct global operations talk after 9/11, this will only without owning a shred of too many after-parties. territory, after we took away the caliphate from them, which create more terrorists or more new neutrogena® bright boost with dullness-fighting was another good accomplishment, neoglucosamine. they still conducted a massive boosts cell turnover by 10 times drones will cause more for instantly brighter skin. terrorists, it did. attack in sri lanka, using the bright boost neutrogena®. the terrorists have become more internet to recruit proselytize deadly, more vicious and more (engines rev) and conduct the operation. hard to track down because they they will use this footage to are scattered. the only thing better than horsepower... motivate their follower, to >> the problem of these recruit more, it is really not ...is more horsepower. how we want to play this. terrorist cells going deep or (engines rev) >> well, it is actually, on a much smaller level, it is what underground, having information you call, basically, press from allies that can help us get if we were for everyone, information about where they we'd be for no one. are, that's the heart of the clippings from locker rooms where somebody on the other side with dodge power dollars, says something, you cut out the matter. the amazing thing about more power means more cash allowance. purchase now and get $10 per horsepower. press clippings and put them up president trump's comment about that's $7,970 on the srt challenger hellcat redeye. and use it to inspire other the kurds is they were a key source of information. people. and it is something we don't this information surfaced during want here. the summer. then the president makes this let's go, richard haas, go to seemingly impulsive decision to you, and talk about the impact allow turkey to invade the of the death. kurdish areas and they keep and we'll get into some of the cooperating. they don't try to push back and other things first. say, all right, we're cutting on
of cooperation here. obviously, i remember us being, one other thing i've been celebrating at least, most hearing the last day from u.s. wayfair's got your perfect mattress. whether you're looking for a top-brand at a great price. military officials, the area in americans, when zarkawi was ready to upgrade. which baghdadi was found, idlib, killed i believe it was in 2006, moving in. is an area where to the extent moving on up. 2007, t there's any power that has some or making big moves. really the inspiration for isis, and of course, that just led to deliveries ship free and come with a 100-night free trial. information on the ground is no matter your budget. turkey. more violence, splinter groups there's also talk of continuing or your sleep style. and we of course all celebrated, isis infrastructure in turkey, we have quality options for everyone. and we had our, on the deck of so search and shop. the missouri moment a little logistics, movement of people, save and snooze. bit, when osama bin laden was and rest easy, knowing that we've got your back. literally. and so these are questions. killed in 2011, and we were all that's what you get, when you've got wayfair. cheering, but of course, out of rather than patting turkey on so shop now. that, came the rise of isis, and the back as the president did, time for serious questions as we so i'm wondering, it's obviously learned about baghdadi hiding my moderate to severe i ulcerative colitis.ing out there south of the turkish but i realized something was missing... very important death, but do we border, what have you been me. make the same mistake again, doing? what information can you share the thought of my symptoms returning that we made in '06, that we to eradicate the last cells? was keeping me from being there made in '11, when we think the that's a key thing. for the people and things i love most. i know there's concern about it death of this one man is going in the military. so, i talked to my doctor and learned to end the movement that he was humira can help get, and keep, uc under control so successful in spreading? >> to ayman's point, you've been when other medications haven't worked well enough. >> the short answer, joe, is and it helps people achieve control that lasts yes, there is no such thing as decapitation, when it comes to looking into whether or not this so you could experience few or no symptoms. dealing with terrorists, because
whether you call them network killing dismantles isis and what humira can lower your ability to fight infections, ors movements, they're not the turks can actually do. including tuberculosis. narrow organizations that are serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, highly structured. >> that's right. what i've been hearing from including lymphoma, have happened; we're getting rid of the leadership essentially disables officials, it is, the president as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, does deserve some credit. serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. obviously, u.s. intelligence before treatment, get tested for tb. all the fighters. they will reform. community, u.s. military for a very symbolic and moral victory tell your doctor if you've been to areas they may splinter and so forth. they're very decentralization. where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, their in formality in some ways over baghdadi. is a degree of strength. but the organization of isis are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. so i think we have to keep the doesn't really rely on one accomplishment as meaningful as leader. don't start humira if you have an infection. it is in perspective. he's a very kind of big symbolic and more important, or just as be there for you, and them. leader. as we've been talking about for ask your gastroenterologist about humira. important, you got to take a step back and say are we putting the show, you know, it's a very with humira, control is possible. ourselves in a position where we can do this sort of thing again and again, as we will need to object tuesday organization. you have cells going throughout do. and now, i think the jury is the middle east, africa and out, or you've got to say it is south asia. going to become much more difficult. we are not going to have the forces on the ground collecting baghdadi while important the intelligence. we're not going to have partners symbolically, is not too important to the overall operation of the organization. like the syrian kurds and other so he was the fourth leader of kurds doing so much. al qaeda in iraq. there are still questions about the willingness of this administration to work closely there will be a fifth leader and with its own intelligence community. so again, yesterday was an sixth leader. it's not really dealing with the important day. ideology and that's what but we shouldn't exaggerate it. officials are telling me.
and i'm really worried about with the reduction of the going forward, whether we're going to be able to repeat, this footprint, not only the military because we're going to need to. but the u.s. civilian presence, >> well, this foreign policy it just shows this operation, achievement, mika, reportedly, how critical the u.s. is on the almost didn't happen. ground. there's nobody that can do what and it didn't happen because of the u.s. does. to the point of turkey, there's donald trump's witddely criticid a reason that the u.s. did not foreign policy decision. >> the "new york times" is launch this operation from reporting, citing multiple turkey, which is five military and counter-terrorism kilometers, as we've been saying, from where this is all officials quote for months intelligence officials had kept been going on. they did it from iraq. mr. trump apprised of what he that's because they don't trust the turks. had set as a top priority, the hunt for mr. al-baghdadi, the because they are some of the world's most wanted terrorist. militias are -- have relations but mr. trump's abrupt with the turks. this is really what's bothering withdrawal order from northeast syria three weeks ago disrupted officials right now and also to the meticulous planning under the point of the kurds, listen, i'll give you something way, and forced pentagon else. the european nations have been a officials to speed up the plan the kurds could have easily said for the risky night raid before as trump said, they were primed tremendous disappointment because i personally called but their ability to control troops, my people called a lot, take because they were fighting the last three days. spies and reconnaissance your isis fighters. and they didn't want them. they could have turned around and said, we've been fighting aircraft disappeared with the they said, we don't want them. the last three days. pull-out. we have problems of our own. they came from france, they came mr. al-baghdadi's death and the we can't help you out. from germany, they came from the raid on saturday, they said, the americans are very lucky the occurred largely in spite of, uk. they came from a lot of kurds stood by their word and
and not because of, mr. trump's helped the u.s. out. countries. and i actually said to them, you it's very clear that next time don't take them, i'm going to they may not be there. actions. those actions include allowing drop them right on your border >> he died like a dog, crying, and you can have fun capturing them again. the formally u.s. backed kurds to defend for themselves against screaming, whimpering. >> president trump with that the major turkish assault. delta force is the greatest warning to our european allies in his news conference military unit the world knows. however american officials said it shows america's reach. yesterday. joining us now, vice chair of the kurds continued to provide we can go anywhere at any time the house armed services and successfully help democracy committee, democratic information to the cia on mr. congressman anthony brown of and rescue people and kill our maryland. al-baghdadi's information after he is a veteran of the iraq war trump's betrayal and the kurds enemies, but those words uttered by the president of the united and a recipient of the bronze star. provided more intelligence than any single country for the raid. also with us, distinguished in a tweet, the syrian states, talk about a film clip lecturer at stanford university that an 18-year-old, unemployed, democratic forces call it a and nbc news and msnbc senior desperate, hopeless young person foreign affairs analyst, brett in egypt or in saudi arabia or mcgurk. he recently served as special five-month joint operation, in yemen or in iraq and iran president trump thanked the presidential envoy for the kurds after he thanked the global coalition to defeat isis look at what do they think? russians. >> i want to thank the nations you can't defeat an idea with -- at the state department. of russia, turkey, syria, and >> like i said earlier, it's iraq and the syrian kurds for brett, your latest in the going to add fuel to the fire "washington post" is entitled, certain support they were able for recruitment. baghdadi's death underscores i can see it plastered all over what we have lost by abandoning to give us. >> you can tell us what role the kurds played in this generally. the internet. this is john wayne bravado. syria's kurds. >> they gave us not a military i want to ask you what we lost role at all but they gave us reflects a deep insecurity in but also ask you about the some information that turned out impact of his death. to be helpful. donald trump. that insecurity was evidenced in
his comparison of the murder of the kurds. the kurds have worked along >> well, on your second question incredibly with us. but in all fairness it was much baghdadi with osama bin laden. first, it's a landmark day, and easier dealing with the kurds all of this has something to do after they went through three with what he takes -- what he b. really, i was thinking all day days of fighting. yesterday about the victims of because that was a brutal three isis, thousands of victims, baghdadi is a ruthlessly days. >> david ignatius, we will let particularly evil individual. you take it from there. what we heard yesterday, died he kind of institutionalized mass enslavement, mass rape, you obviously know this, you like a dog, is donald trump have been there several times, and you just have to look at mass murder, genocide, so it's a hyperventilating his what happened, and i'm sure you know this better than any of us, masculinity. landmark day and the credit goes the heroes were once again the i'm a man. i'm john wayne with my to our men and women who put these operations together. kurds, who did quite a bit more six-shooters. muslims across the region are and like david ignacious on your delighted. last segment, i spent a lot of than what donald trump said from baghdadi has been killing all reports and also our special muslims on a rampage. time in syria and sieiraq worki forces, our u.s. troops, men and they're happy this man is dead with them. truly remarkable and a tribute women in uniform over there, and in the ground. you've seen them, they are the what we do know is what donald to them and something that i trump did yesterday over 48 hope can bring the country best that there is. together a little bit. minutes will lead to the on the point in the op-ed, these >> well, joe, and mika, let's things don't just happen. this is painstaking years of recruitment of other desperate start there. the soldiers who do these young folk who will be attracted work. to an ideology because the and relationship building. united states is doing what it and developing access into operations, the special operations forces, drawn typically does. plus, he just told them what networks. isis really is a network. primarily from the army, but they're there for is to protect also from other services, are the oil anyway. >> wow. and so, what you want to do when just the best at fighting, the that is for sure. you have a major operation like this is the term of art is you want to bring mass effects to the network. ayman, thank you for being on that means, we're going to best fighting force in the this morning. collect a lot of information off
world. they operate just as a tempo, we'll be watching "first look this site, and we want to immediately be able to follow and locations, that are through on that to just collapse difficult, in a way that nobody whatever remains of the "morning. coming up, president trump foundation of isis. else can. they also work well in other admitted he withheld information and the fact that we have over on the raid from top partner nations which typically the last month basically don't want to be disclosed, but congressional democrats over fears of, quote, leaks. abandoned most of northeast it's been widely reported that ranking member of the homeland syria, the areas that we really france and britain have some security member, democratic helped claw back from isis, forces that have done similar senator gary peters is standing operations. by with his response to that their former caliphate, it will since the beginning of this war, decision. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. make it much more difficult to going back to 2014, our special is your wa. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, do that and our partnership with operations forces have conducted the syrian democrat forces because we've already left all basically nightly attacks on month after month, the traditional kurdish areas, isis targets. the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. they have killed in the they're either in the hands of thousands, probably tens of ongoing pain and stiffness turkey or russia and the assad thousands, using drones, jet are signs of joint erosion. regime as we consolidate in a humira can help stop the clock. fighters overhead, and other remote area near an oil field, it's going to be much harder to means of attack. prescribed for 15 years, sustain those relationships that just steady, relentless humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation allow us to do these things as a degradation of the enemy. that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. all along, the effort was to country. >> congressman brown, to you, humira can lower your ability to fight infections. target al-baghdadi the leader. the impact of baghdadi's death. and one of the ironies of the serious and sometimes fatal infections >> yeah, i also agree that this operation that was announced including tuberculosis, and cancers, is a landmark day. it's a very good day in the yesterday by the president is that it had to be speeded up, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, global effort to defeat isis and because of the consequences of serious allergic reactions, i think it demonstrates that u.s. leadership is critical. and new or worsening heart failure.
his, in many people's view, there's no other nation that has tell your doctor if you've been to areas hasty pullout of the u.s. forces where certain fungal infections are common, the will or the ability to bring from syria. i'm told by my sources that it and if you've had tb, together an international was days or weeks that they had hepatitis b, coalition, nor the military to get this done. are prone to infections, capability to reach the way that because we were losing our or have flu-like symptoms or sores. we do, whether it's taking on platforms. don't start humira if you have an infection. high value targets, taking them we were losing our ability to do an operation of this help stop the clock out like al-baghdadi or on further irreversible joint damage. sophistication. so that's one irony. maintaining the pressure that we need to main tan on isis so i a second is that the syrian talk to your rheumatologist. think it's a very good day but kurds, so-called syrian right here. right now. also highlights the point that democratic forces, continued to humira. we need to maintain a presence in syria, need to continue to act in close partnership with work with our partners on the the united states, even after we i'm working to make connections of a different kind. adp helps canyon ranch place the right people ground, in this case, the syrian had announced effectively a kurds, so that we can maintain in the right jobs, so employees like dave maximum pressure on isis. betrayal of them, leaving them can achieve what they're working for. otherwise, you'll see a to their enemies the turk, see reemergence. isis is alike a hydra, cut off you later, charlie, even then, one head and it will replenish, they continued to provide the reconstitute itself so continued kind of intelligence and other support that made this operation pressure is critical in syria possible. and this region of the world. so it's just a rare partnership, >> congressman, it's difficult to separate the skill, courage, you just have to be thankful for people who even when they in and expertise of the assets, effect have gotten kicked still military and intelligence, that are willing to help you out. final point that i would make, we had on the ground in northern syria over the weekend but you made it earlier, but the tone of president trump's president trump seemed to do his remarks, it is a great day for
everybody involved in this raid, best to provide a separation when he used the following and president trump made some tough decisions, hats off to him language, describing the death for that, but to call these of al-baghdadi. he died crying, screaming, whimpering, and he died like a adversaries, and say they died like a dog, and that kind of dog. given your background, given language, it is inflammatory, but it is so in contrast to what your military background, in a close quarters fire fight, given president obama said in his the noise, confusion, and the brief fairly dry nine-minute velocity of the noise in a account of the killing of osama firefight, how do you think it's bin laden. there is a fascinating passage possible that he was able to -- or someone was able to hear the words of al-baghdadi? in a book by ben rhodes, mr. >> sure, look, i agree with the president would you like toe display more footage of osama secretary. it's going to be important to bin laden's body, his burial, et hear the more detailed accounts cetera, and trump turned to him and said, and we are not going that come back from the field to spike the football. and from the combatant used that exact phrase. so in this case, you have more commander. president obama took nine minutes to announce to the world of that taking credit, spiking that we had killed osama bin the football, and it may come laden. president trump took 40 minutes back to hurt us but in all an of basically self-promoting operation where we had this piece is talking yeah?. himself, a lot of bravado and so what do you see? incredible support. >> mike barnicle, you want to i see an unbelievable opportunity. unnecessary and inappropriate follow up on that. language that both i think >> and off of what david said, i see best-in-class platforms and education.
inspires perhaps future isis inevitably, joe, there is going to be an autopsy, journalistic, i see award-winning service, and a trade desk full of experts, fighters but also may have forensic autopsy of this event disclosed or revealed some available to answer your toughest questions. methods and capabilities of our over the weekend and find out a lot more details about it. and i see it intelligence assets, so that 40 one of the details we're going with zero commissions on online trades. minutes should have been closer to find out about is the president's usage of language to to 9 and he could have i like what you're seeing. eliminated a lot of the language describe how al-baghdadi died, that he did to describe what it's beautiful, isn't it? yeah. crying, wimpering, running, td ameritrade now offers zero commissions on online trades. happened and al-baghdadi dying like a dog. ♪ himself. >> hey, brett, it's jonathan. yesterday in speaking with two people, both with combat two questions. experience in the pentagon, the first to follow up on that idea that he could hear this, or point, what do you make of the president's rather inflammatory that someone told him this, language and what sort of impact given the chaos and the noise could that actually have, and confusion of a close perhaps destabilizing, perhaps quarters firefight, that clearly inspiring future isis members or other terrorists? happened, it's going to be and secondly, you know, it's interesting to find out exactly never been too many moments how he picked out these sounds where republicans in the senate and these words and supposedly have been willing to break with the president, his syria policy uttered by al-baghdadi. was one of them. do you think this success >> i mean jonathan, the yesterday will pacify them or do you think that those complaints secretary of defense was asked will continue? and said no, i didn't hear that, >> you know, jonathan, maybe i had no information on that. >> yes, he tried to cover for because i've been so close to the president. this mission, just my main suggesting that maybe he spoke thbecause with nband after thleague pass on xfinityr. thoughts have been on what's to some of the commanders on the happened over there and our guys ground and was told that way but you can watch the out of market games you want- are doing this and all the all season long. victims of isis.
you're right he did not verify and with the all-new xfinity sports zone, the president's first part of that at all. and to the point, the first few you get everything nba all in one place- the statement, i thought, was minutes of the president's address, you know, sort of even notifications about your favorite teams. okay. obviously, in his question and sounded like one of, one of his answer kind of went all over the watch the dropped dimes, predecessors could have given monster blocks, and showstopping dunks. place, talking about shifting but it wasn't in the nine the entire mission out of minutes that barack obama spoke, plus get instant access to your teams very somberly about osama bin protecting an oil field. i mean, these things have with the power of your voice. broader implications. laden's death, this turned into i helped build the global a 48-minute free-willing news that's simple, easy, awesome. coalition myself, general allen, say nba league pass into your voice remote conference. that felt like any other trump it grew to almost 80 countries. to check out a free preview. that was a coalition that was built on the common effort to event. he took a shot at democrats. don't miss out. fight isis. the minute you shift the mission feeling he couldn't trust them to protecting oil or something else, you're going to lose all not to leak details of the your coalition partners, and operations. he took a shot at the european what's important about the syria allies saying they were not mission and what is so doing enough in the region. unfortunate is that we really the united states had to do it built it learning -- applying the russians are targeting alone. he gave over and over, he gave all the hard lessons learned you. praise to russia for helping, >> the russians don't want me to from the iraq war, the afghanistan war, and they all for their assistance because they let american helicopters be president and trump doesn't kind of get jumbled together but want me to be the nominee. and aircraft go over certain thins are coming across they're not jumbled together. russian-controlled air space. very, very seriously. the mission in syria was small, it was light, it was >> how concerned are you about sustainable. it became an attempt to just we never had more than really unleash more and more foreign interference in this 2,000 americans on the ground at election? grievances, as if he were at a >> i'm very concerned about any given time. rally stage, rather than from until the beginning of this the white house, announcing such foreign interference beyond me. a victory. everybody knows what's going on. year, when president trump and this is something where he ordered our forces to leave and then revisited that decision, we trump doesn't only not want to do anything about it, he's going had only lost two americans killed in action. is so clearly desperate for a out and asking for help. we tragically lost four this victory, his people around him help me, help biden from being year after that announcement was know he is in a very perilous the nominee. political time right now and he made.
is going to try to milk this one >> he's perpetuating. so, it was small. >> how is he perpetuating it? we weren't fighting. for as great as an we weren't taking casualties, we accomplishment as it is, he is weren't spending a lot of going to try to turn it into the >> by encouraging them to get american taxpayer money because involved in our elections. we had a big coalition and i most political win he can. >> but trump says russian think to simply lump that in >> he also took a shot at the interference is a hoax. >> he's an idiot on terms of with the endless war talk as saying that. everybody knows this. kurds, that was so interesting president trump does and to everybody knows it. basically give up that mission nobody doubts it. to me, the group of people who without thinking through the consequences of how you might gave the intelligence on the want to transition some of this ground and suggested that their space, i really think it's been >> a lot of people in foreign cooperation had been brought quite disastrous and it means about because turkish forces had policy community have been that we really cannot follow up concerned about joe biden, whether he's up to the task of attacked them for three days, it effectively after this hugely reduces the odds in the future, running for president of the we have the partner on the successful day in northwestern ground, we're going to need, united states. you've seen him slipping in the syria. so i think i was on the senate. yesterday, it was a victory, but what worries me, it was a bit of i briefed a number of senators a one-off, and it was polls. last week. last night's performance on "60 they really understand the short-lived and we're sowing the complexities of this. minutes" seemed to be very slid it's very thoughtful seeds for problems down the front to back. conversation about what to do. road, because there is no way >> no, absolutely. and they're concerned. that syria, and turkey, and what history suggests, by the and there's very little support russia are going to be way, front-runners when they get for sending u.s. forces in with consistent partners with us attacked but if they somehow a mission just to protect an oil against terrorism in the middle manage to survive it and hang in field. >> congressman brown, this is there, the same forces that led eddie. them to becoming a front-runner i wanted to follow up on east. >> and i was just going to say, precisely what was just said. are still present. so, i think a lot of people have it is, i wanted to ask you been very quick to dismiss vice look, we see the success of the delta force and bringing again, the consequences of these president biden saying that he's things, admiral, where the out of it, it's a question of al-baghdadi to justice in some president notifies the russians, ways. and we juxtapose that with but does not notify the top elizabeth warren or someone else.
that could still be right. president trump's policies in elected leaders in congress, but i think what he showed last syria. and we -- then we hear him talk something that never happened, night that it's way, way in my years of congress, or in following it, over the past premature to count him out. about deploying u.s. troops to just on the substance of what he quarter century. the president notified, or said, joe, this is real. protect the oil. what is the president or the the head of the fbi said what white house's strategy in this region? happened in 2016 and '18 was what can we -- what can we glean from this? is it just confusion, praised the russians first and nothing more than a dress then took a swipe at our allies rehearsal for 2020. incoherence? what do you take to be the the kurds, and of course, it was strategy in this region from so, this question of foreign interference from russia, the -- this white house? the intel community that made potentially china, potentially >> well, i think what we glean this possible, along with the special forces, and the intel north korea, iran and others who from this is there really is no strategy. i mean, you know, the president community that the president has have these capabilities, this is real. if there's a threat to american fluctuates from, you know, vilified since getting into the december of last year talking democracy coming from abroad right now, we spent the morning about drawing down all 2,000 white house. it was a lot of irony yesterday talking about terrorism. coming out of the white house. that's one. u.s. forces in syria. this is another one. a different kind of a threat. he delays it. but just as insidious in its then he implements it. on what was a very good day for way. almost putting into jeopardy we have to take it the u.s. military, and the this mission that occurred on country itself, but once again, saturday night, sunday morning. let me speak to the issue about the president seemingly unaware >> of course the director of national intelligence on the exactly what he is supposed to protecting the oil fields. hill talking about ukraine while i think it is appropriate do as commander in chief and actuallyfact, greater than a to do what we can to deny isis president of the united states. thermonuclear blast from north >> yes, again, all credit to the korea. access to the oil fields, you've also had the because we know that isis as special forces conventional fbi, the cia, you know, military forces who backed them up, the used the revenues that -- generated from the black market intel community, our sensor intel people. sale of oil to fund its systems, and the national you've had everybody -- security agency, and there are a department of homeland security operations, for the president to
lot of heroes. chief all saying that russians suggest that we will invite u.s. i was surprised that we did not interfering in america's democracy in this election is oil companies in, that violates the greatest risk. international law. that oil belongs to the syrian share this with congressional all of those people were leadership. i was supreme allied commander appointed by donald trump. government, whether we like the so, just, fyi. syrian government or not, and for four years, three years it's a very, very barbaric commander of southern command, mike barnicle, curious what your and two years senior military take was on joe biden. government under assad. assistant to the secretary of defense as a three star, you he certainly -- he seemed to be those resources ought to be used focused. know, over ten to 12 years in listen, with everybody talking one day to stabilize and bring this zone, we did this. peace to syria, not to profit about fund-raisers, talking u.s. oil companies. so it's very distasteful and look at leon panetta during the about their concerns with biden, violates international law. the possibility of looking for osama bin laden, he kept just the mere talk of that, as another candidate, the pressure congress informed. people have said earlier on this so i think that strengthens our was on joe biden last night to show, sort of contravenes 20 deliver. certainly from my reading of it, democracy, and certainly there is leaking. years of what we have been i will tell you the pentagon has he did exactly that. fighting against in terms of the a lot of leaks. >> he delivered. image that the u.s. is in the the national security council has a lot of leaks. there is a lot of leaking to go in talking about joe biden and middle east simply to gain around. if you keep it tight, with the his campaign right now, i can access to oil reserves. clearly recall, as you can in actual leadership on the hill, october of 2011, john mccain was in my view, you will be able to >> all right, congressman dead in the water. he's not going to make it. anthony brown, thank you very maintain operational security. he's done. much. brett mcgurk, thank you as well. let's figure out who's going to be the nominee. last point, i want to kind of well, john mccain had the very much. pick up richard's thought, a an upcoming book on james very good one, hey, will the resilience necessary to get the nomination. i think joe's base of support madison's tenure as secretary of gives him the same kind of kurds come back and help us resilience. and to the other point that you defense claims president trump told mattis to, quote, screw again, what is happening in the
middle east, i just want to made, joe, in terms of the amazon out of a $10 billion broad continue and say if you're a south corner this morning, and intelligence agencies, the cloud contract for the pentagon. you see, south korean this intelligence agencies of the united states government, the the joint enterprise defense morning, and you see that the kurds have been kind of kicked nsa, the cia, assets on the infrastructure contract was to the curb, how confident are ground, these are the same awarded to microsoft on friday you in the reliability of the people that the president of the evening, sending its stock up united states has previously united states as an ally? more than 3%. president trump says we're going the contract is capped at $10 billion over the next 10 to looeeave those blood-stained years. demean if it ends up being worth that sands, i get it, we want to get demeaned, implicated of heinous much, it would likely be a bigger deal to microsoft than it out of these endless war, on the other hand if you're hearing would have been to amazon. that and you're a south korean, things these are the same people and same agencies he demeaned in the account was written by you got to ask yourself, is president trump going to be here the last year and a half. mattis's speech writer, in the on the snow-covered peaks of the >> and i think as things get crazier, watching the presidency forthcoming book korean peninsula? if you're in an es stonian, you unfolding and sort of more entitled "holding the line: dictator-like in the language inside trump's pentagon with got to wonder about the commitment of the united states, that is being used by the people secretary mattis." he writes that mattis said he when things get tough, around the president even, i wasn't going to follow through especially if it is russian with the president's demands. think biden's argument that he tanks that end up rolling into this will be done by the book, has the experience and he can run things and he can bring both legally and ethically, estonia. so there is a lot of regional mattis said, according to the things back to normal is going reverberation here. to be even more powerful. book. in a statement, general mattis but i would argue like a stone joining us now, ranking member said he doesn't intend to read in a pond, it goes further and of the homeland security the book and said, quote, m further into the global committee, member of the armed environment, and will haunt us services committee, democratic going into the future. mr. snodgras was a junior senator gary peters of michigan. >> admiral james stadviridis, he's also a former lute ept staffer. he was appointed to a position
commander in the u.s. navy reserve. thank you very much for being on of trust at the deputy of thank you very much, his book "sailing true north" out now. the show this morning. defense and surreptitiously taking notes without first we'd love to hear your authorization for a and still ahead on moon jae-in, we go live to iraq, self-promoting personal project reaction to the way the is a clear violation of that courtney kube has new reporting president rolled out this news trust. he may receive a few brief on the raid that took down the yesterday morning. leader of isis. >> well, certainly the way he moments of attention for this you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. rolled it out and going into book, but those moments will be incredible detail about the greatly outweighed by the fact operation surprisingly. that's not something normally that to get them, he surrendered that is put out by a president of the united states. his honor." you know, those are kinds of wow. we'll be talking to the book's details that will come in briefings to us. author and we will ask him about as a member of the armed services committee, many that. briefings are done in a classified setting. all right, we're going to go it's best not to put out to live pictures right now, information that could be used by an adversary to understand president trump talking to how operations are conducted. report e reporters, i believe, at joint base andrews an his way to so, i have real concerns about chicago. let's take a listen. >> stock market. good numbers are being -- area where you may have they're good numbers are concerns. the president said yesterday happening all the time. that he did not notify top we have good numbers happening democratic lawmakers about this that life of the party look all the time. very soon, i guess we're in walk it off look raid as an advance or as it was record territory for stocks, one more mile look ongoing. he did tell some key reply all look republicans, he mentioned own your look... senator lindsey graham, senator that's great for 401(k)s, that's ...with fewer lines. great for everything. there's only one botox® cosmetic. great for jobs. richard burr but he said he felt it's the only one... so, things are going good.
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spread all across parts of syria little bit ahead of schedule, maybe a lot ahead of schedule. ♪ and iraq, plus this is a very a revolutionary solution that lets you deploy, manage, support probably we'll sign it. ganization. they use the internet and tools i imagine the meeting is scheduled for chile. and secure all your devices from the cloud. of social media to inspire i know they have some difficulties right now in chile, violence around the world and so you can stop going in circles, other places. but i know the people in chile the fight isn't over. this was a good step. and i'm sure they'll be able to and start moving forward. work it out. i'll certainly say that. there's no question about that. >> mr. president -- >> why did you have such an but we have to stay focused on aggressive response to john if you have moderate to thsevere rheumatoid arthritis, kelly's comments over the it and that's going to take the weekend? >> oh, i don't think it's month after month, whole of government approach to aggressive at all. the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. do. >> senator, that's what i was i would be surprised if he made going to ask you. obviously a lot of questions those comments in a negative from republicans, independents, way, but i don't think the ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. response would be if he actually democrats, reporters on exactly said that, if he actually meant humira can help stop the clock. how the president rolled it out, how he didn't notify democrats, that, i said what i would do and prescribed for 15 years, that, i mean. humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation how he used the words of saddam >> mr. president, are you hussein and moammar gadhafi. concerned that nancy pelosi and that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. others can't be trusted with this kindnformation? but, all of that aside, is >> well, i guess the only thing humira can lower your ability to fight infections. america safer today because the is they were talking about why didn't i give the information to serious and sometimes fatal infections head of isis was killed? adam schiff and his committee, including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; do u.s. troops, if they have to and the answer is because i as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, think adam schiff is the biggest leaker in washington. re-engage in that region down you know that. serious allergic reactions, the road, is their fight a more i know that. and new or worsening heart failure. we all know that. i've watched adam schiff leak. tell your doctor if you've been to areas manageable one because this he's a corrupt politician. where certain fungal infections are common, he's a leaker like nobody's ever and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, heinous terrorist has been seen before. are prone to infections, killed? >> well, there's no question the we had a very good conversation
world is better off with him or have flu-like symptoms or sores. with the ukrainian president. being killed. i think that is clear. don't start humira if you have an infection. however, i think we've really the conversation was perfect. they don't ever talk about the help stop the clock missed a real opportunity here conversation. on further irreversible joint damage. because our forces have moved it started with a whistle-blower. now they don't want the out of that area. i think we could have pursued a talk to your rheumatologist. more aggressive path to really whistle-blower. then they had a second whistle-blower. right here. right now. take on isis. now they don't want the second whistle-blower. the reason is that when the it's certainly clear our forces were able to get an awful lot of humira. thbecause with nband after thleague pass on xfinityr. whistle-blower, when they saw intelligence information in that what the whistle-blower wrote you can watch the out of market games you want- and then when i released the all season long. raid. they will process that and with the all-new xfinity sports zone, information. they can act very quickly. conversation, which bore no you get everything nba all in one place- but in order to act quickly, you relationship to what the even notifications about your favorite teams. need to have forces in the whistle-blower saw, they said region to actually do that. their case was out the window. watch the dropped dimes, and i think it's a disgrace. monster blocks, and showstopping dunks. and frankly, i told republicans had this happened two weeks ago, plus get instant access to your teams three weeks ago before the who are really being taken president took this very advantage of, they're really with the power of your voice. impulsive action of pulling that's simple, easy, awesome. people out of northern syria, being maligned and i think it's this raid would have been even a horrible thing. say nba league pass into your voice remote more effective because it would they're really looking to hurt have allowed us to follow up on to check out a free preview. the republican party. don't miss out. that intelligence in a much more and it's turning out to be just the opposite. robust way than we're going to be able to do right now because so, one thing i said. we pulled our forces out. >> so, say a little more about i'd rather go into the details of the case rather than process. this. i mean, how do you understand -- i mean, donald trump -- process is wonderful. we already have process. president trump stood up and took credit for this. he was donald trump in taking credit for it in interesting sorts of ways. then we get this idea of
we had 50 of 53 republicans sign redeploying troops to protect the oil. how do it you understand his up but property access is good, strategy, the strategy of the white house in this region, even and the case is simple and though baghdadi is dead? quick. i had a great conversation with what do we make of what they're up to in this moment? >> well, i think that's a good the ukrainian president. point. we don't know what the strategy i had another conversation with is. we don't have a strategy. him, also, i think before that just pulling out troops in a that was the same thing. very abrupt way and the images it was nothing. they tried to take that people saw of us leaving quickly, destroying equipment, conversation and make it into a big scandal. blowing up the equipment, that's not an image any number of the the problem was we had it u.s. armed forces wants to see. turkey for the next 200 years. then you hear about the president talking about oil and transcribed. an exact transcription of the they've been fighting for he talked about how much money hundreds of years. we're out. but we are leaving soldiers to is involved. this is not about money. this is not about oil. secure the oil. it's about making sure that isis and we may have to fight for the doesn't reconstitute itself. oil. it's okay, maybe somebody else conversation. wants the oil, in which case that shouldn't be the focus. they didn't think i would it shouldn't be about protecting release the conversation. when i release the conversation they have a hell of a fight but an i'll site that isis may there is massive amounts of oil. capture at some point in the again, somebody else may claim future. it should be about preventing isis in the first place from i blew up schiff's act. it but either we'll negotiate a reconstituting so it's not a deal with whoever is claiming it threat to the oil field and not if we think it is fair or we a threat to the united states of will militarily them very america. quickly. we have tremendous power in that part of the world. >> richard, this attack had to flofs statement there was no
>> joining us now, live from be launched from iraq instead of anything, and the foreign turkey, even though that would minister of ukraine made a irbil iraq, nbc news and have been safer, far more statement, there was absolutely national security and military convenient for our troops, more no pressure put on -- they correspondent courtney kube. effective logistically, but we didn't even know what we were courtney, in his announcement, couldn't trust the turks. president trump also talked a talking about and just to finish it off, adam schiff went up lot about the region's oil and how much longer do we keep before congress and he made up you have some new reporting this turkey as a member of nato? morning on u.s. troop movements my words. even if they stay a member of in the area. tell us about it. nato, why do we continue calling them our ally when they seem to >> reporter: that's right, mika, no one thought i would release be anything but our ally right so we know now, president trump the conversation. said very clearly yesterday, now? when we can't even trust them to i got the approval from ukraine. that u.s. troops would have this new mission of securing oil in once i released the launch an attack from their conversation, this thing all syria and talked about the importance of that mission. country because they will reveal died and that's what they should be looking -- and adam schiff we now have seen the first of to the head of isis that we're went before congress and adam those deployments move here from on our way. >> i think it's important to recall and never to forget with schiff, what he did, will never here in irbil in syria driving turkey that their principle be forgotten. toward the region where many of he made up a conversation that opponent here are the kurds. was a phoney fabrication, it was the troops will be based. not isis. we don't have a sense of exactly and that is just the beginning a fraud, and people should not how many there will be. and the end of it. we know there will be some light look, turkey's an ally and name, be allowed to get away. they say he has immunity because armored vehicles. joe. formally still a member of nato they moved in on lightly armed he is a member of congress. but not an ally in practice. vehicles that we've seen we simply don't have the overlap people should not be allowed to throughout iraq and afghanistan in the last several years. do that. they also will have tanks, that is a criminal act. of interests, we don't have the though. so that indicates that not only assumption of cooperation in sir
are the u.s. military troops who kra. are going in there, are they with russia they're busy buying worried about the potential for some kind of a clash with isis, air defense systems. but they're worried about the we've learned historically we can't count on them to provide potential for actually access to our bases. the president is setting down confrontations with more heavily nato, the treaty, does not have armed adversaries. a mechanism for kicking a some markerings eers of what ho in this case, it would likely be russia or the syrian regime. country out. be covered today. on saturday i was honored to both of them border this area, i don't think that's the answer. i think what we really need to speak to an amazing group of do is approach turkey not as an women at austin text at the ally, not with the assumption right along the euphrates river they're going to protect our valley. interests. so it proves in fact the u.s. but, rather, that we -- just the military is at least concerned about the possibility of this empowering you summit. new deployment they could have opposite. we have to narrow the and yesterday, our very own some kind of a confrontation. we also know that this new relationship. one day think about the whole mission will have a smaller footprint than what we've seen nuclear relationship with turkey. but the idea we would allow with the u.s. troops there, for the past several years. american lives to depend upon daniel with this smaller footprint of danielle pierre bravo spoke at course, leads to the possibility turkish cooperation, that seems that there will be less to be reached. senator, i don't know how you opportunities to gather feel about that, but what is the under 30 summit in detroit. intelligence on the ground. there will be less working with s she talked about how millennials it -- you know, other than partners there on the ground. sanctions, what do you think you can own their financial power. so the raid that we saw over the and your colleagues on the hill and a special tip for women only are prepared to do about this relationship? at knowyourvalue.com. weekend, that killed abu bakr can you imagine a narrowing of today's monday motivation, learn the u.s./turkish relationship? to press reset, women are great >> i can see that. al-baghdadi, the isis leader, you're right, we do have to at it, women struggle with it things like that will not only be less likely but much riskier approach our relationship with constantly. why it is so important to shake turkey in a careful way.
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all season long. brian, tell us about the eu small footprint but with massive and with the all-new xfinity sports zone, positive ramifications for u.s. you get everything nba all in one place- this morning passing a third foreign policy. even notifications about your favorite teams. but donald trump saying no, i want to end endless wars and watch the dropped dimes, brexit extension. bringing the troops home. monster blocks, and showstopping dunks. >> we're officially into next these kids need to be home. year. happy new year. and that was the argument that plus get instant access to your teams let me be the first you wish you republicans said, well, trump with the power of your voice. that. that's simple, easy, awesome. this has been the story that say nba league pass into your voice remote keeping on going in the news said, and here we see a couple of weeks later, donald trump, is to check out a free preview. tykele. don't miss out. here is the one it was supposed going to keep troops there. to be a hard brex sit. not bring them home. they called it do or die by to, one, defend oil. october 31st. and two, instead of our allies, they're going to extend it now defend oil and not our allies, hello and hello, new mexico, to jan uary 31st, but there is n and two, to go to saudi arabia, by far my favorite new mexico. where they are going to be in so great to be here in the great exception. they said okay, you can wait until january 3 1st, but if you effect paid pemercenaries which city of albacore, tuna capital can come to a deal before then of the yas. we'll let you go. i came back for a surprise rally if you don't do it by 391st, really expands upon what richard haas just said, again, as we always say, if you want to because i heard they're building that's your hard deadline, we understand donald trump's foreign policy, you need to look a wall on the border of colorado really mean it this time, but if at his bottom line. to keep the mexicans out. you can come to a deal you can can we bring up the bad place? his own personal bottom line. do it between now and then. not even the bottom line of the as you can see, most of america the hope among many is that is good. except for the parts that are there will be a new general
united states. bad or lakes. election, that boris johnson he brags about the hundreds of thank you, raquel. will put his legacy on the line. millions of dollars that the raquel is a former miss teen usa saudis have given him. and here you have donald trump we can be cycling through prime doing what? and our current secretary of energy. ministers here in the uk at a taking troops out of syria, and record peace. right now there is a little replacing them and putting them >> oy. down into saudi arabia. reprieve, again, for the eu, uk, career diplomat philip reeker the kids aren't coming home. they're protecting oil in syria, and brexit negotiations. testified saturday behind closed doors that the former u.s. >> brian sullivan, thank you and they're protecting the very much. saudis' oil. ambassador to ukraine, before we close today, eddie >> that's right. and because the saudis will pay for it. ambassador marie yovanovitch, wanted to take a few moments to and these other american troops, talk about the passing of john they aren't coming home, they was fired by the direction of have been shifted and either staying in syria to protect the president trump at the oil fields and some have gone, recommendation of trump's personal lawyer rudy giuliani. moved to iraq but they're not sources familiar with his coming home despite the president's promises, despite deposition tell nbc news that him claiming that he is keeping reeker said he and his one of his campaign pledges. colleagues in the european conyers. bureau at the state department that's not what is going on but for the majority of his tried to put out a statement in here. the president and the white career, representative john house will try to use the success yesterday to sell their support of yovanovitch but were syria policy. conyers was a star on liberal to sell the movement, the told no by under-secretary david withdrawal of the troops from hale. issues. if it wasn't for him we would reeker also reportedly testified most of syria, and try to get not have the martin luther king support from republican senators that he knew nearly $400 million who really are opposed to. of military aid was being holiday. he has been put on the just a >> it the same republican second for questions of senators mind you who would hold the president's fate in their withheld from ukraine in july reparations. he fought on the front lines for
hands, will they get to an after a meeting with ambassador bill taylor but did not know questions of vietnam. impeachment trial sometime next why. year but i think that is a hard reeker also testified that he was a towering giant. argument to make and i would former special envoy for his career is a example of who simply say "the new york times" sub-head on the main story and what he today for. today, is simply this. we lost a giant today. president knew of hunt. ukraine, ambassador kurt volker, his syria withdrawal made it >> the interesting thing too, was communicating with giuliani. harder. and i think that that is where reeker, who began his post in eddie, is if you look at a guy we are right now. is that there is still, this is certainly a victory here, in the march, spent his first week short term, but they're going to reacting to what he called a like john conyers, he had be long-term ramifications and fake narrative being spread it does not, i think, will not about yovanovitch, which silence the questions about what previous witnesses have the president's foreign policy testified was run by giuliani. is in the middle east. notoriety, but the tirelessness of this man and so many others. reeker said he expressed his >> and i think we'll have to coming up, president trump's concerns over these falsehoods look to see if the president former chief of staff john kelly salutes his passing in any way, says before leaving the to hail and ulrich brechbuhl, administration, he warned the shape, or form. president about the possibility closer adviser to secretary of of impeachment. state mike pompeo. but trump is hitting back, saying it didn't happen. these career diplomats, these foreign policy experts, these he did eventually to elijah last that back and forth and where folks in the state department, things stand with the the ones that do have jobs impeachment inquiry, ahead, on "morning joe." ♪ (dramatic orchestra) because there's a lot of vacancies that the president week. never filled, but having said >> really a measure of a man with all of the people that that, you know, they have showed up for elijah's funeral. different priorities than president trump. it appears the truth is coming >> hello, i'm kris jansing and out in resounding fashion as it is monday, october 28th here
performance comes in lots of flavors. they testify. is what is happening. >> right, mika. house democrats are hoping that today is the day they will get we'll get to phil reeker in a there's the amped-up, over-tuned, minute. i think on this show maybe we answers from john bolton's right feeding-frenzy-of sheet-metal-kind. could start a trend and flip the idea of what the deep state is. hand man. and then there's performance that you know, it's been used as this a key witness surrounding the dirty word by president trump. just leaves you feeling better as a result. decisions regarding ukraine nap and ironically, maybe richard is if he decides to show up for that's the kind lincoln's about. his scheduled deposition which, could catch me, i think it was ♪ the turks who coined this term right now, is still an open of the deep state. question. but president trump considers he asked the courts to decide if the deep state anybody who's not personally loyal to him. he should answer questions. but i think most americans feel the other big question this morning, leaders demanding that's not a bad thing. that's a good thing. answers about why they weren't these people are deeply loyal to the state, the united states of america. and so, i've known phil reeker notified abo for 20 years. i met him when he was working corrupt president in our nation's history. during the clinton when i called for his impeachment administration through the bush two years ago, washington insiders administration, through the and every candidate for president obama administration. he was a deputy spokesman. said it was too soon. but i believed then, as i do now, then he was ambassador to that doing the right thing was more macedonia as a real expert in the balkans and now the top important than political calculations. official for europe. and over eight million people agreed. this is a career diplomat. i don't even know what his we proved that there is no challenge
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of envoy to ukraine by secretary fights cancer, repairs shattered bones, pompeo, one of the president's relieves depression, closest advisers. a lot has been made of the restores heart rhythms, ramifications of yesterday with helps you back from strokes, this attack, the killing of and keeps you healthy your whole life. baghdadi and of course people close to the president feel like it could offer him insurance from the day you're born against impeachment, it may steady some of the republican we never stop taking care of you. senators who were willing to criticize him about syria and, perhaps, would be leaning to vote for his removal if we get to a trial some time next year. what are you seeing, though, connecting these dots both what we saw yesterday with the raid and also this talk of impeachment and focused particularly on the republican senators, do you see what happened yesterday moving the needle at all? do you see this changing the equation as we seem to be hurdling towards impeachment? >> president trump appeared in the role of commander in chief. you can't take away from the fact that this is a bold decision to fly that far, to conduct this operation, to approve it. those are hard decisions for presidents to make.
i don't know that anything that donald trump has done goes to the issues that we're going to be facing as the impeachment inquiry deepens. let's just take one problem for the president going forward, and that's testimony from john bolton, his former national security adviser. john bolton was deeply skeptical of what president trump was trying to do in ukraine. you know, he called it a drug deal, muttered that policy was out of control. there's going to be a real effort to get john bolton to te and if the president tries to stop that. >> that should be fascinating. >> i think he works against all the imagery he'd like to promote of himself as a strong commander in chief so i think we jump right back into the impeachment i said whatever you do, debate with probably quite don't hire a yes man. someone that is going to tell limited follow on impact of the you, won't tell you the truth. don't do that. because if you do, i believe baghdadi mission as powerful as you'll be impeached. it was. >> it should be fascinating to and someone has got to be the hear if we do what john bolton
guy that tells you that, you has to say. know, that, you know, you either thank you so much. have the authority or you don't, still to come, humanitarian or mr. president, don't do it, workers in syria have been evacuating the region amid because, whatever, you know, but safety risks, leaving many civilians worried about getting don't hire someone that would basic necessities. just, you know, nod and say, it's a great idea, mr. dr. dave campbell reports on the president, because you will be dire situation next on "morning joe." we're back in two minutes. "mor impeached. >> oh, wow. joe. we're back itwn o minutes. when you shop for your home at wayfair, well, that, he predicted the future there. >> general nostradamus. >> former chief of staff john kelly saying over the weekend, before leaving the white house, he warned president trump against hiring a yes man. president trump responded in a statement, saying, quote, john kelly never said that, he never said anything like that, if he would have said that, i would have thrown him out of the office. >> whatever. >> this guy, this guy lies so much. >> and they're not even good you get more than free shipping. lies. nobody believes him. you get everything you need for your home at a great price, i don't know why he says that. >> the elephant in the room, the way it works best for you, mick mulvaney. >> where was mick? i'll take that. wait honey, no.
>> and mike barnicle, the white when you want it. you get a delivery experience house press secretary, stephanie you can always count on. grisham hit back in a statement, you get your perfect find at a price to match, saying this. >> oh, my. >> saying this of a man who on your own schedule. you get fast and free shipping on the things that dedicated his life to serving make your home feel like you. the united states military, that's what you get sacrificed his son, and was when you've got wayfair. considered one of the great so shop now! generals of our time, and this person, at the white house, said, this trump apologist said i worked with john kelly and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great president. >> that would be the white house yes secretary stephanie grisham. >> and she actually in that statement, she actually makes john kelly's point for him. >> yes. >> when you have people around you that sound like, again, this is again, go back -- >> yes man, yes woman. >> go back and look, i'm on snl suddenly, go back and look at
the language of not snl but look at the language of what north korean spokes people say about kim jong-un, and what they said about kim jong il, and that's how they talk. that's not how american press secretaries talk. this white house, by the day, is breaking from american traditions, and sounding and acting more unamerican by the day. >> joe, when i read that, i ♪ first thought it was from the onion. i actually did not believe that thousands of civilians in it was uttered by the press northeastern syria are trying to secretary to the president of evacuate the area due to the united states. and jonathan, i'm wondering, joe and mika have raised this a security concerns and lack of medical supplies. couple of times this morning "morning joe" medical contributor dr. dave campbell already, where is mick mulvaney. you never see him, and when you has been looking into the do hear from him, he implicates situation which has intensified himself and impeachable offenses since the u.s. troops pulled out potentially. of the region. where is he? dr. dave, give us a sense of the >> he is not been a visible scope of this. presence since that rather what are the numbers? disastrous news conference in how many people had used the white house ten days or so northern syria as a place of ago. and he made clear, that he was not going to take the same
refuge? approach as john kelly. >> there have been hundreds of thousands using northern syria kelly for a few months had some as a refuge against incursions success, saying no to the president, trying to rein in by turkey, isis, and in fact, some of his more dangerous impulses. eventually the president did it's the syrian kurds who have tune him out. been our allies in support of and by the end of kelly's time the fight against isis. in office, they were barely so, what we now see as of today speaking. so it's unclear whether or not when kelly made those comments when that would have happened, since al baghdadi has been right at the end perhaps but killed is the commander of the mulvaney said from the beginning, he wasn't going to do that, he was going to handle syrian defense forces having some of the other operations in the white house, he was going to let trump be trump. he was going to let trump be grave concern about revenge trump. and we have seen where that has gotten us i suppose. killings by isis of the kurds as >> it is really incredible. they are fleeing this so-called safe zone. things have changed on the john kelly made those comments at a political conference hosted ground dramatically just in the last 24 hours. by the "washington examiner" and >> you're talking about hundreds of thousands of people. joining us now, senior political correspondent for the washington so, for humanitarian workers and examiner, david drugger, also a nongovernmental organizational staff working on this, it's got contributing writer at "vanity to be much more challenging. fair" and also with us editor in what are their options at this point? chief of law fair, benjamin, and >> there are two broad groups of workers right now, those that in his latest piece lawfare, the
are international or westerners and those that are local. collapse of the president's the locals have been able to defense. and we also have with is state stay and provide necessary attorney for palm beach county, humanitarian care, medicines, medical equipment, blood. dave. and joe, it is hard not to see the humor in some of these words there's a grave shortage of that john kelly put out in the blood transfusions right now. but westerners, they've all been president's, and the president's withdrawn. reaction, but you're very write the doctors without borders, the about stephanie grisham's save the children, groups that statement. it's a little frightening. would normally have boots on the >> well -- ground providing humanitarian >> that the white house press aid, they have had to withdraw secretary would release a their workers because it is statement about the genius of the president. gravely unsafe. >> this is what has happened. jonathan wrote a piece back in >> all right. late july, early august, about and obviously, the health issues the insanity inside the white house, that even with people there are extremely dire. i want to jump quickly, before understanding how unmoared and we go to pakistan, what can you how unbalanced this president tell us about a very different was emotionally and politically problem there, an hiv outbreak have the very beginning, that it somehow has gotten worse, gotten in pakistan affecting children. worse this summer, he called jay >> you know, this is -- we powell, europe, an enemy of the people, you know, an enemy of learned just last week but it's the people, only because the fed the second outbreak of hiv chairman did what every respectable economist said, and infections that have started to which he basically said, it's
not a good idea to have all of decimate the small rural areas these trade wars in time and jay in southern pakistan. powell is exactly right because now we're seeing there is a 900 children have now tested positive for hiv and the belief global manufacturing recession is that one or more doctors in large part because of the president's trade the president. around the same time he started using syringes and needles and iv bags over and over again talking about, you know, greenland and he wanted to buy where patients go to clinics in greenland. it's just -- he's gone off the these rural areas and pay about 20 cents for the equivalent of a side of a cliff. it's gotten even worse. visit with the doctor, they're very poor, impoverished areas of i want to go -- david drucker, pakistan and this is the result. i spoke to one of my colleagues in pakistan just this morning, and he believes that there is medical illiteracy fueling this washington xmenner, on friday we heard from kellyanne conway who dressed down and berate and with those local pakistanis who tried to humiliate a reporter just don't know basics. for actually doing her job, >> and dr. dave, from where reporting. you're sitting, you're now and then, of course, this john headed to the bahamas next at kelly comment. this moment. you're going to go back and see which, of course, kelly was where things stand in the wake of hurricane dorian so we look exactly right. we did see how bad things turned forward to your reporting with
worse when there was nobody like that. dr. dave campbell, thank you. kelly or mattis around to check and you can read dr. dave's piece on the humanitarian crisis the president's worst instincts. in syria on our website, >> yeah, it was really joe.msnbc.com. and coming up, more from interesting to hear from general yesterday's extraordinary news kelly because he had conference in which president complimentary things to say about the president throughout trump announced the leader of the conversation. he talked about the fact that the president is a lot smarter isis, al-baghdadi is dead. than his opponents give him credit for. this morning, military and that his china policy, while it congressional leaders say there can be dicey at times is is still work to be done in the war on terror. something that's necessary. china has to be confronted. trump's former special envoy for he also believes the president had learned somewhat on matters the coalition to counter the of foreign policy from some of islamic state, brett mcgurk, his initial instincts to sort of joins us. "morning joe" is back in a moment. joins us "morning joe" is back in a withdraw the united states from moment (logo whooshes) (logo chiming) the world. notwithstanding the fact that in a second interview that weekend he referred to the president's syria pullout as a catastrophically bad idea, quote/unquote. the comments that registered, ♪ obviously, were about - [woman] with shark's duoclean, impeachment and his belief the i don't just clean, i deep clean carpets and floors. president is not being well served in the white house. according to him, as they were so i got this. yep, this too.
having a conversation in his final days as chief of staff, he even long hair and pet hair are no problem. was telling the president, you but the one thing i won't have to clean is this. need somebody who's willing to tell you no. you need somebody who's willing because the shark self-cleaning brush roll to stand up to you and who can removes the hair wrap while i clean. channel your best instincts and not just give you a blank check. - [narrator] shark, the vacuum that deep cleans, now cleans itself. and he never mentioned mick now available in our new uplight model. mulvaney by name but the implications is the white house is not getting it done. as we know, this comes at a time -- general yell's comments come at a time when a lot of republicans on capitol hill have been very upset with how the white house has been handling the impeachment inquiry. they don't believe that the president is serving his own best interest by running things through his twitter feed. and they want to see more organization and more focus. it will be interesting to see how the events of the weekend change republican perspective, if at all. >> you know, he's run events since john kelly has left through his twitter feed, through rambling statements.
and it's -- it's gone -- it's gone terribly. and also rudy giuliani. i mean, rudy giuliani has been running around and probably incriminating himself, but also making it impossible for state department officials to do their job across the world. benjamin, just to confirm what i felt i couldn't be john kelly said, you talk about at my best for my family. in only 8 weeks with mavyret, how all of the president's i was cured and left those doubts behind. i faced reminders of my hep c every day. impeachment offenses are but in only 8 weeks with mavyret, crumbling. my favorite is hacks about i was cured. even hanging with friends i worried about my hep c. donald trump still talking about but in only 8 weeks with mavyret, the whistle-blower, as if the i was cured. mavyret is the only 8-week cure whistle-blower said something through, quote, hearsay, that for all common types of hep c. was not confirmed a thousand before starting mavyret your doctor will test times over since we first heard if you've had hepatitis b which may flare up that report. and cause serious liver problems during and after treatment. everything the whistle-blower said, we have now confirmed in tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b, texts. we now have confirmed in phone a liver or kidney transplant, other liver problems, calls. we now have confirmed in hiv-1, or other medical conditions, and all medicines you take including herbal supplements. testimony.
they are debating process with don't take mavyret with atazanavir or rifampin, the facts are laid on the table. or if you've had certain liver problems. as you say, it just completely common side effects include headache and tiredness. with hep c behind me, i feel free... obliterates the president's ...fearless... defense. >> yeah, i mean, there were a ...and there's no looking back, because i am cured. list of things we were told. talk to your doctor about mavyret. we were told there was no quid pro quo. well, there was a quid pro quo. we were told, well, it was the good kind of quid pro quo, the but we're also a company that controls hiv, good kind that happens all the fights cancer, time during foreign policy. repairs shattered bones, it turns out it wasn't about relieves depression, that. it wasn't all about corruption. restores heart rhythms, we were told it was a malicious helps you back from strokes, whistle-blower. everything the whistle-blower and keeps you healthy your whole life. has said is now confirmed by from the day you're born other people with firsthand or we never stop taking care of you. at least direct knowledge of what happened. and so the factual predicate of the president's defense is sort of gone at this point. what do you do when you're trying to defend against an
impeachment and kind of all of the defenses have disappeared. and the answer is, well, you scream about process, you yell about adam schiff and you shout a lot of insults at people. and that's basically what terrorists who oppress and murder innocent people should they're doing at this point. never sleep soundly knowing that and i'm not in the business of giving strategic advice to the we will completely destroy them. president, but it's not working. and, you know, they're going to need to figure out a different these savage monsters will not escape their fate, and they will not escape the final judgment of god. way of addressing it if only by >> welcome back to "morning joe." that was president trump either doing what bill clinton yesterday confirming the death did, which is to say, hey, i'm of isis leader abu bakr really sorry. al-baghdadi following a raid i shouldn't have done this. over the weekend in northwestern it doesn't rise to the level of syria by u.s. special operations forces. president trump teased the impeachable offense, please announcement in a tweet on forgive me, which is hard to saturday night, writing, "something very big has imagine having donald trump the just happened." >> my god. discipline to do or to come up >> i know. >> by the way, they had not with, this is harder for me to confirmed something big had
happened at the time. imagine, some actual defense >> it gets worse. >> it's a clown show. that is compelling and can stand >> and as "the washington post" up for more than a day and a points out, the white house half. script on the death of brutal >> on friday a federal judge ruled that the -- some grand terrorist, abu bakr al-baghdadi, was short, but president trump jury transcripts from the turned the somber announcement mueller investigation had to be handed over to the house of into a vivid 40-minute news representatives. this is not the first time this has happened. conference that included the same thing was ruled during bravado, detailed descriptions the nixon administration. of military operations, where does the trump questionable statements, and self-promotion. administration go from here other than an obvious appeal? >> from the first day i came to >> mike, the trump lawyers are office, and now we're getting close to three years, i would clearly not tired of winning. they've got the win/loss record say where's al-baghdadi? of a certain washington sports i want al-baghdadi. team. i'm not even talking about the washington nationals or even the and we would kill terrorist washington redskins. i mean, the washington generals, the team that used to lose to leaders but they were names i the harlem globe trotters every never heard of, they were names that weren't recognizable, they weren't the big names, some good night. the judge in a 75-page ruling ones, important ones but they slammed the trump administration for stonewalling and for weren't the big names. i kept saying, where's inventing legal arguments like, al-baghdadi? you need to have a full vote of and a couple of weeks ago, they were able to scope him out. the u.s. house before you can you know, these people are very start an impeachment inquiry. that's not found anywhere in e smart. they're not into the use of cell
phones anymore. they're not -- they're very technically brilliant. you know, they use the internet better than almost anybody in the world, perhaps other than donald trump. the -- eliminated one of the president's arguments to keep but they use the internet his federal employees from testifying. incredibly well and what they've as far as where it goes next, it's going to go to the d.c. done with the internet through recruiting and everything, and circuit court of appeals. that's why he died like a dog, guess who the chief judge is he died like a coward. he was whimpering, screaming, there? and crying, and frankly, i think merrick garland. it's something that should be brought out so that his despite these perilous times, followers and all of these young kids that want to leave various it's not dead. >> not dead at all. countries, including the united david drucker, what are you states, they should see how he died. looking at this week? big events over the weekend but >> no. still everyone will be talking about impeachment. >> admiral, we'll get to the -- >> i think impeachment is going to take over. it will be interesting to see if the death of baghdadi is able to the strategic importance of what quell some of the unrest among we get to, but again, just senate republicans who have been more upset about the president's policy in the middle east than underlining un-american language they have about impeachment. and the sound of tyrants. notwithstanding their concerns >> just where do you begin? about strategy. >> he died like a dog, he died
it will also be interesting to like a coward, whimpering and see, how house democrats continue to push the inquiry and screaming. it's just -- can you please if we're getting to a point explain to maybe three of donald where this is going to come out and we're going to start to see trump's supporters who fist pump more public hearings and public when they hear that, the downside of that and why the 44 interviews. >> david, thanks. american presidents who preceded we can't wait to see what burst him did not talk about comes forth from "the washington casualties on the war, even if examiner" over the next 24 to 48 they were the most heinous casualties like osama bin laden hours. you're on fire. or you name it. thanks, david. greatly appreciate it. our japanese opponents or our jonathan, you have a question for the panel? >> yes. i have a question for benjamin. nazis, why we didn't talk that we've seen, it's been a nonstop parade of witnesses and way. >> or qaddafi in libya, for officials testifying before congress the last couple of example. in every case, joe, the problem weeks. that's going to continue in the coming days. what in particular are you is there's that internal desire to take a victory lap but it's looking for here? you've mentioned that so many of counterproductive. it comes across as the president's defenses have unprofessional. it's spiking the ball in the end crumbled. what sort of testimony could we zone. and here's the real problem. see this week that could wound him even further? it's motivational for the other >> two key questions. side. >> yes, yes. >> some will make an argument the first is, when do witnesses that, oh, it's a deterrent. i don't think so.
i think that that tape will be start testifying in public? played, particularly that image that is, when do we go from the of the dog in the arab world is stage of private depositions so well known as an extremely the stage of public hearings or the release of those evocative, negative, and i think depositions? that will become a recruiting i do think that pivot is coming tool that the islamic state uses relatively soon. on the internet and for the probably not this week. record, i would say they're i'm confident not this week, but better than donald trump. they're managing currently to that's a key shift when it happens. the second thing is the -- you conduct global operations without owning a shred of know, do we hear from territory in ester, after we mr. cooperman and john bolton? took away the caliphate from them, which was another good those are questions that involve accomplishment, they still conducted a massive attack in both the willingness of the individuals to testify but also, sri lanka using the internet to you know, how effectively the white house is able to shut down recruit, proselytize and conduct the operation. they will use this footage to motivate their followers, to recruit more. the testimony of senior as well it's really not how we want to play this. >> well, it is actually on a as white house officials, and much smaller level, it's what state department officials who you call basically press seem willing to buck the
president's order not to clippings from -- for locker rooms where somebody on the other side says something, you cut out the press clippings, you cooperate. put it up and you use it to if we start seeing those people inspire other people. actually give depositions, that and it's something we don't want will be a very important moment. >> and i wanteded to ask dave here. let's go, richard haas, go to about william barr, attorney you and talk about the impact of general obviously has been doing the death. everything he can to cover up for the president of the united and we'll get into some of the states, to drag his feet. other things first. he's conducting extraordinarily obviously, i remember us improper investigations across the globe based on conspiracy being -- celebrating, at least, most americans when zarkowi was theori killed, i believe it was 2006, theories. he's humiliating himself. i'm just curious, how 2007, thinking that the guy that embarrassing was it for barr, how much egg is on barr's face really was the inspiration for isis and of course that just led after this federal judge's to more violent splinter groups. we, of course, all celebrated. ruling? we had our -- on the deck of the >> plenty. missouri moment a little bit calling the doj's arguments a when osama bin laden was killed, farce. they went so far, the judge did, and 2011, and we were all to question the department of justice's internal policy cheering but of course out of that came the rise of isis. against indicting a sitting president. and so, i'm wondering, it's saying that that policy has
never been adopted or approved by any court ever. obviously very important death, that's the get out of jail free but do we make the same mistake card that may have saved the president during the mueller investigation. again that we made in '06, that we made in '11, when we think so, the judge used unusually the death of this one man is going to end the movement that he was so successful in strong. spreading. >> the short answer, joe, is yes. there's no such thing as decapitation when it comes to dealing with terrorists because when whether you call them networks or movements, they're not narrow organizations that are highly structured. we're getting rid of the leadership essentially disables all the fighters. they'll reform. they may splinter. they're very decentralization. they're informality in some ways is a degree of strength. so, i think we've got to keep the accomplishment as meaningful as it is in perspective and more important or just as important, we've got to take a step back and say, are we putting ourselves in a position where we can do this sort of thing again and again as we will need to do and there, i think, the jury's
out or you've got to say it's going to become much more difficult. we're not going to have the forces on the ground collecting the intelligence. we're not going to have partners like the syrian kurds and other kurds who were doing so much. there's still questions about the willingness of this administration to work closely with its own intelligence community. so, again, yesterday was an important day, but we shouldn't exaggerate it and i'm really worried about going forward whether we're going to be able to repeat this because we're going to need to. >> well, this foreign policy achievement, mika, reportedly, almost didn't happen, and it didn't happen because of donald trump's widely criticized foreign policy decision. >> "the new york times" is reporting, citing multiple military and counterterrorism officials, for months, intelligence officials had kept mr. trump apprised of what he had set as a top priority, the hunt for mr. al-baghdadi, the world's most wanted terrorist. but mr. trump's abrupt withdrawal order from the
northeast syria three weeks ago disrupted the meticulous planning under way and forced pentagon officials to speed up the plan for the risky night raid before their ability to control troops, spies, and reconnaissance aircraft disappeared with the pullout. mr. al-baghdadi's death in the raid on saturday, they said, occurred largely in spite of and not because of mr. trump's actions. those actions include allowing the formerly u.s. backed kurds to fend for themselves against the major turkish assault. however, u.s. officials tell e paper that the kurds continue to provide information to the cia on baghdadi's location even after trump's betrayal and the kurds provided more intelligence for the raid than any single country. in a tweet, the kurdish syrian democratic forces call it a five-month joint operation. president trump thanked the kurds after he thanked the
russians. >> i want to thank the nations of russia, turkey, syria, and iraq and i also want to thank the syrian kurds for certain support they were able to give us. >> can you say what role the kurds played in this, generally? >> they gave us not a military role at all but they gave us some information that turned out to be helpful. the kurds. the kurds have worked along incredibly with us but in all fairness, it was much easier dealing with the kurds after they went through three days of fighting because that was a brutal three days. >> david ignacious, we'll let you take it from there. i mean, you obviously know this region. you've been there several times. and you just have to look at what happened and i'm sure you know this better than any of us, that heroes were once again the kurds who did quite a bit more than what donald trump said from all reports, and also our special forces, our u.s. troops, men and women in uniform over there. you've seen them.
they are the best that there is. >> well, joe, mika, let's start there. the soldiers who do these operations, the special operations forces drawn primarily from the army but also from other services, are just the best fighting force in the world. they operate just at a tempo in locations that are difficult in a way that nobody else can. they also work well with other partner nations, which typically don't want to be disclosed, but it's been widely reported that france and britain have some forces that have done similar operations. since the beginning of this war, going back to 2014, our special operations forces have conducted basically nightly attacks on isis targets. they have killed in the thousands, probably tens of thousands, using drones, jet fighters overhead, other means
of attack, just steady, relentless degradation of this enemy. all along, the effort was to target al-baghdadi, the leader, and one of the ironies of the operation that was announced yesterday by the president is it had to be speeded up because of the consequences of his, in many people's view, hasty pullout of u.s. forces from syria. i'm told by my forces it was days or weeks that they had to get this done because we were losing our platforms. we were losing our ability to do an operation of this sophistication. so, you know, that's one irony. a second is, the syrian kurds, so-called syrian democratic forces, continued to act in close partnership with the united states even after we had announced effectively a betrayal of them, leaving them to their enemies, the turks, see you later, charlie. even then, they continued to
provide the kind of intelligence and other support that made this operation possible. so, it's just a rare partnership. you just have to be thankful for people who even when they have, in effect, gotten kicked, still are willing to help you out. final point that i would make and you made it earlier, but the tone of president trump's remarks, this is a great day for everybody involved in this raid, and president trump made some tough decisions, hats off to him for that, but to call his adversaries and say they died like a dog, that kind of language, it is inflammatory but it's so in contrast to what president obama said in his brief, fairly dry nine-minute account of the killing of is a ma -- osama bin laden. there's a fascinating passage in a book by ben rhodes in which ben asked, would you like to display more footage of bin
laden's body, his burial, et cetera, and he turned to him and said, we are not going to spike the football. used the exact phrase. so in this case you had more of that taking credit, spiking the football, it may come back to hurt us, but in all, this was an operation where we had incredible support. >> still ahead on "morning joe," we've heard some of the reaction from washington, but what's the response in iraq to the death of the isis leader? nbc's courtney is there and joins us with her reporting next on "morning joe." us with her ret on "morning joe. i'm your cat. ever since you brought me home, that day. i've been plotting to destroy you. sizing you up... calculating your every move. you think this is love? this is a billion years of tiger dna just ready to pounce.
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sitting president of the united states. another mark up hearing tomorrow morning which is expected. the imminent impeachment on the house floor of president trump. i want to bring in our correspondent, i believe we have garret headache aake on the hil his first appearance here on the hill. we have seen you a lot garret. we have some folks looking at that hearing, you have been looking at impeachment. speaker pelosi has telegraphed a narrow case that could be pushed through judiciary, our colleague geoff bennett did not see the democrats splintering or holding other amendments here. they want to get this through you kn unified. what does your reporting show about that? >> that's right. we have been starting to put the pieces together on a senate trial which is mostly fan
fiction of what you have been hearing about it that both sides speculated of what it looks like. we heard from mitch mcconnell yesterday afternoon saying they'll wait until the new year getting it started. it will push all businesses aside including the senate taking up usca for the white house. what i am hearing from republican lawmakers including senators and some house members close to the president that the president is probably not going to get what he wants which is a big show on the senate floor with witnesses call. the president wants adam schiff and hunter biden and the whistleblower. there is not much an appetite for that. to come over to present the case. then you would have votes and you would have a vote to dismiss
a vote up or down on the charges or vote to go foreign witnesses. republicans may want to see president's witnesses to be called to be possible to have defense witnesses essentially in this case and not the prosecuti prosecution. mike pompeo and rudy giuliani himself perhaps could be called republican senators do not want to see that fight. if there is one thing that animates -- you are hearing members including lindsey graham and mark meadows, advisor to the president, let's wrap it up as soon as possible. republicans assuming that the president is exonerated at this point, they make the argument let's do it fast.
i suppose that could change the holida holidays. >> any republican senators or staffs are concerned of donald trump of the statement they made, defense's case are harder? >> it is possible. the reality here is the idea there would be 20 republican senators who would defect anything the president says now is unlikely, right? you have to think if you stood by the president this long and if you decided after this much coverage public testimony of the facts in the ukraine case setting aside of the elements of the mueller report which is not included here. what's going to make you change your mind now? is there another tweet, 6,000 others didn't? >> i am not talking about the
vote counting. the case, you mention if they don't want to get ugly, it would seem that the president not publicly admitted that his corrupt goal of targeting arrivals rather than saying foreign policy of security. it may have been a better position. i want to tell viewers we are keeping an eye on chairman graham who's explaining some notes about his coming hearing and bringing senator cornyn in it. >> i want to join my colleagues and thanking you in your professional staff for the outstanding work that you have done. this got to be one of the hardest jobs in government to be impartial watchdog and pull government agencies and justice accountable. i want you to know how much we appreciate your work and your team's work. leadership of the fbi of the last administration and the way
they mishandled this counter intelligence investigation, i think the ranking filing agents in the fbi and their colleagues committee to know we are there for them and support them in the faithful thinks charge of responsibiliti responsibilities. i would like to think there is no more supporter of our law enforcement agencies or intelligence committee. i believe general hayden when he wrote his book about the cia, it is called "plain to the edge," it is not over the line but up to the edge in the interest of our national security. that makes it important for us to rule out illegality and
exercise authorities are given to our intelligence community. let me ask you a little bit about that. because i can't think of anything more damaging to the intelligen intelligence committee, the doj of what you have uncovered in this 400 page report than what we have seen here. it really is troubling. can i ask you, the surveillance court as you have pointed out considers the application of a foreign intelligence surveillance for a warrant by the fbi working with the national security division of the department of justice, do you believe that the court knew what you know now that it would ever issued the warpt rant in t first place? >> we are careful of not predicted of what the judges do.
i know they would not sign a warrant if they were told not all relevant information included. >> or if they were lied to. >> do you know if the court would consider this matter? >> if they have the report or a follow-on letter from the department about this matter. >> i hope they'll not let this pass because this behave, this illegality and this deception becomes a routine. i agree with senator graham that it will be the end of authorities that congress granted which is very damaging to our national security. >> the surveillance act includes
the word surveillance obviously and you can't surveil an american citizen for intelligence services except under special eyes and exact circumstances, would you agree with that? >> that's correct. >> the rights given to the constitution are laid out in the bill of rights among other places and there is a more higher standard with giving a warrant, let's say to wiretap or investigation in american citizen then it would be foreign agents. >> the whole exception here which authorizes surveillance of mr. page was based on some proof or some indication or suspicion, he was an agent of a foreign power, correct? >> they have probable cause that he was an agent of a foreign power. >> they got incomplete and
misleading information in that process. >> the court got inaccurate and incomplete information. >> what's the difference between surveillance and spying? >> well, surveillance and the term that i am going to use in the report is what's in the law. >> you don't like the vernacu r vernacular? >> i am going to stick as what we do as igs and stick to the law. >> to my mind there is no difference, although it is legally authorized. it is an act of covert intelligence gathering to hear a foreign power. let me ask you about the defensive briefing. you explain in response to senator graham's questions, i
believe some point during the last few year, i remember the attorney general said, defensive briefings were routine and counter intelligence investigation, would you agree with that? >> i frankly don't have enough experience on the national security site to tell you one way or another. >> i heard that being said but i don't know specifically. >> you don't have any reasons to disagree. >> no reason to disagree. >> if they are routine, attorney general lynch is correct, the decision by the head of the division of the fbi not to provide an extensive defensive briefing to candidate trump and his campaign would be unusual. >> if it is usual then it is not doing it. it would be unusual. >> what was more unusual is the fact when the director of national intelligence went to
provide what turned out to be a briefing to the trump campaign lasting about 13 minutes, i think you indicated in your report. that they had implanted into that group, an agent, an fbi agent that was part of the investigative team for across fire hurricane. >> the agent, there was one fbi agent there and they chose the agent from the intelligence investigation. >> instead of their mission to provide candidate trump and campaign to arm them with information so that they can prevent the russians from infiltrating their campaign, this briefing such as it was had a duo purpose. the agent it says on page 342 of your report prepared himself going through mock briefings, headed by stroke and lisa page and the general counsel unit
chief, correct? >> that's correct. >> this was not just an accidental sort of thing. there were plans made for the ajept to go in as part of this defensive briefing and perhaps get general flynn to offer information that may be helpful to the fbi in their investigation. >> it was duo purposes, one was to see if anything was said in response to the briefing that would be useful for cross fire hurricane but also agents told us for future interviews of mr. flynn. >> so mr. flynn was clearly the target. >> he was the three people there from the trump campaign from the only one of the three about whom who was a subject of the fbi investigation. >> he was not told that he was
under investigation or the ajget was there hoping to bait him or providing krcriminology -- >> he certainly was not told it is a duo purpose investigation. >> you pointed out this will never happen again, is that what you said? >> that's correct. >> are you familiar with the fact that director comey had a meeting with president trump january 2017 to talk to him about the steele dossier. >> i am and we referenced that of the report of him handling the memos. >> why do we believe director
comey so-called defensive briefing of the president, was there anything more than in an attempt to abate the president and be useful to the fbi and counter intelligence and some future investigation. >> as mentioned earlier, one of the concerns doing that here is that it leaves open the possibility that people may ask it may happen elsewhere. >> it strikes me, it fought with danger just like it was for general flynn for the director to go in the white house, the oval office and the white house not to tell the president that anything he says could be used against him in an ongoing investigation including criminal charges. i agree with the chairman. if this is going to happen to a presidential candidate or the president of the united states,
what kind of protection the average american citizens have that their government won't erase this vast power against them and essentially ruin their lives. to me that's a profound concern as a result of your investigation. >> thank you, mr. chairman. picking up on that. i have been joining senator lee for year talking about this court. we have ample record here. internal fbi revealed dozens of in accuracies provided by the court. the list goes on and on. let's haves the future of the fizor court and the reputation. >> mr. hardwick thank you for being here. the chairman gave an
uncharacteristic opening and went on for 40 minutes and produced lent thigthy e-mails. when i read your summary, you didn't find either of them to be in charge, did you? >> on this investigation, we did not. >> when it comes to expletives, on page 339 in the report found some agents of the fbi who had opposite viewpoints and positive towards candidate trump and open on their expertists to demonstrate that. >> we are in a different field office. >> we don't believe anyone in
the capacity with life-changing decision like every single day should be so politically bias to call into question of their values and character. >> that's correct and i made this point last year when this issue came up. individual of the usjustice department. they can't go tie their personal use to theirnvestigative. >> that's one of the things you sheared with director wray. >> correct. >> the chairman made a point talking about the fact that the trump campaign was not notified of this ongoing investigation until a much later day after been initiated. >> and i would just say be careful what you wish for. there are those of us who looked at the james comey, october 28th, public declaration of the hillary clinton investigation as
being deadly in terms of the outcome of this election. there is a notion of the fbi publicizing investigations and making it known to many people can cut both ways. it is good to know them, i am sure. you run the risk as more people come to know it, it becomes a public knowledge, is that an issue? >> we wrote a report about that, concerns of what the director did in that regard and you want to control the information and make sure the only people need to know it. >> did the chairman's opening suggested a bias in this instance with the fbi and others against donald trump that he believes those manifest in many things have followed. i can argue from our side of the table, we can finds bias including comey staples before the election, really had many in our points of view determines the outcome. >> let me go back to rudy
giuliani. here is something during the 2016 campaign, rudy giuliani was trump's campaign surrogate. bragged about having access to information of the investigation. he teesased in september that a surprise is coming. >> rudy giuliani says and i quote. i expected this, did i hear about it? you are darn right i heard about it." >> how could we be dealing with those kinds of statements that long ago and still not have some evolution. if i remember right, one of comey's rational, is public announcement was, i could not do it through the new york office. has there been no investigation of this? >> as i mention last year when we released our report on the clinton e-mail investigation, we were looking at that question
and the challenge as i mentioned back then and i will mention it again proving who spoke to whom and when based on the record of the fbi and understanding there is rarely going to be submiss e information we'll get. we are trying to follow-up and continue to do that. we issued two reports so far about findings we have of leaks and misconduct. we have extradition ongoing. >> are there any concerns that mr. rudy giuliani is continuing to obtain information and sources of law enforcement. >> i am not going to speak to what we have learned or what we
know about our ongoing investigation and i am not investigating matters related to the ongoing ukraine issues that i can do referencing. >> let me ask if i ccan ask question about problems within this case as it relates to the treatment of individuals who are engaged and i am thinking particularly of ongoing questions about whether or not -- in your conclusion that he was not a russian agent. did not have important context that were not in the best interest of the united states with the russian leadership? >> i am not in position to assess that. what i can say access is looking
at the evidence that the fbi put forward to the court, significant number of pieces of that evidence do not support their theory. they're the experts and not me. >> could we speak to the steele dossier. i believe you had a standard statement about what impact that steele file had on the initiation of this investigation. what was your conclusion? >> in toeerms of initiation, it had no impact. it was not known to the team that opened the investigation the time they opened it. you concluded several different ways of no evidence of political influence but the opening of this hurricane investigation, is that correct? >> correct. >> on the reform issue, let me
get there later. one thing that's interesting here and he introduced the bill which would give the inspector again general's office to investigate in the department. right nous thatw it is not corr under the law. >> it was not. >> back in 1988 when the ig created the justice, the compromise was attorneys would be carved out. so as the fbi and da at the time. after the audrey james spy scandal, attorney ash changed out and gave us the authority of da and congress codyfied it in
2002. we are the only ig can't view conduct of all the employees including attorneys. >> he has the authority to do that. this statue in change took that away. >> mr. chairman, i hope you are considering that. >> thank you for your service. >> thank you, i will go to senator sass. 30 second s here. >> has anybody been charged with working with the russians illegally working with the russians that were part of the trump campaign that you were apart of. >> not that i know of. >> thank you very much mr. chairman. i find the conclusion that some have raised, your report, m
missister, exonerate the fbi in this matter. to the point that it makes me wonder whether those were making this argument read the same report that we are talking about today. perhaps, you are talking about a different report? there is no planet on which i think this report indicates that things were okay within the fbi and in connection of this investigation. they were not and stunningly, former fbi james comey took to the pages of "the washington post" to declare that this report, your report shows the fbi fulfilled its mission protecting the american people and upholding the u.s. constitution. i don't understand that. i find it absolutely stunning that he would reach that conclusion. >> this is nonsense. >> i don't care where you sit on
the political spectrum, if you are a politicians or a non poll traditions or a liberal or civic center park. regardless of your age. you should be deeply concerned about what's in your report. >> is report a scathing indictment of the fbi, o f the agents that were involved and i want to be clear about that. the fbi is an institution that has a long history of respect in this country. as a federal prosecutor, i work with the fbi, i am so concerned by your reporting and findings. i think this really damages that. there is a lot of who in this
country that comes not just from the fbi being good but also understood to be good. the behavior out lined in your report is at a minimum. so negligence, i would say so reckless that it calls into question the legitimacy of the entire fizor program. i don't say it likely. i question the program and how it could be abused but this really pushes us over the edge. i will get back to that in a minute. >> the report includes that the report ecologist did not find documentary on the part of the case's agents who were involved in investigating the trump
campaign. the report goes onto call the conduct of the agents and the supervisors involved to be quote, "serious performance failure." which you noted were failures for which you did not receive a satisfaction explanation. is that right? >> correct. this >> this is the failure that jim comey considered a fulfilled mission, protecting the constitutional rights of the american people? i think not. this is simply not good enough.
maybe it is not good enough for mr. comey, it is not good enough for the american people. every american should be terrified by this report. the fbi team that investigated the trump campaign as was as been pointed out hand picked. it was not the case that they would just pick any ordinary investigators to investigate a presidential campaign especially the presidential campaign of one of the two major party nominees. it is in the report which is the most sensitive fbi investigation is agents were supposed to be the best of the best. we would not expect anything less of that. they were supposed to be the highest character and professionalism and committing in protecting civil liberties of all americans. our privacy is not at odds with our security.
we can't be secure, unless our privacy is guaranteed. our republican form of government is i mperial. we are faced with two possibilities. either one, the fbi agents purposely use the power of the federal government to wage a political war against a presidential candidate they despise or these agents were so incompetent that they allow a paid foreign political operative to weapon size the vizer
program. they're both horrifying for slightly different reasons. now the fact that you said there was a cause of connection between them, if there was a sonic -- a causal change was besides the point. they made their bias clear and they went after someone in part because they did not like his candidacy and that's unexcusable. the report in the fbi, abuse. i believe it is long standing abuse or inevitably abuse and
the. >> should it not be a tremendous surprise for us. >> men were angels, they would not need a government. if we had access to angels to govern us, we would not rules. we are not angels, we don't have access to angels to govern us. we have to have checks and balances to make sure no one entity gets too much power and added to those checks and balances. we have the fourth amendment, we have things that are there to protect us. >> i believe for some time as been noted earlier in the hearing and i have teamed up with people at the opposite end of the political idealogical .
i observed in the senate, i believe these programs are subject to abuse. i have been warning for years that inevitably, it will result in abuse. it is not a question of "if" but when. how soon will government officials get caught doing it. it surprises me in some ways that took us this long. again, that's what happens. when you take a standard that's malleable that requires virtually no public accountability, you render all but a small handful of intelligence committee lawmakers in the house and in the senate, you render all citizens other than them and the intel committee themselves. ineligible to review their work and then you make it possible for them to gather information,
this kind of thing is of course going to happen. it is never not going to happen and that scares me to death. >> now, inspector general, you stated several times in your opening statement and response to question that you did not find documentary testimonial evidence of bias that influenced the fbi's decision to conduct these operations. but, is not the lack of evidence that you are talking about, itself is evidence of bias? is it the lack of evidence on bias? evidence that we should take as bias but in any event, it is not in itself indicative that no bias occurred. is that correct? >> as to the opening which is in a different place than the fisa
issue that you identified and i talked about it earlier, i think it is different situations. on the fisa side, we found as you noted a lack of documentary of intentionality, we notice the lack of satisfaction and leaving open the possibilitity for the reasons you indicated. it is unclear what the motivations were. on the one happened, gross, incompetence and negligence. my point is your lack of evidence here is not evidence that there was no bias. >> it is solely correct on the actual evidence that we have. thank you very much. >> you did make a finding of that question, did you not?
i direct you to page 14 of the summary. management and supervisery that were not particular to this case but epidemic. >> on the fisa side? >> it raises significant questions of management and supervision of the process. you then go onto describe as a failure of managers and supervisors. >> right. >> and you go onto say your remedy as an oig audit not only of this case but of other case. >> so you actually make a finding about this is you attribute a failure here and
supervision that can well go on particular case. >> you make no finding that it was attributable to deep state or conspiracy or any such motivation. we make no findings, we explain in there that we did not have document testimony evidence that it was intentional and we point out the lack of satisfaction explanations and from there, i can't try any further conclusions. other than you do, what you go with is there is a failure of management and supervision over this complicated process that needs to be prepared from top to bottom. what's the timeline on the attorney general getting notice on this report. how long did it take for when he fe first saw this or credit this to
the department of justice. we first provided the draft for classification marking purposes right at the beginning of september. so he and his team got it for well over a month. we got it back with them with the markings and did normal process in a classified review and incorporated the markings and produced back. >> the director of the fb fbi -- time frame? >> same exact time frame. >> he complimented you on professionalism and he accepts the report findings. >> correct. >> with plenty of time to review it. >> correct. >> then we get to mr. durham. did he have access to this report at the same period of time? >> no, we did fot ginot give it him. it was for classification purposes. he had no reason to see it. >> we were careful as to who could see it and who could not.
the department keep list of who could see it or could not. he was not on the list. we provided to him in the november as part of our factual accuracy. >> november when, do you remember? >> i could check, it was probably roughly mid november. >> are you familiar of whattest under taking at all. he notes that he does not agree with some of your report conclusion of how the fbi case was opened. what information do you think he has access to that you did not have access to? >> i have no idea. >> when you look at director wray's letter, he says his organization, the fbi provided broad and timely access to all information, requested by the oag including highly classified
and sensitive materials and accepts -- i am trying to figure out where the world of evidence exists about predication that you diplomat have access to and that fbi director wray would not have access to. where could john durham be doing where you have access to or director wray has access to. >> you have to ask the attorney general. is there some area of evidence that you are aware of that you did not get access to? >> i did not. >> i have no idea and i could
not say. >> going overseas. >> no idea, you have to talk with him. predication involves a threshold, did it not? when you hit your threshold, more evidence does not take it away, correct? >> correct. >> em also trying to figure out how it ends that even if he has more evidence that you did not have that takes away from the conclusion that the predication was adequate. >> you have to ask the attorney general that. >> you can't think of a way to get there? >> i don't know, we standby our findings. >> you describe serious performance failures in the pride of process. those are likely to lead to
disciplinary action or sanctions by the court to be considered for those things, correct? >> you have a chance to defend themselves. that goes to the department, the core or any entities that m may -- >> so we may find more if those process go forward in that content. >> now, let's look at the intelligence briefing. at the time of that intelligence briefing, what did the fbi know about how far russian interests have penetrated in to the trump campaign. i don't know as i sit here. we were looking at the origins of these four cases. >> the fbi clearly knew there was an investigation going on.
>> we laid out here of some of what they knew. >> he was associated with the trump campaign. >> correct. >> they knew and had an investigation going on in to michael flynn at the time? >> correct. >> did you know if they knew about the trump tower meeiting two months before the intelligence meeting? >> i don't know one way or another. >> going into it would be reasonable to expect the fbi did not then know how far russian penetration ended the trump campaign. >> i had no idea what stage the investigation was at that point in time. i had no reason to doubt what you were saying. >> there was no way they could rule out that people present of the intelligence briefing on behalf of the trump campaign may have been involved in the operation? >> i have no knowledge. all i know as to that is they had the investigation into mr.
flynn. >> they could not rule out when he was in that briefing, potential participant in the matter they were looking into. >> it was bigger than the pieces we were looking at. i can't sit here to tell you what else the fbi may or may have not known at the time. >> while we can agree that, p putting, cross fire hurricane agents into the intelligence briefing of the trump campaign may have been over aggressive for the fbi to be in that intelligence briefing would be perfectly appropriate, correct? >> in fact absolutely perfect to be there. that was the debate to go on internally fbi which is what to do. they never discuss it with anyone at the department.
>> maybe i should not have been in that briefing. >> intelligence purposes. >> for intelligence purposes. and it also would have been appropriate for across fire hurricane agent to have debrief the fbi agent at the intelligence briefing to see if michael flynn have sent anything relevant to the investigation. it was information potentially relevant to the investigation, was it not? depending what occur there, you could foresee a hypothetical. it raises series of policy questions, the fbi director needs to sort through and understand leadership of the department. that briefing and those briefings are for purposes of protecting campaigns and to allow transitions to occur. >> it was an unusual circumstance. the subject of the fbi
investigation. >> that's correct but it raises -- >> we should not draw the condition collusion that there is no way the fbi should be given access to evidence that arises in the context of the intelligence briefing related to counter intelligence. >> that'll be up to director wray as we in sporespond. >> thank you. the january meeting with the primary sub source, the russian guy who provided information, was there department of the justice official at that meeting? >> yes, let me clarify on that, the people present were primer sub source, his lawyer, the hurricane people and for parts of the interview, lawyers from
the division, they were there not knowing the background necessarily, they were there because the primary sub source has a lawyer. the fbi wanted a lawyer there. >> we are big on the fbi, department of justice, they were in the room, too? >> they were in the room but the reason we -- there is a number of instances with people getting dri drive-by and somebody tries to tag you something. >> fair enough. >> chairman. >> can i just close? >> one point from page 341. the fbi, mr. baker, holds the ig in the report as saying the agent in that investigation briefing, quote "was not there to induce anybody to say
anything, he was not there to do an under cover operation or elicit some type of testimony." >> thank you. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i would like to start by taking the opportunity to thank you and the men and women who are gathered here. the work that you have done and the inspector general office is incredibly important. this is a 434 page report that lays out what i call a stunning indictment of the fbi and department of justice of any pattern of babusive of power. i would say the department of justice and the fbi have had principle professionals with the fidelity of the rule of law.
this indictment, i am an alumnus, it makes me angry. it should make them angry as well. the press have focused on your conclusion that you did not find evidence of political bias. that's a judgment you have, i disagree with that judgment. i think that judgment is in many ways the least significant component of this report. the facts that are in this report needs to be understood or deeply chilling to anyone who understands the facts in this report and people can draw inference as to why that pattern of abuse occurs? >> do you agree with that in. >> the purpose of this report is to lay out the facts for the public and everybody can debate and decide what they think this information is. i absolutely agree.
so this 434 page report, outlines 17 major errors and misstaples that were made by the fbi or the doj insecuring fisa warnings. a number of them are deeply troubling. f them are deeply troubling.
was what is referred to in your report as the interviewed that prime sorr so that is the basis of this dossier. what did the primary sub source say as the oig report says, interviews with the primary sub source raised, quote, significant questions about the reliability of the steele reporting. what did the sub source say specifically as your report says, it says steele misstated orst exaggerated multiple sectis of the reporting. it says portions of it particularly the more salacious portions were based on rumor and speculation. it says that some of the basis of that came from conversations with, quote, friends over beers and statements that were made in, quote, jest.
and the primary sub source also says to take the other sub sources, quote,th with a grain salt. the fbira had that information, knew that the basis of this dossier wassi saying it is unreliable and what did the fbi anddi doj do in renewal application number two and number three, the fbi advised the court, quote, the fbi found the russian based sub source to be truthful and cooperative with zero revisions. you note that as the most significant misstatement and that is going in front of a court of law, relying on facts that you know are unreliable without any basis. that was the number one. >> yeah. >> the number two major error in the applications was omitting carter page's prior relationship. we now have evidence that carter
page functioned as a source for a united states intelligence agency. that is a pretty darn important fact. if you are telling the fisa court, hey, the fact that this guy carter page, who i don't know this guy, but the fact that he is talking to russians really suspici suspicious the that can't that he is serving asic a source for intelligence agents is pretty darn relevant. we haveda a lot of sources that are talking to bad guys. and when you don't tell the court that, you are deceiving the court. but it is worse than just deceiving the court. because as the oig report details, an assistant general counsel in the fbi altered an email, fabricating evidence. reading from the report, specifically the words am not a source had been inserted into
the email. that email then was sent on to the officials responsibility to making the decisionof to go forward and as the report says from page 256, final paragraph, consistent with the inspector general act of 1978 and following oig's recovery that the ogc attorney had altered the email that he sent to the supervising agent who thereafter relied on to swear out the fifi fisa application. so a lawyer at the fbi, alters an email, that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement to the court that the court relies on. am i stating that accurately? >> that is correct, that is what occurred. >> and you have worked in law
enforcement a long time. is the pattern of a department of justice employee altering evidence and submitting fraudulent evidence that ultimately gets submitted to a course, is that common place, is that typical? >> i have not seen an alteration of an email end up impacting a court document like this. >> in any ordinary circumstance, if a private zitd dcitizen did this -- and it wasn't just slightly wrong. it was 180 degree wrong of what the evidence said. he assert this had guy is not a source. if a private citizen did that in any law enforcement investigation, if theyt fabricated evidence and reversed what it said, in your experience would that private citizen be prosecuted for b fabricating evidence and be progsz cuted e
obstruction of justice and perjury? >> they would be considered for that if there was an intentional evident. onti this one i will defer becae we noticed that we referred to the attorney general fbi for handling. >> third major omission that the department of justice and the fbi did not tell the court is that this entire operation was funded by the dnc, was funded by the hillary clinton campaign and by democrat, it was an on that poe o research dump. the most effective in history because the department of justice and fbi but pwere happye hatchet men. and they did not inform the fisa court that this is being paid for by the dnc and the hillary clinton? >> that is a not in any of the
fisa plisksapplications. >> and it is not like doj didn't know. indeed one of the senior department officials bruce ohr, his wife worked at fusion gps the company being paid by the dnc, and he became the principal liaison with steele without telling anyone at the department of justice that he was essentially workingpa on behalff the clinton campaign. whoai at the department of justice -- and by the way, several democrats, interesting seeing democratic senators ti wanting want ing defend this abuse of power. senator feinstein said the fbi didn't play spies in the trump campaign. senator leahy said something similar. not spies in the trump campaign, but reading from page four of the executive summary, your report says that there after the
crossfire hurricane team used the intrusive techniques including confidential human sources to interact and consensually record multiple conversations with page and papadopoulous both before and after they were working for the trump campaign as well as on one occasion with a high level trump campaign official who was not the subject of the investigation. so they didn't play spies in the campaign, but they sent spy senior levels of the campaign in the middle of the campaign when that was the nominee to the opposing party to the one in power. >> they sent confidential sources into do thouse. >> who at doj noe about this, did the attorney general, the white house? >> based on what we found, nobody had beenas told in advan. >> but once it was hatching, did they know? >> the only evidence that somebody knew were the attorney
in the national security division when they were told very selective portions. nobody noouf beforehand. nobody had been h. briefed. and that was one of the most concerning thingsas here, nobod needed to be hold. >> anded i can tell you from my time at the department of justice and in law enforcement, any responsible leader when hearing that you are talking about sending in spies and a wiretap on any presidential nominee should say what in the hell are we doing. and by the way the people up the chain who are saying we didn't know if you had responsible leadership, there is no more important decision than you make. i can tellim you when i was at gchlt och doj, if someone said let's tap bill clinton or john kerry, the people would have said what in the held are you talking about temperature this was jason bourne. this wason beavis and butthead.
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