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And theres no debate that if folks are uncometed. >> the department of homeland security, they put together a list of cities that limit the cooperation with with i.c.e. so, whats the standing there? do you think thats an intimidation tactic? >> thats absolutely what it is. its a name and shame tactic. when you look through the risk and what landed many jurisdiction, counties, jails or cities on that list, i mean, some of the actions are very frivolous, for example, providence is on that list. iv...